Hawks 98, Cavs 84
Greetings, all-
Sorry this is a little late. I wanted to get out of the arena media work room so the poor gents who have to wait on me to leave so they can lock up could get home a little earlier than normal, and then once I got home, I was futzing around a little bit.
Anyway, I confess I don’t have a ton to offer you. We found out about the Atlanta Spirit settlement right after the first quarter, and I spent much of the rest of the game helping out on a story about that, so I didn’t get to watch much of the game itself. I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m asking you to feel sorry for me because I’m not. Just explainin’ is all. It sounds like it was actually a pretty impressive second half.
Anyway, a brief thought on the settlement. I saw some entries on the blog about how this might affect the team. My guess is not much. One point that Bruce Levenson made is that he’s never had a player or coach or any Hawks or Thrashers staff member ask about how the lawsuit was going. It’s not like it was hanging over anyone’s heads, except for those directly involved, I presume.
It’s worth noting that to buy Steve Belkin out, of course, the ownership group had to give him money to go away, so presumably the shoe box with all the cash in it just got lighter. It’s conceivable that with the settlement out of the way, the Spirit group will be better able to attract investors, which they need. However, I think you’ll agree that this doesn’t likely strike most as a terrific investment. Both teams are having trouble drawing despite both performing fairly well.
I guess this would strike the more bold as a great time to invest in that the Thrashers certainly seem like they’re on the way up and the Hawks figure to be competitive for the near term. But, then, there’s a pretty long history of people not buying tickets that you kind of have to get around.
Anyway, on to the game.
Team was very flat to start. Larry Drew said he’d told the team at shootaround and then before the game to be wary of coming out slow. 1) They’d just beaten Orlando. 2) They were at home. 3) Cleveland is very easy to look past. 4) It’s almost Christmas.
Despite all that – or maybe because of it – they were still not into it at all. It picked up a lot in the second quarter, I thought, and then Drew said he talked to the team at the half, and that’s when the game changed.
Obviously, Joe Johnson’s best game since coming back from surgery. He said it was one of his best games of the season, saying he hasn’t felt in rhythm much this season. Drew said he called a lot of plays for him and that Johnson was playing with confidence. I haven’t seen a ton of games, but I can’t recall one in which Johnson had such a height advantage over the guy guarding him.
Didn’t get to talk to Marvin Williams afterwards, but a great game, evidently. Perhaps the not starting really did get under his skin. I’ll say this — he invariably is in a good mood and has a good attitude so I was a little surprised at how much not starting Monday bothered him. If that was the bee in his bonnet tonight, maybe it’s a stick that Larry Drew can use with him. As for how often he’d go with Jason Collins at 5, I’m not sure, but I imagine it’d be every time they play someone with a dominant center.
Some Drew quotes:
“We tried to exploit some mismatches that we thought were to our advantage. That’s the way we have to play. That’s the way we want to play. As I told the guys, we have enough play sets that we can get into different things where teams can’t lock in on us. Certainly, when you see what you think is an advantageous matchup you’ve got to go right to it and that’s what we did tonight.”
On the second half:
“Didn’t do a whole lot as far as any type of adjustments, but what we did was I thought we did thing sa lot harder we were fighting through screens a lot harder. We were making a conscious effort of boxing out. We were pushing the basketball off the boards and when we got out there and started running, that’s when we were at our best.”
From reading the game thread — I really wish I’d heard “dagger in the coffin.” Thanks for sharing that.
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Rufus1
December 23rd, 2010
3:36 pm
@Rod
I said no one can stop LBJ.
Marvin has earned his money, he makes 7.5mil to be the teams #1 wing defender and give about 12pts and 5rebs a game.
I have no doubt that when Iggy, Gay and Grainger played against Marvin this year, he shut them down. those kind of defensive efforts are for more important to me…..than taking 15 shot to score 15pts.
northcyde
December 23rd, 2010
3:42 pm
As for Marvin, I do give him credit for stepping up and playing better with JJ and Jamal missing time this month. What he’s done this month, is start making shots early on in a game, like he used to.
But with Marvin, he simply has to make his mark on a game . . period. He can’t be a complete non-factor, like he’s prone to do sometimes. If the shot is off, play lockdown defense . . or really crash the boards. Just be a factor.
