Atlanta Hawks at Nets: Magic make moves; Hawks wait and see
Newark–The Magic come to Philips Arena tomorrow with a whole new look. Hard to tell what it will mean for Atlanta’s division rival until we see how Orlando’s new pieces come together.
“They add guys that can shoot the ball,” L.D. said. “But they got rid of guys that can shoot it, as well. I was very surprised that they pulled the trigger on it. I had heard about but it just surprised me that they pulled the trigger.”
My initial reaction is that the Magic probably got better on the perimeter but without Gortat will have issues in the frontcourt when Dwight gets into foul trouble. The former just means the Hawks will have the same challenges as always in defending the Magic; the latter means the Magic (as presently constructed) will have to go small when Dwight is on the bench and that helps the Hawks.
J-Rich is a more versatile scorer than VC. Arenas comes with a bad knee and baggage but he says he’s ready to come off the bench and so will immediately fill a need for Orlando. Turkoglu had fallen off since leaving Orlando but perhaps a return to his playmaking role will rejuvenate him.
“Turkoglu has always been a tough guard because he has size and he can handle the ball,” L.D. said. “But I think it remains to be seen with the other guys. Both Carter and Rashard Lewis are guys that have always played well against us as far as making shots. Them getting Turokglu and Richardson and Arenas they add three guys who are just as potent from the outside. I think it just becomes a matter of whether the chemistry works out, and that just remains to be seen as they play with one another and get a feel for one another.”
Even after their recent struggles, the Magic are in a virtual tie in the standings with the Hawks. They had a good team before the moves.
“It definitely surprised me,” Marvin said. “They moved their whole team. I guess they have a vision how they want things and they thought it wasn’t working. They had to change it up, I guess. They could have gotten better. They bring Richardson in who averages 20. Hedo had a monster season when he was there the year they got to the Finals. You never know how it will work out.”
The consensus seems to be that the Magic made the move to appease Dwight and also in reaction to the Celtics and Heat streaking.
From Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel:
We don’t know if these trades will work or not, but what we do know is this: The Magic were not going to win anything by standing pat. This team is 16-10, has lost six of its last seven and is 3-6 against opponents with .500 records or better. It was becoming increasingly evident the Magic could not compete for a championship with a slumping Rashard Lewis and an aging Vince Carter in the lineup.
Replace “slumping Rashard Lewis” with “inconsistent Marvin Williams,” and “aging Vince Carter” with “aging Mike Bibby” and couldn’t he be talking about the Hawks?
Jamal out, Joe a go
Jamal will sit out his third consecutive game with a sore back. L.D. said J.J. was good the day after his return.
“He didn’t complain about anything,” Drew said. “He said it felt fine. No soreness. He said it felt good.”
Drew said he didn’t anticipate that it would take long for Joe to get back in the flow.
“It’s just a matter of him getting his timing back, getting his rhythm back,” he said. “Anytime you miss a few games it is always a little difficult at the beginning of regaining that rhythm and that timing. I am certain that he will get it back.”
MC
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202 comments Add your comment
Melvin
December 19th, 2010
1:12 pm
bigdave,
where u at?
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:13 pm
interested in seeing if Joe still plays w/ the bounce he played w/ Fri
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:13 pm
in da’ building..
lets get it sir..
Melvin
December 19th, 2010
1:14 pm
4 fouls on the Hawks in less than a min of playing time…
Melvin
December 19th, 2010
1:15 pm
Aight bigdave is here, it’s go time..
Melvin
December 19th, 2010
1:18 pm
Bibby needs to go around the pick instead of running into the pick
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
1:20 pm
Now surely Drew is NOT going to leave Josh Smith on the bench for the rest of the half. Surely not.
He should come back in at the 7 min mark of the 2nd, or if by some unfortunatel reason the Hawks start to struggle big time.
Good post up by JJ . . . Drew should call a lot more post ups for him. He can score and find the open man . . . just like he did with Marvin.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:21 pm
man I need a job im always bloggin on ajc 24/7
Ron
December 19th, 2010
1:23 pm
I can already tell that Joe Johnson is back in the lineup. He’s taken nearly 50% of the field goal attempts for the team already.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:27 pm
yea.. definitely need a job on Sunday afternoons .. Saturday nights.. and weekdays around 7..
yea thats the lifestyle i desire..
haha..
Ramon
December 19th, 2010
1:27 pm
I love the energy that Joe is playing with though. H’es moving almost like he’s athletic. I haven’t seen him move this quick in 2-3 seasons.
Bailey
December 19th, 2010
1:30 pm
There’s been a lot of really hot shooting by both teams so far. This is like watching Phoenix play New York. The Hawks needs to pick up their energy on defense a bit more, and I would stop trying to double Lopez. Make him at least score against you consistently before you start doubling. On the offensive end though, the Hawks look pretty fluid when the ball moves. There was a bit too much JJ isolation at the beginning, but I’m seeing more motion now.
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
1:30 pm
why is josh on the bench? foul trouble?
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:32 pm
noticed the same thing Friday Ramon..
Joe plays like that sometimes then maybe fatigue sets it and he plays w/ less bounce. i dont know..
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
1:32 pm
lol lopez and collins bout to fight
GT Alum
December 19th, 2010
1:34 pm
Of course, the Hawks wait and see. That’s the Hawks philosophy. At least in the days of Mookie, Smitty and Deek, the Hawks were trying to improve their glaring weakness at the SF position. The current Hawks are like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. They’re missing at least one major piece, yet they keep saying, “It’s just a flesh wound,” and trying to address it with Band-Aids.
The Magic trade demonstrates the difference between an organization that is dedicated to winning, and an organization that is happy with just being good, and isn’t willing to take the risks necessary to be great.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:35 pm
lets see the difference b/t Ld and Woodson..
what would Larry draw up with 2 secs left..
Melvin
December 19th, 2010
1:36 pm
Ramon/bigdave,
I was saying the same thing about Joe. Seem like he’s driving to the paint more…
It was not a bad pick
December 19th, 2010
1:38 pm
trading Marvin would be the dumbest s^&* i have ever seen….You draft the guy 2nd and never make him a focal point of the offense…wow.
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
1:40 pm
Marvin needs to get out of atlanta…I dont know anyone who thinks marvin shouldnt be traded
lp
December 19th, 2010
1:42 pm
This looks like the old joe
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
1:42 pm
avery johnson needs a haircut
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
1:43 pm
wow marvin just sucks..
