Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 95, Bucks 80

Twin put his big body on Bogut. (Benny Sieu / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)

Twin put his big body on Bogut. (Benny Sieu / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)

Milwaukee–After scoring easily in the first half for the second straight night, the Hawks found themselves in a asasa game against an opponent that tends to thrive on it. On top of that the Bucks were rested while the Hawks were coming off that draining L at New Orleans last night.

  • So it’s significant that the Hawks were able to win ugly at Milwaukee with a methodical, professional effort. “Coming in here off the back-to-back, we knew this game would be a physical game,” L.D. said. “I thought our guys responded really well tonight.”
  • The Hawks scored 33 points after halftime against the Hornets and lost. They scored 38 in the second half against the Bucks and won.
  • No doubt there’s a difference in offensive talent between the Hornets and Bucks, who are the league’s least efficient offensive team. And that’s mostly with Brandon Jennings.
  • But Milwaukee just carved up and shut down the Lakers last week at the Staples Center. They could do neither to the Hawks, who made amends for that beatdown last month.
  • “The last time we played this team they pretty much embarrassed us,” Joe said. “To come out and play the way we did tonight means a lot. We’ve got to try to build on this. We’ve got to try to string five or six wins together.”
  • The Hawks were humming on offense in the first half: 22 of 40 field goals, 15 assists, six turnovers. All 10 guys who played scored and eight of them recorded at least one assist. “It’s nice to watch, I will tell you that,” Al said. “We are sharing the ball, different guys are getting involved. It seems like that is when we are at our best.”
  • Then Iso-Joe returned in the third quarter. Fortunately for the Hawks he made a couple tough shots and Al got enough pick-and-pops that Milwaukee never could make a sustained run.
  • Al continues to get it done despite his sore right hand. It was really swollen after the game and Horford said he plans to get an MRI tomorrow after X-rays were negative. “I know I look fine out there but it’s tough,” he said. “When I stop playing it feels OK but as soon as I get back out there it’s hurting.”
  • I’m thinking the hand might explain Al’s seeming reluctance to go to the hole. Then again, if opponents inexplicably continue to give him room for jumpers then maybe there’s no need. “We set a pick-and-roll, everyone sunk in and almost gave me those wide open jump shots,” he said. “I had to take them.”
  • Marvin was back on the bench with Twin starting at center. To Marvin’s credit, he remained aggressive and productive. He’s been consistent lately.
  • Collins had 12 rebounds in 32 minutes. He frustrated Bogut. He freed Al to work over Ilyasova. He got in the way when the Bucks went to the hole and even drew a couple charges to kill their momentum. Only one of his four shots was a bad one.
  • “I told him after the game, I want to see what our record is when he starts,” Josh said. “It has to be well over .500.” Actually it’s 5-5 but you know what he’s saying.
  • “Jason has been doing a great job all year guarding bigger players,” Al said. “He’s been huge for us. It takes away from us having to help so much.”
  • Smoove started the game attacking the rim. Eventually he began to wander back out to the perimeter but he was 6 of 12 so take the good with the bad.
  • Efficient offensive game for Jamal in his second game back. He scored 14 points on eight shots and had two assists without a turnover. “I felt a lot more comfortable,” he said. “Yesterday I was just trying to feel my way.”
  • His value is most apparent in games like this. Jamal, Horford and Marvin were the only Hawks to score in the fourth quarter.
  • Bibby struggled for the second straight game. Teague replaced him late in the third quarter and Bibby didn’t return. L.D. mentioned Bibby was one of the guys who needed the holiday break so maybe he’s worn down.
  • Teague played 18 minutes and made them count. It seemed like he followed every mistake with a positive play, such as when he chased down Brockman after a turnover and basically leaped over the 6-7 forward to block his layup attempt on the break.
  • It remains to be seen if efforts like this will ever mean a regular role for Teague. “We knew with the matchup he was going to be able to match speed for speed,” Drew said. “I thought Jeff did a great job.”
  • “Lester [Conner] tells me every day, just come in and try to make an impact on the game,” Teague said. “Do what I do and try to push the ball and try to be active on defense. That’s all they ask from me.”
  • Even with Collins holding down the middle, it’s not like the Hawks shut down Milwaukee on the perimeter. Boykins, Dooling, and Salmons still were effective. But the Bucks got nothing from their forwards while Al, Josh and Marvin all were efficient.
  • Zaza had a very good five-minute stint in the first half but then stayed on the bench after halftime. Mo had a very good seven-minute stint in the first half and got the same treatment.
  • DNP-CD for Josh Powell and Damien Wilkins. L.D.’s rotation has yet to settle.
  • The Bucks tried to rally in the third quarter but the Hawks always made a play when they needed it. For us, it was just a matter of maintaining our composure,” Twin said. “Once we answered them I think we took the wind out of their sails.”
  • It was a weird fourth quarter for the Hawks. They shot 50 percent and held a 15-6 rebounding advantage but only outscored Milwaukee by five points. Atlanta had seven turnovers but Milwaukee only turned those into four points. The Bucks took 11 of their 20 shots in the paint but made only four.
  • The Hawks scored just 38 points after halftime. This did not appease Bucks coach Scott Skiles: “They threw the ball wherever they wanted to throw it, did whatever they wanted to do all night really. Just methodically went through their stuff and their options and handled us pretty easily. It was worse than the score even appeared.”

