Hawks 103, Bobcats 87

Correcton: “What will Teague have to do to be able to earn 20+ minutes a game?”

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Free Jordan Crawford

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I am very pleased that the guys got their act together enough to win against the Bobcats in Charlotte. They have had our number for some time and this just shows the guys do have the pride and professionalism to come out and do better.

I saw where some pointed out that both the Celtics and the Spurs loss last night against teams they should have beat. The Celtics lost by 2 and the Spurs loss by 14. If the Hawks had loss by either of those margins I am certain you would not have seen the rants from the others on the blog, including MC. I have seen a few more records that were broken by that loss including the most ever in NBA history with a team 10 games over .500. You don’t just brush something like that aside. We had the worst loss in margins in NBA playoff history in last year’s playoffs and our loss against NOH was the worst in ATL francise history. You are sticking your head in the sand if you say that is just one loss. Decent, well-built, well-coached teams don’t lose like that. There is something fundmentally wrong with our team’s structure. In a way, I don’t want to blow up the team and start over. But, there has to be a major change and the longer we wait the harder it is going to be to fix it.

I do echo the sentiments of many in what is so wrong with Jeff Teague that he does not get the time to develop and mature. I fear that he is going to be traded and end up on a team that will develop him and use his talents. You have only to point to Boris Diaw to see how once he left the team how he has been. Think about what it would be like for him to be anchoring the small forward spot now. Or Al Harrington for that matter.

I don’t think that most people jumped off the band wagon as much as demonstrated their disgust for a poor performance by highly paid athletes. They will be back and cheering for their team. Let’s hope the team really gives them something to cheer about.

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My take is that coach Drew is taking the short term view and seeking seeking to build is resume with regular season wins at the expense of developing his younger players. I believe this to be the root cause of Josh Powell incident Friday night which lead to his suspension.The Hawks bench players are getting fustrated with Drew’s lack of a clear substition pattern after this late in the season. I noticed that no matter how well they play in a game, it is usually followed up with a ” DNP coach’s decision. This type of nonsense is enough to fustrate anyone. What coach Drew needs to understand is that with this team, he will be judged by what this team does in the playoffs and they will never take the next step without adequate development of the bence players. In this regard, coach Drew is too much like his fomer boss.

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drmaryb,

you make a good point about Teague. He is a combo guard that has a broke jumper and that is why he isnt getting minutes. If he could somehow be able to hit a jump shot he would be in the rotation. He is at best an earl boykins type of guard. He should look to pattern his game after Ty Lawson because he does have speed.

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How do you not play Teague in a blowout game, Larry?

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Congrats to the Hawks for their rebound last night. If anyone needed a game to redeem themselves, it was the core. They hit their 2nd half shots and took Charlotte and the crowd out of the game.
Was MJ at the game last night? I didnt’ see the whole game, but he sure has been quiet lately. Has he been a success as an owner so far?

DMB, remember who our basketball expert, BK, brought in for pre-draft workouts in 2006? Randy Foye and Rondo….this link here says that Shell was going to be up close as well, but I thought we drafted Shell without any visit.

http://hotlantahawks.com/2006/06/predraft-report.html

How about real laugh looking back? Guess who NBAdraft.net compared Rondo to one week before the draft? Our very own Mooooooooooooooookie!
And Rondo was a teammate of Smoove at Oak Hill….

BK would probably still be here had he made the right decision and Woody would have actually developed a PG while he was here. So far, Woody and LD aren’t interested in developing a PG.

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What are the exact rules for waiving a player? If they were released, how does it affect us in picking up replacements before Feb 24th?

I just hate to see kids who don’t fit, missing their chance while other players who do fit get dealt.

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Youm mean the Hawks win without Horford. We always win without Marvin and Powell. Wtf?

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Damn! Hornets beat the Spurs by 20+

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I personally don’t believe that Drew has not errored – “To Error is Human” says the Good Book! I have never personally bashed the Coach nor the players and I for one, NEVER will. But, I will criticize decisions and bad plays made by the team. There is a fundamental difference in that approach from name calling and out right personal attacks. I will NEVER wish a man to be fired, that is not my role as a fan. These people have feelings too.

Proper blame has to be placed on the behavior of the Owners, GM first and foremost. If the product has been supplied with everything it needs to be successful, then I will begin to blame them as well. Until then, can’t you all agree? The Team has got needs? And, they have NOT been met?

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cp

Nice post. I agree Teague is still very intriguing. I have not given up on him yet.
His time will come, he has to stay humble and ready, the fans have to be a little more patient.

We may not agree with everything Woodson and Drew does/did/do, but I think they did the best to their abilities. That’s all anyone can really do, really.

You can’t win without great players, there is a lot of talent in the NBA.
The best in the whole wide world, actually. It’s not as easy as college, only 30-60 college players are drafted from hundreds/thousands?

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what do all the teague supporters see in teague? i see no potential in him whatsoever, he has no sense of basketball IQ

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Drmaryb. Teagues time will never come the way we are using him

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ILL-logical — your post certainly lives up to your handle. Joe Johnson won the game last night and you want to nitpick about two plays…

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ATL FAN,

In my mind, Teague has not unseated Bibby from the starting role, nor has he played well when he is in the game with Jamaal. He defers to Jamaal so why have him out there? It is reasonable, from that standpoint, that Teague is planted on the bench receiving more DNP’s than assists.

However, as we all know, defense wins in the playoffs. And Bibby/Jamaal are not assets on the defensive end of the floor. Furthermore, speed don’t slump. If Teague is able to keep the opposing pg from driving into the lane at will simply because he is quick as a cat, then I don’t care so much about his offense.

We all witnessed that Teague’s got some talent going back the the Boston game, but after he played so well he was relegated to the bench where he has been planted ever since.

All the talk about Teague is not because we are Teague grouppies, rather it is because we know that the point guard position is a major weakness waiting to be exploited. WE WANT ANSWERS. Our frustration is fueled by Coach Drew’s equivocation.

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Last yr, we lost a total of14 gms to injuries, while this yr we’ve lost a total of 40gms to injuries, and it’s only mid season. Yet, we’re only 1gm behind last yrs won/loss total. Why are we having so much more success winning on the road, and in back to back gms, than in previous yrs? Well, a lot of it has to do with us having an actual half court OFF, which really makes a difference on the road in closed gms. Our success in back to backs is likely due to players, especially our top 6 players, not having to manage their energy levels during gms due to being fatigued from being required to play too many mins.

