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Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 108, Kings 102

2:06 am January 5, 2011, by Michael Cunningham

Sacramento–The Hawks were having a great time. They were defending, rebounding, and running while overwhelming an inferior opponent. All the starters except Josh were chilling on the bench as the Hawks took a leisurely 22-point lead.

  • The Hawks were up 92-72 after Jamal’s jumper. Josh went to the bench with the Hawks ahead 94-74. Then things got chaotic and Josh, Bibby, Joe, and Al were back off the bench.
  • “I thought we would do a better job finishing up,” L.D. said. “I wanted to give the starters some rest but we just let our guard down. We stopped defending. We stopped executing. We stopped running. They made some shots.”
  • Damien Wilkins traveled and DeMarcus Cousins scored. Carl Landry stole it from Zaza and Tyreke got an and-1. Cousins got an and-1 against Zaza. And then Cousins took it from Jamal, who seemed to be simply inattentive, and Tyreke scored again.
  • Suddenly the Kings were down 94-82 less than two minutes after being down by 20. The Hawks had to make 10 of 10 free-throw attempts in the final 45 seconds to win a game they dominated.
  • “It was a little frustrating,” Smoove said. “We were up 20 with four minutes to go. We have to go to a tough environment at Utah on a back-to-back in a mile-high road game. We could have used that rest.”
  • Jamal’s finish kind of summed up Atlanta’s night. He was brilliant (again) for most of the game, then had that head-scratching turnover. “They sped the game up and started trapping,” he said. “They junked it up and it gave them some life.”
  • Joe, too, was great for most of the night before making a late gaffe. His turnover led to Tyreke’s layup that cut the lead to 98-93 in the final minute.
  • The Hawks regrouped and managed to avoid what would have been a devastating loss. “Everyone has games like this,” L.D. said. “This is the NBA. These things happen.”
  • Joe made a couple classic iso jumpers to hold off the Kings. “We made them put their starters back in the game and Joe Johnson just kept making play after play, big shots,” Kings coach Paul Westphal said.
  • J.J. did it after sitting from four minutes of the third quarter until joining the rescue squad. “It happens that way sometimes,” he said. “You always have to stay ready.”
  • “He came in with a cold body, we put the ball in his hands and he gave us a lift,” Drew said. “I’m seeing him start to get a rhythm.”
  • J.J. got a lot of his 18 shots within the flow of the offense. He was working hard to get to the basket and was effective with his floater. “Joe is fine,” L.D. said. “I know he’s been criticized for being in a slight slump. But I’m confident once the elbow is 100 percent he will find his stroke.”
  • The quicker pace suited Jamal, who was explosive off the dribble. Once he got in the lane he made sound decisions on when to shoot or pass and also threw his body around to earn nine free-throw attempts. “I definitely feel healthy,” he said. “I’ve got my legs back underneath me and I’m just trying to be aggressive.”
  • The Hawks forced the Kings to take long jumpers early and they were making them. Eventually (and inevitably) they stopped going in, the Hawks rebounded the misses and were off and running. It was a devastating display of open-court basketball.
  • “It was fun,” Smoove said. We were able to get fastbreak points and not always depend on our halfcourt offense. It makes it easier for us.”
  • Smoove was (10 defensive rebounds and energetic defense) was a big reason they could run. Bibby (seven defensive rebounds) got it on it, too, snagging long boards, taking a few dribbles and then throwing it ahead.
  • Running like that seemed to give the Hawks a jolt. “It picks up our energy on defense because we can’t wait to get out and run on offense,” Jamal said.
  • Drew normally doesn’t like to push the pace on the road but he said he decided to unleash the Hawks when he saw the Kings weren’t getting back on D. “We got out on the run early and got some easy baskets,” he said. “It all started with Josh and Al rebounding.”
  • Early on, it seemed like the Kings took every ill-advised Hawks shot or pass and scored. Then the Hawks started moving the ball for good shots: They had 14 assists on their first 18 field goals.
  • “They have some real tough matchups for us with size and experience,” Westphal said. “Their backcourt was terrific. Bibby seemed to hit every open shot when they needed. Crawford and Joe Johnson, we just could never really get them under control at all.”
  • The Hawks ended up with 23 assists on 40 field goals. And their 20 turnovers allowed the Kings to stay in it: Sacto scored eight points off four in the third quarter and 11 off eight in the fourth.
  • Al effectively checked Cousins and Jason Thompson but couldn’t find his offense. He badly missed some open looks from his sweet spots.
  • Once the Hawks decided to run, Twin wasn’t much of a factor. Zaza was effective and physical while making his five fouls in 18 minutes count. DNP-CD for Josh Powell.
  • On to Utah for the Hawks, who won there for the first time in 15 years back in February. “They run their sets and are very fine-tuned,” J.J. said. “We’ve got to do the same and have energy and effort for 48 minutes.”

MC

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el primero

January 5th, 2011
2:16 am

el primero!

jim

January 5th, 2011
2:18 am

i sure hope i am not first

jim

January 5th, 2011
2:22 am

we are going to get destroyed by utah. then LD will commend a winning road trip and we will continue losing to +500 teams. Bibby, Jamal and Maurice for Miller and Camby. WE COULD COMPETE WITH ANYONE!!!!

please free teague

asg still sux

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

January 5th, 2011
3:05 am

NEW MOVIE ABOUT THE ATLANTA HAWKS PLAYER WHO REFUSED TO COME OUT OF HIS SHELL!!!!
Check out the link for the movie poster. Support indie films (in association with ASG of course!)

http://s124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/soullrenaissance/?action=view&current=Marvin_The_Duck_film.jpg

Teague played just 1 minute. Might as well have kept Woody for this lack of player development type.

Big Daddy

January 5th, 2011
4:22 am

I am glad we got the win. It seems the starters were in a great groove. I do wonder if the failure of the people who were put in was because they were put in too soon or whether their lack of previous PT was the reason. In the box score, Teague only played 28 seconds. Evidently LD doesn’t have enough faith in him to warrant more so why not either send him down to the development league or trade him. I personally don’t believe he is A.C. Law 2.0 but, the coach must not see enough of him in practice to give him more time. If we don’t play the bench more, we are going to be in bad shape if someone goes down or several players get in foul trouble. I am glad the team won. GO HAWKS!!

hawkfan

January 5th, 2011
4:53 am

and i thought i was the only one up late, but that lead was never a confident lead; I knew Sacramento could come back on us, it just felt too weird seeing joe, al, and bibby on the bench at the end of the game for that long chilling, smiling, and laughing like the game was over, which it should have been late in the 3rd quarter, I think Jamal is now on a shooting spree to prove his contract extension worth to this team you can see it by his aggressiveness as he knows the season is halfway done and time is ticking, teague is never on the court that much like he was in the beginning of the season still do not understand that move but hopefully he plays tonight, I see utah also blowing us out, hope I’m wrong not likely but it is the nba, GO HAWKS!!!

terrell

January 5th, 2011
6:59 am

If you only get 28 sec vs Sacramento, you have to be sorry as hell. Either that, or he’s messin around with LD’s wife or daughter.

Willie Coyote

January 5th, 2011
7:19 am

…& Teague still can’t get any time…

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
7:36 am

Did not see the game, but glad for the win.

30 minutes for Joe was good, so he should be fresh tonight.

With Bibby being worn down gradually, he still played 33 minutes on the first night of a back to back with DWill coming up. Teague played less than a minute, despite his decent shwoing against the Clippers on Sunday.

Isnt this the type of game to get Teague some PT, especially against Jeter, who played 17 minutes? Come on LD. That was Woodyesque.

Good game by Josh, although he did have 5 turnovers.

