Atlanta Hawks: NBA decides Hawks and Bucks will play tonight (Update: Game postponed)
2 p.m. Update: The league announced the Hawks’ scheduled game tonight against Milwaukee at Philips Arena has been postponed because of the severe weather conditions in Atlanta.
The game was rescheduled for March 15 at 7 p.m., which means the Hawks are set to play rare back-to-back home games.
The Hawks plan to attempt to leave tonight for their game at Toronto tomorrow. Their next home game is scheduled for Saturday at 7 p.m. vs. Houston.
Hawks spokesman Arthur Triche said the team is still deciding if fans with tickets to tonights’ game still will be able to redeem them for Saturday’s game or Monday’s annual Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday game vs. Sacramento (4 p.m).
The Hawks had a shootaround today but there was no media availability.
MC
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J from the A
January 11th, 2011
11:14 am
1st!
GO HAWKS!
honest_abe
January 11th, 2011
11:15 am
i wonder if nique has any say or pull in personnel decisions. will we ever know if it was nique who said that marvin was a once in a decade type talent? because every time i hear him on tv i realize that man shouldn’t be making any decisions period. the guy could jump out the gym but he’s not the brightest bulb, the sharpest knife, etc…….
Marcus
January 11th, 2011
11:22 am
Stay safe and whoop the Bucks.
MsDee
January 11th, 2011
11:43 am
Phillips Arena would look no different than the other games when there are 2000-3000 peeps in there anyways!!
bird
January 11th, 2011
11:44 am
Im sure Nique doesnt have that kind of pull. Billy Knight is the person to blame for Marvin. I think Nique is a bright guy, he may not be Ivy League material, but the guy is not ignorant. Just because someone doesn’t talk the greatest in front of a camera doesnt mean their a dummy.
Ramon
January 11th, 2011
11:56 am
Bird, isn’t the person to blame for Marvin. Most GMs would’ve chosen Marvin that season. Sund is the person to blame for Marvin. He’s the one that signed Marvin for longer than a three year deal.
honest_abe
January 11th, 2011
11:58 am
i never said the guy was ignorant. sheesh. just kinda slow. and maybe he’s normal off the camera but his entire word selection consists of five words.
hawks looking good lately. josh settling down and taking advantage of matchups when they present themselves. jj finding his scoring touch. jamal being jamal. ld showing us the reason why woody never played teague.
give damian more pt!
MannyT
January 11th, 2011
12:08 pm
Do I have to park my sled tonight or can I put it in the 300 level. There will be space for it
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NineOhTheRino
January 11th, 2011
12:40 pm
If the Hawks are making personnel decisions off of Nique’s word then that’s a Hawks problem. Don’t blame Nique; Blame the Hawks FO for being idiots.
NineOhTheRino
January 11th, 2011
12:46 pm
Sorry but I agree with Abe, Nique has no business speaking on a live mic. He only states the obvious. Nique making comments like: “Them the type of things the Hawks have to do” and “The Hawks are playing very good” just bring the quality of that broadcast down.
O'Brien
January 11th, 2011
1:10 pm
Ramon,
The persons to blame (imo) are Woody and BK. They are the ones who decided that although the Hawks needed a PG, they were going to take a SF, although the Hawks did not need a SF.
Keep in mind that When Marvin was drafted, we had Josh Smith, Al Harrington and Josh Childress on the team. At PG, we had Tony Delk, Royal Ivey, and Tyronn Lue.
And the Hawks passed over CP3 and Deron for a SF, although PG and Center are arguably the 2 most important positions, and although athletic SFs are much easier to find. I blame Woody and BK.
honest_abe,
If ‘Nique had any input, I think he would have lobbied for the Hawks to sign his nephew when both Marvin and Mo were injured earlier in the year. But the Hawks did not sign anybody.
kaiser souze
January 11th, 2011
1:38 pm
Possibly 200-300 fans this eve. Gotta love the NBA, play the game, put people in harm’s way. Who cares that it’s going to freeze this eve? Schedules must be met, NATIONAL BUTT ASSOCATION! Selah.
Melvin
January 11th, 2011
2:00 pm
Oh my gosh, the circus is getting its main clown back. Rasheed wants to rejoin the Celtics……
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/142541/index.html?eref=twitter_feed
northcyde
January 11th, 2011
2:12 pm
I personally get tired of everybody talking ish about Nique.
Nique IS the Atlanta Hawks. People can talk about Pistol Pete, or Petit, or Mookie, or any other player that has played with this organiation. But when you think Atlanta Hawks, you think Dominique Wilkins . . . period.
It’s a damn shame that some of you talk about the Hall of Famer like he’s some clueless individual, just because he’s not the ideal color commentator. That man deserves a lot more respect from some of you fans. Without Nique, we’re the damn Clippers.
You won’t see Laker fans trash Magic for his grammar mistakes. So Dominique deserves the same respect.
RESPECT THE HALL OF FAMER !!!
northcyde
January 11th, 2011
2:19 pm
Even with some of the broadcasters like Johnny “Red” Kerr ( Chicago ) . . and Tommy Heinson ( Boston ), who are/were obviously bad or overly homeristic, you don’t see/hear their fans talking ish about them. Why? Because they are legends in the organiazation.
Their fans respect their legends.
And some people wonder why other fans talk ish about Hawk fans.
Michael Cunningham
January 11th, 2011
2:22 pm
Blog updated with game postponement
northcyde
January 11th, 2011
2:33 pm
Good call by the league. If ATL is still having major problems, there’s no sense in playing that game tonight . . possibly putting people in jeapordy.
That would be a major revenue hit for the Hawks as well, since I imagine a good chunk of their attendees drive in from close to or outside the I-285 perimeter to go to games.
Plus you have to consider the arena workers who need to be at the game.
If the city is still bad, then it’s the right call. LOL . . I see CNN is still broadcasting in HD, since the storm hit.
Ramon
January 11th, 2011
2:36 pm
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Draft/2005prospect/marvinwilliams.htm
Michael Cunningham
January 11th, 2011
2:36 pm
@northcyde: “Plus you have to consider the arena workers who need to be at the game.”
apparently this was the major issue the Hawks raised with the league. they doubted they could get enough support staff to the arena.
