Atlanta Hawks at Nets: Magic make moves; Hawks wait and see

Newark–The Magic come to Philips Arena tomorrow with a whole new look. Hard to tell what it will mean for Atlanta’s division rival until we see how Orlando’s new pieces come together.

“They add guys that can shoot the ball,” L.D. said. “But they got rid of guys that can shoot it, as well. I was very surprised that they pulled the trigger on it. I had heard about but it just surprised me that they pulled the trigger.”

My initial reaction is that the Magic probably got better on the perimeter but without Gortat will have issues in the frontcourt when Dwight gets into foul trouble. The former just means the Hawks will have the same challenges as always in defending the Magic; the latter means the Magic (as presently constructed) will have to go small when Dwight is on the bench and that helps the Hawks.

J-Rich is a more versatile scorer than VC. Arenas comes with a bad knee and baggage but he says he’s ready to come off the bench and so will immediately fill a need for Orlando. Turkoglu had fallen off since leaving Orlando but perhaps a return to his playmaking role will rejuvenate him.

“Turkoglu has always been a tough guard because he has size and he can handle the ball,” L.D. said. “But I think it remains to be seen with the other guys. Both Carter and Rashard Lewis are guys that have always played well against us as far as making shots. Them getting Turokglu and Richardson and Arenas they add three guys who are just as potent from the outside. I think it just becomes a matter of whether the chemistry works out, and that just remains to be seen as they play with one another and get a feel for one another.”

Even after their recent struggles, the Magic are in a virtual tie in the standings with the Hawks. They had a good team before the moves.

“It definitely surprised me,” Marvin said. “They moved their whole team. I guess they have a vision how they want things and they thought it wasn’t working. They had to change it up, I guess. They could have gotten better. They bring Richardson in who averages 20. Hedo had a monster season when he was there the year they got to the Finals. You never know how it will work out.”

The consensus seems to be that the Magic made the move to appease Dwight and also in reaction to the Celtics and Heat streaking.

From Mike Bianchi of the Orlando Sentinel:

We don’t know if these trades will work or not, but what we do know is this: The Magic were not going to win anything by standing pat. This team is 16-10, has lost six of its last seven and is 3-6 against opponents with .500 records or better. It was becoming increasingly evident the Magic could not compete for a championship with a slumping Rashard Lewis and an aging Vince Carter in the lineup.

Replace “slumping Rashard Lewis” with “inconsistent Marvin Williams,” and “aging Vince Carter” with “aging Mike Bibby” and couldn’t he be talking about the Hawks?

Jamal out, Joe a go

Jamal will sit out his third consecutive game with a sore back. L.D. said J.J. was good the day after his return.

“He didn’t complain about anything,” Drew said. “He said it felt fine. No soreness. He said it felt good.”

Drew said he didn’t anticipate that it would take long for Joe to get back in the flow.

“It’s just a matter of him getting his timing back, getting his rhythm back,” he said. “Anytime you miss a few games it is always a little difficult at the beginning of regaining that rhythm and that timing. I am certain that he will get it back.”

MC

202 comments Add your comment

Melvin

December 19th, 2010
1:12 pm

bigdave,

where u at?

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:13 pm

interested in seeing if Joe still plays w/ the bounce he played w/ Fri

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:13 pm

in da’ building..

lets get it sir..

Melvin

December 19th, 2010
1:14 pm

4 fouls on the Hawks in less than a min of playing time…

Melvin

December 19th, 2010
1:15 pm

Aight bigdave is here, it’s go time..

Melvin

December 19th, 2010
1:18 pm

Bibby needs to go around the pick instead of running into the pick

northcyde

December 19th, 2010
1:20 pm

Now surely Drew is NOT going to leave Josh Smith on the bench for the rest of the half. Surely not.

He should come back in at the 7 min mark of the 2nd, or if by some unfortunatel reason the Hawks start to struggle big time.

Good post up by JJ . . . Drew should call a lot more post ups for him. He can score and find the open man . . . just like he did with Marvin.

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:21 pm

man I need a job im always bloggin on ajc 24/7

Ron

December 19th, 2010
1:23 pm

I can already tell that Joe Johnson is back in the lineup. He’s taken nearly 50% of the field goal attempts for the team already.

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:27 pm

yea.. definitely need a job on Sunday afternoons .. Saturday nights.. and weekdays around 7..

yea thats the lifestyle i desire..

haha..

Ramon

December 19th, 2010
1:27 pm

I love the energy that Joe is playing with though. H’es moving almost like he’s athletic. I haven’t seen him move this quick in 2-3 seasons.

Bailey

December 19th, 2010
1:30 pm

There’s been a lot of really hot shooting by both teams so far. This is like watching Phoenix play New York. The Hawks needs to pick up their energy on defense a bit more, and I would stop trying to double Lopez. Make him at least score against you consistently before you start doubling. On the offensive end though, the Hawks look pretty fluid when the ball moves. There was a bit too much JJ isolation at the beginning, but I’m seeing more motion now.

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
1:30 pm

why is josh on the bench? foul trouble?

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:32 pm

noticed the same thing Friday Ramon..