In the past, we had major difficulty even competing against Orlando. Now we’ve improved enough to not only be competitive against them, but lead them 2-1 in this yrs series, with a win in Orlando. To be able to consistently win closely contested gms on the road will make us stronger and help prepare us for the playoffs. This yr we’re scoring fewer pts in the paint, and it’s due to us running less. With a far more productive halfcourt OFF system, we’re getting more open scoring opportunities in our half court OFF, which will also serve us well come playoff time. We only need to work harder on our half court DEF.

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“Why does Joe continue to get a pass on his less than stellar play like last night’s botching of a 3 on 1 fast break with a lazy ,ill timed pass, followed by a lazy pass under the basket when he couldn’t get his shot off? The return of iso Joe seems to timed more to influence an All Star selection than team goals(?)” ILL-Logical .

C’mon Man!

Does he make some bad plays at times? Sure. But JJ is averaging 25 pts, 5 assists and 4 rebounds per game in January.

All Star goal or not, don’t you think the Hawks are happy that he is playing at an all-star level, even if there is more ISOs mixed in?

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“You show me a young PG that fails in the NBA, and I’ll show you a guy that is not a leader.” Northcyde .

Mateen Cleaves from Michigan State is one guy that comes to mind.

But I do share similar concerns about Teague’s leadership. I remember during summer league when Teague said he would just give up the ball to somebody else, because that’s what he would do during the regular season anyway.

And that’s not what you want to hear from a guy who is supposed to be a PG and a team leader in the making.

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* To clarify, Mateen Cleaves failed in the NBA, although he was a very good leader who led his college team to a title.

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I don’t see any reason for us to prove That Teaguer is bad.
Personally, I like the kid. What we need to do is have faith
in LD to do his job. He may use stats, practice evaluation,
intuition, or he may just have an eye for what he wants.
nonetheless he has chosen to handle Jeff in this manner.
LD has shown to this point to be more than competent.
He appears to have the ear of the ones who count, from Joe
on down. I for one am very pleased with the team. I only wish
for Rick Sund to do his job and reinforce the troops.

I forgot to mention this in my earlier post:
When handling the players LD has no obligation to play anyone.
The players are being paid regardless. He’s the Coach, they report
for work and then follow his instructions. If he says go in the game,
they should be prepared and give their best effort…period.
Case in point; Doc Rivers/Nate Robinson – Nate didn’t play for
two or three hundred games [obvious exaggeration] then ‘Doc’ chose to put him in during the play-offs and Nate was ready plus he excelled.
-So there you go-

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I still say the problem with Teague is LD, not Teague. If he got in people’s faces, LD would probably freak! I remember when Woody told Bibby “tell Josh to quit going in the corner”, and Bibby yelled at Woody “you tell Josh to quit going in the corner”!

Bibby is not playing the best I’ve seen him play since he was a Hawks. When he first got here, he still had some of that fearless paneche that he is known for. He is shooting treys’ better,and that’s about it.

Raymond Felton under Larry Brown, LD’s mentor, a bust according to some. In NY, a star.

Now Jordan is an alpha dog, who can play PG. He’s not as talented as Teague. Hope we don’t kill him also.

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Here is the quote from wikepedia about Larry Brown, LD and Woody’s mentor:

“Despite Brown’s prowess in coaching and handling different egos and personalities, Brown has often been questioned for not playing rookies. He is also known for being hard on his point guards.”

End of story. I bet LD still thinks of Teague as “Rook”. The question is not whether Teague has very good NBA talent. He does. The question is will Larry Brown’s protoge’ (a former PG) LD (a fromer PG) kill him before he blooms. It’s the coaching tradition. LD comes by it honest. But he kills PG’s, and occasionally makes some of them.

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Fickle!

If a Coach answers to The Fickle Fan? What does that make him?
You guessed right! FICKLE
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Just take a fickle sample from this very concentrated bog: we have 100 varying opinions about one topic, not excluding the one TROLL who’s got 17 varying opinions running around in his head. Or is it a 7 headed monster with 10 opinions each?
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NorthCyde, Thank You! It was actually your phenomenal post last night that got me fired up and going this morning. You hit the Teague nail with a sledge hammer re: being a natural born Leader at that PG position on an already successful play off team. Teague should drop to his knees and thank God, he wasn’t drafted by Minnesota or The Clippers.

I struggled to remember that significant Josh Smith quote from training camp, where he said Jordan was barking at veterans and directing the offense.
I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing Jordan getting some PG opportunity over Teague at this point. 30 pts, 5 assists and 5 rebs is simply outstanding for any player, much less a rookie. Jordan always shows up and does something spectacular when his “nimber” is called! Like Jimmy Carter said, “55 Saves Lives!”
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Keep it coming NorthCyde!

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Grandad . . I actually agree with you about Drew. What was killing me about him early on, is that he was rewarding guys like Josh Powell for making shots, even if the game was slowly getting out of reach. And Al Horford, unbelievably, was the main one suffering for it.

It wasn’t until Drew came to his senses, and started pulling guys at set times ( regardless of how well they were playing ), that we transformed from a schiophrenic .500 team, to a squad winning at almost a .700 winning percentage since the 8 – 7 start.

The more Drew has opted to play Horford at PF, the more dangerous this team has become. He still has to play the majority of his minutes at center, but his production at PF has been outstanding. People should be praising Drew, instead of trying to find reasons to fault him.

Those same “stupid stats” that Rusty doesn’t like, can be shown to show just how well Horford is playing.

Once again . . this is what the opposing PF is doing vs Horford on a per 48 minute basis:

PPG: 17.8
REB: 10.8

eFG%: .438
PER: 12.0

That’s better that what Josh Smith does against the opposing PF, although Smith’s worth is what he does all-around defensively for the team, rather than just on his man.

This team might be scary good, if we had a legit center ( Shaq ) to throw into the lineup, because his defensive numbers are great this year. And he’s still a legit threat offensively that is still virtually unstoppable when he gets the ball around the rim.

But those defensive numbers at PF by Horford are damn impressive, considering that he also has to guard PGs on occasion off of a switch.

But numbers lie though . . don’t they Rusty?

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@ drmaryb

The Josh Smith quote I’m talking about, came after the Detroit preseason loss.

Look at what Josh says about Jordan trying to take command, and see if any Hawk has EVER said that about Teague.

If they have, I don’t remember it.

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And, Jeff had even less to say. Nothing useful in any of that. Everybody is just tired of saying the same things about the same thing. I agree with Jeff in that regards.

Oh well then.