Ramon
January 11th, 2011
2:39 pm
MC, can you get my comment out of the blog monster?
Ramon
January 11th, 2011
2:41 pm
Also, O’brien, the league wasn’t dominated by PG play then. Majority of the championships won in the last 15-18 seasons have been from dominant athleticism at the wing positions.
Ramon
January 11th, 2011
2:45 pm
The Hawks get back to back home games? Wow, normally the league would have the Hawks play back to back to back 3 nights in a row in different cities after postponements.
MannyT
January 11th, 2011
2:52 pm
WIll this guy get credit for his footwear, purchased especially to get to the arena tonight
http://www.vimeo.com/18654578
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System
January 11th, 2011
2:52 pm
How much you want to bet this sudden postponement was triggered the Hawks Season Ticket Holder base called upon Atlanta Spirit and let them know how STUPID they are (again) and how ill-conceived an idea playing tonight was?
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System
January 11th, 2011
2:55 pm
Wow. Cabin fever is making me inarticulate.
Let’s try once more.
How much do you want to bet this sudden postponement was primarily triggered by the Hawks Season Ticket Holder base angrily calling Atlanta Spirit to let them know how STUPID they are (again) and how ill-conceived an idea playing tonight was?
That is what the Thrashers season ticket holders usually have to do.
Michael Cunningham
January 11th, 2011
2:57 pm
@ Atlanta Spirit: my understanding is the Hawks have been in favor of a postponement from the start but the league was reluctant to do so.
Tim
January 11th, 2011
2:57 pm
Does anyone remember the commercial for Southeastern Meats when Nique was a player and he said “Southeastern meats just can’t be beat”? Would have been in the early 80s.
Michael Cunningham
January 11th, 2011
2:59 pm
@Ramon: “MC, can you get my comment out of the blog monster?”
don’t see anything in there.
cm
January 11th, 2011
3:02 pm
Any chance they will change the start time for Saturday’s game? Traffic/Parking are going to be a nightmare with the Hawks at 7 and the Falcons at 8.
NineOhTheRino
January 11th, 2011
3:04 pm
Don’t confuse criticism of Nique as a commentator with disrespect of Nique as a player. I’m sure everyone appreciated Nique the player. It’s no different than my position on Steve Young doing MNF pre and post game. Young the player was great but Young the commentator should be beaten in the face with a baseball bat for routinely sounding like an idiot.
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System: As a resident of Clayton County I strongly object to this comparison,
Melvin
January 11th, 2011
3:08 pm
Pape Sy NBA DL team is playing on NBATV now….
Boom Dizzle
January 11th, 2011
3:09 pm
@Tim the only one I remember the commercial with Nique and Country Fed Meat…….
Ramon
January 11th, 2011
3:14 pm
Thanks, MC.
Tim
January 11th, 2011
3:17 pm
Boom Dizzle – maybe that was it. I do remember the punch line. Classic stuff.
Tim
January 11th, 2011
3:19 pm
I truly enjoy Dominique’s commentary during the games. He’s very insightful and understands the game and the Hawks extremely well. Bob Rathman, not so much.
Terrell
January 11th, 2011
3:19 pm
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System
I hop you currently live in Clayton County to make this assessment, because I’m a graduate of this school system, and would find it offensive that somebody outside of the school would have the audacity to post a comment like this.
dap01
January 11th, 2011
3:24 pm
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System:
That is funny though!
Tim
January 11th, 2011
3:25 pm
Atlanta Spirit = feces.
dap01
January 11th, 2011
3:29 pm
I also gradgeated from Clayton County Schools and I find the comparison twix ASG and the school system deragetory to my high school.
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System
January 11th, 2011
3:32 pm
Terrell,
You obvious misuse of punctuation merely reaffirms what we already know about the Clayton County School System.
However, we can still be friends. Just let me know in which department you currently work with Atlanta Spirit Group, and I will gladly stop by to take you out to lunch sometime.
Keep It Real While Staying Warm, Dog!
jo
January 11th, 2011
3:35 pm
Nice, I have tix to this match and the hawks want to impose two dates when I am here to redeem the tickets? Why not give a refund? Sounds like the spirit acting loco again.
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System
January 11th, 2011
3:37 pm
Oops!
That should be:
“Your obvious misuse of punctuation…”
See, even those of us who didn’t “graduate” from the Clayton County School System are not perfect, either.
Jeff
January 11th, 2011
3:46 pm
I agree with you Northcyde. I know some of these people want a Pulitzer prize winning rocket scientist alongside Rathbun, but I enjoy the vibe you get from ‘Nique and company. While he does occasionally make an obvious or less-than-enlightening comment, he also makes a lot of good observations. Regardless of that, I will support him forever because of his contributions and because he’s a good person.
Terrell
January 11th, 2011
3:48 pm
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System
I’m sorry I’m not perfect, but actually I work for the Department of Defense as a Cost Analyst. As I stated earlier, if you live in Clayton County then you have the right to make that statement. I graduated iin 2003 and I would like to say that the education I got has placed me in a pretty good position as a Cost Analyst for the Department of Defense.
Terrell
January 11th, 2011
3:49 pm
There I go again lol! I guess I’m too much in a rush to proof-read my comments. I’ll do better next time.
ATL RAISED INDY LIVING
January 11th, 2011
3:55 pm
I’m up here in Indianapolis and this city is running like normal despite 8 INCHES OF SNOW…SNOW TRUCKS ARE THE ANSWER..ATLANTA needs to always have on hand a few contractors with SNOW TRUCKS for times like these ( BUSINESS OPPTY FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO CAPATALIZE ON ATL NOT BEING PREPARED )…WHEN I LIVED IN ATLANTA I THOUGHT IT WAS LAUGHABLE HOW THE CITY WOULD SHUT DOWN OVER 1-INCH OF SNOW…I LOVED GROWING UP IN ATLANTA , but goodness ATL has had enough snow days over time to be better prepared for times like this..I ACTUALLY FEEL SAFER DRIVING UP HERE IN INDY IN 8 INCHES OF SNOW THAN I WOULD IN ATL IN A HALF INCH OF SNOW….OH YEAH BTW GO HAWKS !!! GO FALCONS !!!
woodrow lockett
January 11th, 2011
3:56 pm
Nique speaks from his heart about the Hawks. He loves the team, and so do I.
