Atlanta Hawks at Bucks: Jordan Crawford could be next for D-League
Milwaukee– Pape Sy is off to Utah to play in the D-League. It’s possible Jordan Crawford will join him at some point.
“There has been some talk about it,” L.D. said. “We are certainly going to keep our options open with our young guys, putting them in situations where they can get some playing time instead of practicing every day and just being with the team. I would rather them be somewhere playing, where they are learning, where they can get some experience.”
- L.D had one of his ongoing shot-selection chats with Smoove today. Josh lately has failed to make long jump shots at a respectable rate and it was particularly glaring with Atlanta’s relative lack of a post presence at New Orleans last night. Said L.D.:
“I am definitely going to stay with it. As I told him this morning through our breakfast and walkthrough, we have got to get established early inside. We don’t want to come out jacking shots up and he has done that the last couple of games. I have brought it to his attention we have got to be more mindful that we do have to get established early in the paint. I don’t mind jump shots but we’ve got to establish inside, then out. Especially him, he is a guy we rely on to be effective in the post. I am going to go to him and I expect him to deliver down there, not to settle for being on the perimeter, people playing five feet off of him, and then he’s jacking it up.”
- No Drew Gooden (foot) for the Bucks. Brandon Jennings is out after foot surgery but Earl Boykins and Keyon Dooling are capable of dancing through Atlanta’s pick-and-roll D. You know, sort of like they did last time, when Milwaukee’s bench beat down the Hawks. “They still have capable guards,” L.D. said. “Both Dooling and Boykins have really done well for them since Jennings has been out. Our game up there when they beat us it was Boykins and Dooling, to me, who changed the game.”
- L.D. is using the Twin lineup tonight. Marvin heads to the bench. “We recognize the fact that Al at the five, going against Bogut he gives up too much sizewise and strengthwise,” Drew said.
- Frank Madden at Brew Hoop offers an Al/Bogut comparison:
Horford and Andrew Bogut are both making pretty compelling cases to back up Dwight Howard on the Eastern Conference all-star squad, but I’m not sure there will be room for both of them–especially with Amare Stoudemire seeing lots of small-ball center action in New York. Bogut has a clear edge on the defensive end, blocking three times as many shots (2.90 bpg vs. 0.91) and rebounding at a higher rate as well (11.4 rpg vs. 9.6), while Horford wins going away on the offensive end. The former Florida man is averaging 19.8 pts/40 on 60.7% true shooting and turns it over on just 8.0% of possessions, while Bogut is putting up 16.1 pts/40 on just 52.1% with an 11.4% turnover rate.
What’s perhaps most impressive about Horford’s game is how much damage he does on the perimeter. He’s doubled the number of long jumpers he takes (from 2.2 to 4.5/game) while converting at an incredible 59% clip (85/145), best in the league among players with more than 35 attempts from that range. He’s especially dangerous in pick & roll situations, ranking 6th in the league with 1.23 points per possession and making 63% of his shots–much of it on pick/pop action. In contrast, Bogut takes twice as many shots/game at the rim but has only taken eight shots outside of 10 feet all season (including three end-of-quarter Hail Marys), missing each and every one of them.
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133 comments Add your comment
northcyde
December 27th, 2010
8:08 pm
That’s where Jordan needs to be, so that he can learn how to play the 2 ( both offensively and defensively ). Utilize the D-League, Sund
O'Brien
December 27th, 2010
8:14 pm
Why does it take the Hawks so long to make these decisions?
Us bloggers have been saying for weeks that Sy and JC2 should be sent to the D-League for PT. And this is when LD and Rick are discussing it?
Hawks need a win tonight.
O'Brien
December 27th, 2010
8:16 pm
Over the off-season, AJ suggested the Hawks go after Dooling. And I think he would have been a good addition.
Although LD probably thought Teague would have earned consistent minutes, and that has not happened.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 27th, 2010
8:19 pm
Nice start for the Hawks. It’s clear the Bucks are not the same team without Brandon Jennings.
O'Brien
December 27th, 2010
8:20 pm
Najeh,
We have seen these fast starts from the Hawks before (including last night).
Najeh Davenpoop
December 27th, 2010
8:21 pm
Yeah, I know…. There was a time when I would have said something like “if they can keep this up they will win this game easily”, but we all know how that works.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 27th, 2010
8:23 pm
For those of you who are going to watch Falcons-Saints on TV and stream this game (like me), here’s the link.
Melvin
December 27th, 2010
8:27 pm
Yeah, Teague is in the game…
Barry
December 27th, 2010
8:29 pm
Even the Bucks commentators are talking about Horford being unappreciated and underutilized. L.D. is such an idiot.