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Well Jeff, as Sarah Palin would say;
feel free to “refudiate” any of my remarks.
However, I thoroughly enjoyed your 4 seconds on the blog.
I’m looking forward to your new book:
“Pessimism or Pissonimism = The True Path to a Championship”
by Jeff

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Mary Ellen;
left a message…hope I didn’t use the wrong #.

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Grandad

That was a great post at 3:11pm. I can tell you were a coach.

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Atl Fan, I agree with you, but because of Marvin’s performance. It will probably take Teague and 1st round pick to part with Marvin. What I don’t understand about Sund is Point Guards are much harder to found/get than SFs. So why wont he accept the fact that Jamal, 1st pick, and Teague exspendable pieces to get a team changing PG.

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“Just because Bibby’s defense is a D- ( which it isn’t, but people act like it is ), it doesn’t means that a C- defender should take minutes from him . . especially if the D- defender is a B offensive player, and the C- defender, is also a C- offensive player . . and the D- defender has B leadership abilites, while the other guy rates as a F.”

Nothing wrong with your general argument here, but seriously, if you think Bibby is any better than a D- defender I don’t know what games you have been watching. The entire team has to compensate for his inability to stay in front of his man. Pretty much every open shot the Bobcats got yesterday was because Bibby couldn’t stay in front of his man and the rest of the team had to rotate. I’ll give him this: he’s a smart guy and makes the most of his limited physical abilities with his basketball IQ, but that isn’t nearly enough to make him even average as a defender.

That leads me to my next point: Rusty may be going to far calling all stats “stupid”, but there is a point to be made about judging a guy’s defense solely based on the stats his counterpart puts up. Defense is such a team concept that you can only achieve accuracy to a certain degree when you look at it as a one on one thing. Just saying Teague gives up a certain PER to opposing point guards or Horford gives up certain numbers to opposing PFs doesn’t take into account what kind of defense the team is playing, who else is on the floor for whom a player may have to compensate, whether opposing teams target a certain player or stay away from a certain player, etc. I haven’t checked the stats, but I would guess that the players on the Hawks who play more minutes with Smoove and Horford give up lower PERs to their counterparts, irrespective of their own defensive abilities.

With all that said, Teague is not good at going through screens, and teams tend to attack him with screens now when he comes on the floor. His inability to fight through screens cancels out the fact that he is a decent defender in isolation or in help defense.

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Grand-Daddy

My cellie phone died, it’s charging now. I will call you from the lan line now.

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“Sure Teague may not practice enough, but he does need the experience on the floor to get better, no matter how hard he practices…”
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OK then, would you let a cardiologists practice open heart surgery on you, even if he left medical school 3 years early to go make money? Would you say, it’s OK if he loses a few patients, because he can only get better at his craft in the live operating room? Every life is precious, so is every game. Losing a game at the expense of getting better, doesn’t sound so logical, now does it?

If the ATL FAN signs up for that? Then he is a foolish man.

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Matter of fact . . to be fair to Teague . . I’ll just do the backup PGs. No sense in comparing him to starters. I’ll just compare him to the backups.

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First of all, losing a game and losing a life are two TOTALLY different things. Secondly, EVERY player has to adapt to the game by playing minutes, and only a few can be thrust into the spotlight and play well immediately, players like LeBron. Rajon Rondo was awful his first couple of seasons, but he played over 20 minutes a game because the Celtics had no other option. Luckily for us, we do have another option in Mike Bibby, but not playing Teague until we absolutely have to would end up hurting us. He’s not going to be ready, not because he didn’t practice, but because of lack of experience. By the way, I am not a Teague supporter. I don’t think he has what it takes to be a leader in this league, and whenever he does play he plays bad minutes for the Hawks. But if the Hawks do think he is our future, and not some other PG, its stupid that they aren’t playing him more.

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Nene is telling Denver that if they get rid of Melo or Billups that he would want a trade to 3 teams, one team is the Heat(of course) but we dont know the other two….GET ON THE PHONE SUND!!!

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Boys,

Got back from Charlotte this afternoon. Good trip. Good game. Bobcats have a nice arena. Would suggest to you guys to make that trip (about 3 and 1/2 hour drive). Hawks are now 1 and 0 when I see them play on the road.

Joe was outstanding last night. I think it was his best performance of the season, so far. Also, same could probably be said for Zaza.

The Bobcat arena (Time Warner Arena) was the 2nd of 3 new arenas I’m going to hit this year. I got to a game in Orlando when I was in town for the Capitol One Bowl. Going to see the Knicks/Pacers at MSG in March.

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Teague ( ATL ): PPG – 24.2 . . AST – 9.5 . . eFG% – .541 . . PER – 22.4

Robinson ( BOS ): PPG – 24.5 . . AST – 7.0 . . eFG% – .567 . . PER – 17.6

Livingston ( CHA ): PPG – 14.1 . . AST – 8.5 . . eFG% – .376 . . PER – 9.2

CJ Watson ( CHI ): PPG – 18.8 . . AST – 6.8 . . eFG% – .425 . . PER – 11.5

Sessions ( CLE ): PPG – 20.5 . . AST – 10.1 . eFG% – .529 . . PER – 17.9

Barea ( DAL ): PPG – 17.4 . . AST – 8.4 . . eFG% – .456 . . PER – 11.2

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“Those same stats showed Marvin to be an average defending SF and a below average offensive SF.” northcyde .

I wonder what the numbers say about Marvin this year, because I think he is playing better compared to last year.

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Lawson ( DEN ): PPG – 19.4 . . AST – 8.9 . . eFG% – .489 . . PER – 14.2

Bynum ( DET ): PPG – 20.3 . . AST – 9.1 . . eFG% – .529 . PER – 16.8

Law ( GS ): PPG – 16.9 . . AST – 11.4 . . eFG% – .563 . . PER – 18.1

Brooks ( HOU ): PPG – 19.2 . . AST – 9.7 . . eFG% – .476 . . PER – 15.9

Ford ( IND ): PPG – 21.4 . . AST – 7.9 . . eFG% – .479 . . PER – 16.6

Bledsoe ( LAC ): PPG – 20.3 . . AST – 9.0 . . eFG% – .447 . . PER – 15.3

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Do Not Read If You Only Want To Argue W/O Any Game!

Mike Bibby plays defense with his head. Yes he gets help from
his teammates…..all good teams play help defense…..this is
the NBA and most players cannot guard the really good ones w/o
help. Naj is correct when he says Teaguer is weak fighting thru
screens…..But…..there is another factor [not B-ball IQ]….
experience and savvy. When Bibby gets beat and Al or Zaza, ….
whomever, hedge then Bibby does a nice job recovering to his man.
Rarely are we out of position due to Bibby’s defense and ensuing teammates help and recovery.
We should not overlook MB’s choreography on transition defense.
He is not only the lead guard on offense but defense as well.

