Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 93, Heat 89
Hawks put up a fight against Wade's Heat. (Hector Gabino / el Nuevo Herald)
- Miami–This wasn’t the soft team L.D. described after the Hawks barely bothered to play defense against the Rockets and Kings.
- “We showed up tonight,” Drew said.
- The Hawks won at Miami for the first time since Dec. 12, 2008. It was their fifth straight road W and they know have 14 on the season, second only to the Heat’s 15.
- The Hawks improved to 4-6 in road games against teams with winning records.
- “Guys knew that this was going to be one of those games that sometimes you get measured on,” Jamal said. “It’s a good barometer. They are not fully healthy, but we aren’t either. We just had to kind of go with it.”
- The Hawks went into the Heat’s building and beat them at their rugged style. They won despite losing Al in the third quarter, facing a 29-14 deficit in free throws, Le Bron’s 34 points and 27 from D-Wade.
- They did it by continuing to grind when the Heat made one final push to force overtime.
- “You have to be able to play different styles, especially against the top teams,” Jamal said. “To win, we had to gut it out.”
- Every guy who made a mistake going down the stretch–J.J.’s bad turnover, Mo’s bad foul, Smoove’s bad shots, Jamal’s forced runners–did something later to win the game.
- “It showed a lot of heart, determination, growth and maturity,” J.J. said. “It was a hard-fought game. Their rotation on defense was phenomenal tonight. We just made the extra pass and were getting open shots.”
- The Hawks didn’t make many of them. The shot selection was suspect at times. They had lots of careless turnovers, especially in transition.
- Atlanta’s team defense, however, was spirited, physical and exceptional.
- “That is how you have to play a team like this, because they are going to force you to play like that,” Drew said. “If you don’t they are going to run you out of the building.”
- No Bosh for a team without much offensive depth to begin with certainly helped the Hawks’ cause but they made things difficult for Miami from start to finish. Miami shot a season-low 36 percent from the field.
- “I’ve been saying since I got here, when we help each other and everybody is on a string we are one of the top teams in the league,” Bibby said. “We did that tonight. We helped, and we rotated out and everybody was moving. When we are that active, we are real good.”
- Smoove, arms waving and feet moving, stalked James to all corners of the court. He helped make James a jump shooter and it paid off.
- “I thought he did a real good job against him,” Drew said. “He’s out there flapping around, but I do think his length bothers people. And he has the ability to erase a mistake when he gets beat off the dribble when someone goes to the basket.”
- At one point of the third quarter, Josh looked like he could barely stand while chasing LeBron through several screens on the perimeter. He stuck with it and LeBron eventually missed a long jumper.
- “It’s so hard to be able to guard so many re-screens,” Josh said. “You find your legs getting tired. They beat you up on the screens. But it’s all mental for me and I just fought through it. I wanted to suck it up and be able to stand up for my team.”
- Josh’s thunderous dunk over Joel Anthony late in regulation gave the Hawks a jolt and quieted the crowd after it looked like they would fade like last time they were here.
- “I kind of looked to the right and still saw him coming,” Smoove said. “I knew I had to finish hard because he’s a pretty good shot-blocker.”
- “We needed something to motivate and energize us,” L.D. said. “That gave us a little life. Everything we got tonight we really had to earn. We needed something to spark us and Josh came up with the big play.”
- It was clear early that J.J. was locked in for his duel with D-Wade. He shadowed the Heat’s All-Star around the court, using his size and strength to keep him away from the basket.
- “I think Joe got us going with that,” Drew said. “Watching him those first few possessions of the game against Wade, I thought he played him with his speed and played him with a physicality and started banging around in there.”
- Joe hurt the Hawks with too much iso play in the second quarter. He also threw the ball away with Atlanta up 76-75. But then he tied it on a classic Joe move: Hesitate, dart into the lane then score on a floater.
- “I knew there was a lot riding on me,” he said. “I just wanted to come up big for the squad and somehow get it into overtime and then it’s our will against theirs.”
- The Heat was disorganized after tying it at 84-84 and Joe smartly set up Jamal for a corner 3. Jamal made it, one of his six baskets after halftime. “The last two games I wasn’t as aggressive as I would have liked,” he said. “Tonight I got back on track.”
- The Hawks needed someone other than Jamal to produce off the bench and Mo delivered. After standing in the corner and missing a wide open 3 in regulation, then compounded that error by fouling James 40 feet from the basket, Mo scored the first five points of overtime for Atlanta.
- LeBron, back after missing two games with an ankle injury, got lured into taking long jumpers. The Hawks didn’t allow him many of his devastating runs at the basket.
- “LeBron started to make some shots there toward the end, but that was a game plan we decided to stay with,” Drew said. “If we were going to give up anything, let’s give up a contested jump shot as opposed to him getting to the basket. We executed that going down the stretch in the fourth quarter and in overtime we did a great job with that.”
- Al didn’t return after suffering the sprained ankle. He wasn’t in the locker room when I got in there. “I don’t know how bad it is or if he’s going to be out,” Drew said.
- It was kind of surreal to see JC2 suddenly checking into this game late in regulation. He missed a 3-point try.
MC
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slimjr
January 19th, 2011
12:45 am
FIRST!!!!!!!!!
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
12:46 am
Hey Josh you need to D up King Lebron rather than Marvina…
Booo!
January 19th, 2011
12:47 am
Third!
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
12:50 am
“The Hawks improved to 4-6 in road games against teams with winning records.”
Sund your squad STILL HAS ALONG WAY TO GO TO hang with the “BIG BOYS”.. Don’t fool your self over this win tonight!! Its just “fools gold”…
You have been a GM for how many decades? Three plus? You think you can win a Championship before you retire? NOT………………….
Booo!
January 19th, 2011
12:52 am
Joe Money! Hey, hey, Joe Moooney! *Sing it with me y’all!*… Joe Moooney! Hey, hey, Joe Mooooney! (Cash money throwback lol. It seemed fitting)
JJ has definetly been earning his checks as of late.
Great Game! We’ll be even stronger with Marvin coming off the bench.
Booo!
January 19th, 2011
12:52 am
I hope Al is OK
Booo!
January 19th, 2011
12:53 am
Bibby was good TONIGHT but we still need a new PG or we might not even make it out of the first round this year.
The Truth
January 19th, 2011
12:54 am
LD this statement:
“They had lots of careless turnovers, especially in transition”. Actually they had a total of 10 TO (much better than usual) vs. 16 TO for the Heat. I will admit that some of the TO were big because they were during critical times of the game but so were the Heat TO. So this statement could be somewhat misleading to people who didn’t watch the game IMO
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
12:54 am
‘I hope Al is OK’
Me hope too…
JJ is BALLIN! ISO JOE ISO JOE ISO JOE!!!lol
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
12:59 am
I heard 4dollar gallon gas this year!!! Outrageous…”Why dont we tap the worlds largest oil reserve. It’s called the “Green River Formation.” About 2 trillion barrels of oil. 8 thousand year supply to feed usa daily……….
Ra'mon
January 19th, 2011
12:59 am
Its all about match ups. The Heat are without a quick PG or dominant C (unlike Orlando and Boston). So the Hawks will matchup quite well with them.
I must admit LD has some huge balls putting JC2 in the game. And though it didn’t work out, I hope he’s open to doing things like that and taking chances of that nature in the future.
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
1:04 am
Larry Drew, Bibby and JC2 have all something in common. They can flat out shoot the rock! Teague cannot. Larry averaged almost 17 points a night playing the point for the kings from 81-86..He could shoot the rock. He appears to be biased against guards that cannot shoot….Just an observation from a shooting guard like myself….
Najeh Davenpoop
January 19th, 2011
1:04 am
The guy in the InventHelp commercial looks like he could be LeBron’s dad.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 19th, 2011
1:06 am
From the AP game recap, apparently the Hawks are 8-4 in games decided by 5 points or fewer, while the Heat are 1-7.
Also, the Hawks are 10-3 on the second game of a back to back. Maybe it’s time to stop looking at short rest like it’s a disadvantage.
The Truth
January 19th, 2011
1:08 am
PS
LD can you take a message to the Hawks players and tell them during TV interviews to stop saying statements like “We played good tonight”, “Joe played good tonight also”. This is totally incorrect grammar on national TV representing the Hawks. First it was Bibby saying it during a previous interview, tonight it was Jamal saying it. The team played well tonight, Joe played well also for Christ’s Sake!