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:43 pm
instead of pulling up, id like to see Marvin go ahead and take it to the cup..
Blue Moon Odem
December 19th, 2010
1:43 pm
A bad pick would be Drew for coach
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
1:44 pm
These refs are trippin. Stop blowing the whistle on both sides for every little touch.
lp
December 19th, 2010
1:44 pm
Can’t trade marvin, he looks like a player when getting shots
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:45 pm
i like what im seeing from Jeff of late..
make yourself demand a cover.. he was self checked. i like that he’s looking for scoring opportunities.. that opens up his playmaking game..
O'Brien
December 19th, 2010
1:46 pm
2 foul rule for Josh too?
At least the Hawks are playing well. We need to slow down Devin though.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:48 pm
to easy.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
1:48 pm
*too
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
1:48 pm
I want to see more driving from this team…too many jump shots…and marvin just looks horrible trying to crossover and drive
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
1:49 pm
bibby been turning the ball over a lot with dumb careless passes the last few games
O'Brien
December 19th, 2010
1:53 pm
J.J.M.,
Josh had 2 fouls in the first minute of play.
it was not a bad pick,
Let it go dude. Marvin has potential. But JJ has to be the focal point. 3 time all star, third team All NBA.
There are numerous players who have been taken with very high picks who are not focal points of offense.
LD needs to give Teague some more minutes to try and apply some perimeter pressure. Their guards are killing us.
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
1:54 pm
LOL Bibby . . . that’s the 3rd lazy pass this game.
O'Brien
December 19th, 2010
1:55 pm
So no 2 foul rule for Josh. Which I agree with. There should not be a 2 foul rule for Al either.
And who does Josh think he is? A behind the back, step back jumper? Air Ball.
O'Brien
December 19th, 2010
1:56 pm
3 turnovers for Bibby. And 2 turnovers for ZaZa in 2 minutes.
Jae Evolution
December 19th, 2010
1:57 pm
Josh tries too hard to play like a Guard sometimes…
Rev in Tampa
December 19th, 2010
1:58 pm
I was watching the Hawks on channelsurfing.net, but it just got blocked. Is anybody else having this problem? Is there somewhere else I can watch it?
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
1:59 pm
What’s up with Smith ducking when he’s runnng out to a shooter? When did he start doing that ish? He needs to stop that. Get your hands up dude.
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:02 pm
let what go? marvin sucks…hawks fan page on facebook all people do is bash marvin its not just me…and thanks for the josh info
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:02 pm
im encouraged by the ball movement.. just gotta knock down the looks..
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:02 pm
yessssss keep it up ravens
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
2:03 pm
JJ should never take a 3 ever again. Amazing that he can’t make open 3s anymore. That shot look like Smith’s airball earlier in the game.
The 3 is not your friend JJ.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:07 pm
which trips me out because there was a report friday that he took 50 3’s or something like that and missed 4 in testing out elbow..
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:08 pm
wow airball
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
2:09 pm
LOL . . what a sloppy game. Too early in the day I guess.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:09 pm
Joe is facilitating.. going quick, playing w/in offense and setting guys up. just not hitting shots.. Joe critics, dont be surprised if he starts solely looking for his offense..
especially w/ the misses and turnover piling up..
Jrue5
December 19th, 2010
2:09 pm
Jsmoove been inconsistent lately….I wonder why?
I heard Jsmoove has $ problems…he’s selling one of his houses.
O'Brien
December 19th, 2010
2:10 pm
11 turnovers for the Hawks already.
lp
December 19th, 2010
2:10 pm
Got to get it together josh, pick up the play
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:10 pm
I was for josh shooting jumpers…im not sure how I feel now
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:12 pm
the way josh playing he might not make the all-star team…hmm maybe thats why hes playing bad because hes trying to earn a spot on the team
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:13 pm
the set jumpers from Josh are ok w/ me.. its the ones he takes off the dribble, drifiting, or falling away that i dont understand.. if Josh is dribbling he should be attacking looking to score or dish.. not pulling up.
Melvin
December 19th, 2010
2:15 pm
Hawks scored 13pts in the 2nd qtr (ouch) and that’s after a 30pt 1st qtr…
Jrue5
December 19th, 2010
2:16 pm
Jsmoove, stop taking wild jumpers & those threes….Please for Atl!
ryan
December 19th, 2010
2:17 pm
It does appear that there could be trades that Hawks are looking at Bobcats want to rid of everyone Trail Blazers want to dump salary and don’t be surprised if Nash gets moved .
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:19 pm
im so out yo leagueeee
SMOOVE SAILING
December 19th, 2010
2:22 pm
NAW, IT BOTHERING HIM THAT HE HAS TO GIVE HORFORD JOSH’S TIME AT THE POWER FORWARD. JOSH SAYS HES A POWER FORWARD NOT A SMALL FORWARD AND WANTS HIS POSITION BACK.
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:25 pm
lol suns trying to trade childress
wordsmithtom
December 19th, 2010
2:26 pm
Bigdave, I echo that. Smoove should finish like an elephant, not like a balerina in a tutu.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:27 pm
Marvin posting gets ball knocked out hands..
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:28 pm
Joe out the post swings it to open Marvin .. who swings it to Josh.. who nails set 3..
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:29 pm
Josh nice drive and kick to an open Joe who cant hit from 3..
lp
December 19th, 2010
2:29 pm
Joe take it back to the basket
ROFLMFAO
December 19th, 2010
2:32 pm
WORDSMITH TOM
balerina
CORRECT WORD, TOM SMITH: ballerina
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:34 pm
i like the ball movement..
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:35 pm
the offense is not Joe heavy..
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:36 pm
he appears to be trusting his teammates and their abilities ..
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:38 pm
might want to put Collins in on Lopez..
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:40 pm
seen more layups from Bibby early this year than ive seen since he became a Hawk..
lp
December 19th, 2010
2:42 pm
Iso joe and a free throw
ROFLMFAO
December 19th, 2010
2:42 pm
Naw, our center al horford can handle Lopez
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:45 pm
why cant josh not make a easy shot at the basket unless hes not dunkng
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
2:46 pm
I still dont see no motion offense…
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:46 pm
would’ve liked to see Jeff go all the way there instead of kicking it ahead to Bibby..
