Atlanta Hawks: Snow day (Update: Game On)
L.D. canceled Hawks practice today because of the inclement weather. So far tomorrow’s game vs. Milwaukee at Philips Arena is to be played as scheduled at 7 p.m. The Bucks are scheduled to leave Milwaukee at noon today for Hartsfield, where only one or two flights managed to land this morning.
UPDATE: The Bucks made it to Atlanta this afternoon. The Hawks released a statement late tonight updating the status of the game:
“As of late tonight, Tuesday’s Atlanta-Milwaukee game is scheduled to be played at 7 p.m. We will continue to have dialogue with the NBA and closely monitor the overnight weather conditions and city of Atlanta’s recommendations on the status of the roads and interstate systems before making a final decision.
If fans are unable to attend Tuesday’s contest, they will be able to redeem their game tickets over the course of the week at the Philips Arena Box Office for either Saturday’s game vs. Houston (7 p.m., January 15th), or Monday’s annual Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday game vs. Sacramento (4 p.m., January 17th).”
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superiorblogman
January 10th, 2011
8:38 pm
terrell
January 10th, 2011
5:51 pm
Superior, Denver isnt getting rid of Lawson. He’s their pg of the future.
Terrell, tell me how you know this? This is my problem with a lot of you blog people. How do you know what Denver is doing you can only assume or at best make an educated guess. My educated guess is they would make the trade for 2 extra picks in the very near future. You guys really are extensions of the ASG and Sund, no creativity or imagination
superiorblogman
January 10th, 2011
8:40 pm
For the record, none of the guys being mentioned in this trade proposal that centers around Carmelo are franchise players such as Carmelo, or are on his level to simplify it for you simple ones. So, who would have thought this lame trade would be possible earlier? Truthfully, everyone on sites like this insist it would have taken Al or Josh to get something like this done. You guys are just like Sund and the ASG underachieving and lazy.
Blast
January 10th, 2011
9:02 pm
Frankly, with the new offensive system, new defensive schemes, new possible line up with Twin, and Joe regaining his form, I think the sky is the limit for the Hawks. I feel they can go as far as they choose to go. So, I’m not buying into this 2nd round exit crap. This year, under LD, Hawks are finally playing the way I always envisioned them playing.
Much as I advocated with moving the ball, I thought last night Hawks overpassed on 2 trips at least, though they ended up with good results.
Hawks have a chance to overtake Bulls for 4th if they win their next few games.
Blast
January 10th, 2011
9:04 pm
Well, the game vs Indie was 2 days ago.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 10th, 2011
9:06 pm
Inferiorblogpunk!
Well Denver is NOT trading Carmelo because they want to!
They have to! So your argument is baseless and what is your point?
The Hawks are NOT gonna give their untouchables (Josh, Al, Joe) for Melo:
1. He ain’t LeBron, DWade, Kobe
2. He is lazy and doesn’t play defense, nor make his teammates better.
3. Has a bad attitude.
4. Is a high volume scorer, who does not pass the ball to nobody.
5. The Nets will win nothing that Denver hasn’t won while loaded at all the key positions.
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Carmelo is a Sexy Pick – But, I wouldn’t go crazy to get him!
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drmaryb (*_*)
January 10th, 2011
9:40 pm
Carmelo’s Career / Season Stats are OK @ SF, But Joe @ SG is much more impressive overall:
543 Career Games Played
36.2 / 35.3 MPG – (A 3 Qrtr Player) Joe lead the league 2 yrs ago.
24.7 PPG
.458. / .433 FGP (/ is current season)
.306 3PP (career)
6.3 / 2.2-OR 4.1-DR (career)
3.1 ASST (career)
.80 – FT
1.1 / 0.9 SPG (he is not a thief)
0.4 BPG
drmaryb (*_*)
January 10th, 2011
9:57 pm
Besides Melo is an UFA after this season, See NY! Why give anything at all fopr him, when he can walk through that door for nothing next year?
Denver has npo leverage, and will take whatever they can get.
NO TEAM offered ANYTHING for Melo except The Desperate NETS!
What happened top the other 32 Teams?
