Hawks 103, Bobcats 87

CHARLOTTE – Greeting, all. A pretty satisfying win for all you Hawks fans, I imagine. One night after a complete flop, the Hawks win without Al Horford, Marvin Williams and Josh Powell, on the back end of a back-to-back against a team that is starting to show some life.

– Joe Johnson continues to roll. After a nine-point effort against New Orleans, he goes 12 for 18 for 32 points. While it looked like they did a little more isolation than normal, a lot of it appeared kind easy for him tonight, with the exception of the bump he took near the end of the second half. He says it might be a bruise. He had a leg-length compression sock on the leg after the game. He was glad the team won’t have to play again till Wednesday to let him heal up.

– You all probably know better, but that’s the best I’ve seen Zaza Pachulia play this season, particularly in the second half. He went to the basket better than usual and showed some touch. I must confess, I was dubious when Larry Drew said he was putting Zaza in the lineup to give the team some offensive punch, but he came through.

– Charlotte fell right in the trap when the Hawks went zone in the middle of the third quarter. They went 2-for-9 in the midst of a Hawks’ 17-4 run that put the game away. There were misses from 23 feet, 26, 16, 20 and 17 feet by Gerald Wallace (6-7), Boris Diaw (6-8), Stephen Jackson (6-8) and Gerald Henderson (6-5). They were makeable shots, but I’m going to presume they could have gotten better had they worked at it a little more.

“For the most part our energy was there, but once our shots stopped falling and they started making shots, the energy level and the spirits just kind of dropped a little bit,” Wallace said. “I think that was the turning point of the game and they took over from there.”

– I’ll say this – Charlotte missed a lot of open jump shots. Maybe that’s just what the Bobcats do, but I think the Hawks dodged a bit of a bullet.

– A DNP for Jeff Teague. The team was shorthanded – albeit more with the bigs than with guards – and he didn’t get in. I don’t know if it was a message, but it was a little peculiar that Jordan Crawford got squeezed into the game at the end and Teague did not. Didn’t get a chance to talk to Drew. In January, Teague’’s gotten four DNP’s.

“If you get in there, you’d better do what you can do,” he said. “If he doesn’t put me in, I’ll cheer for my teammates and hopefully they’ll do well.”

– Good night for Mike Bibby. He was 5-for-10 from the floor and showed some spark driving to the basket a few times.

“I’ve been in the league long enough to know that there’s going to be some good nights and there’s going to be some bad nights,” he said. “Last night was a bad night all the way around. It happens, not to that extreme as it did, but it does happen. We followed it up with a good win and now everybody’s back.”

– Hawks are 4-0 in the red uniforms this year. Seventh different starting lineup this year. Despite Johnson missing nine games, Crawford missing six, Horford missing two, Williams missing 15 and Mo Evans missing eight, the Hawks are one game behind their pace from last year, when they had near perfect health.

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Rev in Tampa

January 23rd, 2011
1:15 am

Ken, thanks for your posts before, after and DURING the game. I really appreciated hearing your perspective.

I have been after MC to ask Drew the following question, “What will Teague have to be able to do to earn 20+ minutes a game?”

On the blog we are all very confused about this point. We believe that there must be something that Drew is seeing in practice about Teague that we have yet to see because it makes no sense that Teague is glued to the bench when the Hawks need more help at pg. Actually, northcyde is not confused, but we all disagree with him on Teague so he doesn’t count. What’s funny, however, is that northcyde formulated the question that I am asking you to ask Coach Drew.

Rev in Tampa

January 23rd, 2011
1:17 am

Correcton: “What will Teague have to do to be able to earn 20+ minutes a game?”

I Believe In This Team

January 23rd, 2011
1:26 am

Great to see a win, but my fan legs are still a bit wobbly from the New Orleans game.