Sleepy
December 27th, 2010
8:31 pm
What did people think was gonna happen ? Did they think JJ and Josh would jut step aside and let Horford be the man ? They gotta get ther numba’s
Sleepy
December 27th, 2010
8:32 pm
WTH is going on with our free throw shooting this season we are leaving way to many free points off the board
rusty
December 27th, 2010
8:35 pm
Why don’t the dopes send jt their also. I guess the dope wants to make sure he gets mo playing time
Melvin
December 27th, 2010
8:36 pm
SMH and wondering why LD dont play Teague more often. I love the way he attack the paint…
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
8:36 pm
teague should do good against the diminutive boykins..
Sleepy
December 27th, 2010
8:37 pm
Well the only pg LD feels Teague can match up with is Boykins
Sleepy
December 27th, 2010
8:41 pm
screw u Zaza made me spill my beer with that weak post move …You were wide open its time to get rid of these clowns and stop kidding ourselves
northcyde
December 27th, 2010
8:42 pm
Zaza is just horrible around the rim, with that 3 inch vertical. But he does have a knack for drawing fouls at times.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 27th, 2010
8:42 pm
We need a guy like Maggette that doesnt mind puttin his head down and drivin to the basket (successfully) during those late game situations when all our players are bricking jump shots and are either too finesse, frail, or clumsy on drive attempts.
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
8:44 pm
wow marvin the mighty duck! lol
Ron
December 27th, 2010
8:46 pm
Marvin has a little bit of swag in his limp, I mean…his step, tonight.
northcyde
December 27th, 2010
8:48 pm
Who’s the best #24 in the NBA?
MARVIN!!
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
8:50 pm
zaza… ayayay! smh..
Ron
December 27th, 2010
8:52 pm
I think that’s enough of the bench for this quarter. They did a nice job, but it’s about time to get Joe, Josh, and Al back in the game.
kwooden1
December 27th, 2010
8:54 pm
Nice offensive by the HAWKS. Everyone is making their shots. Teague is playing pretty well against Boykins. The defensive is OK, but the rebound is definitely where it needs to be. Good game by the bench also.
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
8:56 pm
teague should have passed the ball.. anyway nice 3.. improved range.. goodjob teague
Melvin
December 27th, 2010
8:56 pm
LOL at Teague, he saw Bibby at the scores table and no way he was going to give the ball up on that fast break…
Ron
December 27th, 2010
8:56 pm
It seems like Josh and Al have been on the bench for an eternity.
kwooden1
December 27th, 2010
8:58 pm
Now, I’m worried Bibby is in for Teague!
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
9:00 pm
bad foul mike! bring back teague since he’s doing great vs boykins!
Bailey
December 27th, 2010
9:03 pm
Another half of basketball where Horford is essentially ignored on the offensive end. I guess some things may never change. At least the team is hitting shots tonight.
kwooden1
December 27th, 2010
9:05 pm
Nice 3 by Bibby, it looks like he’s doing the best job he can on defensive.
JJ just rushed a jumpshot on the break. Got to wait until the rebounders are in the paint.
Mantis
December 27th, 2010
9:05 pm
If I were Jordan Crawford, I would demand to be traded. He can do better than the D-league, and the Hawks have seriously shortchanged him, as they have done many of their draft picks. I hate that this city treats their rookies with such little respect.
Melvin
December 27th, 2010
9:08 pm
Whenever Bibby is in the game, the Hawks do a lot scrambling on the defense to cover the shooters…
kwooden1
December 27th, 2010
9:08 pm
Two bad turnovers in a row by ATL.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 27th, 2010
9:09 pm
Good half for the Hawks. Solid minutes for Teague.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 27th, 2010
9:10 pm
And another game where Marvin comes off the bench looking confident and assertive.
JeJe
December 27th, 2010
9:10 pm
Good first half but we really should be up much more.
This Bucks team sucks. Got too fancy at end of first half.
I firmly believe that our depth is millions better when Marvin is coming off the bench. When that happens, our big rotation is better and Marvin plays ANGRY
We need Marvin playing ANGRY every night. Dude was ATTACKIng there
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
9:13 pm
9 shot attempts for bogut vs 3 shot attempts for horford… the boss deserves more touches LD!
drmaryb (*_*)
December 27th, 2010
9:14 pm
Looks like Damien will stick around if Pape & Jordan go to Utah.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 27th, 2010
9:17 pm
DEFENSE!
Falcons paying some NASTY defense! Dang! I see a very low scoring game!
We gotta’ get that run game going now.