Duuuh! Why clean out your bank acct for a guy who says he will only sign with:
NY
Bulls?
oldtimer
January 10th, 2011
10:19 pm
Excellent article by Sekou on Melo trade
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/01/10/nets-nuggets-will-never-be-the-same/
Let’s get real. Melo is one of the cream of the NBA. He isn’t winning in Denver, because of lack of support. NJ is trading for him, because they have a billionaire owner who can afford him. Other 32 teams don’t have a man that is as rich, or as thirsty to make a splash. That makes a difference.
Also, Melo is not going to NY if he is traded to NJ. His agent is making sure there is supporting cast going there with him (why Hamilton is in mix). He will sign an extension for 3 years with Nets as part of the trade to NJ.
superiorblogman has a point, unless you ask and try, you never get anything. You have to try, and Sund is not trying to upgrade the point position.
oldtimer
January 10th, 2011
10:20 pm
Let’s get real. Melo is one of the cream of the NBA. He isn’t winning in Denver, because of lack of support. NJ is trading for him, because they have a billionaire owner who can afford him. Other 32 teams don’t have a man that is as rich, or as thirsty to make a splash. That makes a difference.
Also, Melo is not going to NY if he is traded to NJ. His agent is making sure there is supporting cast going there with him (why Hamilton is in mix). He will sign an extension for 3 years with Nets as part of the trade to NJ.
superiorblogman has a point, unless you ask and try, you never get anything. You have to try, and Sund is not trying to upgrade the point position.
brigadierjerry
January 10th, 2011
11:27 pm
Who do you think you would rather have Carmelo or Joe Johnson?Who do you feel is a better player?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 10th, 2011
11:32 pm
Nimbers Don’t Lie!
Neither one has won anything, they play different positions. I would rather have both. I’ll check Joe’s career stats, Joe’s may be better overall.
He certainly shares the ball, a whole lot more than 3.1 asst per game and doesn’t take as many shots to get his points, I’m sure.
ICECOLD
January 10th, 2011
11:32 pm
Omg!!! Yall are really trippin on my trade.. Its just a what if situation.. U chante get nothing I’d u don’t try.. They barckley getting melo without giving up nothing.. Why not somehow try to get brook lopez. And I said try to get nene or birdman for marvin if brook was impossible to get.. I’m saying trade marvin basically…
Ads josh smith is a way better small forward then marvin williams. This team is so much beyer with marvin gone. Our shows every game that he is out .
A second pick that is barely averaging ten a game.. Boi excuse for that in a motion offense!!!
brigadierjerry
January 10th, 2011
11:42 pm
drmaryb,
Enjoy your analysis Carmelo reminds me of you may disagree he reminds me a lot of Dominique and I am a big Nique fan from years ago. They both can score 20 points in their sleep but I always wondered Nique gams never translated into the wins when it counted. I wish they provided him with a second star to go with him by the time they got Moses and Theus they were past their prime. Would you be in favor of a Danny Granger or Igudola type of player on the Hawks?
drmaryb (*_*)
January 10th, 2011
11:45 pm
Melo has better overall stats than Joe. 7 pts more per game career stats.
Everything else is pretty identical, I.e. Rebs/assts/steals/blocks and scoring averages. They do play different positions and Joe plays lock-down defense on the perimeter, which gives him an edge. I didn’t check, but Joe probably takes less shots.
Still, I would rather have both, but Melo doesn’t want to play here anyways and has stated only two teams he would consider signing with.
So, whatever, we all must move on. We’re not getting Melo and never was as he is a soon to be UFA!
Ken Strickland
January 10th, 2011
11:46 pm
If LDrew doesn’t intend to use an OFF/DEF rotation with Bibby and Teague, he needs to acquire another PG that plays DEF for the playoffs. Al Horford made the All Star team last yr as a center, while Bibby is the NBA 41st rated PG.
That means 11 backup PG’s are rated ahead of him, yet some of you still insist that center, not PG, is our biggest weakness. WHERE’S THE LOGIC?
tjhook
January 10th, 2011
11:47 pm
I personally would like to see Sund pursue a trade with Houston. They could use a center (Zaza?) and I think Chase Budinger could be a good addition to our core. Figure out who else could go in this trade but I would enjoy having Budinger at the three instead of Marvin.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 10th, 2011
11:59 pm
Granger or Igudola would be awesome at SF for the Hawks!