I’ve also found it interesting that JC2 has been handling the point when he’s been in. I wonder if the franchise is curious about Jordan Crawford becoming the heir to the starting point guard position. If that’s the case I hope Jeff Teague finds some minutes on another team. I’ve been a fan of his since Wake, and he deserves the chance to run an offense in the NBA.

I really don’t understand why our rookies ride so much pine. We don’t have the depth of roster to not develop these younger players.

FREE JORDAN CRAWFORD

GET WELL MARVIN AND AL.

Worldwide Clyde

January 23rd, 2011
1:39 am

Free Jordan Crawford

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TRADE 4 NASH

January 23rd, 2011
3:39 am

Free Jordan Crawford

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

January 23rd, 2011
4:47 am

Seventh!!! The band wagon has sure gotten lighter after the Hornet’s loss. But hey maybe JJ, Smoove and Bibby are right about all good teams suffer games like that blow out because The Hornets just crushed the Spurs by double digits – two top teams got bombed by these annoying insects I live near, lol.

Freshfromatl

January 23rd, 2011
5:25 am

Free Jordan Crawford

vava74

January 23rd, 2011
5:32 am

I refrain from even checking in the blog after the NO debacle which I actually anticipated

After the MIA win, a ball club like te Hawks – without a winning culture and with too many childish characters – were bound to lay an egg.

Add up to that LD’s still work in progress coaching style and strategy and that happened.

Also, NO has been on a tear again after takingsome time to readjust after the trade they made with TOR.

Disappointing losses happen, even to te best. One night after distroying UTA – resting half way all their regulars- BOS lost to the Wizards.

So there you have it.

Big Daddy

January 23rd, 2011
6:40 am

I am very pleased that the guys got their act together enough to win against the Bobcats in Charlotte. They have had our number for some time and this just shows the guys do have the pride and professionalism to come out and do better.

I saw where some pointed out that both the Celtics and the Spurs loss last night against teams they should have beat. The Celtics lost by 2 and the Spurs loss by 14. If the Hawks had loss by either of those margins I am certain you would not have seen the rants from the others on the blog, including MC. I have seen a few more records that were broken by that loss including the most ever in NBA history with a team 10 games over .500. You don’t just brush something like that aside. We had the worst loss in margins in NBA playoff history in last year’s playoffs and our loss against NOH was the worst in ATL francise history. You are sticking your head in the sand if you say that is just one loss. Decent, well-built, well-coached teams don’t lose like that. There is something fundmentally wrong with our team’s structure. In a way, I don’t want to blow up the team and start over. But, there has to be a major change and the longer we wait the harder it is going to be to fix it.

I do echo the sentiments of many in what is so wrong with Jeff Teague that he does not get the time to develop and mature. I fear that he is going to be traded and end up on a team that will develop him and use his talents. You have only to point to Boris Diaw to see how once he left the team how he has been. Think about what it would be like for him to be anchoring the small forward spot now. Or Al Harrington for that matter.

I don’t think that most people jumped off the band wagon as much as demonstrated their disgust for a poor performance by highly paid athletes. They will be back and cheering for their team. Let’s hope the team really gives them something to cheer about.

Big Ray

January 23rd, 2011
6:54 am

Jeff Teague is quickly going the way of Acie Law.

The 2005 draft is STILL haunting us. And that’s no knock on Mike Bibby, just sayin’…

ken

January 23rd, 2011
8:55 am

My take is that coach Drew is taking the short term view and seeking seeking to build is resume with regular season wins at the expense of developing his younger players. I believe this to be the root cause of Josh Powell incident Friday night which lead to his suspension.The Hawks bench players are getting fustrated with Drew’s lack of a clear substition pattern after this late in the season. I noticed that no matter how well they play in a game, it is usually followed up with a ” DNP coach’s decision. This type of nonsense is enough to fustrate anyone. What coach Drew needs to understand is that with this team, he will be judged by what this team does in the playoffs and they will never take the next step without adequate development of the bence players. In this regard, coach Drew is too much like his fomer boss.

drmaryb (*_*)

January 23rd, 2011
10:11 am

Intangible Deficit!

