Hawks 90, Bobcats 85
Greetings, all
Ken Sugiura sitting in for MC again. Michael stayed up in the northeast rather than bounce back down here for one game. He’ll be back with the team Sunday for the much-anticipated tilt with the Nets. Hmm, Sunday game at 1 p.m. I wonder if anything else will be on TV at that time?
The story, obviously, was the return of your favorite four-time All-Star. Joe Johnson surprised everyone when he showed up to the arena and wanted to give it a go. In recent days, Johnson had been working out and shooting on his own and was not feeling pain, which was encouraging to Larry Drew. Still, he wasn’t anticipating this quick a recovery.
Actually, the Hawks had their walkthrough before the game Friday without him. But he was shooting 3-pointers without pain, and he shot so well against assistant coach Nick Van Exel Thursday that he joked about getting on a plane to play in Boston. When he told Marvin Williams before the game Friday that he wanted to suit up, Williams didn’t believe him.
You can say what you want about him, but it was fairly clear to me talking to him and others how much he means to this team. He sounded very sincere in his desire to get back to the court as quickly as he could, and teammates like Williams and Mike Bibby sounded very glad to have him back, not just in a way they’d be glad to have any teammate back, but to have their leader return.
“That was another main factor why I wanted to come back,” Johnson said of the team’s recent downturn, “to help these guys. We’re all we’ve got in this room.”
I don’t anticipate a relapse on the injury. He got banged around a bit and held up fine.
- Which brings us to Jamal Crawford, who sat out his second game in a row with a back injury. Drew said he was told it was a disc problem, Crawford said it was spasms. He said his back locked up against Detroit and he tried to play through it without success.
He said it was feeling better and that he anticipated getting back against New Jersey or Orlando at the latest. Obviously, though, a back injury is not to be trifled with and something that can often get re-aggravated. Hopefully, some rest will be helpful for Crawford. The Hawks have some testy matchups coming up — Orlando on Monday, at New Orleans Dec. 26, at Oklahoma City New Year’s Eve — and it wouldn’t hurt for them to be at full strength.
- One positive the Hawks got out of Crawford being sidelined, though, was the play of Jeff Teague. I think MC might have covered this after the Boston game, but Teague said that with both Crawford and Johnson out against Boston, he felt responsible to pick up his game and play aggressively. I’m planning to cover this in a story for Monday’s paper.
He kept at it tonight with a real strong finish in the third quarter. I was watching him fairly closely, and I think this is a fairly accurate rundown of the possessions.
- Screen from Al Horford, finds Josh Powell alone under the basket, who gets fouled.
- Drives the lane, fouled by Derek Brown. Same possession, pick and pop with Horford, who hits from the free-throw line.
- Screen from Horford, Teague hits from free-throw line.
- On Charlotte’s ensuing possession, stays in front of shaking-and-baking D.J. Augustin, preventing him from driving. Augustin passes off to Tyrus Thomas, who chucks up a 3-point attempt airball as Charlotte has a 24-second violation.
- On final possession of the quarter, gets inbounds pass, dribbles upcourt, goes behind the back and pulls up for a buzzer-beating jumper over Augustin.
And then in the fourth quarter, he had that ridiculous block against the glass of Derrick Brown. He was in for 15 minutes total. I’m going to guess his 40 minutes back-to-back might be a career-best for him with the exception of games he’s started and then final regular-season game against Cleveland last year.
- Some numbers: Charlotte’s 18 offensive rebounds were the most against the Hawks this year, but the Bobcats only had nine second-chance points. Hawks had 27 fast-break points. Hawks went to the line just 13 times, fewest in the past six games.
Zaza Pachulia had a two-minute stint early after Horford got in foul trouble, got his own two quick whistles and didn’t go back in. All the Hawks starters were in double figures. Former Hawk Boris Diaw had 22 points, almost double his season average. Looks like he’s put on a little weight.
Hawks never trailed. Hawks took 25 3-pointers, the second-highest total of the season, making only six. Josh Smith, Mo Evans and Johnson were a combined 1-for-12. Hawks had eight blocks, one below season best. Teague had two, Smith and Horford had three.
- This isn’t exactly new territory, but it’s hard to believe Kwame Brown was once a No. 1 overall pick. I talked with someone within the past year who knew Brown in high school – I forget who but I’m not making it up – and he said basically that Brown just never was that into basketball. I imagine that can be something of a disadvantage in the pursuit of a professional basketball career.
I was looking at his Wikipedia page. Did you know about the incident in which he allegedly threw a cake at someone? Kind of funny, though strange. Rather interesting that Michael Jordan would sign him again after drafting him in Washington, and also that Brown wanted to go to Jordan’s team, although perhaps the options weren’t many. That’d be like if Billy Knight got a job somewhere and signed Shelden Williams.
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360 comments Add your comment
northcyde
December 18th, 2010
2:11 am
LOL @ that BK comment about Shelden. That was funny KS. Good write-up.
northcyde
December 18th, 2010
2:23 am
I’ve criticized Teague heavily over the past season and a half, but he gets props from me in these last 2 games. He’s looking to make an impact during the game . . while a game is still close.
And that leads me to this. What is Drew going to do when Jamal comes back? Teague needs to control the offense, if we’re going to get anything out of him. But if Jamal controls the ball, he’ll never get to do that.
Drew keeps saying that he wants Teague to step up. But for him to do that, he’s going to have to get Jamal to play without the ball some. Not totally, but definitely less than what he is accustomed to. Let Teague run the offense and find Jamal for open shots . . . not let Jamal dribble around like a Globetrotter, and then for him to take a shot.
If Drew doesn’t give Teague control, he’s not going to develop like people want him to. I don’t think Teague has the confidence to just take control himself. He needs the green light from Drew, and he needs Jamal to let him have control.
Don’t be surprised if Teague goes back to sukking, if when Jamal comes back he goes back to taking control of the ball, with Teague playing off the ball.
lewis
December 18th, 2010
2:34 am
jj back to early
i dont know why he’s back
obviously he’s lying about pain
tjhook
December 18th, 2010
2:56 am
We need Teague to be more assertive because he can force all of our players to make better shot decisions.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
3:12 am
“Former Hawk Boris Diaw had 22 points, almost double his season average. Looks like he’s put on a little weight.”
Every time I see him it looks like he’s put on a little weight. At this rate by the time he retires dude’s going to look like Oliver Miller. I remember when he was a Hawk he was actually on the skinny side.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 18th, 2010
4:41 am
Oliver Miller Sighting!
OMG, I just had a flash back of the original “Big-Baby”. HaHa ..
What ever happened to Oliver & “Big Country” Reeves?
The only white boy who ever crushed a back board.
That was great Najeh … Watchu know about that man, you’re too young!
eastlaketb
December 18th, 2010
8:00 am
Hopefully now we can see how the new lineup will lookk with j.collins/center al/pf j.smith/sf j.j/sg & bibby/pg
It was not a bad pick
December 18th, 2010
8:25 am
Good game overall..welcome back JOE MAX….Marvin was held back last night from unleashing his top 5 talent but still came up with 16 and 8…nice game..could have went for 30 easily if he was given the shots….
jgsbrids
December 18th, 2010
8:35 am
wow guys i was at our family christmas party and my nephew said that “that” guy looked like oliver miller. i didn’t even know my nephew remembered oliver miller and now to hear you guys talk about it is hilarious that we were talking about that guy last night as well.
dap01
December 18th, 2010
8:43 am
Teague is our only hope of improving this year. We have to have defense and we have to have the ability to break down a defense. Those are two things that Teague has the ability to do.
Our coaching is better than last year.
Our interior defense is improving with LD playing bigs like Collins more.
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
9:08 am
The hawks barely got past a very weak team, Horford needs to go to defensive school. The dude sucks defensively regardless if hes trying to play forward or center. Moving josh to help horford weakens the hawks defensively.
bottom line?
Hawks suck!
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
9:09 am
With out joe hawks lose last night to a weak team….again… like Detroit or NJ
again
Hawks suck
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:01 am
WE NEED TO REBOUND THE BALL BETTER
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:02 am
Alright, Joe Johnson, save the hero bullsh#t. I give you all the props in the world for coming back so soon. It’s ballsy and shows you do care about this team. Just save me the bullsh#t that the main reason you came back was to help the other Hawks have success. Without a max deal you would have hit the road. Let’s just make sure that does not get lost in the shuffle.
Tomorrow’s game will be telling. Road game, against a team that has a bad record but is better than their record suggests, with Orlando looming on Monday night. Classic trouble game for the Hawks.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:04 am
Najeh and drmaryb, Boris Diaw looks awful. He played well last night, I guess. But, I should not be in better shape than an NBA player. That is pathetic. The guy looks like the hacks I see at the Smyrna open gyms.
J from the A
December 18th, 2010
10:15 am
Plus’s
The Hawks won
Joe is a true leader (regardless of what you crab-@** fans think)
Teague looking good on both ends of the court
Minus’s
WTF is up with giving up all those offensive rebounds
J from the A
December 18th, 2010
10:16 am
Oh, and Marvin had a decent game … he did miss an important 3-point attempt in the 4th and had an untimely turnover shortly after that attempt … but other than that he stayed within his role and performed well.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:40 am
If Marvin can string together a few more solid games, can we then ship him and Bibby for a real point guard while he’s still hot?
It was good to see Joe struggle a bit and still get 16, which is what he was pretty much averaging before the injury
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:41 am
We better hope this ORL/WAS trade goes through if any transpires and that ORL gets Arenas (Joe will destroy him).
A much more dangerous trade for the rest of the East is if ORL is able to pry Jason Richardson (the most underrated player in the NBA besides Manu Ginobili) from PHX or even Hedo Turkoglu
The Truth
December 18th, 2010
11:02 am
“Teague said that with both Crawford and Johnson out against Boston, he felt responsible to pick up his game and play aggressively”
Perhaps we have discovered the real source of Teague’s problems. Kind of like when a kid continue to live with his parents after becoming an adult. In order for him to realize his full potential, he must move out of the house and claim responsibility for himself. Perhaps in the last 2 games with the absence of both JJ and Jamal, Teague has finally move past “rook”, claim more responsibility and is now starting to realized his full potential. He is showing a swagger of confidence that I have seen since the beginning of his arrival as a Hawk. But before we celebrate, we’ll see how consistent he show since he still needs work of his TO issues. As a PG, the greatest sin he can commit are TO’s and being careless with the ball. So we’ll call these last two games flashes of promise for Jeff Teague.
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:04 am
Attendance is down(significantly) from last year or the year before…. can some one explain why no one whats to see ase hawks?
We need a coach and a center…rebound? what are you thinking? rebounds implies misses. You dont miss 65% of the time in the paint with horford as center…
Get real.
The team suck, and the attendance is down, Hawks are a joke.
what the fk the coaching suck too.
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:06 am
FIRE WOODY
THIS TEAM IS GOING DOWN!
Sherewshevsky
December 18th, 2010
11:12 am
I like what northcyde says about Teague and Jamal. And about confidence. Clearly, Teague lacks some confidence. It’s written all over his face during games I watch in person and on TV. He has to be given a chance to play without recrimination.
But getting him more playing time will always be hard with the composition of this team and its need to win games.
Teague is in same position as A.C. Law was. The Hawks aren’t bad enough to get him more PT, and he’s not good enough to warrant it (e.g. Denver’s Lawson) on a team fighting for better playoff position.
Alas….
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:14 am
that fag got has had 2 seasons of coaching and playing with some of the best in the nba, a scrub by any other name is still a scrub.
Sherewshevsky
December 18th, 2010
11:14 am
I should have added that I think The Truth makes a good point as well. So much of this great game is psychological.
Fan
December 18th, 2010
11:14 am
Attendance is down because they have the same team they had last year. There gm was let go in Milwaukee and Seattle there ownership is unstable. Joe Johnson didn’t want to play here until they gave him that max contract which will hurt the team for along time.
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:15 am
and a.c. law is still a scrub too.
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:17 am
Cant blame joe. I wouldn’t want to play here either. this team is content with medicracy. There played at their best the past two years under Woodson and if management had got them a center and a point they would have competed for a championship.
Its all down hill now.
lottery in 3
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:25 am
almost every where sund has went the teams collapsed not long afterwords.
His best was Dallas who is always good but never great. They, like the hawks lack a true center and they like the hawks have an undersized Dirk shooting bomb rather than protecting the rim. Dallas will never win and neither will the hawks.
Most of sunds teams had to restructure or build through the lottery once he left. This guy who by default hired Drew was the same brain that hired Bob Weiss.
Lottery in 3. .
drmaryb (*_*)
December 18th, 2010
11:25 am
The Beach Boys!
Miami Heat is Hot! Why do they choose black road unis? Seems like Miami would don a bright color – Why so dark? Just wondering. But that 3rd Qrtr was
Nasty their defense is very sticky. Like “Laffy – Taffy” they should play that song on their PA System.
NYK ahead of The Hawks? IDK @ that? Hawks should really gain on the bulls too with Noah out. But we need to focus on our Defense majorly.
We have a ton of Offensive players, but our defense comes and goes.
Last night we had 8 steals? I hope we build on that.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
11:26 am
Marvin has actually been in double figures 4 of the last 5 games in scoring.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
11:28 am
I see why the Hawks look to JJ for leadership. It was obvious at Boston that Josh is not that leader. Good player, but disappeared in the Garden. Hasn’t made a FG vs. the Celtics in 2 games this year.
doc
December 18th, 2010
11:29 am
proud of jj for coming back as he did in shocking fashion
most into the game the crowd got was for the t shirt gun
the “entertainment” during time outs and half time are pathetic. i decided to boo the silly audience participation crap they are putting out there. fortunwtely the fans are disinterestd in it and hopefully it will disappear. somehow the asg needs to pit more into the complete experience.
solid b- performance against a very bad team. surprised larry hasnt lost interest yet and moved on into retirement. reall bad team especially without wallace. how can we get him?
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:31 am
Boston 21 4 0.840 0.0 17-2 6-1 11-1 10-3 10-0 W 12
Miami 20 8 0.714 2.5 14-4 4-1 12-3 8-5 10-0 W 11
Chicago 16 8 0.667 4.5 5-4 3-0 10-2 6-6 8-2 W 7
Orlando 16 9 0.640 5.0 12-4 5-2 9-3 7-6 5-5 L 1
Atlanta 17 11 0.607 5.5 13-7 4-2 9-5 8-6 6-4 W 1
New York 16 11 0.593 6.0 10-6 4-3 6-7 10-4 8-2 L 2
Indiana 12 13 0.480 9.0 8-7 3-3 7-6 5-7 4-6 W 1
Milwaukee 10 14 0.417 10.5 7-5 2-2 7-5 3-9 5-5 L 1
Philadelphia 10 16 0.385 11.5 7-12 3-3 8-6 2-10 7-3 L 1
New York will finish higher than the hawks. They made serious moves in the off season and will gel and hit a stride down the road. Look for the hawks to finish 6 or 7 with a signature 1 and done. from Drew.
doc
December 18th, 2010
11:35 am
yes dmb miami is just hitting their stride and they are going to be tougher and tougher to score on. labron with triple double and about 85 points from their big three. imposing their will more and more. i wonder when someone is goung to dangle the notion in front of he queen to go after the big o’ s record of being the only man to avg a triple double for a season which he did twice. lsbron is the only guy capable of doing it and could with two great finishers in wade and bosh. look out ken s yoir prophecy against miami is crumbling.