Saints up: 3-0
doc
December 27th, 2010
9:20 pm
i think orlando is well again. good aggressive move. got to admire their nads on this one, taking arenas as added topping to the cake.
Allen
December 27th, 2010
9:21 pm
It’s amazing how much the Bucks value Andrew Bogut. He’s clearly their primary offensive option, even with Jennings in, they often go to Bogut down the stretch. Look at his number of field goal attempts in the first half tonight (12). That’s more than Al and Josh combined, and 4x as many attempts as Horford has. It just goes to show you how poorly the Hawks utilize their bigs. Now, I know that Pachulia, Powell, and Zaza should not really be used much on the offensive end, but Josh is a pretty decent player in the paint, and Al is very effective offensive player. This team has so many problems that it’s not even funny (it’s actually the opposite of funny). The only reason why the Hawks are up by so much tonight is due to the fact that the jump shots have been falling. If we were playing a strong defensive team and the jump shots weren’t dropping, we’d probably be down by double figures by now, and L.D. would have Bibby, Jamal, Mo, and Joe in the game at the same time. We aren’t playing in the post at all tonight. Don’t let the fact that we are ahead fool you. We are still playing a soft jump shooting game, and ignoring our bigs in the post, as we usually do. Our coach is so damn pathetic.
doc
December 27th, 2010
9:21 pm
who knows, having teague with marvin might be a boost, too.
kwooden1
December 27th, 2010
9:24 pm
Now lets see if the HAWKS come out in the 2nd half and tank again. If I see them not going to the basket or getting to the free throw-line I might go crazy.
Allen
December 27th, 2010
9:28 pm
What did I tell you in my last post? As soon as the Hawks start missing jump shots, the Bucks will start to close the gap. That’s exactly what is happening, and Al has yet to take a shot yet, or even get a post-up opportunity.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 27th, 2010
9:30 pm
If Bogut has 12 attempts and they’re down by 17 pts?
Why do you envy that? Apparently Bogut Sux on offense – right?
And, what is the Buks record? Are they above .500?
Show me the adoration here.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:33 pm
Marvin is clearly improving – hope he doesn’t disappear again.
And judging by the article – “young guys”, I would not be surprised to see JT end up in D league as well. I hope not, guys a player.
kwooden1
December 27th, 2010
9:37 pm
Just the start that I thought jumpshots and poor defensive.
Allen
December 27th, 2010
9:37 pm
drmaryb,
The point is that the Bucks have a much more effective offensive strategy. They are down because they are missing shots, but their inside out style is smart and gets them higher percentage shots than we get. We are up only because our jump shots are falling. Attacking the paint and playing inside out is better than basing the majority of your offensive attack on jump shots. Jump shots will eventually stop falling. If you play inside, not only do you have a better chance at hitting a higher percentage shot, but you also have a much better chance of getting to the free throw line for easy points and getting your opponents in foul trouble. If the Bucks and Hawks had equal talent, their strategy would win 9 out of 10 times against us.
kwooden1
December 27th, 2010
9:37 pm
Bucks run their offensive a lot better than we do.
rusty
December 27th, 2010
9:38 pm
I wish bloggers would stick to basketball as I am taping falcons to watch later thanks
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
9:39 pm
trade crawford for salmons!
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:40 pm
The Hawks are definitely not a 2nd half team. That is poor coaching at half time usually, not being prepared for the 2nd half.
Ramon
December 27th, 2010
9:40 pm
The reason Al haven’t had that many attempts tonight isn’t because of LD, Joe, or Josh. Al hasn’t had that many attempts because Bogut has been matched up against him on defense all night. And Al hasn’t been winning any positioning battles against Bogut. Majority of his attempts (like always) have been jumpers also. Al is just a rebounding Rip Hamilton tonight.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:43 pm
No Teague in the 2nd half while Bibby is playing terrible – Good coaching LD!
No Marvin in the 2nd half after he scores 9pts in 8 minutes – Great strategy!
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
9:44 pm
marvin.. yo the man..
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:44 pm
We should have this one in a cakewalk. LD must be the worst 2nd half coach in the NBA right now. Hope he learns.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:46 pm
Marvin 12 pts. in 11 minutes. Why LD won’t play him more I don’t know.
Funny when a guy named it wasn’t a bad pick started blogging defending Marvin (how I don’t know) Marvin has been very good since then.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:48 pm
Josh 0-3 on treys tonight – That makes him 3 for his last 17. Quit shooting the 3 Josh!
Collins 9 boards in 23 minutes against Bogut – Good job
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:49 pm
Hawks outscored by 5 in the 3rd quarter. Box score look familiar by period? 29, 28, then 20. The 4th quarter could get ugly. Get Teague back out there!