Ra'mon
January 19th, 2011
1:15 am
Here’s a thought, Rose has to do EVERYTHING for the Bulls. If he doesn’t score 25 they don’t win. Or if it takes him 25 shots to score 25 points, their chances of winning is very bad. So the question is, can Rose REALISTICALLY continue this path all the way into the playoffs? Or will he flame out in April like Joe used to do so famously?
I Believe In This Team
January 19th, 2011
1:20 am
Love these ugly grinders. These boys got some heart!
Booo!
January 19th, 2011
1:26 am
I didn’t know J-Smoove studied at a Theoligical Seminary. That Joel Anthony Baptizim was awe-inspiring!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCVI1TgvHTU&feature=player_embedded
Najeh Davenpoop
January 19th, 2011
1:41 am
ESPN actually gives the Hawks some credit in the Daily Dime.
Booo!
January 19th, 2011
1:48 am
LMBO!!
I found this comment on a Heat Blog:
“how do you get 34 points with 30 shots and 11 free throws….ask Lebrick”
I guess fans are never satisified regardless of the players ha. Anyway, trade Mike Bibby
ILL-Logical
January 19th, 2011
1:50 am
Let’s see, the Hawks have been without their starting small forward for two weeks,they lost their number 2 scorer and leading rebounder half way into the game and they were on the back end of a back to back and the story line is still the Heat lost????
A statement game for the Hawks. Congratulations!
northcyde
January 19th, 2011
2:41 am
I think he can Ra’Mon. Dude is so young, that he could definitely keep up the pace he’s going at, much like how Monta Ellis does.
The Bulls do need both Noah and Boozer healthy, to make a legit run in the playoffs. That gives the Bulls the inside-outside game in the halfcourt offense. Plus Noah ad Boozer are their 2 best rebounders.
Chicago is the wild card, because no one knows how good they’ll be when they are at full strength.
northcyde
January 19th, 2011
4:13 am
Congrats to Josh Smith for being the #2 play on ESPN’s Top 10 Plays.
Also congrats to U. of Tennessee’s Brian Williams, for the rebound and putback at the buzzer to beat Georgia . . which was the #1 play of the night.
It’s always nice to see the Hawks and Vols win on the same night.
Paradise Lost
January 19th, 2011
4:29 am
northcyde
“It’s always nice to see the Hawks and Vols win on the same night.”
I second that!
Paradise Lost
January 19th, 2011
4:33 am
Watching the rebroadcast on NBATV and lmbo @ Kevin McHale 3rd qtr commentary: “Josh Smith, stop shooting the ball! Now!” LOL
cedric
January 19th, 2011
5:59 am
Hawks played a good game and got a well deserved win. Hopefully they will be able to transition that into a long streak. That Vols win was given to them by the refs. Horrible no call at the end. Dude climbed all over a UGA player’s back to get the rebound and put back.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
6:03 am
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drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
6:08 am
Horford says ankle is OK after leaving game
Al Horford (F/C) – Atlanta Hawks
(Wed, Jan 19 – 12:03am ET)
Al Horford said his sprained right ankle “will be (okay)” after leaving Tuesday’s game mid-way, and while he says he’s okay we’re going to call him questionable for Friday’s game until we get a report from somebody else.
As evidenced by the Marcus Camby’s teammates coming out and saying he was fine, and Camby saying he was fine, players often embellish when it comes to injuries. While it is good to hear Horford’s optimism, he was needed in a tight game against the Heat and couldn’t return to the court. Stay tuned.
Source: Al Horford on Twitter
McMillan could start Przybilla on Wednesday
Joel Przybilla (C) – Portland Trail Blazers
(Tue, Jan 18 – 11:57pm ET)
Joel Przybilla, who underwent major knee surgery in March after falling in the shower while rehabbing a knee surgery from last December, could become the starter in the aftermath of Marcus Camby’s knee injury according to coach Nate McMillan.
We don’t know the extent of Camby’s timetable at this time but it probably isn’t good, and it doesn’t really matter here. Przybilla had not played more than 10 minutes in any game prior to Monday night, when he played 18 minutes and had six points, seven rebounds, one assist, one steal, and one block. If you’re in need of a big man, he is worth a look as a stash for the hope he gets healthy and can provide a good amount of rebounds and blocks.
Source: The Oregonian
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4 straight losses since LeBrick’s Tweet re: Cavaliers!
Karma for the Heatles?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
6:14 am
Those posts were from: rotoworld.com Fantasy Website.
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Camby to miss 3-6 weeks and has two more years left on his contract.
9M next year and 8.5M? after that? The injury plus contract terms makes him almost untrade-able given his age. Is Portland the Knee Cemetery?
Who is their orthopedist? Fire him too? And, we thought we had a jinx?
O'Brien
January 19th, 2011
7:15 am
Great win for the Hawks. My question is why can’t we play defense like this every game? If we could play this kind of defense, we will be in every game, no matter the opponent.
We need Marvin back though, because games like this takes a lot out of JJ and Josh having to guard LeBron. Speaking of Marvin, it seems like you never hear the team say “we missed Marvin” or “we can’t wait to get Marvin back.”
O'Brien
January 19th, 2011
7:18 am
As for the playoffs, injuries to other teams could make things easier for the Hawks as the season continues.
1) Miami relies so much on their big 3, if one of their guys are out, they are in trouble.
2) Boston is old, so who knows if their guys will be healthy
3) Bulls (Noah and Boozer) are injury prone
4) We have shown we can beat Orlando
Meanwhile, Hawks are closing in on the #3 seed.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
7:28 am
The Best Damned Blog – Period!
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Wow! I Just got eye cramps from reading that Magic blog! There is no way I could tolerate all that b!tching, whining, ranting and personal attacking for more than 3 minutes worth! Whew! They hate:
Sporon / LeBrick / Lazy-Wade / Iso-Play and everything in between!
Here is a Sample:
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our Majesty SpoelstraSux
January 19, 2011 at 1:45 am
I can’t fully support Wade until he returns to his unselfish ways. I have witnessed to much of his lazy D, complaining to the officials, passing up game winners, taking games off to rest fake injuries, and his lack of effort to improve his game. Plus I am still an upset fan over the way he treated Beas and how he came to camp out of shape last year. He is a tremendous talent but not talented enough for me to overlook these flaws!
kbboy80
January 19, 2011 at 1:40 am
The biggest problem with this team, aside from the ongoing injuries, is not having an offensive scheme to rely on imo. Even during the streaks, win or lose, its still too much playground ball. The off the ball movement is limited. Moving the ball itself ahs increased, but what good is it if nobody is moving properly without the ball? Thats not about spacing or creating, thats about tactics. The players need better designs on the floor. Wade said it best, at some point in time, the offense needs to be able to score for us, not just relying on one on one and God given talents. With LBJ and Wade on the floor, theres no reason Joel shouldnt have been able to get an easy layup somewhere in the game. Instead, we don’t run great cuts to the basket or many off the ball cuts, we just wait for LBJ and Wade to make plays for everyone and watch our big men go pick and pop. Spo has gotten somewhat better in certain areas ( hes plays after timeouts and dead balls are soooo much better, tho if u ask me Riley probably showed him a few) but he needs to sit down and understand we dont just lose because of injuries, or effort. If he installs a proper and fitting offense, be it the triangle the princeton or whatever, I dont care, then he will reach the full potential of his team, bench players and all.
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Multiply that times 1,000 re-posts. We Hawks fans have by far the most intelligent bloggers in the world. This is a Grown Man’s Blog! Loaded with stats and facts and logic and unbelievable intellect! I appreciate you fellas more than words can say! I Thank God, that I can come here and be a Hawks Fan to discuss our team, esp. after scrolling through all that garbage. There was not one comment about any plays in that game whatsoever.
Whew! Have a Great Day my friends.
Ra'mon
January 19th, 2011
7:36 am
Northcyde, Monta does his production in an up and down game. Rose gets his in a slow, methodical type of system that requires intense defense. I’m sure he probably can though. Its just something to keep an eye on. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them drop down to the 6th spot before the playoffs start.
Ra'mon
January 19th, 2011
7:41 am
Drmaryb, I know this is off subject from Camby. But I was just thinking the SA Spurs have to be the luckiest franchise in the league. A perennial playoff team’s best player goes down for an entire season, and it leads to the #1 pick in a draft that features arguably the greatest college player of the decade (or since Alcindor). That one unfortunate season of D. Robinson’s knee (I think it was his knee) lead to a decade of dynasty.