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:37 am
With the soft part of the schedule behind them and roughly 1/3 of the season behind them the hawks are on past to finish 48-34.
The schedule get tougher in the second half. Im holding with my prediction of 44-47 wins and 1 and done.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
11:38 am
Hope JJ coming back early doesn’t hurt him, we certainly need him to be healthy for the long haul. Interesting stats:
JJ is averaging 2.8 shots attempted per game less than last season.
Josh Smith is down pretty significantly in rebounding this season 8.3 compared to 8.8 last season. Same goes for Assists, 3.8 this season, 4.2 last. He’s identical in scoring and blocks.
Jamal is averaging 2.5 less shots per game this season than last. No wonder his scoring is down.
And Jeff Teague is 5th on the team with a PER of 15.1, just behind Jamal with a 15.6 per and JJ at 16.1. I say let the dude play!
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:43 am
.5 is an half a rebound, his minutes are down and hes spending more time at the sf to make room for that guy who says he doesnt want to play center any more. 4.2 -3.8 =.4 thats point four. Do you do analysis often? There if very little differences in Josh’s numbers. What are you smoking?
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:49 am
2010-11 BLOCKS LEADERS : Blocks Per Game
PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG BLK PF BLKPG BLKP48M BLK/PF
1
Andrew Bogut , MIL
18 35.5 56 58 3.11 4.21 .97
2
Darko Milicic , MIN
26 25.8 67 82 2.58 4.79 .82
3
Dwight Howard , ORL
23 35.1 54 79 2.35 3.21 .68
4
JaVale McGee , WAS
24 27.7 55 71 2.29 3.97 .78
5
Pau Gasol , LAL
27 38.9 59 61 2.18 2.69 .97
6
Roy Hibbert , IND
25 29.7 51 82 2.04 3.3 .62
7
Emeka Okafor , NOH
26 30.6 48 80 1.85 2.89 .6
8
Samuel Dalembert , SAC
22 20.6 39 55 1.77 4.12 .71
9
Marcus Camby , POR
27 28.2 47 67 1.74 2.96 .7
10
Al Jefferson , UTA
27 35.7 45 70 1.67 2.24 .64
11
Joakim Noah , CHI
24 36.8 39 77 1.62 2.12 .51
12
Brook Lopez , NJN
27 35.3 41 92 1.52 2.07 .45
13
Tyson Chandler , DAL
25 26.8 35 84 1.4 2.5 .42
14
Channing Frye , PHX
25 31.5 34 101 1.36 2.07 .34
15
Joel Anthony , MIA
26 16.4 35 68 1.35 3.95 .52
15
Marc Gasol , MEM
26 32.9 35 95 1.35 1.97 .37
17
DeAndre Jordan , LAC
27 21.4 34 83 1.26 2.82 .41
18
Nazr Mohammed , CHA
25 17.9 29 56 1.16 3.12 .52
19
Brendan Haywood , DAL
25 19.2 27 57 1.08 2.7 .47
20
Spencer Hawes , PHI
26 20.2 27 66 1.04 2.47 .41
21
Zydrunas Ilgauskas , MIA
28 18.2 28 84 1.0 2.63 .33
22
Ben Wallace , DET
26 24.9 25 37 .96 1.85 .68
23
Al Horford , ATL
Atl 2010
December 18th, 2010
11:49 am
JJ SURGERY REAL??????????????????
JJ BACK SO EARLY?????????????????
HUMMMM
JJ SURGERY REAL??????????????????
JJ BACK SO EARLY?????????????????
HUMMMM
JJ SURGERY REAL??????????????????
JJ BACK SO EARLY?????????????????
HUMMMM
JJ SURGERY REAL??????????????????
JJ BACK SO EARLY?????????????????
HUMMMM
JJ SURGERY REAL??????????????????
JJ BACK SO EARLY?????????????????
HUMMMM
drmaryb (*_*)
December 18th, 2010
11:49 am
Grim Reapers!
Yeah doc, them black unis are beginning to look scary and gothic out there on the court. T-Shirt Guns? R U Kinndin’ me? That is so 1980’s! Shoot the fans a wad of money or a pack of court-side game tickets so they come back.
ASKG has never put ANY money into marketing. And, like doc said, “Where is the Game Experience?” Half-Time should roll out some of ATL’s famous enterainers (musically). I remember we used to have post-game concerts!
That would really pack Phillips! Anything to supplement poor play.
If we could just play Defense like when Lenny was here against The MJ Bulls, when we had:
Smitty
Mookie
Dikembie
Plastic Man – Stacy Augmon
I long for that level of Defense!
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
11:50 am
Thats among centers
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
11:50 am
I really just don’t feel comfortable seeing Bibby out there at the end of the game
.
This team DOES NOT need a center as much as it needs a FACILITATOR WHO CAN CONSISTENTLY FIND OPEN PLAYERS
Our offense was just horrendous to watch in the 4th quarter. EVERYONE stood still and Marvin actually hit a few nice shots.
WE NEED A POINT GUARD.
LOWRY, TJ FORD, COLLISON, AARON BROOKS, MONTA ELLIS, MO WILLIAMS
We NEED a point guard NOW
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
11:51 am
LOL @ that BS during the timeouts where the crowd was supposed to move its hands to one side if it wanted to listen to a song or another
WTF was that BS?
ATL FAN
December 18th, 2010
11:55 am
Agree JeJe, we need a true PG, this team will go no where in the playoffs without one
ryan
December 18th, 2010
12:11 pm
Bobcats and Trail Blazers will have players on the block Orlando close to getting Gilbert Arenas . Hawks have to make a move if they want to compete .
hahhahah
December 18th, 2010
12:12 pm
A point guard wont stop the dunks on horford LMAOOoooo
northcyde
December 18th, 2010
12:15 pm
@ Najeh . . the guy you’re thinking about was Anthony “Pig” Miller. He was the Miller that played for the Hawks in the 90s, not Oliver Miller.
@ Jeje . . If Orlando acquires Arenas, it may destroy that team. They have a need for a “go-to guy”, but if they gamble on him, that could backfire big time. This also shows that in the future, even a contract like JJ’s can be valuable, as long as JJ stays a decent player. It’ll always be some team that will want a player, and in return give away some of their expiring contracts and/or scrubs to get him.
@ Drmaryb . . Yeah, you would think Miami would be a predominately red + some bright color like yellow, with their nickname being the “Heat”. They ought to have Kansas City Chief type looking unis.
Back in the day, the Blazers, Heat and Magic were the only teams wearing the Black unis. It was cool when only a few teams were wearing black. Then every team it seems went to the alternate Black Unis during the 90s
- Atlanta ( I hated that big azz Hawk in the front )
- Boston
- Chicago
- Charlotte
- Cleveland ( when they had the light blue color scheme )
- Indiana
- Minnesota
- NY Knicks
- Phoenix
- Utah
I probably left out somebody.
Jae Evolution
December 18th, 2010
12:21 pm
If Orlando acquires Gilbert Arenas, we should make a move for Jameer Nelson.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
12:50 pm
Getting Arenas means that ORL will not be able to defend the 2 at all.
I’ll say it again: if ORL is smart, they will HEAVILY pursue Jason Richardson, who is in a contract year. He can make 7 3’s on any given night and is a legit 25 ppg threat. Factor in that, an improved Dwight Howard, a healthy Jameer, and any production from Rashard and that team is damn scary. And the even scarier thing is that they could easily work a way to get back Hedo Turkoglu.
Orlando getting Jason Richardson could very well catapult Orlando to #1 in the East and get them to the Finals. Dude is an assassin on the court and is massively underrated
doc
December 18th, 2010
12:51 pm
jeje the a town dancers look as bad as me doing dance aerobics in the 80’s. just plain awful. so bad they rarely bring them out.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
12:51 pm
@northcyde,
In other words, I agree. But they are struggling now. The main problem is that Vince Carter just doesn’t care. Someone of his size and experience got destroyed by Melo the other night. I remember during the ECF Sekou tweeting about how Vince didn’t even care and let his man get right by him for the clinching baskets
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
12:53 pm
LOL @ doc.
Fans will show up for the big games and if this team starts winning consistently again.
We just don’t have a superstar appeal. Fans DO NOT go see Josh Smith play. HE WAS GETTING BOOED last night in the latter part of the 2nd half.
There are SO MANY struggling teams out there with QUALITY PGs we could EASILY nab.
Lowry, Udrih, Mo Williams, Monta Ellis, Darren Collison, TJ Ford
All of these guys make us better and we can survive trading Bibby and Marvin by increasing Damien’s minutes. Damien has shown glimpses of more offensive ingenuity than Marvin has (the Reggie Miller pumpfakes). Also, Damien always gives 100% effort and costs nothing
drmaryb (*_*)
December 18th, 2010
1:04 pm
Jae Evolution
But if Jameer can’t take all that Magic to the big dance?
Where would he take us. We don’t have a Superman here.
I think the Magic feel that Jameer is always hurt when you need him and they are looking over the fences at Miami and Boston and are getting scared.
One think about carrying a 94M payroll and being in the Luxury Tax realm?
Losing is not tolerated very well at all and is not an option.
Heads must roll and someone must pay for all that losing.
Matt Barnes was not the reason they lost though.
Boston’s Defense had a lot to do with that.
doc
December 18th, 2010
1:12 pm
i laughed when folks said vince was the missng piece. they did themselves in on that guy. he will get his championship as a piece player late in his career if at all. he is not a gamer in spite of all his talent.
Wally Walker
December 18th, 2010
1:16 pm
JeJe and Ryan, y’all right, in the era of no great centers the need for a true PG becomes even more inmportant. The above metioned PGs will help to improve this team greatly. Jamal or Marvin should be able command one of those PGs. I still look HInrich above all those PGs. Ellis is a head case and Mo Williams has choked in every big playoff series. Hinrich’s salary is 9 mil (2 years left). Maybe Bibby(5.7 mil -2 years) and MO’s expiring contract could do the trick. The Wizards want to dump salary and will still need a veteran PG. This trade will serve both team well.
The Hawks failed to make any suffiecient moves during off season. They must do something Big to improve the team and bring interest to the fans.
kred67
December 18th, 2010
1:38 pm
I try to follow the Hawks from Massachusetts, so forgive me if I’m asking something which is common knowledge down South. What’s going on with our rookie, Jordan Crawford? It’s bad enough that Drew won’t play him with all of our injured guards, but it’s even more mysterious that he’s not even dressed out. Any insight would be appreciated.
Cooley High
December 18th, 2010
1:47 pm
The reason Hawks attendance is down has 0 to do with Josh Smith. Hawks attendance is down because the educated fans know that this team is not going up but down with Sunds dogmatic approach of trying to win a championship with out a center. It aint happening.
Fans dont come out or care because you aint fooling us with horford as your center. The hawks did not advance because we dont have the strength in the post to compete in the half court style of championship play. The hawks did not address this clear weakness and the fans are making it known by not showing up.
Yes, people love Josh’s attacking the rim, and defensive superiority, but JJ and josh cant win if we dont have a center to anchor the defense. No offense to Al but we dont need his 20-footers but need him to play with his back to the rim and block the basket. Thats how you win championships. Not rolling out the red carpet to the basket.
Thats why attendance is down.
Atlanta Hawks, AKA THE GREAT PRETENDERS.
Cooley High
December 18th, 2010
1:54 pm
Its stupid to pick on Bibby whose in the last year of his contract and probably his career. Funny, even in his twilight he better than Teague. Just so you know how weak Turnover Teague is.
Shaq refused to come here to back up Horford. I can see his point.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
1:56 pm
HaHaHa – Josh is playing 5.37% less mpg than last season. His rebounds are down accordingly. His Assists are down 9.53% per game. My point is that it has been assumed by some on this blog that Josh has upped his game somewhat this season. This analysis shows his game is actually rather flat compared to last season to this point.
Also, Josh is taking .6 more shots per game, but still only making the same # of shots per game, hence his shot selection is worse, as is his FG% (From 50.5 to 48.3). He is also making it to the foul line significantly less ( 3.8 times per game this season, compared to 5.2 times per game last season).
I know he’s been playing more 3 than normal, but again, his game has not picked up in other areas to show that, besides his 3 point shooting %.
I like Josh, but he’s not playing significantly better this season than last it appears to me.
Josh’s last year PER 21.0. This season 20.6. And yes, I know the inaccuracies of per, but it is pretty useful as well.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
1:58 pm
Cooley High – Bibby has 1 more season left after this year at 6.237 mill. (’011-’012).
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
1:59 pm
SteveW, don’t waste your time responding to Hahahah…the guy is just an a$$hole trying to get people’s attention. Ignore him. Put him in the corner. He will go away.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
1:59 pm
Kred67 – We have JJ, Jamal, Mo’, Marvin, and Wilkens (and occasionally JT) all playing the 2 spot. He’s ok, but a work in progress. But he’s basically got so many vets in front of him, he’s not playing much.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
2:00 pm
Section 303 – Thanks
Rufus1
December 18th, 2010
2:02 pm
LOL….LOL Josh Childress Benched…for all you “GRASS IS GREENER” people. 5yr 35mil player riding the PINE.
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/12/17/20101217phoenix-suns-josh-childress-benching.html
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
2:03 pm
I wonder who the Magic would give up for Arenas? Maybe Bass and a 1st pick? I’m not sure.
ryan
December 18th, 2010
2:08 pm
Gerald Wallace and Tyrus Thomas who Hawks should look at .
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
2:09 pm
Here is a question for everyone. Not for trade purposes just discussion.
Would you rather have Jamal Crawford or Vince Carter?
ryan
December 18th, 2010
2:13 pm
Forget Mello but i think Hawks can get decent big men or PG with few teams trying to dump salary .
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
2:13 pm
How about Mo’ and our trade exception for Josh Childress? Throw in Etan, the Suns need a PF. Ok, give the Suns a couple of 2nd picks as well to sweeten the deal.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
2:14 pm
Ramon – at this point in their career it’s a close call, but give me Jamal. 5 years ago Vince and it’s not close.
Just the facts ma'am
December 18th, 2010
2:16 pm
The hawks are # 18 overall offensively, down 3 places from last years team which was tied with the world champion lakers at 15th
The hawks are near the bottom overall defensively at number 23.
What is strange is the hawks were near the bottom last year defensively yet signed a coach to bring in the, drum roll please, Princeton offense.LOL.
So this year the offense is worse and the defensive is still terrible. Imagine how bad the defense would be if Josh wasn’t here.
For those of you who want point guard, Atlanta is a + 2.68 in assist which means ball movement is not a problem.
