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Hawks 108, Pacers 93

12:55 am January 9, 2011, by Ken Sugiura

Greetings, all-

Pretty solid effort for the Hawks, particularly after the half.

- Hawks had 36 baskets and 27 came on assists. It’s not their highest percent of assisted baskets, but it’s close. I asked Larry Drew Saturday morning what statistics were important to him, and the one thing he mentioned was assists, as it helps him gauge how the ball movement is. He sounds very encouraged by what he’s seeing, not surprisingly.

Drew: “I think in watching Joe and watching Al and Josh and all those guys, it seems like they’re stating to really pick up what were trying to do and they’re having fun with it.”

I thought it was a pretty sharp game for them, passing-wise. Joe Johnson had some good touch passes to set up Mike Bibby, and there were several out of the post to spot-up shooters.

- Drew said he had concerns about the team not having its legs after coming back off the road. I seem to remember hearing the same thing recently, that the first game at home after a road trip is often kind of difficult. Energy can be lacking, etc. I don’t quite fully understand the reasoning – I guess maybe you’re still weary from the travel – but his concerns were founded. He said the team was winded early and he had to challenge players at halftime. He said the team was “clearly being outran” in the first half.

They took control after the half. It helps, I imagine, that the team that they had to take control from was the Pacers, who are a pretty weak bunch, although they certainly frustrated the Hawks.

- Josh Smith on playing Tyler Hansbrough: “Psycho T, isn’t that what they call him? You definitely have to match his intensity. He’s definitely a hard-nosed, hard-working player. You’ve just got to keep your eye on him every possession.”

- Drew on mismatches (including Smith-Hansbrough): “I thought we did a good job of that tonight. Our first couple wins against Indiana, we did the exact same thing, just went to some of the matchup problems, and if they didn’t come down, we scored. If they did, we got the ball out and made them pay.”

- Johnson: “I thought we came out pretty aggressive, but we got a little lackadaisical there in the first half and really let them back in it. It happens, but in the second half we pulled away.”

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superiorblogman

January 9th, 2011
1:11 am

Should have been worse and we still need a legit C that demands to start every game and a PG that can push and or play some really good D. Simply put we still need atleast 2 moves

ATL FAN

January 9th, 2011
1:12 am

FIRST!!!!!!!!! GO HAWKS!!!

Hawks Fan In Aints Nation

January 9th, 2011
1:24 am

Yes!!! Thanks to the Hawks from another sport on another coast I won’t have to relive the torture of another deep playoff run and the obnoxious WHO DAT Nation!!!
Onto our Hawks, J Smoove with a great all round game. JJ is slowly pulling his scoring avg back up to par. I agree with superiorblogman – we are two moves away from walking away with the conference. Nash? Collison? Anybody but Bibby as our starting pg. Bibby needs to be our on call assassin nothing more nothing less.
Have to keep the streak going – Orlando is going to have a let up eventually and we have to take advantage.

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Miles D

January 9th, 2011
2:46 am

Hawks fans try this link! http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine . If we could somehow pull off a trade for Nash and keep Teague! Definintely would be a REAL FORCE!! LET’S GO HAWKS!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 9th, 2011
5:05 am

ESPN’s trade machine tells me that my idea of sending Jamal and Marvin to the Suns for Nash and Childress can’t work, because the Hawks can’t reacquire Childress until June 30. So much for that.

Ramon

January 9th, 2011
6:44 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3×8utqv

Najeh, I think this a trade that brings Nash here.

Hawks get:
Steve Nash
Marcus Camby

Suns get:
Jamal Crawford
Zaza Pachulia
Andre Miller

Portland gets:
Robin Lopez
Josh Childress
J. Teague
M. Evans
And 2nd Round pick

This trade works, and the Hawks are still able to sign Stackhouse for added depth at the wing position. Marvin becomes JC1, and instantly becomes one of the best 6th men in the league. Camby is way better than Zaza and adds even more options for the playoffs. Phoenix gets a point guard who is still effective, plus $10 mil in expiring contracts, and Zaza. Portland gets rid of the team’s cancer in Miller, and the 2 years left on Camby’s deal. They pick up a young center in case they can’t come to terms with Oden. And they also pick up a young SF and a PG to go along with the expiring contract of M. Evans.

sam'

January 9th, 2011
7:30 am

I appreciate the creativity, but any trade that loses Jamal is a bad trade.