Ra'mon
January 19th, 2011
7:43 am
O’Brien, Hawks are closing in on the #2 seed.
dukester
January 19th, 2011
7:43 am
First as always with me find away to trade Marvin
Second Josh I am your biggest fan man i will defend you until the end. BUT STOP SHOOTING JUMPERS!!! You were 5/17 from the field we cant win like that. Jamal, Joe and Bibby are the only ones with the green light mane!!
Third Sund we Sam Dalembert or Jason Thompson in here man some how some way. If we had a center last night we would have blew Miami out their center got 16 rebounds on us man wake up.
Trojan
January 19th, 2011
7:48 am
MC: Try to ask LD why Teague gets no burn at all.
Ra'mon
January 19th, 2011
7:58 am
Isn’t it about time to give Bibby a game off? Rather he’s healthy or not just give him a night off.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
8:26 am
Dukester said this:
“Third Sund we Sam Dalembert or Jason Thompson in here man some how some way.”
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ROF-LOL!
If those two couldn’t dominate the Hawks faux Centers for their team? What in the hell can they do for the Hawks? Where is the LOGIC? Horford blocked Thompson on the block! Dalembert is lazier than Derrick Coleman was in his day! You need to read the story on Dalembert – he is garbage!
If those two were any good their team wouldn’t be 9-25 this season.
Get Real!
JChikara
January 19th, 2011
8:28 am
I’m happy for the win, on the road, against a top level team (despite not having Bosh) but the Hawks have to continue playing D like this on a regular basis. I really don’t see many teams in the East (sans Boston) who can hang with Atlanta when they play this kind of defense.
I really believe that this team has bought into what Larry Drew is telling them, and that goes a long way. If he can now figure out how to balance out his PG rotation (because Bibby’s gotta get some rest during this point of the season) they will obtain more depth for the playoff stretch run.
Rev in Tampa
January 19th, 2011
8:29 am
northcyde,
You ought to be ashamed at your gloating over that Tennessee win. That was the worst no call I’ve ever seen. Georgia, by all rights, won that game.
I’ve not followed Georgia basketball all that closely, but it is good to see them having a good season after the hole that Herrick put that program in while he was there.
Rev in Tampa
January 19th, 2011
8:31 am
northcyde,
on another note, the question that you posed for MC regarding what Teague would have to do to earn 20+ minutes of playing time was brilliant. I am watching for that rare moment when MC is on the blog to pose it to him.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
8:32 am
Oh Yeah! Anthony got 16 rebounds mainly because Al’s left ankle was in a bucket of ice for most of the 2nd half! Keep it Real!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
8:39 am
Ra’mon
Great Post re: The Spurs getting Tim Duncan. If Terry Stotts didn’t. Win those last 4 meaningless games in a 13 win season! We get Dwight Howard.
Talk about a dumb azz! Geez! And we still would’ve got Josh sitting there @ 17th pick.
Talk about Dumb-Luck hugh?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
8:47 am
Joe had 10 assists! Fantastic player, NEVER a selfish bone in his body. Even with the Iso-Plays last year? That was Woodson’s offensive scheme and not indicative of Joe being selfish. So squash all that hate!
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Al Horford, turned his left ankle inward, that is hard to do. Usually, that ting goes outward 99% of the time. He should be able to suit up for the next game, no problem.
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What is Marvin’s problem? That bruised back didn’t look all that serious to me, and I am a spinal specialist. He landed on his big butt for crying out loud. That is a lot of insulation back there. Is he pouting re: coming off the bench? Can he not play with some pain? No one plays at 100% – ever! He better be careful, his team is winning 9-1 last ten games without him. Marvin is very replaceable, that defense was stellar last night. Bibby and Month stepped up. Damien played great on defense too. Marvin is more trade-able than Jamal!
KevinM
January 19th, 2011
9:06 am
OB, you asked why we can’t play defense like this every night? It has to be their mental approach. They saw the Rockets and Kings as wins going into it, before they gave the effort to get a split. Giving the Kings 62 points in a half? They deserved to be chewed out.
It must be impossible to be motivated for every game, but apparently, some teams can do it?
I gotta say you know there is talent on this team, but who shows to use their talent every night is the unknown. One more big piece would make this team very formidable.
Hawks start the 2nd half of the season like they mean business. They have handled Marvin being out fairly well. Mo has had some good moments in his absence.
The Hawks held their own last night, and were able to keep the Heat on the perimeter. That team seems to want to settle for the long jumper too much. That has to change.
There were over 60 3 pointers last night….that’s a stat for 2 teams willing to settle and not battle in the lane for points. What keeps the Heat in games? They have 2 guys ranked in the top 3 in free throws attempted. That is an incredible amount of free throws.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
9:07 am
You tell ‘im Rev!
How in the the name of James Naismith is that not over the back?
@ Home in the “Fox Den” no less…..
referees…..@ least their mothers still love ‘em, I reckon?
KevinM
January 19th, 2011
9:12 am
Some of the amazing stats last night:
Hawks had 95 shots at the basket, the Heat had 77
Hawks had 14 FTs attempted, the Heat 29…that sounds normal for a road game.
Really, the Hawks should have had an easier time. That number of field goal attempts is a disparity as the Hawks actually shot better than the Heat?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
9:13 am
Jason Thompson “Nimbers” 2010 – 2011
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PTS 286
PPG 8.4
RPG 5.90
APG 0.8
SPG 0.30
BPG 0.40
Rebounds 199
Assists 27
Steals 10
Blocks 15
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We don’t need that!
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Dalembert “Nimbers” are even worse, not worth posting them all, but here is his main lines:
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PPG 5
RBG 6
Blocks 61
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We can live without that too! A waste of time even posting this stuff!
We need to play defense every possession like we did last night, and not give up talent for lateral talent or worse talent, regardless of position!
If it’s NOT a PG or Center that will upgrade, why do anything at all.
Oh and BTW: Jason Thompson is a F and NOT a Center! We don’t need another F!!!!!!!!!!
Double Zero Eight
January 19th, 2011
9:13 am
Larry Drew thus far has proven to be competent.
The players have bought into his system. The
players now appear to be paying close attention
to him during the timeouts. In the past, they
appeared aloof in many instances. Drew has
appareently resigned himself to the fact that
there will not be a trade of any significance,
and is molding the current roster that he has
into what he wants it to be during the playoffs.
It was good the see the Hawks going inside
the paint with purpose and intensity during the
last minute. They should make this more of a habit.
KevinM
January 19th, 2011
9:17 am
The Vols and Georgia? That was a decent no call…them ‘em play, the ball never touched the goal, so Williams was wise enough to reach for it, unlike Barnes, who stayed flatfooted not knowing where the ball was.
Big win for the Vols and that tightens up the SEC East that much more. No one is running away with it this year. My Cats have a challenge on their hands this year with the improved talent in the SEC. Bama played very well last night for the most part.
How would sharpshooter Brandon Knight look on the Hawks’ roster? He doesn’t have it figured out yet, but he is going to get it together under Cal.
Double Zero Eight
January 19th, 2011
9:17 am
Spelled “apparently” incorrectly in previous post.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
9:18 am
On Josh shooting:
If Joe goes 4 for 20 no-one says stop shooting.
Josh has improved his shot so much that he does not need to stop,
but he does need to “-THINK-” ! Not during his shot but before he even catches the ball. Time, spot on floor, situation, etc.. Six inches inside the arc = bad shot.
One other note…Josh has returned to launching rather than his
newfound jumper from this summer. He needs to watch some videeo and
whomever is the shot Coach needs to have a refresher course. Kinda
like a hitter – he’s in a slump and it’s fixable.
*[if it were Chipper he would call in Big Larry]
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
9:31 am
KevinM
At no time can you let a team win a game with a no call.
That is a foul at any point of the game so why a no call?
Who cares if the player is flat footed he had inside pos.
Egregious and more so for you to try and explain it away!
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
9:48 am
On Bibby:
I’m becoming more and more of a Bibby fan.
Please hear me out.
As I mentioned yesterday;
he’s 2nd on our team ((+/-).
He is to us what Derek Fisher is to the Lakers.
Think about Josh’s dunk last eve:
It was the spark that most likely put us over the hump.
Who delivered the assist pass? Bibby of course.
And it was no “run o’ the mill” easy pass.
Difficult angle, bounce pass, delivered beautifully.