Defense is .
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
2:22 pm
Its hard seeing Felton go crazy in NYK and not thinking that the Hawks could’ve made a push to sign him but didn’t. His speed from end to end has to be among the top in the league. Could you imagine him playing along side Joe, Josh, and Al? Bibby couldn’t truly push a fast break even if he wanted to, because he doesn’t have the speed anymore. Bibby’s best fast breaks are the half court lob passes to Josh. Think about it, when was the last time you saw Bibby lead a fast break end to end like other young pgs in the league. That could be the reason why Josh and Al doesn’t always give up the ball to Bibby at first.
I really think Houston would trade Brooks for a package if it included Zaza. That’s how weak they are at C now.
I could see Houston agreeing to:
Houston Gets:
Bibby
Zaza
Mo Evans
Atlanta gets:
Battier
Aaron Brooks
Hahahaha
December 18th, 2010
2:24 pm
“I like Josh, but he’s not playing significantly better this season than last it appears to me.”
Hes not playing worse, he playing good like he always does. Youve got me scratching my head trying to get some substance out of your point.
“Josh’s last year PER 21.0. This season 20.6. And yes, I know the inaccuracies of per, but it is pretty useful as well.”
Were talking .4 here… Help me out, Im sure there’s something to gain here but 21.0 and 20.6 are pretty much the same. In fact in school a 3.96 gets the same A and magma cum Laude As a 4.0.
Josh is a stud, dude. Who plays defense.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
2:25 pm
Steve, I just looked at the salaries, and Vince makes 7 mil more, lol. Not even close. But as far as players. For the Hawks, I may would say Vince. Because he can play the 2 and 3. And believe it or not, Vince would actually sell tickets in Atlanta, more than Jamal. And I like the way Vince plays (when he wants to lol) and draws fouls. Nevermind, I just talked myself out of Vince, lol.
Vince was the one person in league history who was just as talented as Kobe Bryant physically, if not more. He could’ve done anything he wanted to in the league. But he didn’t have the desire. If Vince had Kobe’s drive. Vince would have 2 or 3 rings right now.
ReddJonn68
December 18th, 2010
2:29 pm
I’ve had it with this team, the Magic are losing so they are doing every thing in their power to improve that team. Hell I wish we could find a GM with some guts,even with Joe this team is not strong enough to compete for an Eastern conference title. This organization is just going thru the motions, they are not trying to give true Hawks fans a better product. I just sick of just watching teams pass us by, I’ve had it. I love all Atlanta teams, but I refuse to wear or buy anymore Hawks merchandise until they try to improve our squad!
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
2:33 pm
Childress is HURT right now
LOL @ Orlando and their payroll. They have 25M more invested in their players and are DESPERATE to get better.
Sund and ASG have this illusion that this “core” will compete. Well, Sund just wants to be a top 4 team which I believe is impossible if we finish 3rd in our division
INCREASE THE DAMN PAYROLL AND MAKE SOME TRADES
HOW DO U HAVE 7 OWNERS YET CAN’T EVEN GO INTO THE LT.
THEY SAID THEY’D GO INTO THE LT FOR THE RIGHT PLAYER.
SO TRADE FOR A PG AND TAKE ON THE EXTRA SALARY
GOD
Just the facts ma'am
December 18th, 2010
2:34 pm
As far as assists go, only Dallas, San Antonio and Boston are rated higher. Boston, by the way double Atlanta, Dallas and San Antonio with a +7.44.
Distributing the ball is not the hawks problem and fast breaks dont happen in the half court style of the championship rounds. Bibby is adequate
Defense under the basket is much more significant.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
2:35 pm
LOL @ Orlando desperate to please Dwight. This is the guy who can’t even make a free throw. How are you a max player and can’t make FREE throws? Pathetic
Just the facts ma'am
December 18th, 2010
2:36 pm
And CAPS dont prove your point.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
2:36 pm
PACKAGE MARVIN AND BIBBY FOR THE BEST PG AVAILABLE
TRADE MO FOR A DRAFT PICK IF U NEED CAP RELIEF
MAKE CHANGES
WE DO NOT NEED A CENTER. THERE ARE LESS THEN 7 GOOD CENTERS IN THIS LEAGUE FOR AL TO WORRY ABOUT (ONE OF THEM, ROY HIBBERT, HE DESTROYS)
GET A POINT GUARD ALREADY
DON’T TRUST THIS TEAGUE EXPERIMENT. HE IS STILL TIMID AND DISLIKES SHOOTING
Rufus1
December 18th, 2010
2:36 pm
@Just the facts ma’am
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Josh smith isn’t the same player he was last year, STEVEW has pointed that out nicely. Last year Josh was a very active defensive force for most of the year, this year he hasn’t been the same person…..WE NEED THE OLD JOSH BACK!
Just the facts ma'am
December 18th, 2010
2:38 pm
Ill bet altanta would love to have Howard and would max him out as would any team who understands the importance of low post play. Who cares about free throws. You guys aint getting to the rim so you better hit your jump shots.
ReddJonn68
December 18th, 2010
2:40 pm
Right on JeJe! No pun intended. It would be a hell of a lot better if Sund & those idiots up top, were even making an effort & just shopping around to see what we could get!
F—ING MORONS
Just the facts ma'am
December 18th, 2010
2:41 pm
Last year Josh was # 1 shot blocking powerforward in the game… this year….Josh is @# 1 shot blocking forward in the game and # 7 over all.
can you add some facts with your opinions?
ReddJonn68
December 18th, 2010
2:43 pm
So JeJe are you actually saying that if Dwight Howard were on our team, that you wouldn’t do everything in your power to please him & keep those seats filled LOL!
ReddJonn68
December 18th, 2010
2:50 pm
Well the trade is official
Rufus1
December 18th, 2010
2:50 pm
Jsmoove…. it isn’t his numbers, it’s his presence. Last year he was a defensive players 1st….this year, I am not so sure.
northcyde
December 18th, 2010
3:02 pm
Uh Oh
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5932861
And they’re still talking to Washington about Arenas by trading Rashard Lewis? Like I said in the summer, this is a nuclear arms race in the Eastern Conference.
And keep your eyes on the Knicks. They still have some tough games left. If it is obvious to them that they can’t beat the top level teams, they’ll make that move for Melo, by trading the big expiring contract of Eddy Curry, Gallanari, and probably someone else.
The trio of Amare, Melo, and Felton is NOT what we want to see in the East. And if Orlando can finish their moves, this is their potential new lineup
PG – Nelson
G – Arenas
F – Richardson
F – Turkolgu
C – Howard
( or they start someone like Bass, and bring Hedo off the bench )
Orlando, if they can accomplish that, aren’t playing around one bit. And they once again become a major problem in the East.
Phoenix has officially given up on the season. If there is ever a time to make a move to get Steve Nash, it is right now. Do it before someone else does. If there is interest in Jamal or Marvin, you look to move one or both of them, if it will bring back an all-star player.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
3:02 pm
Orlando just got a lot better – Richardson, Turkoglo and Clark. They gave up Vince, Gortat, an Peitrus, and a 1st pick
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
3:04 pm
And they’re about to get Arenas for Rashard Lewis.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
3:08 pm
Spurs = original black uniforms.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
3:09 pm
Ramon – Yep, at this point in their careers, I still say give me Jamal. If Vince sells tickets to ATL fans at this point, besides going to see him to say you saw him in a Hawks uni’, that’s sad. He’s going down hill fast, and the last thing we need is another player with no heart. And Vince has no heart recently that I’ve seen. But probably still a HOF’er on stats alone. And what a player 5-10 years ago!
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
3:13 pm
Northcyde – I think Bass and bring Hedo off the bench. The Suns said Hedo was not a 4, at least in their offense. A frontline of Bass and Howard – those are beasts, and they’re young. That’s a tough frontline. Losing Gortat will hurt them more than they think however.
And the Magic better win quick, because I think Arenas’ best days are behind him. Richardson still has 2 or 3 prime years left on the other hand.
BTW, now the Magic can score, but losing Barnes and Pietrus will severely hurt their perimeter defense.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
3:14 pm
Hawk Priorities:
(1) Shane battier
(2) Marcus Camby
Why?
Because they are available !
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
3:18 pm
*I forgot one:
A really good perimeter shooter. [shot-maker]
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
3:18 pm
WHY IS AJC EATING MY POSTS
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
3:20 pm
SteveW, you’re right about losing Barnes and Pietrus, but if Hedo is fresh, he can cause major problems. My post that GOT EATEN BY AJC stated just that
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
3:22 pm
I know the Magic are dumping a couple of really bad salaries (Vince 17.3 mill. expiring; Lewis owed like 65 m in the next 3 years, that’s a stinker!), but they’re also: Getting a terrible contract in Hedo, and Richardson becomes a FA after this season, no there’s no gurantee they keep him. And Richardson has career numbers comparable to JJ. It will take a big deal to keep him.
And Arenas Contract is worse than Lewis’s – His is a year longer at about the same money. And with a new CBA coming up….Wow. The Magic are in a contract hole they may never dig out of.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
3:23 pm
Or at least take a long time to dig out of….
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
3:24 pm
SteveW
I read a few days ago that when ORL gave Shard that contract, they figured it showed they were committed to him and that if they won a ring, it wouldn’t matter how big the contract was.
Seems like everyone on ORL besides O.Smith is against adding Arenas though
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
3:25 pm
ORL does seem a bit short at the 3 now. No one around 6″9 besides Hedo. I guess they’re like us. Half our roster is 6″5
cp
December 18th, 2010
3:35 pm
Orlando wants to win now. They have to keep Dwight happy or he probably walks. They were discussing this on ESPN the other day…..The Steve Nash being available rumors have been out there for a while now. This might be the perfect time for the Hawks to jump on that. The Suns probably want expiring contracts and a first. The Knicks want Melo and if they do decide to trade their young talent to get him then the East is even tougher. Maybe a few deals will force Sund to finally act on something.
ryan
December 18th, 2010
3:44 pm
The Hawks have to do something Heat are much better Orlando just got stronger Knicks are a lot better these players don’t seem to buying into Larry Drew right now we have some expiring contracts that teams want Sund do something .
drmaryb (*_*)
December 18th, 2010
3:49 pm
Bloginator
Can’t keep up with 100 posts per day and not eat some. It’s the law of averages.
Does the CAPOLOGIST have a job? Or does it live in it’s Mama’s basement and eat ràt cheese all day?
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SteveW said:
“I wonder who the Magic would give up for Arenas? Maybe Bass and a 1st pick? I’m not sure.”
- Breaking News just said Rashard Lewis for Gilbert Arenas is the offer, their salaries are identical.
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ryan said:
“Gerald Wallace and Tyrus Thomas who Hawks should look at .”
- word on the street is Thomas is untouchable. MJ is shopping Wallace and Captain Jack only. Does it seem odd, Wallace didn’t play lasrt night (ankle? Or ego?), also, did you notice Jackson took himself out for almost the whole game with elbow pain, buþ came back at the end? (Elbow or Ego?).
Being shooped. Maybe Jamal back is hurting because The Hawks phones are lighting up like a X-Mas Tree to for feelers on Jamal’s availability too?
Maybe, his Agent is telling him this, since we NEVER hear any Hawks Trade Leaks!
Why is it we NEVER hear The Hawks making any noise when we are clearly in the midst of a Trade T ornado? Do we even care to fix our glaring holes on our own roster. Can’t we see all the teams around us improving or at least trying to make a Championship Run? Is our core really so untouchable and why?
ryan
December 18th, 2010
3:55 pm
Agree drmaryb (*_*) its good see Joe back but i don’t know if it going to be enough .
drmaryb (*_*)
December 18th, 2010
3:56 pm
MC
Are you hearing NeThing in the rumor mill Hawks Wise?
Does ASKG really their core that much and why?
NeOne notice Marvin plays hard when he fears being traded, then back to invisibility?
Aye Sund! R U still on vacation? If so, why send 2 Men & A Truck to vacate your office and pick up your hard drive?
drmaryb (*_*)
December 18th, 2010
3:59 pm
Sund!
My bad, rumor has it you don’t use computers or stats to make any assessments. Then what is your data source for trades? Gut feelings and familiarity?
It was not a bad pick
December 18th, 2010
4:06 pm
The Hawks do not need a trade..Its time to unleash Marvin as the 2nd option behind Joe Max….It would be like making a big trade without even making one..last night 12 shots got you 16 and 8 .also good D….Keep feeding this monster..Hedo? Marvin will destroy this dude ….continue to play Collins and ZaZa more and more…teague is coming along also…
Rufus1
December 18th, 2010
4:10 pm
The Magic are now the Warriors with D12…..
I think the Just got worse, because SIZE, TOUGHNESS MATTER and 7′0 gortat and 6′11 lewis will be missed
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
4:12 pm
LOL @ drmaryb.
Sund is still on vacation.
We are a lock for top 5 in the East most likely – that will suffice for Sund.
I would like to hear from one of our beat writer(s) if the ASG/Sund are shopping anyone.
Bibby + marvin for MONTA ELLIS
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
4:15 pm
Rufus,
The East is so bad that Orlando will no way finish below 3 seed or 4 seed. CHI and ATL prob can’t beat them in a series, meaning they got Hedo for LeBron and Dwight may be able to beat up on Boston’s old bigs.
My biggest hope now is these new guys have delays in their physicals (like Vujacic/T.Williams the last few days) and WON’T play Monday night. LOL we’ll hear SVG and Dwhine whining again about losing to us
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
4:16 pm
The Rashard/Arenas trade seems dumb. Rich and Hedo are very solid additions. I would’ve tried add in cash or another player to try get Javale or Blatche (less likely)
Tyger
December 18th, 2010
4:21 pm
Still don’t like Teague…
Yes, he’s getting more playing time, that’s a positive. And it is unfair to evaluate these guys before they’ve actually been given a chance but I still just don’t like Teague. Yes, he’s playing better; but is going from horrible to bad, an improvement?
Why is he playing better? He’s being given minutes first of all. Second, he has young legs, decent handles, and a willingness to defend, i.e. hustle. That’s all positive, but a 1st rd. pick has to have more than young legs and hustle; otherwise, he’s just Mario West.
My problems:
1. Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers – most of the time, he still looks lost. Now, with enough minutes the light bulb could go off and suddenly he may “get it”, but right now, I haven’t seen the huge upswing from Year 1 to Year 2. Mentally, he still hasn’t turned the corner and time is ticking.
2. Shot mechanics are just bad – I’m surprised he can get the ball to go in at all. He’ll never be a prolific outside shooter, so defenders aren’t threatened and will just clog the paint. Moreover, with the ball in his hands so much, he should be a deadly FT shooter as well, but not.
3. Comparisons: Rajon Rondo – drafted about the same place in the 1st rd, neither a prolific shooter, both very athletic players, but Rondo has turned the corner and become an elite PG, despite not having a great jumper. Surely, having 3 HOF players and a HOF coach helps, but Teague isnt surrounded by cat litter either.