There is a reason Mike Bibby is listed as the lead/point guard on
16 of the 1st 25 player combinations for the Hawks five man (+/-)
statistics. Jamal is listed on the other nine. Jeff is only listed
3 times on the 1st 25 combinations and only then at a position other than lead or pg.
He [Teague] is not even in our best 15 combinations.
Also he [Teague] is only ahead of Josh Powell for players
on the full-time roster.
*[Wilkins is low in a small sampling of min]
**[Etan is relatively high in a small sampling of min]

These stats are not perfect -But- heres what they prove:
Our best combination of players = Bibby,Jamal,Joe,Josh,Al
*That was by pos [1-5]
*Our next best player to add in to a combination with any four
of the above would be Collins:
Statistically proving what most of us knew.
Thereby also proving Jamal is the best option @ back-up pg.

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Grandad . . exactly.

I mean . . people can complain about Bibby and his lack of defense all they want. But he serves the same purpose on offense, that Collins serves on defense ( when we play low post scoring centers ).

If the team functions better with Bibby in the lineup, regardless of his deficiencies, it’s not like we can reduce his minutes.

And because Jamal can also play the point ( even if it’s more of a scoring PG ), he’s a better option as well over Teague.

If we didn’t have either one of those guys, Drew would be forced to play Teague, because we wouldn’t have any other PG.

So I guess people need to hope that Bibby or Jamal gets hurt . . or one of them gets traded for someone other than another PG . . if they want to see Teague play.

I got 6 more backup PGs to look up.

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Mills ( POR ): PPG – 17.6 . . AST – 8.0 . . eFG% – .379 . . PER – 9.7

Jeter ( SAC ): PPG – 19.3 . . AST – 10.4 . . eFG% – .455 . . PER – 16.2

Hill ( SA ): PPG – 19.0 . . AST – 9.1 . . eFG% – .453 . . PER – 14.3

Bayless ( TOR ): PPG – 21.1 . . AST – 10.2 . . eFG% – .479 . . PER – 17.6

Watson ( UTH ): PPG – 19.3 . . AST – 8.0 . . eFG% – .428 . . PER – 15.5

Hinrich ( WAS ): PPG – 20.3 . . AST – 8.4 . . eFG% – .500 . . PER – 15.7

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It appears to me that like Woodson, Drew talks DEF, but he knew all along he intended to rely primarily on his OFF system. The big difference is he actually has an OFF system to rely on, particularly a very effective half court OFF. There’s no way on earth a HC can rely primarily on MBibby as his starting PG and be serious about putting DEF 1st..

When the ASG purchased the Hawks and hired GM BKnight, the gm plan was to build through the draft and develop our young draft picks. Out of neccesity, Woodson was forced to play Smoove, Childress, Marvin and Horford. But when it comes to playing and developing young guards, especially on a 50+ win team, there seems to be a big problem. This current turn events with Teague and JoCrawford leads me to believe we’re not going to make any trades this season.

With LDrew’s current attitude towards JoCrawford and JTeague, I question whether we’ll trade Jamal or Bibby if we have to depend on either to replace him. I can see a possible sign and trade of Jamal after the season though. I hope the trade with the Nuggets and Nets take place, because it would free up PG DHarris. He’s someone the Hawks could definitely use, and if they’re interested is in expiring contracts, Jamal and his expiring contract would definitely do the trick.

However, despite all of our PG issues and various complaints, we’re actually doing pretty darned good, considering the injuries and difficult schedule. We have 23 back to backs scheduled for the season, and at the half way point we’ve already played 15 of them. Unlike the start of the season, after the Allstar break we’ll start the 2nd half with a much better understading of what we have, what works, hopefully fewer injuries, and a much easier schedule. We’re going to put a lot of pressure on a lot of teams for a top 3 seed.

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For the last three years the position of starting point guard for the Atlanta Hawks most stringent requirement has been the ability to make a jump shot consistently.

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Teague’s off season work this past summer:”He’s also changed his body, staying in Atlanta this summer and hitting the weight room. He said he’s up to 186 after being listed at 180 last season.

“I think my legs are a lot stronger,” he said. “That’s what I’ve really been working on. For defensive purposes [because] I was coming out of my stance a lot.”

Teague also has been working on his jump shot with assistant Lester Conner in an effort to shore up a weakness in his game.

“That is really going to help me out there,” he said. “I’ve been making a lot of threes.”

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Steve . . Felton was never a bust. If anything, he simply didn’t live up to expectations, like a Marvin. But neither of those players are busts.

Jamal isn’t going to throw Teague under the bus. He’s going to keep encouraging him to keep working on his game to get better. Some of our players gave Acie Law praise as well.

Somehow, Teague is going to have to become a leader out on the court. If he’s incapable of doing this, he’s not going to pan out in the NBA. And he won’t be the first talented college player to not pan out.

And he has to be able to lead, even when playing with Jamal. If he’s such a solid defensive player ( like many believe ), he can at least become the defensive leader of the 2nd unit, even if Jamal’ms dominance of the ball prevents him from being an offensive leader.

Those list of PGs, and what the opposing PG does against them, is simply there to give people an idea where Teague stacks up. And Najeh is right in that who you play with, can affect the output of the opposing PG.

But there are guys on that list ( Chalmers, Watson, Jack, etc ) are traditionally known to be good defensive PGs. It doesn’t matter who they play with, their man isn’t going to light them up.

Then on the flip side, you have guys like Nate Robinson, Blake, Telfair and Acie, whom have always been suspect on defense, no matter what team they play on.

People just need to understand which group of PGs that Teague is closer to. Then they need to realize how hard he needs to work in order to gain the trust in Drew, which will lead to more playing time.

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Northcyde – I was just referring to the fact that Felton had the “bust” label applied when on the FA circuit by some. I didn’t think he was either, he was just on a PG killer of a team coached by a PG killer, Larry Brown.

And Teague spent the offseason working on his defense, if you read the above article.

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And you do have to admit Teague is keeping a good attitude about it all.

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I mean if you don’t think Larry Brown held back Felton (look at the stats

Look at DJ Augustin. He was averaging 12.5 ppg and 6 apg before Larry Brown left. The next 2 games he goes for 27 and 28 points respectively, and then averages 18 ppg and 7.5 apg for 11 games in January. Kinda like Felton. And now everybody is in love with Augustin, but again, he had the dreaded “bust” label being bandied about being a lottery pick in ‘08 while Brown was there.