Go Hawks and Nique
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
3:57 pm
Shhhh!
Punctuation does not address misspelled words. That would just be plain on spelling:
*graduated
*derogatory
Both you guys need to stop it. LOL!
Adil
January 11th, 2011
4:03 pm
please do let us know anything about if we can exchange out ticked to this other games
Atlanta Spirit = Clayton County School System
January 11th, 2011
4:03 pm
Terrell,
Congratulations on your Affirmative Action position as a Cost Analyst with the Department of Defense.
O'Brien
January 11th, 2011
4:05 pm
Northcyde,
I think it is ok to separate ‘Nique the commentator and ‘Nique the Hawks player. The guy I would like to be the in-game analyst is the Stinger. Put Nique back in the studio (imo).
@ Ramon,
“Also, O’brien, the league wasn’t dominated by PG play then. Majority of the championships won in the last 15-18 seasons have been from dominant athleticism at the wing positions.”.
While the league wasn’t dominated by PG play, who were the dominant athletic wings?
If anything, they were SGs’ (MJ, Drexler, Kobe, Manu, Rip, Wade), not SFs. And at the time of the draft, we hadn’t signed JJ yet. The only dominant SF I can think of is Scottie and Larry. Bruce Bowen and Prince were solid, but not dominant.
There were also dominant big men (Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Duncan, KG etc). But I dont think SF was a dominant position.
I know its water under the bridge, but even if Marvin was a 18, 5 and 5 player, we would still need a legit PG to win a championship.
Jeff
January 11th, 2011
4:10 pm
The AJC needs a blog that focuses on race issues and class warfare. Maybe participants would use that to post comments related to sports.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
4:10 pm
*Plain old spelling
LOL! Who cares about spelling anyways! The blackberry keys are way too small.
Besides, we all get the point. It’s just a blog. … School is out and does not apply on an informal blog.
Keep typing Nimbers and stuff!
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NorthCyde, great post about Nique.
I called out Barkley being far more entertaining than Nique. Hell, I forgot all about
Magic Johnson. He leads the entire pack. But, don’t get it twisted, intelligence has little to do with pronunciation and enunciation of words. Aye, rappers make billions from making up their own damned words. And, AINT is now a word – see Websters!
LOL!
Go NorthCyde! Respect The Game! Or N-Cyde will call a Technical!
RethinkPossible
January 11th, 2011
4:19 pm
The Stinger is great to watch, would love to see him call some games!
myrak43
January 11th, 2011
4:27 pm
So is the game postponed tonight or not?
Major de`Coverly
January 11th, 2011
4:36 pm
Miss mary I think mister northcyde is very rude when he called dominique a colored commentator. I didnt think you could say that nomore. I like stev smith though as much. but dominique is smart
about the ballgame when they are playing.
Kojak
January 11th, 2011
4:42 pm
Nique is AWFUL–I must watch on mute most of the time–Steve Smith was light years ahead and the Stinger is awesome. If he say one more time that the Hawks have this one wrapped up when they are up by 10 in the 3rd quarter I am going to shoot my TV–Please give us someone–anyone
Gator
January 11th, 2011
5:09 pm
Nique provided many highlights on the court, in the booth, not so much!
Ken Strickland
January 11th, 2011
5:21 pm
Doesn’t is seem odd that the Hawks are preparing to travel to, of all places, CANADA, after having to cancel a home gm, in the deep south, due to icing and snow?
At this point in the season, I feel the Hawks have reached the point where they’re starting to play like an elite team. Whether at home or on the road, we’re starting to consistently get big leads on teams, which we weren’t doing before. Having JJ, Jamal and MoEvans healthy has really made a difference, along with the total acceptance of LDrew’s OFF/DEF philosophy and approach.
If the Hawks had played tonight and tomorrow night, they would have played more back to backs, more 4gms in 5days, and more gms overall than any other team. Considering how many of those were rd gms, and the number of gms we’ve lost due to injuries to 3 key players, to remain only one gm behind the Magic, who’s won 9 consecutive gms, really puts this teams overall accomplishments into perspective.
rms
January 11th, 2011
5:32 pm
Co-sign that last statement Ken, it does seem odd that they are cancelling a game here in the south only to travel up north to Canada to play a game there where it likely wont be postponed. I am not sure if I would label the Hawks elite just yet. I would like to see consistent production from their bench namely Mo Evans and Jeff Teague.
Jamillion
January 11th, 2011
6:07 pm
Northside larry and scottie weren’t in the league. Lebron melo pierce kg dirk redd artest vince and tmac were the ish
Najeh Davenpoop
January 11th, 2011
6:11 pm
The same people from up north who call us p-ssies for shutting down every time it snows need an entire bottle of sunscreen every time the temperature goes above 80.
Jamillion
January 11th, 2011
6:15 pm
And stop the ill advised ignorant statements. Ps honest abe jammed when he said nique says now ld shows why woody didn’t play teague.Lol
Najeh Davenpoop
January 11th, 2011
6:24 pm
I appreciate what Nique did for the Hawks. I also appreciate what Steve Smith did for the Hawks (considerably less, but still, he was one of the better players on some of the better teams in Hawks history). Steve Smith, to put it mildly, sh-ts all over Nique as a commentator. Just because someone is good at one thing doesn’t mean they will necessarily be good at other things.
I’m sure Cowboys fans have a great amount of appreciation for Emmitt Smith, but I don’t think any of them would necessarily want him doing commentary for them.
Also, none of this is because of Nique’s inability to pronounce words or form sentences. I couldn’t care less about that (or people’s use of spelling and grammar on a f-cking blog for that matter). Sh-t, I actually like hearing him say “heat check” and “nimbers”, because it makes me laugh. My problem with Nique is that he never points out anything that any of us can’t figure out on our own.
