Atlanta Hawks at Hornets: Back in action
New Orleans–It’s been a long time . . . I shouldn’t have left you . . . without a strong blog to step to. . . .
Season’s Greetings, blog people. Hope you are having a good Christmas weekend. I had some of my people come down from The Ville to stay with me for a few days. In case they read this, let me just say it was a delightful time and at no point did I contemplate the advantages of living alone. Ain’t family great?
The Hawks are back in action (and Jamal is back in the lineup) but not before taking some time for inaction. L.D. let them loose after the W against Cleveland Wednesday, canceling an early Thursday practice because “it would have been beating a dead horse to death,” or at the very least beating down a tired team.
So the players were free from postgame Wednesday to shootaround today. Everyone showed up and they seemed to have a bit more pep.
“I noticed at shootaround today they seemed really rejuvenated,” L.D. said. “I hope it carries over to the game tonight. They seemed to be a lot spunkier. They looked to be a little fresher, there was a little vibe there. I know that was really needed because the way the schedule was the first 31. Hopefully the little break did them some good and they can come back rejuevenated.”
(The Hornets also haven’t played since Wednesday but coach Monty Williams had them practice twice since then: “I didn’t want to go into the game [after] taking two days off. It’s a long season and you have to take advantage of the breaks but at the same time you’ve got to work.”)
Jamal, Marvin, Joe, Al and Bibby all got some time to rest their nagging nicks and pains.
Jamal said he would have no physical limitations after missing five games with a sore back.
“Now it’s just going to be about getting my timing and getting my game shape back,” he said. “I am just happy to get back out there.”
Al said the swelling has gone down in his shooting hand. It’s “better” but not quite back to feeling normal.
L.D. is starting his regular lineup: Bibby, J.J., Marvin, Smoove and Al.
“We’ll start that way but we will play a lot of big lineup tonight,” L.D. said. “I want to play Al a lot at the four and just go big with Okafor at the five.”
See Pape in Utah
Pape Sy will soon join the D-League’s Utah Flash. They don’t play a game until the end of the week so it’s possible Sy will continue to practice with the Hawks until then . . .
Monty Williams on J.J.: “He plays the point from the post. He’s one of my favorite players, always has been, because he does a number of things. He draws so many double teams and he can kick it around to the open guy.”
MC
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281 comments Add your comment
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
6:57 pm
where’s bigdave?
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
7:00 pm
LETS GO *cricket* *cricket* hawks…
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:00 pm
in the building sir..
Lets get it..
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
7:03 pm
all the back to backs kinda spoiled me. I’m ready for some Hawks basketball.
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
7:13 pm
I see bigdave….
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:13 pm
lol @ Josh haircut..
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
7:14 pm
Josh sporting a new haircut without his headband….LOL
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:16 pm
LMAO @ Josh
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:16 pm
LMFAO…what kinda haircut your boy josh smith got
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
7:16 pm
Hawks key to the game – Marvin hits his first shot, therefore he plays with confidence and does not disappear
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:16 pm
Damn can the Hawks Rebound please
Sleepy
December 26th, 2010
7:16 pm
Lets stay healthy and start building some momentum heading into the all star break .
Do these guys realize the opportunity that is being presented to them ?
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:17 pm
Uh Oh Marvin might be super DUCK this game
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:17 pm
Hey we need to beat New Orleans 2 times.
Today and tommorrow against the Saints.
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
7:18 pm
I like how Marvin is playing to start this game. Although Ariza gave him a facial….
Rod from College Park
December 26th, 2010
7:18 pm
This is my point about Marvin. Teams leave him wide open. If he continue to knock down wide open shots, we become a very dangerous team.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:19 pm
Josh Smith went and got that 1990s R&B Boy Band cut for the Holiday Season.
I thought that was Marques Houston from the “Immature” days for a min.
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
7:19 pm
Josh look like he has one of those old crew (military) cuts
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
7:19 pm
I wasn’t listening too closely, but I thought that I heard one of the Hornet’s announcers that Kenny Gattison (Hawks assistant) is Marvin Williams uncle. Is that right?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:20 pm
Steve Urkel fade
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:20 pm
Josh look like a member of FULL FORCE lol
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:21 pm
I hope we can win this goin away…would be nice..
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:22 pm
Josh rocking the lil boosie..
he feeling right at home with that Louisiana cut..
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:22 pm
LMFAO…BOOSIE
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:23 pm
aye i can stop laughing at that cut.. the front look straight though.. but the back.. he brought the fade up too high didnt he?
Sleepy
December 26th, 2010
7:25 pm
How do you fall for Ariza’s pump fakes when he cant shoot ?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:25 pm
Smoove think it’s so cool he didnt even rock the headband…tryin to show it off lmfao.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:26 pm
bad shot from smoove..
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
7:26 pm
If the Hawks were boxing out tonight they’d be up by fifteen
i_am_soulstar
December 26th, 2010
7:26 pm
Is Josh trying to shoot us out of the game? It’s gotta be that haircut.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:26 pm
mac..
yea.. he swear its fresh..
i_am_soulstar
December 26th, 2010
7:28 pm
Maybe he’s cutting his own hair now *Soulstar shrug*
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:28 pm
welcome back….IsoCrawford
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:29 pm
Joe’s lookin reformed
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:29 pm
hmm.. they going @ Al..
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:31 pm
marvin fumble
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:31 pm
an excellent job @ almost not dribbling the ball out of bounds..
ok.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:31 pm
duck down
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
7:31 pm
lmfao pachulia travel
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:32 pm
Damn Marvin LOL
U look so awkward when u get hit lmao
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:32 pm
“Well, He’s tall….and he makes free throws”
-Mike Bibby
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
7:33 pm
welcome back Joe
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:34 pm
hmm,, “Mo Williams”.
ok.
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:35 pm
Put in Teague LD. GOT DAMN wat is worng with you.
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:36 pm
JAMAL CRAWFORD IS NOT A PG
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:37 pm
lazy effort at fighting over screen to contest from Jamal.
Bailey
December 26th, 2010
7:38 pm
I hope that L.D. plays Horford in the second quarter with those 2 fouls because this game is getting dangerously close, and on the road, the Hawks need to make sure that they maintain control and dictate tempo, which is much easier to do when you have the lead.
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
7:41 pm
SMH at LD. Teague has been playing well but we prefer to play Crawford and Crawford at PG. No defense from either of those guys….
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:41 pm
Here we go with this bull-ISH
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
7:41 pm
and pachulia calls himself a center…
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:41 pm
Agreed Melvin
LD is ruining this game
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:42 pm
What the Hell is LD thinking. Zaza is terrible and Jamal is is not a PG
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:45 pm
Josh with the headband back on lol
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
7:46 pm
Josh found his headband while he was on the bench…lol
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:46 pm
somebody told Josh we were getting on him..
he brought his headband out..