At the beginning of the year, I couldn’t imagine that I would be
typing these words. I was ready to trade MB ASAP. However, I’m
coming around. And I’ve always admired D.Fisher. Bibby is in better
shape is playing better defense (he plays defense with his head/brain)
and because he is in better shape [legs] his shot is superb.
All we need is a tough hard nosed defender @ pg to spell him.
*[these thoughts pertain to this yr as we are a title contender NOW ]
Carlos
January 19th, 2011
9:56 am
drmaryb – for someone who loves logic so much, how can you say that a big part of why Joel Anthony had 16 rebounds is because Al got injured, when in fact Anthony had 5 boards in the first alone (meaning he was on pace for 20 after 1 quarter of play) and 9 total all before Horford’s injury?
Trojan
January 19th, 2011
10:01 am
I like Bibby also. He had a lot to offer a team. He is a deadly shooter. He is a steadying influence. But he is limited. Therefore, he should be a role player. He is bad a defense and bad at pushing the ball and penetrating. He simply is not very athletic in a sport that has the best athletes in the world.
Kerry
January 19th, 2011
10:05 am
Hawks played a great game against Miami, Joe was awesome, Playing like an allstar, Jamal came through for us when we needed him, Josh doing what he do best, I am proud of them, I hope they can keep it up! (We beat the heat!!!
O'Brien
January 19th, 2011
10:08 am
Ra’mon, dmb,
Imagine how different things might have been if the Celtics had gotten the #1 pick and Tim Duncan. I think Rick Pitino was looking forward to coaching him in Boston.
KevinM,
The numbers (10-3 on second nights of back to backs) suggest that when the Hawks are a little tired, they play with more focus. Maybe thats why LD doesnt mind playing them so many minutes in the first game of a back to back.
Win or lose, one of the things I give LD credit for. There is an offensive system in place, that if executed correctly, should lead to a decent shot for the Hawks (although playing a good defensive team makes it a more difficult shot).
SteveW
January 19th, 2011
10:08 am
Najeh – Co-sign about back to backs with this team. They seem to play better with less rest.
Rip Hamilton has been benched the last 4 games. If LD won’t play Teague, I wish Sund and the capologists could get the numbers to work for a Teague/Rip trade. But I don’t see a way with the cap/trade rules it can happen.
We can’t even do Duhon for Teague with the rules… We could do Teague/Mo’ for Duhon. But I’m not a big Duhon fan.
Great Win!!!! Go Hawks!!! Play Jeff Teague!!!
Remember, Jordan came in before Teague a few games ago in the 4th. I wondered then if JC2 had not leapfrogged Teague in LD’s mind. Last night showed he might have.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
10:09 am
Trojan
I agree – best athletes in the world.
I also say Basketball is the -Ultmate Team- sport.
Therefore players like Derek Fisher et al are priceless!
SteveW
January 19th, 2011
10:09 am
O’Brien – Imagine if Len Bias hadn’t have died…
Rufus1
January 19th, 2011
10:10 am
“Is Portland the Knee Cemetery?”….LMBO
SteveW
January 19th, 2011
10:11 am
Grandad – In a poll in the Olympics among the athletes a couple of Olympics ago, they asked them to rate the best athletes. I thought it would be gymnasts or Decathletes. Olympians said NBA players were the best athletes in the world, combining strength and stamina. It was reported they run 5-6 miles a night, sprint, and are strong.
Ken Strickland
January 19th, 2011
10:14 am
If a person is geared to finding something to complain about, I’m certain last nights gm will provide something to focus on. But for everyone else, this was the kind of gm this team has always been capable of playing. It just proves that our TEAM DEF issues have less to do with personnel or ability, and more to do with a lack of proper attitude and committment.
GREAT GAME AND GREAT WIN HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Now let’s see if we can avoid approaching our upcoming gm with the same lack of energy and committment to playing DEF that we demonstrated against the Clippers. Against the Clippers we were looking ahead to Miami, and now we might be too focused on what we accomplished last night in Miami to take our next opponent seriously.
Sautee
January 19th, 2011
10:14 am
Carlos,
Your explanation is no more logical.Yes, Anthony had 5 early boards. But Horford had 9 rebounds in only 20 minutes. If Horford and Anthony had the same number of rebounds BEFORE Horford’s injury, then it would be “logical” to think they would likely split the remaining rebounds for the game, or end up with roughly the same.
Ken Strickland
January 19th, 2011
10:23 am
I missed the 1st half, but if Bibby held his own on DEF in the 1st half like I saw him do in the 2nd, I take my hat off to him. It also appears that MEvans is starting to regain his confidence and get his legs under him.
I’ll bet all of the JSmith distractors can’t say he can’t play individual man to man DEF after the way his worked against LeBrat.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
10:24 am
SteveW
HS players run 3+ miles each game.
ILL-Logical
January 19th, 2011
10:32 am
Being somewhat giddy with last night’s win, I thought what if:
1.LD moved JC2 to the point and developed him into a Chauncy Billups type of PG because of his size and scoring ability. All he would need to be devloped would be leadership skills.
2.Jeff Teague was traded for Jason Thompson. the big JT is 24,6′11″,weighs 250 lbs and does play 5-was at the Kings game- and much better than the “faux center” of the hawks. What the Hawks need is a 5 who can and will protect the rim, can run the floor ,board-especially at the offensive end- and not fumble the ball when passed to wide open under the basket. The kid can do this; plus he is still under his rookie K so he is cheap(music to management’s ears)
3. Have a consistent line up that is not based on protecting ASA’s All Star status. If Josh is going to be the strting 3 then have prayer meeting with him about shot selection that includes a clearly defined offensive role that keeps his head in the game. This where Jason thompson comes in: there is another player who can protect the rim besides Josh,therefore he doesn’t have to guard his man and the rim as is the case presently.
Just some random thoughts induced my pot game euphoria.
ILL-Logical
January 19th, 2011
10:33 am
er,post game euphoria
Geemack
January 19th, 2011
10:35 am
How in the world do the Hawks commit only 4 more fouls than the Heat (22 to 18)? Yet the Heat shoots 15 more free throws than the Hawks? In the famous words of Ed Lover….C’mon Son!
Great game Hawks.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
10:36 am
Carlos
Logic would also suggest that since J.Anthony had 8 off rebs
against a small line-up for much of the 2nd half + OT then
he would have -MOST- likely -NOT- [logically speaking] gotten
most of those 8 offensive boards had Big Al been in the game!
logically speaking, of course.
Ra'mon
January 19th, 2011
10:36 am
Does anyone think Detroit would take Josh Powell and Etan for B. Wallace (who’s been injured of late)? Wallace has another year left on his contract at $2 mil. While Powell and Etan’s deals expire this off season. Having Wallace on the bench with Collins and Zaza could be huge.
Daniel
January 19th, 2011
10:50 am
maryb- I hope you are right about Al. Marvin’s back has long been an issue, and as you know that “big butt” is also an exagerated lordotic curve in his spine. I have long been suspect that this back thing was going to really hamper his career, still hope I am wrong.
Unfortunately, Marvin is much LESS trade-able than Jamal. JC has an expiring contract and is actually playing well, those are things teams want. Marvin is hurt, relegated to the bench and has a long contract, not an easy thing to move and get any value.
Rufus1
January 19th, 2011
10:58 am
Fact of the Day…
14-9 on the road…That is tied for 2nd in the entire NBA.
14-6 at home…
The Hawks are a balanced team that can win anywhere…If we are not elite, then we are very, very close.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
11:01 am
ILL-Logical;
I hate to disagree with you but Thompson is a puss…..
err…’scuse me…this political corectness stuff…kitten.
JC2 is not a pg. However, he is maybe our best trade chip!!!
If not traded, look for more PT 2nd half of season.
Players who could help us win a championship * This yr * :::::
(1) Troy Murphy (stretches floor & rebounds)
(2) Kyle Lowry (tough, hard nosed defender @ pg)
(3) Nene Hilario (his last name tickles me) + (rugged center)
***** There are some others as well, these 3 make sense
and are supposedly available at some cost *****
(4,5,6,7) Julian Wright, L.Barbosa, J.Dorsey, Amir Johnson
Toronto going no-where ***** any one of these would fill a need!
ILL-Logical – respectfully speaking as always & euphoric as well.
Daniel
January 19th, 2011
11:03 am
Grandad- I agree with you about Bibby. I think he is playing much better than he gets credit for on here.