Don’t give people a reason to call you “invisible”.
hawkfan
December 23rd, 2010
4:08 pm
*on a side note: is Blake Griffin going to be in this year’s SLAM DUNK CONTEST? definitely will be a treat!
Rev in Tampa
December 23rd, 2010
4:13 pm
*it all depends on where the ‘is’ is*
hawkfan,
are you making a statement or asking a question?
Rev in Tampa
December 23rd, 2010
4:15 pm
Sorry, hawkfan, I understand now.
By the way, who chooses who will be in the dunk contest? Do the contestants have to apply or audition? When are they chosen?
Rod from College Park
December 23rd, 2010
4:19 pm
“Marvin has earned his money, he makes 7.5mil to be the teams #1 wing defender and give about 12pts and 5rebs a game.”
He’s not the teams #1 wing defender again, never has been. When he was resigned by Sund, Sund stated he expected more out of Marvin. If you think 12 and 5 is ok, when you are left unguarded, and guarded by smaller players constantly, then that’s you. I would expect more. Can’t be put into numbers. He needs to take the #1 wing defender role from JJ and Josh, and make it his, he needs to develop some sort of post game with his size and length, needs to rebound better if we stay with the Josh, Horford, Marvin front line, he is just as big as Josh, and maybe an inch shorter than Horford, with bigger wingspan than both, and he needs to knock down open shots. The key word is CONSISTENT.
Fundamentals
December 23rd, 2010
4:24 pm
Watching Chills amazes me. He had a perfect role here, he fit, but he thought he was so much more. Now he can’t even see the court. We signed another kid, gave him Chill’s number, w/o knowing that he too had an ego larger than his talent. Sad thing is he still gets minutes here in ATL, when he wouldn’t elsewhere. Is it the jersey that gives them the ego in ATL? Would it be better to have Childress or Mo or neither? Just thinking out loud? How bout you?
Fundamentals
December 23rd, 2010
4:27 pm
Rod,
Marvin has the body to almost bang with any PF, but he can’t overpower a SF? He’s too slow to beat SF off the dribble. He’s not a lockdown defender? He can’t rebound effectively at 6′9″. He’s just now starting to hit shots. He’s not making his 7.5 mil. Its sad that any contribution from him almost guarantees a win. Imagine what this team would look like if “it was not a bad pick” was even 10% right about Marvin.
The kid is progressing…finally…but who will he become? Mr Invisible round 7 or Super Glue?
Rod from College Park
December 23rd, 2010
4:49 pm
Fundamentals,
As much as people say I hate on him, I would be estatic if the guy continued to play like he has played recently, but history tells me he won’t. It’s very hard to change your personality. Marvin does not have, what we used to call in College Park, that Killa. It’s what makes Kobe who he is, and makes most of the stars in the league who they are. It’s the desire to be the best, or to step on a guys throat when he’s down. Plus he is clumsy, and goofy. Never seen a great basketball player with both traits. I am a betting man, so my bet would be Mr. Invisible.
terrell
December 23rd, 2010
4:52 pm
Northcyde, I said a better product, not this same ole up and down team we’ve been watching for 6 years. And I dare you compare this group to the Spurs. They’ve got 2nd rdrs and undrafted guys tearin it up EVERY YEAR. We cant get out of the 1st rd with all 1st rd picks. No comparison there. And the Spurs win when it matters. And even if they lose, they play hard. None of that “we just didnt have the energy and effort out there tonight shizz”. Hell, I’d go to the Spurs game just to watch Pop outcoach somebody. Think I’m buying tickets to watch LD coach? Come on now. Not sayin we should blow the team up, but we need to make a trade. Do something. Make us believe they’re commited to winning. Just bring some excitement in here, and then maybe I’ll put down my remote. The ownership issue is solved. Now do something. Beating a few contenders might help too. This group just looks like their damm near maxed out. I love me some Hawks, dont get me wrong, but I wanna see a Championship before I’m dead and gone. lol!
