Atlanta Hawks: Hornets 100, Hawks 59

This says it all. (Hyosub Shin / hshin@ajc.com)

Maybe this is all that needed to be said. (Hyosub Shin / hshin@ajc.com)

  • After this debacle the question was obvious: How can the Hawks follow up a strong effort at Miami by laying down to the Hornets at home?
  • Some of the Hawks’ answers top the question made it sound as if they’d just loss a close one at Boston.
  • “The difference was they made shots,” Mo said. “That’s very discouraging throughout the course of the game. Early on, we played great defense on Chris Paul, and he came down and shot a 35-footer. That was the type of night it was for them.”
  • Yes, the Hornets made some shots, especially in the third quarter, when Belinelli made some deep threes. But that’s about the only unusual thing that happened. The Hornets basically played like a competent NBA team and won by 41 at Philips.
  • Again–how can the Hawks get embarrassed like this at home three days after winning at Miami?
  • “You really can’t explain it,” Smoove said. “You have games like this. I think Chris Paul is a very smart point guard. I think he just got the ball where he wanted to with dribble penetration.”
  • Yes, CP3 is a very smart and skilled point guard and he did hurt the Hawks with dribble penetration. But Paul had only 16 points and eight assists in 30 minutes while shooting 4 of 10, and the Hawks always struggle with dribble penetration.
  • The Hawks also missed a lot of open shots early in the game.
  • “We couldn’t make shots and we just panicked,” L.D. said. “We just lost our composure. Then we had defensive breakdowns and the game just slipped away from us.”
  • But the Hawks missed shots at Miami, too, and they didn’t stop competing. So, one more time: Can the Hawks explain how they got handled like this at home after handling their business at Miami?
  • “No, not at all,” J.J. said. “Over the course of a season you are going to have a two like this. Unfortunately it had to be tonight after a big win against Miami. Give New Orleans credit. They are a great team and they have been playing great basketball for a few weeks now. They came in here and controlled the whole game.”
  • Yes, the Hornets are a good team and they’ve been hot. But how can the Hawks. . . aw, forget it.
  • It was Atlanta’s largest margin of defeat at home since losing 118-74 to Phoenix on March 30, 2000. The Hawks scored the fewest points in a game since the franchise moved to Atlanta in 1968. They avoided the franchise scoring low of 57 points when JC2 made a 3-pointer with 32 seconds left.
  • Boos rained down on the Hawks when they left the floor. I actually thought fans showed restraint by waiting until then to let the Hawks have it.
  • Maybe they were just keeping things in perspective. Even with this ugly L, the Hawks still are on a good run over the last month.
  • “It’s one loss, whether it’s by one or 80,” Mo said. “No matter how disappointing or embarrassing, it’s one loss. Tomorrow we’ve got a chance to go out there and show what kind of team we really are.”
  • But that’s the thing, isn’t? Just when you think that scrappy W at Miami provides evidence of what kind of team they really are, the Hawks turn around and lose in a way that makes you wonder what they are about. The same thing happened last weekend, when the big W at Utah was followed by a defenseless L to Houston.
  • “Id be lying if I said games like this are easy to forget,” Jamal said. “But if you lose by one or lose by 40, it’s still a loss. You just have to move on. It’s not like football where we have to wait a week. So we have an opportunity tomorrow.”
  • The Hawks were without Al (ankle). I avoided mentioning that until now because that can’t come close to explaining how they got blasted like this.
  • Like the Hawks, I can’t come up with a coherent analysis to explain this, either, so I’ll skip it and just let my blog people have at it.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

163 comments Add your comment

WOLLEY STEKCAJ

January 21st, 2011
11:24 pm

Alot of fans there disguised as empty seats. Season ticket holders, do not go to the next home game, show the Hawks who is in CHARGE.

HORNETS RULE!

January 21st, 2011
11:31 pm

Hornets owned the Hawks…what a BEATDOWN…New Orleans continues their domination over the pathetic ATL teams…..WHO DAT, HORNETS DAT! Lmao…loved being at the game and watching all the Hawks fans leaving Ingrid 3rd period…what a bunch of bandwagon fans, just like the FALCLOWNS……

Disgusted

January 21st, 2011
11:37 pm

This was a horrible loss. No matter how the players try to spin it. I have been a season ticket holder for almost 30 years and have never seen a loss this bad. Even when the team was winning 13 games in the season, they never lost like this. Lack of energy and passion. Disgusting.