4. Managerial error: Hawks have not been able to solidify the PG position internally since Mookie Blaylock. Mike Bibby was/is a stop-gap, but its too late for Bibby, his heart is there, but his legs are gone. AC Law/Salim weren’t given fair opportunities…which bodes well for Teague. They are really going to give him a chance to step up his play, but my guess is he just doesn’t have the tools. He may be a decent player eventually, but I don’t think he will be as lucky as Mike Conley and get that second big deal here in ATL.
northcyde
December 18th, 2010
4:23 pm
Jeje . . who would you rather pay 40+ mill to? Arenas or Lewis?
At least Arenas has the capability to play at an all-star level. Rashard is arguably only slightly better than Marvin.
@ it was not a bad pick . . . lol, damn that. Marvin has had 6 years to assume that role. I’m not a Marvin basher, but if I could ship him out to Phoenix and bring back Nash, I’m not even blinking to make that deal.
Matter of fact . . . Marvin+ Teague for Nash.
Rufus1
December 18th, 2010
4:34 pm
@JeJe
I think you are giving them too much credit…They won’t be able to defend or reboud with this new team. The loss of Gortat will be HUGE.
They will be better offensive team, but their defense will implode. They traded for 2 defensively challenged 6′3 SG in the east with Dwade, JJ, Allen and Grainger….they are going to get killed.
For those “ragging” on Sund about being a GM, Otis Smith just got robbed by the Suns. He took on an additional 23mil, gave-up a starting caliber center, 1st round pick and CASH, to get a lot shorter and weaker on defense….and that is just one of the deals. The 2nd deal is just as BAD
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
4:44 pm
I feel bad for Nash.
One of the best guys in the NBA and now all his buddies from the years are gone (Raja, Diaw, Amar’e, J.Rich.)
We REALLY need a PG
Northcyde, I wouldn’t take either. It does seem Arenas is finally healthy though. It’s funny because he left like 10M+ on the table to stay with the Wiz (paycut) but it never worked out.
I really would like an update on what Sund/ASG are doing. There are so many starting PGs out there.
Jamal, Marvin, Bibby, Mo, draft picks (we don’t need more skinny 20 year olds).
Trade 2 of the above 3 for a PG!!!!!!
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
4:46 pm
Rufus,
I agree with what you’re saying, but like I said, ORL is a lock for at least the 2nd round. No one can contain Dwight – if he could actually shoot FTs they’d be that much more powerful.
J Rich is explosive and Hedo can guard LBJ. This team is loaded with lethal 3pt shooters ALL over. Hell, I think any guy on the team not named Dwight and Bass could go for five 3s in a game. Losing Pietrus sucks but he didn’t seem to do much this year.
I don’t feel like we’re far off. I just cringe every time I see Bibby in at the end. Besides shooting, he does NOTHING for this team. I don’t even think he’s thrown one alleyoop this year
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
4:48 pm
The sad part of all of this is, now Sund will say with all of the top teams making moves, this is even a better chance to stand pat, because it will show familiarity and good team chemistry, lol. Its a lose/lose situation. Sund forgets in Detroit, every piece they had, they traded for with the exception of Prince.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
4:49 pm
Jeje he just threw an ally oop to Horford last night. lol
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
4:50 pm
Even if ORL took on contracts, they got rid of a career Loser (pun intended) in Vince. I just don’t think Gortat was a good fit in ORL with Dwight so young and getting minutes. They do need a backup center though. Maybe they go get a veteran minimum contract (are you allowed to sign someone to vet min if in the LT/over cap?)
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
4:50 pm
LOL Ramon. Sad thing is I was there.
Who cares? He’s still unathletic and sucks
Get a new PG
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
4:53 pm
LOL @ Ramon.
Sund acts like he set the core in place for those Pistons ECF/Finals rosters. I can’t even name who was on his team in Dallas.
Awful GM
Should’ve hired Avery.
My 2 hopes are:
1) Magic players delay their phyiscals
2) Arenas and SVG don’t get along and we can surpass them.
REMEMBER, IF THE HAWKS DON’T WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR, THE #1 GOAL (AS WITH ALL TEAMS NOT IN MIAMI) IS FOR MIAMI TO NOT WIN A RING. YES, I’LL TAKE THOSE PRICKS IN BOSTON OVER MIAMI. GOD I HATE LBJ AND BOSH!!!!!!
Rufus1
December 18th, 2010
4:55 pm
JeJe
I agree 100% with the Bibby statement….I know he hits big shots, I don’t know if his defense is worth it.
Rufus1
December 18th, 2010
4:57 pm
I vote Lowry or Bynum from Detroit
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
4:59 pm
Jeje, the Lakers are going to win the ring, so it doesn’t even matter about the rest, lol. And I don’t really see Arenas adapting well to Van Gundy’s in your face type of coaching. Arenas now has to guard Ray Allen, Dwayne Wade, and Joe Johnson in the playoffs FULL TIME. And the Magic no longer have their athletic wing defenders they had in Barnes or Pietrus. So you can only imagine where they’re going to go now, after this trade. I see D12 more likely to live the Magic now, because I do not think they just got better.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
5:01 pm
Steve Nash does have a pretty reasonable contract (10-11M a year).
Could we offer Bibby and Jamal + picks? No way they’d want Marvin with the 32 SFs they already got, but I think they’d want Bibby back in PHX to back up Dragic who is very talented and maybe Jamal as an expiring? Maybe they could add in another player to balance salaries
drmaryb (*_*)
December 18th, 2010
5:07 pm
Demoralized!
After Josh and Al asked for help down low, they got Nothing! They must be watching ALL the Eastern teams getting better and making moves and saying,
“Why Not Us?”
If I were them, I would take some nights off too.
Even if the Magic don’t win? At least they tried.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
5:08 pm
One thing I am concerned about is playing Boston with Shaq starting or Miami in general.
So if we are going against Shaq or Ilgauskas at C, the natural thing is to start Collins. But both teams have KG and Bosh at PF, and you would naturally want Josh’s athleticism to guard them, rather than Horford (who would do better on a Brandon Bass or Boozer most likely).
So what they hell do you do in this scenario?
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
5:10 pm
Maybe Arenas comes off bench (LOL @ 18M coming off bench) and plays combo guard next to Duhon. The team just has way too many SGs..Redick and QRich who is only like 6″5 will both see weird minutes nightly I bet
ANYONE BUT MIAMI
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
5:11 pm
Hell, I’d offer Smoove in a package for Nash if we could get a healthy Robin Lopez here.
IDK WTF Smoove has been doing these last few games. He has these big triple doubles then he just goes haywire. His awful games are comparable to Marvin’s. Smoove has awful games, Marvin has invisible ones. Not quite sure which I prefer
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
5:13 pm
Exactly, drmaryb.
Orlando has 90M+ Invested in players. That’s a ton in the LT, but they are TRYING.
Sund has NOT made one move with the core besides his solid Jamal trade. WTF? We have been SWEPT in the 2nd round twice in a row and no one on this team really improves from year to year besides Horford and Teague (who is such a trivial player most of the team that he doesn’t count)
MannyT
December 18th, 2010
5:19 pm
Don’t get what all y’all are worried about–Sund added D Wilkins to team this month w/o giving up ANY of his core players. My bad, no time warp, wrong Wilkins
I doubt Gilbert starts in Orlando if Jameer is healthy. Maybe in the future, but he won’t know the offense well enough to start. His best asset to playing time is Hedo. When you have a legit point forward, you can have a shoot first PG.
Moving Lewis frees playing time for more productive PFs (Bass & Anderson).
@JeJe – You can always sign someone for the minimum if you have a roster slot available. Otherwise Miami would have about 7 guys on that squad.
@drmaryb – Isn’t the Hawks capologist the person that opens the bottles & keeps up with the caps at the bar near Taco Mac
Time to go watch the Thrashers. As much as Hawks fans complain about not making deals, the thrashers just about turned over the entire squad since Kolvy left…and they are winning.
Samuel
December 18th, 2010
5:24 pm
Hedo can guard LBJ. LOL!!
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:24 pm
just saw the Magic trade…SMDH
now we need this trade
Hawks get Carmelo Anthony
Nuggets get Mike Bibby & Tayshaun Prince
Pistons get Zaza Pachulia & Marvin Williams
lets get it
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
5:26 pm
Jeje are you serious? Lopez is a cancer to a team. I wouldn’t even offer Josh or Al for the good Lopez out of the twins, lol. The only teams in the playoffs you have to worry about size is Boston and Orlando (and only with D12 now in Orlando). You don’t trade a regular player who’s one of your best players for a situational player. If the Hawks start running like they say they want to, the roster will be fine.
Sautee
December 18th, 2010
5:27 pm
Tyger,
I’m not totally sold on Teague myself, but about the turnovers, you are just mistaken.
His assist to turnover ratio is 2.48:1 which is better than Devin Harris, Brandon Jennings, Rodney Stuckey, and Mo Williams and just a tick behind Raymond Felton (2.5:1).
And THAT is your number one problem with Teague? Maybe he’s better than you think.
Perception is not always reality.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
5:27 pm
Here goes a sensible trade for everyone involved (Grandad how you like this one)…
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28rcw5h
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:28 pm
Chris Paul for Marvin Williams and Mike Bibby and the next 10 years worth of 1st round picks and trade exception
let’s make it happen
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
5:29 pm
Hawks get:
A. Brooks
S. Battier
K. Martin
C. Hayes
Rockets get:
J. Crawford
Z. Pachulia
M. Bibby
M. Evans
Tyrone
December 18th, 2010
5:30 pm
Just heard from my cousin BooBoo – Phoenix wants to dump Josh Childress and his salary. Word is they want Jamal’s scoring and expiring contract, Bibby, a state Hero, and the Hawks first pick for Steve Nash and take Josh Childress, please! Apparently, they are rebuliding and want number picks. Currently, they have 2, theirs and Orlando’s.
Sund, you are on the clock!
Jae Evolution
December 18th, 2010
5:31 pm
I think J-Rich is going to EXPLODE playing for Orlando…
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:31 pm
Andre Iguodala for Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia
If friggin the two worst contracts in the league can be moved we can make something happen
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:32 pm
STeve Nash & Josh Childress for Mike Bibby, Jamal Crawford and a 1st rounder
lets get it done…we need some hope around here
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:34 pm
Hawks cannot acquire Josh Childress because they traded him already this year according to Trade Machine
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:35 pm
Jamal Crawford & Mike Bibby for Steve Nash & Grant Hill…
lets make it happen
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
5:36 pm
Could Joe have rushed back, because Sund IS getting ready to trade Jamal and/or Bibby?
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:37 pm
Marcus Camby & Andre Miller for Mike Bibby & Jamal Crawford
on paper this is a great trade…two productive vets at the positions we desperately need
Sautee
December 18th, 2010
5:41 pm
Tyrone those nimbers don’t even come CLOSE to working out. LOL!
Got any more of what BooBoo is smoking?
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:41 pm
Marvin Williams & Mo Evans for Gerald Wallace
Sautee
December 18th, 2010
5:43 pm
Ramon,
I’d do that Houston trade in a heartbeat, but they never would.
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:45 pm
Danilo Galinari for Josh Childress Trade Exception
Sautee
December 18th, 2010
5:47 pm
Geez, it’s officially silly season.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
5:48 pm
Am I the only one who doesn’t think this trade is going to improve Orlando? As far as I can see, they just traded away their 2nd and 3rd best defensive players, now have to play Brandon Bass at center any time Dwight Howard exits the game, and now have a surplus of perimeter ball hogs known for poor shot selection who are going to keep the ball out of Dwight’s hands. How exactly does this improve them again?
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:49 pm
Mike Bibby for Kevin Love
then Kevin Love & Jamal Crawford for Carmelo
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
5:52 pm
That’s not to say the Hawks shouldn’t be trying to make moves of their own. I just don’t see how adding a bunch of redundant, ball-dominating perimeter players, none of whom is known for defense, is going to help their team. To me they now look like the Eastern Conference version of the Suns from a few years ago, with Dwight playing a defensively better but offensively worse version of Amare, Jameer Nelson being a very poor man’s Nash, Arenas playing the role of Barbosa, and J-Rich and Turkoglu attempting to fill the roles of the Phoenix swingmen from a few years ago. And needless to say, Phoenix never made the finals.
Obviously they are still better than the Hawks as long as they have Dwight, but I have a hard time seeing how this puts them ahead of Boston.
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:52 pm
Mike Bibby & JR Smith to Minnesota
Carmelo to Atlanta
Jamal Crawford & Kevin Love to Denver
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
5:57 pm
Mary Ellen;
I couldn’t agree more.
As I said yesterday,
“an organization must present a culture of winning”.
Don’t wait until the deadline wishing for a bargain.
Sure @ the d-line we may be able to move Mo for Les.
However, right now these teams are looking to jettison
players and/or contracts:
Portland…..Camby
Memphis…..Mayo, Thabeet, Z.Randolph
PHX…..Nash
Denver…..Melo?
Sac-Kings…..Thompson
Dallas…..Haywood
Minnesota…..interestingly wishing a Josh Smith for K.Love trade
Charlotte…..All their trash – players that have quit !
Cleveland…..Varejao *[and perhaps Daniel Gibson]
Indy…..All but their young core (my oh my, where have we heard that)
Houston….Battier, Brooks, Battier, Jeffries, Battier, Yao, & Battier
Sautee
December 18th, 2010
5:59 pm
And I guess Otis Smith didn’t like the “core” of the Magic.
Too bad Mike Gearon, Jr. has a hard on for ours.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
5:59 pm
Sautee, Houston will do that deal because they get a big, who’s durable. They also get over 13 million in expiring contract with Crawford and Mo. Throw and a First to make it stick. Or a 1st in 2011, and a 2nd in 2012.
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
5:59 pm
@Najeh
Phoenix has been dangerously close to making the Finals for a few years so I’d take ARENAS & Howard combination any day of the week. They will be scoring in bunches and from every position. Jason Richardson is a beast,…Orlando just got a steal if you ask me.
And you give up Rashard Lewis on top of all that? WOW…..now the Hawks have to make a move to stay competitive…it’s a must…that’s why I keep posting all these crazy trades because if ARENAS contract can be moved then there’s no telling what GM’s will do. And it’s widely accepted that RAshard Lewis has the worst contract maybe ever.
Vince Carter’s bad contract and he was moved for pieces the Magic can actually use and get value from? Are you kidding me?
Plus they can still wheel and deal because now they must move Jameer Nelson (unless Gilbert will play the 2).
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:01 pm
Najeh, I think the trade makes the Magic WORSE.
The scary thing is though the Heat. In January, Miami will be adding a new player with out making a trade. When Mike Miller comes back it will be just as they traded. And Miller will be in the end of games instead Arroyo. Miller is a great rebounder for his position and his shooting is among the best. So everyone will be improving except the Hawks.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:02 pm
YoDaddy, Orlando did good to get Richardson for Vince. but think, how are they going to guard KG or Bosh in the playoffs (or even Boozer for that matter)?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
6:06 pm
“Phoenix has been dangerously close to making the Finals for a few years so I’d take ARENAS & Howard combination any day of the week. They will be scoring in bunches and from every position. Jason Richardson is a beast,…Orlando just got a steal if you ask me.”