RLP
December 23rd, 2010
4:54 pm
More fuel for the fire:
Compare Marvin’s numbers to Lamar Odum for their careers:
MPG -
Marvin 31.3
Lamar 35.9
FG% -
Marvin .453
Lamar .467
PPG
Marvin – 11.9
Lamar – 14.7
RB -
Marvin – 5.4
Lamar – 2.0
Height -
Marvin – 6′9”
Lamar – 6′10”
Current Salary -
Lamar – $8.2/yr
Marvin – $7.2/yr
LeBroom
December 23rd, 2010
4:58 pm
Let’s go San Antonio, take down Orlando tonight and give the Hawks some breathing room in the southeast division. I’d like the Suns to defeat the Heat also, but that is highly unlikely, so I’m not even going to get my hopes up on that.
terrell
December 23rd, 2010
5:00 pm
Lets see: Marvin or Lamar Odom? lol! NUMBERS LIE!
L-QUE
December 23rd, 2010
5:11 pm
RUFUS1 – I have to agree with you i watch Marvin hold Lebron down last year when he was in Cleveland as did Twin with Shag, we as bloggers can hope for all the players we like to come to Atlanta ,most wont solve our problem.Very few teams feature inside scoring to win ,BOSTON, MIAMI dont, they are good with any contribution from inside Atlanta needs back court scoring.JOSH&MARVIN are hybrid players, they can play the 3-4-5 spots like LEBRON,ODOM and a few other players, I long to see ATL bring in a scoring point, ascoring 2 this with the money we already paying JC1 he wants to go to NY or NJ we can sure us D HARRIS
Anthony
December 23rd, 2010
5:20 pm
I read these debates on Marvin and notice so many arguments about how Marvin doesn’t produce enough. I’m not defending Marvin, by any means, but you have to keep in mind that what you are asking for coming with a cost. On the defensive end, Marvin is pretty solid as it is, so I’m guessing you are mainly complaining about him not producing on the offensive end. For Marvin to average around 15 ppg or so, he would need more shot attempts. We already have 2 guys on this team (Joe and Jamal), who together consume about 30 of the team’s field goal attempts (maybe more depending on the situation), on any given night. When you factor in that Josh also takes about 12 shots per game, or more, depending on whether or not his mind is in the game on that night. That’s a large majority of the shots for the entire team. If Marvin were to increase his shot attempts, then that most likely means less shots for Al, which is something that most of us would hate to see. People have been complaining about Horford being underutilized for years, and that would only get worse if Marvin was given a larger role in the offense.
For Marvin to really excel, I do think that he needs a larger role and more pressure on him, but with the way the team is constructed as is, I don’t really expect much out of him aside from solid defense and the ability to hit open shots when he is called upon. For his salary, that is obviously not much to ask, but it is ownership’s fault that he is paid what he is being paid, and not Marvin’s fault.
I really think that it would be best for the team if Jamal were to be traded for a quality point-guarded with a well-rounded skill set, not just someone who can hit open shots and direct traffic (Bibby), or someone who has the physical ability to be a great defender, but has no shooting stroke at all (Teague). A point guard like that would be someone tough to find, unless New Jersey wants to give up Devin Harris for a streaky scorer, but you never know.
At any rate, I think that both Teague and Marvin would increase their production with Jamal out of the mix, and I also think that the offense would be more fluid as well. I have nothing against Jamal, but I don’t really feel like this is the best system for him. He plays best when he is given offensive freedom, and in a structured system, you take some of his strengths away from him by prohibiting him from having that freedom. Also, if you allow Jamal to play to his strengths, it can hurt the flow of the offense as we have seen on numerous occasions.
Not to mention the fact that Bibby and Jamal on the floor at the same time is a nightmare for us on the defensive end. We already have enough issues with Bibby trying to guard elite perimeter players, and we don’t need to compound that problem even more. Also, since we likely won’t be able to trade Bibby anytime soon, Jamal is the best candidate for a trade. He’s the one key player that is most easily replaced. He brings scoring, but we can replace his scoring with other guys on the team stepping up. Horford continues to really step it up on the offensive end, Marvin is showing signs of life without Jamal, Teague is starting to gain some confidence, and we have a guy who almost appears to be a clone of Jamal sitting in street clothes on our bench (Jordan Crawford).