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
7:46 pm
get Mo evans out of the game
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
7:47 pm
LOL,
Ms. Sautee just asked if Josh lost a bet.
Bailey
December 26th, 2010
7:48 pm
I hope L.D. makes the right decisions tonight as far as the rotation goes. I’m surprised not to see Teague at all yet, considering Jamal has been taking Marvin’s invisible man role tonight with lackluster effort and energy. Hopefully, L.D. will let Teague get some minutes in the second quarter. Also, I hope that Al returns to the game soon. It has been all down-hill since he left the floor. If L.D. is maturing as a coach, he’ll put him back in in the second quarter.
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:49 pm
LD is the reason why we are LOSING right now instead of WInning by 10
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
7:49 pm
I wish we had guards that could do what Jack just did.
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:49 pm
Another Terrible Shot from Osh Smith
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:50 pm
any other pg takes that ball on to the cut instead of kicking it out to Josh..
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:52 pm
work Josh..!
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
7:53 pm
THe rotation will not lose this game. if the Hawks lose tonight it will be because they are not boxing out at all
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
7:53 pm
bigdave,
Let’s give him credit for knowing his limitations.
Kaveman
December 26th, 2010
7:54 pm
Someone tell JOSH to stop taking those long jumpers. Please stay with dunking, blocking, rebounding & lay ups. Oh his website is jsmoove.net and please someone tell him.
Ronald D.
December 26th, 2010
7:55 pm
Well, it looks like Larry Drew’s stupidity has returned to him. I should have know that his few good moves in the past were too good to be true. This guy is absolute garbage. It’s arguable that he is the worst coach in the league. The rotations tonight have been horrid. Al Horford should be in the game right now, and Jamal should be out the game. Bibby and Jamal should be be playing together at the same time with the defensive deficiencies that they have. The only reason that the Hawks are even close in this one is due to some very poor play from the Hornets. Drew is such a disgrace. I’d really like for the ASG to let him go.
Ronald D.
December 26th, 2010
7:56 pm
Correction on my last post: *Bibby and Jamal should NOT be playing together at the same time.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:57 pm
Joe w/ the Euro step..
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
7:57 pm
lmao i love joe johnson
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
7:58 pm
wow..
good d.
Sleepy
December 26th, 2010
7:58 pm
that right there was why we dont play on xmas lol
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
7:59 pm
LD needs to think.
His Brain is just like his suits WORN THE HELL OUT
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:00 pm
Bibby getting brolic!
Sleepy
December 26th, 2010
8:00 pm
No O Okafor has his scoring average of 10 points in the first half but all people do is whine about Bibbys or Crawfords defense lol
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
8:00 pm
lmao lionhearted
SWAT Native
December 26th, 2010
8:00 pm
MC,I love the Rakim reference! Old school!
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
8:01 pm
wtf marvin??
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
8:01 pm
LMAO @ Marvin
i_am_soulstar
December 26th, 2010
8:02 pm
Looks like another 20-something minute night for Horford
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:02 pm
why is marvin trying to pass out a rebound he gets in the paint.
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
8:03 pm
Because he doesn’t want the ball Rev, as soon as he gets it he looks to give it up…
Sleepy
December 26th, 2010
8:03 pm
@ Rev : Marvin thought it was gonna be 3 seconds lol
Rod from College Park
December 26th, 2010
8:04 pm
Marvin is the worse 6′9 finisher in the league. Never seen a guy that tall hit the ground so much.
i_am_soulstar
December 26th, 2010
8:04 pm
Marvin and Bibby w/ the careless turnovers
i_am_soulstar
December 26th, 2010
8:05 pm
WTF Jamal Crawford??!!!
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
8:06 pm
The Rim averages 3.4 blocks per game.
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
8:07 pm
LOL @ the LD haters.
Damn, you can’t even give the guy half a season, and you just KNOW that he’s awful.
There were some fans in Orlando AND Boston who thought that about Doc Rivers at one time early in HIS first seasons.
32 games is not NEARLY enough time for anyone to tell what kind of coach he is. Particularly with the Hawks on a 50 win pace. Y’all act like we haven’t won 8 games yet, when we’ve won eight ROAD GAMES.
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
8:08 pm
Oh man, Joe Johnson!!
i_am_soulstar
December 26th, 2010
8:08 pm
Marvin’s jumpshot is water though. Maybe that benching was a wake-up call.
Sleepy
December 26th, 2010
8:08 pm
Jamal shouldve waited another game and had a couple of practices hes getting checked by the rim lol
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:08 pm
just when the Hawks were in a position to put the hornets down they let keep letting the hornet’s guards into the paint uncontested
Andy
December 26th, 2010
8:08 pm
Sometimes, I wonder if L.D. just doesn’t like Horford. I know it might sound crazy at first, but it is really starting to seem like L.D. has some personal issue against Horford. Everyone, including L.D. knows that sitting Horford for this long is not helping the team at all. If L.D. doesn’t realize that sitting your player for entire quarters is going to result in him playing less minutes than actual foul trouble, then he doesn’t have the knowledge necessary to coach. I don’t know why we always end up getting the worst coaches in the league here in ATL. It’s so disappointing. Sometimes, I don’t even want to watch the games because I know that if even if the players play well, Larry Drew will most likely do something stupid to jeopardize the team’s chance at a win. What a disgrace.
i_am_soulstar
December 26th, 2010
8:08 pm
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:09 pm
iso-joe
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
8:09 pm
LD does not believe in a player being rusty. Jamal miss 5 games and playing big mins his first game back. He did the same thing with Joe after he missed 3 weeks of action…
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:12 pm
how is benching one of your most productive bigs while increasing the league hurting us?
sometimes i wonder if guys just want to see ZaZa and P get more pt.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:14 pm
bottom line is that new orleans attacks the paint. Al picked up 2 early, 3 isnt hard to get against this team. u will need him come 2nd half.
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:18 pm
are any of you watching the game on channelsurfing.net? The person giving the Christmas day games replays sounds like he is doing a PBS documentary instead of calling highlights
Astro Joe
December 26th, 2010
8:18 pm
Marvin was the best 2005 draft picked player in the first half.
No first half love for Teague, hmmm.
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
8:19 pm
bigdave,
My only reservation is this: How long before Al loses some early aggressiveness for wanting to stay on the floor?
I haven’t seen it yet, but it would be human nature, one would think.
Andy
December 26th, 2010
8:23 pm
I don’t think that many people really understand why the benching of Horford for entire quarters due to the perception that he is in “foul trouble” is such an issue. Bret Lagree does an excellent job explaining the pros and cons of this strategy at Hoopinion. I advise people to take a look at some of his posts.