The guy deserves to be here…….he’s a winner……and an artist….and the Hawks can use him as they claw their way upward.

Bite the bullet…..take out some cash…….and make him smile.

.

Ramon

January 9th, 2011
7:35 am

Sam, you say Jamal’s a winner. But you think he’s more of a winner than Nash? Giving up Jamal for Nash is a steal! Nash shoots better than Jamal, creates offense for teammates better than Jamal, and has won more in the playoffs than Jamal. Nash and Horford/Josh in the pick and roll would be deadly against any team in the playoffs. When the Hawks face teams in the playoffs, they’re going to need a facilitator, not an isolator. When the Celtics and Heat bog the lane down in the middle, Crawford has nowhere to go without forcing a shot.

Major de`Coverly

January 9th, 2011
8:01 am

These players seem to like to play together so a big changeover would mess up their togetherness. especially jamaal who likes to play here and may be a small trade would be just the ticket.

drmaryb (*_*)

January 9th, 2011
8:11 am

“Crawford has nowhere to go without forcing a shot.”
______________________________

Jamal can go outside or inside. It doesn’t matter, jamal and joe can always get their own.

dap01

January 9th, 2011
8:24 am

The Hawks are playing great. But the opportunity to get Nash would be too hard to pass up.

Big Ray

January 9th, 2011
8:26 am

Nash is a heck of a pg. But he is no better a defender than Jamal, and often…worse.

Big Ray

January 9th, 2011
8:28 am

Now adding Marcus Camby to the mix makes me feel a lot better.

Where’s all the Nash talk coming from anyway? Who says Phoenix wants to trade him, or that he wants to leave?

darrell starks

January 9th, 2011
8:33 am

Your not trading JC1 with the chemistry he is now bringing 2 the table, the guy is now healthy and is the best 6man in the nba you don’t mess with that.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

January 9th, 2011
8:44 am

The more we look at this collins is the perfect fit at center, last night he didn’t play and the hawks still won, that was a mistake on LD part because you have keep the chemistry there on defense, my opinion collins should starte every game so him and starter can play by committee on defense and become better everynight.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

January 9th, 2011
8:51 am

CAMBY 37YEARS OLD
NASH 37YEARS OLD
THAT’S 2 OLD NO FUTURE YOU DON’T BREAK UP TEAM FOR THAT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

January 9th, 2011
8:57 am

If the hawks make a move try and get ellis, warrior’s have 2 do somthing no way they continue 2 have ellis, curry starting in back court together.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Ramon

January 9th, 2011
9:04 am

Major, the Wizards used to LOVE to play together. The Mavericks loved to play together. What have they won though? The Lakers and Celtics always have problems in the locker room (Artest, Odum, Bynum, Bryant, Rasheed, Rondo, Davis, Nate Robinson), and the still win. The Hawks like to play together when they’re winning. Three weeks ago, they didn’t seem as if they liked to play together. When Josh and Al were getting pissed and telling Sekou the team needs to share the ball more, they didn’t seem like they liked playing together. I have never heard a player say they didn’t like playing with Steve Nash. I bet Joe would be ecstatic to have Nash on the team. And Nash would instantly raise the play level of Josh and Al. As I said Jamal is a very good player. But he is not the type of player to make his teammates better. And against a zone defense, or swarming defense (like the ones the Hawks will face in the playoffs), Jamal’s game will drop off. Remember, Jamal hasn’t really done this against Eastern playoff teams. Jamal is only averaging 13 points against the Celtics, Magic, and Heat this season. In May, its not about how many points you can put on the Clippers, Kings, Jazz, or Pacers. Its about how many points you can put on the Celtics, Magic, Heat, and now Bulls.

darrell starks

January 9th, 2011
9:16 am

Ramon why would you trade nash for jamal ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Floze

January 9th, 2011
9:36 am

If we could get phoenix to take some sort of package with Bibby and not Jamal that would be perfect. Nash with this group would not only produce more wins but it would put butts in seats. But then again, why would anyone trade Bibby for Nash?