K.W.

January 21st, 2011
11:38 pm

Damn did the Hawks miss Al tonight. Sure LD has changed some things this season, but boy did this game have WOODSON written all over it.

Rev in Tampa

January 21st, 2011
11:39 pm

MC,

Will you ask LD what specifically Teague must do to earn 20+ minutes of playing time?

cp

January 21st, 2011
11:41 pm

Same ol tired excuses from the Hawks. They have been saying the same thing for years now after games like this. I know teams have bad nights but the Hawks seem to have more than the average good team. This game showed the true lack of depth. Sund and company talked about how they improved the bench but the bench still stinks. The Hawks are known to put their heads down when they get hit in the mouth and tonight was another one of those games. This is why the Hawks dont get that respect they want. And is Sund still on vacation? smdh

jgsbrids

January 21st, 2011
11:43 pm

don’ miss too many hawks games..i’m glad this was one of the ones for this year…raced home from my sons b-ball practice-turn on the tv and it’s 70-41! woww! that’s pretty bad! all this did was cancel out our big win in miami. come on hawks–you’re better than this!

Scoop

January 21st, 2011
11:50 pm

Let me help you out MC,

The Hawks lack a true facilitator on offense. Bibby camps on the 3 point line and the dude is extremely streaky-one week he can not miss and the other he is a liability on both ends of the floor. Jamal is very good off the p&r but only to create his own shot, not to get teammates open ones. Joe is a very underrated, highly skilled passer but his assists mainly come off of double teams and not dribble penetration.

So what teams do is clog the paint against us-this leaves guys wide open on the perimeter, but when Bibby is cold as ice and Smoove can not resist, there is a trickle down effect and when your seeing brick after brick and your defense is slipping then you will occasionally have a disaster of a game like tonight.

Do not get me wrong, the effort was atrocious. Even when the game was competitive we were getting dominated on the glass and settling for too many jump shots, so it was only a matter of time before our will were broken.

Which brings me to my point-we need a true facilitating point guard. The problem is we can not and should not give up our core. Steve Nash seems like the perfect fit, but I do not know what it would take to pry him from Phoenix. Maybe Jamal’s expiring contract, Zaza(an affordable big man still with some upside), and a first rounder.

In summary, without a facilitating PG that can penetrate and create offense this team will be forced to settle for the 3 point shot when teams clog the paint. Other options would include pushing the tempo and getting more fast break baskets or going back to the old iso joe offense and posting up Joe on the wing or creating a mismatch by moving Smoove up to the SF and post him up against a smaller defender to command a double team. Regardless, an adjustment has to be made and that is what LD has been doing well all year so I am not worried whatever happens…….

O'Brien

January 21st, 2011
11:50 pm

“Boos rained down on the Hawks when they left the floor.”MC .

Did JJ say he doesnt care if fans show up for the next game? :smile:

My issue with the Hawks is I dont think these losses bother any of them the way it should. (imo) None of the players will lay into their teamates and get them mad about their performance, nobody to show consistent leadership. And too many excuses.

And then they will come out and beat Charlotte tomorrow night, and pretend like everything is fine.

Atlanta Fawkers

January 21st, 2011
11:52 pm

I love all the empty seats! This team cares more about partying than winning. I know because my friends see them out ALL OVER ATLANTA. Bet you they are out tonight looking to get their Tiger Woods on.

LOSERS!!

Chad

January 21st, 2011
11:55 pm

Ever had a bad day at work? My god, relax fans.

Ramon

January 21st, 2011
11:55 pm

Rev, I think the answer will have to be play good for 10 minutes first, lol.

John

January 21st, 2011
11:56 pm

The Hawks suck…anyone that pays $$ to see them is a chump! If you love the NBA and want to see the opposing team then fine but this franchise will never make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs at best. If you want to win then show it and go for a Carmelo trade and get rid of Josh Smith.

J.J.M

January 22nd, 2011
12:13 am

TRADE FOR STEVE NASH

slimjr

January 22nd, 2011
12:13 am

59 points, the lowest output in 43 years!!!! WFT!!!!! Congratulations SUND you are about to surpass Billy Knight as the worst GM IN HAWKS HISTORY……..Hawks fans you ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait, the playoff BEATDOWN IS COMING REAL SOON……..OMG………………………..

slimjr

January 22nd, 2011
12:18 am

NEWS FLASH! AL and Marvin would have made no difference! They can’t beat the winning teams often.(5-11) against the winners…LOOKOUT, the playoffs are coming soon!! It’’s gonna be horrific!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clyde

January 22nd, 2011
12:26 am

What’s the excuse now?