O'Brien
January 11th, 2011
6:37 pm
Ken S,
To be considered elite, I think the Hawks need to beat teams above .500 more frequently. They are 4-9 against teams above .500 (and 2 of those wins are against Orlando).
I do think they are on the right track, so hopefully they can beat Miami next week.
Najeh,
Co-sign. I am ok with ‘Nique’s grammar and pronunciations. But I think his analysis of the game is weak.
Rather then adding something insightful, he agrees with Bob alot. And alot of his analysis is obvious to me (and I have never played any kind of basketball in my life, unless you count video games).
K.W.
January 11th, 2011
6:46 pm
I’m getting tired of the northers and Bucks players clowning Atlanta for the snow/postponing the game. I guess people’s safety isn’t important.
Blast
January 11th, 2011
7:00 pm
This sucks. Been looking forward to this game. Seems like forever the Hawks last played.
So the Bucks flew into the Atl for nothing? Hope they had time to visit Magic City!
Ra'mon
January 11th, 2011
7:21 pm
O’brien, Marvin was an athletic wing who could play anywhere from 2-4, and it was unsure if he was even finished growing. You say who was the last all star SF to win a title, but who was the last all star PG to win a title in the same season? Either way, I still believe as far as THIS team is concerned, Sund made the biggest mistake by re-signing Marvin for such a long deal. There was no reason to re-sign him for anything longer than a 3 year deal with a team option 4th year. As I said before, I honestly believe you should never have more than 3 players on your team who have longer than 3-4 seasons remaining on their contracts. Because the true staple of your team will never be more than 3 players over a four year span. You think about the Spurs, it was mainly Parker, Ginobli, and Duncan. Hoever Sund wants to describe it, he has full ownership over this roster, not BK. There’s not a player on this roster who are still playing on the contract that BK signed them to. All of these contracts are Rick Sund’s contracts.
Ra'mon
January 11th, 2011
7:28 pm
O’Brien, I agree, to be considered elite to me, the Hawks need to go over 60% on their next 10-12 games against playoff teams with winning record. I say this, because to advance in the playoffs in any round your team has to win at least 57% of the games in that series (4 out of 7). The definition of elite is winning more series against ALL teams than you lose.There will always only be 3-4 elite teams in the league, no matter their payroll size.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
7:30 pm
Magic City!
Joe is The Bouncer at Magic City. LOL!
__________________
Ms. Dee
Any news on Joe and The Kid is NOT my son – son? -sniggles-
_______________________
Aye! The ATL aint got any snow plows or salts – we haven’t had any snow in 20 years, since last year. Where would we hide the snow plows anyway, behind Magic City?
Oh! My bad, there are no snow-bunnies at chocolate-city!
Gotta’ go to: The Pink Pony on Chesire Bridge for the snow-bunnies and snow plows. -wink wink-
Ra'mon
January 11th, 2011
7:31 pm
12 of the next 16 games for the Hawks are against losing team. They NEED to pay .750 ball right now.
Ken Strickland
January 11th, 2011
7:39 pm
I didn’t say WE WERE, OR HAD BECOME, an elite team. What I said was we were starting TO PLAY like and elite team. Biggg difference. With Horford’s combined postup and jumpshooting improvement, he’s starting to create problems for teams.
Boooo!
January 11th, 2011
8:09 pm
Rasheed is looking to make a comeback but the Celtics have a full roster. If we can Swap Bibby/Mo/Etan to Denver for Devin Harris and then Sign ‘Sheed. I think we could really make a run at the ‘Chip this season.
O'Brien
January 11th, 2011
8:26 pm
@ Ken S,
Fair enough. Like Ramon said, I would like to see them win at least 60% of their games against teams with winning record, especially since the Hawks should be competing for a 4-5 seed.
@ Ramon,
I agree that there was no need to give Marvin a 4 year deal with a 5th year being a player option. At the very least, it should have been a team option for the fifth year.
And to make it worse, the Hawks bid against themselves, because Marvin was restricted, so they could always match any offer.
I also disagreed with giving Bibby 3 more years (it should have been a team option for the third year).
I think Rick will have an interesting offseason coming up too.
Blast
January 11th, 2011
8:49 pm
It’s true. By now, the city of Atlanta should be ready for these January/February snow and ice storms. It snowed 3 times last year. It snowed the year before. It didn’t snow in 2008, but I believe it snowed in 2007. The city has had 4 years to get it’s act together. No way a major city should be shut down for 3 days just cos it snowed! I was in Chicago 11 years ago, and there was so much snow, suv’s were totally buried! But the city still moved on.
Come ATL! Get it together!
J.J.M
January 11th, 2011
8:50 pm
they just mentioned on nbatv that hawks should trade for steve stash by sending marvin williams, mo evans and a second pick. and one guy kep asking what else as if this is not enough to make the trade. They said if this trade goes down the hawks will be a top 4 team in the east
Najeh Davenpoop
January 11th, 2011
9:02 pm
Anyone have Insider? Hollinger’s PER Diem today mentions the Hawks (at least it appears it does judging from the picture).
Najeh Davenpoop
January 11th, 2011
9:04 pm
“And to make it worse, the Hawks bid against themselves, because Marvin was restricted, so they could always match any offer.”
And to make it even worse, it’s not like this followed a pattern for the Hawks. They made Smoove go out and find a deal on the open market before they exercised their restricted free agent rights to match it. The obvious move would have been to do the same for Marvin.
NineOhTheRino
January 11th, 2011
9:11 pm
@O’Brien: I’m with you. going from Stinger to Nique is like going from steak to spam.
brigadierjerry
January 11th, 2011
9:15 pm
Dominique was a good player although if you examine his playing career he should’ve gotten to the Eastern Conference Finals. Carmelo reminds me his game a lot of Nique and Bernard King and Vince Carter. Great scorers but didnt have great team success although i would take Nique and King over Carter and Melo.
Does these Hawks teams of recent years remind anyone of any of the Hawks teams of the 80’s and 90’s?
Boooo!