Atlanta could free up some salary space without Jamal, as well, by not having to commit to another heavy contract which it appears that Jamal is requesting. I’m not sure of exactly what we will get in return for Jamal, but there is definitely interest in him out there. That’s my take on the matter.
slimjr
December 23rd, 2010
5:27 pm
“If the Hawks played like the Spurs, and won like them, it still wouldn’t be an exciting enough product in ATL.”
But the point is if the Hawks played like the Spurs, they would have four Championships and packed houses every night. I could put up with Duck then. I would spend my money and go down to Phillips.What a beautiful dream! Snap outta it SLIMJR!!!!
SUND=KNIGHT
It was not a bad pick
December 23rd, 2010
5:29 pm
Rod from College Park
“Don’t you think if your boy Marvin was that good, that he teamates would find him, just like they did Flip, and Jamal, and like they do Joe”?
You and I both know Woody called iso plays for those guys..Do you remember Mike Woodson? Marvin was drafted #2 the same year we traded for Joe Max..He has never ever been able to get touches with ball hogs like flip,Jamal, and Max…When ever one of those guys have been hurt, Marvin always steps up..So that means if we get the ball in his hands, he will produce..i have never seen a team draft a guy #2 and waste him for a solid player at best (Max)..Everyone else go stand in a corner and hope for the ball..
northcyde
December 23rd, 2010
6:00 pm
Terrell . . if people couldn’t get excited about last year’s team, a team that beat everybody at home except Oklahoma City and Dallas ( and only lost 7 home games ), then I question that people can gey excited about anything.
I’ve gone round and round about this topic on 3 different Hawk sites. And the main thing I’ve seen over the years is that some Hawk fans simply find reasons to NOT go to games, instead of finding reasons TO go to the games.
If it’s not the Hawks not having a superstar, it’s because the Hawks are “boring”
If boring isn’t the reason, it’s traffic . . or start times . . or hatred for the ownership . . or ticket prices . . or their playing a sorry team . . or whatever thing people want to come up with to justify them not going to the game.
But what about going to the game because the Hawks are supposed to be your favorite team? What about going to the games so that you can see for yourself what goes on that the TV cameras don’t show you? What about going to the games just to get the feel of being at a live NBA game?
That’s why I literally drive 600 miles round trip to see the Hawks. Watching on Sportsouth is fine, but nothing beats the live in game experience. Even emotionally, being at the game is much better than seeing it on TV.
Ownership has failed true enough to bring in better, more exciting, or more big name players to get people more psyched about the Hawks.
But at the end of the day, it’s simply up to the individual if they want to go to the game or not. You either make plans to go . . or you don’t.
Rod from College Park
December 23rd, 2010
6:10 pm
It was not a bad pick,
Not arguing about the is offense, I agree. My question is, if Marvin was as good as you say he is, do you honestly think that any coach would allow Flip Murray and Jamal Crawford to take shots from him. Horford’s shot attempts have continued to go up, so why do Marvin’s drop? I’ll answer the question for you, in practice he does not show that he can score, he does not do it in games either, so any coach with any common sense would let the better players take the shots. Those better players include, Joe, Flip, Josh Horford, Jamal and Bibby.
Rod from College Park
December 23rd, 2010
6:11 pm
iso
northcyde
December 23rd, 2010
6:51 pm
I do agree with Rod on that point. Regardless if Jamal and Flip were brought here, if Marvin was a consistent baller, they wouldn’t have taken many shots from him.
Too many times, Woody and now LD, has opted to finish games with Marvin on the bench, mainly because of his inactive and erratic play. But I think the mistake that both coaches made, is that we’re almost better off playing an inactive Marvin ( if he’s playing solid defense ) . . than to play a cold Jamal.
But it’s Marvin’s fault that both coaches looked toward others to close out games.
eastlaketb
December 23rd, 2010
7:17 pm
im still not sold on marvin. i wanna see how he plays the next 4 to 5 games.Slimjr_i feel you on your post Candice Parker for marvin.lol!