Bailey
December 19th, 2010
2:51 pm
Same old problem on the offensive end for the Hawks – not enough touches for Al. He hasn’t had a single shot since early in the third quarter.
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
2:51 pm
LOL . . this is one of the worst basketball games I’ve ever seen. Sloppy . . sloppy . . sloppy.
The Hawks better pick up their defense in a big way, or they’ll give this game away. We need a good solid 3 – 5 minutes out of the benchm
Smith ice cold . . JJ 1 for his last 8
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
2:54 pm
good move boy..
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
2:58 pm
Ger your starters back in the game Drew.
Why Larry? Why not call the timeout and get them into the game when they went up 5? Now we’re down 8.
( sigh ) . . oh well. Let’s see if this team will play with a sense of urgency now.
Bailey
December 19th, 2010
2:58 pm
I don’t like the small lineup that L.D. has on the floor. He’s basically playing 4 guards and a short four man in Powell. It’s creating way too many mismatches. He needs to get Al and Marvin back in ASAP.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:00 pm
good d from Bibby 2 straight possessions..
Kaveman
December 19th, 2010
3:01 pm
Why are you trying to be Magic Johnson? Josh!
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:01 pm
then hits a big shot..
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
3:01 pm
why is joe on the court…hawks played so much better without him and now they will lose to the damn nets again..make a trade this team will not get anywhere with this roster
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:01 pm
lets go..!
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:02 pm
inability to secure the board results in 3..
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
3:03 pm
JJ stumblin, bumblin across the court. Shift it into 5th gear #2. Get out of 2nd gear.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:03 pm
way to step up and hit em..
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:05 pm
i think Collins needs to get on the floor and move Josh to 3..
Kaveman
December 19th, 2010
3:05 pm
We definelty need an overhaul!!!!! Like the Magic!
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
3:06 pm
LOL . . we need to go to Marvin. He closed out last game. Maybe he can do it again.
First team to 82 wins this game.
wordsmithtom
December 19th, 2010
3:06 pm
ROLFLMFAO, when dude starts playing better, I’ll worry about spelling better. JS is playing worse than I spell. Just keeping it real. Oh, and a man who worries about the way another man spells a word is nothing but a control freik. Get over your sorryazz self.
lp
December 19th, 2010
3:07 pm
If the game is lost chalk it up to having month and damien wilkens in at the same time with teague powell and joe. Month and damien should never be in together
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:07 pm
yikes.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:09 pm
gotta learn how to go over right shoulder.
Melvin
December 19th, 2010
3:09 pm
Hawks look terrible on offense…
Hawks vs Nets
December 19th, 2010
3:09 pm
From to looks of things, the Nets will be the first to 82
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
3:09 pm
Bad . . bad . . bad . . bad.
Nets at 80 already.
Hawks vs Nets
December 19th, 2010
3:12 pm
losing to the Nets before facing Orlando … don’t know if that’s good or not
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
3:14 pm
A lot of blame to go around this game, starting with JJ and all the turnovers.
Hawks basically need to go on a 10 – 0 run to win this game.
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:14 pm
b/c offense is struggling i doubt Hawks have the desire to get the stops necessary to win this game..
lukas
December 19th, 2010
3:14 pm
This game is a clear message to Rick Sund: shake and bake!! But his m.o. is passiveness and conservativeness, so the only place we’re going is to a playoff 1st round exit.
ROFLMFAO
December 19th, 2010
3:16 pm
Josh Smith
#5 24:11 12 9 2 5
Al Horford
#15 37:06 13 9 4 3
Looks like Josh has done as much as Al in half the time.
northcyde
December 19th, 2010
3:17 pm
LOL . . the Nets lead the season series 2 games to 1. That is tuurrrrible.
Jae Evolution
December 19th, 2010
3:17 pm
Another L to the Nets, pathetic loss after a terrible game to the Bobcats without their best player and Jackson being injured, is this team serious?
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:17 pm
smh @ the inability to make shots from good looks.
Kaveman
December 19th, 2010
3:17 pm
We want a trade! If we don’t, I predicting 7th or the 8th seed and then loose in first round. These players play with no passion and very lazy. JS, especially…don’t listen to the coach…. bench his azz next few games! That way we know he won’t be taking those threes and wild jumpers!
ROFLMFAO
December 19th, 2010
3:18 pm
b/c offense is struggling
What? the Princeton offense is struggling? Wonder if it has some thing to do with hawks being forced to shoot out side because they cant get off in the paint?
Ya Think?
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
3:18 pm
Horford played timid tonight..
ROFLMFAO
December 19th, 2010
3:19 pm
I cant stop laughing @ you idiots…
HAWKS NEED A CENTER.
lukas
December 19th, 2010
3:19 pm
In order to get quality players that fit in the roster, either Josh or Al have to be traded along with Jamal. Marvin, Bibby, Zaza have minimal trading value.
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
3:19 pm
lol losing to the nets again is just pathetic…team is not that good and needs to make a trade and joe needs to sit out some more games hes hurting this team not being 100%
J.J.M
December 19th, 2010
3:21 pm
if hawks do get a center josh will suck it up at small forward because he never drives and rely on his jump shot smh
BROOK LOPEZ
December 19th, 2010
3:21 pm
Horford played timid tonight..
NO CHIT?
Nate ArchiBALL
December 19th, 2010
3:23 pm
To All Star Al: Where is the inside game? Zero trips to the free throw line on Friday and two trips today!!! Talk about someone falling in love with the jumper……..
ROFLMFAO
December 19th, 2010
3:23 pm
Exactly lukas. I could not agree more.
Atlgent
December 19th, 2010
3:24 pm
Its a wrap!!! Last year after the debacle on Thanksgiving night where the Hawks just laid an egg after halftime, I decided to not attend a game the rest of that year. As of now, as long as Bibby and Marvin Williams is on the team, I will not be watching another game….PERIOD… I will now only read the comments on the blog or catch lowlights on SportsCeneter od NBA-TV
Bailey
December 19th, 2010
3:26 pm
It’s asking a lot for Bibby to have to guard Devin Harris. I think Joe should be matched up with Harris. Bibby would have been better off on Vujacic. One thing that I think Drew has done a bad job on all season long has been with matchups. It’s not just L.D.’s fault today though. Outside of Horford, Bibby, and Powell, no one on the team shot at or better than 50%. I think the coaching strategy and who was on a floor at the same time had a large part in the issues.