Ken Strickland- I don’t think Josh playing the 3 is that he is a “poor” perimeter defender, its just that when he get to play in the lane more on the defensive end he is DPOY calibre.
Josh has been decent all year wherever he has been asked to play.
Daniel
January 19th, 2011
11:07 am
Grandad of your names… L. Barbosa is the most interesting.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
11:14 am
Daniel
We need to package Marv with one of the pups and wish him well.
Even if the return is .50 cents on the dollar.
Zaza is a fan favorite and mine as well but some teams are looking
for a Big, with the way Big Jase is playing package him also.
Let’s go for it – Mr Sund.
Do you have some nuggets or nougat?
*[nougat/definition - soft brittle candy sometimes containing fruit]
KevinM
January 19th, 2011
11:17 am
Grandad, one more comment on the UT/UGA game…..had Barnes shown some effort to go for the ball instead of pushing backwards, perhaps there would have been an OT. I have no issue with a smart play that Williams made, and Barnes isn’t getting the benefit of a bump when Williams is going for the ball. You take your chance at that point and Williams did his job.
OB, strange that the Hawks look so unenergized in front ends of a back to back instead of trying to expose the Kings’ weaknesses, which are many. They did get a good jump on the Heat last night, so they had a shot from the get-go. While good to see them hang on, we know Miami’s bumps and bruises didn’t help their cause. But that’s life in the NBA.
In a 7 game series, the Hawks have a lot of prove seeing the same lineup game after game. The desire for a 4th seed is gonna be a stretch for this team in the 2nd half.
And Pitino gambled and lost when he left Kentucky. He gave up on Chauncey as well. So much for the Pitino legacy in Boston.
Now games like last night will tell Sund that everything is fine as is….ticks me off too.
SteveW
January 19th, 2011
11:17 am
Grandad – Yea, HS’s don’t play as long of games, and it’s not s fast paced.
Great move by LD to intimidate LeBron! JC2 is the one who slammed on ‘Bron while at Xavier. It went viral all over the ‘Net. Good head game by LD!
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
11:18 am
Daniel
*package Zaza -NOT- Big Jason!!!!!
*RePeaT*
*package ZAZA ~NOT~ I say ~NoT~ {{{ BIG JASE }}} ! ! !
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
11:20 am
Marvina Williams=A GREAT WNBA MVP CANDIDATE!
JeJe
January 19th, 2011
11:21 am
Why exactly did Jordan Crawford play last night?
Josh Smith’s performance at the 3 shows he is capable of being our small forward
FIRE SUND
TRADE DUCK
Rev in Tampa
January 19th, 2011
11:22 am
With Month playing at a higher level lately, Marvin coming off the bench when Collins starts, and Jamal running the point, the Hawks have upgraded their depth significantly.
drmaryb, I was wondering why you were calling Evans “Month”, but now I know. Blackberry changes his first name to Month automatically. Furthermore, I can’t use Larry Drew’ initials since Blackberry automatically changes it to today’s date. The Hawks as currently constructed are not Blackberry friendly.
JeJe
January 19th, 2011
11:22 am
JUST TRADE TEAGUE ALREADY
TEAGUE FOR JASON THOMPSON
POWELL FOR JASON WILLIAMS OR DUHON
bfred
January 19th, 2011
11:23 am
Nothing to say anything about the Hawks that hasn’t been already, but on the UGA/UT game I haven’t heard anyone mention the no-calll goaltending by UT a couple of minutes before the no-call over the back. GA was screwed twice.
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
11:24 am
Marvina for Montel Ellis
Duck kick rocks
it was a terrible #2 Lottery Pick!
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
11:28 am
Sund must have pictures. This Buster has won nothing in 31 years as a GM!! Appears to operate in mediocrity..
Sund=Knight take a hike…
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
11:30 am
“The Hawks as currently constructed are not Blackberry friendly.’
LOL!
Ken Strickland
January 19th, 2011
11:31 am
GRANDAD-Your last post proves you’re nothing but a DIRTY OLD MAN, welcome to the club.
Players that don’t have good shot blocking skills usually try to develop their man to man DEF skills. Players with good shot blocking skills tend to rely on that skill, and tend not to work on developing their man on man DEF skills.
When near the basket, Smoove seems to rely on his shot blocking skills, but when he’s away from the basket, he demonstrates very good one on one DEF ability.
I’m also a big Bibby fan, just not as our starting or Primary PG. I just think we should incorporate JTeague into the mix so that we can get more combined overall production out of both players and the position. If used properly, we should be able to reduce Bibby’s mins and still get close to his current 10PPG and 4APG production.
Teagues numbers show he could approach Bibby’s current numbers with increased mins. Consider this: BIBBY/TEAGUE
MPG-30.4/11.7, PPG-10/4, APG-4/1.8, 3FG%-.476/.357, 2FG%-.422/.476, FT%-.65/.83, FTAPG-1.0/1.1.
When you consider that Bibby plays almost 18 more CONSISTENT MPG, and playS
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
11:32 am
SteveW
Yes, I know, I was just adding on.
About 20 yrs or so ago I saw a similar study about HS.
I was agreeing all the way!
Pound for pound Barkley was amazing @ his size.
Iverson…imagine if he were a soccer player?
Wilt in his day [ran the hurdles].
It goes on and on.
‘northcyde’ will know about Percy Howard collegiate B-ball player…
1st rookie to catch a TD pass in the SuperBowl “Let’s Go Peay” !
Sautee
January 19th, 2011
11:33 am
Ill-logical,
About this statement: “Have a consistent line up that is not based on protecting ASA’s All Star status.”
Why in the WORLD would LD try to “protect” Al’s All-Star status? And why would he even need to? Is this like one of T-S’s “conspiracy theories”?
Do you not think Al should be a starter? And if he starts, where would YOU play him, and why?
The idea that the Hawks have to (or would) juggle their lineup solely to help Horford’s All-Star status is surely one of the more bizarre ideas I’ve seen here, but perhaps you can explain.
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
11:36 am
Teague cant shoot the rock. No good as starting pg in this league. Heck thats why LD is giving him limited minutes because the bigs can’t cover for his lack of shooting ability….
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
11:38 am
Teague/Marvina/visa card/ Bahama trip on the Norwegian Pearl/Picks/ Cuban cigars for DWILL yesterday!!
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
11:39 am
Ken Strickland
Yessir!
Mary Ellen will confirm.
Dept. of Unintended irony
January 19th, 2011
11:40 am
“Marvina for Montel Ellis”
LOL, does Ellis have a really lame daytime TV show too?
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
11:40 am
Ken Strickland
By the way;
proud to be in any club you’re in.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
11:45 am
ASA = AL
When did I miss that?
All-Star Al?
Ken Strickland
January 19th, 2011
11:48 am
Sorry about the error.
Bibby plays most of his mins with our starters. So when you compare the disparity in MPG played between the 2, and then notice that their production doesn’t come close to reflecting the disparity in their MPG.
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
11:53 am
“LOL, does Ellis have a really lame daytime TV show too?”
HAHA.. If Marvina keeps pouting he’ll be hired to work the NBA Basketball Wives set. Lots of drama you think?
Rev in Tampa
January 19th, 2011
11:55 am
Grandad,
You do seem to be especially chipper today. Have you been smoking some of ILL-Logical’s “pot game euphoria”? You know that stuff only helps cancer victims; not heart patients…
dukester
January 19th, 2011
11:57 am
@ DR MARYB Just becasue Jason Thompson got his shot blocked doesnt mean he is not a upgrade over Twin and Zaza. Yes he has played both forward positions and center for Sacremento. Bottom line is the kid is 6′ 11″ 250 lbs. Check his size and compare him to average centers in the league. Start with Dwight Howard.
And yes Joel Anthony got 16 rebounds last night with Al Horford out. And if Al would have played the whole game he would have got 13. LOL
My point in identifying Thompson was because we lack 2 things that wins championships. Tough interior defense and rebounding. Our opinions may vary on who we want to fill that roll but you must agree that is our problem. Again check our points in the paint and rebound stats. By the way who do you suggest to fill that roll??
dukester
January 19th, 2011
12:00 pm
@ DR MARYB Sam Dalembert is not worth 13 million dollars but he is much better than twin and Zaza. I trust his shot blocking and rebounding over Twins and Zaza. With Josh playing SF he will be further from the basket. Now if the Hawks stay the same with out a CENTER they will be feeling the same way about them as we feel about the falcons.!!
