Atlanta Hawks: Nets 89, Hawks 82

Devin and the Nets broke down the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Devin and the Nets broke down the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Newark, N.J.–The Nets a) are 2-1 against the Hawks and 6-19 against the rest of the league and b) have a penetrating point guard, a big post presence and a coach who gets them to play a scrappy defensive style. A and B are closely related.

  • “This is the type of defense we’ve been playing but we just haven’t been able to score,” Avery Johnson said. “We only scored 89 points tonight but it was seven more than our opponents.”
  • The Hawks got 30 of those points in the first quarter. They started off the game passing the ball around with ease and making lots of shots but then the Nets turned up their pressure. They wouldn’t let the Hawks catch it clean in the post and chased them away from rhythm shots on the perimeter.
  • The Hawks didn’t make of those things very difficult for New Jersey. Their entry passes to the post were poor and they were content to shoot lots of jump shots and fade away from the basket instead of go hard at it. Two plays in particular stood out in my mind to illustrate how the Hawks’ passiveness did them in.
  • One time Al had Vujacic guarding him and started to back him down. Troy Murphy offered some token help, then retreated. It’s a situation where it’s hard to think Al wouldn’t at least end up with a foul. Instead, he pulled up for a jump shot and missed
  • Another time, Murphy ended up guarding J.J. near the top of the key. Joe dribbled, juked a couple times, then threw up a long jump shot while fading away. He missed.
  • The Hawks attempted 74 shots. Only 27 were from the painted area.
  • “A lot of jumpers,” L.D. said. “We were looking to get more in the paint. We tried to post and they were coming on the double team, which we were already prepared for. That was a situation where we were settling from the outside when we should have tried to put the ball on the floor more to get more drive-and-kick situations. We had some open looks and they just didn’t fall tonight.”
  • Joe made four of his first eight shots, then missed his next eight. He looked uncertain for much of the second half and said he’s still rusty. “It’s not going to come back overnight,” he said. “I just have to take my time. “
  • “It will probably take another game or two for him to get into a rhythm,” L.D. said. “Early he was explosive and really making some nice plays. He kind of got cold again and couldn’t get it going again.”
  • When winning time arrived, the Nets did to the Hawks what any team with competent pick-and-roll guards can do: Get dribble penetration then take advantage when the defense scrambles. Good shots usually will be available against the Hawks in those situations and then it becomes a matter of making them. The Nets made enough to win.
  • “They were running the same plays and it took us a while to catch on to them,” Bibby said. “They were running pick-and-rolls, getting mismatches, spreading us out.”
  • Atlanta was down 74-70 when Josh was forced to hack Lopez, picking up his fifth foul. Smoove played less than a minute in the first quarter before picking up his second foul. He finished with just 26 minutes and had three blocks. When he wasn’t out there cleaning things up in the back it’s no surprise that New Jersey found it much easier to score on drives and post-ups.
  • After Lopez made those free throws for a 76-70 lead, here’s what Atlanta’s next 11 possessions looked like: J.J. travel . . . Collins foul . . . Al misses a fading runner across lane (he wanted a foul). . . J.J. missed corner 3 . . .Bibby made 3. . .Al’s miss over Vujacic . . . Marvin miss . . . Marvin made 3 . . .Josh made 3. . . . Horford made free throws . . . Bibby missed a rushed 3.
  • “In the first quarter, we had good ball movement,” J.J. said. “We were getting into the teeth of the defense and making the game easy. After that, for whatever reason, we stopped doing that.”
  • Bibby, among the least turnover-prone guards in the league, had five today. He had three brutal miscues in the second quarter, twice throwing it away while trying to feed the post and another time when the Hawks had a chance to get off another shot near the end of the half.
  • The Hawks had two turnovers in the first quarter, 14 over the final three. It’s not even that the Nets were taking all those turnovers and scoring–they had just nine points off the 16 turnovers. It’s just that the Hawks needed all the possessions they could get.
  • “It’s frustrating,” Drew said. “What’s even more frustrating is they are unforced turnovers, just coming down and making bad decisions on when to deliver the ball. When you are on the road, you have got to be more selective. You can’t have the high-risk plays, the high-risk passes.”
  • Without all those turnovers and thus more possessions the Hawks probably win. Consider that they had 12 assists on the 15 shots (out of 52 attempts) they had over the final three quarters.
  • The Hawks got nothing from their bench with Jamal out. Just two points after halftime for the reserves. Two rebounds in 13 minutes each for Twin and Josh Powell. Teague never could get the offense going and played just three minutes after halftime. Zaza played two minutes total and had two turnovers.

