Atlanta Hawks: Nets 89, Hawks 82

Devin and the Nets broke down the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Devin and the Nets broke down the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Newark, N.J.–The Nets a) are 2-1 against the Hawks and 6-19 against the rest of the league and b) have a penetrating point guard, a big post presence and a coach who gets them to play a scrappy defensive style. A and B are closely related.

  • “This is the type of defense we’ve been playing but we just haven’t been able to score,” Avery Johnson said. “We only scored 89 points tonight but it was seven more than our opponents.”
  • The Hawks got 30 of those points in the first quarter. They started off the game passing the ball around with ease and making lots of shots but then the Nets turned up their pressure. They wouldn’t let the Hawks catch it clean in the post and chased them away from rhythm shots on the perimeter.
  • The Hawks didn’t make of those things very difficult for New Jersey. Their entry passes to the post were poor and they were content to shoot lots of jump shots and fade away from the basket instead of go hard at it. Two plays in particular stood out in my mind to illustrate how the Hawks’ passiveness did them in.
  • One time Al had Vujacic guarding him and started to back him down. Troy Murphy offered some token help, then retreated. It’s a situation where it’s hard to think Al wouldn’t at least end up with a foul. Instead, he pulled up for a jump shot and missed
  • Another time, Murphy ended up guarding J.J. near the top of the key. Joe dribbled, juked a couple times, then threw up a long jump shot while fading away. He missed.
  • The Hawks attempted 74 shots. Only 27 were from the painted area.
  • “A lot of jumpers,” L.D. said. “We were looking to get more in the paint. We tried to post and they were coming on the double team, which we were already prepared for. That was a situation where we were settling from the outside when we should have tried to put the ball on the floor more to get more drive-and-kick situations. We had some open looks and they just didn’t fall tonight.”
  • Joe made four of his first eight shots, then missed his next eight. He looked uncertain for much of the second half and said he’s still rusty. “It’s not going to come back overnight,” he said. “I just have to take my time. “
  • “It will probably take another game or two for him to get into a rhythm,” L.D. said. “Early he was explosive and really making some nice plays. He kind of got cold again and couldn’t get it going again.”
  • When winning time arrived, the Nets did to the Hawks what any team with competent pick-and-roll guards can do: Get dribble penetration then take advantage when the defense scrambles. Good shots usually will be available against the Hawks in those situations and then it becomes a matter of making them. The Nets made enough to win.
  • “They were running the same plays and it took us a while to catch on to them,” Bibby said. “They were running pick-and-rolls, getting mismatches, spreading us out.”
  • Atlanta was down 74-70 when Josh was forced to hack Lopez, picking up his fifth foul. Smoove played less than a minute in the first quarter before picking up his second foul. He finished with just 26 minutes and had three blocks. When he wasn’t out there cleaning things up in the back it’s no surprise that New Jersey found it much easier to score on drives and post-ups.
  • After Lopez made those free throws for a 76-70 lead, here’s what Atlanta’s next 11 possessions looked like: J.J. travel . . . Collins foul . . . Al misses a fading runner across lane (he wanted a foul). . . J.J. missed corner 3 . . .Bibby made 3. . .Al’s miss over Vujacic . . . Marvin miss . . . Marvin made 3 . . .Josh made 3. . . . Horford made free throws . . . Bibby missed a rushed 3.
  • “In the first quarter, we had good ball movement,” J.J. said. “We were getting into the teeth of the defense and making the game easy. After that, for whatever reason, we stopped doing that.”
  • Bibby, among the least turnover-prone guards in the league, had five today. He had three brutal miscues in the second quarter, twice throwing it away while trying to feed the post and another time when the Hawks had a chance to get off another shot near the end of the half.
  • The Hawks had two turnovers in the first quarter, 14 over the final three. It’s not even that the Nets were taking all those turnovers and scoring–they had just nine points off the 16 turnovers. It’s just that the Hawks needed all the possessions they could get.
  • “It’s frustrating,” Drew said. “What’s even more frustrating is they are unforced turnovers, just coming down and making bad decisions on when to deliver the ball. When you are on the road, you have got to be more selective. You can’t have the high-risk plays, the high-risk passes.”
  • Without all those turnovers and thus more possessions the Hawks probably win. Consider that they had 12 assists on the 15 shots (out of 52 attempts) they had over the final three quarters.
  • The Hawks got nothing from their bench with Jamal out. Just two points after halftime for the reserves. Two rebounds in 13 minutes each for Twin and Josh Powell. Teague never could get the offense going and played just three minutes after halftime. Zaza played two minutes total and had two turnovers.