Rufus1

January 9th, 2011
10:00 am

Elite Style Victory

We are starting to make it look easy…

Ramon

January 9th, 2011
10:32 am

If I was Phoenix, I would trade Nash for Crawford and Zaza because it would give me over $25 million in expiring contracts (including Vince Carter’s) and it opens up the possibility to trade under performing Robin Lopez and Lopez’s attitude. It also give me half of a season of giving the fans a player who can excel in the up and down game that Gentry loves to play.

Now if I’m Atlanta, I do the trade because Nash is still one of the best point guards in the league. And Nash averages more points than JC1, while giving you 12-13 assists per game. When was the last time JC1 had 12 assists in a game? 12 assists to go with 18 points, is one man being responsible for 40 points a game, compared to JC 18 points and 3-4 assists a game (which is 24 points a game). Also Steve Nash has performed in the PLAYOFFS where JC1 has yet to do.

lp

January 9th, 2011
11:48 am

No to the nash for jamal, nash needs the ball 95% of the time to be effective. We have players who need the ball to be effective also. I don’t think it would work.

O'Brien

January 9th, 2011
2:19 pm

lp,

Nash averages 11 assists per game, so he is very willing to set uys up.

Overall, I like the way the Hawks have been playing of late. But I need to see them keep up this level of play against good teams (the Utah win was a big step in that direction).

I would like to see how they look on 1/18 @ Miami, 1/21 vs N.O., 1/29 @ Dallas. Can they keep it up? because in the playoffs, the defense steps up, and teams will clog the lane, so we have to continue making shots to have a chance to advance to the second round and beyond.

I like the way the players seem fully bought in to LD’s system now though.

superiorblogman

January 9th, 2011
3:04 pm

When I say we need a Center that demands to start every game and a PG that can either change the pace and or play some defense I am not typing or speaking of Nash and Camby. I laugh when people jump all over guys like JJ and sometimes Jamal for holding the ball too much. Nash does the same damn thing if you watch the games, he holds the ball trying to set teammates up, Nash is not the answer to anything other than “Maybe” hype and ticket sales.

I am thinking more along the lines of Javale McGee or Marc Gasol or even Gortat if all else fails. I am thinking Devin Harris, Rodney Stuckey or Jonny Flynn as the PG. How unlucky were we for the Nuggets to select Lawson at 18 and we had to settle for Teague at 19? I saw TJ Ford try to post Teague last night, that’s the rep Teague has in the league right now. Noone respects his game, add me to that.

Another GM

January 9th, 2011
3:24 pm

Hawks will not send out several players to get one. First the Hawks have to decide if they want to keep Crawford or not. If so, then go ahead and sign him and not wait for the summer for it to get nasty. I think the Hawks will wait to the summer and the collective bargaining agreement to get a cheap deal. This is a franchise that has ownership that does not allow the general manager to make any decisions. The GM Rick Sund is nothing more than a puppet.

Floze

January 9th, 2011
3:33 pm

Did I just read that ROdney Stuckey would be a better fit than Steve Nash?

Major de`Coverly

January 9th, 2011
3:43 pm

Coach drew wants jamaal and jamaal wants to be on his team here so keep him and everybody playing together happy. marvin dont seem as happy as all the other players on the team and jamaal. trade for a player that will fit in and make everybody have fun and play defence.

Sam

January 9th, 2011
3:58 pm

Was it just me or did anyone else see Damien Wilkins out there playing last night? I thought the hawks cut him. 10 day contract or something?

jay

January 9th, 2011
4:28 pm

1st go hawks 2nd is jj a beast or what he need to get elbow surgery every year 3rd that trade isnt going to work because the hawks would be giving up to many young players for not very many old vets if anything we need to give up mike bibby teague is still coming into his game and is getting better and the only person that we should trade jamal for is carmelo no matter how impossibile it is

ryan

January 9th, 2011
7:16 pm

Nets , Nuggets and Pistons could be close to a blockbuster trade involving Mello .

Ken Strickland

January 9th, 2011
7:39 pm

If the Hawks remain serious about doing a better job in the playoffs, they had better do something about Bibby and his MATADOR DEF. While he’s had a few good gms on DEF, for him, that won’t happen during the playoffs.

We’ll be involved in a 7gm series with the same team, and they’ll be targeting Bibby every gm. We won’t have the luxury of playing weak teams that either can’t or won’t take advantage of the DEF liability and OFF limitations we have at PG.