I wont be upset if we lose tonight to Utah. But I do expect us to be competitive for the entire game.

dap01

January 5th, 2011
7:57 am

Larry Drew’s word is crap. What kind of development is Teague getting? It’s not like he would be sub for anyone other than one of the most limited PG’s in the league.

dap01

January 5th, 2011
7:59 am

A win is great but to continue as the Hawks are presently constructed is a recipe for a 1st or 2nd round loss. The Hawks must get better and one way to get better is to develop a PG that actually can play defense, penetrate and pick up the tempo. These are things that Bibby can not do.

Defense wins in the playoffs. ISO’s do not.

terrell

January 5th, 2011
8:04 am

Maybe he plans on using Teague a lot tonight. If not, 28 sec is absurd.

dukester

January 5th, 2011
8:04 am

@HAwks fan in New Orleans. The Marvin the duck pic is so funny in so many ways man. But we won a game. Congrats Hawks. I really dont have anything else to say until ASG either sell or shake this team up. They have so much potential and I hate watching a team on the edge.

Tdub

January 5th, 2011
8:35 am

Guys lay off Sund and ASG. They are doing a good job. The deal should be Josh, Marvin and a 1st round pick for Carmelo. Rent him for the remainder of the season and if he likes it here give him the extension, and one more shot blocking center like Camby.

Mike is back

January 5th, 2011
8:39 am

MC, Good Stuff, and you was even a little kind to the guys for gaffe in the fourth quarter…I think any win…is a good win…However I am still adamant in the fact that…I think the Hawks will look the same…until they can give a complete effort for four complete quarters.

If the same thing happen in Utah…well you know the rest.

MC, after watching the precision at which Jamal can operate within the Motion Offense…and his much improved defense…I’m not sure the Hawks can afford to part ways with JC1…what’s your take on the Hawks offense without JC1??

Allofus

January 5th, 2011
8:43 am

Hawks should wait and draft Jimmer Fredette. He will be a sleeper.

drmaryb (*_*)

January 5th, 2011
8:43 am

The NBA is NOT a developmental league.
These coaches have to win games or pack their boxes.

drmaryb (*_*)

January 5th, 2011
8:51 am

Mike is Back!

The Hawks need Jamal more than Jamal needs them. There are a lot of other replaceable players on this roster, besides Jamal. Unless, you’re getting a true PG or C. Most GM’s will not trade a good big for a good small though.

Everybody is trying to win not help other teams beat them, nor beat themselves.

Westurd

January 5th, 2011
9:07 am

I think I saw Teague next to Waldo somewhere on TV last night…I think.

Astro Joe

January 5th, 2011
9:07 am

Like I said yesterday, before discussing Teague as the PG of the future, let’s take the time to watch his development as a consistent rotational player… which right now, he is not. You don’t go from playing around 18 minutes combined in 4 games to being a starter overnight people. His most avid supporter has lost confidence in him, I put this on the player and not the coach.

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
9:20 am

I thing I was wrong about earlier this year: trying to bring in Jason Thompson before Powell arrived…..man, that would have been a disappointment.

DMB-spot on! JC1 is going to be fine once he finishes out the year with us. He is a huge need for us, but Dallas could take him on and flourish. He would fit on that roster should they move try to move JT.

And who leaves the Grizzlies first? OJ or new guy Tony Allen? They aren’t feelin the love for each other. Should you scuffle with a guy who has ‘offically bronchitis’? :) And one of my favs, Flip Murray, might end up with them if he can get a guarantee. I always thought Flip was good for this bench.

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
9:22 am

Couldn’t Teague go to the D-League and get some run time instead of pickin thorns out of his back side? And if that happens, how long does he have to stay in the D-League? Can he be summoned back immediately?

Astro Joe

January 5th, 2011
9:31 am

Kevin, yes, players can be sent to the D-League in their first 2 seasons in the NBA… and they could stay as short as one game or much, much longer. A few years ago, the Hawks had Thomas Gardner and Othella Huter play like 1-2 games in the D-League (a waste of time). Pape Sy is there now.

drmaryb (*_*)

January 5th, 2011
9:37 am

Sore Loser = Swole Mouth!

“O.J. Mayo (G) – Memphis Grizzlies

(Wed, Jan 5 – 12:51am ET)

According to multiple reports from league insiders, O.J. Mayo and Tony Allen brawled on Sunday’s team flight over a card debt that Allen wanted to settle, leaving Mayo with a “swollen face” and possibly led to his absence for “bronchitis” on Tuesday.
It’s unclear if the team reported the incident, as they are required to under NBA rules, and the immediate impact could be a suspension for both as the league looks to distance itself from the Gilbert Arenas situation last year. Otherwise, the fact that Allen still started Tuesday’s game speaks volume about Mayo’s standing with the team and his role in this incident, unless of course Lionel Hollins didn’t know about it — which is unlikely. Chances are Allen wanted to collect his debt while Mayo was still a Grizzly”
________________________________

Mayo was a thief in college and now a thief in his locker room. If, you lose a card game? Isn’t there a Man-Law that says – Put Up or Shut Up?
IDK if Mayo is a true PG or not, but I hope The Hawks don’t entertain bringing that bad character here. If, your character is questionable? Then make sure your game is tight! I wouldn’t mind having a bad-boy on our team, but he better be a baller too. I see Artest and Phil had a blow-up in L.A. This week. Something about finger pointing and calling out Artest for disappearing in games.I guess The Lakers, secretly didn’t like him auctioning his 1st Ever Championship Ring off on the Internet! Them Rings are The King in L.A. – I guess. Also, three players late for Shoot Around and Gasol didn’t even bother to show up. Something about, the IPOD Alarm is malfunctioning worldwide?
I purport, if you make 80M dollars, you can afford a back-up alarm system or have a begging family member give that Wake Up Call to earn their hand outs!
Aye Pau Gasol … Have your Brother Marc – give you a Wake Up Call for free?
Anyway, Kobe was pissed at Pau and the teams laziness after winning that 2nd Consecutive Championship! Are the Lakers Bored of Winning?

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
9:53 am

DMB, with these guys, you can do better than just an alarm clock to wake you, wouldn’t you think? Plenty of gal-pals intown to help?
These issues that are cropping up in LA…..
Won’t impact the LA family..they squabble during the season, get tired of being around each other, then they come together after the all-star break and control their destiny all the way to the Finals….really, is there any Western conference team that concerns them? I don’t see one.

Mayo, he has had a posse adoring his every move since 7th grade. Several colleges wouldn’t go near him which is why he ends up in SoCal.
SoCal pays for their assocation with him in a bad way while he skates away with a mega-million lifestyle. Mayo is one of those guys you won’t want to incorporate into your core. Sund is probably laughing at it….I mean, really, how many SGs should we stockpile?

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
9:54 am

I have always been a fan of Teague and his potential. But I dont think he is ready to start, and I’m not sure if he is ready for major minutes yet.

However, I do think LD needs to find a consistent 12-16 mpg for him. If not, there is a strong possibility that we will struggle in the playoffs with Bibby and Jamal running the point.

And if Teague is not good enough, then they should explore other options, because we need a legit backup PG.

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
9:56 am

Astro, I knew Pape was there, I just don’t keep up with the rules on the D-League and how reactive you can be to bring a guy back you assign there. I bet Rashaad McCants wishes Dallas would do a quick recall….Now you say the 1st 2 years, they can be sent there…are the rules different for a McCants or can the Mavs just bring him in to fill Butler’s roster slot?
And did ‘Toine ever make it to his D-League assignment?