At any rate, think of it this way. The point of sitting a player when he is in foul trouble is to preserve that player and prevent them from picking up fouls too early, so that you can maximize the use of that player. However, what Larry Drew does really defeat’s the purpose of “maximizing the use of a productive player”. L.D.’s strategy actually results in the player playing less minutes overall due to imaginary foul trouble than he would play with real foul trouble.
With Horford playing only 8 minutes in the first half (with only 2 fouls), the maximum number of minutes he could play overall could be 32 for the night, however, we all know that the chances of him playing the entire 24 minutes in the second half without a rest is extremely unlikely. So, realistically, Horford will probably play about 16 minutes, total, in the second half. That would put him at 24 minutes for the entire night, due to this imaginary perception of foul trouble.
Now, imagine a scenario in which Horford played with 2 fouls in the first quarter. The chances of him picking up a third foul in the second half are reasonably unlikely, and even if that did occur, you may be able to get an extra 6-8 minutes from Horford in the half. Starting the 3rd quarter with 3 fouls is not going to prohibit Al from being aggressive, and most likely, he will still play his regular minutes in the second half, even with 3 fouls. Unless Horford gets to 4 fouls in the third quarter, he will most likely play around 8 minutes in that quarter, and even if he did pick up a 4th foul in the third, he’d probably still play 5 or so minutes in the quarter. Then, even with 4 fouls, he could play without limitation in the fourth quarter and play at least 8 minutes. When you factor all of that in together, Horford would probably end up playing around 30 minutes anyway. So, overall, the bench treatment is a bad idea and shows a lack of knowledge.
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
8:23 pm
And the pisser about Al’s first foul is this: Horford was CLEARLY fouled by West on the rebound which was knocked away and then the ref who called Al for a foul was outside and had a bad angle (replay showed NO foul). If West had been called for HIS foul, Al’s wouldn’t have even happened.
Astro Joe
December 26th, 2010
8:25 pm
I’d be shocked if AL finishes this game with more than 4 fouls.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:26 pm
Sautee..
point.
at least by taking him out early w/ 2 @ least you wont have to worry about him playing that way late.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:28 pm
he might not finish w/ more than 4, but they were asserting the inside game and attacking the rim. u cant run the risk of playing w/ ZaZa and P to finish games..
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:31 pm
Al’s feet in quick sand when the ball comes off rim.
more jump shots for Al. he’d get his share..
listen, if you’re getting offense from other areas. sitting Al w/ 2 fouls isnt going to kill u. he doesnt impact the game from a defensive standpoint and we had no problem scoring. whats the issue.. ?
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:35 pm
dont know why Marvin doesnt cut to the basket when he man leaves him.
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
8:36 pm
See what happens when your STUPID ROTATIONS destroy the flow of the game
LD is clueless
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:36 pm
he picked up his pivot.
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
8:37 pm
Yeah Josh was assuming Marvin would be aggressive and cut to the rim.
Well Marvin……….
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:37 pm
huh?
Drew hadnt made a sub since halftime.. how did he screw the game up 9 @ half?
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:38 pm
lol. Al reaching down fouling.
smh. and you wonder why he sat.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:38 pm
now you can afford to leave him in w/ 3
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:39 pm
why didnt Joe switch back… lazy
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
8:39 pm
When are we going to see some accountability for Bibby lack of defense?
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:39 pm
Game, set, match goes to bigdave
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
8:40 pm
His dumb decisions in the 1st half effects wat happens in the 2nd half also
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
8:41 pm
Somebody told CP3 that Astro was dissing him. LOL
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
8:41 pm
..? we were up 9.
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:43 pm
I do not understand why teague is not out there when Jamal is stinking it up on offense.
Ray
December 26th, 2010
8:43 pm
LMAO at bigdave. “[Al] doesn’t impact the game from a defensive standpoint…”. This makes me wonder if you even understand the game of basketball. Not to mention the fact that Al is team’s best rebounder, most efficient scorer, best post player, statistically, he’s also the best individual post defender, and one of the best mid-range shooter on the team (stat-wise). You lose a lot by not having him on the floor, both offensively and defensively. It’s a lot more complicated than your shallow analysis states.
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
8:43 pm
bigdave,
We started missing jump shots.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 26th, 2010
8:44 pm
Marvin out with cramps, he should be fine after he takes his Midol.
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
8:46 pm
LOL, the Hornets announcers said that Paul has scored 11pts in the 3rd and blame it on Mike Bibby…LOL
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
8:48 pm
Oh no, Hawks are shooting 3 for 12 in the 3rd and have fallen behind. Duck is playing like BIG DUCK. He is laying low for the next 7-10 games..Man he sucks. Hawks lose with the three stooges on the floor in the 4th quarter!! Its a wrap. Chris paul is lighting it up now. Wow Billy you took DUCK over Chris. Your a GENIUS!! NOT…..My remote is getting ready to make a change. I can’t TAKE THIS sorry team………………………………………………
Najeh Davenpoop
December 26th, 2010
8:48 pm
Centers guarding point guards, Iso-Joe… has Woody possessed LD’s body this quarter?
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
8:49 pm
Dumb coaching by LD. He’s trying to defend Paul with bigger and slower defenders….
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
8:49 pm
Hey Marvin just take a leave of absence. Trust me you will not be missed…
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
8:49 pm
Is Teague injured?
Hawks vs Hornets
December 26th, 2010
8:51 pm
Hawks come out flat after the half … Hornets make em pay. Can’t come out flat in the 4th if they want to win this one
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
8:51 pm
Does anybody else remember Teague playing well against CP3 last year?
I mean it was just for a few possessions, but still……….
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
8:52 pm
HAWKS WIN!!HAWKS WIN!!! COME ON JOE TAKE OVER SON!!!!!
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:53 pm
THe only hawks player capable of staying in front or Paul is Teague. I cannot think of any reason why Teague should not be getting minutes. Especially when Jamal is clearly rusty
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
8:53 pm
Marvin can’t throw it in the ocean…………….Brutal…
Byron
December 26th, 2010
8:53 pm
There’s a reason why people complain about L.D. Not everyone is a “hater” because they criticize Drew. People are just pointing out the obvious. Drew makes a lot of mistakes, plain and simple. He’s a rookie coach, maybe he’ll improve as his experience grows, maybe he won’t improve. We don’t know yet, but right now, he is definitely one of the lesser coaches in the league, definitely bottom 10.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
8:56 pm
SUND JUST Quit… We can do a better job on this blog…
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:56 pm
get mo and collins and crawford out of the game
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
8:57 pm
I still dont understand LD’s beef with Teague.