I don’t see SNash as a solution either, since we aren’t having problems with pts or assists. We’re having problems with perimeter DEF, and SNash DEFINITELY isn’t a solution for that problem. With Nash replacing Bibby, and with his need to control the ball to be effective, his 11-12 assists would basically be replacing the assists we’re currently getting from JJ, Josh, Jamal and Bibby.

Keep in mind, with Jamal gone, we’d lose his assists and scoring, while JJ, Josh and Bibby’s assists and assist opportunities would be reduced considerably, with Nash dominating the ball. We don’t need an AllStar caliber PG, especially a 37yr old future HOF one. We need a PG with the speed, quickness, and mental toughness to play above average DEF. He also needs to be able to penetrate, dish, and/or finish.

Mike is back

January 9th, 2011
8:26 pm

Missed the game dropping off my sweet pea back at school…glad the Hawks kept their winning streak going at home…my son told me the Hawks had a dominating performance…glad we didn’t have a let down.

I would love to have Nash wear a Hawks Uni…just hope it doesn’t cost us JC1…no way I trade Jamal.

Good Win…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

James B.

January 9th, 2011
9:46 pm

OK-Rick Sund. It’s time to get in on that Nets-Nuggets-Pistons deal by offering Mike Bibby, Maurice Evans and Etan Thomas to the Nuggets for exchange for Devin Harris (since the salaries match) and agree to use your trade exception to accept Johan Petro–a guy you drafted when you were Seattle’s GM–to facilitate the deal.

Harris is that complete PG that LD desires and by adding him to a starting line-up that includes JJ, Smith, Horford and Collins, this team now has a better balanced line-up, more athleticism, better ball-handling on the break and much better on-the-ball defense.

Denver will accept Harris as part of the Carmelo Anthony deal but doesn’t really want his long-term contract. They’d much rather have the expiring contracts of Evans and Thomas as well as Bibby’s deal which expires next year. And if you have to accept Petro to get Harris, well–there are worse fates than exchanging someone who never plays (Thomas) for a 24-year old 7-footer who may develop into a credible back-up.

Now’s the time–

FALCONS FAN

January 9th, 2011
10:57 pm

After reading the post. I have to agree that the 2 main positions that we need to address is PG and C. Why not trade Jamal if we dont plan on re-signing. You would loose him for nothing. I like the Nash trade. I cant imagine how much better our offense and the players surrounding nash would be. Nash can give you everything Jamal can give you and more. The biggest difference between the 2 is that Nash makes everybody around him better where Jamal doesn’t. Yes nash holds the ball a lot but so does JJ and JC1. Atleast with Nash holding the ball he’s trying to find and creat ways of making easy baskets. As far as a big man goes. I dont know who is available as a big man goes but I wouldn’t mind trading for an eddie curry or one of the lopez brothers. We dont need a dominating center we just need someone who can contribute consistantly. From what I hear Johnny Flynn is on the tradeing block. He will be a good fit. He can shoot, drive, create and he is tough. A great finisher in the paint. My first choice would be Nash though. I love his game. I love a point gaurd who looks to creat for others first. Plus he would be the best shooter on our team even if we kept Jamal.

EmirS.

January 9th, 2011
11:54 pm

This is the Nuggets/Pistions/Nets trade:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25pvwez

Alright, So I dont quite follow figures in the NBA as far as money. I dont understand how the trade works. Are’nt some numbers suppose to be lthe same or something? I really have no clue…at all. Can someone explain how these trades work?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 10th, 2011
12:04 am

“I would love to have Nash wear a Hawks Uni…just hope it doesn’t cost us JC1…no way I trade Jamal.”

I don’t think any of us want to lose Jamal, but if you have a chance to get a future Hall of Fame point guard, to me you do it. I honestly think the Hawks with Nash would be a better team than last year’s Suns team which went to the western conference finals.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 10th, 2011
12:10 am

F-cking blog monster…

Ken Strickland

January 10th, 2011
1:20 am

NAJEH-I’m all for getting a HOF PG, but do we really need one that’s damn near as old as the one’s already in the HOF? I’d much rather resign Jamal and make him our starting PG.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 10th, 2011
1:58 am

“I’m all for getting a HOF PG, but do we really need one that’s damn near as old as the one’s already in the HOF? I’d much rather resign Jamal and make him our starting PG.”