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
9:58 am

it was not a bad pick,

Despite playing alot of minutes at SF last night, Josh had 14 points, 11 rebounds, and 6 assists (although he did have 5 turnovers).

Did anybody even notice that Marvin didn’t play?

And Jamal went 10-17 from the field, for 31 points, and 7 assists. Remind us again how overated/average he is.

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
10:02 am

KevinM,

Despite having 3 SG on the roster (JJ, Jamal, and Mo), the Hawks have not sent Jordan to the D-League (which I disagree with). And its not like the Hawks are blowing people out, which would allow more PT for JC2.

Therefore, I doubt they would even consider sending Teague down.

nes

January 5th, 2011
10:03 am

Same old song and dance with LD, my guess is Teague is in the Drew’s doghouse and that is the reason not playing much lately. Also, what is the deal with playing D. Wilkins so many minutes? Just look at his stats every game and he gets almost no points and very few rebounds. Even if he is playing tough defense he is still a liability in this offensive system. Lets see Pape Sy! LD loved this guy so much and drafted him in second round and he can’t even play as a backup yet! i said this before, could’ve have signed him as a free agent and drafted a big body who could at least contribute! i predict the hawks are one and done if they make the playoffs.

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
10:22 am

I know JC2 has been in street clothes lately, and you would think LD would like to get these guys some time. I would think both guys should take a trip to Idaho or wherever we send our D-Leaguers and keep them in game shape.
Looks like LD is settling into a shorter rotation going forward. The Hawks are 3rd in wins in the East and they better get as many wins as they can now before the brutal stretch the NBA scheduler provided to them. LD must be seeing the tough stretch just ahead.

OB, I thought a 2-2 record on this West trip would be sufficient to most. They almost didn’t get the chance to hold that record.

Regarding anyone missing Marvin: I think they do miss him, but the guys who take those minutes help in small spurts. While they are in small spurts, at least LD did give these guys a chance to play some during the season. I like LD digging into his bench some, but he should or why have these guys on the roster? They need to play and they will make mistakes. They are there to fill bumps in the road and they are doing that for the most part. You can’t count on a Collins or Zaza to play at the same level as Al, but there is enough depth to compensate for a Marvin outage.

And if Smoove never took another long jumper, that would satisfy me very much. He is wasting possessions and the risks don’t outweigh the benefits. You are what you are in this league.

jlewis

January 5th, 2011
10:23 am

LD has nothing against Teague, he is trying to win, maybe he makes to many mental errors or simply is not that good. I’m also tired of everytime JJ makes a shot it’s ISO Joe, and about every basket Jamal scores is off ISO, what ever happened to fair and balanced. If you dont want the guy here, just write an article about it calling for him to be traded, since that seems to be the underlying theme of every write up.

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
10:24 am

An article on Jamal worth reading.

Some excerpts;

Drew, the longtime Hawks assistant who signed a two-year deal worth a combined $2.5 million to become the head coach in early June, made it clear he wants Crawford to return next season.

“No doubt; no doubt I want him back,” he said. “There’s no question about that. I know what his value is to this ball club, and I’m going to do everything in my power to get him back. He’s such a value to us.”
.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2011/01/05/jamal-crawford-is-at-peace-even-if-his-contract-situation-isnt/

drmaryb (*_*)

January 5th, 2011
10:28 am

Prove It!

OBRIEN again, proves his point with Jamal’s Stats and Facts!
Bad Pick will not come anywhere near Obrien for the next couple of days.

Is it just me or does Teague seem sleepy to yall? Does he sleep in meetings? Does he arrive late and leave early for practices? There is something going on there behind the scenes that we nor MC will never be privy to.

So, I trust that Coach knows something that we don’t about this Teague character. There is a reason he is nailed to that bench. We may never know the whole story. Locker Rooms are sacred havens for the players.

Either way, we need a PG! And we need one now! Not a developmental project.
This is the NBA man! This is a grown man’s business! These old dudes got kids and wives to feed, they’re not gonna let a rookie eat their lunch.

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
10:28 am

The other factor in his frustration was the uneven distribution of the Hawks’ payroll, as the six-year, $123 million deal given to shooting guard Joe Johnson in July combined with the five-year, $60 million extension given to forward Al Horford in early November meant there wasn’t much of the Hawks’ financial pie left for Crawford. As such, he said they will be given no special consideration in the recruiting process..

And JJ wants him back too;

“Everybody in our front office knows how much of a key piece he is to this team,” said Johnson, who missed nine games in December after having elbow surgery and is in the midst of one of the worst seasons of his career from an offensive standpoint.

“I can’t really see him going anywhere else. Something’s got to happen. I don’t know what, but I’m sure they’ll make something happen.”.

I just can’t see the Hawks finding the money to pay him what he wants, even with lower CBA salaries.

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
10:29 am

So, after Bibby stunk it up against the clippers (a game in which Teague Played well in) and he performs well against the kings last night while teague gats no PT? You all are so right, Teague doesnt deserve to start or play significant minutes LOL.

I know one thing is for sure, Bibby sure knows how to play when he’s in a contract year or in front of his old sactown fans and the organization who traded him away because they saw the righting on the wall (and the harsh reality that we are currently dealing with). Bibby numbers othewise don’t say much of anything. WE WERE SWINDLED BY THIS LOOSER. He hasnt had a 30pt game since the 08-09 season HIS CONTRACT YEAR. smh WAKE UP! He’s DONE! He will be his old sorry self against the Jazz. I know he was showing off for the fans last night because he was pushin/handling the ball a lot and playing fast LOL. When has he done that this season? He even tried to trow Smoove a few lobs! Havent seen much of that lately either…

AND THE ONLY REASON HE DIDN’T LOOK BAD LAST NIGHT IS BECAUSE THE KINGS STARTED BENO UDRICH AT PG INSTEAD OF TYREKE EVANS!

WHEN I GO TO A CLIPPERS BLOG AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT BIBBY BEING OVERPAID, THATS WHEN YOU KNOW ITS OVER. WE WONT BE ABLE TO GET RID OF HIM OR MARVIN.

Just take the easy way out and make yourselves FEEL better by blaming Jeff Teague…riiight.

Put it this way, If I had to choose between Teague and Bibby to play one on one, I’d choose the old man. I dont want to get stripped and dunked on.

Astro Joe

January 5th, 2011
10:30 am

Kevin, I think there are different rules for free agents signees like McCants. His NBA service was interrupted when he wasn’t in the league last year. I don’t think there is a rule that any player affiliated with an NBA team has to keep the player there for a set number of games. Of course, not every player in the D-League is affiliated with an NBA team. Antoine Walker, as an example, is free to sign with any NBA team. Same for Antonio Daniles (currently injured but also trying to resurrect his NBA career).

OB, if LD doesn’t trust Teague on a Tuesday night game against the worse team in the NBA (when up by 20), we have a LONG way to go to believe that he will get meaningful time in a playoff game in a few months. I agree with your latter point, we need a dependable PG added to this squad behind Bibby.

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
10:31 am

drmaryb,

What might be going on with Teague that we dont have any knowledge about, is maybe he is not playing well in practice (or not doing what LD instructs him to do).

JeJe

January 5th, 2011
10:35 am

How does Powell not get PT?

This guy is a solid offensive player and brings energy to this team. I’m sure he could’ve gotten some burn on Cousins.

It’s baffling Bibby plays 33 min vs this team. LOL

And I think Orlando should offer Redick or QRich for one of these Sacramento bigs…Maybe for J.Thompson and a pick

JeJe

January 5th, 2011
10:39 am

Teague’s jumpshot has actually been solid lately too.