Clyde
December 19th, 2010
3:30 pm
JeJe for Blogger of the Year
Kaveman
December 19th, 2010
3:31 pm
Trade Marvin, Josh, Zaza………………………..
Trade Marvin, Josh, Zaza………………………..
Trade Marvin, Josh, Zaza………………………..
Trade Marvin, Josh, Zaza………………………..
Trade Marvin, Josh, Zaza………………………..
Trade Marvin, Josh, Zaza………………………..
Marvin sucks…………………..
Josh is $broke………………..
Zaza is a chef…………………
Marvin sucks…………………..
Josh is $broke………………..
Zaza is a chef…………………
Ron
December 19th, 2010
3:31 pm
Another extremely disappointing loss to an inferior team due to the same issues that people complain about over and over again. Poor perimeter defense, bad matchups, not enough involvement on the offensive end for Horford, too much isolation when things get tight in late-game situations, bad shot selection for Josh, poor bench play, too many minutes for Bibby/not enough minutes for Teague. It amazes me that we are this far into the season and have yet to see even an attempt at correcting these problems. It’s almost impossible for me to even watch a Hawks game without feeling disappointed or depressed by the time the game is over. Even in the wins, these same issues are apparent.
ROFLMFAO
December 19th, 2010
3:32 pm
Shot filter on Hawks.com shows the Nets with multiple lay up in the 2/3/4 quarters the hawks had 2 in the 1st, 1 in the second, three altered misses in the 3rd and 1 altered miss in the 4th.
Looks like brook and company held down the paint.
ROFLMFAO
December 19th, 2010
3:34 pm
Forget horfords offense can he play defense, ron?
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
3:34 pm
OK,
It’s time to give up on our scrub PGs. Teague will NEVER star for this franchise and likely in the NBA.
Bibby is old, out of shape, and gets DESTROYED every game.
Trade Marvin and Bibby for a PG. I sure as hell know NJN has 2 PGs, one of which they’d likely trade, given how good Farmar is. Houston has 2 PGs. Indiana has 2 PGs.
MC, can you PLEASE see if this “front office” is shopping around?
How the hell do you lose 2 games to this scrub team?
light bulb came on
December 19th, 2010
3:35 pm
The object is to stop the other team from scoring….
Kaveman
December 19th, 2010
3:36 pm
Damn let Teague play, Larry!
Damn let Teague play, Larry!
Damn let Teague play, Larry!
Damn let Teague play, Larry!
Damn let Teague play, Larry!
Damn let Teague play, Larry!
Damn let Teague play, Larry!
Damn let Teague play, Larry!
Antwan
December 19th, 2010
3:36 pm
I don’t care what anyone says… the Hawks were a better team under Mike Woodson. Certain players, like Horford, are better than they were last season, but that potential goes to waste when the coach doesn’t use the player anyway. The Hawks struggle to even beat inferior teams this season, what a disgrace. That almost never happened last season, and when it did, it was usually due to a lack of heart or effort. This season, even when the effort is there, they lose due to poor strategy and ineffective use of players and matchups on the defensive end. It’s time to hit the road, Drew.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
3:36 pm
Bailey,
forget blaming Drew about matchups.
Bibby CAN’T guard anyone. He couldn’t even contest Richard Hamilton’s shots a few nights ago.
Lose @ Detroit, 2 losses @NJN, lose at home to Milwaukee after being up huge AND NOT ONE DAMN TRADE RUMOR ABOUT THIS TEAM. NEVER IS THERE ANY RUMORS ABOUT A HAWK BEING TRADED
WORST GM AND OWNERSHIP IN SPORTS
light bulb came on
December 19th, 2010
3:36 pm
Good point Nate ArchiBALL
ryan
December 19th, 2010
3:37 pm
Fire the hole organization ASG is the problem they did not push for Avery Johnson they took the cheap way out with Larry Drew i mean i have it this team is going no were but down hill .
We all agree
December 19th, 2010
3:37 pm
WORST GM AND OWNERSHIP IN SPORTS
Bailey
December 19th, 2010
3:44 pm
JeJe,
I’m aware of the fact that Bibby is a defensive liability, but the point is that if Drew wants to keep him on the floor then he should at least put him in the most advantageous matchup that he can, not the most disadvantageous one. Asking Bibby to guard the quickest player on the floor is just a bad idea, plain and simple. Either take Bibby out of the game and use someone else, or if you must have him out there, put him on the worst offensive perimeter player for the other team. It just doesn’t make any sense why Drew has Bibby guarding guys like Harris and Robinson in the last few games. If he puts Bibby on someone like Rose or Westbrook when we play the Bulls and Thunder, then something is definitely wrong with coach Drew. I just hope he doesn’t do anything that crazy.
Hawks73
December 19th, 2010
3:51 pm
I can’t say I’m surprised that the Hawks lost again to the lowly Nets. It’s the makeup of the players on this roster that is the demise of this team. The more we all witness the uneven nature of this team’s play, the easier it is to surmise the outcome. This team has too many players that are not willing to put in the effort game in & game out, to compete for anything less than their respective salaries.
It’s time to make some tough decisions, but needed nonetheless.
Steve W
December 19th, 2010
4:03 pm
Is it just me, or has the Hawks’ offense looked a lot worse ever since Joe came back?
It was not a bad pick
December 19th, 2010
4:04 pm
Like i have said before, I would have never gave Joe Max that deal….Worse move ever other than sheldon williams over Roy,rondo,Gay…But that pick was all Woodson according to my sources…..If he was really a star, no way we lose to the nets..It is time for the Hawks to see where Marvin can take us on offense….No way i waste Marvin to pad Joe Max stats..The guy was the 2nd pick of the draft and we are making him a decoy out there….We need a center also..But I hate to see a talent like Marvin go to waste..He took 9 shots made 4, 8 points..Joe Max took 16 and made 4,14 points..DO THE MATH..the man just had 26 points against Boston.Every time Joe Max is hurt Marvin comes up with big scoring nights….All it takes is for him to get in a groove..
It was not a bad pick
December 19th, 2010
4:10 pm
A pg will do nothing to improve this team..bibby has been money all year..We need a center and a coach that will play a true center…We have no player over 6ft9 that can protect the rim….this is all that you have to do..
1.Trade jamal,Mo,Picks for a big man, and start him..Always have collins,ZaZa or ? in the game at all times
2.Make Marvin the focal point of the offense,If we do that it will be no more long scoring droughts..