Northcyde said it Best, when he said:

“Rondo was a leader, who needed his talent developed. So was Deron Williams. You show me a young PG that fails in the NBA, and I’ll show you a guy that is not a leader.”
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Rondo’s start in Boston was well documented as very shaky. Reports said, he was stubborn as hell and clashed with the HOF’ers on his team. He had a very strong opinion and would bark orders and tell the veterans what to do in practices and games and refused to back down to them. It took a lot of patience from Doc and the Team to reign him in. Look at Rondo now, the rest is history. Doc saw the Intangible LEADER in him! Rondo had to learn how to play in the NBA, many great College players struggle with this and don’t always make that transition, especially at the PG position. A position of Leadership!
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The Draft has no tools to measure the HEART of a man. The Bible says, “The HEART is he seat of motivation.”. A man will always do what is in his HEART to do. God does not judge our actions. God judges the HEART of man.
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Has any of out Teague supporters ever seen Jeff bark orders, get in anybody’s face and actually run the offense. Does Jeff, take control in practices and leave no doubt to his teammates that HE is in charge of the offensive sets and schemes. Does Jeff even know the offense himself. Teague has to display that he is in charge and be a VOCAL Leader on the floor at all times.

Northcyde may have clearly identified what is holding Jeff back – Jeff himself!
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Great insight from NorthCyde on the last blog. The post that followed this one, also drove this point home! A Home Run!
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Also, the scouts said Jeff was a SG not a PG. IMHO, he is too small for the NBA SG position, and does not show NBA range nor fundamental shooting skills. His shot to me, looks like Ron Artest: a flat, line-drive, no lift and no arch.

Look at the player and don’t just blame the coach. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

brigadierjerry

January 23rd, 2011
10:29 am

drmaryb,

you make a good point about Teague. He is a combo guard that has a broke jumper and that is why he isnt getting minutes. If he could somehow be able to hit a jump shot he would be in the rotation. He is at best an earl boykins type of guard. He should look to pattern his game after Ty Lawson because he does have speed.

Fundamentals

January 23rd, 2011
10:33 am

It’d be nice for Drew to come out and be up front about his decision not to use Teague, Powell, Etan and JC2. You could almost lump ZaZa in on that till his use of late. I agree we need wins, but like last year, they’ll come at the expense of post season success.

I hope that Powell’s suspension did in fact come from him standing up for the 3rd unit. Each player has shown talent, flashes, and a need for minutes to develop. Each has gotten unneccessary DNP’s and lack of minutes after decent or excellent play.

LD needs to decide how he can use them or let them go to another team for players he will use.

The Real Hawk

January 23rd, 2011
10:36 am

How do you not play Teague in a blowout game, Larry?

Fundamentals

January 23rd, 2011
10:37 am

I realize Sund and ASG dictate player moves and I realize the players in question don’t show a demand for major minutes. My point is they deserve a chance to develop or a definite plan for how to get there. They are role players. What is their role? At this point of the season LD should be able to know how they fit to clearly define that role. To me the frustration comes from a lack in communication.

KevinM

January 23rd, 2011
10:38 am

Congrats to the Hawks for their rebound last night. If anyone needed a game to redeem themselves, it was the core. They hit their 2nd half shots and took Charlotte and the crowd out of the game.
Was MJ at the game last night? I didnt’ see the whole game, but he sure has been quiet lately. Has he been a success as an owner so far?

DMB, remember who our basketball expert, BK, brought in for pre-draft workouts in 2006? Randy Foye and Rondo….this link here says that Shell was going to be up close as well, but I thought we drafted Shell without any visit.

http://hotlantahawks.com/2006/06/predraft-report.html

How about real laugh looking back? Guess who NBAdraft.net compared Rondo to one week before the draft? Our very own Mooooooooooooooookie!
And Rondo was a teammate of Smoove at Oak Hill….