I wouldn’t have a problem with them bringing in those players. The mistake I think they made is giving up Pietrus and Gortat and not finding a replacement defensive specialist or backup center. The only two real big men they have now are Dwight and Bass, and Dwight is the only good defender left on that roster. Who the hell on that team is going to guard LeBron and Wade?
Sautee
December 18th, 2010
6:07 pm
Ramon,
C’mon man, they would give FOUR STARTERS for Jamal and our trash?
I seriously doubt it.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:11 pm
Brooks is injury prone, and they have Lowery who has played excellent in Brooks absence. Zaza would become a starter for them along with Scola. And Bibby is a great option for his old coach. Not to mention when healthy, Mo Evans is a cheaper alternative to Battier. And don’t forget the 13 million in expiring they will get, to go along with the contract of Yao. And draft picks of course.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:12 pm
I didn’t realize Hayes was starting though. Take him out of the deal, and try to make it happen.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:13 pm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22ucldn , Sautee adjusted without Hayes.
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
6:17 pm
@ Ramon
I forgot they had QRichardson….man they gotta move him…he’s a scrub in my opinion
@ Najeh
They will have no answer for LeBron (but what team does) but Jason Richardson is more than able to guard Wade. Jason Richardson is underrated because Wade will have to guard him off the screens and off the dribble. Jason Richardson can post Wade up and is two inches taller and just as athletic. AND he can shoot the 3 and rebound.
Ryan Anderson is a 4 that can rebound and shoot 3’s. Brandon Bass is a bruiser and can simply beat up Chris Bosh. The Heat have no answer for Dwight Howard…who will guard Dwight?
They may get in foul trouble but that’s the only thing stopping that train. Plus as I said before they still have room to make another deal packaging QRich for somebody ’s tall player.
Ken Strickland
December 18th, 2010
6:17 pm
I just got the following info from HOOPS HYPE.
1-It appears the Blazers acquired about the availability of Jamal Crawford, and was turned down. I wonder if they were turned down because Jamal isn’t available, or because they didn’t offer enough.
2-It seems MEvans is not close to 100%, and is still heavily favoring his surgically repaired knee. It says LDrew is seriously considering giving him some time off to fully recover.
3-JChildress said he wasn’t opposed to returning to the Hawks, but they never one made him an offer. It seems RSund gave him the same treatment Jamal is getting from him now. Regardless of what his situation is in Phoenix, I believe he’d thrive in LDrew’s system. Having him, and an OFF/DEF upgrade at PG, would definitely offset the loss of Jamal and upgrade the Hawks.
I can remember either SAMUEL or ROD FROM CP claiming Orlando would be the team to beat afer acquiring VCarter and signing MBarnes. I made a point about how some people get all excited about what a team acquires in a trade without considering what they gave up. It’s been painfully obvious VCarter and MBarnes couldn’t replace what HTurkolgu brought to the table.
We now see them trying to overcome their mistakes by making trades during the season to try and reacquire him. Making a bunch of trades, like some of you want the Hawks to do, can make your team better. However, making a bunch of trades can also result in doing little more than adding more talent to the roster, or creating a net overall loss, rather than improving the team.
I don’t see these trades making them better, at least not this season. For once I agree with JEJE. We need an upgrade at PG before we even think about anything else. If we can get the performances JTeague has given us the last 2gms on a consistent basis, and bring Bibby off the bench, we’ll become a much better overall team, both offensively and defensively.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
6:19 pm
This is for BooBoo;
a player can not be traded back to a team he was traded from during
the season [July 1 until June 30] unless player has been waived.
Therefore, Josh Childress cannot be traded back to the Hawks.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
6:24 pm
Ramon;
on your original trade,
Houston would not do the trade in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 yrs.
The simplest trade;
Marv to Houston
Battier to Hawks
*straight up.
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
6:24 pm
@Najeh
Who from the Magic will guard Arenas??
Who will guard Dwight Howard?
Who will guard Turkoglu off the pick and roll?? Chris Bosh no chance he’s as awkward as they come. If they put Joel Anthony out there then it’s time for Howard to eat and he will have a buffet. Z don’t even think about it.
The Heat also have matchup problems
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
6:26 pm
I meant from the Heat
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:30 pm
Ken S., I think you have it a little off. The Orlando team with Hedo, wouldn’t have beaten the Boston team from last season. The only reason Orlando reached the Finals the season before, was because of the health of Boston, not because they were better than Boston. Without Boston being as dominant as they were last season, Orlando may would’ve been as good as the year before. But don’t forget R. Alston had just as much to do with their making it to the Finals as Hedo.
Sautee
December 18th, 2010
6:30 pm
Ramon,
Houston just refused an offer for Martin from Orlando (for Gortat, who Houston had asked about and others). Why then would they trade him for Zaza and others?
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:30 pm
Grandad, you don’t think they’ll do it without Chuck Hayes in the equation?
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:34 pm
Sautee, because Crawford is better than anything that Houston had to offer.
Samuel
December 18th, 2010
6:38 pm
Exactly Ramon. Orlando is desperate. They are looking everywhere but where they need to be looking “AT THEIR STYLE OF PLAY”. You’re never gonna win a title jacking up threes and playing no defense. The guys they traded for are more of the same of what they got rid of.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
6:43 pm
I mean Orlando* had to offer.
How about this,
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=22o8ux5
Houston Gets:
Marvin
Crawford
Zaza
And 1st
Hawks Get:
Lowry
Martin
Battier
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
6:56 pm
Ramon;
I feel like Houston could do better.
*[exp contracts and more salary]
For a legitimate starting [2] guard, a whiz bang pg, and {{Battier}}
For us…..heck yeah !
Daryl Morey would get fired over that one.
slimjr
December 18th, 2010
6:58 pm
Thank you JJMAX for coming back earlier to help the “3 STOOGES” pull out and ugly win last night…”YAWN” FYI, Orlando just jetison Vince(Marvins Cousin) Carter!! Wow. They got Jason Richardson and Turkalou back…..The rich get richer??? Hawks fans just get ready for some more beat downs in this conference…..
jase
December 18th, 2010
6:59 pm
look around you sund its alot going on lets make a move sir.
Geemack
December 18th, 2010
7:01 pm
Ramon
Yes Arenas will have to guard those guys, but they have to guard him on the other end as well. The main thing with theses trades is they get guys who are going to compete. VC & Lewis disappeared against the Celtics last year.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
7:01 pm
“Who from the Magic will guard Arenas??
Who will guard Dwight Howard?
Who will guard Turkoglu off the pick and roll?? Chris Bosh no chance he’s as awkward as they come. If they put Joel Anthony out there then it’s time for Howard to eat and he will have a buffet. Z don’t even think about it.”
I don’t think they are going to get the ball to Dwight nearly enough for him to cause the matchup problems he’s capable of causing, with all those perimeter ball hogs on the team. We’ll see what Stan Van Gundy is made of. Their new roster just screams bad shot selection central to me, and bad shot selection neutralizes any matchup advantage they may have.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
7:02 pm
Grandad, I understand. I guess I just feel Martin is injury prone, and he’s locked up for 3 more seasons at over 10 mil a season. Its clear they’re going to have to rebuild, have to start sooner than later. And the easiest way will be through free agency and draft. The question is, is Sund the kind of GM who will call other teams and make offers. Or is he the GM that only returns voicemail messages from other GMs who make offers. In three seasons, we should have seen at least once where Sund was PUSHING a trade, even if it didn’t materialize. The fact that Sund inherited a playoff team. And right now, of the national media NO ONE respects the Hawks. Sund should take that personal.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
7:05 pm
Geemack, I may be wrong. But I don’t see Arenas being that all star type player any more. I’m quite confident that Wade can guard Arenas, lol. And I’m quite confident that Boston will take the drive away from Arenas with help defense.
You say VC and Lewis disappeared against the Celtics. Last season, who not named Kobe or Gasol, didn’t disappear against the Celtics?
STRETCH
December 18th, 2010
7:06 pm
The top tier teams in the East continue to make moves to get better but this organization is still trying to sell the “Jim Jones” juice! They will be a 7 seed by the end of the month.
Rod from College Park
December 18th, 2010
7:07 pm
Ken Strickland,
“I can remember either SAMUEL or ROD FROM CP claiming Orlando would be the team to beat afer acquiring VCarter and signing MBarnes.”
Wow. So desperate to try to discredit me that you start making things up. First I was a Woodson fan, now I like Vince Carter. I have about as much love for Vince than I do for Marvin. Both have no heart. You are wrong again. Never said that.
ryan
December 18th, 2010
7:10 pm
Miami and Orlando trying to out do each other if Sund does nothing than i will say he should be fired .
Wabe
December 18th, 2010
7:14 pm
I really don’t think Orlando got better.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
7:22 pm
Can anyone, name 10 organizations that are worse than the Hawks are owned by ASG.
ryan
December 18th, 2010
7:23 pm
Arenas does have a lot of baggage with the gun incident and him faking an injury he could divide that locker room he did in DC .
Blast
December 18th, 2010
7:30 pm
Wow! Orlando has never been shy of pulling the trigger. Personally, I don’t think it makes them any better just like I knew the Vince Carter experiment will not work. This smacks of pure desperation. They will miss Gortat, and Hedo has not been having a good season.
Looking for New York to make a move soon.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
7:39 pm
Ramon;
I fear Sund is doing nothing.
AJC article:
Sund said he reads “Hoops Hype” every AM
to see what’s happening around the league.
The only one I know to take more days off
than Sund is MC.
Now I’ve done it, I’m banned for sure now.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
7:42 pm
I think this trade makes Orlando a series threat to the crown. J-Rich is an outstanding player. Turk will help from outside…Arenas is a bit of a wildcard, in my opionion. Who knows what that guy will do?
Hawks need to make a move. A lot of you are mentioning Battier…I’m down with that. Battier does not take nights off. He would be just what this team needs.
cp
December 18th, 2010
7:46 pm
Lol it was Samuel who thought Vince made the Magic better. I even remember him putting up all of Vince’s career accomplishments because there was a debate on here on if Vince was a Hall of Famer or not…………..I think Nash can be had without giving up a lot. More than likely the Suns only want expiring contracts and some draft picks…..And why would Orlando miss Lewis? Dude plays no defense, only jacks up jumpers, and doesn’t rebound. I think he was only averaging 4 boards a game this year. I doubt he will be missed but Otis is putting them in a big hole financially with a bunch of guys who don’t even play defense. Dwight just came out this week criticizing guys for not playing defense and ol Otis goes and adds a bunch of guys who dont attempt to play D. This should be interesting down in Orlando.
O'Brien
December 18th, 2010
7:50 pm
Section 303,
Orlando no longer has a backup Center. And like you said, Arenas is a wild card.
And they lost Barnes, and now Pietrus which was their perimeter defense.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
8:05 pm
Bill Simmons thinking Nash will go to the Knicks,
starting a chain reaction ending with;
Amare, Nash, Melo in NYC.
Creating New York’s “Big Three”.
Samuel
December 18th, 2010
8:08 pm
LOL. Yep, I did say VC was better than Turkoglu and he is. I didn’t say they would be better, I just said VC was a better player. Did Turk make either PHX or Toronto better? Again, Orlando basically swapped two athletic 2 guards in VC and Richardson and 2 undersized hybrid PF’s in Lewis for Turkoglu who don’t play defense. Arenas is definitely the wild card. If he gets back close to his pre-injury form, the Magic will be better. Bass can take Gortat’s minutes. They’ll probably sign a fill in to back up Dwight at center.
Sautee
December 18th, 2010
8:08 pm
Ramon,
You keep forgetting the salient points here:
1. Sund is Mike Gearon Jr’s hand puppet.
2. Mikey LOVES our core.
therefore:
3. Trades are not likely to happen.
Wish it was different, but it just “ain’t”.
And all my wishin’ and your wishin’ and Grandad’s wishin’ ain’t gonna mean squat.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
8:09 pm
Grandad, if Nash goes to NY, I hope Atlanta can get involved to land Felton then.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
8:11 pm
Why Magic Johnson doesn’t want to buy the Hawks?
lukas
December 18th, 2010
8:15 pm
Grandad,
If the Knicks pull that off they’ll score 120 points, but will receive 140 since those guys don’t play defense.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
8:27 pm
Ramon;
supposedly, Felton for Nash???
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
8:30 pm
lukas
Paul Westhead’s wet dream.
Miles D
December 18th, 2010
8:32 pm
Man I tell you…stuggling with the BOBCATS! We will NEVER be winners if we don’t make some changes now! And I hear that Pheonix just landed VC, Micheal Pietrus, and Gortat from Orlando for really…NOTHING! Man I tell you…if we would have picked up someone like Gortat that would have made us hella better…but ya know thats the HAWKS for ya! Everybody in the east is trying to improve but us! I’m sick of it! They need to sell the whole damn franchise to another city or something cause we’ll never be anything but mediocre at best with the guys we have now! It’s like a house on a poor foundation and with no guts in it! Or, like a relationship gone bad and all its about now is self-preservation! This team SUCKS!! Let me know when we get some REAL ball players down here with some HEART! Its check out time ya’ll!!!
ryan
December 18th, 2010
8:33 pm
How can the ASG even continuing owning the Hawks when this team makes no money Thrashers are not selling out tell me how can long can ASG survive with no revenue why can we not get rid of this cancer ASG .
lukas
December 18th, 2010
8:33 pm
Grandad,
Yup!! but Nash is no Magic and Amare is not near Kareem. But D’antony can dream about a title.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
8:35 pm
Grandad, the life of a Hawks fan. Gearon talks about needing more support before going into luxury tax. But the true FANS of the Hawks, have been more faithful and loyal than all 3/4 owner groups that have come in town. We’ve lasted through 3 playoff teams that could only get to the 2nd round. Years of rebuilding, and countless losing (magically we’ve never had the number 1 pick in the last 20 years through all of that losing).
lukas
December 18th, 2010
8:37 pm
Guys,
This won’t be the last trade you’ll see. I suspect major shake ups are coming in several teams, thanks to Miami and Chicago summer. The question is: will the Hawks be one of them? unless Sund finds a Jamal’s type of trade (where you get a player by giving 2 scrubs), i won’t get my hopes high.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
8:39 pm
Sautee;
a philosophical question?
Supposedly Minn. T-Wolves covet Josh Smith and would do a
K.Love for Josh trade.
Logistics aside, would you do that trade?
My son and I have bandied that about all day.
I would prefer K.Love [intangibles].
My son says Josh [more diverse production/defense].
What say you?