Jamal is not a point guard any more than Jason Terry is a point guard. A real point guard makes the game easier for his teammates by setting them up with easy shots. CP3, Deron Williams, Nash, Rondo… these are point guards. Jamal is an undersized shooting guard. A really good one, but still, he’s a shooting guard.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 10th, 2011
2:00 am

And I’d be more concerned by Nash’s age if he hadn’t spent the last 6 years defying everyone who thought he was washed up. If you remember, people were wondering when he signed his original five year deal with Phoenix whether he would be worth it by the end of his deal. Not only was he worth it, but they extended him, and he hasn’t slipped at all this season. Considering how good he is right now at age 37, I’m not all that worried about him falling off.

sam'

January 10th, 2011
7:12 am

“Leave Jamal alone”…….

Britanny Spears

dap01

January 10th, 2011
7:54 am

I would never worry about a PG’s age when we have Bibby (who plays good but…) has the mobility of a 45 year old man.

dap01

January 10th, 2011
7:56 am

Great post Ken Strickland!

Ramon

January 10th, 2011
7:59 am

Ken, I actually see Nash having more HIGH productive years left than Tony Parker or Harris. The difference between Nash and JC is, when JC’s shot isn’t falling he’s looks all out of sorts. When Jamal isn’t scoring, he has nothing else that he contributes to the game consistently besides more shot attempts. Nash would instantly become our best assistant coach on the team as well. Right now we don’t have any guard who pushes the break consistently while looking for someone coming to fill the lane. Nash changes all of that. With more running, Nash best defense becomes the ability to get fouls on the other team’s player in result of their failed attempts to get back. Don’t have to play All Star defense if the opposing PG has 2 fouls in the first quarter. Also, while JC may be a better ’scorer’ Nash still remains a better shooter than JC. That means Nash and Joe would work better with the big line up, in case of anyone trying to play zone against the Hawks in the PLAYOFFS. As I’ve said, this run of JC has been entertaining and instrumental. But its all been in the regular season. Nash has constantly performed in the playoffs against the best teams of the decade (Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Nuggets). IMO Nash makes this team better than Orlando, because it takes Bass and Howard out of the game. Nash also makes this team very capable of beating Boston and Miami in seven games. Philips Arena is always crazy in the playoff. Imagine the new showtime, and how it will ignite the crowd at the chance to actually make it to ECF and farther. I’d love to be able to attain Nash without giving up JC (Marvin instead). But I doubt Phoenix would take that when they still have Dudley and Chills for 4+ seasons. IF Phoenix would accept a package of Bibby, Marvin, Teague, and a 1 first round pick for Nash and Dudley, I would say jump all over it.

Melvin

January 10th, 2011
8:48 am

Hawks need to get into the Nets, Nuggets and Pistons trade. It’s reported that Denver may be willing to move Devin Harris. Get it done, Sund…

Melvin

January 10th, 2011
8:50 am

I wouldn’t mind Nash on the Hawks only if they get rid of Bibby to do it. No need to have both guys on the roster.

Diego

January 10th, 2011
9:15 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22vaosu

Hawks: Curry, Biedrins, Prince
Warriors: Smoove
Pistons: JC1, Etan Thomas

Can we get this deal done?

KevinM

January 10th, 2011
9:22 am

If you can improve on Bibby and Marvin (and you should be able to), then move them in a package and let’s keep our bench scoring. We are still winning without Marvin, so I don’t see a big impact if he doesn’t stay here in Atlanta. Accept who he is, and take a contract that someone else is trying to dispose of.
You guys want a PG? Its a shame Conley got a new deal…I still pine for his type of ability to drive to the basket. He also carries that 3-1 assist to TO ratio…not sure if he would be dealt after signing a long term deal though.
The Hawks have to make a move to show a serious attempt at playoff advancement. Bibby and the current bench won’t get it done.

KevinM

January 10th, 2011
9:25 am

Diego, interesting, but Curry isn’t a PG and you aren’t bringing him off the bench. Prince puts Marvin on the bench, but not sure about any defense from Biedrins either.
It might take JC1 or Smoove to get us a frontline PG and/or a big man.