3.Bring Josh Smith off the bench,he would be our Lamar Odom, and upgrade the foward positon on the bench
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
4:14 pm
Bailey: “Either take Bibby out of the game and use someone else, or if you must have him out there, put him on the worst offensive perimeter player for the other team.”
I’ll say it one more time: BIBBY CANNOT GUARD ANYONE IN THIS LEAGUE. He is a BOTTOM 5 starting PG, just as Marvin is a BOTTOM 5 SF.
Our starting lineup is SEVERELY DISADVANTAGED with these 2 scrubs out there. Bibby is ONLY good for 3pt %. His defense is ATROCIOUS. I won’t even waste 5 minutes typing all I think about Marvin because you all already know.
Ben G.
December 19th, 2010
4:16 pm
Our problems for a long time now have not been on the interior. Horford and Smith do a great job for the most part on our interior defense, and on the offensive end Horford is very effective, just about every game, when he actually gets the ball for a an attempt. Josh can be very effective on offense too, when he isn’t jacking up ill-advised shots. Our problems are on the perimeter, on the defensive end. As bad as Joe was today, and as bad as the offense has looked, we will had a chance to win that game, but couldn’t stop the perimeter players down the stretch. Bibby on Harris was just an awful matchup, and that bench lineup with Mo, Wilkins, and Powell as the frontcourt really did us in early in the fourth quarter. That’s on L.D., but the awful offense only compounded the problem. For the kind of money that Joe is making, I can understand the coach wanting to get the most out of him, but not when he is single-handedly hurting the rest of the players on the court. Guys like Joe and Jamal really hurt the development of other players. Horford could easily be a 20+ point, 10+ rebound guy each night if he was the primary option, and Williams could probably be a 20 point scorer if he was one of the main options as well. I’m tired of the favoritism and the habit to go to Joe for isolation everytime we need a basket, when in reality, the usually results in us coming up empty. I don’t know if it is Drew’s doing, Joe’s doing, or a combination of both, but I don’t like this trend, and it has been going on for years now. Your star player should not be shooting 30% from the field, if that happens, then something is obviously wrong.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
4:20 pm
Without a CONSISTENT facilitator on the floor, we will always have dry spells out there.
PLAYERS JUST STAND AROUND BECAUSE THERE IS NO OFFENSIVE SCHEMING. How many times have we seen Horford at the top of the key with the ball with 7 seconds left on the shot clock?
Joe should’ve stayed out longer. We were fine without him and his shooting hurt us today. So did Marvin who did nothing (what’d he have? 6 & 4?) Pathetic.
People here don’t even mention Marvin much because we know he sucks
Bailey
December 19th, 2010
4:22 pm
JeJe,
As bad as Bibby is on the defensive end, neither you nor I can do anything to make L.D. sit him on the bench when he wants him to play. That’s why I’m saying, if Drew is fixed on playing him, he should at least try to hide him somehow on the defensive end, like Woody sometimes tried to do. That was one of the few things that Woody did well was match bibby up with the worst and slowest offensive players on the other teams. As long as Bibby is on the floor, the opposition can attack us from the perimeter, which is why it would be best if we make it so that the player attacking him is not a good offensive player in the matchup.
Teague has obviously not gained L.D.’s trust yet, so we are stuck with Bibby for the foreseeable future. Maybe if Teague had a better jump shot, L.D. would play him more. He seems to have a love for the jump shot. I think that’s the main reason why Powell gets more minutes than any backup big man that we have, because he definitely doesn’t help us much on the defensive end.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
4:22 pm
Marvin had 4 rebounds in 34 minutes.
Yes, our 6″9-6″10 starting SF got 1 rebound every 8.5 minutes
LOL!
terrell
December 19th, 2010
4:24 pm
Make a trade. Hawks been “waiting and seeing” for 6 years.
Ben G.
December 19th, 2010
4:27 pm
Another thing that I’ve noticed since Joe has returned is the fact that Horford gets ignored in the post even moreso than he was ignored before. I’ve noticed him get great low post position on numerous occasions between this game and the Charlotte game. He gets position and holds his hands out waiting for the ball, but Joe pops up and asks for the ball instead and then Horford has to leave the paint to not get called for a three-second violation. Then Joe dribbles around for a while trying to find a shot, and when he notices the clock going down, he’ll pass the ball back to Horford at the top of the key with time running out, or over to Josh, who then tries to become Magic Johnson to save the Hawks before the clock runs out.
Allen
December 19th, 2010
4:29 pm
Other point guards must love playing against Bibby. One crossover, stepback, or drive and fake, and you’ve got a wide open jump shot.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 19th, 2010
4:29 pm
I hope y’all were watching Eagles-Giants like me instead of the sorry azz Hawks game. Game of the year. Mike Vick for MVP.
Steve W
December 19th, 2010
4:32 pm
Not everyone is a football fan, Najeh. So, there are probably a lot of angry people who watched that Hawks game.
Ben G.
December 19th, 2010
4:36 pm
Just a note, to all of the people who are angry about Joe Johnson being a max player and the effect that his ball-hoggery has on the team, he isn’t going anywhere anytime soon, The Hawks basically have what the wizards had on their hands with Gilbert Arenas, contract-wise. Almost no one is going to want Joe in a trade due to the amount of money he is owed, and if the team ever does manage to trade him because they are not satisfied, it will have to be for an inferior player (e.g. Rashard Lewis for Arenas), since there won’t be many offers.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
4:37 pm
Ben G,
The thing is, Arenas wasn’t on a max contract. It was a 110M/6 deal. Joe’s was 125M/6, a true max
Allen
December 19th, 2010
4:39 pm
By the way, if you guys think the offense looks bad now, just wait until Jamal gets back and you have him and Joe both on the floor at the same time. Not to mention the defense…If you thought it was bad seeing Bibby get smoked by Devin Harris, just wait until Jamal is healthy and L.D. starts playing Bibby and Jamal together, with Joe at the 3 down the stretch. Don’t be surprised if Nelson and Richardson light up the Hawks for 50 going against Bibby and Jamal. You can thank your management and coach for those gifts.
Clyde
December 19th, 2010
4:41 pm
The Hawks won’t make a trade because the Spirit Group is satisfied with a mediocre team.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
4:41 pm
If NJN is so desperate for Melo, is it possible they’d bite on Smoove and give us Murphy (expiring) and one of their PGs in a multi-player trade?