Anyone else, just for fun, of course.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
8:44 pm
Go to a Timberwolves message board some time and see what their fans say about Kevin Love’s defense. Yeah, he’s a better rebounder, but Smoove is far, far better at every other aspect of basketball.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
8:45 pm
Grandad, I take Josh. Josh and Al together (though undersized) gives you more than Al and K. Love (still undersized). With that frontline you have to get out in transition, and I’d rather have Josh on the break than Love. And on the defensive side, Josh has proven that he can consistently guard 4 positions on the court from 2-5. That and also, I read Josh outplayed Love terribly so two seasons ago in the USA tryouts.
bigdave
December 18th, 2010
8:45 pm
Otis Smith isnt done..
when teams are serious about winning they do what they need to do in order to improve the team. i wouldnt bank on them staying thin on that front line. these arent the Hawks we’re talking about.
watching Magic/6′rs now.. they only dressed the minimum and are down to 7 w/ J Will going down to foot injury. they looked gas.. hopefully they lose and we get em’ Mon.
ryan
December 18th, 2010
8:48 pm
All i can say Go Falcons Aurthur Blank seems to be best owner in Atlanta if only these other guys can take some lessons from Blank Hawks and Thrashers would be model franchises .
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
8:55 pm
Ramon:
“I read Josh outplayed Love terribly so two seasons ago in the USA tryouts”
Not arguing but why did Love make the team?
Your…..^…above…^…..comments are well taken.
Tyrone
December 18th, 2010
8:56 pm
I just heard from my cousin BooBoo again, here’s the deal Portland trades Pryzbilla to Phoenix for Josh Childress, then the Hawks trade Marvin and a 2nd round pick for Childress; and finally, Jamal, Bibby, Mo, and the Hawks’ first round pick for Steve Nash and Pryzbilla.
Portland and Phoenix are clearing cap space for next year. The deal will happens this week.
BooBoo knows the deal.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
8:58 pm
Grandad, because he was younger, and had a better jumper.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
8:59 pm
Grandad, its the same Mike Miller and Michael Redd made the team but Joe Johnson didn’t.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
9:02 pm
Watching Hinrich play against the Heat. Anyone who said he was the answer, CLEARLY didn’t know what the question was, lol.
mattjones
December 18th, 2010
9:05 pm
ASG = Rankin Smith. Falcons didn’t become winning franchise until the Smith’s sold the team. Likewise the Hawks will not be a winning franchise until the ASG sells the team.
It was not a bad pick
December 18th, 2010
9:09 pm
i would love to get Nash, but no way should Marvin be in the deal…If i am not geting a 7 ft center that can play, no way im trading Marvin.too much talent…As long as we play Collins against Howard we will be ok..Marvin will eat Hedo old a$% alive…the Hawks just need to share the ball and we will be ok..
ryan
December 18th, 2010
9:12 pm
If the Hawks do make a trade for Steve Nash i will take back what i said about Sund i just hope this not a rumor if the Hawks are working the phones right now .
mattjones
December 18th, 2010
9:14 pm
Is Mr. or Ms. It was not a bad pick Marvin’s Dad or Mom? Relative? Press agent? Come on Marvin is a bust as a 2nd pick, perhaps a 22nd pick and that would be pushing it. We should get whatever we can for him if for no other reason than to dump his contract.
ryan
December 18th, 2010
9:29 pm
It would good to see Nash and JJ reunited because Joe played better with Nash and they went deep in the playoffs with the Suns .
ReddJonn68
December 18th, 2010
9:29 pm
New York is also trying to aquire Pryzbilla to give Amare some help down low.
bigdave
December 18th, 2010
9:31 pm
Magic about to drop one against Philly going 3-9 this month..
w/ us .. dallas.. san an.. and leprechauns up next.. yikes.
Jae Evolution
December 18th, 2010
9:32 pm
The East is finally cooling down, if Washington makes their FT’s they will put away the Heat. Bulls are down 8 to the Clippers at halftime, and Orlando lost to Sixers, yes I know they only have 8 players a loss is still a loss.
Blast
December 18th, 2010
9:36 pm
The Wiz needs to win this game. If they do, President Obama would have missed a dandy.
bigdave
December 18th, 2010
9:36 pm
bonehead foul from Chalmers in a tie game sending Kirk to line for go ahead 2.. kirk blows the 1st.. will he choke?
O'Brien
December 18th, 2010
9:37 pm
It was not a bad pick,
If Damien Wilkins gets Marvin’s 30 mpg, I think he would average 10 and 5 like Marvin does. Like you said, marvin is the 5th or 6th option.
So if we can trade marvin for an upgrade at PG or Center, I would do it in a NY minute.
ReddJonn68
December 18th, 2010
9:38 pm
If Orlando is panicking & shaking up their roster & we have a worst record than them, what should we do?
bigdave
December 18th, 2010
9:38 pm
lol @ washington being washington
Blast
December 18th, 2010
9:39 pm
Kurt was fouled on that last play. Of course it’s the Heat, so no call. But then again, the Wiz gave this away, adding to Miami’s confidence.
bigdave
December 18th, 2010
9:39 pm
and kirk being kirk.
keep him where he is.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
9:50 pm
Kudos for JJ for coming back early. Hope it’s not too early, he needs to be fully healed. Give Mo’ 2 weeks off and let his knee get rested.
Be careful on the trades guys, we might get what we asked for, and not like it.
Jeff Teague, I am sold on him as a basketball player, but not necessarily as a PG. That was the knock on him out of college, great athlete, not a pure PG, but too undersized for the 2. We’ll see how it pans out, but he’s getting some serious PG training from Bibby, Drew, and Van Exel.
Magic trade – where’s the beef for the Magic inside beside Dwight (C) and Bass (PF)? Richardson’s a FA after this year, no way the Magic have the money to re-sign him in the new CBA unless there is some type of ownership provision. Arenas is signed for like 5 years at around 20 mill. per. Bad knee also. Hedo has a terrible contract also. They may win a ring this year, but they have damaged themselves in the long term if you ask me.
O'Brien
December 18th, 2010
9:51 pm
If it was D-Wade who took that shot Kirk took, he would have been given 2 FT.
My biggest complaint about JJ is that he doesnt initiate contact like D-Wade or Pierce, or LeBron or those guys. JJ needs to force the refs to call the foul and send him to the line.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
9:51 pm
The Magic have swung for the fence, we’ll see if they hit a homer, or strike out, not much middle ground for them.
O'Brien
December 18th, 2010
9:53 pm
SteveW,
After this season, Arenas has 3 years, $61 mil left on his deal.
Plus in 2 years when his contract is 1 year away from expiring, he will be a huge trade chip.
Blast
December 18th, 2010
10:00 pm
And now, New York is gonna lose to Cleveland.
I guess the President is a smart man after all, though I always knew he was. He knew the Wiz would not beat the Heats tonite, so he bailed out.
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
10:03 pm
Who the hell is BooBoo?
Idk about giving up Marvin, Jamal, Bib, Mo and all picks this year for Steve Nash & Joel Pzybilla
That’s an awful lot….take Marvin Williams out though and you’ve got a deal
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:04 pm
Get Nash and Chillz for Bibby Jamal and a 1st and I’ll f’ing be on Cloud Nine
COME ON SUND
Our WINDOW IS 3 years
Nash is underpaid at 10M or so per year. Chillz is a solid 6th man
Do it, Sund If we could throw in Mo too that’d be great
Get Damien to back up Joe and Chillz to back up Marvin or even start Chillz when healthy
It was not a bad pick
December 18th, 2010
10:04 pm
O’Brien
if we trade Marvin and and get Nash, who becomes the 5th option..Josh? Would he be ok with that?
Big Ray
December 18th, 2010
10:05 pm
Hawks teammates and coaches share Bibby’s appreciation for Teague’s speed and energy. Drew has waited for more nights like Thursday and Friday when he puts those qualities to use.
“I think that’s something that a lot of young players struggle with, especially on this level – how to bring it every single night,” Drew said.
Would have much preferred to see this last season when Bibby was struggling like hell, and we needed this type of explosion. But no. We “didn’t need to throw him to the wolves.”
And you wonder how the devil Charles Barkley can defend Mike Woodson in the same sentence that he extols Larry Drew for actually playing Teague in more than just garbage minutes. Comic relief is hard to come by these days, I guess.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:10 pm
http://twitter.com/#!/search/nash%20atlanta
Well, there’s been a lot of Nash-To-Atlanta speculation. All the experts think there’s no way Nash is traded. IDK what he’ll accomplish in PHX though. I don’t even see how that team is rebuilding. They still got a few players. They have money this offseason probably to flirt with a few players.
We NEED a PG
I’d take Andre Miller too if we are not going to run the ball as much
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
10:10 pm
80 million – That is Orlando’s salary committment in 2012-13! And that’s if they let Richardson walk away in Free Agency.
Ken Strickland
December 18th, 2010
10:15 pm
RAMON-Where did you come up with the idea I said anything about Boston, or whether they were, or were not, better than Orlando?
ROD FROM CP-You seem to have serious issues with comprehension, or you just love making yourself appear to be a victim. I said, “I CAN REMEMBER EITHER SAMUEL OR ROD FROM CP”. “EITHER” means ONE OR THE OTHER, NOT BOTH. If you didn’t say it, then COMMON SENSE should have told you I wasn’t referring to you.
WHY WAS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?
With Orlando adding at least 2 new starters, and losing 2 valuable bench players, I see them going through some adjustment problems. With DHoward being foul prone, they’re going to find it hard to be effective without an adequate backup center. And in case you haven’t noticed, they has become smaller and less physical.
I don’t see these trades making them a more competitive team, especially against teams like Boston, Miami or LA. I see Arenas potentially having the same issues in Orlando that he had in Washington. With Wall running the team and controlling the ball, he was asked to play effectively without the ball in his hands, and he couldn’t.
Now he’ll definitely have to play without the ball, on a team with PG JNelson and point forward HTurkoglu. Giving up Petrius and Gortat is going to weaken their bench and overall DEF.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:16 pm
I hope we can win our next 3 games (NJN, home vs. ORL, Cle) and then get 4 days of rest til we play NOH on the 26th.
I know this team HATES winning after having extended periods of rest (over 2 days), so I’m not getting my hopes up, but we have 3 winnable games coming up and then all our hurt guys (Mo, Marvin, Joe, and Jamal) can hopefully rest up a bit
GO HAWKS
Big Ray
December 18th, 2010
10:16 pm
Grandad ,
Josh Smith for Kevin Love? Reasons to do it:
1) Love is a far more effective and consistent rebounder. In fact, a phenomenal rebounder.
2) Love plays with intelligence consistently, rarely making a dumb mistake.
3) Ability to consistently play the high/low post game with another pivot player that can be his polar opposite.
Reasons not to do it:
1) Defense. Josh is capable of changing a game on this side of the ball. Love is not. Not even close. Love’s defense can be described as adequate on a good day, less so on a bad one.
2) Love can’t play the 3, and isn’t really a 5. Guess what? This also describes Al Horford, but if you have Horford and Love, it would be insanity to have a lineup that didn’t feature both guys as starters. That places either one of them at the 5 (where neither one truly wants to be), and if going with a bigger big like Collins, one will have to come off the bench. Why? Because neither can play the 3 by any stretch of the imagination. On the flip side…..Josh can.
3) Combining Love and Horford does wonderful things for the offense and for rebounding. But neither can overcome defensive deficiencies. Horford is easily superior to Love on defense. Also consider the team concept. If this team struggles to defend with a mistake-erasing dynamic talent like Josh Smith, what will they do with yet another guy who isn’t committed to playing defense all game long, let alone every game?
I’d do the trade under one condition: If I was absolutely convinced that it would make us a better team, and that we’d be a better team without Josh Smith. Otherwise……nope. But I’m open to an intelligent counter-argument.
3)
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:16 pm
Najeh, I would trade Josh Smith for Kevin Love this second. No brainer there. Josh probably more talented, but he takes nights off and makes too many mistakes. Love would be an improvement. Too bad Sund didn’t make that move this summer. He could have. Love was on the market.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
10:17 pm
The Suns actually think they may contend this season with this move – Gortat and Lopez at Center, Warrick, Frye and Barron at PF, 5 Quality wings, and Nash and Dragic at PG. Frye now gets to move to PF instead of C, and the backlog at wing is lessened a little.
I think the Suns plan is to see if this works for the next 1 1/2 months, then either contend or blow up the team. Then Nash may be availbale. But I like this trade for the Suns. Even’s up their roster.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:17 pm
Jamal, Bibby, and 20 1st rders for Nash. Trade as many picks as possible (low 1st rders for us are worthless pretty much)
Take back Chillz if you have to
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:19 pm
Big Ray,
Too bad no one in this league wants J.Smoove. The guy is the hometown hero yet gets booed by his own fans.
The only possible Smoove trade I see is Smoove for Iguodala and that’d be a joke
We need a PG
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:19 pm
O’Brien, what about Bass? Orlando still has him as a banger down low. I think Bass is very underrated. He’s a good player.
There starting five:
PG: Nelson
SG: Arenas
SF: J-Rich (Go GREEN!)
PF: Bass
C: Howard
Bench: Turk, Redick, Duhon
That’s not a bad roster…plus, word is they still have one more trade to make.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:20 pm
That should read their starting five, by the way. Not “there starting five”
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
10:20 pm
We also could have had Micheal Beasley for a 2nd rounder this summer also…
Chris Duhon is now available from the Magic if there are any takers….
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:22 pm
FORGET NEEDING a Center
Horford is as good as most centers. There are only 2 or 3 that will dominate Horf, and we can use Collins in those scenarios.
We need to shop
Bibby + Mo ( + [picks] )
Bibby + Marvin + [picks] )
Jamal + Bibby + [picks] )
Jamal + Mo ( + [picks] )
to every team in the NBA and get a better starting PG.
Bibby will not suffice as our starting PG
And ORL was 1st seed in the East for a few week, is now 3rd place, and their management is INFURIATED with their underachieving, so they pulled the trigger
Sund shows no desperation even after getting embarrassed 2 years in a row in the Playoffs
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:27 pm
Like I said, if you want to talk about mistakes, go see what Timberwolves fans have to say about Kevin Love on defense.
Smoove >>>>>> Love, especially when the Hawks already have one power forward they are playing out of position at center.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:27 pm
SteveW, I take a pass on Duhon. He is good for a 3rd PG off the bench. Anything more than that is asking too much.
I would love to add Battier somehow. Hawks need more tough guys on the team. They added one in Damien Wilkins. Battier would be a great addition.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:29 pm
If you want Damien and Battier as your 3’s, you better be getting amazing production out of all your other guys because your offense will suffer with them out there
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:29 pm
As for Nash, on the other hand, the only reason I wouldn’t trade Joe, Smoove, or Al for him is because he is 36. If a deal for him can get done without moving one of them, the Hawks would be foolish not to take it.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:31 pm
“If you want Damien and Battier as your 3’s, you better be getting amazing production out of all your other guys because your offense will suffer with them out there”
All the Hawks need out of the SF position is rock solid defense, good floor spacing, the ability to consistently hit open shots, and energy. Those two can easily provide that.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:33 pm
Najeh, I just like the idea of a Love/Horford front court. Two smart players. Two good shooters. Two guys who ALWAYS play hard, not just sometimes play hard.