I think Hawks ownership need to just face the facts. This team has gone as far as it can go with the players we have.

Clyde

January 22nd, 2011
12:32 am

Bring Billy back. Anything is better than Sund right now.

New contracts for Joe, Marvin, Bibby, and Zaza. Signing Powell, Etan Thomas, and Mo Evans as free agents.

Fire Sund

Section 303

January 22nd, 2011
12:35 am

I’m a seven year season ticket holder and I am making the road trip to Charlotte tomorrow. F these guys. What a debacle. They can say ‘there will be days like this” all they want, but really…no other team goes through games like this. This team will never change. Born losers. F them. They do not deserve the fans they have (the few fans they have).

Wish I could cancel my trip tomorrow, but all is prepaid.

Clyde

January 22nd, 2011
12:37 am

Bibby

0-7 FG
0-5 Three pointers
0 Rbs
0 steals
1 assist

Tell me that cat ain’t robbin the bank.

Clyde

January 22nd, 2011
12:43 am

Ok Marvin and Al were out. What was the excuse for getting swept by the Magic when we had everyone healthy?

Big Daddy

January 22nd, 2011
12:44 am

“We couldn’t make shots and we just panicked,” L.D. said. “We just lost our composure. Then we had defensive breakdowns and the game just slipped away from us.” Slipped away!!! Getting beat by 14 points is the game slipping away. Getting beat by 41 shows a total lack of preparation and effort. When have, this season, Boston, Orlando, Miami, LA or San Antonio loss a game by 41 points or even close to that. If you want to call yourself an elite team, you have to play like one.

I don’t know who is next, but if the players don’t come out an put the beatdown on them, they will have shown a lack of intestinal fortitude. You don’t have games like this if you are a contender. The coaches make adjustments to the game plan and if players don’t follow them, they end up on the bench. Most of all, you turn up the defense to slow the other team down and work basic plays to get shots and get your groove and confidence up. None of this happened in the game.

This is most unfortunate as I believed that the Hawks, after the Miami game were starting to turn things around and make a statement. Although this is only one game, it is one game they should not have had.

Air Zaza

January 22nd, 2011
12:48 am

This team sucks. They might be very talented but they just suck as a team. I don’t get it, this team has peaked but they can’t go backwards because they are too far in terms of being cap-tied. They can only go forward. Do what you can to get Melo and Nene in a packaged deal with Smoove and Marvin.

Section 303

January 22nd, 2011
12:49 am

Hawks are a fraud. Nothing has changed since the Orlando series last year. My only wish right now is to be able to tell the fraud players on this team just what pieces of sh#t I think they are.

They should refund the money of every fan in Philps tonight.

Hawks = fraud. Enough said.

Section 303

January 22nd, 2011
12:54 am

Really, I should be mad at myself. Making the 4-hour drive tomorrow to watch them get their asses kicked by the Bobcats.

You know, the Bobcats. Every team loses to them, right? No? Hawks suck.

slimjr

January 22nd, 2011
12:54 am

GARBAGE………….Playoffs?? PLAYOFFS???

I feel for ya Section303. I won’t waste a dime on that garbage…….

slimjr

January 22nd, 2011
12:57 am

The Great Charlse Barkley quote”Don’t break your ankles as you jump off the Hawks bus.’ He made this statement on local radio back in October 2010….He sounds like a prophet after this debacle!!

Clyde

January 22nd, 2011
12:58 am

4 hour drive to watch the Hawks

#wheredeydodatat

Section 303

January 22nd, 2011
12:59 am

This team sucks. I’m just glad my wife and I are meeting up with close friends from Charlotte tomorrow.

If it makes any of you feel better, we are sitting alomost behind the Hawks bench tomorrow night. I’m planning on booing them with all I have.

I hate this team.

Section 303

January 22nd, 2011
1:00 am

Clyde, no one ever said I was smart. The fact that I am making that trip tomorrow proves that.

Worldwide Clyde

January 22nd, 2011
1:00 am

We need JeJe to give is analysis of the game

FIRE SUND

slimjr

January 22nd, 2011
1:01 am

ESPN fixin to put this ish up on National TV..YOUR ATLANTA HAWKS!! WHAT A JOKE..A NIGHTMARE FOR HAWKS FANS…..