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Northcyde – I do agree that Jordan is more of a pure scorer, and that was why he was drafted. But if Teague did that, he would be slapped with the Josh label. Teague is trying to be developed as a 1, Jordan as a 2. So the need is different. We need Jordan to score at this level, especially if he’s destined to take Jamal’s spot next year. We need Teague to be a PG if he’s eventually to be the PG on a very good team.

And don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying we’re holding Micheal Jordan hostage on the bench. Teague was a raw #19 pick. I’m not even saying Teague is better than Bibby. I’m just saying we are not developing Teague at all. And Jeff has shown initiative to improve by working hard in the offseason. I just have complaints about the Larry Brown school for young PG’s, of which Woody and LD are followers.

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Jeff Teague is a raw product. And every non-top 5 pick almost has to be developed. Even some top 5 picks. I mean look at LaMarcus Aldridge. A #2 pick in ‘06, who then averages 9 and 5 his 1st season. This is his first season in the All Star conversation. And he’s a #2 pick, not a #19 pick. You gotta develop these guys.

Look at the #1 pick in ‘05 Andrew Bogut – 9.4 and 7 his 1st season. Average .8 blocks per game his 1st season, .5 his second season, 2.7 this season. You gotta develop talent in this League with rare excetions!

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I’m loving what I’m reading. Everyone is having so much educated and logical things to say today/tonight that I really don’t have much to say. On both sides of the argument regarding Teague, everyone is presenting their opinions and facts with them. This is why I love days after the Hawks win. Because you always get back to the true basketball lovers, not just the casual espn.com watcher who see “Hawks lose” and come try to say (under 5 screen names) whatever they heard a commentator say.

I will say Bibby is obviously better than Teague is. There’s nothing LD can do about it. The responsibility falls back on Sund. While Bibby is a better PG than Teague. Bibby does not provide the ability to facilitate, break down a defense with dribble penetration, or apply pressure on the defensive end. Those three things are more important than shooting 50% from beyond the arc, or not turning the ball over. Because while you’re not turning the ball over, you’re also not getting any assists. Bibby is the best PG on this team this millennium (never saw JT as a pg). But he’s still not the PG you need when trying to be competitive in the ECF. Penetration and Defense is the main two things in the playoffs that is needed.

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KenS – It is the Larry Brown, Woody, LD way. Kill young players who are not elite, especially PG’s. It’s a history.

So someone is saying that Jordan is a better jumpshooter than Bibby because he can create his own shot? I don’t think so. If both Bibby and Teague average better significantly better than Jordan from 3 pt land (Teague in college and Bibby this season), Jordan must still be a better jumpshooter than both because he can create a shot.

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Woody sucked & ld comes from the same school. He will not give jc2 or jt a chance while he gives mo big minutes,come on what up with the man

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Guys, here is a question I have. This off season, would it be foolish of the Hawks to pursue K. Perkins? Would offering Perkins a deal of 4 years-$32 mil be a terrible idea? Boston window past this season is basically closed, especially with Rivers up in the air. While Perkins is coming off a knee injury, he was a player who used his head and his size more so than athleticism to do what he does. By all accounts, K. Perkins is the best defensive C in the league not name Dwight. Would a starting line up that features Joe, Josh, Al, Perkins, not be one of the best defensive lineups in the league? Josh is allowed to go into the off season and come into training camp knowing he will be the starting SF. There for he’s able to work more on his handle this off season and less on bulking up.

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KenS, also keep in mind the competition that it was against also. Once again, I’m not saying Bibby is the answer. But I’m not convinced that Teague is even a possibility of the answer.

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Although Bibby only averages 10 ppg, he does hit some big shots at key moments. Team down by 2 late in the fourth, Bibby will make a clutch 3 to give them the lead (although if Bibby’s defense was better, maybe the Hawks wouldn’t be down by 2 in the first place).

I dont know if Teague is the answer or not, but I hope LD and Rick knows.

Because assuming Jamal and Mo are allowed to leave next season, who will be our backup PG? Unless they believe Teague will make a huge improvement in his third year, I hope they are looking at other options.

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Having said that, maybe it takes Teague 3+ years to develop into a capable pg. I’ve said before that it took nearly 4 years for Grizzlies lottery pick Mike Conley to come into his own. Maybe he needs to be on another team, I don’t know.

This team needs a pg who makes shots. This offense involves a lot of passing and moving, so no traditional pg is needed. And so, if JC2 makes strides on defense and with his ball-handling, I say it’s on. Give the minutes to the guard who produces the most for you. Who cares if JC2 is a 2. So is Jamal. But he’s THE guard off the bench for 30 min a game, is he not?

Teague MUST improve his perimeter shot, or he’s not going to break into this rotation.

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Why even have Teague on the team if you aren’t going to play him ?

The Hawks are the same as last year, they beat up the have nots and get beat by the good teams. So whether its Boston,Orlando,or Miami we all know the Hawks won’t beat them in the playoffs.

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My point about Teague is he has the raw ability. His potential is one missing ingredient for the Hawks to improve. As we are now constructed with Bibby, we will have difficulties in the playoffs again due to Bibby’s lack of defensive ABILITY and his lack of ability to break down defense in anyway. Bibby’s lack of athletic ability also makes us not utilize our athletic wing players in transition.

We need Teague to be developed in order to advance past our current state.

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There’s no reason why Teague can’t get 10min/game to improve.
-Sitting watching Bibby isn’t taking him forward. 4 DNPs then LD plays him 2 min? Come on, that’s a mental game LD is playing at that point.
LD still looks a lot like Woody, and the only true difference I see is that there is possbily more offensive movement. What’s funny is if LD was such a good assistant, there should have been no reason why that offensive scheme couldn’t have been used the 1st 6 years LD was here.
Call it confusing or whatever, but this organization is taking a safe approach across the board, whether its playing the guys who have done it over and over or refusing to develop the young players and show confidence in them.
You see mistakes by some, they get yanked. Others who make mistakes just are allowed to keep their minutes.
I understand you handle each player individually, but the Teague/LD relationship is not moving forward. It doesn’t sound like the Powell/LD thoughtwaves are at the same level either.
So you have 2 young guns who aren’t getting minutes to improve or help this team because LD has shortened the rotation. He is going to live and die with the regulars.
You play JC2 ahead of Teague…that ought to tell Teague where he stands with LD.
I can understand why Eric Maynor can’t get major minutes being behind Russell Westbrook, but LD has no excuse for not giving Teague regular stints. That also tells you that Scott Brooks is a much better coach then LD. Throw Thibs in there as well. He handles his roster better and the Bulls are above the Hawks in 1/2 season.
It probably has something to do with both OKC and CHI having all-star PGs where we have no clue what an all-star PG is. That one crutch in the roster is what will kill this team going forward.
I personally think Teague is a battler and will do what is asked of him.
But you can only keep knocking a player so much before they start losing their confidence watching in their warmups and not even getting a whiff. I was listening to Holman on radio during the Charlotte game and at one point, Holman stated that Teague is getting up getting ready to get in the game, then he says, woops, LD tells him to sit down again.