Michael Cunningham

208 comments Add your comment

O'Brien

December 20th, 2010
6:42 pm

Ramon,

I think Marvin is a good defender. However, I agree with the rest of your post.

Bibby should have been given a 2 year deal (not 3). they should hav e let Marvin test the market (like they did with chills and Josh), or do not give him more than MLE money, or make his deal 4 years with a team option.

Instead, they gave him a 5th year player option, for $7.5 mil per year. I don’t think zaza’s deal is a bad deal. Its just that he is not what the hawks need as a backup. We need more physicality, while zaza gives more fouls.

L-QUE

December 20th, 2010
7:01 pm

ATLANTA needs scoring the point guard, smallforward ,ATLANTA also need a coach, M.ELLIS and J. WALLACE can make JOSH,AL,and JOE superstars by helping take the scoring load away from our bigs OLANDO is the only team that depends on their big to carry the scoring load thats why LEWIS,CARTER,AND THE BOYS ARE GONE. for more scoring,more rebounding ORLANDO didnt bring in defensive players but scorers GILBERT, RICHARDSON, rebounding with EARL,HEDO just a coach favorite

drmaryb (*_*)

December 20th, 2010
7:07 pm

Play Ball!

Fundamentals

Where did you hear that Joe rushed back to soon & is still playing in pain?
Why shouldn’t he return if he’s putting up 200 jumpers per day pain-free?
I heard from Ken Sigura that he shot 50 threes and only missed 5 at shoot around, the day before he returned.

Why does there have to some Fan Conspiracy Theory to explain his return?
Why can’t it be that Joe was just ready to play and contribute?

Where is the logic? (As Ken S. Would Ask?)

hawkfan

December 20th, 2010
7:07 pm

what? what? marvin not starting, jeje finally getting the wish, let’s see how this goes

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

December 20th, 2010
7:21 pm

Ramon…Lebron’s first instinct might be to pass and yea he does get favorable treatment from the refs…….but if a dude can get me 27.7 points per game over his career and he isnt a natural scorer…then 99.999999% of the league must not be natural scorers.
Jamal Crawford and several other guys around the league are “natural” scorers…..yet at the end of the night, the “unnatural” scorer Lebron is puttin up more points. I’ll take LBJ.

The dude can get to the rim as good as anyone on a drive, he can finish, and his jump shot is decent enough.

IMO, I just dont think Lebron would be a name to bring up in regards to what I said about smoove.

No matter how you look at it, Lebron is much more of a scorer
than Josh Smith. Natural Scorer or not.

But enough about LBJ. I dont even really like that dude, just telling it like I think it is.

Back to the Hawks and J. Smoove….

Smoove cant handle the rock, has limited post moves (throws up alot of wild shots because of it), just recently somewhat discovered a jumpshot (Improved, but I need a little more time to be sold)
and he forces things on offense too much.

Because of that, I’m not comfortable depending on J. Smoove from an offensive scoring standpoint. Just as a passer, and on defense.

We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree on Smoove and LBJ until he shows me differently.

Rev in Tampa

December 20th, 2010
7:22 pm

new blog up for the magic game. See you all there…

drmaryb (*_*)

December 20th, 2010
7:37 pm

Fundamentals

Hell Yeah! Every Game Counts … Are you kidding me? The competition in the
NBA is fierce and conference standings determine:

Home Court Advantage
Strength of Opponent (esp in Round 1)

Joe needs to play ALL 82 Games for 48 Minutes if healthy.

In response to Fundamentals who said this:

“If Joe is really worried about the TEAM he should get 100%, pass the ball when he’s off, not shoot 3’s till he’s back and focus on wins. I’m glad he appears rested and ready to play, but worry about if the elbow is truly ready.”

And also, Joe is a SG: That means he is paid to shoot the damn thing!
If your shot is cold, YOU Keep shooting, until it gets HOT!
Every shooter thinks the next shot is going in.
Who would you rather take the open jumper? Marvin?
Al & Josh’s azz need to stay in the post, I don’t need to see them taking jumpers, who is gonna rebound when they miss? Bigs Play INSIDE for And 1’s and The Guar ds play outside and shoot, hopefully the PG’s will penetrate.

Teague is a terrible passer, BTW!

Hey Grand-Daddy! What’s up Baby?

The Truth

December 23rd, 2010
1:15 am

“Team was very flat to start. Larry Drew said he’d told the team at shootaround and then before the game to be wary of coming out slow. 1) They’d just beaten Orlando. 2) They were at home. 3) Cleveland is very easy to look past. 4) It’s almost Christmas”

On item # 4

Wishing all you bloggers a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! (I’m Out)

Enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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