Bailey
December 26th, 2010
8:57 pm
Wow, what is up with the current lineup? I don’t know what happened to L.D. before the game, but he’s really having some issues tonight. Why would you match up Bibby on Paul (or Jack) and Marvin Williams on the 7 ft. Jason Williams? Four perimeter players and a fairly immobile center against a Hornet’s lineup with size, length, and quick guards.That’s a recipe for defeat. I hope L.D. doesn’t stick with this lineup for long. He’s really hurting us with some of these combinations. I’m still wondering what his plan in this one is.
lukas
December 26th, 2010
8:58 pm
Larry Woody has crippled AH in this game.
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
8:58 pm
Take it to the rim. Every time down, take it to the rim.
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
8:59 pm
MC,
The blog wants to know why Teague is not getting any playing time this game!
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:00 pm
Teague has not bought into his motion offense yet. Also he not as good a passer as the other guards.Did I just hear Duck has 18 points??? Come on duck!!! You can do it!!!
O'Brien
December 26th, 2010
9:00 pm
So Bibby played 31 minutes despite going 1-6, and despite the fact that the N.O. PGs have 23 points?
I’m surprised Teague has not gotten any PT though.
And Hawks get outscored 28-16 in the third? Wow.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:01 pm
“Not to mention the fact that Al is team’s best rebounder, most efficient scorer, best post player, statistically, he’s also the best individual post defender, and one of the best mid-range shooter on the team (stat-wise).”
try not to let your emotions towards Al impair your thought process when you when you hurry to his defense. the dialogue was based on having to sit Al w/ 2 fouls vs playing him. my point was that when we have consistent scoring coming from other areas, sitting Al does not hurt you as bad vs. those spells when nobody is making shots and you can go to the reliable pick and pop game. if we’re getting buckets throw in an equally efficient defensive presence in Collins and get stops.
and honestly nobody is afraid of Horford’s shot blocking ability. and he’s looking out muscled vs Emeka in the post. also watch how many boards he lets fly by.. or when he fails to box out his assignment.
Collins causing turnovers as we speak.
stop speaking like a #1 fan and watch the game..
O'Brien
December 26th, 2010
9:01 pm
Hawks kryptonite is the pick and roll.
O'Brien
December 26th, 2010
9:02 pm
Its about time Bibby!
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:02 pm
Hawks are a 5th or 6th seed down the road but it will not matter!! They get their arses handed to them come April….
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:03 pm
No one has bought into the Motion Offense lol
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:04 pm
Al giving Emeka rebounding position.. couldve been a foul.
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
9:05 pm
Jamal with 5 turnovers. If that was Teague, LD would have called timeout and send him to the locker.
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
9:05 pm
jamal is a turnover machine tonight
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:06 pm
“No one has bought into the Motion Offense lol”
Amen….
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:07 pm
Come on JJ!!You can do this…………….
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:09 pm
Hey LD did u know that Bibby cant stick CP3?
And Osh bricks another shot
Najeh Davenpoop
December 26th, 2010
9:09 pm
This looks like a signature Woody game. No offensive rhythm, not many minutes for anyone outside the starters plus Jamal, too much doubling and switching on D.
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
9:09 pm
Since when is there a kick ball on the offensive player?
lukas
December 26th, 2010
9:09 pm
Bigdave,
Is not his lack of shot-blocking abilities that impacts the game at the defensive side, is his INTANGIBLES; like hitting the ball towards a teammate, defending PG because ours can’t, on the ball defense, etc. If he isn’t scaring anyone out there, Twin should be starting and he should be coming from the bench, right?
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:09 pm
boy Bibby you look 50 years old defending Chris.. JOSH STOP SHOOTING!!! PLEASE………….Bench Josh!! Great LD just bench JOSH!!!Great move…
Najeh Davenpoop
December 26th, 2010
9:10 pm
Oh yeah, and they have been getting murdered on the offensive boards in the last few minutes too.
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
9:10 pm
Coaching has lost this game…
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
9:10 pm
game over
Hawks vs Hornets
December 26th, 2010
9:11 pm
a tale of two different games
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
9:11 pm
Slim, Josh goes out who else going to rebound?
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
9:13 pm
complete lack of boxing out has lost this game for the hawks. The rotations or whatever may have contributed, but the awful lack of boxing out has cost the hawks this game.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:13 pm
Hawks down 7 points with 3:41 to go,Yeah its wrap..This is a lousy team…TRADE TRADE TRADE!!
SUND just quit…
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
9:13 pm
Once again, LD has problems leading the team to close out games in the 4th quarter. This is becoming too routine.
Ray
December 26th, 2010
9:13 pm
bigdave,
Again, that analysis shows a lack of basketball knowledge. It’s clear that you are missing the point here. Keep your personal vendettas to yourself. I see no reason to waste my time trying to explain fundamentals to someone who is missing them. I’ll leave you with the fact that defense is not all about shotblocking and maybe you can ponder and that you’ll start to understand things. There are so many principles that you seem to be forgetting that I’m not even going to start getting into them. At any rate, I’m not going to waste any time on a lost cause. If you can’t understand the reasoning, that’s your own problem. I’m just going to ignore your posts from now on.
P.S. – The majority of the time in which Horford was out, L.D. wasn’t using Collins at all. He was using a very small lineup with Smith at Center.
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:13 pm
LD gets an F for this game
stizz
December 26th, 2010
9:15 pm
Loss completely on LD. Leave it to the real squad tomorrow in the Dome.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:15 pm
Hornets just adamant on attacking the basket while we fool around the perimeter.
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
9:16 pm
man i love Joe
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:16 pm
Thank god we got the Falcons
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
9:16 pm
oakafor missed the offensive rebound but again he had position because nobody had a body on him
Carlos
December 26th, 2010
9:16 pm
The Hawks just arent that good.
How many 4th quarters in the last 2-3 years has it been the same story? Hawks bricking jump shots, while the opposing team has guards that drive to the rack for an easy score or free throw attempts from a foul.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:16 pm
“Slim, Josh goes out who else going to rebound?”
Does not matter if you cant score the ball. Josh is a major liability in games like this.When your down 9 with 3mins you have to shut him down!!! Bench his arse….
Josh for Rudy Gay…
RA
December 26th, 2010
9:17 pm
No Carlos, they’re just not that bright. You’re right though, they lose the same game, over and over again for one simple reason. They simply refuse to play their game.
Bailey
December 26th, 2010
9:18 pm
We are getting out-rebounded pretty badly with this small line-up. The lineup is just not sound at all on the defensive end. We are going to have to rely on outscoring New Orleans in order to pull this one out if L.D. sticks with his current lineup/strategy.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:18 pm
Come on JJ!!! U can do this!!! Help the 3 stooges please Son…..