If you were Teague, where would your head be when you can’t even get in games? This shouldn’t be happening.

Its the core or bust, the standard ASG corporate motto.

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On 12/1, Powell helped Atlanta defeat Memphis 112-109, shooting 8-9. He played 23 minutes. Two nights later he played 7 minutes, scoring 6 points on 3-3 shooting. He has played 20 minutes only twice since that date, both coming in blowout losses on Miami and Boston. He has not played over 10 minutes since 12/19 in the loss against NJ. In January, he is 1-10, has scored 4 points and played 39 minutes (Hawks are 8-2.)
Teague has played at least 20 minutes only twice this season, each time scoring double figures. (although both were losses. Dispite the limited playing time he has 3 games were he has at least 5 rebounds and 8 games when he dished out at least 4 assist.

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Ray, just reread your comments…while you may say that Bibby is the reason Teague isn’t getting minutes or LD doesn’t have the typical PG type of offense, that is only telling me one thing:
The Hawks are not moving forward, and what upsets so many people here, is that we can see the train wreck ahead before it happens.
You know what you are getting with Bibby; I truly don’t care how many shots he is hitting now. You aren’t building any depth when Bibby stops hitting his set shot jumpers, and we all know its going to happen.

We need the depth to move forward in the playoffs. LD can’t wait for the playoffs to start playing Teague and say, see how Teague didn’t contribute? It disgusts me that you can’t get your ‘backup’ PG in on a regular rotation and build him up for the playoff run.

We still don’t know which Hawks team is coming out; their best effort is always in question.

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Someone projected Teague’s numbers as a starter. With 35 minutes, he would average around 10ppg, but he would get you 6 reb and 9 assists. On this team that requires a lot of movement, he would drive and dish. That is not as effective with the second unit, but deadly with our starters. He would improve our defense. Rondo cannot shoot, but look how he effects the game. Teague will do the same. Watching the game, Bibby dribbles to half court and hands the ball to JJ. Teague ususally does the same with JC… but when JC was hurt, Teague took the second unit on his back.

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Big Ray – I hate to disagree with you, but Teague is a better jumpshooter than JC2, but not as aggressive.

KevinM said “personally think Teague is a battler and will do what is asked of him.
But you can only keep knocking a player so much before they start losing their confidence watching in their warmups and not even getting a whiff.”

Cosign that.

If you wanted to develop Teague, all you do is this: Jeff, tonite you are playing Chris Paul. I am going to put you in the game for 5-6 minutes in the 1st half, and 3 in the 2sn half. During that time I want you to eat Chris Paul’s lunch. He shouldn’t be able to breathe without you 2 inches from his face. I want you to attack him, make him have nightmares about you at night. If that put Jack in, double your efforts. Be feared.” Do that every night. He knows his role. He gains confidence and the respect of his teammates, and gradually becomes a better player and leader.

Not, “I haven’t spoken to Coach Drew in a while”. LD is a Larry Brown/Woody disciple, and this is standard operating procedure for them.

Look at Felton people! Look at Augustin now that Brown is gone! These former PG’s (Brown and LD) kill PG’s!

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Amen Steve W. Know your role, play it well or get off the team.

Hawks/LD don’t define roles, don’t move unuseable players, don’t coach for the postseason.

It’s all about winning now to satisfy the “experts” on this blog.

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If I were Teague, I would go to my agent and request a trade. Long after we’ve fired LD, Teague will be making us pay. Teams around the League are salivating to obtain Jeff Teague.

Big Ray – I hate to disagree with you again, but Jeff Teague is the most talented Guard we have drafted in 10 years, not Jordan Crawford. But Jordan is the most aggressive. And I’m a big JC2 fan, and have defended him on these blogs when others where attacking him for various reasons.

But both Teague and Jordan are incredible athletes who fit in with the Hawks young, athletic theme. Worst case scenario, Jamal walks, then Bibby leaves next season, and we have Teague, Jordan, and JJ as a good 3-some in the backcourt.

And we own Teague’s rights thru the ‘12-’13 season.

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Fundamentals….you said it like it needs to be said. Sund needs to be called out until he addresses the issue with JC1, or even provide something that defends his position as being in the correct mindset.
Faith in Rick Sund? I have none!

And again, Teague was brought in here between Ty Lawson and Eric Maynor draft picks. If either of those guys were here, we would be seeing the same approach IMO.

LD has flaws like his predecessor. Has he improved our offense? Not based on the stats, but in execution with involving more moving pieces?
Perhaps.
Has the defense improved this year? Hmmmm, that one is in question. I saw Sacramento carve us up, saw Houston run right by us, and the Hornets stomp on us. I don’t bring up the Miami game only because the Heatles settled for those 25 foot jumpers instead of challenging. And please, no one tell me the core is intimidated the Heatles. I saw LBJ and Wade as lethargic and was not interested in a full blown effort, despite losing 3 in a row. I give the Hawks credit for surviving and getting the W, but you can’t boast about their defense they played in that one.

So many see it happening, and we have to accept it, but nothing the Hawks say or do ignite me to get on the phone and take that Bob Rathburn Hawks salespitch and get that Chik-Fil-A family night package. I’ll just go directly to Chik-Fil-A and save my funds for a future GM who might bring us an attitude of championship or bust.
I see Boston, Chicago and Orlando getting better going forward this year….why not us?

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Hey MC/Ken, any trade winds blowing around the league that you have heard that ties to Nash or Billups?

Can Billups be considered before the Melo drama ends? When you see Nene, (not the Housewives Nene!!) picking cities he wants to be in, you know the powder keg is about to be lit in Denver. That rookie GM won’t be able to right that organization and talk about a pressure cooker he came into?

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Shaun Powell did a very fair writeup of this team

http://www.nba.com/reportcard/midseason/2011/hawks/

Do we really believe the Hawks are 18th in offense, (3rd or 4th last year), and 8th in defense?