I believe he was 2-3 vs. the Clippers, 2 of the shots being jumpers (one was a 3 I think)

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
10:41 am

Bibby, in after 1 1/2 quarters didn’t play that well. Did he score after half time? He was gassed, and then when the starters came in to save the game, he bricked up a 25 footer almost immediately.

And Teague played for 8 seconds. And 1 of 4 reasons ASG gave for firing Woody is he should have played Teague more. It’s a shame. I’m glad we won though.

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
10:42 am

Modern day Konack….him and Marvin smh…

Teague is very smart actually. His apptitude for passing is very high, especially on the break. He learned Early last season that Woodson didn’t like him shooting jumpers so he has played to his strengths instead. My thinking is that Teague watched a lot of Rondo in the playoffs because he acts just like him on the court now. If the defense is baiting him by leaving him open for a jumpshot, he doesnt take the bait he puts pressure on the defense ond forces them to defend him.

And that hasn’t even been an issue lately because his has been connecting on his jumpers. Just like he did in college. The two teams that come to mind who had Jeff Teague Look a likes starting at PG are doing exellent now. Boston and OKC. Westbrook and Rondo were both explosive RAW PG’s with exellent handle and ability to get to the rack. They both had sub par jumpers as well. BUT IF YOU THROW THEM IN THE FIRE AND LET THEM MARINATE…well you’ve all seen the results. IDIDN’T EVEN MENTION DERRICK ROSE WHO HAD NO JUMPER AS WELL. THESE TEAMS ARE FLOURISHING WITH THESE PLAYERS AT THE HELM!

Teague should start now so he will be ready to come out of the oven during the playoffs. He will be a nightmare for other teams. I really WILL NOT WATCH OUR PLAYOFF GAMES IF BIBBY IS OUR STARTING PG! I DO NOT WANT TO SEE HIM GET TORCHED BY ROSE, RONDO, JAMEER ETC.

Astro Joe

January 5th, 2011
10:43 am

LD was Teague’s “home room” teacher last season and when he became the head coach, he hired a “personal handler” to work with Teague. That suggests that while LD knew first hand that Teague was worth the investment, he also knew first hand that Teague required a little extra help. My guess is that he is young in both age and make-up. And LD is making a comparable decision as his predecessor… the team comes first. Teague needs to catch-up in practice and until he does, he’ll likely be used situationally… just like any other 3rd string player.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
10:45 am

I’m afraid we’re toast with Jamal also. We already have over 64 mil. committed to 9 players next season. I don’t see how we bring him back. And he’s my favorite backcourt player (probably).

It does look like Jamal is over his little pouting over his contract, his adjusting to LD’s offense, and his back problems. The guys been beasting it the last week or so!

Looks like he an JT duking it out for SMOY

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
10:48 am

Booo – I’ve been comparing Teague to Rondo, Rose, and Westbrook for a while. He’s not going to learn in practice. Gotta be thrown in the fire. Start Teague! Start ZaZa!

Astro Joe

January 5th, 2011
10:49 am

Booo!, you do know that both the Celtics and Thunder didn’t make the playoffs when those PGs were “going through the fire”. And Westbrook was a lottery pick and I’m pretty sure that Rondo was the 2nd or 3rd PG chosen in his draft class. Teague was like the 7th or 8th PG chosen. In time, Teague maybe closer to Jordan Farmar… a solid, athletic back-up PG. I think that is a much more realistic, especially on a team that isn’t in rebuilding mode and can’t endure the growing pains of youthful starting PG.

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
10:49 am

RICK SUND NEEDS TO CUT LD’S UMBILICAL CHORD AND GET RID OF BIBBY AND MARVIN! THESE PLAYERS HAVE STOLEN MONEY FROM THIS ORGAINIZATION AND DO NOT DESERVE EVEN HALF OF THE PLAING TIME THEY RECEIVE.

I am aware that Sund is at fault for most of this as well handing them those contracts…the owners too. I do Like Zaza’s contract though.

Ken Strickland

January 5th, 2011
10:52 am

It will be interesting to see how LDrew tries to contain PG DWilliams. We all know MBIbby and Jamal can’t handle him defensively, and it’s risky to expect Jamal to neutralize him with another high scoring output. Otherwise, we matchup well with them and can come away with a win if we play smart and reduce turnovers.

We’re having too many unforced turnovers. Even normaly reliable MBibby is starting to create turnovers with poor entry passes, and Jamal is suddenly having trouble with his handle. Bibby’s unwillingness to force the issue when pressured prevents him from getting in position to create better passing angles.

We’re being hampered offensively because teams have absolutely no respect for his ability to handle the ball under pressure, or beat anyone off the dribble, penetrate and finish. His lack of penetrating ability allows teams to extend their DEF and over play, with little risk of getting burned in the lane.

Man, the Hawks could end up being a team simular to the Heat if we had or developed a quality PG.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
10:55 am

Now Teague is not as go as Rose, Rondo, or Westbrook.I don’t think (except athletically), but I think Jeff Teague is a 15 ppg 7 assist 2 steals 4 rpg type player. He has that type of athleticism and scoring ability. I just hope we don’t destroy him by not developing him.

I think Sund/ASG is going to have to step in and tell LD he’s playing no matter what. LD looks scared, and he’s coaching for his life right now. And this is probably his only opportunity in the NBA HC level if he fails here. And ASG only gave him a 2 year window.

Astro Joe

January 5th, 2011
10:55 am

Guys, just because your an athletic PG, doesn’t mean you’re the next Westbrook, Rose or Rondo. 2 of those guys were high lottery picks (Rose drafted #1) and the other has incredible work ethic. Being fast and jumping high does not entitle you to playing time nor stardom. Javale McGee is about as athletic as any big man out there… anyone think he is the next Hakeem or David Robinson? If you think basketball is all about running fast and jumping high, then you don’t understand the game… and probably have no idea why someone like Steve Nash is as great as he is (since he does neither of those things very well). It’s also insulting to Rose, Westbrook and Rondo to reduce them to fast runners and high jumpers, when they clearly do so much more mentally and emotionally for their respective teams.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
10:55 am

“Go” should be good in previous comment

Rod from College Park

January 5th, 2011
10:57 am

The problem with comparing Teague to Rondo and Wesbrook is that Rondo and Wesbrook had no jumper, but they both attack the rim and could finish in traffic. Teague has only shown that he can finish by himself. He can not finish consistently. He really needs to work on the floater, because that is what will get him over the hump.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
10:59 am

Astro Joe – I’m a former college basketball coach. I know a good player when I see one. Teague is a 15ppg, 7asst, 2 stl,, 4 rpg type player in the NBA in a couple of years. Not right now. And as I said, I don’t think he’s as good as Rose, Wesbrook, or Rondo, even though he has better offensive skills than Rondo. Develop Teague, you’ll be pleased with the results.

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
11:02 am

Astro Joe, Those are some good points, but What about Rose (I know he’s a freak of nature lol) he had vets around him and he was fine in the playoffs. Teague is WAY more explosive than Jordan Farmar will ever be. He also blocks shots,gets steals and dunks. He’s like the PG version of J-smoove with a better shot selection.

Yes it took the Thunder a minute and the Cltics were going to the playoffs regardless because of the big three. But by the time the playoffs rolled around, those PG’s were ready because they had alredy “been through the fire”. Their senses and athletic ability only hightended in the playoffs. We’ve see what Teague can do when he wants to be agressive (the Boston game was a great example). His confidince seems to be back where it was or even higher than it was when we drafted him (no thanks to Woody).