BK would probably still be here had he made the right decision and Woody would have actually developed a PG while he was here. So far, Woody and LD aren’t interested in developing a PG.

ILL-Logical

January 23rd, 2011
10:38 am

Three BIG questions are now looming for the Hawks:

1. What was the “conduct detrimental to the team” that caused Josh Powell’s suspension? Here is a guy that has been as even keeled as any player on the team and has played,albit sparingly, on a team with some of the biggest prima donnas in sports. What set him off and why ; because there could be some deeper issues about to surface.
2. Why does Joe continue to get a pass on his less than stellar play like last night’s botching of a 3 on 1 fast break with a lazy ,ill timed pass, followed by a lazy pass under the basket when he couldn’t get his shot off? The return of iso Joe seems to timed more to influence an All Star selection than team goals(?)
3. Is coach Larry Drew morphing into the former Head Coach with his return to iso Joe; the Acie Law-ization of Jeff Teague and the lack of restraining Josh Smith’s jump shooting foray’s? We now know as a matter of fact that the ASG is seriously lacking in credibility; is LD trapped between a rock and a hard place with respect winning with a disfunctional management group that has assembled a poorly structured, albeit talented, team?

Fundamentals

January 23rd, 2011
10:39 am

What are the exact rules for waiving a player? If they were released, how does it affect us in picking up replacements before Feb 24th?

I just hate to see kids who don’t fit, missing their chance while other players who do fit get dealt.

steve brown

January 23rd, 2011
11:08 am

Get off Joe Johnson-we are lucky to have him, get off Drew-no way our record could be any better at this point, get on Teague-the kid just isn’t a player, get on Evans-he needs to shut up and show he can play because he hasn’t shown S–t.

terrell

January 23rd, 2011
11:14 am

Youm mean the Hawks win without Horford. We always win without Marvin and Powell. Wtf?

drmaryb (*_*)

January 23rd, 2011
11:27 am

“How do you not play Teague in a blowout game, Larry?”
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I wouldn’t call last night’s game a blowout, a team like Charlotte has owned us 10 straight times on their court. Captain Jack, Wallace and Augustin together can make 10 pts disappear on three consecutive plays in 1 minute. Especially, if you gamble and put Turnover – Teague in there. Stranger things have happened.

The Philadelphia Eagles scored 3 improbable touchdowns in 7:23 angainst The Giants and knocked a 10 win team out of play-off contention in those 7 minutes.
Because the winning team, relaxed and was already in the parking lot before the game had ended.
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Reggie Miller deafeated The Knicks and Spike Lee with what? 13 pts in 13 seconds? (my stats aren’t accurate, but you get the point)

After the NOH loss and the manner of it? IDK if I would trust Teague, last night either. Yall, really need to get off that Teague bandwagon, what do we really, really know about all that anyway? Trust, that the Coach would cut off his left arm, before he would deliberately stop Teague from being a Star! What Coach does not give his team the best chance to win?

Do you really believe Drew is trying to lose games and hurt his team from winning regular and hopefully post season games? Really?
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Where is the Logic?

terrell

January 23rd, 2011
11:32 am

Damn! Hornets beat the Spurs by 20+

drmaryb (*_*)

January 23rd, 2011
11:51 am

Arm Chair – Monday Morning Quarter Backs!

Steve Brown, the stands are filled with over weight, ball headed, beer drinking “Know – it – Alls!” Most of these fans have never even dribbled a Basketball, and If they have? Apparently, they very good at it, or perhaps they would have played in the NBA.

There are a lot of base-less opinions about Teague and Joe on this blog, not to mention ungrateful people who don’t remember the 13 Win seasons and never bothered to look in the rafters at home games to see:

The Hawks are NOT some storied franchise. The arrogance of it all is beyond my comprehension. Of course, I want us to win a Championship? Who doesn’t?
However, The Hawks are NOT built to win it all! Coach Drew is playing a flawed hand, he does NOT have all the ingredients to win it all!