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
9:18 pm
Slim, Horford is shooting just as bad as Josh is tonight, and not doing anything on the boards. The offensive boards (Okafor) is what’s killing the Hawks this quarter, more than offense.
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
9:18 pm
like the effort from Horford
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:19 pm
Ray..
lol. the point that you’re attempting to make.. i never contended. so, you have wasted your time sir. the mere fact that you’re talking about the personnel that was used while Al was benched shows that you lacked understanding of the initial premise..
keep it light.
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:19 pm
Hawks deserve to lose
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
9:19 pm
Tough to rebound when your bigs are on the perimeter trying defend Guards…
Najeh Davenpoop
December 26th, 2010
9:19 pm
CP3.
Game over.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:20 pm
SUND just quit!! Game over,Chris just hit a big shot..OVER…………
Hawks vs Hornets
December 26th, 2010
9:20 pm
just let it end, stop fouling
ATL FAN
December 26th, 2010
9:20 pm
good effort from al and joe tonight, LD lost us the game in the 3rd quarter
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:20 pm
LOL @ the Hawks.
Showing once again that they’re pretenders. And everyone knows Joe is Captain Anti Clutch
Najeh Davenpoop
December 26th, 2010
9:20 pm
If I was a basketball coach, the one thing I absolutely would not tolerate is giving up offensive boards. As a fan if there is one thing that frustrates me more than anything else it is seeing the other team get an offensive board after missing a shot.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:21 pm
tough L here boy..
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
9:21 pm
Why this entire quarter, LD hasn’t attempted to go to a zone defense? You can’t run pick and roll against a zone. And NOH doesn’t have the shooters to beat a zone.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:22 pm
Sund=CAPTAIN CRUNCH
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:23 pm
Keep Hoisting them JOE!!!!!
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:23 pm
LD just etched his name into the top 8 worst coaches in the league
Carlos
December 26th, 2010
9:23 pm
Go ahead and book your tickets!!!
#3 Orlando Magic VS. #6 Atlanta Hawks – -1st Rd. NBA Playoff Action
Ron
December 26th, 2010
9:23 pm
What a disappointing game. It’s like everything went wrong. The players weren’t aggressive, the coaching was horrid, the rotations were awful, the offense had no rhythm or flow, Joe and Jamal played very selfishly, and as is the case in every loss, the Hawks completely went away from what worked. It’s tough to watch games like this. Just a very disheartening performance all the way around tonight. I’m having a tough time thinking of anything positive in this game.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 26th, 2010
9:23 pm
Nice recap of the 2005 draft in this final minute. CP3 hits a clutch jumper; Marvin fumbles a pass out of bounds right underneath the hoop.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:23 pm
Ramon..
they used some zone.. we dont hit the defensive glass well enough to consistently use it..
Rev in Tampa
December 26th, 2010
9:24 pm
Ramon,
That is the comment of the night. I agree. The Hornets can’t shoot.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:24 pm
Hawks will be 7th or 8th seed. Keep up the great work SUND!!! You to LD!!
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:24 pm
And now I just heard Teena Marie Died. Ironic this team shows no Fire or Desire.
R.I.P. Teena
Melvin
December 26th, 2010
9:24 pm
Hawks scored 30pts in the 2nd half… Paul scored 18pts in the 2nd half.
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
9:26 pm
Bigdave, the Hawks don’t defend the pick and roll good enough (or rebound against it) not to goto a zone. A zone is a commitment. Going with a big lineup (speared by Teague and Joe, anchored by Collins, Josh, Horford), and switching to zone would cause a team like this a lot of problems.
Wabe
December 26th, 2010
9:26 pm
Saints/Falcons tomorrow.
The Hawks just continue to frustrate.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:27 pm
on a couple possessions.. i remember giving up an offensive rebound on one..
Clay
December 26th, 2010
9:28 pm
That was the most pathetic 2nd half of basketball I have ever seen. I am livid right now.
Steve
December 26th, 2010
9:28 pm
Please ASG, fire Larry Drew, trade Jamal Crawford, and get us a coach that knows how to utilize the strengths of his players and doesn’t put the team in position to lose again and again. We need a real coach, not some stubborn, pig-headed, preacher wanna-be. We also need more players with mental toughness and maturity, not guys who give up when the going gets tough and only play defense when things are going their way. Enough of the selfishness, lack of heart, lack of accountability, and favoritism. We need to make moves, and it needs to start with getting rid of our awful head coach.
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
9:28 pm
Somebody should tell Kay Jewelers that “Every kiss” actually begins with “E”.
kwooden1
December 26th, 2010
9:28 pm
This is the first game that I really question the coaching. I don’t like the zone and I really don’t like the Bibby/Crawford line-up. Marvin, was hitting is shots and should have played a lot longer. We have to many guys that shoot jumpshots on the court at one time. I will be especially upset if Teague wasn’t sick or something, because he definitely should have played a lot this game. This was a very frustrating game!!
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:29 pm
R.I.P. Teena!
lewis
December 26th, 2010
9:29 pm
doesn’t LD realize the Bibby/Jamal/Joe/Josh/Al lineup is what got Woody fired? IT DOES NOT WORK
FIRE BIBBY
FIRE JAMAL
FIRE LD
HOW CRAZY LD MUST BE TO HAVE MIKE BIBBY AND JAMAL CRAWFORD, THE WORST DEFENSIVE BACKCOURT IN THE NBA TRYING TO GUARD JARRET JACK AND CHRIS FREAKING PAUL
ARE YOU KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW LARRY
where the hell was Teague? I know you hate Teague. But he’s a proven pace changer and man defender.
Josh’s offense is missing in action
stizz
December 26th, 2010
9:29 pm
There’s a reason LD was an assistant for 18 years. Bibby got torched all night, the man is completely useless unless he’s hitting his jumpshot.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:30 pm
Ramon..
i agree.. but i dont know where the offense is coming from w/ that group.
LionHearted
December 26th, 2010
9:31 pm
Someone ask MC if Teague punched LD or made fun of his Suits.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:31 pm
Josh for Rudy Gay
falconhawkshater
December 26th, 2010
9:31 pm
Hey, losers, one bird down, one to go….Hornets rock, Saints will roll over Failcants….redneck losers….
Clyde
December 26th, 2010
9:32 pm
Same Ole Hawks
falconhawkshater
December 26th, 2010
9:32 pm
crickets?? chirp, chirp, rednecks, where is the smack talk now, roddy white lovers???….
jlewis
December 26th, 2010
9:32 pm
Question, in a so called motion offense and you call for JJ to take over, how can he do this without ISO Joe? Al is a jump shooter now, when Joe hit that 3, he wasnt going to pass it. This team has the lowest bball iq of almost any team in the league, with the exception of timberwolves and kings.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:33 pm
Georgia sucks right now.Go JJ!!! Keep hoisting them up…..
falconhawkshater
December 26th, 2010
9:33 pm
Failcants and Hawks = LOSERS!!!