Ben G.
December 19th, 2010
4:46 pm
It’s pretty funny that Al and Josh’s combined salaries are almost equal to Joe’s salary, and the two of them combined more than double Joe’s production. Hell, each of those guys alone, almost outproduces Joe. Efficiency-wise, Horford is better than Joe by a landslide, and even with Josh taking terrible shots, his field goal percentage is better than Joe’s. Clearly, something is wrong with the team’s offensive philosophy and shot distribution.
The Counselor
December 19th, 2010
4:54 pm
Guys, I’m just curious about something…who is to blame for the Hawks struggles this season? I know the blame can go on a combination of people, including the players, coaching staff, ownership, etc., but who is the root of the problem or the biggest problem?
I mean, obviously, ownership is easy to blame for not making any impact moves during the offseason, but essentially the same set of players, I only see one person to blame for the decline so far: the coach. The players have obviously not gotten worse (with the exception of maybe Joe). Horford, Smith (when he isn’t taking those horrible jump shots), and Teague all look better this year, and Powell is an upgrade over Joe Smith, while Collins is almost improved slightly over Randolph Morris. The team doesn’t look like they are giving up as much as they did last season either, so the root of the problem really seems to be the coach.
If a coach as limited as Woodson was able to get the team to win 53 games last season, what is the excuse for Larry Drew? Also, don’t give the rookie coach debate or mention that a new system takes time to implement, because there really hasn’t been any progress offensively, and the defense remains about the same as last season, overall.
So, what is the problem? I’d love to hear some ideas on this.
Allen
December 19th, 2010
5:02 pm
I wish I had SportsSouth so that I could listen to Larry Drew’s pathetic post-game interviews. I can only imagine which excuses he made today and what lies he is preaching about to the media.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
5:07 pm
Drew’s offensive plan really is a joke.
I see no plays run at all
Just everyone standing around and our fat overweight PG jacking up shots and not impacting the game
Big Ray
December 19th, 2010
5:08 pm
We don’t know if these trades will work or not, but what we do know is this: The Magic were not going to win anything by standing pat. This team is 16-10, has lost six of its last seven and is 3-6 against opponents with .500 records or better. It was becoming increasingly evident the Magic could not compete for a championship with a slumping Rashard Lewis and an aging Vince Carter in the lineup.
Hawks front office : “Nahhhh….we like our core. The one that just lost to New Jersey. Again.”
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 19th, 2010
5:09 pm
the hawks can barely score more than 90 nowadays
Big Ray
December 19th, 2010
5:11 pm
If a coach as limited as Woodson was able to get the team to win 53 games last season, what is the excuse for Larry Drew? Also, don’t give the rookie coach debate or mention that a new system takes time to implement, because there really hasn’t been any progress offensively, and the defense remains about the same as last season, overall.
So, what is the problem? I’d love to hear some ideas on this.
Oh, so rookie coaches should be expected to perform like veterans, and new offensive and defensive philosophies are something that can be acclimated overnight.
Sounds like your mind is made up about it being the coach. Which means asking for ideas really means you want a theory to shoot down.
LOL….
Steve W
December 19th, 2010
5:11 pm
I really hope that the Hawks’ management is conjuring up some trade that we just don’t know about yet. That trade exception that we got for Childress is just laying around somewhere going to waste. I’ve noticed that Zaza has been collecting a lot of dust on the bench lately. I wonder if he would be a potential trade chip, along with Jamal. Zaza is an okay backup center, and a pretty good rebounder. He can be effective, as long as you don’t expect him to finish at the rim LOL. At any rate, there’s got to be someone out there who wants him.
Grandad
December 19th, 2010
5:14 pm
Only saw the 2nd half.?.
Observation:
Joe stops the offense.
It [the Off.] does not flow as it did before he came back.
Observation # 2:
The team did not look as if they wanted to be there today.
(are the players even aware how handsomely they are compensated)
Last observation:
Joe’s body language suggests he’s @ a funeral rather than a game.
No wonder his followers are caught up in his wake.
The Counselor
December 19th, 2010
5:23 pm
Big Ray,
If you have nothing constructive to contribute, then why contribute? Perhaps, I would like to hear some contrary ideas. I just got the ball rolling with my personal feelings on the matter. That doesn’t mean I’m opposed to hearing counter-arguments. I’d just like to hear what others have to say on the matter.
Also, it appears that you either did not read into what I was saying, or did not understand it. New schemes don’t show results overnight, but progress is something that can be witnessed. The Hawks are not showing progress, and although injuries have played a factor so far this season, the team really hasn’t looked much better with Joe Johnson in the lineup, so even that logic is skewed. The defense also has it’s ups and downs.
And, as far as your point about rookie coaches, when you have the talent that this roster has, it’s not asking a lot to at least stay close to or equal what your predecessor did. Take a look at what Chicago is doing. They were able to play better than the Hawks under a brand new rookie coach, with an inferior roster (when without Boozer).
And we are not even mentioning the fact that Drew had an advantage over other rookie coaches in his overall experience on the sidelines as an assistant and the fact that he was already familiar with the players, a huge advantage over other rookie coaches.
So, if you have something constructive to say or disagree, then prove me wrong with some analysis, rather than scoffing at my questions and argument in disrespectful fashion.
Allen
December 19th, 2010
5:28 pm
Grandad,
You are spot on with your comment about Joe stopping the offense. I’m starting to wonder if this team can run a motion/flex offense with Joe on the floor in tight games. Joe excelled in a movement-oriented system in phoenix, but that was in his early years, before he developed his deep isolation habits, and that was also under a very experienced coach who is arguably one of the best offensive coaches in the game.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
5:36 pm
“Oh, so rookie coaches should be expected to perform like veterans, and new offensive and defensive philosophies are something that can be acclimated overnight. ”
That’s the problem.
THERE ARE NO OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE PHILOSOPHIES.
As bad as Woody was, at least he emphasized DEFENSE AND REBOUNDING
Drew emphasizes offense, which looks just as bad as last year’s, and defense, which this team rarely seems to play (look how many open shots other teams get.
I’m pretty sure Avery circled these [home] games against ATL and told his team to destroy us as payback for us not signing the QUALITY EXPERIENCED COACH WHO HOLDS PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE.