O'Brien

January 10th, 2011
10:14 am

On the season, Nash is 117-129 (91%) from the FT line, in 33 mpg. Bibby, on the other hand, is 23-37 (62%) from the FT line, in 30 mpg.

So although Nash doesn’t shoot the 3 like Bibby, he is penetrating, he is getting fouled, and he’s making his foul shots.

Both play bad defense, and their assist to turnover ratio is close. But Nash is a HOF PG who would excite the fan base, and I think he would excite the players (even if they don’t say it loud), because Nash would get everybody easier shots.

Melvin,

If we trade Jamal for Nash, then Bibby would be needed to run the bench unit.

Jamillion

January 10th, 2011
10:24 am

Diego that by far is the most absurd trade i’ve seen yet. Why give up two of our best three players for trash? Don’t understand the logic and we still don’t receive a pg in the deal.

Jamillion

January 10th, 2011
10:28 am

And i would try my best to keep jamal. Hell good teams get better by keeping good players.Give them marvin like they wanted

terrell

January 10th, 2011
10:37 am

Melo and Billups headed to NJ.

terrell

January 10th, 2011
10:40 am

Correction:
Melo, Billups, and Richard Hamilton headed to NJ.
Favors, Devin Harris to Denver
Petro, Troy Murphy to Detroit

terrell

January 10th, 2011
10:44 am

And Harris will be moved by Denver. Possibly back to Dallas.

terrell

January 10th, 2011
10:59 am

Perhaps we can send Marvin and Teague to Denver for Harris?

Boooo!

January 10th, 2011
11:01 am

Are you PPL High? O.O

We have the expiring contracts to land DEVIN HARRIS!!!

Why are you still talking about Bibby/Nash!

Bibby, Mo, and Etan To denver for Harris

Get er’Done Rick Sund!

Earn your Paycheck!

Boooo!

January 10th, 2011
11:05 am

Nene For Marvin after that? It could work since damien is a better defender (for LeBoob). I would definetly start Nene alongside Horf and Smoove. Nene is only 6-10 but he is bigger/stronger than Horf and has a nice array of post moves. He could be that consistant inside scoring presence that we desperately need.

terrell

January 10th, 2011
11:13 am

Boooo, I dont really want to move Jamal though. Thats why I gave them Marvin. He can replace Melo.

Boooo!

January 10th, 2011
11:13 am

Of couse if we land Nene for Marvin, that probably permanetly pushes Smoove into wing duty because of all the frontcourt bodies. The good news is that all of these moves will result in Boston and Orlando no longer being real threats to us on the peremeter (Rondo/Nelson) OR in the paint(Big Baby/O’neal x 2/Perkins/KG/Harangody).

terrell

January 10th, 2011
11:14 am

Its not a done deal yet though. Billups wants to stay in Denver and will request a buyout if moved.

terrell

January 10th, 2011
11:16 am

Sund is probably out building a snow man while all of this is going on. Get yo azz on the phone.

Boooo!

January 10th, 2011
11:16 am

terrell, I dont think we need to give up jamal in order for the numbers to work in the Harris deal. I dont think Denver would mind either since J.R Smith is baisically a poor mans jamal and they’ve been trying to move him for over a year now.

Boooo!

January 10th, 2011
11:18 am

Why chauncey? WHY!

Boooo!

January 10th, 2011
11:20 am

“Sund is probably out building a snow man while all of this is going on. Get yo azz on the phone.”

Co-sign

terrell

January 10th, 2011
11:43 am

So what expirings were you referring to do we have to go after Harris, if Jamal’s not included? I thought Mo and Jamal were the only two we had.

terrell

January 10th, 2011
11:45 am

Coorection:
So what expirings were you referring to, if we were to go after Harris, if Jamal’s not included?

terrell

January 10th, 2011
11:46 am

Correction:
Ah, you know what I mean. lol!

STRETCH

January 10th, 2011
12:07 pm

TERRELL, YOUR 11:16 WAS HILARIOUS!!!

Boooo!

January 10th, 2011
12:11 pm

terrell, LOL. I just meant Mo, Etan, and Bibby for Harrris. Bibby comes off the books next season but DEN can probably move him to a team that needs a PG….like Minnesota or LA.

ryan

January 10th, 2011
12:20 pm

I wounder if Billups might be a deal breaker i still think Mello will end up as a Knick I wish the Hawks could get in that trade and get Billups .