Michael Cunningham

208 comments Add your comment

J from the A

December 19th, 2010
7:27 pm

Hawks need to learn to execute in the 4th! ’nuff said.

J from the A

December 19th, 2010
7:27 pm

Oh, and, FIRST!

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
7:38 pm

MARVIN WITH 8 AND 4 IN 34 MINUTES

MC WHY DONT U ASK HAWKS BRASS HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A PLAYER

AND LET’S HEAR ABOUT SOME TRADE RUMORS

WORST FRONT OFFICE IN SPORTS

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
7:42 pm

Marvin is not mentioned once in this entire blog except for what he did in 2 plays in the 4th LOL

Dude gets a free ride

NO ACCOUNTABILITY anywhere on this franchise.

Inferior head coach, a PG who can only shoot, useless SF 90 % of the time, and an anemic bench

Reggie

December 19th, 2010
7:44 pm

The Hawks need to make a trade…not because Orlando did but because this group has reached its ceiling as far as potential goes. For some strange reason certain players don’t play well at the same time. Since Joe came back Josh cant throw the ball in the ocean, when was the last time Marvin and Al both had a huge game at the same time? The word is that Michael Jordan wants to cut bait with Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson…i dont know about Jackson but the Hawks should offer Marvin and maybe Teague for Gerald Wallace asap.

O'Brien

December 19th, 2010
7:57 pm

dennis scott said what northcyde was saying. JJ needs to STOP taking 3’s. Period. He was 1-6 today, and 1-6 against Charlotte. On the year, JJ is 23-94 (24%).

He said its not going to come back overnight, then why is he taking 16 shots when it is clear he is off?

Bad team loss by the Hawks though. We have seen these types of losses the last 2 years under Woody as well. Coach calls for penetration, Hawks settle for jump shots.

The only good thing is if these losses continue, Rick Sund might be persuaded to make a move.

Clyde

December 19th, 2010
8:07 pm

Chris Crawford > Marvin Williams

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
8:11 pm

CAN WE PLEASE GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ORGANIZATION IS DOING IN THE TRADE MARKET? ARE THERE RUMORS? AS THE BEAT WRITER I FEEL IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY PIQUE THIS INFORMATION, AS 99.99999% OF THIS BOARD WANTS TO KNOW

THANKS MC AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. GLAD YOU ARE FEELING BETTER

FIRE SUND

Clyde

December 19th, 2010
8:24 pm

Free Jordan Crawford

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
8:29 pm

No way Clyde

Jo-Craw = Jeremy Richardson. 1 dimensional skinny kid who does nothing else.

Get us a damn Point Guard and trade away all these draft picks. Atlanta Hawk 1st draft picks are pretty useless given how this system works

HawkEye

December 19th, 2010
8:37 pm

Bad team loss today. I’m beggining to wonder about LD. Alot of switches off pick ‘n rolls.

HawkEye

December 19th, 2010
8:40 pm

2nd half was pretty bad as well. Mediocre defense and terrible offense. Also gave up alot of rebounds (especially offensive rebounds).

EmirS.