Joe plays like that sometimes then maybe fatigue sets it and he plays w/ less bounce. i dont know..

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
1:32 pm

lol lopez and collins bout to fight

GT Alum

December 19th, 2010
1:34 pm

Of course, the Hawks wait and see. That’s the Hawks philosophy. At least in the days of Mookie, Smitty and Deek, the Hawks were trying to improve their glaring weakness at the SF position. The current Hawks are like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. They’re missing at least one major piece, yet they keep saying, “It’s just a flesh wound,” and trying to address it with Band-Aids.

The Magic trade demonstrates the difference between an organization that is dedicated to winning, and an organization that is happy with just being good, and isn’t willing to take the risks necessary to be great.

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:35 pm

lets see the difference b/t Ld and Woodson..

what would Larry draw up with 2 secs left..

Melvin

December 19th, 2010
1:36 pm

Ramon/bigdave,

I was saying the same thing about Joe. Seem like he’s driving to the paint more…

It was not a bad pick

December 19th, 2010
1:38 pm

trading Marvin would be the dumbest s^&* i have ever seen….You draft the guy 2nd and never make him a focal point of the offense…wow.

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
1:40 pm

Marvin needs to get out of atlanta…I dont know anyone who thinks marvin shouldnt be traded

lp

December 19th, 2010
1:42 pm

This looks like the old joe

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
1:42 pm

avery johnson needs a haircut

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
1:43 pm

wow marvin just sucks..

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:43 pm

instead of pulling up, id like to see Marvin go ahead and take it to the cup..

Blue Moon Odem

December 19th, 2010
1:43 pm

A bad pick would be Drew for coach

northcyde

December 19th, 2010
1:44 pm

These refs are trippin. Stop blowing the whistle on both sides for every little touch.

lp

December 19th, 2010
1:44 pm

Can’t trade marvin, he looks like a player when getting shots

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:45 pm

i like what im seeing from Jeff of late..

make yourself demand a cover.. he was self checked. i like that he’s looking for scoring opportunities.. that opens up his playmaking game..

O'Brien

December 19th, 2010
1:46 pm

2 foul rule for Josh too?

At least the Hawks are playing well. We need to slow down Devin though.

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:48 pm

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
1:48 pm

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
1:48 pm

I want to see more driving from this team…too many jump shots…and marvin just looks horrible trying to crossover and drive

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
1:49 pm

bibby been turning the ball over a lot with dumb careless passes the last few games

O'Brien

December 19th, 2010
1:53 pm

J.J.M.,

Josh had 2 fouls in the first minute of play.

it was not a bad pick,

Let it go dude. Marvin has potential. But JJ has to be the focal point. 3 time all star, third team All NBA.

There are numerous players who have been taken with very high picks who are not focal points of offense.

LD needs to give Teague some more minutes to try and apply some perimeter pressure. Their guards are killing us.

northcyde

December 19th, 2010
1:54 pm

LOL Bibby . . . that’s the 3rd lazy pass this game.

O'Brien

December 19th, 2010
1:55 pm

So no 2 foul rule for Josh. Which I agree with. There should not be a 2 foul rule for Al either.

And who does Josh think he is? A behind the back, step back jumper? Air Ball.

O'Brien

December 19th, 2010
1:56 pm

3 turnovers for Bibby. And 2 turnovers for ZaZa in 2 minutes.

Jae Evolution

December 19th, 2010
1:57 pm

Josh tries too hard to play like a Guard sometimes…

Rev in Tampa

December 19th, 2010
1:58 pm

I was watching the Hawks on channelsurfing.net, but it just got blocked. Is anybody else having this problem? Is there somewhere else I can watch it?

northcyde

December 19th, 2010
1:59 pm

What’s up with Smith ducking when he’s runnng out to a shooter? When did he start doing that ish? He needs to stop that. Get your hands up dude.

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
2:02 pm

let what go? marvin sucks…hawks fan page on facebook all people do is bash marvin its not just me…and thanks for the josh info

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
2:02 pm

im encouraged by the ball movement.. just gotta knock down the looks..

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
2:02 pm

yessssss keep it up ravens

northcyde

December 19th, 2010
2:03 pm

JJ should never take a 3 ever again. Amazing that he can’t make open 3s anymore. That shot look like Smith’s airball earlier in the game.

The 3 is not your friend JJ.

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
2:07 pm

which trips me out because there was a report friday that he took 50 3’s or something like that and missed 4 in testing out elbow..

J.J.M

December 19th, 2010
2:08 pm

northcyde

December 19th, 2010
2:09 pm

LOL . . what a sloppy game. Too early in the day I guess.

bigdave

December 19th, 2010
2:09 pm

Joe is facilitating.. going quick, playing w/in offense and setting guys up. just not hitting shots.. Joe critics, dont be surprised if he starts solely looking for his offense..

especially w/ the misses and turnover piling up..

Jrue5

December 19th, 2010
2:09 pm

Jsmoove been inconsistent lately….I wonder why?
I heard Jsmoove has $ problems…he’s selling one of his houses.

O'Brien

December 19th, 2010
2:10 pm

11 turnovers for the Hawks already.