Yall know damned well, what we NEED! And, that we are lacking!
Teague and JC2 are NOT gonna’ answer some bell and take us to any promised land! Get Real! We NEED a dominant SIZED Center to battle the contenders (Boston and Lakers), and we NEED a true effective PG!

Until then? Chill out and enjoy what we got, get off Drews’ back!
See Sund and the Law Suit Happy ASKG!

drmaryb (*_*)

January 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm

I personally don’t believe that Drew has not errored – “To Error is Human” says the Good Book! I have never personally bashed the Coach nor the players and I for one, NEVER will. But, I will criticize decisions and bad plays made by the team. There is a fundamental difference in that approach from name calling and out right personal attacks. I will NEVER wish a man to be fired, that is not my role as a fan. These people have feelings too.

Proper blame has to be placed on the behavior of the Owners, GM first and foremost. If the product has been supplied with everything it needs to be successful, then I will begin to blame them as well. Until then, can’t you all agree? The Team has got needs? And, they have NOT been met?

cp

January 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm

Great post ken at 8:55. I said a few weeks ago that it seems like LD is trying to win as many games as possible just like Woodrow did last season. With Teague I honestly just dont know. When guys were hurt and he got pt he started to play better. That Boston game had everybody pumped with his performance. He followed that up with a few more solid games. Then some guys come back and his pt gets cut again and a few more DNP’s. At times he shows flashes and at others he still looks raw. Only time will tell with this situation

drmaryb (*_*)

January 23rd, 2011
12:27 pm

cp

Nice post. I agree Teague is still very intriguing. I have not given up on him yet.
His time will come, he has to stay humble and ready, the fans have to be a little more patient.

We may not agree with everything Woodson and Drew does/did/do, but I think they did the best to their abilities. That’s all anyone can really do, really.

You can’t win without great players, there is a lot of talent in the NBA.
The best in the whole wide world, actually. It’s not as easy as college, only 30-60 college players are drafted from hundreds/thousands?

Michael Cunningham

January 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm

@ Rev in Tampa: “I have been after MC to ask Drew the following question, “What will Teague have to be able to do to earn 20+ minutes a game?””

perhaps you missed it, this topic was covered at length here: http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2010/12/28/atlanta-hawks-on-drew-and-teague/

if you saw that post and still have the same question, i don’t know what i can tell you. as you can see, i am also confused by Drew’s explanations re: Teague’s lack of consistent burn and for some of the same reasons as my blog people. but all i can do is ask the questions.

ATL FAN

January 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm

what do all the teague supporters see in teague? i see no potential in him whatsoever, he has no sense of basketball IQ

rusty

January 23rd, 2011
1:17 pm

Let’s get real.he let’s mo play when he plays like crap. Teague has looked good at times , can play defense can penetrate, there is absolutely no reason to not giving him at least 15 min a game. The way he is being used is just hurting him,ditto for jc2. A lot of other teams are using there rookies & getting use out of them. We are just so stupid. The thinking of drmaryb & nortcyde are retarded. It seems jj gets unfair favoritism,I love when he plays well but often he plays like crap & never is really called out for it.

rusty

January 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm

Drmaryb. Teagues time will never come the way we are using him

Rev in Tampa

January 23rd, 2011
1:20 pm

MC,

Thanks for the reply. I read the prior blog post at the time. I really appreciated that you hounded Coach Drew for an answer. The reason I posed the question again was to see if Coach Drew can be more speciific. His answer the last time you asked was confusing at best. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I thought he might be trying to figure out how best use Teague, but now I am convinced that Drew has formed a definite opinion of Teague and has opted to leave him on the bench.

I would hope that he has spoken directly to Teague about why he has not earned any more playing than he has, but who knows?

It is obvious that Bibby cannot be the long or short term answer for the Hawks if they plan on making it past the second round of the playoffs so something must be done. Is it Teague or is it something else? The trade deadline is looming.