December 19th, 2010
8:50 pm

off subject:

But,

We all love Smoove right? Ofcourse we do. Sure our stomachs turn inside out at times when he throws about those bricks. Or whe he starts getting frustrated and acts like a 5 year old kid who dropped his ice cream cone and as a punishment for being clumsy and not responsible, the mother/father wont purchase another. But would’nt we all agree that to his future and his continued development, he would be alot better under the watchful eye of a coach like George Karl, Byron Scott, Jerry Sloan, Gregg Popovich, etc, etc. Just a few examples. Now this has nothing to do with trades, or rumors, or stats, or his recent bad games, or anything of such. As for my favorite player in the league, I want to see him excel in his career. Despite which team he’s on. The guy just has so much more potential to be even greater. I want to see him up there. I know he can do so much more with the right coach.

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
8:55 pm

Gotta agree with EmirS.

If we had a better coach and a MENTOR for Smoove, he could close all the gaps in his playing.

Too bad he’s stuck under LD for now, for possibly 1.5 more years since we know ASG would never fire someone and pay him to not tbe there. We also need a better Bis coach than Tyrone.

Horfy also could use a Patrick Ewing to help his game

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
8:59 pm

This “motion” offense lasted for about 6 games. If we had used this “motion” offense last season with Woody’s defense, we could’ve actually been dangerous.

Kinda wish the postseason was here already and we could magically get new owners and a new GM because they are both horrendously pathetic in all facets.

Sund said on the radio during the summer that pretty much there was no way we’d make a trade and that w would only make a trade if we don’t improve on last season

FIRE SUND

lewis

December 19th, 2010
9:03 pm

I bought 4 tickets for tomorrow’s game while JJ was exploding with energy in the first and we were looking great.

I sorta want my money back now.

And the last Hawks game I went to Michael Jordan dropped 25 on us in a Wizards uniform.

Section 303

December 19th, 2010
9:37 pm

Gee, lewis, you’re a real diehard.

Section 303

December 19th, 2010
9:41 pm

Two arguements that can now be put to rest:

1. Kevin Love is better than Josh Smith. The debate is now on lock.

2. Joe Johnson does not matter. He doesn’t. Stop with the he’s a “superstar” horsesh#t. That was garbage today. And, spare me the “he’s only been back two games” BS, too. When you make that kind of money, believe it or not, you’re expected to perform. F him for being such a hack.

This is .500 team, at best. Sund, if by some chance you read this blog, you are awful. How you thought this organization was better off keeping these clowns together is beyond me. You’re either stupid or just too lazy to make any moves.

This team’s window slammed shut after Game 4 of last year’s Orlando series. It’s done.

Hit the red button and blow this piece of sh#t team up.

Section 303

December 19th, 2010
9:51 pm

One more rant, then I’m done with this.

‘Nique is the worst analyst in all the NBA. He continued to say Bibby played well today. What?! Bibby was a walking turnover today. ‘Nique is sitting there talking about how well he played. If that’s what he thinks, he should put the mike down, find a seat, sit down, fold his hands, and shut his f’ing mouth.

Kaveman

December 19th, 2010
9:52 pm

Jsmoove is not coachable…. He thinks he’s next Magic Johnson. He will not stop shooting throws three and the wild jumpers. At the same time dribbling the ball from one end to another! We need to trade Josh, Marvin to Charlotte for Wallace & Jackson.

Michael Cunningham

December 19th, 2010
9:54 pm

@JeJe: “CAN WE PLEASE GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE ORGANIZATION IS DOING IN THE TRADE MARKET? ARE THERE RUMORS? AS THE BEAT WRITER I FEEL IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY PIQUE THIS INFORMATION, AS 99.99999% OF THIS BOARD WANTS TO KNOW

THANKS MC AND KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. GLAD YOU ARE FEELING BETTER”

thanks but i wasn’t sick. i just went from Boston to NYC instead of zigging back to Atlanta for one day then zagging back out to NYC.

as for the trade stuff, we went through this last season. i understand my blog people are frustrated but i’m not going to make stuff up or speculate without foundation just to make people feel better. i am always looking for legit info and if i hear any i will of course report it. so far i haven’t heard anything in regards to the Hawks and trades. remember, all the Josh stuff was bogus and i’m told Sacto’s interest in Teague also was bad info. i will keep you updated as best i can.