Michael Cunningham

109 comments Add your comment

Hawk n the Ham

December 28th, 2010
12:47 am

I missed the game due to the Falcons nail biter. Thanks MC!

Rev in Tampa

December 28th, 2010
12:54 am

MC,

Inqiring minds want to know: Why did Teague not play at all against CP3 in New Orleans? It seemed like the situation perfectly suited to Teague’s quickness. He got a DNP even though Bibby could not stay in front of Chris Paul and Jamal was stinking it up on the court.

JeJe

December 28th, 2010
12:55 am

Ken Strickland: “This is just speculation on my part, but maybe MEvans is playing more than DWilkins because Sund want’s to show teams he’s healthy, and is being showcased as trade bait.

lt’s also amusing to read some of the biased comments about Marvin being more productive coming off the bench of late, when he’s actually been more productive as a starter over the last 6gms.”

If you start Collins, our starting 5 is better rounded, and you have MORE SCORING OFF THE BENCH. That’s the main point

JeJe

December 28th, 2010
12:57 am

Package Bibby for MONTA ELLIS

sam'l

December 28th, 2010
1:24 am

Time for the Hawks to put it all together now…….I think I noticed some pretty stiff competition coming up soon…….

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Najeh Davenpoop

December 28th, 2010
1:29 am

Props to Collins. I would have never guessed 7 or 8 months ago that he could actually be useful. He’s been great whenever he’s been in the game over the last month or so.

Hawks (beat) Bucks

December 28th, 2010
2:07 am

Hawks played better on back-to-back than the Hornets did. Hawks won on the road and Hornets lost in Minnesota by 15.

Next up: Home against Golden State and then back on the road to Oklahoma City and then @ Clippers / @ Kings to open up January. Thunder will be tough but that’s still 3 outta 4 very winnable games that might put them on a good winning streak

Reggie

December 28th, 2010
2:17 am

@Najeh im glad u finally see twins importance to the team…before the season i said something about him being an importanat piece and you wanted to punch me through your computer screen.

L-QUE

December 28th, 2010
2:25 am

Marvin been reading about the trade talk,but he can play the 2, 3,4,5,he has already done this ,he played Okafur last game , he has great value, i got to stick with Josh ,they will be great players when they mature to the NBA game.poor Bibby GREAT WIN HAWKS

Najeh Davenpoop

December 28th, 2010
2:38 am

“@Najeh im glad u finally see twins importance to the team…before the season i said something about him being an importanat piece and you wanted to punch me through your computer screen.”

LMAO… don’t think I went that far, but I’m glad to be wrong on this one.

Grandad

December 28th, 2010
3:06 am

We only run when Al or Josh lead the break,
Teaguer notwithstanding, his coast to coast
ending the [1st qtr?] shows how his speed can
affect the game.

Joe stops the flow and the sharing [offense].
Watch him – when he catches it takes him forever
to make a decision, then he starts pounding the ball.
It’s impossible that on occasion someone is not open
immediately upon him catching. @ least now and again.
He never catches and makes a touch pass or a direct feed.

Trade Marv -now- while he is looking pretty good before
Sund and ASG fall in love with him all over again.

The team has won *20, count ‘em *20 games now!

Our problem on this board is:
were ready for the Hawks to make the jump,
as the Falcons did and become legit contenders.

Which is why so many of us wish for a trade to show
the fans (and the players alike) that the ASG
is committed to not only a winning culture, but an
organization whose purpose is winning a championship.