DeepDiver

January 23rd, 2011
1:21 pm

ILL-logical — your post certainly lives up to your handle. Joe Johnson won the game last night and you want to nitpick about two plays…

brigadierjerry

January 23rd, 2011
1:28 pm

I think if drew thought he could play him he would. Drew is trying to get wins. I think you either a point guard that can play or not. I havent seen any flashes in him other he can pressure the ball. He doesnt have a great jump shot and isnt a good passer. I see him being a backup at best.

Rev in Tampa

January 23rd, 2011
1:33 pm

ATL FAN,

In my mind, Teague has not unseated Bibby from the starting role, nor has he played well when he is in the game with Jamaal. He defers to Jamaal so why have him out there? It is reasonable, from that standpoint, that Teague is planted on the bench receiving more DNP’s than assists.

However, as we all know, defense wins in the playoffs. And Bibby/Jamaal are not assets on the defensive end of the floor. Furthermore, speed don’t slump. If Teague is able to keep the opposing pg from driving into the lane at will simply because he is quick as a cat, then I don’t care so much about his offense.

We all witnessed that Teague’s got some talent going back the the Boston game, but after he played so well he was relegated to the bench where he has been planted ever since.

All the talk about Teague is not because we are Teague grouppies, rather it is because we know that the point guard position is a major weakness waiting to be exploited. WE WANT ANSWERS. Our frustration is fueled by Coach Drew’s equivocation.

Worldwide Clyde

January 23rd, 2011
1:35 pm

“BK would probably still be here had he made the right decision and Woody would have actually developed a PG while he was here. So far, Woody and LD aren’t interested in developing a PG.”

That means next year when Bibby’s contract expires we will probably have to give him another one.

Ken Strickland

January 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm

Last yr, we lost a total of14 gms to injuries, while this yr we’ve lost a total of 40gms to injuries, and it’s only mid season. Yet, we’re only 1gm behind last yrs won/loss total. Why are we having so much more success winning on the road, and in back to back gms, than in previous yrs? Well, a lot of it has to do with us having an actual half court OFF, which really makes a difference on the road in closed gms. Our success in back to backs is likely due to players, especially our top 6 players, not having to manage their energy levels during gms due to being fatigued from being required to play too many mins.

In the past, we had major difficulty even competing against Orlando. Now we’ve improved enough to not only be competitive against them, but lead them 2-1 in this yrs series, with a win in Orlando. To be able to consistently win closely contested gms on the road will make us stronger and help prepare us for the playoffs. This yr we’re scoring fewer pts in the paint, and it’s due to us running less. With a far more productive halfcourt OFF system, we’re getting more open scoring opportunities in our half court OFF, which will also serve us well come playoff time. We only need to work harder on our half court DEF.

northcyde

January 23rd, 2011
2:17 pm

@ drmaryb . . . your posts this morning, I couldn’t have said it better. Those posts were crystal clear, full of insight, without emotion, and simply brilliant.

People just want to hold out hope for the kid. The fact is that he just hasn’t siezed the moment enough to have the coach trust him.

I remember something significant Josh Smith said in preseason, when Teague was out with injury, and Jordan Crawford had to play PG. He said that Jordan was in practice, barking out orders to people while he was playing PG .

In other words, Jordan was trying to lead.

Jordan even had a preseason game, playing mainly with non-NBA scrubs, in which he scored 30 pts – 5 rebs – 5 asssts.

Now we all know that Jordan isn’t a PG. But in preseason, he immediately impressed some of the vets on this team, with his tenacity and fearlessness.

It’s amazing that people are still backing Teague, and questioning Drew . . when it was Drew himself who added one of the most aggressive PGs in the past 20 years in the NBA ( Nick Van Exel ), to bring out Teague’s “inner dog” . . and hired Lester Conner, a journeyman PG who was best known for his defense . . to be part of his coaching staff.