O'Brien

January 10th, 2011
12:37 pm

Guys,

Although Bibby has played well for us, I dont think he has much trade value until next year when his contract is expiring.

And nobody wants Etan (dude has played 18 minutes all season). Mo might be movable because his $2.5 mil is expiring.

But what Rick would like us to forget, is that the Hawks have a $3 mil TPE from the Chills trade. So the Hawks can trade for a player in that price range, if the other team is looking to cut costs.

Ken Strickland

January 10th, 2011
3:16 pm

NAJEH-You’re right, Jamal isn’t a PG, but he has enough PG skills to be very effective in our OFF system, which doesn’t require true PG skills. I’m certain you’ll agree that Bibby is a true PG, even though he seldom penetrates, doesn’t break down DEF’s or create easy scoring opportunities, especially inside the lane.

Yet, you feel he can’t effectively run the OFF as a PG, even though he can do everything Bibby does, and all of the things he doesn’t do. Our ability to score has been a far bigger strength than our ability to defend, especially on the perimeter. With SNash at PG, the Suns have been a prolific scoring machine, but their lack of DEF, especially perimeter DEF, has been their undoing.

Why try to coverup our perimeter DEF problems by trading valuable assets for an OFF minded 37 yr old PG that’s an worse defender than Bibby? While we’ve understandibly been rather inconsistent offensively, due to injuries to key players, we’ve proven our ability to score pts. However, we’ve consistently struggled with defending quick, fast athletic PG’s since Bibby’s arrival.

STRETCH

January 10th, 2011
3:24 pm

Sund needs to make a move or they are gonna do like they did the last few seasons. Slow and inevitable death.

Ken Strickland

January 10th, 2011
3:46 pm

RAMON-Can’t argue with you assessment on SNash. However, he doesn’t have the skills to overcome our perimeter defensive issues. And can’t you say the same thing about Bibby, when his shot isn’t falling? Jamal can certainly do more than shoot jumpers. Haven’t you seen him penetrate and break down DEF’s, especially recently? When JJ and Jamal are playing together, have you noticed teams don’t double JJ whenever he touches the ball, like they did when Jamal was out?

He forces DEF’s to play straightup, and he certainly makes them think twice about playing zone. SNash is better at generating assists, but Jamal is better at shooting, scoring, and almost everything else. I don’t like the idea of entering the 2nd half of the season becoming totally reliant offensively on a 37yr old PG that plays absolutely NO DEF.

What we need most is a younger PG that plays DEF, penetrates, and brings consistency to our overall OFF production. TJ Ford, who’s in the final yr of his contract, would be a better option for the Hawks than Nash.

Ken Strickland

January 10th, 2011
3:58 pm

I also forgot to mention that MConley, who’s a restricted FA, is also in the final yr of his contract, and would provide an excellent solution to our PG issues.

O'Brien

January 10th, 2011
4:08 pm

Ken S,

If I’m not mistaken, Memphis signed Conley to an extension, so he is no longer available.

If Bibby’s shot is not falling, he is almost useless. If Nash’s shot is not falling, he can still give you 10 assists.

If Jamal’s shot is not falling, he is still going to shoot it 15 times (although he will give you 3 assists), and he will still take a fair amount of bad shots for someone whose shot is not falling.

Ken Strickland

January 10th, 2011
6:23 pm

OBRIEN-If Memphis has resigned Conley, then they made a good move. When all is said and done, I doubt if the Hawks will even make an attempt to acquire SNash. Money is still a big issue with the ASG. If they won’t even enter discussions about resigning a player as productive and versatile as Jamal, I don’t see them getting on the hook to acquire SNash.

I just don’t see how anyone can think anything we try to do, other than replace Bibby as our primary PG, can give us a better chance in the playoffs. In the playoffs, the ability to play DEF, especially perimeter DEF, and the ability to attack DEF’s, is what makes a team successful. With Bibby as our primary PG, we’ve already seen during previous playoffs how much of a negative impact his limitations and liabilities have had.

However, Bibby can be a real asset coming off the bench in critical playoff situations when we need pts.

jason

January 10th, 2011
6:57 pm

we all know that atlanta is 2 cheap to trade for someone who could help win us a title