Grandad

December 28th, 2010
3:11 am

Didn’t mean to sound so critical.
We need another win streak.
Plus we need to beat a couple of good teams.
Lastly, we need to continue improving. (every game)

Mido

December 28th, 2010
6:47 am

i wonder if philly will trade Young for evans plus a draft pick? so we can finally get rid of marvin’s contract while his stocks is still good and use him as a trade bait to get us a serviceable C or PG.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23×3g6p

E43

December 28th, 2010
6:54 am

The hawks need to find a way to put players on the court consistently, and they need to do so sooner rather than later. They may not have the bench power to do so but running a motion offense limits your choices. Right now it may be cool to have guys playing 40+minutes but it will hurt you in the long run. Kind of like the same way it has the past two years with the hawks getting bounced in the second round.

Mike is back

December 28th, 2010
8:34 am

MC, thanks for the detailed insight on the game…I missed the game watching them BIRDS.

Josh is on to something when he was speaking of Twin…give him credit…Twin has work himself back into NBA shape…no reason why we can’t keep him in the starting lineup…than Marvin gives you a extra punch coming off the bench…regardless of what his salary is…Marvin coming off the bench…give the Hawks a new dimension… it’s something I wish you could ask LD about.

Great observation on Bibby…clearly he is starting labor some…Dude has been huge for the Hawks…Ultimately, I think we are going to have to live with some of Teague turnovers…to get him ready for the playoff…he has made great strides…I hope LD is serious about giving Bibby a break…that would be a wise decision.

KEEP GOING…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ramon

December 28th, 2010
8:39 am

Grandad, you have a good point. I’ve been saying that for 2-3 seasons now, that Josh and Al don’t give the ball up on fast breaks, because if they did, that would end the fast break opportunity. True enough it may occasionally cause turnovers, but more good things happen than bad things when they’re leading the break. Bibby can’t run like he used to, and Joe just refuses to. So isn’t that the VETERAN backcourt ONCE AGAIN (did it to Woody) undermining what the coach is telling them to do. LD keeps saying he wants them to play faster. But who has the ball more than Bibby and Joe? Nobody. So why don’t LD make an example out of his veteran back court. He tries to make an example out of Josh and Al for shot selection and foul trouble/defense. Why are they and Teague the only ones being held accountable?

J from the A

December 28th, 2010
8:42 am

The Hawks fans could really learn something from the Buck fans.

After all, the Bucks do not have any superstars and they are not a championship caliber team, yet their fans come and fill the arena … and even more telling of the quality of their fans, they continue to cheer — and cheer loud — even when their team is down 15/17 point.

J from the A

December 28th, 2010
8:46 am

Again with the Joe refuses to share the ball BS … he is the team’s ASSIST LEADER.

Ramon

December 28th, 2010
8:59 am

J from the A, for years, Allen Iverson was the assist leader in Philly, Kobe has always been the assist leader in LA, even before Shaq left. Michael lead the Bulls in assists in his younger days. When many of us say Joe refuses to share the ball, it means majority of the time Joe gets the ball he uses up a minimum of 5-7 seconds BEFORE he makes a move or passes it. By now the players are just standing and watching, so he’s not putting anyone in a best position to score or attack. Joe has so many assists because we have so many great jump shooters on the team, not because Joe made the play for them.

Daniel

December 28th, 2010
9:01 am

It’s easy to be the assist leader when you have the ball 75% of the time you’re on the floor.

So if Bibby needed a holiday break, why in the world was he playing over 40 minutes against the Hornets? Does MC not ask these questions for fear of Drew getting pissed at him? I saw that comment and didn’t know whether to get angry or laugh.

It was not a bad pick

December 28th, 2010
9:12 am

good game by the Hawks..The only problem I have is, Drew is scared of josh smith..No way I start josh over Marvin at the sf..I dont think Josh would accept that role….If Marvin gets 15 to 20 shot attempts a game, He will average well over 22 points a game..I like Marvin offensive game more than i like Joe’s..Marvin is more efficent…Its time to start Collins,Al,Marv on the front line…Josh is a perfect 6th man because he really does not play a position..More of an hybrid forward….

It was not a bad pick

December 28th, 2010
9:18 am

J from the A

With the amount of time the ball is in Jamal and Joe Max hands, they both should be around 7 or 8 apg…Al and Marvin should get way more touches..That would stop the offensive droughts…

Ramon

December 28th, 2010
9:18 am

It was not a bad pick, Josh really doesn’t play a position? But he was the best defensive PF in the league last season.

drmaryb (*_*)

December 28th, 2010
9:22 am

J from the A

Like Josh said, “Everybody knows there is NOTHING to do in Milwaukee!”
Except to load up the kids and go to Chicago.

Please understand, they are CHEESE-HEADS! They go to see the Packers and Bucks like Southerners go to Church! It is a family tradition, a way of life and a religion to cheer these two teams. What else are they gonna do?