January 11th, 2011
9:22 pm
Yeah can anyone post Hollingers PerDiem for today?
ant banks
January 11th, 2011
10:17 pm
KEN STRICKLAND, POOP, DR. MARY B, ET AL,
what are you definition of “elite” team? sund defines “elite” as a team winnin’ 20+ games on the road. some classify “elite” as beatin’ above .500 teams. i think that we should define “elite” as any teams that make it OUT OF THE 2ND ROUND. any team who consistently gets knocked out of the 2nd round, regardless if they beat .500 teams or win 20 games on the road, is not an elite team.
consistently makin’ it to the 3rd rd or ecf would qualify as an “elite” team. boston, lakers, san antonio, comes to mind. THOUGHTS?
J.J.M
January 11th, 2011
10:27 pm
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=18398
Najeh Davenpoop
January 11th, 2011
11:23 pm
Atlanta
The Hawks could not be further off the radar right now, but it might be time for that perception to change. For instance, Orlando is a big story after having won nine straight games. But did you know that Orlando has gained only two games on the Hawks during its current streak?
Although I harp on new coach Larry Drew’s insistence on “fouling out” his players in the second quarter and his inexplicable zest for all things Josh Powell (on Saturday against Indiana, he called three straight post-ups for the guy), one must concede that Drew has improved the Hawks greatly in two other respects.
Especially noticeable is that there’s far better ball movement than in the “iso-Joe” offense under Mike Woodson. But perhaps more important is that the Hawks’ formerly shambolic transition D has significantly improved now that they’re not sending the entire team to the offensive glass. Atlanta has dropped to 24th in offensive rebound rate, from fifth a season go, which is the main reason the offense hasn’t been as efficient … but by the same token, the Hawks are also a very solid 11th in defensive efficiency.
This team remains flawed — it’s basically four good players and a whole lot of filler — but has coped with injuries surprisingly well. Atlanta held down the fort without Joe Johnson, going 5-4 while he missed nine games with an elbow problem; when he returned, the Hawks won three of four even with Jamal Crawford out.
As a result, the Hawks are on the upswing — winners of eight of 10, including a 23-point beatdown of the Jazz in Utah last week — and up to fifth in the Power Rankings. No, not fifth in the East — fifth in the entire league. Atlanta projects to win 52 games according to today’s Playoff Odds and is a serious threat to grab a top-four seed in the East.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 11th, 2011
11:23 pm
Scroll down halfway if you want to read the whole thing.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 11th, 2011
11:35 pm
“what are you definition of “elite” team? ”
To me an elite team is a team that has a chance to win a title. That’s something I determine by watching them more than I do by stats, so my idea of elite is probably going to be different from others. Right now I would say the league’s elite teams are Miami, Orlando, Boston, the Lakers, San Antonio, and Dallas. The Hawks, Bulls, and Thunder are in the group right below those teams.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 11th, 2011
11:35 pm
Oh yeah, and the Jazz too. I’d put the Jazz in that group right below the elite teams.
Rev in Tampa
January 12th, 2011
12:12 am
Cleveland is getting beat down by the Lakers. They are losing by FIFTY POINTS in the third quarter.
Rev in Tampa
January 12th, 2011
12:13 am
By the way it will almost be 60 degrees in Tampa tomorrow.
Ya’ll stay bundled up and off the roads.
Ken Strickland
January 12th, 2011
12:48 am
ANT BANKS-An elite team is one that:
1-defends it’s home court,
2-wins 20+ gms on the road,
3-defeats the majority of the sub 500 teams it plays,
4-wins it’s share of big gms against teams with winning records,
5-plays good DEF,
6-displays consistency on both ends of the court,
7-finishes close gms.
8-have good coaching and ownership
9-have good chemistry
10-have an identity.
Ken Strickland
January 12th, 2011
12:49 am
10-has an identity.
Boooo!
January 12th, 2011
1:02 am
Thanks for the link Davenpoop!
hawkfan
January 12th, 2011
1:05 am
yea at least we’re not the cleavland cavaliers, that score was a joke to me or I couldn’t believe it at first, at least one night I feel really good about being a Hawks fan at least we don’t lose by that much even to the lakers, and lebron writing on his twitter “karma is a bi**h” just shows cleavland is still on his mind, haha, GO HAWKS!!!
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
January 12th, 2011
1:52 am
northcyde
your 2:12 pm post was spot on man. People need to show more respect for the legend. Number 11th all-time scorer and face of the historic franchise.
I wonder will the Raptor’s game will be cancelled. How bad IS the ice up in ATL?
Jamillion
January 12th, 2011
3:47 am
SO THE RUMORS OF THE TRADE THAT PHOENIX WANTED MARVIN WAS TRUE. BUT ACTALLY I WOULD LOVE TO KEEP MARVIN GIVE THEM A 1ST 2ND BIBBY & MO. WE WOULD NO LONGER BE THE 4TH BEST TEAM WE’D BE FIRST.
Jamillion
January 12th, 2011
4:04 am
SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO SHOW THEM YOU HAVE BALLS.THIS MOVE A MAKE US GREAT. WE’LL FINALLY HAVE A LEADER AT THE MOST PIVOTAL POSITION. ADD SHEED FOR LENGTH AGAINST BOSTON AND STACK FOR INSURANCE
Jamillion
January 12th, 2011
4:17 am
WELL NO LONGER BE A TEAM FIGHTING FOR 4TH WE’D INSTANTLY BE FIGHTING FOR FIRST.OuR BENCH A BE SOLID WITH DUCK AND JC
Jamillion
January 12th, 2011
4:25 am
But add sheed & stack and it’s a blend of experience athleticism and toughness.
Jamillion
January 12th, 2011
4:31 am
Our attendence a rise.Publicity thru the roof,more televised games also equates to more revenue. Pathetic lethargic franchise hits seldom homerun.GO HAWKS
Jamillion
January 12th, 2011
4:38 am
And for the doubters.Those two picks will be high and won’t amount to hog troth.Ala,like did they become champions after the jj trade? No! We are better than them now so let’s finish the job.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
5:49 am
Elite? You Don’t Say!