Randiferous
December 27th, 2010
9:49 pm
I’m going to say it now. Josh Smith takes too many shots for his limited offensive ability. He’s currently second on the team in attempts tonight with 12. That’s not bad, considering he’s made 50% of his shots, but the thing that bothers me is that a lot of those shots were bad shots. 25% of his attempts tonight have been from 3 point range, all of which he missed. It wouldn’t be as large of an issue if he was the team’s best or even second or third best offensive player, but he’s clearly not, so him taking bad shots really takes a lot away from the team.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:51 pm
Teague has the best +/- tonight – Thanks for getting him back out there! He JJ and Marvin are beasts on the court together.
Wonder if Jamal is injured? Not playing much this evening.
Ramon
December 27th, 2010
9:52 pm
Randi, have you watched the game or just box score? One of Josh’s attempt was right before the half with 2 seconds on the game clock. And another was with 3 seconds on the shot clock after Joe had dribbled out 13 seconds of the clock.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:52 pm
Boykins, remember we signed Sy over Boykins, Shaq, and Dampier. And we wonder why we are mired in mediocrity.
Randiferous
December 27th, 2010
9:53 pm
There’s one other thing that I need to get off of my chest. I hate Jamal Crawford’s shot selection as of late. He makes some tough shots, but lately, they are all pretty bad shots.
jean
December 27th, 2010
9:53 pm
LD is a piece of trash
Ramon
December 27th, 2010
9:53 pm
Steve, we can thank Boykin for that. If Boykin wasn’t in the game, I don’t think LD would’ve played him tonight either. Also why have we still not seen Wilkins?
jean
December 27th, 2010
9:54 pm
destroyin crawfords numbers and minutes
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:54 pm
Bogut and Al both have 10 pts. and 9 boards tonight.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 27th, 2010
9:54 pm
Nimbers Don’t Lie!
Allen said: “It’s amazing how much the Bucks value Andrew Bogut.”
Bucks 12-16 record.
Hawks 19-12 record.
So, How’s that working? To your credit Allen, Horford should get more touches, but only if his azz is in the post. He’s killing opponents on that pick ‘n Pop tho.
I see the Falcons running the ball down the Saints Guts with Power!
That is demoralizing to a team! That’s an Identity, a style of Play that wears the other team down in the 4th Qrtr.
I would like to see The Hawks do that with Al and Josh. If Al would play BIG and INSIDE? I would feed him like a newborn! But, Al has to plant his big butt on the blocks.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:55 pm
Ramon – Same here. Wilkens hasn’t played in a while, but he’s clearly better than Mo’. What gives?
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:56 pm
Drmaryb – Al actually need a bigger derrier to play C in this League!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 27th, 2010
9:56 pm
I love those Teague blocked shots. Opposing players probably never expect that.
Bailey
December 27th, 2010
9:57 pm
I love watching Teague block shots from bigs. It’s pretty hilarious. Rarely do you see a PG swat the shot of a PF. I love Teague’s aggressiveness lately.
Melvin
December 27th, 2010
9:58 pm
Thats one thing i like about Teague, he can contribute in other phases in the game other than scoring. 1 on 1 defense, steals, block shots, dribble drive and passing..
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:58 pm
Teague once again has more blocks than Josh. Where has Josh’s shotblocking gone? Only averaging 1.6 per game for the month of Dec.
Ramon
December 27th, 2010
9:58 pm
LD should ask John Thompson to come in during some practices and work with Al and Josh on the block.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
9:59 pm
Teague is a phenomenal athlete who I hope LD doesn’t destroy.
kwooden1
December 27th, 2010
9:59 pm
You can’t teach that kind of ability from Jeff! He had a turnover, then got a block and an assist!
Ramon
December 27th, 2010
10:00 pm
SteveW, that’s the result of the big line up. Josh is forced to spend much of his time on the perimeter, so even when a pg or sg drive the lane, he can’t help because he’s on the other side of the court.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:01 pm
4 asst. for Teague in 13 minutes. And why did he get a DNP against Chris Paul and Jack last nite?
Ramon
December 27th, 2010
10:01 pm
Also, Josh and Al play more timidly in the first half it seems, out of fear of being benched by LD for two fouls.
The big difference between LD and Woody is many times Woody would look stupid. He’d just have a stupid look on his face. He’d be confident but look stupid. LD on the other hand many time just looks scared. He looks smart but scared.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:03 pm
Ramon – Then who do we have with help interior defense? I haven’t seen anyone. Also, I think Josh is down in blocks even when we’re not playing big.
jean
December 27th, 2010
10:03 pm
crawford should spitt in LD face next timeout
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:03 pm
Ramon, hilarious about LD looking scared! Good point
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:05 pm
Josh just doesn’t look like he could win the dunk contest anymore. Lost a little spring in his step.