And t still hasn’t worked.

But people still want to blame the coach?

And the other fallacity that this blog kicks around, is that they ( as fans ) are willing to go through the “growing pains” of seeing then young guys and the bench develop, even if it means losing games.

But when we were 8 – 7, and Drew was playing people like Powell and Teague at least 15 minutes a game, people were flat out freaking out around here.

It wasn’t until Drew shortened the rotation, that we actually starting winning a little more. Then when JJ finally got back on track, we’ve really kicked it up a notch.

Instead of blaming the coach, these fans need to get on these players who are not playing, to PLAY BETTER. LOL @ Powell whining about PT. Let me go into “stat mode” right quick.

O'Brien

January 23rd, 2011
2:19 pm

“Why does Joe continue to get a pass on his less than stellar play like last night’s botching of a 3 on 1 fast break with a lazy ,ill timed pass, followed by a lazy pass under the basket when he couldn’t get his shot off? The return of iso Joe seems to timed more to influence an All Star selection than team goals(?)” ILL-Logical .

C’mon Man!

Does he make some bad plays at times? Sure. But JJ is averaging 25 pts, 5 assists and 4 rebounds per game in January.

All Star goal or not, don’t you think the Hawks are happy that he is playing at an all-star level, even if there is more ISOs mixed in?

Grandad

January 23rd, 2011
2:21 pm

LD owes “us” no explanations whatsoever.
“us” meaning we on this board, the media, the fans, whomever.
His job is to Coach -his- team. Communicate with -his- players.
I feel certain young Mr Teague knows the deal.
In my humble opinion, Mike Bibby is playing -Lights Out-!
MB is playin’ the best I’ve seen him play since he’s been a hawk.
Think about it, gid rid of your negative bias, how many pg’s are
playing better than Mike Bibby right now. People want to trade for
this ‘n that, b ut in most cases it’d be a step down.
It’s time to quit worrying about Teague and get happy about ‘Mike’!

O'Brien

January 23rd, 2011
2:41 pm

“You show me a young PG that fails in the NBA, and I’ll show you a guy that is not a leader.” Northcyde .

Mateen Cleaves from Michigan State is one guy that comes to mind.

But I do share similar concerns about Teague’s leadership. I remember during summer league when Teague said he would just give up the ball to somebody else, because that’s what he would do during the regular season anyway.

And that’s not what you want to hear from a guy who is supposed to be a PG and a team leader in the making.

northcyde

January 23rd, 2011
2:44 pm

I posted this last week about Teague, and what the opposing PG was doing while he was in the game. Those stats were based up to Jan 6th. The update is up till Jan 19th, and doesn’t include the New Orleans game.

Unfortunately for Teague, the defensive numbers are getting worse.

These are based on a per 48 minute basis:

PPG: 24.2
REB: 5.3
AST: 9.5
TOs: 3.2

eFG%: 54.1
PER: 22.4

This is the defensive stopper PG that people want taking PT away from Bibby. But maybe this is inaccurate. If Synergy tracks defense like they do offense, maybe MC can show how Teague’s defense is an asset to the Hawks.

Just because Bibby’s defense is a D- ( which it isn’t, but people act like it is ), it doesn’t means that a C- defender should take minutes from him . . especially if the D- defender is a B offensive player, and the C- defender, is also a C- offensive player . . and the D- defender has B leadership abilites, while the other guy rates as a F.

And I was generous in rating Teague ahead of Bibby defensively, even though Teague’s opponents stats are close to the WORST in the league, if not THE worst.

And these numbers might even be worse, because the New Orleans game isn’t added onto this.