SteveW
January 19th, 2011
12:02 pm
44 minutes @ HOU + 45 minutes @ SAC = Tweaked ankle in Miami for Al
I still like how LD intimidated/psyched LeBron with the Jordan Crawford move. Actually, priceless. Could you imagine if JC2 would have dunked on LeBron again?!
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
12:03 pm
Did ya’ll hear DICK Chaney has no heart pulse?? That sounds like Marvin Williams
it was a terrible #2 Lottery Pick!
JeJe
January 19th, 2011
12:08 pm
They key to beating NOH Friday is that ZaZa needs big minutes and has to be physical and productive.
I am guessing we win Friday then lose by 18 at Charlotte
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
12:08 pm
ZaZa=JOHN CONTRACT(Atlanta drafted this ‘Big Stiff’ over Charles Barkley in the 85 draft! He averaged 1 point and 1 rebound per/game for his career and was paid over 40 million!
SteveW
January 19th, 2011
12:12 pm
From now to the All Star break, we’re entering the easiest part of our schedule, both in teams, and with rest. I hope we take advantage of it to get healthy, and soar. We could easily win most if not all of our games until the break.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
12:13 pm
Where IS the Logic?
Carlos asked this:
“drmaryb – for someone who loves logic so much, how can you say that a big part of why Joel Anthony had 16 rebounds is because Al got injured, when in fact Anthony had 5 boards in the first alone (meaning he was on pace for 20 after 1 quarter of play) and 9 total all before Horford’s injury?”
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Based on this flawed logic, let’s clear one thing up: Joel Anthony has NEVER had 20 rebounds in his ENTIRE life! He got four boards on one possession late in the fourth, when the Hawks had their smallest line-up possible on the floor and Josh was playing Center. Joel Anthony IS a Forward and NOT a Center.
Now, if we use your brain? Anthony had 5 boards in the 1st Qrtr, with Al playing and 4 boards in the Second. So, with Al out almost the entire 2nd half, then Anthony should have had 7 boards in the 3rd and 4th! So, he should have been on pace for 24 boards total, with Al out of the way!
____________________________
Where is Your Logic? Shouldn’t he have more than 5 boards per qrtr with Al gone? 16 boards was his CAREER high! You’ll never see that on a regular basis, Ever!
Turthspitter
January 19th, 2011
12:18 pm
Slimjr,
Southern Sudan has just voted for its independense from the North. Southern Sudan is Christian and has a wealth oil reserves. United States and the Obama adminstration has done a beautiful job along with the CIA creating the opportunity for the birth of a nation which will benefit the USA greatly.
Now as for the Hawks, the need for a legit Point Guard is even more paramount after last night’s game. A point would have able to drive into the lane; thus, creating more open shooting/scoring opportunaties. JJ, Jamal, Al are all good open floor jump shooters, but Josh Smith opportunaties would be greater if he were allowed to slash to the basket. The offensive stops because of the floor spacing and the inability of the PGs to create open shoots.
Nash and D, Harris are clearly available and the hawks need to be proactive.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
12:27 pm
Dukester
I read a ton of scouting reports on Dalembert during the FA period this Summer and posted it on here, because his name kept coming up!
Dalembert was ran out of Philly for some serious and problematic reasons:
He is ExTREMELY lazyn and refuses to go near a basketball in the off seasons. He was reported to be a cancer in the locker room and the consummate complainer during the season. He refused to work on his game weakness and was averaging 8 pts per game. Never developed ANY post moves whatsoever from year to year. At 13M per year, the fans said,”We should give his salary to a terrorist organization than him, and it would be put to better use!”
He was a coaches night mare! They ran him out of town, when they needed a center the most!
____________________
You can take him home and put him in YOUR basement, I would NEVER want him here. He is already in Sac-Town complaining to the local media, just last week!
Go back and read their articles! He can’t even get PT behind Cousins right now!
JeJe
January 19th, 2011
12:43 pm
FIRE SUND
NO POINT GUARD = NO PLAYOFF SUCESS
BIBBY HAS GAMES LIKE LAST NIGHT ONCE EVERY 2 WEEKS OR SO.
NO BACKUP PG.
WE HAVE AN OVERWEIGHT INFERIOR PG AS OUR STARTING PG WITH NO BACKUP
FIRE SUND
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
12:48 pm
Dukester
We blew our chances to get a true Center, in the Summer! I lobbied hard for Shaq or Daimpeer. Those were my choices based on what was available, which wasn’t much! We got a re-newed Collins and Etan for all the fussing I did.
Right now, our greater need is a True PG. I would move in that direction right now, since my desires were ignored at Center! I am with Al, when he said, “I will go to war, with what I got!” So, unless we can do better than Twin? Good Luck with the Big Man Quest! I don’t see anything available that we can afford!
Nor, do I see anything available that can bother the:
Lakers
Celtics
As currently constructed, The Hawks are NOT a contender for Any Title, any time soon! So, just enjoy what we are and what we have. Keep the expectations realistic and stop dreaming! That’ls Life! It’s just basketball anyways and NOT the end of the world by any means!
Just Entertainment! Not that serious!
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
12:54 pm
dukester
I’ve read your stuff in the past…c’mon now – J.Thompson.
Okay, on my soap-box again:
Basketball is a Team sport, and relies on chemistry amongst
the players more so than other sports. Here we are after the
biggest road win since ‘drmaryb’ wore a training bra and all
we do is want to change it up. [myself included] But! We don’t
need wholesale changes, we do need a couple of tweaks.
Nash would be a trancendent -But- overwhelming change where all
chemistry might be destroyed. Why mess with that now.
A pg is not our biggest need. As evidenced last eve, we need a
rebounder. A rugged, bruising, intimidating, Ass kickin’,
head knockin’, name takin’, no non-sense lane cleaner outer.
His name is Nene, or Dorsey, or bring Oakley out of retirement.
Okay I’m finished. Yep Rev feelin kinda spry!
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
1:00 pm
@Turthspitter,
“Southern Sudan has just voted for its independense from the North. Southern Sudan is Christian and has a wealth oil reserves. United States and the Obama adminstration has done a beautiful job along with the CIA creating the opportunity for the birth of a nation which will benefit the USA greatly.”
Good for them! We should be paying 35 cents a gallon like the citizens of Saudi Arabia……The worlds largest oil reserve which covers 16 million square miles in Wyoming,Utah and Colorado lies at a depth of only a thousand feet. With today’s technology would cost about 10 dollars a barrel to pump up and refine..A true world changer..We fixin to pay 5 dollars for gas by end of next year is outrageous!!
JJ for President!
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
1:02 pm
Dampier played 5 min last eve.
Did anyone even notice?
Nothing but 0’s across the board ‘cept fot the O-fer 1 fg.
Sorry Mary Ellen.
Collins is better!
Dept. of Unintened.....
January 19th, 2011
1:08 pm
Who am I? Sund?
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
1:16 pm
Who told Josh Smith that he has a jumpshot????? 4-20 last night!!.. Keep that up Josh and you guys will get swept in 4!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
1:19 pm
Hey Grand-Daddy!
great and insightful posts as always! great to have you back and feeling better. i will call you in re:
to thursday and all, so pick up the phone later today. i am charging my cellie right now.
you are right, these ASKG people ain’t gonna “bust a grape” and make no moves. we are set to the core! oh well! we tried.
dukester
January 19th, 2011
1:22 pm
@DRMARYB LOL you talk about lazy SHAQ!! LOL and you want to talk about washed up Eric Dampier!! Like i said we may never agree on who we should choose for this most pressing need and thats fine.
Grandad yes I said Jason Thompson who would you suggest we get at center?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
1:24 pm
LeBron was 8-30 last night!
you should go read their blog re: LeBrick! He is hated for Iso-Bron over there and ball hogging! both teams played lights out defense. Last night was a true grinder and Josh was incredible down the stretch, he does need to stop chucking all them bricks though and drive the ball a whole lot more, with time left on the shot clock. a true weakness in his game is shot selection!
but, hey we won – right? and, his team mates are throwing him the ball too. aye Josh! drive the ball and dunk that thang!
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
1:28 pm
Josh u shoot the rock like a 5th grader dude!!! JUST STOP IT. Your shot is called a set shot not a jump shot. Go with your strength not your weakness. Too late to teach how to shoot the rock. That should have been addressed at least 10 years ago!! Your set shot is cryptonite……..
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
1:28 pm
dukester
Not gonna re-post.
It’s well documented.