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:35 pm
Hawks lose by 15 tomorrow night!!
Sean
December 26th, 2010
9:35 pm
What bothers me the most is that all of us bloggers can complain and scream until we’re blue in the face, but ASG could care less what we have to say. They aren’t going to get rid of drew, even is he is the worst coach in the NBA, and they aren’t going to make any trades, unless they absolutely have no alternative or the player is demanding a trade. We are stuck with a large group of annoying, passionless players, with only a few good ones on the roster, and a poor excuse for a coach who doesn’t even know how to use the only good players we have. It’s incredibly frustrating to be a fan of the Hawks. I’m usually disappointed or angry for the majority of the time in which the team plays.
J.J.M
December 26th, 2010
9:37 pm
damn I didnt even know they played…been watching lord of the rings
I act like i know what i'm taking about when i really don't.
December 26th, 2010
9:37 pm
I can’t stand Larry Drew, He can’t coach. We need a coach that can control Josh Smith, I don’t know why Josh Smith keeps taking jump shots when he can’t make any, at this point i think we should trade Josh Smith, Maybe for Gerald Wallace or someone else. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ewxbuu
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:37 pm
Come on Joe just go iso on every play!! We need ya!!
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
9:37 pm
Bigdave, the offense would come from the defensive rebounding and outlet. Horford, Josh, and Collins, each are good outlet passers. And as we’ve seen Teague is already a one man fast break. And Josh loves to set up in the corner, with Joe filling the lane. If you’re going to lose games now, it might as well be at the expense of Teague getting experience against the best PGs in the league.
Sautee
December 26th, 2010
9:38 pm
2nd half shot chart:
3rd qtr: 2-5 in the paint, 1-4 mid-range, 2-7 from 3
4th qtr: 3-7 in the paint, 1-5 mid-range, 2-5 from 3
2nd half totals: 5-12 in the paint, 1-9 mid-range, 4-12 from 3.
They had ONE blocked shot, but we kept shooting jumpers. If we are that stubborn, we deserve to lose.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:39 pm
“damn I didnt even know they played…been watching lord of the rings”
Didn’t miss much. Watch em loose tomorrow night on the road again……………Yawn…….
Clyde
December 26th, 2010
9:39 pm
“What bothers me the most is that all of us bloggers can complain and scream until we’re blue in the face, but ASG could care less what we have to say.” – Sean
kwooden1
December 26th, 2010
9:40 pm
Jamal had a very tough game, which happens sometimes, but there’s no way he and Bibby should be on the court at the same time. I know that LD wants to have his two best finishers in the game, but defensively they can’t get stops. Their also useless in terms rebounding.
Even with that said there’s no excuse for Horford and Smith to get used by Okafor and West. They got abused in the 2nd on the boards. Part of the reason is Chris Paul on the pick and roll but I don’t really care! Horford has to get more boards!!
I know they play tomorrow night, but I’m going to let this game go for a while.
R.I.P Teena
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:41 pm
Sund would you just trade Josh Smith yesterday PLEASE!!!!!!!
Sund just quit!!
Sund=Billy Knight(Worst GM in Hawks History)
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:44 pm
LD is Stuttering!!! Something about better shot selection…You thinks?? Josh is the poster child not having a clue about shot selection on this team.Bench his arse in the 4th quarter till he gets it…………………….
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:47 pm
Ramon..
LD just spoke on trying to zone them up to throw them off a bit, and how CP3 pretty much got them out of it..
i cant blame him.. CP puts up 20-10 on on the leagues best zone in Dallas.
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
9:50 pm
Bigdave, what’s a better strategy? A zone that CP can destroy the first line, but still have a second line of defense. Or JC1 and Bibby trying to guard CP3 man on man while doing pick and roll?
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
9:51 pm
Also, LD didn’t try to do it with a quick defensive point guard. I know he didn’t because we only have one on the roster, and he didn’t get any playing time. As I said JC’s offense blinds LD’s vision as a coach for this team.
Ben G.
December 26th, 2010
9:51 pm
Wow, Larry Drew is so damn pathetic. Not once has he ever put any of the blame on himself. No accountability, no knowledge, no business coaching an NBA team. I can’t stand this guy. I didn’t even hate Woody this much and he was here for 6 years.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:52 pm
bibby just retire man.. You lost 12 steps this season……………..
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:54 pm
I bet LD will not last 6 years but neither will Sund..
Ben G.
December 26th, 2010
9:56 pm
slimjr,
Bibby is bad, but you can’t put all of the blame on him. L.D. is the one who chose to play him huge minutes tonight, rather than even giving Teague a chance. People here have said it time and time again, Bibby and Jamal are one of the worst, if not the worst, defensive backcourt in the entire NBA, and playing both of them at the same time is asking for a loss. Not to mention that matchup up your worst perimeter defenders on the other team’s quickest and most effective perimeter players is just plain stupid. I doubt that any other coach would be playing Bibby against chris paul for that many minutes, unless he was the only guard on the roster. Hell, even at that, I’d rather have my frontcourt guard Paul.
bigdave
December 26th, 2010
9:57 pm
thing is though Ramon we dont work on zone defense enough to have much success @ it.
CP3 was doing a deal of damage just taking his man off dribble. no screen needed. defending the pick and roll usually kills us when teams have wing shooters to burn the slowly rotating defense.
Emeka and West killed us off post ups smh.
cp
December 26th, 2010
9:57 pm
Rookie coach or not, other than being a better “offensive” coach I’m really not seeing much difference between LD and Woodrow…Teague had finally began to play better and instead of using his quickness to guard the perimeter he left Bibby and Jamal in there to get smoked. He even used Mo at one point and he was getting torched… The best two perimeter defenders on the bench Teague and Wilkins didn’t even play. Wilkins has been better than Mo since he has been here but lately he isn’t playing for some reason…..LD took out a hot Marvin to put in a cold Josh smh.. Where the hell is this accountability i heard about all summer? What happened to if you dont play defense you sit the bench? No more developing the young guys? Looks like LD has taken a page out of Woodsons book and that is to try to get as many wins as possible and forget the other stuff. It is what it is. I know some people are going to defend LD but man his rotations and decisions and non accountability has hurt in quite a few games already.. You don’t have to be a veteran coach to realize when your guys on the court are not getting it done such as Bibby and Jamal smh
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
9:58 pm
I hear you Ben G. This is going to be a longggg season………….Bring back bad arse Mookie Blaylock
I act like i know what i'm taking about when i really don't.