Section 303

December 19th, 2010
9:56 pm

EmirS, shut up. I just can’t take anymore Josh Smith apologists. I can’t. He’s a spoiled brat. He’s been enabled by people like you his entire life. It’s always someone else’s fault, right? Never Josh Smith’s. Funny…this is his second coach and we’re seeing the exact same issues. But, has to be the coach’s fault. Nice f’ing deduction on your part.

God…I’m out.

EmirS, please come with another excuse for Josh the next time (probably tomorrow night) he does not show up for a game. I’m sure you have a bag full of them. “It’s the coach”, “He’s just young”, “He has potential”….same things I’ve been hearing for years. Keep babying him, though…can’t be Josh’s fault.

Atlhawksfan

December 19th, 2010
9:56 pm

STOP baggering Nique, he’s broke and trying to feed his family. SHOW some respect for a Hall of Famer!

Grandad

December 19th, 2010
10:00 pm

JeJe
“AS THE BEAT WRITER I FEEL IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY
TO TRY PIQUE THIS INFORMATION”

No, JeJe, his job is to be dispassionate.

Heaven forbid MC went out and uncovered some news.

Our best bet is to scour the web [papers in other cities]
where there is actually information forthcoming about the
local team.

Once upon a time I mentioned having passion for one’s job
and that was mistaken for being a fan of the team.
However, a writer who loves basketball, with access to the
local team, plus a blog…..well then what an opportunity
to share.

*Note to MC – most of us watched the game.
So thanks for telling us what we saw,
even if we saw it diffferently.
Yes, I realize I’m a smart-ass.

Atlhawksfan

December 19th, 2010
10:05 pm

I heard Josh’s investment went sour and he’s under a lot of stress… When a player goes through financial disaster, his abilities goes down with it. Just look at Curry for the Knicks… We need to trade him before he gets worst!

Section 303

December 19th, 2010
10:09 pm

That’s a new one, Atlhawksfan….never a shortage of people around here finding an excuse for J-smoove….

They will never trade him: 1. That would require a visionary as GM. Sund is not that.

2. Most on this blog would be up in arms. They would demand he be brought back so they could see his 2-blocks and 10-3 pt airballs every night.

EmirS.

December 19th, 2010
10:10 pm

In my opinion, Sund refuses to give something good to get back something good. Give something bad, get something good is his motto (opinion). That’s how we got Jamal. However, that seems to happen every once in a blue moon. This team is playoff capable. We know that. But, this team can not go toe and toe with the elite teams (ex. Celtics, Spurs, Heat [still hate them], Magic, Lakers, Mavs). We all know this.

I, like many others on this blog, beleived that we really had a legit chance to make the ECF. However, that legit chance has turned into desperation. Desperation now to make it out of round one at most. So with this being said, stats, heart, basketball IQ, enery, etc, etc, needs to be thrown out the window. And that red button, like Section 303 said, needs to be pushed. The team we have at the moment wont achieve much, if anything at all. Our projections have backfired on us and made us into even bigger fools (Marvin, Teague). We can claim that its still to early, that were missing people, anything that we want. But truth be told, we just arent clicking like everyone would like to. Owners know it, they may not show it by making moves but they know it. Just like Sund and even some of the players. A team that beleives in each other goes above and beyond. This teams lacks that. They dont trust in one another.

Once again, please dont throw that glass half empty BS at me, but this season is done and over with. Unless we make a significant change, theres no future this season.

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
10:13 pm

LOL @ Section 303

LMAO!!!

Funny thing is, we probably win today without Joe, but it may be better in the long-run playing him since he will be in the lineup come April.

Wait, it won’t matter since this pathetic core will be an early playoff exit [again].

ALL WE NEED ARE A COUPLE TWEAKS

Get rid of deadweights Marvin, Bibby, and Mo and get a damn PG in here already.