Aye Sund! Do your job and fix your team – We got Needs!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
12:04 am
Focus!
The SF is not costing us games! We need a PG & C!
If we ain’t talking ’bout that? We ain’t talking ’bout NO(HING!
brigadierjerry
January 11th, 2011
12:04 am
drmaryb,
who would you give up to get either Granger or Igudola?I also like Deadre Jordan who is a free agent after this season who is on the Clippers. The funny thing is the Hawks are really only a player or two away from being elite level.
brigadierjerry
January 11th, 2011
12:08 am
I am aware of that but right now where is the center that can be available that can be had for cheap. Camby?Dalembert who is an expiring?Kaman? Also would you make a move for Nash?
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drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
12:13 am
Ismail Smith!
The only thing Houston got, that we NEED? Is that PG who was balling in the Summer League – Ismail Smith caught my eye and put a twinkle in it!
Dude looked like Kenny “The Jet” Smith from back in the day when Rod Strickland and Isaiah Thomas played. True PG’s and not some Tweener – Weener that keeps coming out of college early and can’t fkg play the 1 (can’t shoot) nor the 2 (too small), like the b!tches we keep drafting:
Ed Gray
Rumeal Robinson
Salim Stoudamire
Acie Law
Jason Terry
JT0
Who was that little PG we drafted, the year we took Demar Johnson? His azz too!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
12:19 am
Camby, Kaman and Nash! Sign them up!
Dalembert is a pile of horse sh!t … Lazy as a bum and narcissistic as hell.
I call him HellBoy – Cancer in the locker room! LOL
Dalembert is the healthier version of Eddie Curry – a waste of human tissue and cells! LOL!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
12:25 am
Brevin Knight!
Yeah add his name to the Tweener-Weener list too! He was drafted with Demarr Johnson and Roshown McCloud was another bust from Duke to go along with Sheldon “The LandLord” with no tenants! Slum-Lord I say! LOL!
Wow! Have we missed in all the Drafts for the last 20 years! Who is our talent scout? Do we even have one? If so, fire his azz too! LOL!
Section 303
January 11th, 2011
12:31 am
My hope was that the game tomorrow would be called. Looking very doubtful that I will be able to make it to Philips. Less than a 10% chance.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
2:42 am
Another Bad Pick!
Adam Keefe … SMH!
Thanks Peter and Stanley you two were really, really great at ruining this storied franchise. Give your own selves a standing ovation – Now take a bow!
Jae Evolution
January 11th, 2011
3:02 am
We should eventually trade Teague, and then we should look to draft Brandon Knight from Kentucky and he will become the PG of our ‘dreams’
Mido
January 11th, 2011
3:48 am
Marvin Williams
Pts- 11
FG%- .488
3FG%- .302
Reb- 4.8
Ast- 1.4
Blk- .23
Stl- .60
SALARY – 7.5M$
Dorell Wright
Pts- 16.5
FG%- .426
3FG%- .419
Reb- 5.8
Ast- 2.9
Blk- .73
Stl- 1.38
SALARY – 3.5M$
MARVIN = SUCKS AND OVERPAID!!!
Sund please get us d.wright and trade marvin’s ass for a serviceable center.
Paul
January 11th, 2011
4:12 am
This is partially off-topic, but I feel I need to lend some people a bit of advice as far as stats go. I often notice people comparing players from different teams based upon stats, and while this makes sense in principle, there are several things that you need to keep in mind when doing this. First off, comparison based purely upon stats is poor, overall. There are just too many factors.
Unless the players you are comparing played the same position with the same teammates in the same offensive/defensive system, it’s tough to really compare them against eachother correctly. Teammates make a huge difference. Playing alongside dominant or “star” players is quite a bit different from being “the man” on your team, so often players who put up huge numbers on bad teams are overrated due to the fact that they are centerpieces of their team, with little support, meaning that they have incredible opportunities to rack up stats such as scoring. Usage rate is huge when comparing players.