December 26th, 2010
9:58 pm
REASONS WHY THIS TEAM FRUSTRATES ME.
JOSH SMITH- Likes to play point guard when he can’t control the ball, takes way too many jump shots without making one.
MARVIN WILLIAMS- Is he even part of the team? he has 3 good games every month.
JOE JOHNSON- Overrated, can’t shoot, and stops ball movement.
MIKE BIBBY- Can’t Defend anyone.
MOE EVANS- Straight up sucks.
LARRY DREW- Can’t coach, and doesnt play young Guys.
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
10:00 pm
bigdave “thing is though Ramon we dont work on zone defense enough to have much success @ it.”
Exactly! That’s the problem. We have Bibby and JC1 who sucks on the defensive end, and we don’t even practice much on the defense that will limit their weaknesses the most. The only thing that JC1 is decent at on defense is closing out on shooters. The zone allows him to do that and step in the passing lane effectively.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
10:00 pm
Trade Marvin Williams(Duck) for Candice Parker asap Sund…
Ramon
December 26th, 2010
10:01 pm
I act, Josh had ZERO turnovers tonight. And if the NBA definition of assist was similar to NHL’s, Josh would be the leading assist man on this team easily.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
10:02 pm
Josh Smith= OVERRATED!!!! D-League offensive skills set. Too bad he never learned the fundamentals!!Such a waste of talent in his body…
Bailey
December 26th, 2010
10:03 pm
Well said, cp. I strongly agree with your 9:57 pm post. I’m very disappointed with what I’m seeing from L.D., and the lack of accountability and random rotations really drive me crazy. One thing I’d like to add though, is that even if L.D. is trying to coach to win as many games as possible, what he is doing isn’t going to win many games. The fact that he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again, makes me wonder if he just doesn’t realize that what he is doing isn’t working, or if he just doesn’t know what else to do. At any rate, things need to change.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
10:04 pm
Jersey getting two feet of snow tonight! Wow….
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
10:05 pm
LD=Jim Mora! In way over his head………………………………..
O'Brien
December 26th, 2010
10:15 pm
Same script, different director.
Hawks have 31 points in the second half. And despite Jamal’s 5 turnovers, despite Bibby’s 2-8, despite CP3 and Jack combining for 32 points, Teague did not get any minutes, despite the fact that he played well his last 3 games.
The more and more the season goes, is the more similarities I see with LD and Woody.
Steve
December 26th, 2010
10:16 pm
Honestly, people, I’m curious…can you think of 5 coaches in the league who are worse than Larry Drew? I’m having a tough time coming up with many.
The only coach that I can think of who may be legitimately worse is Kurt Rambis in Minnesota. There are several teams with worse records, but most of those teams have inferior players. The Clippers are an exception since they have a roster loaded with talent, but can never seem to figure out how to use that talent. I can’t put that on Vinnie Del Negro though, since no one has really been able to ever get the clippers going, and Del Negro did a decent job coaching the bulls, given the roster that he had. If you look at the teams below us in the east, it’s tough to find a worse coach.
I’d like to hear some opinions on this, and please don’t throw in the line that L.D. is a rookie coach. I just want to hear who you all think may be worse than L.D.. Remember, I’m talking about active NBA coaches, so there are only 29 active candidates.
slimjr
December 26th, 2010
10:16 pm
“Nice recap of the 2005 draft in this final minute. CP3 hits a clutch jumper; Marvin fumbles a pass out of bounds right underneath the hoop.’
Billy Knight you are a GENIUS!!! Not……………….
Borat
December 26th, 2010
10:18 pm
Pamela, I am no longer attracted to you…NOT!
Borat
December 26th, 2010
10:21 pm
Larry Drew is the leading candidate for coach of the year…
…NOT!
Borat
December 26th, 2010
10:22 pm
I’m so glad that Larry Drew was signed for 2 years…NOT!
SteveW
December 26th, 2010
10:23 pm
Where was Teague? Bad move by LD not playing Teague unless Teague was hurt or something.
Weirdest rotation I think I have ever seen in the 4th quarter from the Hawks. We hadn’t played our bench enough (Wilkens and Teague DNP coaches decision), then we play weird bench combos. LD must have an egg nog hangover.
31 pts in the 2nd half. Must have been outrebounded by a ton in the 4th quarter also.
Ronald
December 26th, 2010
10:30 pm
SteveW,
When you are playing four guards and 1 big man, you are most likely going to get out-rebounded. Also, when your one big in the lineup is guarding the other team’s point guard on the perimeter, you are going to be out-rebounded. That was only one of the issues tonight, also. Larry Drew had the the worst coaching performance (out of all coaches in the league) of the season tonight, as far as I’m concerned, and he wins that award by a landslide.
SteveW
December 26th, 2010
10:31 pm
Hope the Marvin Williams haters begin stepping up. Some said if he put a few games in a row together, they would think there is hope. For his last 16 games, 11 in double figures, including:
26 @ Boston
22 vs. Philly
18 tonite
17 twice
16
15 twice – Once again the Spurs in San Antonio. Now he’s no Chris Paul or DeRon Williams, but is he starting to play a little better? Maybe LD has the key to Marvin. If so, hope he also has the key to ZaZa and Teague, because if he does, now we may have something good going on.
P.S. LD’s master plan – Use Bibby so much he tires out or gets hurt then he has to play Teague. Bibby at 41 minutes tonight, most on the team. Vs. Chris Paul and Jarrett Jack
SteveW
December 26th, 2010
10:35 pm
Ronald – Can’t disagree with you. Horford at 28 minutes? Was he hurt or something. The guys at Hoopinion keep saying Horford is All NBA calibre. They just did a stat comparison between he and Dwight. Al with intangibles is closer to Dwight than many think.
They said every day ATL does not run the offense thru Al Horford is a wasted day by the Hawks franchise. Gotta agree.
Byron
December 26th, 2010
10:39 pm
SteveW,
Nothing good is going on under L.D. He doesn’t have any “key” to Marvin or anyone on the team. The only reason why Marvin is averaging more points lately is due to the fact that he is getting more shot attempts and more touches on the offensive end. This has nothing to do with L.D., it has to do with the fact that Joe and Jamal have not both been active for quite a while, so there are more attempts to go around. Marvin averaged 15 ppg under woody before Jamal arrived. This looks like the same Marvin as before, he’s just not being ignored as much as he was last season and early on this season. L.D. doesn’t have keys, he has locks. He knows how to lock up Horford, Williams, Teague, JC2, and pretty much anyone on the team who isn’t named Jamal or Joe, or who isn’t a jumpshooter. Don’t expect anything out of L.D. The guy is garbage. He’s only hurting the team, not helping. There was been no player development at all under Drew, and the players who have developed are not even used as they should be.