That B they received is only as good as the Knicks…..we have done a worse job than any team above us in the East.

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How can Teague assume a leadership position when he only gets to play once every week?

We shoot too many jumpers. We need people that can penetrate and score easy points.

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After I saw Teague in that Boston game, I said the kid could play. I have seen it in flashes both seasons. You can’t play well on the bench. Joe and Jamal will shot us in and out of games, but if Teague misses a shot or makes a TO, he is out of the game.
PLAY JEFF TEAGUE

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I will agree about a guy playing well then getting dnp’s . I remember venting on the blog when Law was here about how he would have a game where he would play well then you would not see him for about 4 games then he would come in a game and only play 5 minutes. I think it was the Warriors game one year where Law had like 6 dimes in the first half then saw no pt in the second…When Jamal was hurt and Teague wasn’t deferring to anybody the dude played well. He has showed that when he does gets minutes he can contribute to this team….I imagine that its hard to stay in a rhythm if you play 10 minutes one night get a few dnp’s then play 6 minutes the next time you are put in a game. Like I have said before, Teague has shown flashes but he is still raw. Bibby only has one more year on his deal and there was talk about Bibby being fatigued a few weeks ago and its not even the All star break yet. He has been playing a lot of minutes and around playoff time I wouldn’t be shocked if Bibby looks tired again. At some point LD has to get Teague ready or they need to find another pg and find one ASAP… LD just has to let the dude play through his mistakes or tell Sund to get him somebody else.

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“I beginning to think LD did draft HIS PG…JC2″

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And if JC2 leapfrog’s Teague, and probably already has, LD may “punish” him then, and the circle continues.

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Ok blog people, it’s beginning to look like it may be ATL and Orlando in the 1st round of the playoffs. I know alot can happen between now and then, but that is a very realistic scenario.

Let’s suppose that Orlando has homecourt advantage. The Hawks finish let’s say 52-30. Orlando wins this 1st round series in 6, but with the Hawks playing much tougher. Are the Hawks a success this season or not in that scenario?

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Coach Drew is being short sighted on the Hawks future and should take a look at the other teams who allowed the young point guards to grow. Biddy would be a great back-up/mentor to help Teague grow into that lead role.

Come on Coach Drew, the future is JT because he can break down the opposing team’s inside defense and will only get better if he plays now! Bibby doesn’t have the speed to attack the other teams interior defense and Jamal is looking to score if he gets into the middle.

I think JT could be one of the elite PG in the east if you wake-up and see how he’s going to benefit you in the future.

Our team looks very familiar to last year’s team and your new O needs a new leader on the floor or you’ll be in the same boat as your predecessor. You’ll win the first round and be gone in the second because you’ll face a PG lead his team to the next round.

By the way, when are you planning to get Josh to shut-up and play ball. I watched him crying to the refs against the Hornets instead of getting back on defense!!! He’s a great talent, but doesn’t understand what it takes to go to the next level. Does he get a pass from the Coach because he’s a so called superstar? Real superstars don’t leave their teammates hanging.

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There are QBs in the NFL who play through half a season with one healthy knee.

Marvin Williams has been out 4 weeks with a bruised back

LOL!!!!!

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JeJe – You could make an arguement that you played Orlando better, so even if you lose in the 1st round, your better.

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RAMON-Didn’t Bibby underachieve during the same preseason that Teague and every other Hawk player went through?

BIG RAY-When LDrew stated he was going to give Teague every chance to unseat Bibby as our starting PG, wasn’t this opportunity to surplant Bibby suppose to take place during TRAINING CAMP and PRESEASON? And with the inconsistency and low production he had last yr, and the willingness of LDrew to give Teague a chance to unseat him, he definitely needed to have a strong training camp.

How can training camp and preseason be trivialized when each yr players make NBA rosters, and get cut, based on their training camp and preseason performances? Look, during the playoffs, we can’t hide or neutralize Bibby’s DEF liabilities, especially his inability to defend the pick and roll. We are particularily vulnerable against the pick and roll when both JCollins and Bibby are involved.

The team would be better served if LDrew used Teague and Bibby(OFF/DEF) in matchup situations the way we use Horford and Twin. When you look at the teams that will most likely make the playoffs, the Heat is the only team that won’t lkely take full advantage of Bibby. The Magic, Bulls, Knicks, Celtics, Pacers, and possibly the Bucks, definitely have the PG’s to take full advantage of him. Unless a trade is forthcoming, Teague is our only option.

Bibby is waaaay past the point of developing the attributes needed to effectively defend the pick and roll, and replacing him with Jamal isn’t an option either. I agree with your assessment of LDrew’s OFF system, which is tailor made for Bibby. It’s designed to move the ball, not just the player, towards the basket. I believe Teague can match or exceed Bibby’s 10PPG and 4APG if given anywhere near his 30MPG, along with much better DEF. This is no longer about Teague getting a chance to start. It’s about LDrew’s sudden unwillingness to give him the consistent mins and opportunities he needs to develop and become a consistent contributor, now that he’s 100% healthy.

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Anybody remember Brandon Jennings vs. Bibby last year? How about Jameer and Arenas against Bibby this season? Rose vs Bibby? How about Rondo against Bibby? Felton vs. Bibby? Augustin vs. Bibby?

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By the way….guys, have you seen our home schedule for the month of March. There are going to be some great games at the Highlight Factory. I just hope the Hawks survive the long road trip at the end of February.

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The blog has degenerated into a mélange of razzmatazz
concerning willy-nilly.

* Big Ray *
Great Post and terrific point about D.Fisher.
Another great point about -only- needing a lead guard!

Where is all the criticism of LD coming from?
He has yet to lose a play-off game?

Concerning his playing time for certain players:
Jason Collins is thriving in his role.
I’ve heard alot of you folks commend LD on using Match-ups
to our advantage.
What? It’s okay for Jason and not for Josh Powell or teague?
D.Wilkins is thrilled to just wear the uniform! Send Powell packing!
LD’s formula is working.
Big Ray is RIGHT…our guards must be able to shoot in this offense.
Think ORL and their offense & how much difficulty we had due to the
fact we had to cover all their shooters last season during the
play-offs.

Last point – for all MB’s percieved defensive liabilities,
we are 8th in the [whole] NBA in defense with Bibby playing
the 3rd most min on the team.

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I’m telling you guys, the issue isn’t with LD on the PG situation, its with Sund. Bibby, Teague, and JC1 part time is not the answer to the kind of pg play you want leading you to the ECF.