Also, systems make a huge difference. Players that play in uptempo systems such as the one used by the Knicks are always going to put up bigger numbers than they would in slower paced systems, simply due to the fact that there are more possessions available. More possessions equals more field goal attempts, more potential rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, etc.
One more thing. Going back to teammates, even if you don’t play alongside a star, the quality and talent of your teammates can strongly effect your statistics in various areas, even outside of scoring. For example, certain players may be great rebounders on one team, but they see their production in that area drop on another due to whom they play alongside. Take a look at Dwight Howard for example. He often leads the league in rebounding, and make no mistake about it, he is indeed an excellent rebounder, but one of the reasons why his rebounding numbers are so impressive is due to the fact that he is the only good rebounder on his team, and he has the paint almost exclusively to himself in the system that the Magic run. When two players have similar talents and play alongside eachother, it is often going to mitigate some of their statistics, even if it is only to a small extent. It can also have the reverse effect.
These are just some things to keep in mind when you are comparing players by stats. Stats don’t tell the whole story, but they can give you a nice general impression at times. Sometimes, even “nimbers” lie.
Jerome
January 11th, 2011
4:20 am
Why do you people hate on Marvin so much?
He’s not a big time scorer or anything like that, but that’s not what we need out of him anyway. All we need out of Marvin is solid defense and the ability to hit shots when he is called upon, and, for the most part, he has given us that in recent weeks. People talk about how low Marvin’s numbers are, but what do you expect? It’s not like he takes the same number of shots as Joe, Jamal, or Josh who take the majority of the team’s shots. If Marvin would take a higher volume of shots to score more, he would be taking shots away from more efficient scorers like Horford, which is obviously a bad thing.
Sometimes, I don’t know what you people want out of Marvin. He’s not a star player, and he has a very small role as far as starters go. He’s basically the 4th or 5th option among starters. Is he overpaid? Maybe, actually, probably, but that’s not his fault. That is ASG’s fault. However, I don’t see that it is really Marvin’s problem, he is just doing what he is asked. He doesn’t make stupid decisions and hurt the team while he is on the court, and sometimes, you forget that he is out there, but as long as he isn’t hurting the team and is playing strong defense, I don’t see much to complain about, considering his extremely limited role on the team. He shouldn’t be getting paid as much as he is being paid for that small of a role, but there’s nothing that we can do about that.
Mido
January 11th, 2011
4:27 am
Paul
I get your point but I’ve been following d.wright since he was still with miami and i think his skill set is perfect for this team. IMO he would’ve been great addition if only we signed him instead of giving underachieving marvin his huge contract. I don’t mind keeping marvin if we signed him for less of what he’s getting now.
CCC 6-14
January 11th, 2011
4:45 am
Call it off!
I’m stuck!
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
6:57 am
Paul
Thank you for the post there. In my own defense, I specifically noted different positions being compared: SF vs SG. Also, different roles on different teams.
Guards facilitate the scoring of Forwards, (duuh..).
And, even though “Nimbers don’t Lie”? They do tell a story:
My desire would be to have both players, NOT one over the other:
Several posts back, I purported, “Marvin is not the reason we lose games, our greater need is PG and C.”
In case you can’t comprehend, I’ll repeat it again:
“drmaryb (*_*)
Nimbers Don’t Lie!
January 10th, 2011
11:32 pm
Neither one has won anything, they play different positions. I would rather have both. I’ll check Joe’s career stats, Joe’s may be better overall.
He certainly shares the ball, a whole lot more than 3.1 asst per game and doesn’t take as many shots to get his points, I’m sure”
-drmaryeb (*_*)
Jamillion
January 11th, 2011
8:00 am
GOOD POINT BOUT THE STATISTICS. ITS TRUE.DR. MARY HIS COMMENTS WERE ABOUT WRIGHT VS MARVIN.& WRIGHT
Jamillion
January 11th, 2011
8:04 am
And anyone tell u they’ll take jj ova melo is in my 2pac voice.”really on that dope”
dap01
January 11th, 2011
8:22 am
Come on Larry, extend the minutes for Teague. Bibby will stay fresh and we may develop a pg that can provide a few minutes of penetration and defense.