Ramon
December 27th, 2010
10:08 pm
Steve, no one helps in the big lineup, that’s part of the problem. If we had a better defensive point guard, we wouldn’t need to go big though.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:10 pm
Who would have thought Jason Collins with more minutes than JJ?
bigdave
December 27th, 2010
10:10 pm
aight guys..
enlighten me.. whats the story of the game? down @ the dome, watching our defense play their best ball of the year..
bigdave
December 27th, 2010
10:10 pm
poop..
whats going on..?
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:11 pm
Marvin 11 pts and 5 boards in only 19 minutes – Good game.
bigdave
December 27th, 2010
10:11 pm
Melvin..?
bigdave
December 27th, 2010
10:12 pm
Marvin has been solid of late..
get him outta here while he’s hot.. or see if he’s finally come along?
personally, i’ve seen enough..
Atlanta bench? Teague.. ? we went big.. Marvin off the bench, Carolina days.. best role?
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:13 pm
Hawks big halftime lead, let it slip in the 3rd, and have kept it about 10. Salmone, Dooling, and Boykins have played well for the Bucks.
Teague, Marvin, Jamal, Jason Collins, and Al have played well for the Hawks. JJ off shooting tonight, hasn’t played in the 4th much.
pinoy hawk
December 27th, 2010
10:14 pm
player of the game: marvin!
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:14 pm
Al 16 pt and 12 boards. Bogut has had a terrible 2nd half thanks to Jason Collins – way to go JC3!
terrell
December 27th, 2010
10:15 pm
Marvin with the dagger. lol!
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:16 pm
We’ve actually outscored somebody in the 4th qtr. Wahoo!
bigdave
December 27th, 2010
10:16 pm
hmm..
appreciate it Steve dub..
drmaryb (*_*)
December 27th, 2010
10:17 pm
Al JUMPER is Money!
Marvin plays fantastic from the bench!
Teague – Never Give Up on the play = Blocks!
Great Hawks Defense and Urgency tonight!
Falcons will continue to run the ball, eat the clock and WIN it in the 4th!
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:18 pm
Man we have a brutal schedule coming up with that West Coast swing thru Jan. 5th, then we get a little break.
Allen
December 27th, 2010
10:19 pm
drmaryb,
I think you are misunderstanding what I’m saying, or maybe I was a little bit unclear in my last posts. The Bucks are not a better team than the Hawks, but I do think that they have a better offensive strategy than the Hawks. They also play better team basketball and have a better coach. The main issue for the Bucks is that they have inferior talent when compared with most NBA teams, but their principles and play styles are very sound. Even though Bogut has not been converting on all of those post-up opportunities, I love the fact that the Bucks make it a point to play inside, and start their attack in the post. I don’t think a lot of people realize how much it disrupts the opposing team’s defense when you attack inside and cause them to collapse. The point is that a post-up attempt within 5-10 ft. of the basket is much more of a high percentage shot than a 15-20 ft. jumper, unless you have Al’s effectiveness from midrange. For the most part though, you are not going to hit 50% or more of your jump shots, whereas you are likely to hit 50+% of your shots from inside, and when teams start to collapse into the paint to stop you inside, it opens up a lot of things on the perimeter for your shooters.
The Bucks obviously have a subpar record, but I’m under the impression that if they had the talent on their roster that the Hawks have, they would be a pretty darn good team.
As far as Bogut is concerned, he probably takes more shots than he should, especially tonight, and I would argue that Horford is a superior player, but I like the fact that the Bucks really utilize their bigs as much as they can. I would like to see the Hawks utilize their big men more, especially in the post. Josh needs some work on his offensive game, but he’s still fairly effective there. Al is already pretty darn effective in the post, and I hope he continues to improve there as well.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:22 pm
Hope LD keeps playing Teague. He and JJ had the best +/- tonight.
Collins 12 Boards in 30+ minutes and shut Bogut down in the 2nd half!
Al 18 and 12 – about average.
Good win Hawks! Lets go Falcons!
P.S. JJ struggled offensively in the 2nd half again. And Josh hoisted up to many 3’s and misses 0-3.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 27th, 2010
10:23 pm
“Teague once again has more blocks than Josh. Where has Josh’s shotblocking gone? Only averaging 1.6 per game for the month of Dec.”
This has more to do with moving him away from the hoop and playing him at SF than it does with anything about his physical condition. I don’t think he is any less explosive now than he was a few years ago. He just spends too much time away from the hoop as a SF.