Jordan Farmar would do wonders for this team.

Devin Harris.

I’m tired of retyping the same ISH everyday that in my heart i know is right but that BASG won’t pay attention to.

It’s hard to tell if Sund is that bad or if ASG is just broke, or both

Thanks for the info, MC

-Frustrated Diehard Hawks Fan

EmirS.

December 19th, 2010
10:15 pm

Section 303, I’m not making excuses for him, mind you. I’m not making excuses for his poor performance today, or the teams poor performance. I’m talking in general about his future and what I beleive in.

If you think thats negative of me to do so, then fine let it be. It’s your opinion. However to tell me to shut up with-in a blog is kinda usless, would’nt you agree? I understand your irritated at the time being. Maybe you woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Maybe you hurt your toe on a door. It’s alright buddy, i’ll understand and let you be.

Hope you feel better.

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
10:16 pm

When is the last time we beat a team by 20 points and rested our players? Every win (even against the bad teams – go look) comes down to the last 2 minutes, and every other game is a damn loss

My dream is to wake up one of these days and to see serious rumors about a Hawk being traded for someone actually worth a squirt of piss

Section 303

December 19th, 2010
10:18 pm

EmirS, telling you to shut up was out of line. Sorry.

But, Josh Smith is Josh Smith. He isn’t changing. He’s example #1 why the age limit needs to be raised to 20 or 21. Going to college would have been the best thing to ever happen to J-smoove.

EmirS.

December 19th, 2010
10:23 pm

Enter your comments hereSection 303, thanks for the apology, I accept.

I can also agree with you on the age limit and give two thumbs up on the college comment. Might have done wonders.

Once again, I’m just looking into his future and what it might hold. And not his current miserable performances’. I feel better looking at what the future might hold, then teh disaster we’re witnessing at the moment.

Reality bites sometimes.

Atlhawksfan

December 19th, 2010
10:27 pm

Section 303, Amen brother!
Section 303, Amen brother!
Section 303, Amen brother!
Section 303, Amen brother!
I saw a interview on Josh. He goes around the schools and tell those kids that education is important. When he has absolutely no college education. Then those kids tells the reporter that Josh is their idle. Please Josh, STOP IT for the sake of the ATL kids!!!!!

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
10:30 pm

LOL @ Grandad

Damn got some funny ppl on this blog

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
10:31 pm

“I heard Josh’s investment went sour and he’s under a lot of stress… When a player goes through financial disaster, his abilities goes down with it. Just look at Curry for the Knicks… We need to trade him before he gets worst!”

WTF?

Kaveman

December 19th, 2010
10:33 pm

When the CBA expires this summer of 2011, Stern needs to raise the age to at least 21 to play in the NBA. I don’t want to hear about…”I got to feed my family or make a living.” What is the use of making $100+ million when you don’t know what to do with it. First get an education, then you’ll know what to do with your money.

jtshoopsblog

December 19th, 2010
10:33 pm

I’m not surprised. With the way the Hawks have been playing, a team like the Nets was bound to embarass them. I blame the isolation sets they run. They’re so predictable. They should really think about rotating the ball more. Every good denefensive has got their card so far. Now scrubs like the Nets do too. not a good sign.

YoDaddy

December 19th, 2010
10:34 pm

I wish we would make some type of trade…

team is not aggressive at all…like I’ve been saying….way too many jumpers and finesse plays…take the damn ball to the rim…so many athletes…wasted….get to the rim…LD should have the no more jumpers rule in effect

Fundamentals

December 19th, 2010
10:35 pm

Clyde – at the time I loved Chris Crawford. No talent, but the kid brought it every night. Don’t lump him in with a Marvin comment. That’s just rude to Chris.

SteveW

December 19th, 2010
10:35 pm

As many of us blog people have been saying all year, we’re a soft team. Soft teams shoot jumpers instead of attacking the basket. We don’t want to get hurt, plain and simple. It is what it is. We have wanted to fast break it for 3 years now. We have no dominate rebounder to get the break started. So we have become by NBA standards a soft team. Timid. Talented, but passive.