Scroll back, add Ajinca.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
1:30 pm
Dukester!
Nothing was available, like i said! Shaq is not lazy, just old, he dropped 25/10 last week and his team is what? 30 – 9? You got a problem with winning? Looks like Boston made out like a bandit, they only need him for 13 games come June! Shaq is not an everyday player any more.
Dampieer is a true Center, washed up and all is better than what we got! Jason Thompson is NOT a Center for the 100th time! Dalembert? You can got to Sac-Town and put him in the trunk of your Honda Accord and drive him to your basement! We don’t want his carcass here!
If you’re gonna dream? Dream Big! Why not say, go get Dwight Howard and call it a day?
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
1:32 pm
Sund bring Dwight back home!!!
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
1:33 pm
slimjr;
read my earlier post re Josh.
Educate yourself.
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
1:37 pm
take your own advise
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
1:38 pm
Grand-Daddy
I dont want Daimpeer here now. I was telling Dukester that back in the Summer I lobbied hard for Shaq and Daimpeer during FA period. But, nothing happened and we got Etan Thomas for all the fussing I did! So, I was telling Dukester I have moved on from Center Dreams and am now only interested in us getting the greater need at PG: Nash or Billups are my wishes for us now.
I told Dukester, Twin is doing good and I am like Al, when he said, “I will go to war, with what I got!”
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That’s what I said. I don’t see any Center out there available that we can get, nor afford. That ship has already sailed a long time ago! That’s all I was saying, this morning!
PG! PG! PG! – PG! people … listen … There are some opportunities out there! See Sund. We all know that Bigs don’t grow on trees!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
1:55 pm
Dukester
Ipersonally like Jason, his uncle is my X-Ray technician here at the office. He sold me my machines and did the installation and life time service on them. So, trust me I like Jason T. My problem with him is, like AL, he is NOT a True Center. Unlike, Al he is awfully thin and frail. He is tossed around like a rag doll!. That size at Center might fly out West, but in the East?
We BANG – HARD ’round here! Dwight and Perkins would fold him up like a cheap lawn chair. Dalembert too! I’d rather have Collins with some beef and someone, who can stand there and be in the way and bother people. Somebody, you got to go around to get to the basket, not a telephone pole that you can run through! LeBron and DWade would beat him down like a mexican pinata!
That’s all I’m saying mane. Besides, we ain’t getting no Center anyways! They are like butt-holes – everybody needs one! Good ones aren’t just lying around and besides, we ain’t got no money!
Camby, just went down for surgery with meniscus tear, and opted for surgery yesterday and is gone for 3-6 weeks. Plus he cost 9M this year and 8.5M next year! Oden done for the Year, Pryszbilla hasn’t played more than 10 minutes per game since he returned and is very old. Portland need a Center worse than us and they got Three! Yao Ming’s career is over, so, Houston need a Center too.
Like I said, get in line for that dream. At least we got AL (All-Star at Center) and Twin! That might not mean much to you, but it’s more than what most teams have!
look it, we are gaining ground on the #2 spot in the Eastern Conference. We are not that bad. We are just ungrateful and love to complain after every WIN!
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
1:56 pm
Fallacy:
Josh doesn’t block as many shots due to playing the [3].
The [3] is an offensive position. However, Josh has guarded the
[3] quite a bit this year.
(even though some folks on this board argued that he was incapable)
As a matter of fact, Joe has played the [3] more than most on here realize.
Last yr with all the switching Josh would end up guarding the pg sometimes ~ for crying out loud ~ and people don’t take that into consideration.
One thing opposing Coaches may be doing is having Josh’s *man
(whomever that may be) draw him away from the basket [by design].
Another thing – Josh can become a DPOY candidate by being a -GOOD-
defender and not just by blocking shots. He gets steals by getting in the passing lanes and last eve showed that he can defend the best [3]
in the game today. (points notwithstanding) LbJ was 4 for 60 FG,
and attempted 400 FT’s to get his pts.
Also Josh’s jumper probably was mis-firing somewhat due to jelly legs
from chasing LeBoink all night.
Josh is tied for 3rd within our 6 most important players.
Ken Strickland
January 19th, 2011
2:00 pm
GRANDAD-Thanks, and back at cha.
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
2:03 pm
slimjr;
Okay, I’m advising you to read my stuff and educate yourself.
Ken Strickland
January 19th, 2011
2:12 pm
I forgot to mention the excellent coaching job that was done by LDrew, especially a move he made in the 4th quarter. They were double teaming JJ whenever he touched the ball, and he put JoCrawford in the gm, which forced them to back off. Teams know his potential, and what he’s capable of doing.
EmirS.
January 19th, 2011
2:15 pm
@slimjr
“..A true world changer..We fixin to pay 5 dollars for gas by end of next year is outrageous!!
JJ for President!”
Lol that last one got me laughing. Thanks bud! I’m feeling very much down and stressed. That helped alot.
EmirS.
January 19th, 2011
2:19 pm
The Hawks are a team that won in Utah by 23 and lost to the Pistons by 23. Their true identity swings between those extremes. They’re solid some nights, soft on other nights. They didn’t make any major off-season changes, besides the coach, and therefore no reason to expect the final outcome will be much different, either.
They’re built to win 45-50 games, not to beat the Big Four in the East in the playoffs.
– Shaun Powell
{ They’re built to win 45-50 games, not to beat the Big Four in the East in the playoffs. }
Sadly, I think thats the best way we can put our Hawks as.
http://www.nba.com/reportcard/midseason/2011/hawks/
JeJe
January 19th, 2011
2:21 pm
FIRE WOODY
tyger
January 19th, 2011
2:21 pm
Huge win for the Hawks…
1. Hope they can bottle that just-win-baby attitude…
2. Hope they don’t revert to their win one-lose two approach…
3. Drew needs to figure ZaZa out, he’s regressed, but has so much potential…
4. Drew is doing a great job with what he has…
5. PG is still an issue…we need someone to slow Rondo, Rose, Nelson…
JeJe
January 19th, 2011
2:28 pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-wall-flip-saunders-washington-wizards-2011-1
I DON’T SEE JOSH SMITH DOING THIS EVER
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
2:29 pm
Grand-Daddy is Back!
Didn’t these kids Mamma teach them to respect their elders and to learn how to spell or use spell check, if they’re dumb?
Slimjr said this to Grand-Daddy:
January 19th, 2011
1:37 pm
“take your own advise”
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He can’t even spell advice!
You shouldn’t use words that you can’t spell, and yes, we can tell when it’s a “TYPO”.
Next Blogger Please!
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
2:31 pm
@Granddad
10-4…
dukester
January 19th, 2011
2:31 pm
@ DRMARYB Well we agree to disagree you can take Daimper to your basement and I will take Thompson to mine. LOL Let’s define “true center” 7′0″ tall or 6″11″? Or is it defending the paint and tough rebounding? I will take the latter. Hey look we can go back and forth on choices of our liking to get the job done. As far as the “Horford” comment “go to war with what you got” will have us dead in the 2nd round again.
So for the record Dr mary like Dampier more than Thompson that settles it.
@Grandad i like Ajinca also he is tall and long but I is the physical presence we need in the paint.
I will take him over twin any day.
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
2:33 pm
@drmaryb (*_*)
LOL..See I can laugh at myself..Question is can you??
peachimport
January 19th, 2011
2:46 pm
I am a huge basketball fan, and closely following this team (for better or worse). Minimal knowledge of all the positions, stats etc…but LOVE reading the blog after each game. I’m learning while being thoroughly entertained!!
Mike is back
January 19th, 2011
2:53 pm
MC, good stuff…I’m sure it was nice to get back to some old stomping ground.
Very impressive win by the Hawks…I thought the Hawks played with PERSERVERANCE and TANACITY…again very impressive win.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandad
January 19th, 2011
2:57 pm
slimjr
I’m glad you knew I was only messin’ with you a little bit.
Hoops
January 19th, 2011
2:57 pm
northcyde,
I’m with you on the Hawks and the Vols winning on the same night. That’s awesome!
This was a great win for the Hawks! Mo Evans really played well down the stretch for the Hawks!
If there is a trade coming for the Hawks @ this point, I don’t know who the Hawks should make available. Teague maybe? Who else is not contributing that other teams would be interested in? GO HAWKS!!!
Mike is back
January 19th, 2011
2:58 pm
Drmaryb, U R…really something…Keep doing Yo thang…Folk!!!