Sund=idiot

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Publix

January 22nd, 2011
1:04 am

Way to go Hawks!!!!

You go and beat Miami, then you get whooped by NO! HOW??????? It’s all about coaching and having the right mentality.

We need a new coach! We need a new GM! We need a new LEADER!

Keep Smith, Horford, Wilkins, Crawford and Collins!

Trade Johnson to New York for Gallinari!
Trade Bibby and Williams to Charlotte for Livingston and Tyrus Thomas.
Trade Zaza, Teague and Evans to Minnesota for Brewer.

Starting Lineup:

PG-Livingston/JC2
SG-Crawford/Wilkins
SF-Gallinari/Brewer
PF-Smith/Thomas
C-Horford/Collins

Now you have a hungry young core who are willing to die for each other an NO pretty boys who are inconsistant.

Come on now, make it happen!

slimjr

January 22nd, 2011
1:04 am

Scored 25 points in the second half..BRUTAL.JUST BRUTAL………………..I am done…..going to sleep now….Shoot…..

NorcalHawk

January 22nd, 2011
1:33 am

If this team doesn’t play with passion, they don’t beat anyone. We barely squeaked out a victory over the Kings at home, after sleepwalking through three quarters. Would have been tough to beat a hot Hornet team anyway, but this kind of lay down effort is the last thing I expected after the Miami game.
The Hawks are hands down the most schizophrenic team in the NBA.

ben

January 22nd, 2011
1:50 am

FIRE LARRY DREW! There’s too much talent on this team to forgive a loss like this. If we aren’t going to have a leader on the court, then we need a leader in coaching. One or the other. We can’t have a team without a player who is willing to lead AND an impotent coach. Take all the starters out and let the bench play for one entire game and see how quickly Smith will stop whining and start playing like a man.

E43

January 22nd, 2011
2:12 am

1) i think zaza pachulia is more efficient than jason collins and the stats prove it.
2) i have concluded that the hawks play poorly in the playoffs because of playing their starters too many minutes which is not a surprise.
3) also id rather have atlanta develop the bench and have our starters ready for the playoffs than spending all the energy we have one a top seed and end up going home early. or another 7 game series.

Ew

January 22nd, 2011
2:17 am

It’s past time to shake up the roster. Nash could save our season, energize the fan base and make us dangerous in the playoffs. Bibby can finish his career at home and Marvin could be mentored by Grant Hill. It’s a win/win/win.

northcyde

January 22nd, 2011
2:19 am

I’ve played in a game like this, when we were supposedly a good team back in high school. Actually, we were ranked 10th in the state, then got blasted by 31 points by a team supposedly inferior to us. We couldn’t do anything right that night. The next day, coach briefly talked about the game, told us to forget about it, and we won 10 in a row before losing in the State tournament.

It is what it is. Ish happens.

It just proves that while we can survive without JJ ( because of Jamal’s scoring ability ) . . and we can survive without Smith ( because Horford can slide to PF ) . . we are extra vulnerable without Horford ( because both Zaza and Collins are below average centers ).

No excuse for losing to ANY TEAM by 40 points. But the lack of depth at center really came to a head tonight.

northcyde

January 22nd, 2011
2:24 am

And it’s hilarious how all of these new names just “pop up” after a loss like this. It’s probably 3 people responsible for about 5 names apiece.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

January 22nd, 2011
3:17 am

Utterly embarrassing. I agree with the bibby, marvin for nash trade. We need a savvy and true pg not now but right now.

Wow Hawks!

January 22nd, 2011
3:43 am

“Atlanta Hawks: Quietly making their case for respect”

Atlanta Hawks: Quickly Remind Folks To Think Otherwise

sam'l

January 22nd, 2011
4:06 am

The Hawks players should be seriously thinking about their professional integrity. You can’t get beaten by forty points and be considered worthy. Yet, there are comments about how everyone has nights like this.

Wrong.

Only bad teams or schizophrenic good-and-bad teams get beaten by 40 points and only score 59 points.

sam'l

January 22nd, 2011
4:10 am

NorthClyde…
Once again, totally disagree with your analysis……..You won’t find San Antonio, Boston, Dallas, LA, Orlando, etc, etc beaten by 40 points and just claim, heh, heh it happens. No, this is seriously whacked!

I mean, you write with some fluidity. Try using common sense to go along with that. Your old high school basketball team has nothing to do with a professional team I’ve followed for the past 55 years.