I thought Farmar would be a good fit also for the team, until I realized we already have him in Teague, and LD won’t play him consistently, so why trade for Farmar?

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
10:40 pm

Jeff Teague will never be the PG of this Franchise… He seems like a Jason Terry type of player, but he isn’t.

He and Marvin are extremely timid players that have to be woken up before they play well. Neither is consistent at all. Teague lacks confidence; Marvin lacks heart.

Farmar left a team that’s a lock for the NBA Finals [most likely] to be a starter somewhere else. And he has had some damn good games with Harris’s occasional injuries. He’d be a great fit here

Fundamentals

December 19th, 2010
10:40 pm

Losing today just proves we don’t have the pride to play our best and destroy inferior opponents. It’s a paycheck boys, deal with it. They just don’t care.

O'Brien

December 19th, 2010
10:47 pm

MC,

Do you have anything to report about Pape Sy? How does he look in practise? has management considered sending him to the D-League?

Section 303,

I get frustrated by Josh too. He has a lot of potential, but I dont know if it will ever be realized unless he is playing for a coach like Pop, or Doc Rivers etc.

That being said, I am not trading him for Kevin Love.

And I do share some of your frustration about JJ. I have been very disappointed by his play this season. I expected more from him. Maybe he is saving his best for the second half of the season…

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
10:48 pm

To beat the best teams, everyone on this team has to be on his A-Game.

A team like the Celtics can afford horrendous games from 4 of its 5 starters and still beat us

SteveW

December 19th, 2010
10:48 pm

I did want to give kudos to LD for breaking his 2 foul rule today. He allowed Al to get 3 in the first half. Thank you.

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
10:49 pm

8-7 on road now. LOL. Yeah what a good road team

Losing at dumps like New Jersey and Detroit against awful teams

If we had hired Avery, INVESTED MONEY IN THE PAYROLL, AND MADE TRADES, we’d easily be in 1st or 2nd in the East

JeJe

December 19th, 2010
10:51 pm

Can we please send JC2 to the NBDL?

I’d rather have him play there than sit on our bench or play for us with guys out and embarrass himself (Boston 2nd qtr)

J from the A

December 19th, 2010
10:57 pm

Blog monster killing me today.

Attempted to post a rant. Summary: OK. Say you want to trade Josh. Who is available that would make that trade worth pulling the trigger on [save the fantasy BS and the disgruntled fan BS]? Nash is not available. Melo would not make the Hawks a championship team [plus he would not stick around]. And then a rant about Love … smdh

Kaveman

December 19th, 2010
10:57 pm

I would like to see a trade for Kevin Love for Josh. Josh can be a good player somewhere else but not here.

SteveW

December 19th, 2010
10:59 pm

Reasons to keep Smoove – 1) He wants to be a student of the game, and studies under Ida Cavin.

Reasons to get rid of Smoove – 1) He whines alot
2) I don’t think he will age well. He doesn’t sky like he used to, but can he develop a game that will offset his lack of skying on a regular basis?
3) He’s not quite a 4. A little small, but a little slow for a 3. The Hawks are full of not quite’s:

Al’s not quite a Center
Teague’s not quite a PG
Smoove’s not quite a 4
JJ’s not quite a superstar
The Hawks are not quite an elite team – and seem to be getting further away from being elite all the time.
We’re not quite in the luxury tax

I like Smoove, and I don’t particularly like Kevin Love. But if Josh keeps whining, and being soft, I might be open to a Kevin Love trade for the following reasons:

1) Kevin Love is younger
2) Kevin Love is a definite 4
3) I think Kevin Love may age better than Josh.

Josh is in danger of being irrelevant in a couple of years. An aging 4, who is smallish, not tough, and can no longer sky like he used to. But Josh may still develop consistent All-Star type talent if he listens to the types like Cavin, and works hard at it. I would love to see that happen.