An Elite Team, IMHO is a legitimate title contender for a sustained period of time.
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We see this longevity component, more so in Basketball and Baseball (where salaries are guaranteed) than in Football, (where salaries are not guaranteed)
and there is parity. (See The Saints), who fell off as World Champions in less than one year. The Saints are NOT Elite compared to The Patriots who are perennial contenders for The Lombardi Trophy even though they have not won it in the past years.
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So, longevity is The Mark!
This is The Mark, the Atlanta Hawks have yet to achieve.
They Came
They were Measured
And, They are Lacking
- a scene from the movie: Gladiator -
BTW, is Marvin in the witness protection program?
Because, he’s been hiding. Sorry SteveW, I promised to be nice to Marvin, but I couldn’t help myself. Calm down, that was a joke. Marvin has been quite visible this season, great games! I would hate to lose my favorite whippin’ boy for Nash, however Nash is hard to look off, but, wish we could do it w/o giving up
Marvin Gaye Williams. Sometimes, you don’t miss the water, till the well runs dry.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
5:54 am
Buffalo Bills went to 5 Super Bowls in what? 5 years?
And never won, the darned thing. Were they elite?
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Is water wet?
Is a green bean – green?
Can a fat lady sing?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
6:16 am
Lock and Load!
Nash for Marvin? You make that trade in your sleep, can we get Chills too? He fits the Hawks, shoulda never let him walk, but he is over-paid though.
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Ground Hog Day!
Is it just me? Or, does Utah bore yall to death too, year in and out?
Watching a Jerry Sloan team, is like watching a movie that you have already seen 100 times. I would rather have a surprise element riddled with highs and lows to evoke emotions, fans like roller-coasters, it’s gut wrenching – literally.
I personally hate the feeling of losing my stomach on the down slopes.
But, at least after the ride, you know something just happened – especially, if you barfed. Utah is like having sex, but, you never reach a climax.
No thanks, I’ll pass.
O'Brien
January 12th, 2011
7:28 am
Marvin has 3 years, $23 mil left after this season, and Chills has 4 years, $26 mil left after this season.
Chills may not defend as good as Marvin, but he might be a better fit for LD’s motion offense, and he is more versatile.
That being said, when Marvin comes back from his injuries, I hope he returns to form. Since late November, I think he is averaging close to 15 and 6 per game. If he can do that consistently (even when coming off the bench), the Hawks will be more balanced, and more dangerous.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
7:28 am
Bush League!
Reggie Bush was jaded and in the same year? He faded.
O'Brien
January 12th, 2011
7:29 am
How about them Cavs? They lost 57-112 to the Lakers last night. Ouch. I think they will be looking to unload players at the trade deadline, but I dont know if they will find many buyers.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
7:39 am
Ant Banks said this:
“consistently makin’ it to the 3rd rd or ecf would qualify as an “elite” team. boston, lakers, san antonio, comes to mind. THOUGHTS?”
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In the later rounds, the competition is fierce and in a seven game series there is no drop off of talent. It’s all about match ups and executing the offense and defense, while not turning the ball over. Possessions are magnified and mental toughness is the key. You have to play through bad calls, play your game and not the referee. This is where Coaching becomes paramount to winning. But, you can not winm without superior talent at PG and Center. That is on the GM and the organizations established culture of winning.
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Winning starts with the ownership providing the environment to thrive in.
From the paper clips down to the post it notes, training staff, GM and coaches.
Ultimately, it’s on the talents and skills of the players.
See LeBron. He took his talents to So. Beach!
Ra'mon
January 12th, 2011
7:44 am
O’Brien, I wouldn’t mind the Hawks taking Ryan Hollins off of their hands, lol.
Hawks get:
Sessions
Hollins (expiring)
Cavs get:
Zaza
Mo Evans (expiring)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=626vl4q
dap01
January 12th, 2011
7:57 am
if you think that Sund gives out bad contracts, look at what Chills got in Pheonix.
tony
January 12th, 2011
9:31 am
Here’s a song for you young cats. Real music works wonders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg7FQ8mJGow
O'Brien
January 12th, 2011
9:56 am
dap01,
Chills got 5 years, $33 mil, while Marvin got 5 years, $37.5 mil.
Chills career average: 11 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assts
Marvin’s career average: 12 pts, 5 rebs, 1.5 assts
Do you think Chills’s contract is worse than Marvin’s? Phoenix has given out some bad contracts, but I dont think Chills is any worse than Marvin’s.
O'Brien
January 12th, 2011
10:09 am
Ramon,
I’m not sure if Cleveland would trade Sessions. I think they would prefer to trade Mo Williams, who makes twice as much as Sessions.
One PG I think is available is Chris Duhon from Orlando. Now that they have big money tied up to Jameer and Gilbert (and Jason Williams for emergencies), Duhon does not see the floor much (11 DNPCD since early December).
And with Orlando’s $89 mil payroll, maybe they are open to getting rid of him and his remaining 3 years, $11 mil. And Orlando needs a backup Center.
Duhon for Mo Evans and Etan Thomas. Would you make that deal? I dont think Duhon is known for defense, but he would be an upgrade over Teague as the backup PG (imo).
Maybe one of the cap experts can answer this, but the Hawks have a $3.6 mil TPE from the Chills trade. Duhon is making $3.5 mil this season.
Can the Hawks give Orlando the TPE in return for Duhon?
Ra'mon
January 12th, 2011
10:21 am
O’Brien, for Zaza and Evans, Cleveland may wouldn’t do that deal. However, I do believe (if the Hawks would) they would trade Sessions and Hollins for Marvin. Remember they strongly desired having Marvin when it appeared close to agreeing to a sign and trade for Shaq in the off season.
So the deal I would offer would be:
Hawks get:
Sessions
Hollins
Parker
Cavs get:
Marvin
Teague
and 2nd round pick
I’d rather have Bibby over Mo Williams.
The deal you mentioned, of course I would do that deal, and I think Orlando would do it as well because they have history with Evans.