My belief is that Teague is a key factor in us going further than getting swept in the second round in the playoffs or even making it out of the first roud with the way hings are looking in the east at the moment. I’m sure we can all agree that Bibby is not the answer. Just like Marvin, they have had three years to show and tell in the playoffs. They have reached their ceilings.

i_am_soulstar

January 5th, 2011
11:02 am

I think the Hawks sneak away with this one if the starters are all rested for the 4th, seeing as how the Jazz are the best 4th quarter team in the league.

Also, 2 of their bigs are listed as game time decisions (Paul Milsap and Mehmet Okur). If they don’t play, we can win this with inside-out ball and some stout Joe Johnson defense on Deron Williams.

I also imagine Evans or Wilkins will get significant minutes to try and slow that guy down.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:07 am

I_am_soulstar – Don’t ever guess LD’s rotations, except the starters are going to play alot, unless they get 2 fouls in the 2nd half, and that Mo’ will come in before Wilkens and play more. Those are the only constants.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:07 am

2dn half should read 1st half in last post

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:08 am

Booo! Teague, ZaZa, and Marvin are the keys. And Marvin had woken up before his injury.

MC – Any word on Marvin’s back?

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
11:09 am

Astro, My intention was not to insult Rose, Westbrook, or Rondo, by speaking only of their athletic gifts. But you have to admit that their athleticisim and youthful mobility play a key factor in ther defensive prowess on the basketball court. Teams with Point Guards who defend usually get further in the playofs that teams with PG’s who do not.

Ex: Gary Payton, Eric Snow, Rondo, Chauncey Billups (well, not so much anymore) etc.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:10 am

Rod – Teague has a good floater and jumper, he just stops to far out before contact is made. He doesn’t have that killer drive instinct.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:13 am

As I’ve said before, this is what I can’t stand about the Hawks. When we beat a bad team, we win ugly, rarely a blowout. And we are usually satisfied with losing close against a good team. We rarely win when we’re “not supposed to”.

I hope we fool the world and run the Jazz out of the gym tonight!

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
11:17 am

SteveW, If Marvin can come back from the back injury and play well I will be happy. He was not the same player afther he came back from his first back injury. It seemed like it took him a year to get back into a groove. But honestly we should be looking to package him for a better Small Forward if we can. It’s nothing personal because marvin is a good player. But if anyone on this team doesn’t have a killer instict, it’s Marvin. If we could somehow get Philly to part with Igoudala, that would be perfect.

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
11:26 am

SteveW, you’re sound like Teague doesn’t like contact….well, good PGs do need to make contact to get to the line to help their team. And we know Bibby has no drive.

My opinion: we do just as well with Teague as we do with Bibby and we grow our trust in Teague now while we can. Its not gonna happen.

And please, no one ask for Anthony Johnson back here…..haha.

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
11:28 am

Boooo, if we aren’t signing JC1, we aren’t bringing in Iggy. We would have to move JC1 and Marvin and maybe Zaza…all our bench….but those pieces don’t appeal to anyone.

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
11:28 am

JeJe, I agree. Josh Powell needs more PT!

vava74

January 5th, 2011
11:29 am

OB,

I hope that LD is only saying that to keep him motivated.

Last night was good but he was on the floor when the Kings came back and that it Jamal’s benchmark: in too many occasions what he brings is offset by what he gives.

JeJe

January 5th, 2011
11:32 am

Cannot f’ing believe we cut Damien.

The guy cost nothing and played lockdown defense on Durant, LBJ etc. What a disgrace.

ASG would rather have injured Marvin or 6″4 Mo on those guys LOL.

Unbelievable

vava74

January 5th, 2011
11:35 am

SteveW,

I also believe that Teague will be a very competent stat filler sooner rather than later. He has talent and can be very active in many aspects of the game when his confidence is there.

Right now he is too timid and lacks the confidence and that is precisely why his floater has been off mark: he has been playing scared.

That would go away if he had the opportunity to play through his mistakes until he fine tuned his game to the pro level.

In college he had the “IT” factor and was fearless. We saw a glimpse of that against Boston.

The only point where I disagree is with regard to his projected assists average: his passes are usually really well directed and very easy to catch and shoot.

I think he can be a 8 – 8.5 assist guy in the future.

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
11:36 am

KevinM, I havent lookd at Iggy’s contract (I thought is was comparable to Josh’s maybe a couple mill more per season) but since you said that, Idon’t think I want to! ha.

IDK, the ownership disute is settled so I have a sliver of hope that MAYBE, just maybe Gearon Jr. and Levonson might ACTUALLY try to persue a NBA title. If we can get rid of Marvin, Bibby, and Mo in a multi-team trade and get back Iggy, that would be awesome. At that point, you HAVE to re sign JC1 because we are now legitimately in the hunt. Teague starts at PG, JC1 backs him up, JC2 becomes our backup SG, and Wilkins becomes our backup SF.

It probably wont happen though, but it would be nice.

JeJe

January 5th, 2011
11:38 am

I blame Larry Drew mostly, as well as Sund and ASG for this failure of a season.

If it wasn’t for these idiotic inconsistent rotations, a lack of a PG, and the lack of a desire to go into the LT, we’d be a 1 or 2 seed right now.

Instead, we’re fighting with F’ing New York for the 5 seed. Absolutely pathetic

-Where is the PG development? WHO will be the PG in 2 years?
-Who is our lockdown perimeter defender? Oh wait, Damien was, but we just cut his maximum contract since he cost us too much!
-Who is our best scorer? Jamal Crawford, but we’ll lose him to free agency, since he is no where close to as important to this team as Marvin Williams is, in the ASG’s eyes.

If we had Thibodeau or Avery as coach, Smoove would be put in place. There’d be none of these scrub 1-dimensional PGs rotting out there.

SMDH

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
11:39 am

We cut Damien?! well I hope that means there is a trade in the works.

We will probably sign him for the playoffs if he is available. I guess since LD was not using him as much, Sund didn’t see the point in taking on another gaureteed salary.

JeJe

January 5th, 2011
11:39 am

Damien had offensive savvy- he pulled the Reggie Miller fake and lean into move twice vs. the Celtics. He shut down his man on defense. He brought energy.

JeJe

January 5th, 2011
11:42 am

If we are going to shop Jamal in a 2 for 1, then PLEASE sign Flip Murray to be our bench scorer again.

He also costs HARDLY ANYTHING. But ASG wouldn’t pay $5 for a new player since it might put us in the luxury tax

Rufus1

January 5th, 2011
11:43 am

THE Josh Smith “MITH”

The Mith is that he is important to the success of the team…

Josh is the equivalent of a running back that runs for 120yrds and 2 TD, but has 2 crucial fumbles a game.

12.2mil a years

Josh has one of the WORST FG% of any starting PF in the game.(47%)(Al shots 57%) He averages 2.7 turnovers a game and atleast 5 BAD SHOTS. He needs 13 shots to average 16pts….WOW!

In the last 3 games he has had 14 turnovers and atleast 10 BAD SHOTS…He is a “Bulls in CHINA SHOP”

He is as important to the Hawks Losing as he is in the Wins.

Many of you see the hustle and the shot blocks….I see the consistant bad decision making or the inconsistant GOOD Decision making. In 7 years he has not figured-out he isn’t a PG…..7 years people.

The idea that we can’t find a PF for 12mil a year that is a better, smarter player is crazy….We already have one on the roster…AL HORFORD

JeJe

January 5th, 2011
11:48 am

Josh’s FG % may be down because he’s been playing at the 3.

This situation is messed up. If he plays the 3, he will never be in the post. We can’t let him keep taking jumpshots. If we put him at the 4, that means are frontline is small.

UGH

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:50 am

KevinM, Booo, and Vava74 – I almost put 7-8 assists per game on Teague, but lowered it to 7, because I think that’ll be on a consistent basis. And no, he doesnt’ like NBA contact right now, and the only way he’ll get used to it is PT, plain and simple.