Or perhaps you don’t remember the playoffs from the past two year.
O'Brien
January 11th, 2011
8:51 am
Section 303,
In case you don’t make it to the game, at least you get to enjoy Dominique’s unique analysis and pronunciations
brigadierjerry,
Do you have a sister named Nancy?
As for the Melo trade, the million dollar question is will he sign an extension with the Nets? If he doesn’t sign the 3 year extension, then the Nets will not complete the trade.
I’m looking forward to the Hawks game tonight, and I hope the Hawks give the Bucks a beat down. That way, we might actually see JC2 and JT0 get PT.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
9:20 am
Play Your Hand!
O’Brien
I sure hope JC2 and JT0 get some PT too. For all your efforts and campaigning and Worldwide Clyde too. It’s like you got two shiny red go-carts for X-Mas and now it’s January 11, 2010 and you just want to – “pop a wheely” , show it off and just let somebody know – You’re a Big Man now!
LOL! Seriously though, I know everybody wants to see the training wheels come off and let that thing fly. Maybe tonight, the wheels pop?
I sure hope so, for the Love of Basketball and The Fans!
Section 303
January 11th, 2011
9:51 am
O’Brien, that’s true. ‘Nique provides some of the most unintentional funny stuff on TV.
Jamilliondadon
January 11th, 2011
9:54 am
& any1 think iggy or danny are stars are really on that dope.Danny would be marvin with no d if he was here
Jamilliondadon
January 11th, 2011
9:58 am
& iggy is a quicker josh, sans the defense, rebounding,blocks, and passing. So both are obsolete. And anyone who thinks jamal is better than nash is really on dat dope.
Jamilliondadon
January 11th, 2011
10:01 am
& iggy is a quicker josh, sans the defense, rebounding,blocks, and passing. So both are obsolete.& if u think nash isn’t better than jamal, or can help this team u really on that dope!
KevinM
January 11th, 2011
10:07 am
Re: more PT for Teague: we all want to see it, we all want to get him ready for the playoffs, but apparently LD is not comfortable with him on the court…at all.
So Sund is going to have to go with what he has, which is what he will do, or find himself a team looking to dump a PG (yep, that’s going on every day in the NBA)
Bibby is the 41st best PG in the league? Now that’s comical. He and Marvin are making a great living off their Sund-induced signings.
Prediction: this roster has no significant change to the core as we ride out the snowstorm (run it in Big Ray!), the playoffs, and the CBA.
I guess Sund is hoping the frontrunners wear themselves down and implode so the core can waltz right into a 4-5 seed. Sounds right considering we are 39 games into this lineup and waiting on Marvin to come back for additional firepower.
4 more back-to-backs this month with Miami 7 days away. Looks like we are solidifying our 4-5 seed heading into February. Chicago in a 7 game series anyone? 3 games with them in March! What a crazy schedule.
Jamilliondadon
January 11th, 2011
10:18 am
Hawks have enough talent if played accordingly to be elite, coach needs to give jto & jordan some burn. And i am not afraid of the bulls
Jamilliondadon
January 11th, 2011
10:31 am
If we can get anything for bibby mo we’ll be good.
honest_abe
January 11th, 2011
10:58 am
why not offer free admission to those brave enough to make the game???? oh ya we have the asg who would steal from a blind homeless person.
gwite
January 11th, 2011
11:02 am
Let’s take this Bibby-Teague thing to the extreme(which is probably how a coach plays it, “development” be damned. (He’ll develop when he develops).
Do you Teague enthusiasts really think the Hawks would be as good if Teague started and played starters minutes? I certainly don’t.
Hawks were losers before Bibby. Day one since Bibby, winners.
drmaryb (*_*)
January 11th, 2011
11:02 am
O’Brien
You must admit that Nique pales in comparison to Barkley on TNT National Media. Charles has his own Pictionary!!! He just be making up words and like
Mr. MaGoo is oblivious to it all!
ROF-LOL!
gwite
January 11th, 2011
11:04 am
Day one Bibby, day one!
kwooden1
January 11th, 2011
11:45 am
Check out Salim S. in the D-League. He plays for the Reno Bighorns. He’s sporting the long hair and beard look.