Good win for the Hawks. Milwaukee is really, really disjointed though with an injured Jennings and no more Ridnour. Not having a point guard on that team really shows.
I will say this though — moving Smoove to SF hurts his production big time, but it seems to help everyone else. Marvin is more aggressive off the bench, Horford gets easier opportunities on offense, and Collins takes over the responsibility of playing physically down low.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:23 pm
I wonder if Skiles will be on the hot seat? I remember last year they heated up after Jan. 1st, and had won like 13 in a row when Bogut went down.
Bailey
December 27th, 2010
10:24 pm
Solid game for the Hawks. This was the type of night where it seemed like the Hawks really shot the lights out, but as an additional positive, the defense was pretty effective overall. The Hawks didn’t let the Bucks play their style completely and they did a pretty good job of locking down the paint and forcing tough shots inside. There were some defensive collapses here and there, but overall, the defense was pretty good. The Hawks also did a nice job on the glass tonight.
I have to tip my hat to Al Horford in this one, he played very well on both ends, and was strong on the glass. I’m glad that the team made a solid effort to go to him more in the second half, and down the stretch. The team plays much better when he’s involved on the offensive end. Also, nice job by Collins tonight on the defensive end and on the glass, and I really liked what I saw from Teague and even Marvin. Marvin is starting to play like a bonafide starter, and not just a guy filling a hole in the starting lineup. Teague seems to be gaining confidence as well. I hope that L.D. continues to give him minutes.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:25 pm
Najeh – I hope your correct. It just seems even when we’re not playing big, Josh doesn’t have the blocks or hops like he used to. But maybe he’ll come around. He’s certainly not a natural 3 it looks to me.
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:26 pm
I still say Collins on Bogut is the story of the Night
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
10:30 pm
We out rebounded the Bucks 47-33, Wow!
hawkfan
December 27th, 2010
10:31 pm
after seeing this game I believe we need to play teague more than bibby, no way bibby blocks that shot that teague did b/c bibby will not run that much and get that high to block but let the big man get his shot, plus our team ran more with teague in the game and fastened the pace of the game
Melvin
December 27th, 2010
10:33 pm
bigdave,
Hawks shot lights out in the 1st half to take a 15pt lead. They cool off a little in the 2nd half but had enough offense to with hold the Bucks off. Balance scoring tonight. Seem like every guy had their own stretch of good plays at some point in the game…
Bailey
December 27th, 2010
10:33 pm
SteveW,
It’s not a huge issue if Josh isn’t blocking a lot of shots, as long as he’s still playing strong, solid defense. I like to see lots of blocks on the stat sheet for the Hawks, but great defense isn’t just measured by blocks and steals. If we are preventing the other team from scoring and contesting shots, as well as forcing tough shots and rebounding, then we aren’t losing much on the defensive end without blocks. But, as far as Josh playing at the 3, it is probably less likely that he will get as many blocks anyway, since he’ll be spending a lot of time on the perimeter, and given his size advantage at that position, it’s unlikely that many opponents he’s guarding will try to attack him in the post or try to get by him knowing that he has great shot blocking ability. So, when you are mostly contesting jump shots, like most players do at the 3, you aren’t that likely to get blocks unless they are on the break or on help defense when someone attacks the rim and your man is not standing wide open from beyond the arc. At any rate, I can’t say that the lack of blocks is really Josh’s fault entirely. He’s just playing a different style at the 3.
Ron
December 27th, 2010
10:37 pm
SteveW,
Collins did a nice job defending Bogut, but Bogut has never really been a huge issue for the team. Al has always done a very good job defending him in the past. At any rate, it’s an added bonus that Horford is probably more energized late in games and gets easier looks on the offensive end when he doesn’t have to spend all of his time matched up on Bogut, so I see where you are coming from.
JeJe
December 27th, 2010
10:44 pm
LOL @ the Collins haters.
He was one of our best players tonight.
12 rebounds – yeah awful rebounder!
BRING MARVIN OFF THE BENCH.
EVEN IF COLLINS HAS A MISMATCH, BRING DUCK OFF BENCH
Jody
December 27th, 2010
10:58 pm
JeJe,
Agreed. The Hawks don’t win this game without Collins. In the first game, Collins didn’t play a lot of minutes and the Hawks played with their usual undersized lineup and got killed on the boards. Tonight, Collins starts and plays significant minutes and the Hawks outrebound the Bucks and win the game. Not a coincidence.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 27th, 2010
10:58 pm
Hawks 20-12
Bucks. 12-17
Allen! Where You? You were hugging Bogus-Bogut Nads all night and called our HC an idiot! How’s all that talk working for you now?