I think if we started Teague and played him 25-28 mpg this year, his stat line would be 9 ppg (after awhile) 4 assists, 3 rbs, 1.25 steals and 1 block a game. But he would probably average close to 3 TO’s a game, and couldn’t hit those open 3’s as efficently as Bibby. But I think his D would be better than Bibby’s, so just about a wash. But right now, we’re not developing him, and unless Bibby goes to LD and says “I’m spent”, I don’t know if we will.

But once we lose Mo’ and Jamal (probably) next season (if there is a next season with the lockout looming), JC2 and JT are going to be thrown in the fire, like it or not. And maybe Sy also.

And cutting Wilkens is like trading Pau Gasol; Or trading Jason Terry and using the pick on Acie Law, or drafting Shelden Williams 5th, or drafting Marvin ahead of Chris Paul and DeRon Williams. The stupidity continues…..

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:52 am

Rufus1 – If Josh ever improved his decision making, he’s an All Star, no doubt.

JeJe

January 5th, 2011
11:54 am

Josh Smith will never be an AllStar with all his inconsistencies.

No All Star has such dismal games as he occasionally has

Joe and Horf will be our All-Stars again this year.

We must win tonight. THen we have 5 winnable games. Could be on an 8 game winning streak before you know it

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:55 am

Josh at 3 removes our best post deterrent away from the basket on defense, moves Josh further away from the basket on offense, causing him to take worse shots. It is not a good fit, but besides JJ and Jamal, what is on this club right now? Alot of almosts on this team.

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:57 am

JeJe – We will probably botch at least 1 of those should win games.

MC – Any word on Marvin?

SteveW

January 5th, 2011
11:58 am

JeJe – I hope Horford makes it. He’s been a little off lately. I hope Smoove makes it also. But Bosh has woke up, so he’s probably in behind Stoudamire.

no justice

January 5th, 2011
12:09 pm

Jeff, (Salim, Law)Teague, the new Hawks blog pet.

ATL RAISED INDY LIVING

January 5th, 2011
12:25 pm

NEWS FLASH: HAWKS JUST WAIVE DAMIEN WILKINS, TWIN’S BROTHER JUST GOT WAIVED FROM THE CLIPPERS…I THINK THE HAWKS ARE PREPARING TO GET THE OTHER COLLINS OFF OF WAIVERS FROM THE CLIPPERS…NOW THE HAWKS WILL HAVE A SIAMESE TWIN CENTER IN JASON AND JARRON COLLINS….GO SIAMESE TWINS !!! LOL

ATL RAISED INDY LIVING

January 5th, 2011
12:30 pm

SOLUTION FOR HAWKS…TRADE JOSH SMITH TO MINNESOTA FOR KEVIN LOVE…STRAIGHT UP…OUTSIDE OF EXCITEMENT…KEVIN LOVE CAN PRETTY MUCH DO EVERYTHING THAT JOSH SMITH DOES + KEVIN LOVE GIVES MORE EFFORT AND IS A CONSISTENT REBOUNDING MACHINE + KEVIN LOVE IS CHEAPER FOR THE HAWKS

Boooo!

January 5th, 2011
12:34 pm

Interesting:

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2011/1/3/1912068/hold-on-jeff-teague-fans

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
12:43 pm

I’m not surprised Damien was cut.

LD has already hinted at going to the big lineup all the time, meaning Josh starts at SF, and Marvin backs him up. This would mean reduced PT for Damien (and possibly Mo, but Mo’s contract is guaranteed).

I just hope Marvin comes back healthy, and picks up where he left off.

Also, Hawks want to have an open roster spot for flexibility.

I think the Hawks can waive Etan too. He hardly ever sees the floor anyways.

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
12:48 pm

SteveW,

Bibby has his limitations, but he has played well enough to continue being the starter. JT has not played well enough to deserve the starting spot (and I’m a fan of JT).

He has to show more confidence in his game, because if he doesnt have the confidence, can we expect LD and the other players to have confidence in him?

I think he deserves consistent PT, but not a starting spot, and not 25 mpg (unless he is balling).

J from the A

January 5th, 2011
12:57 pm

Josh’s decision making is that bad?! Give me a break!

Yes, he usually takes a couple bad shots a game, but how often does he make the right decision with his distribution skills? He is NUMBER 3 in the league in assists among power forwards. And so many times, his distribution leads to the “hockey assist,” which mind you is not reflected in any stat sheet.

Also, among power forwards, he is number 5 in the league in 3-point shooting — just a few percentage points behind Dirk Nowitzki. He has more than earned the right to shoot a few long-range shots a game.

[And back to the bad shot complaint: How many of these shots are truly bad shots versus how many of these shots would have been bad shots for Josh LAST YEAR? I think many of us still have the tendency to want to critique Josh's shot selection based on last year's ability. This is of course not say that I don't think his shot selection should not be improved. I just don't think it is as bad as you are trying to make it out to be.]

Mike is back

January 5th, 2011
1:05 pm

Astro Joe, I agree that Teague shouldn’t be given anything…however I’m one of his avid supporters…and I have not lost any confidence in him…nor do I expect dude to be an instant success…my thing is maximize the use of the personnel that you have.

If LD can see the need to play Twin against Bigs with size and length…to spare Al all the needless physical play…Surely, LD can see the need to use Teague against these crafty PGs with speed and quickness…to spare Bibby from the needless physical wear and tear on his body.

It’s more than about Teague…it’s also about keeping Bibby performing at optimum level going into the playoff…Bibby is having a phenomenal season thus far…however, it’s a long season…Dude is going to eventually wear down…would you agree??

What happen than…just saying.

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
1:11 pm

Teague= No jump Shot, simple

Marvin Williams= Candice Parker on a bad day….
Come back Mookie Blaylock! The Hawks have sucked for 10 years now at the pg!! Come back..Can your son play?? Sign him up Sund………………

Sund=Billy Knight (worst GM in Hawks history!) enough said…..

drmaryb (*_*)

January 5th, 2011
1:11 pm

KevinM

MC wrote an article around the time when Joe returned, that he would be shortening the bench in rotations and play the starters for longer periods. Bottom line is: Coaches job is to win games.

Jlewis

Enthusiastic Co-Sign re: Teague. Coach told him and us the PG job is up for grabs!apparently, Teague hasn’t grabbed it. That’s on Teague!

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
1:13 pm

Larry Drew could shoot the rock back when he played pgf for the Kings and averaged 14.7/6.6 assist for 6 seasons 81-86..He’s biased this kid does not play like he did..Just my 2 cents….

cp

January 5th, 2011
1:17 pm

I was very critical of Teague early in the season because he wasn’t making the most of his opportunities. Lately he had been playing a lot better. When Jamal was out he started to look a lot better on the court. Now he cant get consistent minutes again. LD said Bibby looks tired already yet he still plays him big minutes. I dont know if Teague is the future pg of this team or not but its hard to tell if he is if he is not allowed to just play through his mistakes. That is the only way they will know what they have in him. Bibby has only one more year on his deal and at the rate this is going we wont know what Teague can do and Bibby will be done. Are we going to draft another pg of the future? Do we even trust this front office in drafting a pg? I dont see a team trading a young up and coming pg so what are we going to do when Bibby is done? LD seems to be coaching for wins as Woodson did. We saw how well that worked out. I hope a move is coming soon if not I dont know if this team will even make it out of the first round.

Rod from College Park

January 5th, 2011
1:18 pm

Rufus1,

“Josh has one of the WORST FG% of any starting PF in the game.(47%)(Al shots 57%) He averages 2.7 turnovers a game and atleast 5 BAD SHOTS. He needs 13 shots to average 16pts….WOW!”