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KevinM ,

No, read my post again. I said that the issue doesn’t end (or even begin) with Jeff Teague. I made some very pointed comments about the organization. You must have missed them. To me, they are the bigger issue.

SteveW ,

We can agree to disagree, no sweat. I don’t know where you get the idea that Teague has a better jumper than Jordan Crawford. Hell, it doesn’t even look better. I agree that Jordan is certainly more aggressive. Isn’t that part of the game, part of being a pro ball player?

Jordan comes into the game and goes right after it. Teague comes into the game and goes after it sometimes, but not others. How exactly is he more talented?

Ken ,

I’ve watched Teague. He isn’t doing what he did in the preseason. He goes in, misses jumpers. Goes in, turns the ball over. Goes in….it’s different when the bright lights are on.

Yes, Bibby is slowing down. Yes, Bibby has issues defending (yet, the effort is there, and you have to admit, it’s better than it ever has been). Teague is the best “quick” on-ball defender. But is he shutting opposing pgs down? What does he do on the other end of the floor?

Also, I agree that there have been times this season where Teague has played well and LD hasn’t rewarded him with more playing time. But I can only count on a few. In fact, I had a time space like that last season where Teague responded well. Probably the same number of games.

Tell me: what is Teague doing so well that LD is absolutely rotten over not playing him for?

Bro’….I’ve been holding out for this guy for so long. But I’m done. He’s either an example of another not so great pick, or he’s a guy who takes 3 or 4 years to develop.

If it’s the former, we blame management. If it’s the latter, WTF are we getting on Drew for in year 2 of the guy’s development?

Or are you telling me Teague is/should be starter material right now?

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4 road wins away from matching last years TOTAL.

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Charles Barkley said this his 1st year on TNT:

“Good teams win at home and play .500 on the road, they defend with their life and rebound the ball. You can not win without the ball!”

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Rufus1

Thanks for those ‘nimbers’. Very good stats right there. This is a really good disjointed team. Not to mention playing through severe injuries.
Marvin sat out way too long for a bruised back – or was it his ego?

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Bottom line is the Hawks have to make a trade involving a impact point guard. Nash, Harris, maybe even A. Miller, Marvin for Miller (Portland) is a real possibilty because their salaries match and we need a legitimate point guard even if he’s long in the tooth and they a SF.
If Teague, we can be kept great, but he should not be deal breaker.

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Some QBs played a season with one leg.

Marvin has missed 4 weeks with a bruised back. LOL

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SteveW,

If Larry Brown is such a PG killer, then wtf explains Chauncey Billups, who blossomed under Larry Brown from a journeyman PG to a solid All-Pro?

And did he “ruin” Allen Iverson at Philly?

How about Mark Jackson in Indiana? Did Brown “kill” his career?

Larry Brown as PG killer is a hugely wrong characterization, IMO. If you want to say that his system failed to bring out the best in Felton and Augustine, ok, I’ll buy that. But look at the PGs this man has coached. No way has he been a PG killer.

You are not giving the coaches nearly enough credit for any improvements and ALL of the blame for the players’ faults.

But if Teague could play anywhere CLOSE to Billups, Iverson, or Mark Jackson, then I don’t think you’d see LD “holding him back”. Most of what’s holding Teague back is within himself.

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BIG RAY-The question should be, what isTeague doing so badly that he can’t even be considered for any meaningful mins during garbage time? It seems weird to me that we can criticize Teague for not playing shutdown DEF, and often use it as justification for not wanting to see him play more, while at the same time completely glossing over BIbby’s MATADOR DEF. If you want to see more consistency and production from Teague, give him more consistency and mins to develop and produce.

JJ and Jamal both struggled after returning from their injuries, and we lost a gm or 2 as a result. If we had been stupid enough to use their struggles as an excuse to reduce their mins and yo yo them in and out of the lineup, do you think they’d be as productive as they’ve been lately, or would we be getting more of what we got from them immediately after their return?

If LDrew had to give these 2 seasoned and very talented veteran players consistent mins and opportunities to regain their form after returning from injuries, even if it meant risking a few losses, why in the hell would anyone expect a young, talented and extremely inexperienced player like team to require anything different? This is especially puzzling when you consider his development would solve our biggest need. Virtually every Eastern Conference team that will make the playoffs will have a PG that can blow by Bibby at will. A CHAIN IS NO STRONGER THAN IT’S WEAKEST LINK, and Bibby is our weakest link, both on OFF and DEF.

If LDrew thinks he can he can have more success in the playoffs using gimmicks and his MOTION OFF to compensate for Bibby’s offensive and defensive liabilities, he’s as mistaken as Woodson was. And you’re correct about Bibby giving much more effort, but it’s results that count, and we’re not getting much, especially on a consistent basis. I doubt if Teague will ever equal Bibby as a long range shooter, but can anyone name anything else Bibby does well that Teague couldn’t equal or surpass if given the mins and support?

And before any of you bring up the turnover issue, just look at the highest rated PG’s with high assists, and you’ll see they are among the leaders in turnovers as well. When you limit your ball handling, penetration, play the PG position as conservatively as Bibby does, and generate only 4APG in 30+MPG, you can’t help but have a low turnover ratio.

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SAMUEL-So what you’re saying is, since Teague isn’t all that great on DEF, as you put it, it’s in the best interest of the team to keep him firmly glued to the bench and play a far worse DEF player? And all of this crap about Teague being too timid and lacking leadership is a bunch of BS. Just because he doesn’t go about his business in a manner that suits some of you doesn’t mean he can’t get it done. There have been no shortage of distractors who’ve had the same to say about JJ.

1-WHY IN THE HELL IS TEAGUE’S DEF BEING CALLED INTO QUESTION AND NOT BIBBY’S?
2-WHY IN THE HELL IS TEAGUE EXPECTED TO PLAY WITH WRECKLESS ABANDON, AND NOT BIBBY?
4-WHY IN HELL IS TEAGUE’S SHOOTING ABILITY A MAJOR ISSUE, AND NOT BIBBY’S INABILITY TO PENETRATE, OR GO BELOW THE 3PT LINE WITH THE BALL IN HIS HAND?
3-WHY ARE TEAGUE’S ALLEDGED SHORTCOMINGS CONSIDERED ENOUGH TO KEEP HIM FROM GETTING MINS, YET EVERYONE WANTED JCOLLINS TO BECOME A PERMANENT STARTER, EVEN THOUGH HE DOESN’T SCORE, REBOUND WELL, BLOCK SHOTS, OR PROVIDE GOOD HELP DEF?

WHERE’S THE LOGIC?

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