Fundamentals
December 23rd, 2010
7:23 pm
Amen guys. If you can’t command the ball enough to get shots and Flip Murray takes them from you – you can’t ball. Also, if the coach is willing to put a total defensive liability in during clutch moments – you can’t ball. When you’re this far in your career and people are still hoping you’ll at least contribute – you can’t ball.
Dude’s gotta be consistent or he’s done.
I guess Shelden finally has a niche in Denver, but AC, Royal, Solomon, Chills, ect are still trying to prove they can ball, but, they can’t.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 23rd, 2010
8:26 pm
Marvin has played well the last five games. Good for him. All this means is that his trade value is higher and the Hawks should strike while the iron is hot.
I’m done waiting on him. Ship his azz out. They are going to need to get him off the books in a couple of years to have the cap space to make a run at Dwight Howard anyway.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 23rd, 2010
8:29 pm
“But what about going to the game because the Hawks are supposed to be your favorite team? What about going to the games so that you can see for yourself what goes on that the TV cameras don’t show you? What about going to the games just to get the feel of being at a live NBA game?”
The percentage of die hard fans like you at any sporting event is generally going to be less than half. The majority of people at any sporting event in most cities are casual fans who jump on the bandwagon when the team is doing well and/or is interesting.
In order for casual fans in Atlanta to jump on the Hawks bandwagon — like they did for the Falcons when Vick was here, and are doing again now that they have the league’s best record — the Hawks either have to be legitimate title contenders, acquire a legitimate superstar, or preferably both. Right now the Hawks are not legit title contenders nor do they have a legit superstar.
Ramon
December 23rd, 2010
8:34 pm
RLP, Lamar Odom averages 9.0 reb a game for his career.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 23rd, 2010
8:34 pm
“If the Hawks played like the Spurs, and won like them, it still wouldn’t be an exciting enough product in ATL.”
If the Hawks were year in year out title contenders like the Spurs, of course they would sell out the place. It’s not like the Falcons are some big play, highlight producing team. They are like the NFL version of the Spurs, methodically grinding their way to victories, and fans are showing up to watch them. Unlike the Hawks, though, the Falcons have a legitimate shot at a Super Bowl victory either now or in the near future.
Rufus1
December 23rd, 2010
8:42 pm
Woodson didn’t run an offense…
Woodson let the team play street ball, players like Jamal and Flip thrive in situations like that. It is no suprise Flip and Jamal had 2 of their best season’s under Woody. Marvin doesn’t dribble well enough to thrive in that system…..Flip out of the league….Woodson out of the league.
The simple fact this year is LD has been calling plays for Marvin, playing to his strengths…its called coaching…you don’t just roll a ball on the court and say play.( I.E, Boston Game..Ray Allen had no points in the 1st half, Doc called multiple plays for Ray)
LD’s offense has already shown to improve Marvins play and this is his 1st year…..
PS. Food for thought….Jamal makes as much as Monta Ellis….Wait for it..Wait for it….and still thinks he worth that much.
LD’s offense has
Boooo!
December 23rd, 2010
8:44 pm
Lets be honest here guys. Marvin is a wuss. He passes up open shots because he is SCARED to shoot them. You know this. Teague passes up open shots because he can do other things even if he’s not a great shoter. MARVIN DUCK Williams has no excuse for being such a pansy. He plays scared. Flip and ‘mal get those shots BECAUSE THEY TAKE THOSE SHOTS. Marvin passes them up.
Marvin, Mo, and Zaza for Iggy
prison mike
December 23rd, 2010
8:47 pm
For such a huge butt, marv doesn’t hold position in the post well. I’ve seen enough of guys running over him to deflect and steal the entry pass…
The greatest hope is to work his trade value up and trade him to a franchise desperate for any type of young talent, like toronto or charlotte.
prison mike
December 23rd, 2010
9:17 pm
Marvin’s numbers are essentially all the same across the board as last years when he was terrible. Captain Jack is 32 but I’m pretty sure Jordan would trade him for marv and mo.
Bibby
Joe
Captain Jack
Josh
Al
hawkfan
December 23rd, 2010
10:02 pm
um, after seeing this magic-spurs game, we might just need to change things up around here and get some trades going because there is no way we stand a chance with this new look magic team, boston, bulls, or heat, and it’s surprising how much orlando is running throughout the game and got more athletic while we have athleticism but do not run as much at all, i see us being behind orlando in standings really soon if we don’t change at all, GO HAWKS!!!