“He is as important to the Hawks Losing as he is in the Wins.”

“Many of you see the hustle and the shot blocks….I see the consistant bad decision making or the inconsistant GOOD Decision making. In 7 years he has not figured-out he isn’t a PG…..7 years people.”

Last 3 years Josh shot 50%, 50%, and this year 47% from the field while playing a lot at the 3. Bosh last 3 years 48%, 51%, and this year 51% from the field. Zach Randolph last three years 43%, 48% and 49% from the field. In Kevin Garnett’s 6th and 7th season in the league, he shot 47% from the field while playing exclusively in the post. I’m pretty sure that all of the guys listed make more money or the same as Josh, and none are considered one of the best defenders in the league except Garnett. All are better rebounders, but none have the versatility that Josh has.

I don’t seem to remember many games that Josh was solely responsible for us losing a game. I remember many more that he was reponsible for us winning because of his defense. What is a bad shot? Is it a bad shot if you don’t make it? So if he takes a jump shot and misses it, but shoots the same percentage from the floor as our starting 3 Marvin Williams who is supposed to be a jump shooter, or a better percentage than our max player Joe Johnson, is it a bad shot?

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
1:20 pm

Dwill our #2 should have been lottery pick is going to light it up tonight!! He’s going for 24 and 12 assist!! Hawks will probably lose by 10-15 pt. They stink it ups on the road against the “good” coached teams with above .500 (2-6) records..This game will be a reminder of whats to come for this pretender come playoff time..Chicago are lickin their chops to greet and dismantle your Atlanta Hawks….

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
1:22 pm

Josh= train wreck waiting to happen come playoff time…

Sautee

January 5th, 2011
1:25 pm

Rufus1,

about this: “Josh has one of the WORST FG% of any starting PF in the game.(47%)”

Check the stats before you speak, Rufus. He’s about in the middle of the pack percentage-wise.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/FieldGS.jsp?league=00&season=22010&conf=OVERALL&position=2&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=

There’s a lot of things you can criticize Josh about, but his overall field goal % is NOT one of them. The more you keep it real, the more folks will value your posts.

Or you could go the other way……..

Duello

January 5th, 2011
1:26 pm

What is better for the Hawks? Constantly only thinking about winning the next game without thinking about the big picture or actually thinking about the future of the team, both this year and the years following, and planning accordingly?

I tend to espouse the longer view. This is especially true since the likelihood of the Hawks winning their division is slim to none. At the same time, the likelihood of missing the playoffs in the top heavy East is also slim to none. So why not give Teague a consistent 15 minutes off the bench to run the offense and play D against some of the quicker guards in the league? This will help him develop into at least a solid backup with the additional benefit of not wearing down Bibby and Jamal.

Right now, we consistently throw out three guards in their 30s for over 30 minutes a game. If you don’t let Teague get the experience now, he’s going to be useless come playoff time and Bibby is going to have to play even more. While we can get through one series that way, there is no way we can make it through two or more with that arrangement.

And that’s not even considering next year when Jamal’s contract expires and Joe and Bibby are just another year older.

drmaryb (*_*)

January 5th, 2011
1:28 pm

J from the A said this:

“And back to the bad shot complaint: How many of these shots are truly bad shots versus how many of these shots would have been bad shots for Josh LAST YEAR”
______________________________

When Josh is playing Point Forward, he is looking to pass the ball. When, he is spotted up to receive a pass, he takes that and usually late in the shot clock.
That’s not on Josh, that’s Joe and Bibby telling him to take that wide open shot.
Josh has earned the right to take those, sometimes though I wish he would drive that ball if there is time on the clock to get a good look And – 1.

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
1:39 pm

IT WAS A BAD PICK,

Watch your boy DWILL remind us that they picked Duck over this Future HOF!! Thanks for the present and future memories BILLY Knight….So called self proclaimed “basketball expert”… Not…

Fundamentals

January 5th, 2011
1:50 pm

JeJe – If LD wouldn’t use Damien, what’s the purpose of having him? Same for Etan? Why not add players we can acutally use…even though I will admit to advocating for Sy?

Jamal definitley seems to be back to business marketing himself well. His new energy on D is refreshing and hopefully giving hope that ASG might give him the $$. I’m sure there will be a luxury tax of sorts next season. All this crap of we can’t possibly pay him is BS. We can pay whomever we want. Just depends on where ownership sets their budget. After promising us to push hard for a championship, they better up the budget.

Ken Strickland

January 5th, 2011
2:06 pm

Many insist on claiming Teagues problems, and the reason he’s not getting a chance to unseat Bibby, are due to his perceived lack of aggressiveness and confidence. Well, Jordan Crawford has Michael Jordan type confidence and aggressiveness, yet it hasn’t helped him get time on the bench, let alone in a gm? So aggressiveness, confidence and talent alone aren’t the key.

Other than getting injured early in preseaons, what has Teague done to make LDrew go from giving Teague every opportunity to replace Bibby, to giving him the WOODY TREATMENT. It’s not like he didn’t have an outstanding training camp or preseason before his injury.

Look at how tentative veteran All Star JJ and 6th MOY Jamal were upon returning from their injuries, and how long it took them to show signs of returning to form. Yet, Teague is being held back, and/or punished, for having the same issues upon returning from his injuries?

While Bibby has shown tremendous confidence in his limited OFF abilities, no unbiased observer can honestly say he’s been aggressive with the ball, or running the OFF.

When it comes to Teague, a young, very talented, but inexperienced PG, he’s being held back because of his perceived lack of aggressiveness and confidence. One the other hand, Jordan Crawford, another young, very talented, but inexperienced SG, is virtually being ignored due to his perceived over confidence and aggressiveness.

The Hawks WILL NOT show any on court improvement, or become a serius playoff contender, until LDrew and his staff get their collective heads completely out of Woodson’s butt, and get serious about seeking viable solutions to the PG problems that are holding us back.

Fundamentals

January 5th, 2011
2:12 pm

Ken – Thanks again, Master of the Obvious. There have been alot of comments both ways all revolving around the same issue. Sometime before the deadline ASG must decide what to do with the PG and C situation…or bow out early in the playoffs.

Did you get the refreshing Championship Promise/ Thank You Fans email yesterday. Made me feel sooo good. Like a Christmas present that turned into an empty box once you tore it open. EMPTY!

hbcuclassics

January 5th, 2011
2:29 pm

For once, will Hawks not accept mediocrity and win back to back games? The Hawks use wins like this against pansies as an excuse to take the night off against playoff caliber teams. They are satisfied with going 2-1 on the road against the Clippers and Kings vs. defeating the Jazz and making a statement.

Fundamentals

January 5th, 2011
2:32 pm

Amen hbcuclassics – we need a strong performance tonight. It’ll be interesting to see how they handle DWill.

Ken Strickland

January 5th, 2011
2:44 pm

FUNDAMENTALS-I believe the Hawks can improve without going into luxury tax territory. This will sound crazy to some, but overall it will give us a far more balanced offensive and defensive team. So here goes:

1-See if Denver will accept a trade of JSmith and Zaza for Nene and their 1st rd pick.
2-See if the Hornets will accept a trade of JJ for CP3.

That would leave us with a starting lineup of:

SG-JoCrawford
PG-CPaul
PF-AHorford
SF-MWilliams
C-Nene

BENCH:
PG-JTeague, Pape Sy(JaCrawford)
SG-JaCrawford, (Pape Sy)(DWilkins)
SF-DWilkins
PF-JPowell
C-JCollins, EThomas or FA

We can resign JaCrawford by combining his and MEvans’ expiring contracts($10.8M + $2.5M=13.3M), plus we’re still currently under the salary cap. CPaul and Nene will more than make up for what we lose in Smoove and JJ. And I guarantee you that MWilliams, JoCrawford and Nene will thrive with a PG like CP.