Clyde
December 26th, 2010
10:39 pm
I knew Drew would turn into Woody. What happened to his motion offense?
cp
December 26th, 2010
10:41 pm
” One thing I’d like to add though, is that even if L.D. is trying to coach to win as many games as possible, what he is doing isn’t going to win many games. The fact that he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again, makes me wonder if he just doesn’t realize that what he is doing isn’t working, or if he just doesn’t know what else to do. ”
@Bailey, replace LD’s name with Woodson and you have the same thing from past seasons. Woodson would continue to do the same thing over and over even if it didn’t work and it drove me crazy. Last year in the playoffs during the Magic series Woodson was asked was he going to change anything or do something different and he replied no, that he was going to keep doing what got them there. New coach still no accountability… I just dont understand how Teague and Wilkins get no pt when they had been playing well defensively recently.
Ronald
December 26th, 2010
10:42 pm
SteveW,
Horford wasn’t hurt, L.D. just chose to bench him for the majority of the first quarter again. By the way, I agree with the Hoopinion people as well, and I like the fact that they have hard evidence to back up their claims. There is some good content on that site. By the way, they are not the only ones who see the value in Horford. NBA.com had him in the their last “Race to the MVP” segment. If only L.D. saw the value that he had in Horford.
Ronald
December 26th, 2010
10:43 pm
I meant to say “bench him for the majority of the first half”, not “first quarter” in my last post.
Bailey
December 26th, 2010
10:46 pm
You’re right, cp. The similarities between Woody and L.D. are becoming more and more apparent by the day. I was really hoping that we would get an expeirenced coach that was brand new to our team, that way we would have a different foundation building and not a continuation of what we’ve been frustrated with for years. But, you know what they say, you get what you pay for.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 26th, 2010
10:51 pm
This Team really Sucks!
Aye Sund! Build your damned team.
Aye Drew! Nail Josh’s stankonia AZZ to the paint – where it belongs!
If Josh is not in the paint? Doin’ Work? He is killing this team!
At least, Woodson did do THAT!
Larry Drew
December 26th, 2010
10:57 pm
Goodbye, second place in the southeast division.
Hello, losing streak.
Goodbye, ball movement.
Welcome back, Iso-Joe. Oh, how I’ve missed you.
Welcome to the party, Iso-Jamal.
Nice to meet you, see you later, Damien Wilkins.
Goodbye, Jeff Teague.
Make yourself at home, Mike Bibby.
What are you doing on the court, Al!? Get back on the bench!
How are those street clothes treating you, Jordan Crawford?
…
(5 months later)
…
Goodbye, coaching.
Hello, unemployment.
I act like i know what i'm taking about when i really don't.
December 26th, 2010
10:58 pm
Screw this team, lets start rebuilding already.
I’m tired of having the same team year after year only to see them FAIL.
I act like i know what i'm taking about when i really don't.
December 26th, 2010
11:00 pm
But lets keep Al Horford.
Bailey
December 26th, 2010
11:04 pm
You’re spot on with your comments on Josh, drmaryb. If there was one positive thing that came out of Woodson’s coaching, it was the fact that he actually had Josh playing inside and refraining from taking long jump shots and threes. It’s funny that it took Woodson six years to accomplish that feat, and after all of that work, it took Josh about six minutes to revert back and convince himself that he is Ray Allen.
rusty
December 26th, 2010
11:08 pm
I am finding it hard to blog anymore. I watch every game & read every blog. This is so depressing this guy is dumber than woody, I just cant believe what is happening
Larry Drew
December 26th, 2010
11:15 pm
drmaryb,
Josh has been working on his jump shot over the summer. I want him to take that shot with confidence. I love jump shots. That’s what my system is all about. I need to have as many jumpshooters on the floor at once as I possibly can, as long as their names aren’t Al…I like him to sit on the bench and watch. We just need to get into a rhythm on our jump shots. I need shotmakers in the game, that’s why I play Bibby and Jamal together, they are shot makers. Sometimes, we just miss our jumpshots, but I want us to take more. I want Joe and Jamal to take 20 shots a night, at a minimum, or however many it takes for them to score at least 15 points, and I need Bibby out there to direct traffic by passing the ball to either Joe or Jamal for more jumpshots. I can’t play Teague, he has an ugly jump shot, and sometimes he passes the ball to Al in the post. I hate that. I don’t want Al to get shots, especially not in the post where he shoots at 60+%. A shot for Al is taking away from my other jumpshooters. I Teague sometimes tries to get into the seems of the defense and puts up floaters. Floaters are ugly, I want jump shots, damn it! Damien just doesn’t have the type of jumpshot that I like. I like that smooth shooting stroke. I’m going to start playing Mo more, because he has just the kind of brick-laying jump shot that I used to have when I played. We need to maximize the number of jumpshots that we are taking. Any shot inside of 15 feet is getting my guys a trip to the bench, and if anyone passes the ball to Al, instead of Jamal or Joe, I’m sitting them down. I need to start playing Josh Powell more minutes. I love his jump shot. I’m trying to find just the right combination of players, so that everyone on the floor is shooting jump shots, all of the time.
Down the stretch, you might not see as many players getting jump shots, because I need to turn to my clutch shooters down the stretch. Joe, Jamal, and Bibby are shot makers. I need to Joe to dribble the air out of the ball until he gets into a rhythm.I want him to pull up for a jump shot right before the end of the clock on each possession down the stretch. His jump shot is unbelievable. I dream about it sometimes. Don’t worry if we are struggling, we just need to take more jump shots.
Ben G.
December 26th, 2010
11:18 pm
rusty,
I couldn’t agree more. I feel the same way these days.
Samuel
December 27th, 2010
12:07 am
Woody’s fault.
slimjr
December 27th, 2010
1:38 am
Unfortunately it is too late for Josh to learn how to shoot a “pro” jump shot. His mechanics stink. He never learned when he was growing up. He’s all ready pre-wired, that’s why he looks so awkward when he takes his set shot. Add on top of that he’s not a scorer even though he thinks in his mind he is.Plus he has no handle.His body language says fail every time he faces the basket with his two left feet. Its just brutal to watch a “PRO” who on the offensive side of the ball has not even graduated high school. So he easily gets frustrated because of his severe lack of offensive skills at the pro level..It becomes a major liability at “crunch” time in the 4th quarter. Means your team gets smoke come playoff time…..AGAIN…
slimjr
December 27th, 2010
1:41 am
So Josh is a “James Worthy” without a jumpshot! He need a Magic to set him up. Darren Williams in the 05 draft could been his magic Billy Knight you Genius……Not..
slimjr
December 27th, 2010
1:44 am
Larry start packing dude. It’s gonna be a quickie for you..Keep up the great work Sir..NOT…