Like Josh asked, “You mean, there is no Ruth Christ’s Steak House here?”

Come on, “J” Didn’t you know that?

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:27 am

About Bibby, I thought the same things. Why play him 41 minutes, when he can’t guard Paul or Jack? And a Teague DNP Coache’s decision? It’s not that we lost to the Hornet’s, It was just a seemingly winnable game that looked lost because of LD’s rotations.

And no Wilkens when we are playing the likes of Ariza?

But last night all is forgiven. Good win, on pace for a 49-50 win season in the improved East. Hope we don’t fold like a tent in the playoffs again.

And I hope Horford is healthy.

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:28 am

And I don’t know who the blogger “It was not a bad pick” is, but ever since he started blogging, Marvin has been playing really good basketball. Keep blogging!

J from the A

December 28th, 2010
9:30 am

drmaryb,

I guess you have a point there! Even still, it would be nice to see half of their enthusiasm in our fan base.

it was not a bad pick,

I have come to appreciate your point of view on Marvin. I think you overstate the facts a bit, but underneath these overstatements, there is definitely is some truth. Marvin is talented (way more talented than most of us give him credit). I’d be willing to bet if he was on a team where he was the first or second option, he would probably 18/8 kinda guy.

However, I completely disagree with starting Marvin over Josh. Given Marvin’s abilities and his role (and his role is given to him in part because of team make-up), perhaps he is a more potent weapon coming off the bench.

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:31 am

31 and 38 points in the 2nd half of the past 2 games. That’s not going to win many ball games. Maybe LD is great a pre-game coaching and strategy, but doesn’t adjust well at halftime.

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:35 am

Starting lineup tweaks I would like to at least try:

Teague over Bibby
ZaZa over Twin (good game last night Twin!)
And Marvin over Josh.

I think Josh would be dynamite off the bench if his ego would accept it. Could you imagine Jamal and Josh off the bench?

And I know everybody keeps telling me Josh’s #’s are down because he has been playing more 3. I can accept that for blocks, shooting % (way down in Dec.), and steals. But why would moving to 3 make his Assists go down a full assist per game? I still say Josh’s head is not completely in the game this December, and I don’t know why.

J from the A

December 28th, 2010
9:36 am

Re: Bibby:

Bibby has been solid this year. As we have all seen, his spot up jumpers have been on point, including outstanding from beyond the arc. He is a good facilitator, etc. etc. He has even given improved effort on defense this year. (BTW, his defensive fundamentals are very strong; he just isn’t as fast as he needs to be to keep up with some of the faster PGs in the league.)

However, I have to agree: Bibby does not need to be seeing 30+ minutes per game. The Hawks need him to be fresh for late in the year. Plus, the Hawks need to continue to develop Teague. Teague has come along tremendously since the beginning of the year (or at least it seems). Having a “ready” Teague and a rested Bibby going into the playoffs would be great.

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:37 am

Ramon – You make a good point about Josh. He was 2nd in Defensive Player of the Year voting, right behind Dwight.

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:40 am

I think just about everybody on this blog has said, the keys to the Hawks besides health are Teague, ZaZa, and Marvin. Unlock those 3, and you have a ECF contender on your hands.

And it seems Marvin and too a lesser extent Teague are getting unlocked. I still wish LD would make Teague a regular part of the rotation. The guys got freakish athletic skills that you can’t teach.

oldtimer

December 28th, 2010
9:41 am

Good win for Hawks last night, which makes it even harder to understand why Drew refuses to go with the same lineup, and give at least as many minutes to Teague on a regular basis.

I agree with Grandad, Joe holds the ball too long. Last night he was just holding it, not even bouncing for many seconds and then finally launches a long jumper (i think he made one and missed one). Very strange, I mean ball was just sitting in his hand, nothing at all. Ball must move around, motion offense or not.

Good win, let’s stay with the same lineup and get Teague at least 20 minutes a game

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:42 am

Mido – It would have to be a 1st pick and a couple of 2nd’s for them to even look at it. Young is a Taj Gibson type of talent. Maybe better.

It was not a bad pick

December 28th, 2010
9:43 am

Ramon

Josh is a pf in a sf body…

J from the A

I really am beginning to think Drew was bad hire…Some body has to get Josh to play closer to the rim, I dont think Drew is that guy..Marvin is a better sf than Josh..i like Josh, but he still cannot shoot, and a lot of his jumpers seem to get the Hawks out of sync, if the Hawks had a center who shot jumpers, maybe you could post Josh up against sfs, but josh starting at sf will be a disaster in the future…other than Al, Marvin is the Hawks best jump shot shooter…

SteveW
Its more to come with Marvin.if the hawks ride him, he will score big..We need Joe Max to pass the d&*# ball sometimes…

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:44 am

JJ ain’t changin’, just sayin’. This is JJ’s team and he knows it. And he currently makes 14 times what his head coach does. Just sayin’s all….