Marvin Williams: 8 points and 4 rebounds in 34 minutes LOL!!!!! Accontability my $55
terrell
December 19th, 2010
5:37 pm
Sorry Najeh, Tom Brady’s MVP man.
Vick comeback POY.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
5:37 pm
Excellent posts, The Counselor.
Our offense and defense do NOT look better compared to last year and it’s amazing this team is worse.
I really think the only player on this team who improves every year is Horford.
Smoove is just naturally athletic and Teague is so trivial a player that he doens’t count
Allen
December 19th, 2010
5:38 pm
To The Counselor:
I think you have to blame ownership and management for the debacles. L.D. may not be doing a great job as a coach, but management made the decision to hire him. The whole point of getting a new coach was so that the team would improve, win more games, and advance further into the playoffs. Right now, they are doing the opposite, and it has to do with a mediocre hire in L.D. and a lack of any impact moves during the offseason. The same issues that we’ve had personnel-wise for the last couple of years are still with us now, and the coaching change is doing nothing for us. I can’t put the blame on the players or L.D. alone, since it’s not entirely their fault. Maybe L.D. just wasn’t qualified for this job, and maybe the combination of players we have right now just aren’t enough to take us a step further than we’ve been. That’s why it’s the duty of management and ownership to shake things up when the personnel that we already have can’t take us further.
Mr. S E R U M
December 19th, 2010
5:38 pm
Right on Big Ray!!
Mr. S E R U M
December 19th, 2010
5:39 pm
Go Woody Lite!
ROFLMAO!
kwooden1
December 19th, 2010
5:44 pm
Didn’t see this game, but its clear that they missed Jamal. They needed someone that could make shots, any offensive looks bad when shots aren’t going in. The HAWKS are a jump-shooting team, so their jumpers have to be falling for them to be successful. I’m sure they will play better tomorrow night, especially if Jamal comes back. But with Bibby and Joe playing 40+ minutes, Jamal will need to come back with a vengeance. Those guys will have tired legs.
GO HAWKS!
Andre
December 19th, 2010
5:46 pm
Woody Lite?
So, if Woodson was a glass of Pepsi, then L.D. is the watered-down glass of pepsi that has been sitting around on the table for six years?
Steve W
December 19th, 2010
5:52 pm
You know what is kind of shocking?
The team right now, is on pace for a record inferior to the Hawks team from two years ago that didn’t even have Jamal on it. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Actually, the Hawks were never really mighty, but they were on the verge of getting to that level before the Martin Luther King, Jr. wannabe arrived.
Mr. S E R U M
December 19th, 2010
5:53 pm
The HAWKS are a jump-shooting team, when ever the other team has a better center than we do…
Mr. S E R U M
December 19th, 2010
6:00 pm
MVP means you made the guys around you better. N. E is much more talented than philly. Take the skins vs philly without vick and skins vs philly with vick and you see the difference.
would not have the eagle flying as high if he was the quarterback
Mr. S E R U M
December 19th, 2010
6:01 pm
Brady would not have the eagle flying as high if he was the quarterback
Najeh Davenpoop
December 19th, 2010
6:20 pm
“Sorry Najeh, Tom Brady’s MVP man.
Vick comeback POY.”
We’ll see. The only team Vick has lost to in a game he started and finished is the Bears. People seem to forget that Brady was really ordinary for the first 6 or 7 games of the season and had a bad road loss to the Browns. If Vick gets penalized for being injured, Brady probably wins. But after today’s comeback, it’s going to be hard to deny Vick the MVP vote.
Clyde
December 19th, 2010
6:31 pm
The Hawks are so sorry I’m tired of talking about them.
When will Larry Drew realize that Marvin Williams needs to come off the bench? Its just sad. The guy has done nothing to deserve a starting spot. He doesn’t score, he doesn’t rebound and he doesn’t defend. All he does is run up and down the court and jacks up jump shots. SMGDH
When Jamal comes back I think we should start him at the 2 and put Joe at the 3 against smaller lineups and use Bibby and Joe at the guards and use Collins at center against bid lineups.
This love affair between the Hawks organization and Marvin Williams needs to end.
Wally Walker
December 19th, 2010
6:34 pm
The ball does not rotation and the current PGs don’t penatrate. Josh, Al, Marvin, etc never get easy or rythem shots. Don’t be fooled by Marvin’s recent games; he does not possess the killer instinct to be an elite player. I would like to keep Jamal this year as well as for the future, but do the Hawks’ GM and ownership have the heart to DO SOMETHING! Marvin, Bibby, MO’s contract, Teague and their # 1 pick have value. I just don’t believe they will sit by and allow this team to go backwards aan anything less than getting to the 2nd round of playoffs is backwards.
Again, Portland and Phoenix want to dump salary and rebuild. Houston is trying ro retool. There are PGs available. Do something!
cp
December 19th, 2010
6:46 pm
I was watching the Eagles vs Giants so I didnt see much of this game. What I did see was ugly though. LD has had some terrible lineups on the floor at key times… This team needs to make a move but seeing how Sund is the GM I doubt we do.
Tyrone
December 19th, 2010
6:48 pm
People clam down, my cousin BooBoo in Phoenix says a trade for Steve Nash is in the works. The Hawks are offering Marvin, Bibby, and their # 1 pick. Phoenix wants Jamal, Mo, # 1 pick, and cash.
As the new reports state, Phoenix wants to dump Josh Childress and the Hawks have to involve another team to take back Childress. Portland looks like the 3rd team. Hopefully, its goodbye Marvin!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 19th, 2010
6:50 pm
I hope your cousin BooBoo is right, because that would be a great trade for the Hawks. If they can get Nash without giving up one of their three best players they would be idiots not to do it.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
6:50 pm
Wally Walker,
No one is fooled by Marvin’s recent games. You know why? Because he had 8 and 4 in 34 minutes today. I swear those are the numbers he puts up 90 % of the time.
The other 10 %, God Forbid, when adversity strikes, and a player is out, he is FORCED to step up
I know that any situation involving him being out of his comfort zone of invisibility must be tough, but somehow he actually tries when he is yelled at or he is forced to step up
FIRE SUND
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
6:51 pm
LOL @ PHX wanting 2 bench players over 2 starters.
I told you clowns Bibby and Marvin aren’t starters. Even if that rumor is [I hope it's not] BS, I’d do either trade.