Ra'mon
January 12th, 2011
10:22 am
O’Brien, I don’t think they can give the TPE for Duhon straight up without going into Luxury Tax-
terrell
January 12th, 2011
11:12 am
Who in the hell is this new poster using my name? Use your last name. terrell is taken. lol!
terrell
January 12th, 2011
11:14 am
Sessions? Duhon? No thanks. I’ll take my chances with Bibby and Jamal.
terrell
January 12th, 2011
11:22 am
No way I give up Duck for Sessions and Hollins. Rather have Marvin coming off the bench than either one of those cats anyday.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
11:28 am
O’Brien
Do you know how much of that $37.5 mil is taxed at the pay window? I know the lotterry winners who take the cash options pay over .60 off the top.
Last week’s Mega Million winner out west won 190M and took the 90M cash option, of course he was 60 some odd years old, but to leave 100M on the table is a lot to walk away from.
I see the NBA salaries as a lottery winning. I guess that’s why you ned a financial planner. But, who would/can you trust with all the Bernie Madoffs’ running wild on Wall Street? I sure wish I had such a dilema.
First thing I would do is change my name to a guy’s name, join The Witness Protection Program and enroll in a finance. class at a community college.
Oh! And go to church to pray nobody robs me.
LOL!
terrell
January 12th, 2011
11:36 am
Lottery winnings are taxed at 40%. NBA players are taxed on their earnings. I’d say Chills payed about 10 mill taxes. Probably only netted around 20 mill after paying his agent, his people, and his girls though. lol!
brigadierjerry
January 12th, 2011
11:37 am
O’Brien,
actually fan of the entertainer in regards to your question about nancy.
drmaryb,
You make a good point in regards to the Utah Jazz. Sloan runs a good system and he gets maximum effort from his players but his players overachieve but in the playoffs you need stars and outside of deron williams they arent gonna make any noise in the playoffs. Even when they had Boozer I never took them seriously as a contender. They have not been a factor of elite team since the days of Stockton and Malone.
The only teams I say right now have a chance to win a ring right now are the Lakers, Spurs, possibly Dallas and Celtics Heat Orlando. If the Hawks got Nash they would have a good shot to reach the Eastern Conference Finals. Hawks are a win now team might as well take a shot with Nash. Smith and Horford are still you and you can retool again with pieces in a few years to build around Josh and Smith
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
11:37 am
“Can the Hawks give Orlando the TPE in return for Duhon?”
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I believe NorthCyde said the TPE is not transferable and must be used within one year of receiving it?
terrell
January 12th, 2011
11:40 am
LMAO @ Cleveland tanking. Trying to find the next Lebron. Hahaha!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
11:47 am
terelle (don’t call me Te-relle)!
Thanks for that response, 40% hugh? Ouch! That’s a whole lot to pay the Govt who does nothing but buy military weapons and Lawd knows what else the do with all that free money. That is a stick up without a gun! Geez!
Well if Chills pockets 20M, he can afford to have them ears pinned down and get a damned haircut. He ain’t fooling nobody with that Afro!
It’s a cover up!
A covert act!
Also, his teeth are so small, all I can see is his gums. Call Nellie and get a referral to buy a “Grill”. There’s no excuse to be looking jacked up with all that money. If Chills could do those two things, he might get a real nice girl then.
Not some gold digger.
LOL!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 12th, 2011
11:54 am
brigadierjerry
Thanks! I love your stuff too, real heady and logical comments!
Keep it coming, I never get enuff of that funky stuff! -smiles-
brigadierjerry
January 12th, 2011
12:02 pm
drmaryb,
thanks. You mentioned that your father had a string of barber shops in NY what part of ny was that?I was born and raised in New york.
Also do you think that the Hawks from the 80’s and 90’s were elite teams with a chance to win year in and year out?
O'Brien
January 12th, 2011
12:32 pm
@ Ramon,
I forgot about the luxury tax, which we know the ASG will not pay. Mo Evans and Etan for Duhon works and keeps them out of the luxury tax though.
@ terrell,
I think you’re right. Jamal is our backup SG and backup PG. However, assuming the ASG dont resign Jamal, I think they should sign a backup PG this offseason (if they still dont believe JT0 is ready).
@ drmaryb,
Correct. If the TPE is not used within a year, it will expire. I think Chills was traded in July, so Hawks have to use it by July 2011.
However, with a new CBA and possible lockout, I strongly doubt the Hawks will use it. But look on the bright side…Phoenix also gave us a second round pick
Speaking of second round picks, I read that Sy is 6-35 from the field (.171) in the D-League so far.
Not So Casual Observer
January 12th, 2011
12:34 pm
For the lottery questions:
In a big lottery win the Fed tax will be 35% (the current max tax rate) and the state in which you live (GA for instance takes 6%) will take theirs unless you live in TN, FL, TX or NV – states that do not have a state income tax.
The cash option is most likely the best option since the annuity is funded by government bonds that traditionally pay a low rate of return.
Boooo!
January 12th, 2011
1:45 pm
Ummm apparently Sixer fans arent happy with Igoudala? That would be my assupmtin sice they are trying to asses his trade value.
http://www.libertyballers.com/2011/1/4/1915117/what-is-iguodalas-trade-value
Boooo!
January 12th, 2011
1:46 pm
*assumtion
*since
Rufus1
January 12th, 2011
1:55 pm
Chillz=Damien Wilkins or Matt Barnes
Why do people have such a high regard for him, he can barely get off the suns bench. The reason Wilkins can’t get off the Hawks bench, is his shooting….Chillz wouldn’t offer a better option.
If you haven’t noticed LD values shot makers…..Chillz is not a shot maker….he is Wilkins(Good defender and garbage man)..A good garbage man but yes, a garbage man. That is the reason Mo get the minutes, because he can shoot the 3.
Certain players thrive in certain systems…if Chillz can’t thrive in the Suns system, why would anyone want him.
Rufus1
January 12th, 2011
1:58 pm
PS. I bet the Suns would give-up Chillz for a 2nd round pick today….Lol
Boooo!
January 12th, 2011
2:24 pm
smh…I cant spell today.
KevinM
January 12th, 2011
2:34 pm
Nique and Bob…..the best homers outside of Boston you will ever find.