STRETCH

December 28th, 2010
9:46 am

I know this is off subject, but does anyone else think that some NBA players look like other people?

Marvin Williams – Tracy Morgan

Michail Finley – Billy Ocean

Andre Miller – Richard Pryor

Just a few that i came up with!

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
9:46 am

And JJ is guranteed 49+ times as much by the Hawks organization over the next 6 years. This is JJ’s team, and the ball will stop when it gets to him usually. End of story.

Ramon

December 28th, 2010
9:49 am

SteveW, if teams come out of the jump trying to set the tone. Why take away your best interior defender and try to convert him to a six man? Josh needs to be in the game against the best front court players and point guard. How many times have we heard when Josh isn’t in the game, there’s no one there to protect the rim? Also, Josh is still a better SF than Marvin, and a better PF than Al (sorry but Al defense is better against centers than power forwards). Marvin has 5 decent games, and Josh has an excellent (not stellar) career. I’ll take Josh. Besides Marvin on the bench allows you to be able to trade Jamal for another bench center or point guard. Marvin can come in and back up Joe. What’s the point of going ‘big’ if you’re going to put in the players who PLAY small (Marvin)? lol

I believe, LD needs to sit Al for a week or two though and let his hand heel. Its better to go ahead and let him get some time BEFORE the all star break. You need everyone as healthy as possible for the home stretch (ala Boston last season) more than anything. Chicago are without Noah right now, so this is the perfect time.

Ramon

December 28th, 2010
9:52 am

It was not, in that case D12 is a center in a pf body. He’s only an inch taller than Horford, and has the upper body of Karl Malone and Charles Oakley, more so than Hakeem, David Robinson, Duncan, Shaq, and other centers. Charles Barkley and Rodman was shorter than Josh. And Horford is only a half an inch taller than Josh, and weigh the same.

It was not a bad pick

December 28th, 2010
9:56 am

Ramon

You and i both know Al is only 6ft8..Howard has at least 2 inches on Al..thats why Al cant do anything with him..you said Josh is not taller than Al, so how tall does that make Josh?..6ft 7..So you are going to war with a front line of 6ft8,6ft7

JeJe

December 28th, 2010
10:00 am

Do NOT start Marvin.

Bring him off the bench and keep him ANGRY so he ATTACKS the basket

lewis

December 28th, 2010
10:01 am

Paul Pierce – Dr. Dre

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
10:18 am

Ramon – Because Josh, according to this blog, is no longer playing interior defense, because he is a 3 now for the most part. So the argument does not merit as currently constructed.

And Marvin has actually had 12 good games out of the past 17.

Ramon

December 28th, 2010
10:20 am

Steve, it does because of rotations. Marvin is a good one on one defender, but he sucks in defensive rotations.

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
10:21 am

Ramon – Because Josh is at 3 now, I’m being told that’s why his blocks are down to 1.5 per game in December from 2.4 in November per game, and his steals are down to 1.2 per game, from 1.7 in December. I still don’t know why his assists are down a full assist per game because he’s at a 3. But his shooting % being down 7.6% and only making 3 of 17 of his last 3’s I m being told it is because of his move to the 3 spot. I say it is more mental and being disengaged from the game than anything else.

JeJe

December 28th, 2010
10:22 am

Why did it take so damn long to send Pape Sy off to the D-League. We’re 30+ games into the season and LD acts like they needed to go. No !@##ing !@#$. Maybe if you had sent them a month ago theyd have more playing experience.

IS DAMIEN WILKINS EVER GOING TO PLAY AGAIN?

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
10:24 am

I guess my point is, I think Josh’s head is not in the game on a consistent basis, and I’m not sure why. 7 years in the League, he should be maturing emotionally by now. Look at his meltdown in Beantown. Josh is one of my favorite players, but something just ain’t right. He’s not quite the Old Josh right now. Can’t figure it out.

SteveW

December 28th, 2010
10:25 am

JeJe – Sy had a back injury, so treatment in ATL was better than at D-League.

And I agree with you about Wilkens. I still think Mo’ is getting showcased for a trade. And who knows, maybe Marvin is as well.

ltdbrave

December 28th, 2010
10:28 am

Remind me again why we paid Joe Johnson a max contract and reupped Bibby? What a waste.