O'Brien

January 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm

* To clarify, Mateen Cleaves failed in the NBA, although he was a very good leader who led his college team to a title.

rusty

January 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm

Nortcyde you know what you can do with your stupid stats. Any one that isn’t blind knows that teague is a hell of a better defensive player than mb

Grandad

January 23rd, 2011
3:11 pm

I don’t see any reason for us to prove That Teaguer is bad.
Personally, I like the kid. What we need to do is have faith
in LD to do his job. He may use stats, practice evaluation,
intuition, or he may just have an eye for what he wants.
nonetheless he has chosen to handle Jeff in this manner.
LD has shown to this point to be more than competent.
He appears to have the ear of the ones who count, from Joe
on down. I for one am very pleased with the team. I only wish
for Rick Sund to do his job and reinforce the troops.

I forgot to mention this in my earlier post:
When handling the players LD has no obligation to play anyone.
The players are being paid regardless. He’s the Coach, they report
for work and then follow his instructions. If he says go in the game,
they should be prepared and give their best effort…period.
Case in point; Doc Rivers/Nate Robinson – Nate didn’t play for
two or three hundred games [obvious exaggeration] then ‘Doc’ chose to put him in during the play-offs and Nate was ready plus he excelled.
-So there you go-

northcyde

January 23rd, 2011
3:14 pm

Josh Powell . . do you know why you don’t play, despite being suprisingly decent offensively.

IT’S BECAUSE YOU’RE A TURNOVER MACHINE!

You average a whopping 3.1 turnovers per 36 minutes. That ranks you NEXT TO LAST on the Hawks, with only Jordan Crawford having more turnovers per 36 minutes ( 3.3 )

As much as people complain about Josh Smith and his turnovers, he averages 2.8 TOs per 36 minutes ( the same as Jeff Teague, by the way ). But you average even more TOs than they do . . and they handle the ball MUCH MORE.

On a per 48 minute basis, you have a PER of 9.5 while playing PF.

Let me list that again

A 9.5 PER

One more Mr. Powell. And this is the ultimate nail in your coffin.

Unfortunately ( going into the New Orleans game ), you earned the “honor” of having the WORST +/- ratio ( -95 ) of any Atlanta Hawk. The next closest Hawk, to some people’s surprise, is Damien Wilkins, whom in his short time as a Hawk, has posted a ( -44 ).

That’s why you don’t play dude. Making 15 foot jumpers are great. But if your presence on the floor tends to make the team worse because you play bad in other areas, then we can’t have you out on the floor.

Stop crying and be happy that you’re even getting a NBA paycheck, seeing that people weren’t exactly beating down your door this summer to obtain your services.

SteveW

January 23rd, 2011
3:17 pm

I still say the problem with Teague is LD, not Teague. If he got in people’s faces, LD would probably freak! I remember when Woody told Bibby “tell Josh to quit going in the corner”, and Bibby yelled at Woody “you tell Josh to quit going in the corner”!

Bibby is not playing the best I’ve seen him play since he was a Hawks. When he first got here, he still had some of that fearless paneche that he is known for. He is shooting treys’ better,and that’s about it.

Raymond Felton under Larry Brown, LD’s mentor, a bust according to some. In NY, a star.

Now Jordan is an alpha dog, who can play PG. He’s not as talented as Teague. Hope we don’t kill him also.

Grandad

January 23rd, 2011
3:20 pm

Concerning Teague on Defense as opposed to Bibby.
[for you Rusty]

Lawyer Malloy:
on young players coming into the NFL & trying to take his job.

“These young guys are fast which means that they can get to the
wrong place alot faster”!

SteveW

January 23rd, 2011
3:26 pm

Here is the quote from wikepedia about Larry Brown, LD and Woody’s mentor:

“Despite Brown’s prowess in coaching and handling different egos and personalities, Brown has often been questioned for not playing rookies. He is also known for being hard on his point guards.”

End of story. I bet LD still thinks of Teague as “Rook”. The question is not whether Teague has very good NBA talent. He does. The question is will Larry Brown’s protoge’ (a former PG) LD (a fromer PG) kill him before he blooms. It’s the coaching tradition. LD comes by it honest. But he kills PG’s, and occasionally makes some of them.