They are toeing the ASG line there……never a critical word about Marvin, Smoove’s jumpers, or Bibby’s 2 concrete Jordans.
Let’s define elite here: “A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status:
Going by that, the entire league is elite….now if you want to define it by basketball supremacy, the Hawks don’t deserve a mention. They have zilch to their credibility. A 50 win team is not elite…ask the Jazz, who have won 50 for 20+years it seems. I wouldn’t say the Mavs are elite…they’ve been to one Finals. They’re competitive like the Hawks, Jazz, the up and coming loud Thunder, and the Jazz. Wish for it, but it hasn’t arrived in Atlanta.
Elite means you compete against the best and beat those teams who challenge you for the top level. The playoffs is the only thing that will identify this team going forward. They shouldn’t need any more ‘playoff game experience’.
Let’s see how the Hawks look next Monday against an elite team ahead of them in their division.
DMB, good stuff as always!
Just say no to Duhon, he is another overpaid backup PG….is he currently ranked ahead of Bibby? Just asking…
Tyrone
January 12th, 2011
3:29 pm
drmaryb, but more importantly concerned Hawks’ fans by NBA rule, a team cannot receive a player they traded back in the same year unless thru a third team. It was widely reported two months ago that Phoenix was interested in Josh Smith for Nash, but the Hawks declined. My cousin BooBoo in Phoenix said the word there was the Hawks had offered Marivn, Bibby, and # 1 pick for Nash, Phoenix countered with Jamal, Mo, # 1 pick, and CASH(1 Mil). BooBoo reported this trade info back in early December. Now that numerous sport outlets have reported these trade talks, I guess it has been validated.
Moreover as reported, Phoenix wants to dump salaries including Chillz. Vince Carter’s contract is worth 19 mil(expiring this season). Also, this is why a third team is necessary for the Hawks to receive Chillz. Portland has been the team most mentioned. Phoenix will not trade Nash without including Chillz to any team. However, the Hawks are still holding up the deal, apparently!
Fundamentals
January 12th, 2011
3:52 pm
Not too excited about a Chills revisit. Seems he’s joining Salim, AC, Royal and Solo as kids who looked good while we were dreaming…now they tested positive for fools gold. We need better talent. Makes me feel better about Mo Evans just thinking about it.
As for Sy, he definitley looked out of sorts in the Showcase. He did appear alot bigger than I figured. He seemed very physical and tough. He just seemed too slow to get in front of anyone and he’s definitely not an option on the offensive end. He’s not running the point, which was dissappointing, but at least he’s getting minutes.
The man who’s chewing up the court in the D-League is Mario West. Shows you the difference between D-League and NBA. Mario’s getting 20 a night leading the Red Claws while he can’t hardly score for us. Too bad his PG skills don’t translate to a solid backup PG for us. They love him in the D-League.
MsDee
January 12th, 2011
4:32 pm
Dont know and dont care if this trade is possible but I would trade Marvin, Bibby,1st round pick & TPE to Phoenix for Nash & Chills and then I would trade Mo Evans, Etan Thomas, & 2nd round pick to Philly for Igoudala…Sund, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!
STARTING: Nash, JJ, Josh, Horford, Collins…BENCH: Teague, Jamal, Chills, Powell, Horford
MsDee
January 12th, 2011
4:35 pm
CORRECTION::
STARTING: Nash, JJ, Igoudala, Josh, Horford…BENCH: Teague, Jamal, Chills, Powell, Collins
MsDee
January 12th, 2011
4:37 pm
We WOULD THEN BE THE TEAM TO BEAT WITH A SQUAD LIKE THAT!!! Nash would be in ASSISTS HEAVEN with that squad!!
MsDee
January 12th, 2011
4:40 pm
Like I said, dont know if this trade is possible but if it is a CHANCE of being a reality….MANN..
What I do know is NASH wants OUT of Phoenix and Philly wants Igoudala OUT!! So once again SUND…MAKE THIS TEAM A CONTENDER!!!!!
MsDee
January 12th, 2011
4:44 pm
I would not want to trade Teague since Nash wouldnt be around much longer. Also, Teague could learn A WHOLE LOT MORE from Nash instead of Bibby or Nick the Quick!!
Willie T.
January 12th, 2011
4:50 pm
Somebody tell me – if the Hawks traded for Nash and Josh Childress who would need to be traded to satisfy the budget and keep the hawks out of the Luxury Tax?
Fundamentals
January 12th, 2011
4:51 pm
If Teague can’t get it from Nash, then do we give up on Royal, I meant AC, I meant Salim…dude needs to step it up or he’s not getting a contract extension.
rusty
January 12th, 2011
4:52 pm
MsDee are you crazy,mo,et & second rounder for iggy,get real or don’t blog stupid trades
O'Brien
January 12th, 2011
5:08 pm
MsDee,
Keep in mind is that the salaries much be within 125% of each other, and both teams must agree to the trade.
lewis
January 12th, 2011
5:12 pm
If Teague can’t learn to shoot from Bibby, JJ, Jamal, i don’t see how Nash will have an impact
Booo!
January 12th, 2011
5:33 pm
Pape Sy D-League Showcase interview with draftexpress:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0S2dknqHGc&feature=sub
KevinM
January 12th, 2011
5:49 pm
Steve Nash=no more defense than Bibby…..don’t you have to have ’some’ defense to survive a 7 game playoff series?
We still have to match up with DWade, Rondo or possibly Rose…not too worried about Nelson.
MsDee
January 12th, 2011
6:13 pm
@rusty
Like I said b4, PHILLY (THEIR FANS AS WELL) WANTS IGGY OUT..therefore, it wouldnt take much to give up for Philly to give him away!!!
MsDee
January 12th, 2011
6:15 pm
O’BRIEN,
Im aware of the salaries must matching and all..just needed to get that off my chest! I would love a combination like that on this Hawks team!!
fcbfan
January 12th, 2011
9:33 pm
Did the Hawks ever decide on whether you can exchange tickets from the Bucks game for either the Houston or Sacramento games?