Bogut got body slammed and all his shots looked short!
Alligator Arms?
drmaryb (*_*)
December 27th, 2010
11:09 pm
Better Defense beats Any Offense! See Hawks & Falcons!
Abraham intercepts Brees!
SteveW
December 27th, 2010
11:45 pm
Horford MRI for tomorrow. Uh oh, hope our 2nd best player doesn’t go down.
JeJe
December 27th, 2010
11:55 pm
This team is FAR deeper when Duck comes off bench.
When Collins starts, it stretches our rotation.
Just imagine if Damien had played Mo’s minutes tonight (WHY DOES DAMIEN NOT PLAY ANYMORE? WHY DOES MO PLAY?)
We should’ve won this game by 25 points
Same with all these other weaker teams we struggle putting away
Bailey
December 28th, 2010
12:02 am
I really hope that that Horford’s hand injury is nothing major and not anything that requires surgery. We really need Al out there as much as possible. He’s the backbone of the team in my opinion, and our rotation of bigs would be pretty unbalanced without him.
JeJe
December 28th, 2010
12:05 am
We need Marvin coming off the bench with Jamal.
He Jamal and Teague looked incredible tonight. We didn’t even see Powell either
Jason Collins NEEDS to start vs. any non-uptempo team. I understand him not starting vs. a GSW, but teams like Portland, Milwaukee, NJN, Houstonn, Dallas, etc., he MUST start
It is worth starting Collins at the 5 to see Duck come off the bench.
We need Duck playing ANGRY
Ben G.
December 28th, 2010
12:08 am
JeJe,
I agree 100% that our rotation is better with Marvin coming off of the bench. With Marvin coming off the bench, our starting lineups is one of the bigger and more physical lineups in the league, with a lot of mismatch problems. It might make our team a bit slower having Collins in the lineup, but considering that L.D. doesn’t have the Hawks playing a very uptempo game anyway, that’s not much of an issue. Smoove is not as productive at the 3 either, but with a deeper rotation of bigs, we can mix and match with him at the 4 and Horford at the 5 whenever it is advantageous and not lose a beat.
Also, our bench is a lot more productive offensively with Marvin and he gets to use his abilities more when playing with the second unit, since he’s basically the second option in that lineup. Defensively, our second unit is much better with Marvin on it, as well. The only real issue is that Marvin might not be cool with coming off of the bench for the long term.
At any rate, the million dollar question is, like you said, why does Mo Evans play so many minutes when we have Damien now? Defensively, Damien is obviously the better player, and offensively, he can’t be much worse than Mo is. I’d like to hear L.D.’s take on that. Maybe he doesn’t feel like Damien knows the system well enough.
JeJe
December 28th, 2010
12:15 am
Marvin DOES NOT like coming off the bench, as stated in a blog last week.
Bringing him off the bench reduces his minutes (he’s not fully healthy) and keeps him MOTIVATED and ANGRY
When Marvin is playing like this, we are tough to beat (still have no idea how he scores 18 and we lost to freaking New Orleans last night who lost to MINNESOTA tonight).
TRADE BIBBY
slimjr
December 28th, 2010
12:26 am
LD Send Josh to the D-league to learn an offensive game while your at it dude….
JeJe
December 28th, 2010
12:27 am
hey always have a scapegoat when we lose in the Playoffs and can then keep core next year since they hate spending money.
WE HAD INJURIES VS. CLEVELAND AND GOT KILLED IN 4 IN 2009
WE WERE HEALTHY VS. ORLANDO THIS YEAR AND GOT KILLED WORSE THAN ANY TEAM HAS IN NBA HISTORY
WHY DOES NO ONE TALK ABOUT THE CLEVELAND SERIES? WE HAVE NO IMPROVED IN THE LAST 2 YEARS. WE HAVE GOTTEN WORSE.
I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO MENTIONS THE CLEVELAND SERIES. PEOPLE ACT LIKE ORLANDO WAS THE ONLY TIME THIS TEAM HAS GOTTEN KILLED.
SUND NEVER ACKNOWLEDGES WE GOT SWEPT 2 YEARS IN A ROW – ONLY ORLANDO
FIRE SUNDASG’s #1 goal is for someone on the team to always be injured. That way, they always have a scapegoat when we lose in the Playoffs and can then keep core next year since they hate spending money.
WE HAD INJURIES VS. CLEVELAND AND GOT KILLED IN 4 IN 2009
WE WERE HEALTHY VS. ORLANDO THIS YEAR AND GOT KILLED WORSE THAN ANY TEAM HAS IN NBA HISTORY
WHY DOES NO ONE TALK ABOUT THE CLEVELAND SERIES? WE HAVE NO IMPROVED IN THE LAST 2 YEARS. WE HAVE GOTTEN WORSE.