And, don’t forget, Josh has his issues sometimes on defense as well.
Let’s see:
Rebounding: advantage Love
Decision Making: advantage Love
Shot selection: advantage Love
Shot blocking: advantage Josh (not even close)
Defense: I’m calling a push (Josh more potential here, but doesn’t show up every night)
Teammate: Gotta go Love. I’ve never seen him pout during timeouts and yell at a coach.
Dunker: advantage Josh
Passer: advantage Josh
Ball Handling: advantage Josh
Toughness: advantage Love
So…5-4-1 infavor of Love…I can’t think of any other categories to compare them.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
10:34 pm
I think the Magic may be thinking of bringing Arenas off the bench, and starting Jameer and J Richardson in the backcourt, and a frontline of Hedo, Bass, and Dwight. They then have Arenas, Duhon, Q Richardson, JJ Reddick, and Ryan Anderson on the bench. I would guess they have already lit up Josh Boone’s phone in China already.
And I would also guess their trying to trade Richardson or Reddick for a 3/4. Maybe even Duhon also, because they still have Jason Williams on the roster also.
You have problems either way you go with them however. J Richardson is a great BB player, but he’s no 3. He’s about the same size as Mo’, so it would present severe defensive liabilities for the Magic with him at the 3.
And Stan Van Gundy did not want Arenas according to reports! That’s never a good sign. I think SVG either wins a championship this season, or he loses his job. And they probably will be out of the hunt next season because Orlando almost certainly won’t have J Richardson (Free Agency), and they’ll have an aging Arenas (with bad knees), Hedo (already past his prime), and Jameer. Not a good scenario.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:34 pm
I think it’s also worth mentioning that for all the complaining about Smoove’s poor shot selection, he actually has a higher effective field goal percentage than Love, mainly because Love takes way too many 3’s himself and shoots 44% from the field overall.
Really, other than rebounding, there’s nothing Love does better than Smoove. I don’t get the infatuation with him. If you just want a guy who is going to eat up boards, I’m sure Reggie Evans is available.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
10:35 pm
Sorry for all the typos in my last post…
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:36 pm
Najeh, I don’t agree at all on Battier. His offense is fine. The guy is a decent shooter. He could hold his own there.
I hate getting into dream trades, but for fun, Hawks lineup with Battier (assuming Marvin is traded for him, like others have said)
PG: Bibby
SG: Johnson
SF: Battier
PF: Smith
C: Horford
What you lose on offense (though, I don’t think it is that big of a loss, more of a push), Battier makes up for on D. He also makes up for with his smarts and guile. He would make the Hawks a better team.
Battier, even though I am no fan of Duke, one of my favorite NBA players.
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
10:37 pm
Love is younger, but you would have a team with two 4’s still starting. And I would guess that Al and Josh’s on court chemistry is better. Kevin Love = Troy Murphy on steriods.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:38 pm
“All the Hawks need out of the SF position is rock solid defense, good floor spacing, the ability to consistently hit open shots, and energy. Those two can easily provide that.”
I agree, but it’s not like we get much out of the PG position (I can count on one hand the number of 20 pt games Bibby has had in the last 2 seasons), and if Smoove is off (like he is usually against better teams), then Battier’s 7ppg or whatever anemic number he gets would not suffice
Get a PG and then I’ll be happy to get Battier
SteveW
December 18th, 2010
10:41 pm
I like Battier, but the Hawks need a PG and a True C. They may get it internally with JT and ZaZa (probably not on the last one). But I wouldn’t trade Marvin for Battier, because I don’t think it makes us that much better of a team. But maybe his toughness does, I don’t really know actually. If Battier could motivate us on a nightly basis, call Josh out when needed, and team up with Al as being great captains on the team, then maybe. I just get the feeling Battier is on the way down. But Marvin, well….
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:43 pm
“Najeh, I just like the idea of a Love/Horford front court. Two smart players. Two good shooters. Two guys who ALWAYS play hard, not just sometimes play hard. ”
Smoove: 48% FG, 42% 3FG, 51% eFG this year; 46% FG, 28% 3FG, 48% eFG career
Love: 45% FG, 40% 3FG, 49% eFG this year; 45% FG, 34% 3FG, 47% eFG career
How exactly is Love a better shooter than Smoove?
I’m going to try to find the T-Wolves message board I was reading the other day which was talking about how clueless Kevin Love is when it comes to basic defensive concepts like when to double-team. I think it was actually linked off this blog, but I don’t remember. If I find it, I’ll post the link.
EmirS.
December 18th, 2010
10:43 pm
Even a Battier that “might” be on his way down is better then a Marvin thats not on his way up.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:43 pm
LOL @ people thinking Minny would trade Kevin Love for Josh Smith. The team already has their Josh Smith in Michael Beasley.
YOU CAN’T PROPOSE TRADES IN WHICH YOU TRADE PLAYERS THE OTHER TEAM DOESN’T WANT.
Kevin Love is having one of the BEST rebounding seasons ever, comparable to Dennis Rodman and others. He is DOMINATING the glass this year. Why would they trade an ELITE rebounder for a career immature tweener who shoots 3s instead of UTILIZING his talents?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:44 pm
“Najeh, I don’t agree at all on Battier. His offense is fine. The guy is a decent shooter. He could hold his own there. ”
I wasn’t trying to say Battier can’t score if necessary, just that the Hawks don’t need scoring out of that position. I think he’d be a good fit here.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:45 pm
Damn Battier has more high scoring games than I thought. If he’s healthy, why not. But you NEED a PG. I won’t stop saying that
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:45 pm
“Why would they trade an ELITE rebounder for a career immature tweener who shoots 3s instead of UTILIZING his talents?”
You do realize Kevin Love takes over 3 3’s a game and makes a lower percentage of them than Smoove, right?
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:46 pm
LOL @ Erik Spoelstra hiding behind what the MIA big 3 is doing. What a useless head coach
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:47 pm
“You do realize Kevin Love takes over 3 3’s a game and makes a lower percentage of them than Smoove, right?”
He’s also averaging 20 & 15 and 87% FT’s
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:48 pm
JeJe, that trade (Smith for Love) could have happened this summer. We could all debate forever if it would have been a good move for the Hawks or not. But, this summer, no question, it could have happened.
Big Ray
December 18th, 2010
10:49 pm
Section 303 ,
Yep, agree that Love and Horford would be two smart players on the court. Beyond that, I don’t agree with much else (not in an offensive or malicious way, mind you).
Love tougher than Josh? How? Because he rebounds way better?
You’ve never seen Love pout during timeouts and cuss at (or about his coach). Probably true.
But you’ve never seen Josh made into a bench guy and not a starter because his defense was so bad (worse than Darko’s, which is saying something) to begin a season. Remember that at the start of this season?
Again, I see issues with Love and Horford being much too alike in position description and other things. Horford doesn’t shoot 3s, which brings Love’s shooting average down well below Al’s. Love has trouble defending 4s, let along 5s.
The problems for this team are largely defensive, not offensive. While Josh doens’t bring it every single night, I can guarantee you what Love will bring every single night – not nearly enough defense to help this team be any better than it is now, and almost a surety that it will be worse…. every night .
This is NOT AT ALL about who I like more. It’s about who fits better.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:50 pm
“He’s also averaging 20 & 15 and 87% FT’s”
He’s averaging 20 points per game on below 45% shooting and takes 3 3’s a game from the power forward position. If Smoove did this there would be a damn lynch mob on this blog screaming for him to be traded. Yeah, Love is an elite rebounder. That’s not up for debate. As an offensive player, though, he’s basically the Boston version of Antoine Walker statistically.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:50 pm
Najeh, I’m going to try and watch more T-Wolves games. I’ve not heard anyone of the guys I follow closely (Bill Simmons, Sekou Smith, Rick Bucher, Lang Whittiker) say that Love plays bad D. They all rave about him.
Moot point…trade will never happen now, anyways. Fun talk, though.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
10:54 pm
Big Ray, I don’t know…I would still do that trade. I like Josh Smith. He’s a Hawk…but the guy is just maddening. He drives me nuts. He’s almost too talented for his own good. I think that makes him less hungry.
Imagine Josh Smith’s talent combined with Mario West’s drive…would be awesome!
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
10:54 pm
Whatever, Najeh
No smart GM would ever trade Love for Smoove, and Smoove will probably not be traded in the next few years, if ever.
Like Northcyde said the other day about people being laughed at if we offered Smoove for Rudy Homo or ZBo, same thing with K.Love. He is far better than Smoove as a basketball player
Big Ray
December 18th, 2010
10:55 pm
He’s also averaging 20 & 15 and 87% FT’s
….yep…on a very sh!tty team that has NO other credible options on offense, or on the glass. What was Love averaging when Al Jefferson was there? Exactly….
Love’s numbers are great. But they do have to be examined under the circumstances. He’s option #1 up there. Horford is option #2 or #3 on average…on a playoff team…and he’s putting up only 3 ppg less….
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
10:56 pm
Basketball-Reference has a stat called “Defensive Rating”, which estimates how many points per 100 possessions a player gives up. I am generally skeptical about how accurate these advanced stats are, so take it with a grain of salt. But this stat lists Kevin Love as giving up 109 points per 100 possessions. By comparison, Smoove gives up 100, Horford gives up 103, Tim Duncan gives up 98 (he was in the low 90s in his prime), and Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford each give up 110.
So at least according to this stat, Love is worse than Smoove defensively by roughly the same order of magnitude that Smoove is worse than Duncan in his prime, and Love is negligibly better than Bibby and Jamal Crawford on defense.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
11:00 pm
Najeh, I laughed at the Bibby/Jamal numbers. My, God…the two of them are just so bad on D…
I’ve heard of that stat, but never have bothered to study it. Interesting….Josh’s numbers would be amazing if he would just bring effort every night.
Big Ray
December 18th, 2010
11:02 pm
Section 303 ,
It’s just a disagreement. I view Love’s numbers as a product of him being the only reliable player in Minnesota right now, along with his considerable talents. But I look back at how he was when Al Jefferson was there, and I see a double double guy who I never thought was quite as good as say….David Lee. For me, it really is about the fit.
The issue with Josh is, and continues to be about his maturity and habits. Yes, he can be maddening. Watch Kevin Love “play defense” and you’ll feel the same way. Love is a smart player, but there are some things he just doesn’t do. Shooting a high percentage from the field and playing defense are two things he just doesn’t do.
It’s also somewhat amusing that everyone assumes Love is so much smarter with the ball. Love averages 2.3 assists and 2.2 turnovers. Josh averages 3.8 assists and 2.7 turnovers. Alrighty then….I just don’t know how the immature dummy manages this, but the stats ain’t lyin’.
I also think it’s VERY unrealistic to think Love would even come close to putting up 20 and 15 in Atlanta, alongside Al Horford. More like 15 and 11.
Now….if you’re cool with 15 points, 11 rebounds, little to no post defense of any kind, a few three point attempts per game, and 45% shooting, then he’s your guy.
Tell me this, does he make us a better team? That’s really all I’d want to know, and my only requirement. I’ve always maintained that if you get better by trading Josh, then you do it. Does Love make us better?
Big Ray
December 18th, 2010
11:03 pm
Anyway, I’m out for tonight. I hear my name being called from upstairs in a very sweet voice…
Grandad's Love Child
December 18th, 2010
11:04 pm
JeJe STFU you are always complaining and day dreaming about stupid trades,
Anyone who wants Love over Smoove is god dam fool
Nash is alot better than what we have at PG now- make the trade asap. Bibby/ Mo/!st
Orlando just got better .Turkoglu was great in that system .Richardson is just as effective as Carter. Arenas is still a 20 ppg 5-7 assist guy. Hawks sitting on their hands as usual.
Trade marvin for Beasley
EmirS.
December 18th, 2010
11:04 pm
Compare Smith’s O. Rebs to Love’s O. Rebs. averages. Career and season. I’m rather intrested in those. Ofeensive rebounds tend to dictate ALOT of games, no?
Grandad's Love Child
December 18th, 2010
11:06 pm
Big Ray’ Whats his name?
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
11:08 pm
“JeJe STFU you are always complaining and day dreaming about stupid trades,”
LOL! What stupid trades am I proposing? Like the idiot here who said we should trade Joe for Hinrich? Or the other moron who proposed we trade 4 players for 4 Houston starters?
“Trade marvin for Beasley”
LOL yeah you are an idiot. STFU and don’t ever call me name out on here again
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
11:08 pm
“I’ve always maintained that if you get better by trading Josh, then you do it. ”
I agree, and I’ll take it one step further — unless trading Smoove either allows Horford to move to PF full time (in other words, the Hawks get back a starting caliber center) or brings back a star player who is demonstrably better (I’m talking about someone of Carmelo Anthony’s caliber, not Kevin Love) it’s not worth making the move. Love is not a center by any stretch of the imagination, and other than rebounding he really doesn’t do anything better than Smoove, and in many ways is significantly worse.
JeJe
December 18th, 2010
11:10 pm
LOL @ Najeh thinking we’d get a Carmelo-caliber player for Josh Smith. No one outside of Atlanta cares for Smoove’s game, besides his shot-blocking. His offensive game is a damn trainwreck.
Ok I’m done for the night with you people. Horrendous trade offers all around and people thinking Josh Smith could actually be traded for some of these names. LOL
Jae Evolution
December 18th, 2010
11:15 pm
Why would we trade Marvin for Battier, the only reason this team should do that trade is if they acquire either of the young PG’s Lowry or Brooks, if that isn’t part of the deal then forget about it.
Marvin is younger, has WAY more potential than Battier, and is already good enough defensively (though Shane is clearly better), also I think Battier is a better shooter than Marvin from deep, but Marvin can create his own offense which I think Battier lacks.
Grandad's Love Child
December 18th, 2010
11:16 pm
Grandad why wont you claim us we love you. Jeje dont make me cut your ballz off -I will
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
11:22 pm
Rockets GM Daryl Morey believes the Rockets are good enough to get one of the Western Conference’s final playoff berths, but probably only if he’s able to acquire a low-post defensive presence. The Rockets were one of the NBA’s best defensive teams two years ago when Yao Ming was on the floor. Without him, they’ve been among the 10 worst. Marcus Camby would appear to be an excellent fit. So might Brendan Haywood or Emeka Okafor. To win in the playoffs probably requires a star, and getting that piece to the puzzle — Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony or Josh Smith – remains atop Morey’s to-do list. At the moment, those players are unavailable (Paul and Smith) or not interested in playing for the Rockets (Anthony). For now, Morey’s blueprint is to continue to collect young, marketable complementary pieces and be as prepared as possible if a star becomes available.
DirtyMingus
December 18th, 2010
11:22 pm
“Doing bad thing is fun”
I jack of to the Victoria Secret catalog, the christmas edition is so nice.
MC looks like Ned The Wine’O Jus say’n Good night guys time to polish the bishop and call it a night.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
11:23 pm
Jeje, just proof that Josh is looked at as an all star caliber player by other teams and GMs.