I would commend the Hawks for offering 2 of our worst rotational players (Marvin and Bibby) though
Najeh Davenpoop
December 19th, 2010
6:53 pm
It’s funny, though, isn’t it? As recently as six months ago, the Hawks had just come off a 53 win season, the Falcons had missed the playoffs, the Braves had missed the playoffs, and who knows what the Thrashers were doing. Fast forward six months and the Falcons are arguably the best team in the conference, the Braves are coming off a playoff appearance and a big trade, even the Thrashers are apparently in first place, and the Hawks look mediocre. Weird how these things happen.
lukas
December 19th, 2010
6:56 pm
From where cousin BooBoo had the info?
Smith
December 19th, 2010
6:57 pm
Tyrone why in the world would Phoenix take this crapy deal. Keep dreaming
Clyde
December 19th, 2010
7:02 pm
BooBoo in Phoenix been smoking on some of that BooBoo.
Grandad
December 19th, 2010
7:14 pm
PHX wants desperately to get rid of Childress.
Childress cannot come back to the Hawks.
Other than that Win/Win!
I’ll believe BooBoo when I hear it from a *credible source.
Maybe when *Ranger Smith tweets it, I’ll believe it.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
7:14 pm
Clyde,
FIRE WOODY
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
7:16 pm
“”In the first quarter we had good ball movement,” Johnson said. “We were getting into the teeth of the defense and making the game easy. After that, for whatever reason, we stopped doing that.”"”
LOL no “I”…. always “We”
FIRE SUND
Tyrone
December 19th, 2010
7:16 pm
My cousin is in the loop. Pheonix like Atlanta is Broke. However, the different is Atlanta is not as heavily in debt as Pheonix. That’s why the are collecting cash (million from Orlando) and # 1 picks. # 1s are cheaper than veteran players. There’s serect why Pheonix take Vince; his contract expires this season. Moreover, it is clearer that Steve Nash will not be a part of a playoff Pheonix team that makes any noise; his 36 years old and his fortunes are few. Childress has not produced and HIll is 37; clearly they don’t want Marivin and his salary. Jamal and MO repersent almost 13 millions in expiring contracts this season and the Hawks’ # 1 would give them 3 in next year’s draft. Don’t forget the million in cash they demanding.
Now, does their desires seems to be out of whack. They have given up on this season and are planning for the future.
O'Brien
December 19th, 2010
7:24 pm
Dennis Scott said the same thing northcyde has been saying. JJ needs to STOP taking 3’s. period. He was 1-6 today, 1-6 against Charlotte, and for the season, he is 23-94 (24%).
Lots of blame to go around. But the bottom line is we lose again. Of the Nets 8 wins, 2 have come against the Hawks SMH.
Ron
December 19th, 2010
7:31 pm
Tyrone,
The trades you mention make sense for financial reasons, but unless Nash himself asks or a trade, I can’t imagine the Suns trading him. He’s their marquee player, he’s the guy that people pay to see when they go to Suns games. I can’t imagine them trading their franchise player at this point, since he is really all that they have left. For financial and future building reasons, the trade makes sense, but from a marketing standpoint, I’m not sure it makes much sense. At any rate, I hope that the trade rumor is indeed true, because Jamal, Mo, and a 1st round pick with cash is not a huge amount to give up for the Hawks. They’ve proven that they can win without Jamal and Mo is basically a third-string role-player at this point. I think the injury to his knee and the following surgery really slowed him down. In terms of draft picks, I don’t think the Hawks can expect to get much.
On the other hand, if the Hawks were to trade Bibby and Williams, it’s still a decent trade, although it leaves the team with a bit of a whole at the 3, but it is easier at this point to get a quality starting SF than it is to get a quality PG, and the Hawks don’t really need all that much out of the SF position with the way the roster is constructed now. I wouldn’t mind getting Childress to come back to the Hawks as a bonus in this sort of trade, either, but I know that he wouldn’t be happy with that.
At any rate, I hope that a trade is indeed in the works.
O'Brien
December 19th, 2010
7:32 pm
Najeh,
If Vick had played every game, I think he would be leading the MVP race, because despite him missing games, their numbers are close (although Brady hasnt played yet tonight).
Brady: 3400 yards, 29 TDs, 4 ints,
Vick: 3126 yards (total), 24 TDs, 4 ints.
But Brady has played much better teams. Jets twice, Ravens, Steelers, Bears, Colts etc.
Vick is Comeback POY
Wreckmaniac
December 19th, 2010
7:32 pm
With Arenas joining Orlando, the Hawks are guaranteed no playoff spot this season.
YoDaddy
December 19th, 2010
10:39 pm
we need to trade somebody
Michael McBride
December 20th, 2010
1:18 am
Why is Bibby still getting over 40 minutes of playing time?? LD needs to start Teague over Bibby and let him loose. Also Williams is a complete bust in my opinion and needs to come off the bench or be traded. Maybe we can get more production out of Williams if he didn’t start. I really frustrated when I see every team in our division made significant moves to make their team better and all we did was overpay for JJ. I am done with the Hawks. I used to attend 20 to 30 home games a year, but not anymore until the management and coaches start doing their jobs and have these guys ready to compete every night.
Michael McBride
December 20th, 2010
1:24 am
Obrien, figure in Vick’s rushing stats and the fact the Eagles were supposed to be rebuilding this year then I think Vick should be ahead in the MVP race. Buy Brady and Manning are the poster boys for the league so Brady will more than likely win.
slimjr
December 20th, 2010
1:26 am
Marvin too soft to win you Championships as a focal shooter. Now bring him off the bench like he played in Carolina maybe..Naw just trade his WNBA butt asap!!
slimjr
December 20th, 2010
1:33 am
Its a wrap for the HawkS,2 STINKING LOSES TO THE LOWLY NETS!!!! WHERE WAS MARVIN??? THE 3 STOOGES DO IT AGAIN?? CANT GET IT DONE IN THE 4TH QUARTER? WHAT ELSE IS NEW IN ATLANTA?? NOTHIN
MARVIN FOR DWILL
JOSH FOR RUDY GAY
RICK SUND=BILLY KNIGHT JR
slimjr
December 20th, 2010
1:37 am
THE HAWKS DONT NEED ANOTHER 6′8″SF(J CHILDRESS) WITH NO JUMP SHOT!!! THAT WAS A FAILED EXPERIMENT 4 YEARS AGO….
steven
December 20th, 2010
8:54 pm
why is this trash on instead of the thrashers game