Rev in Tampa
January 19th, 2011
2:59 pm
peachimport,
You probably know about as much as most on this blog. I’m still trying to learn how to have one of those smiley faces you used on your post.
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
3:00 pm
@Grandad
Cool..Its all good..Josh had a great night regardless of his shooting.. He gave LJ fits.. It was fun to watch..
JeJe
January 19th, 2011
3:01 pm
MO EVANS MADE 2+ DUNKS LAST NIGHT AND DID NOT GET STUFFED BY THE RIM
LAST NIGHT WAS A SUCCESS — NO HOMO
Rev in Tampa
January 19th, 2011
3:05 pm
Hoops,
Did you see the replay of the end the game. Tennessee’s player was over his back. It was the worst no call I have ever witnessed.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 19th, 2011
3:23 pm
Slimjr can laugh at himself! Is there any other option? You got cold busted!
LOL! And yes, I laugh at myself everytime I play with the kids on here.
You guys are funny and I get kicks!
Smile- Mmmmmwah! (A big ole’ wet sloppy kiss!)
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Dukester
A True Center is more of a Proto-Type! If you could go into a laboratory with a pen and a pad? Your Center would look like Shaq in his prime!
Mammoth
Un-movable
Defend his position
Block shots
Rebound
Score (20/10 minimum)
40 + mins/per game
Plays with his back to the basket
A variety of low post moves (hooks, drop-step, dunks, base-line jumper)
10 – 12 Years service time minimum
Rugged
And, all the other teams in the League can “fuggidabout it!” Because, they ain’t NEVER gonna’ beat your team in the post! Don’t even think about penetrating the painted area.
The defense is so sick down there, the center just bends over and peel back the paint and pull out: Bricks, Chain-Saws, pickle jars, baseball bats and Nim-Chucks from under the floor, and bash anybody in the head who is dumb enough to come in there!”
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I just described the Pistons “Bad-Boys” of the ’80’s! They had Mahorn and Lambieer back then. The NBA and Stern won’t let them play like that anymore. The game is soft now. But, you get the picture – Dukester!
Proto-Type Centers are NOT tweeners and PF/C players. We you see a real Center? You Know you seeing one!
I could list a hundred off the top of my head, but you already know the deal!
And, you damn sure know: Jason Thompson and Dalembert ain’t no damned Centers! Keep it Real!
Ra'mon
January 19th, 2011
3:29 pm
Grandad, I think Josh is the most important player on this team. What he brings is not easily duplicated by anyone else on this roster (rarely even in the entire league). I don’t see us winning yesterday without Josh, that’s even with the bad shooting. We won without Al in the clutch. And we defeated Orlando twice without Joe. At the moment, Josh is not only the teams best defender, but he’s also arguably the teams best facilitator. He often creates shots for other players as much as anyone else on the team. Josh is the only player on the team who can have a great game while shooting 25-30%. While he have his flaws. He’s still been the player with the most production in the post season the last three seasons. The problem is a catch 22. The only way we could ever see Josh real value, is by the Hawks playing a few games without him. And we all know it would take a very serious injury for that. Because when it comes to injuries, Josh heals like Wolverine, lol.
sam'l
January 19th, 2011
4:00 pm
Well done Hawks. Let the league chew on this one for a while.
Ken Strickland
January 19th, 2011
4:03 pm
Since the Hawks have demonstrated a reluctance, or unwillingness, to commit to developing JTeague, at least to this point, is it an indication of their intent to pursue a PG by the trade deadline? I was recently on a site that listed the top 10 players they felt needed a change of scenery, and/or are likely to be be traded.
The list contained 3 PG’s, BDavis, DHarris and JCalderon, and they suggested a potential JaCrawford for Calderon trade. Either JCalderon or DHarris would be a big upgrade over Bibby. However, a combination of either, plus Bibby off the bench, would definitely be a very leathal combination, especially for the playoffs. What do you think?
Turthspitter
January 19th, 2011
4:35 pm
slimjr, Please explain the unwillingness of our nation leaders to drill for oil in your boundaries. Offshore drilling is clear now as to Why NOT, but us understand the reasoning for not taking advantage of this opportunity. Oh yeah, the Hawks need to trade for one of the above mentioned PGs. After the Nets/Nuggets trade happens, I do believe that the Hawks will package Marvin, Mo, ZaZa, # 1 pick and/or Teague or some combination of in order to obtain Devin Harris. I think we stand pat on moving somebody for another big man.
Sautee
January 19th, 2011
5:20 pm
Major de coverley,
Did you happen to “catch” Ramon’s use of the phrase “catch-22″?
You, of all people on the blog, should appreciate that.
Big Ump
January 19th, 2011
8:01 pm
drmaryb
Baby you on a roll.
Grandad
Glad to see you back and back to your old self (smile).
slimjr
January 19th, 2011
8:31 pm
@drmaryb
A big one right back at cha! Smile
@Turthspitter
“Please explain the unwillingness of our nation leaders to drill for oil in your boundaries. Offshore drilling is clear now as to Why NOT, but us understand the reasoning for not taking advantage of this opportunity”
You can call it GREED,PROFIT,THE LOVE OF MONEY…If we start drilling into that 8 thousand year reserve(Green River Formation/Worlds largest known oil reserve), I guess the gas companies could not rip us off any more??
You do realize diamonds aren’t as rare as they taught you in school.. Production is massively reduced thereby artificially inflating the retail price. Same game played at the retail gas pump..Look it up..
Hawks need DWILL!! Problem solved……
Ken Strickland
January 19th, 2011
10:28 pm
TRUTHSPITTER-A JaCrawford($10.8M)for DHarris($8.9M)trade works salary wise without us having to add anything else to the deal. With an upgrade like him at PG, and with both Bibby and Teague available off the bench, we’d automatically be a much better playoff team, no matter who we started at center.
Also, at 6′3″ and close to 200lbs, he has the size and height that would allow us to utilizing the switching DEF more often and far more effectively. Even with our current starting PG, when we get serious about playing DEF and our outside shots are falling, we’ve demonstrated our ability to defeat anyone. But with an upgrade at PG like DHarris, or even Calderon, we’ll be able to defeat anyone far more consistently.
With JJ, Marvin and Smoove, we have enough 3pt shooters in our starting lineup. Besides JJ, who usually requires a clearout, what other starter is a threat to break down a DEF with his penetration? We need a starting PG with the ability to penetrate, breakdown DEF’s, dish, finish, and/or draw fouls, more than one that’s limited to shooting 3’s. DHarris averages more FTA’s in one gm than Bibby does in 5.
Drawing fouls on the opposing teams frontline lessens their aggressiveness and effectiveness, while forcing them to rely more on their bench. If we can pull off a trade for DHarris or JCalderon, we’d only be an off season acquisition of a center like TChandler from being a serious title contender.
Duello
January 20th, 2011
6:10 am
So I’m a little late at this point, but what is with everyone saying that Teague can’t shoot? Have you looked at any numbers? If you just want to look at this year’s numbers, admittedly a small sample size for unknown reasons, he’s hitting 35.7% of his 3s. That’s above Marvin, Joe, and Mo.
An even better indication of someone’s shooting ability is their free throw percentage. It’s the exact same shot for everyone. Teague is second on the team at 82.9%, which is actually a little down from last year when he shot 83.7%. This is better than Al, Joe, Marvin, Josh, and Bibby.
Finally, if you want a larger sample size, just look at his college numbers. In both years he shot above 80% on free throws and hit 44% of his 3s his second year.
All of the statistics point to the fact that Teague is a shooter. If you want to use the numbers to criticize him, you could legitimately state that he’s not that great of a passer. But there is absolutely no indication that Teague can’t shoot.
slimjr
January 20th, 2011
9:17 am
Dude, shooters know a shooter when you see one. Throw out the numbers. Teague can’t shoot the rock at this time in the NBA. College game is a different game..Less than 1 % make it to the pro’s…Teague is not the one..Next…..
dukester
January 20th, 2011
10:13 am
@DRMARYB Your making my point. I totally agree with your idea or what a real center is. My point is does Al Horford, Twin, or Zaza fit that build? You then shoot down my choices of Dalmebert and Jason Thompson to be those types of players and your chose to insert Shaq and Dampier!!! Now Its only 2 people on the above list of players that can still move and play tough interior defense and rebound!!
Dalembert and Thompson! My first choice will be Thompson because of age and youth and he is the most athletic. Now because I disagree with your choices and you disagree with mine dont make me joke.