D'Andre
December 23rd, 2010
10:11 pm
Tyrone, where is Booboo at now? Where’s the notorious trade rumor that you were so excited to tell us about last week? Looks like it was just another bit of hype to get the fans’ hopes up.
Grandad
December 23rd, 2010
10:18 pm
Rufus1 @ 8:42 pm ->Great post
Mary Ellen;
I take ~hot~ showers to cool me down!
Fundamentals & Ken Strickland;
sorry I didn’t get back to you yesterday!
I do not remember your questions? (old age)
The thing I remember is:
I wish to keep Jamal if @ all possible.
Oh yeah…Fundamentals;
Yes, I’m still high on A.Ajinca.
*Mo & JC2
would get
*A Ajinca & JJ Barea.
Salaries work and I like that trade.
Barea super @ the pick & roll. (terrific playmaker)
Aaron
December 23rd, 2010
10:22 pm
hawkfan,
Don’t let the Spurs-Magic game fool you. Wait a little longer to see how the Spurs play against other quality opponents before judging them. The Spurs are playing terrible tonight, definitely not one of their best games. Also, I think that the Hawks match up very well with the new-look magic, as was apparent during Monday night’s game. At this point, it’s arguable that the Hawks create more mismatches for the Magic than vice versa. As far as the Heat go, the Hawks match up with them as well as anyone in the league. The Celtics create problems, there’s no doubt about that, but that is mainly due to the fact that they have some very quick perimeter players, which always causes us problems. Additionally, they have tons of size to throw at us. Their size is an issue for just about any team though. To bring up the Bulls is kind of a joke at this point. They are playing pretty well, but we have yet to even see how the Hawks play against them yet. In the past, the Hawks really had no issues with them outside of guarding rose. Boozer is a good addition, but we have guys like Horford who I think match up extremely well with him defensively.
Just because certain teams get a lot of media attention and favoritism, it doesn’t mean that they are immediate contenders or should be feared. At this point, the Celtics are the only team in the east who can legitimately say that they are a true contender. They have proven that time and time again and deserve the respect of every team in the league. The Heat will be great during the regular season, but they have yet to prove that they are capable of defeating the upper echelon teams like Boston, L.A., Dallas, San Antonio, or even Orlando. Orlando is also still in a developing phase after the trade, so we can’t quite get an accurate guage on their ability yet either.
I’m all for the Hawks looking to make a trade to improve further if the opportunity is there, but not because of Orlando, Miami, or Chicago, especially not Chicago.
Aaron
December 23rd, 2010
10:27 pm
Correction on the second sentence in my last post: I meant to say “Wait a little longer to see how the Magic play against other quality opponents…”.
O'Brien
December 23rd, 2010
10:34 pm
When Chills was here, he would finish games instead of Marvin, despite the fact that Marvin was averaging 13 and 6 or close to it.
Why? because Chills would find ways to impact a game. he would help bring the ball up, he would get a key offensive rebound, and although his jump shot was ugly, if he was open, he would make it.
Marvin, tends to disappear in and out. I remember one game earlier in the season (I think it was against Boston) where Jamal was cold as ice, and he had numerous turnovers. But yet LD stuck with Jamal down the stretch, instead of playing Marvin.
And its not like LD’s sets are street ball/ISOs like Woody. But he usually goes with Jamal too. That tells me that Marvin is not consistent enough for them to stick with him.
However, he has been playing well of late, and I hope it continues.
Najeh,
If Marvin continues to play well, Hawks are going to say he is definitely a keeper.
O'Brien
December 23rd, 2010
10:37 pm
Somebody was wondering if Smoove and Shaq could co-exist. This is from ajc.com;
The Hawks also lack size among their rotation players. Smith said the Hawks would have been better with 7-foot-1 center Shaquille O’Neal, who considered signing with them as a free agent last summer before joining the Celtics.
“He’s not a guy that is going to play five more years, but he still can help you right now,” Smith said. .
slimjr
December 23rd, 2010
10:53 pm
SUND are you reading???? Your squad is fixin to get smoked in the 2011 playoffs again for the 3rd time dude. You better step up and make some moves or you’ll be packing a suit case real soon we fans hope!!!