I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO MENTIONS THE CLEVELAND SERIES. PEOPLE ACT LIKE ORLANDO WAS THE ONLY TIME THIS TEAM HAS GOTTEN KILLED.
SUND NEVER ACKNOWLEDGES WE GOT SWEPT 2 YEARS IN A ROW – ONLY ORLANDO
FIRE SUND.
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JeJe
December 27th, 2010
8:06 pm
NAJEH, THAT PROVES MY POINT. WE WERE WORSE LAST YEAR THAN THE YEAR BEFORE IN THE PLAYOFFS.
AND WE ARE WORSE NOW THAN IN ANY OF THE 2 YEARS
FIRE SUND
ASG YOU GUYS BLOW
JeJe
December 28th, 2010
12:29 am
ASG’s #1 goal is for someone on the team to always be injured. That way, they always have a scapegoat when we lose in the Playoffs and can then keep core next year since they hate spending money.
WE HAD INJURIES VS. CLEVELAND AND GOT KILLED IN 4 IN 2009
WE WERE HEALTHY VS. ORLANDO THIS YEAR AND GOT KILLED WORSE THAN ANY TEAM HAS IN NBA HISTORY
WHY DOES NO ONE TALK ABOUT THE CLEVELAND SERIES? WE HAVE NO IMPROVED IN THE LAST 2 YEARS. WE HAVE GOTTEN WORSE.
I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO MENTIONS THE CLEVELAND SERIES. PEOPLE ACT LIKE ORLANDO WAS THE ONLY TIME THIS TEAM HAS GOTTEN KILLED.
SUND NEVER ACKNOWLEDGES WE GOT SWEPT 2 YEARS IN A ROW – ONLY ORLANDO
FIRE SUNDASG’s #1 goal is for someone on the team to always be injured. That way, they always have a scapegoat when we lose in the Playoffs and can then keep core next year since they hate spending money.
WE HAD INJURIES VS. CLEVELAND AND GOT KILLED IN 4 IN 2009
WE WERE HEALTHY VS. ORLANDO THIS YEAR AND GOT KILLED WORSE THAN ANY TEAM HAS IN NBA HISTORY
WHY DOES NO ONE TALK ABOUT THE CLEVELAND SERIES? WE HAVE NO IMPROVED IN THE LAST 2 YEARS. WE HAVE GOTTEN WORSE.
I AM THE ONLY PERSON WHO MENTIONS THE CLEVELAND SERIES. PEOPLE ACT LIKE ORLANDO WAS THE ONLY TIME THIS TEAM HAS GOTTEN KILLED.
SUND NEVER ACKNOWLEDGES WE GOT SWEPT 2 YEARS IN A ROW – ONLY ORLANDO
FIRE SUND.
Ken Strickland
December 28th, 2010
12:36 am
This is just speculation on my part, but maybe MEvans is playing more than DWilkins because Sund want’s to show teams he’s healthy, and is being showcased as trade bait.
lt’s also amusing to read some of the biased comments about Marvin being more productive coming off the bench of late, when he’s actually been more productive as a starter over the last 6gms.
slimjr
December 28th, 2010
12:41 am
Mattie Ice sucked tonight..Defense played great but the offense did not get the job done..Let’s hope they show up next week..Matt Ryan is overrated…..
slimjr
December 28th, 2010
12:44 am
Marvin for CP3
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KevinM
December 28th, 2010
10:01 am
It will snow in Georgia on Xmas before Sund makes an in-season move………wow, miracles do happen. Sund isn’t making any moves…..he is content watching paint dry.
Seriously, there are no minutes for JC2 until JC1 finds a new address….that pick was a JJ-emergency pick..
Zaza, where are your minutes going? Right out the door fella..time to be productive and earn your salary.
Collins / Powell – I am satisfied with what production they have supplied. Find them some minutes.
Marvin…..I am just as happy with Damien at the 3 if Marvin has any value to anyone else. That could be a huge savings to the bottom line.
Joe/Josh/Al – they will be here, so get used to whatever they do…..if they don’t play better come the playoffs, there is zero hope for this team. And all 3 have room to improve.
Did anyone see that Bibby ‘wanna be like CP3′ behind the back pass in NOLA? He just irks me to no end when he gets that many minutes….we go as far as our backcourt takes us….
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salad
December 30th, 2010
12:01 am
I blame your horribly run organization. Crawford is an incredible talent and only the Hawks could screw this up.