Gilk

January 22nd, 2011
4:52 am

Scoop made some very enlightening comments about the root cause of the problem — no penetrating, facilitating PG on the roster! You nailed it my man!

I would add that it would be great if that PG in question had the foot speed and quickness to stay in front of his man on defense and stop the dribble penetration by the opposing PG. I attended the MLK gm and studied very carefully Bibby — he is the weak link of the entire Hawks defensive scheme. No Teague that game so Hawks on the floor are forced to compensate for Bibby’s inability to keep his man out of the lane.

Steve Nash would be a nice get, but at 36 yrs of age, he is a stop gap. The guy I desire for Sund to get — 27 yr old Devin Harris! 17 pts, 8 assts per gm with speed and quickness!

Sund, you can save your precious “core” AND make this team better with 1 significant trade — find a way to become the 4th team in the Nets-Nuggets-Pistons trade that delivers Melo to Brooklyn Nets! Yes you must give up Jamal’s expiring contract, Teague, a #1 pick and maybe even Zaza — but you can net Devin Harris (Nuggets don’t need him; they have Ty Lawson) and 25 yr old 7-footer Johan Petro (hell, I know you love him Sund, since you drafted him approx 7 yrs ago in Seattle as a 1st rounder!).

Would love some feedback from the fellow Hawks fans on this thought process and problem-solving trade proposal!

Glad I didn’t see in person or watch on TV this debacle! Hope they have a completely different result on Sat nite. If no big time PG on other team, Hawks r good. But if they face any team with an elite penetrating PG, all bets are off on how bad the Hawks will look!

tony

January 22nd, 2011
4:58 am

Most of you people didn’t give a flip about the hawks when the ASG refused to upgrade the team…….so why are you complaining now? Maybe if you had stuck to your guns by not attending those games maybe the ASG would have made some changes to get the fans to come back.

TRADE THE THRASHERS!!!! IN 3 TEAM DEAL

January 22nd, 2011
5:05 am

I wish Someone would listen to me in the organization. No owner should own two seperate professional sports teams(ATLANTA SPIRIT). If we want an NBA Championship. This is all we need.

2011 BLOCKBUSTER TRADE OF THE YEAR – 3 TEAM DEAL
- ATLANTA HAWKS GET CARMELO ANTHONY(DEN), TY LAWSON(DEN), ANTWAN JAMISON(CLE)

- DENVER NUGGETS GET MO WILLIAMS(CLE), J.J. HICKSON(CLE), LEON POWE(CLE), MAURICE EVANS(ATL), 2011 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICK(ATL)

- CLEVELAND CAVS GET ATLANTA THRASHERS(NHL), JEFF TEAGUE(ATL), AL HARRINGTON(DEN), SHELDEN WILLIAMS(DEN), 2011 2ND ROUND PICK(DEN)

TRADE THE THRASHERS!!!! IN 3 TEAM DEAL

January 22nd, 2011
5:06 am

2011 BLOCKBUSTER TRADE OF THE YEAR – 3 TEAM DEAL
- ATLANTA HAWKS GET CARMELO ANTHONY(DEN), TY LAWSON(DEN), ANTWAN JAMISON(CLE)

- DENVER NUGGETS GET MO WILLIAMS(CLE), J.J. HICKSON(CLE), LEON POWE(CLE), MAURICE EVANS(ATL), 2011 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICK(ATL)

- CLEVELAND CAVS GET ATLANTA THRASHERS(NHL), JEFF TEAGUE(ATL), AL HARRINGTON(DEN), SHELDEN WILLIAMS(DEN), 2011 2ND ROUND PICK(DEN)

TRADE THE THRASHERS!!!! IN 3 TEAM DEAL

January 22nd, 2011
5:07 am

2011 BLOCKBUSTER TRADE OF THE YEAR – 3 TEAM DEAL

- ATLANTA HAWKS GET CARMELO ANTHONY(DEN), TY LAWSON(DEN), ANTWAN JAMISON(CLE)

- DENVER NUGGETS GET MO WILLIAMS(CLE), J.J. HICKSON(CLE), LEON POWE(CLE), MAURICE EVANS(ATL), 2011 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICK(ATL)

- CLEVELAND CAVS GET ATLANTA THRASHERS(NHL), JEFF TEAGUE(ATL), AL HARRINGTON(DEN), SHELDEN WILLIAMS(DEN), 2011 2ND ROUND PICK(DEN)