Marvin for Candice Parker….
RLP
December 23rd, 2010
11:03 pm
Ramon -
Thanks for the correction. I took the number I got from his career offensive rebound average. Actually I am surprised to find anyone checked that closely. I am happy that you did.
O'Brien
December 23rd, 2010
11:08 pm
From hoopshype.com;
Brian T. Smith: Hawks small forward Pape Sy, 53rd overall pick of 2010 NBA Draft, expected to join D-League’s Utah Flash on Monday. Twitter .
Why did it take so long for the Hawks to send him to the D-League, I dont understand.
O'Brien
December 23rd, 2010
11:09 pm
Also from hoopshype.com;
Adrian Wojnarowski: Charles Oakley has officially joined Paul Silas’ coaching staff with the Bobcats, league sources tell Y! Sports. Twitter .
I didnt know Oakley wanted into coaching.
Grandad
December 23rd, 2010
11:19 pm
O’Brien
He’s Jordan’s bodyguard.
Already being paid.
Probably there to whup some butt. [B-cat players]
Silas can probably still take most of ‘em.
O'Brien
December 23rd, 2010
11:20 pm
The struggling Magic blow out the red hot Spurs tonight
SteveW
December 23rd, 2010
11:41 pm
O’Brien – That quote was not from Josh Smith, but Steve? Smith that used to be with the Hawks.
Sy has been rehabilitating his back, so he couldn’t go to D League until healed.
Grandad
December 23rd, 2010
11:53 pm
LeBron is officially a self centered, egomaniacal idiot.
Who lets him loose in front of the media with the idea he
has enough wisdom to have an opinion. *[his homily on contraction]
Actually saying Minnesota & NJ should be contracted so
K.Love, Lopez & D.harris could play elsewhere. *(espn)
Read the article, I’m sure he’s a villain in those cities now!
He continues to open his mouth and out jumps an Ass-Clown.
SteveW
December 24th, 2010
12:08 am
Spurs playing a back to back with Christmas around the corner, I wouldn’t read to much into it. The Bucks blew out the Lakers in LA this week also.
But I do think the Magic will be really good – how can you not with that lineup?
And Ryan Anderson was back tonight. As thin as the Magic are up front now, he makes all the difference in the world.
SteveW
December 24th, 2010
12:15 am
If there are no trades, next season the Hawks will look like this:
C- Horford, ZaZa
PF – Smoove
SF – Marvin, Sy, and maybe Wilkens
SG – JJ and JC2
PG – Bibby and Teague
That’s 10 spots if you count Wilkens, who I hope the Hawks keep. He’s a vet minimum guy who really helps. We will probably draft a big, a PF or a C if available. That will be 11. Then sign 2 more bigs, and maybe even choose between Collins, Powell and Etan again, who knows.
Solid, exciting team if you ask me.
Teague, Marvin, ZaZa and then JC2 will be the keys to the team.
Our future probably ultimately rests with Teague, and we have invested alot into him. He’s only going to get better (hopefully), and the guys got plenty of upside.
SteveW
December 24th, 2010
12:17 am
As far as bigs go for next season, I wouldn’t mind Siler as a 3rd C and Solomon Jones as a backup PF. I saw Solo in Indy recently, and was highly impressed. His stats stink though
bigdave
December 24th, 2010
12:19 am
i actually like the queens idea.. 24 teams ;12 teams in each conference.
possibly 3 all-stars on 1 team.. possibly a superstar. solid benches and role players. 1 and done bust dont hurt as bad. shorter seasons, games increase in value..
it would give you that 90’s NBA feel (nba on nbc jingle playing in my head)
Hornets (already rumored gone; city can only support ‘aints).. Raptors(its Canada hockey reigns supreme, T-dot can support Knicks)…Clippers (Lakers wear Favorite son tee to every California family function; not to mention we think our mgt is bad) Bobcats (College Town)…Nets (already out the door)… T’wolves (twin cities have good fan bases, but hey if the Lakers and rumored Vikings can leave so can these young pups ); axe em..