L-QUE

January 5th, 2011
2:49 pm

IN my opinon Josh is a allstar now for the most part he shuts them down,when Al can play that kind of D and rotate on D, Josh wont have to help so much on Al,s man Joe play great D. Teague couldnt demand playing time on most teams in the NBA . better point guards were cut yesterday. LD must win and he knows this.Teague is the author of his own book.Blame Teague! All great players are iso. ask MC to check and see then he would stop all this ISO bull, because great scorers have to create their own shot,thats why they are called the GO TO GUY. GREAT WIN HAWKS , LD lets see Joe play some point .Just like i cried to play Twin the seven , it works with the rest the space takers. Use what you have because i wish i had hit the MEGA MILLION too.

Fundamentals

January 5th, 2011
3:17 pm

Teague would definitely fit on a roster where the team is developing. He’s basically our Royal Ivey or AC Law of today. Now that winning is at a premium, we’re behind the 8 ball trying to squeeze talent that just isn’t quite there. Will he ever be? We hope, but we also did for AC, Royal, Salim, Roy, Rashon, ect. When will the list end?

Fundamentals

January 5th, 2011
3:20 pm

If Joe needs to dominate the ball so much why can’t he play PG with Jamal at SG? Joe/Jamal/Smoove/Al/Twin That’d leave Teague or Bibby/Mo/Marvin/Powell/ZaZa on the bench? Joe could use his size to dominate smaller PG’s. It’s what we run anyway. It was not a bad pick would contend that Marvin would revolutionize the 2nd unit with his amazing talent. That’s not to bash Marvin, but more to say he could pick up Jamal’s scoring vs 2nd unit players easily and be a force there.

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
3:54 pm

Tell me what Teague can’t do that Ty Lawson is doing? I don’t buy LD’s decision to sit him….you’ve got a veteran, core, 3-5 years of the same guys playing together…and you’re telling me you can’t develop Teague along with this veteran group? I’m not buying it…this by far is LD’s worse decision of the season and Teague should be a regular in the rotation. Has Bibby ever been benched for his bad decisions on the court? I have yet to see him be made accountable.

Let’s look at Ty Lawson…getting 25.5 mpg
.489 fg%
.356 3fg% – nothing to brag about
.707 ft% – every player should get this
2.30 rebounds
4.1 assists – he gets 4 easily in 25min
.73 steals
1.64 turnovers/game
11.3 ppg

I can’t believe there is that much of a talent difference between these 2. I can see Teague getting similar numbers if he got 25mpg..but he isn’t even getting that opportunity to even lead the 2nd team. I think this hurts the playoff potential of the Hawks, who only have JC1 to look forward to to provide a punch off the bench. Give JJ some time at the 3, and let Smoove and Al man the inside and throw the ball up at that point.

LD has now sacked any thought of seeing JC2, Powell (who I like and comapre to favorably to JJ Hickson) can change his name to DNP-CD ..why the crap did you bring him in from a championship environment? He deserves better than that…and now we see Teague questioning himself since Van Exel is not around to mediate between LD and himself.

I understand the bench was a challenge in the 4th last night, and I didn’t like the comment by Smoove either(this shouldn’t have happened)…..dude, prop up your teammates, don’t drag them through the mud…sounds selfish to me like Marvin’s “I should start” comments.

Well, Damien is gone, and again no threat to Marvin’s minutes…but there are guys who aren’t held accountable for their defense. It tells you defense is not the priority going forward.

O'Brien

January 5th, 2011
4:02 pm

Ken S,

The reason why Jordan wont see any PT is because he is playing behind an all-star SG (JJ) and the reigning SMOY (Jamal). He is not better than any of those guys.

And although Jordan plays well in spurts, and he is confident and aggressive, the fact is his shot selection needs work (he never met a shot he didnt like).

Teague, on the other hand is the backup PG (Jordan is the 3rd/4th string SG), so it is more realistic for Teague to get PT.

I do think LD is making a mistake though, and I wont be surprised when one of the owners come out and say he didnt do a good job (fair or not) developing Teague.

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
4:04 pm

Hawks gave up 36 pts in a little over 7 minutes left in the game last night to the worst team in the NBA..Sund pull the trigger and jettison the core along with your bench. Make it happen before your team is embarrassed for the 3rd time come this playoff.. Your team plays “BAD BASKETBALL”!!! Quote from Kenny Smith on NBA TV. People don’t like to watch garbage. Your losing viewers and attendance for a reason. Your selling junk and people aren’t interested in your junk……………………..

KevinM

January 5th, 2011
4:06 pm

What does anyone think about our chances against the Jazz tonight?

Can we match up with Kirilenko, who does so many versatile things?

Can we contain a legit big man in Jefferson? High price tag, but he would have looked nice in our rotation.

Other than PG, don’t we match up well at the other slots?

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
4:09 pm

“What does anyone think about our chances against the Jazz tonight?”

Dwill and his JAZZ will blow out the Hawks tonight. DWILL will go for at least 24 and 12 assist!! Hawks passed up this future HOF for the legendary DUCK Williams! Thank you Billy Knight…

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
4:10 pm

Hawks suck on the road against the elites. What else is new??

newkid

January 5th, 2011
4:10 pm

Rufus, you’re correct about Smoove, he’s a Mensa-Moron (Mensa physical skills and moronic basketball IQ), and the MVP of this year’s all Mensa-Moron NBA team. Too often much too much time is spent crawling out of holes created by his all too frequent mental collapses, but to his credit he can be phenomenally dominating – on both ends of the floor – in stretches. He’s the epitomy of being consistently inconsistent, and too often a head case to boot. These sort of cats drive coaches nuts, but what can be done?

Hawks have too many important players who require constant cajoling and motivating (e.g., Smoove, Marvin, JQuick), and too few players who are low maintenance and self-motivated (e.g., Horford, JTwin, JCross).

slimjr

January 5th, 2011
4:11 pm

josh= train wreck this coming playoffs…

superiorblogman

January 5th, 2011
5:11 pm

Looks like Jamal is threatening to leave the Hawks this summer. He is playing really well but the Hawks should have long traded him to make the team better for the future. Jamal is easier to replace than it is to find a upgrade at starting PG or a legit starting C.

The Hawks should use Jamal to target Jonny Flynn, Aaron Brooks, Devin Harris, Rodney Stuckey, Robin Lopez, Gortat, Marc Gasol, or Javal McGee.

Luv Josh Smith

January 5th, 2011
5:42 pm

I am so tired of these trade suggestions moving Smoove for this, or for that, or for other PF’s, etc. Time to recognize that Josh is the MVP of this team. No one fills up the stat sheet like him and on defense he is a game changer. He is locked up at a good price and delivers strong value. He is filling the SF spot admirably, better than Marvin. ASG won’t make a trade if it won’t improve the team. Trading JJ or Josh does not improve the team. No one worthy of trading them is available.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

January 5th, 2011
8:04 pm

Dukester,
In regards to the “Marvin The Duck” movie poster. I had a little time on my hands and the “Marvin dilema” has provided great inspiration. I also agree with your 1st post that i have really nothing to say until moves to improve this roster are made…waiving Wilkins sucks big time.

brigadierjerry

January 5th, 2011
8:07 pm

slimjr

What makes you think the hawks would be playing the bulls?If the playoffs ended today the hawks would be playing orlando and the knicks would be playing the bulls