Section 303
December 18th, 2010
11:23 pm
Just put on the T-wolves/Nuggets game…39-points for Love, so far. And, just after I turned it on, he hit a three.
Geemack
December 18th, 2010
11:31 pm
Enter your comments here
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
11:34 pm
Blog monster acting crazy tonight.
bigdave
December 18th, 2010
11:34 pm
im no Kevin Love fan, im not even sure what makes him “smarter” than Josh.. but 43 and 17 is insane.. plum ignorant.
Ramon
December 18th, 2010
11:36 pm
Section 303, Love has 43 points but still a +/- of -6, and Sheldin Williams is guarding him tonight. I don’t think that is that impressive. And Harrington is on the way to scoring 20 points on Love off of the bench.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 18th, 2010
11:40 pm
“LOL @ Najeh thinking we’d get a Carmelo-caliber player for Josh Smith. No one outside of Atlanta cares for Smoove’s game, besides his shot-blocking. His offensive game is a damn trainwreck.”
Smoove, Jamal, and draft picks easily trumps Favors + draft picks, which so far is what New Jersey has offered Denver. Try not to let your personal vendettas blind your ability to evaluate players. Smoove is a borderline All Star, plain and simple.
Grandad
December 18th, 2010
11:44 pm
Ramon;
(+/-) involves four other players any way you slice it.
Actually nine other players, due to whomever is on the court
for the other team.
It is an individual stat within a team achievement.
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
11:50 pm
Josh Smith for Kevin Love is just a stupid idea especially since Love’s been dominated in head to head matchups against Smith.
Love can only play one position..
Josh Smith is a point forward and the 2nd best shot blocker in the league as well as the best help defender in the league. He fills the stat sheet efficiently and consistently.
I don’t get you people saying he doesn’t bring it every night because that is a fallacy…he disappeared against only Boston (Both times) this year. IDK the reason for that because he usually plays well against them but this year he’s struggled against them. Other than those two games he’s played at an All Star level easily.
Yes he still has temper tantrums but they are fewer and don’t last as long as they used to. He’s not perfect (if he had a level head he’d be LeBron James esque). Truth is that Josh Smith can change the tide of a game in just a few possessions whether it’s an energy play or block…or if he’s pouting and whining to the refs jogging back on defense.
I think what he really needs is a mentor because he came straight from high school and hasn’t really played with any real impact veterans nor a strong head coach and basically doesn’t know HOW to win
YoDaddy
December 18th, 2010
11:59 pm
I also wouldn’t take anything less than a Carmelo type presence for Josh SMith…at the very least another all star just below superstar status.
However most of those types play on the wing. We have a top 4 center (Al). We already have a top 3 SG…that leaves PG and no team is giving up their PG (Rose, Rondo, DWill, Westbrook, Curry, etc.) so there’s basically nothing to trade him for that would make the team better. At SF LBJ, Carmelo then cut the deck…LBJ is locked up…Carmelo available but won’t extend with the Hawks. That leaves Josh Smith on the Hawks until he becomes a free agent.
Ramon
December 19th, 2010
12:02 am
Grandad you’re right. But Love averaging 0.48 blocks per game, and 0.5 steals per game, aren’t exactly screaming ready for playoff basketball.
Grandad
December 19th, 2010
12:20 am
Ramon
I’m not arguing either way.
I only posed the question.
As a Coach, I would prefer K.Love.
Although he would need to be surrounded by four stout defenders.
Plus, I consider rebounding an extension of defense.
Also I “feel” as if Al & Love would have good chem.
Having said all that;
Josh fills the stats every night.
I think Josh plays with great emotion which is contagious.
Each has a strong suit !
K.love will most likely have a longer career due to playing
on the floor and not in the air.
Landings add up. [knees]
Josh is a home town man. Let’s give him the nod.
Section 303
December 19th, 2010
12:20 am
Ramon, Sheldon Williams did not play a second of the game while I was watching.
Section 303
December 19th, 2010
12:21 am
And…thought of another category where Love has an edge on Josh…free throws. Makes the score 6-4-1 in favor of Love.
Rod from College Park
December 19th, 2010
12:21 am
“ROD FROM CP-You seem to have serious issues with comprehension, or you just love making yourself appear to be a victim. I said, “I CAN REMEMBER EITHER SAMUEL OR ROD FROM CP”. “EITHER” means ONE OR THE OTHER, NOT BOTH. If you didn’t say it, then COMMON SENSE should have told you I wasn’t referring to you.
WHY WAS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?”
According to a previous post by YOU, YOU stated that all I ever do is post about Marvin Williams, so why now would you think I would be posting about Vince Carter, Orlando, and Hedo? My name should not have been one of the EITHERS. No one else on this blog would confuse me ans Samuel, but you. I wonder why???
slimjr
December 19th, 2010
12:22 am
@ryan
“Miami and Orlando trying to out do each other if Sund does nothing than i will say he should be fired .”
RICK SUND=BILLY KNIGHT
slimjr
December 19th, 2010
12:25 am
“Josh Smith is a point forward”
Josh Smith would fumble two double D’s with his middle school handle..”Joke”. Not…….
slimjr
December 19th, 2010
12:27 am
JOSH SMITH FOR KEVIN LOVE!!!!
Ramon
December 19th, 2010
12:30 am
Section, Sheldin played 25 minutes tonight.
slimjr
December 19th, 2010
12:37 am
“Smoove is a borderline All Star, plain and simple.”
Borderline does not impress due to his lack of scoring abilities, cant finger roll,no fade away,no turn around jump shot, no bank shot, no floater.must I go on??? In his mind he’s somebody else on the offensive end. Then the 4th quarter comes along and reality sets in against the top ten defensive teams and he becomes a major liability..Shop his butt asap……
Ramon
December 19th, 2010
12:38 am
Grandad, seriously, in just about on any team I would take Josh. I guess I’m just one who believes Josh has yet to really have that kind of coaching. I can only imagine what Pop, Sloan, Phil, Rivers, Hubie, Van Gundy, and a few others would do with Josh. We all agree we still haven’t seen Josh used in a way that we think takes full advantage of his abilities the most. This season while his jumper is improved. It seems we see him on LESS back door screens at the rim than we did last season.
slimjr
December 19th, 2010
12:41 am
JS has a set shot not a true jump shot….That’s high school stuff.. Not impressive at all…
Ramon
December 19th, 2010
12:47 am
Grandad, I will say this. I may would take Kevin Love over Horford!
Ramon
December 19th, 2010
12:54 am
Think about a line up of PG, Joe, Josh, Love, Camby.
Carlos
December 19th, 2010
7:27 am
I agree with slimjr. ATL bloggers seem to think J. Smith just has so much talent. The dude is athletic and he can jump, therefore he can dunk and block shots. He can pass pretty good too. That’s about the only positives.
-He cant dribble
-His jump shot is improved but not reliable
-He cant operate in the post on offense.
-He takes wild shots.
-He’s not a lock down on-ball defended he just blocks shot
-Worst of all, despite his liabilities, he still tries to force himself to be something he’s not on offense. EVERY GAME.
The man is closer to being a BUM than an real star. Get him outta here!!!!
dap01
December 19th, 2010
8:20 am
Sund, we are tired of the CORE crap. Go get Nash.
slimjr
December 19th, 2010
8:21 am
Josh Smith for Rudy Gay….
slimjr
December 19th, 2010
8:22 am
Marvin for DWILL…
Rev in Tampa
December 19th, 2010
8:31 am
ESPN Accuscore Projections are giving the Hawks no respect. It picks the Nets over the Hawks by 53% to 47%. Its at NJ, but they’ve only won 7 games (one of the seven over the Hawks).
drmaryb (*_*)
December 19th, 2010
8:38 am
The Decision II
(aired on Every Major Network & www)
Look what hell made! LeBron has opened the pearly gates of Basketball Heaven:On Saturday, December 18, 2010, The Real GM’s of Basketball have made an attempt to re-gain control of their teams and have orchestrated a second wave, an after shock of seismic proportions, and has orchestrated a DECISION of their own. In an attempt to show it’s players – Who is really in control!
While RFA’s may control their own destiny, the rest of the players must still pack their bags and families (or not), and relocate to other Basketball Cities when told.
Do You Think?
The shaken GM’s are slightly annoyed that their power, jobs and team roles are under player attack and may become extinct and out-sourced to Super Agents and Player Consultants like the “World Wide Wesley’s” of the under world?
Fellow Bloggers, what do you think about the Saturday Blockbuster Trades
that sent:
Gilbert Arenas – Rashard Lewis
Gortat, Pietrus and Carter – Richardson, Turkologu and Filler Meat
All scrambling to pack their bags and pick up those boarding passes to report to their newly assigned fan bases?
Will Sund likewise Rise-Up and Make some Noise for his Hawks Team, that will show the World Wide Wesley’s and Players that:
He is still, relevant, employed and in charge as well?
That my friends is the Question: To Be or NOT to Be?
“If it is to be – It is up to me!
- Dr. Sid Williams –
Life College of Chiropractic
dap01
December 19th, 2010
8:47 am
The Hawks have a group of likeable, good guys who have some talent. The problem is they do not constitute a team. The seem to have been put together by accident. There has been no plan and yet we have to hear Sund talk about a core.
A collection of power forwards is not a core.
JeJe
December 19th, 2010
8:53 am
“I think what he really needs is a mentor because he came straight from high school and hasn’t really played with any real impact veterans nor a strong head coach and basically doesn’t know HOW to win”
I’ll agree with that.
However, Josh Smith is an athlete, not a basketball player
Section 303
December 19th, 2010
9:30 am
Ramon…does Josh go for 43 and 15 against Sheldon Williams? The answer is no, in case you were wondering.
You’re really reaching here. Stop trying to poke holes in a 43 and 15 game.
Ramon
December 19th, 2010
9:47 am
Section, no Josh would go for 24, 13, 8, 4 blocks, 3 steals against Sheldon Williams or anyone else.
Ramon
December 19th, 2010
9:50 am
Section, Love had a great game statistically, there’s no doubt about that. I just value the defensive side of the ball more than the offensive side.
Section 303
December 19th, 2010
9:50 am
Ramon…no, he wouldn’t. He would do that sometimes…other times he would just go through the motions. That’s what Josh Smith does.
Carlos
December 19th, 2010
9:57 am
Josh Smith is not who most of you all crack him up to be. Several people complain about Marvin’s ppg.
Marvin is shooting 47% from the field. Josh Smith is shooting leaps and bounds better at an amazing clip of 48%.
Marvin on average attempts 8 shots a game. Josh attempts 13. If Marvin took the same amount of shots as Josh on average, then their ppg would be similar.
All this complaining about Marvin and him needing to be replaced by Damien or anybody, and yet nobody points out that even the lowly Josh Powell looks better on offense than Josh “Wild Shot” Smith and shoots over 52% with a better jumper and better moves around the post.
Josh Smith is a CRAP player. Blocked shots and dunks arent going to get us out of the 2nd round, especially when it’s mixed in with questionable bball IQ, constant complaining, and wasted offensive possession of Josh Smith trying to be somebody he’s not.
No, I’m not in love with Marvin’s game. I actually could do without both him and Josh Smith. I’m just pointing out how Josh isnt so great himself.
Section 303
December 19th, 2010
10:17 am
Carlos, he isn’t a crap player. He just needs his a$$ lit on fire more often. You’re getting carried away.
Josh Smith is just one of those players who should have went to college. I would love to see him try and pull one his pouting fits on Tom Izzo. If Josh did it once, and I highly doubt he would have the balls to try, he wouldn’t do it again. A 2-year run in college would have served Josh well.
He is a poster child for why the NBA should make the age requirement be at least 20-years old.
Bo'nesehea
December 19th, 2010
10:23 am
You guys don’t understand the game of basketball. When your team has ineffective point guard play, why are some many people wanting to trade a strength for a strength. A Power Forward for Poward Forward does not make any sense. Search for the best available Point Guard and trade players whose departures will not weaken the team. Marvin, Jamal, Bibby, Maurice Evans, Teague, ZaZa and picks are players who can be traded without demenishing the teams effectiveness.
I thought guys are suppose to understand the NBA game. MEN!
Rod from College Park
December 19th, 2010
10:39 am
Carlos,
Please don’t compare Marvin Williams and Josh Smith in any way. One has heart and the other does not. One guy cares, and the other does not. One guy is timid and the other is not. One guy works on improving his game, and the other does not. One guy had to work to become an elite player, and the other was given elite status, and has not worked hard enough to stay there. One guy is clumsy and goofy, the other guy is freakishly athletic. One guy wants the spotlight, no matter what that means, and the other guy just wants to be in the crowd. These are all unteachable things, you either have them or you don’t. Marvin only attempts 8 shots a game because that is all he wants to shoot. He has been given every opportunity to be a star on this team. One guy is left wide open, and guarded by much smaller players, the other guy is game planned against, and battles much bigger and stronger players on a nightly basis. In case you did not know this, it is much easier to maintain a higher FG% with less shots. Your points about Josh are valid, but please don’t discredit him and compare him to Marvin. Josh reminds me of Micheal Vick when he was in Atlanta. Vick had all the skills, and could have been the best player in the league here, but he had no guidance, no coaching, and he did what he wanted to do. Now in Philly, he is focused, has a great coach and guidance, and you see what has happened. It is up to the Hawks organization to get Josh focused and under control.
Sautee
December 19th, 2010
10:41 am
Grandad,
I see that your suggestion prompted a good night of discussion.
Here’s what I think about pairing Love and Horford:
First, I’m in agreement with Big Ray about them both being closer to 4’s than 5’s.
That said it COULD work with this caveat: You would have to have a shut-down defensive PG, on the lines of Gary Payton or Chauncey Billups in their prime to pair with Joe. This current team allows WAY too much penetration for that pairing to work effectively. Josh indeed does clean up a lot of mistakes by his teammates. And I just don’t see Teague developing into that (Glove) kind of defensive player, though he definitely shows promise on the defensive side.
But with a first rate defender paired with Joe, it could be effective to have both Love and Horford. To me, that’s the ONLY way it works.
Carlos
December 19th, 2010
10:43 am
Marvin Williams and Josh Smith are both scrubs……The Hawks wont ever be an elite team until both are gone.
Marvin plays scared….like a little girl
Josh Smith whines and cries…like a little girl
We dont need any females on this team. They are WNBA players.
“I want winners!!!!”
Section 303
December 19th, 2010
10:51 am
Everyone, Bo’nesehea has come down from up above to pountificate.
Albert Patterson
December 19th, 2010
10:57 am
I have been highly critical of Jeff Teague in the past but over the past few games he has started to show me his talents. He has improved quite a bit with his aggressiveness and if he can work on protecting the ball, I think he can become a star in the NBA.
Jamillion
December 19th, 2010
10:58 am
Don’t know where all the josh smith hate is coming from, you guys are just prejudice & bitchy. Boneshea said it best you trade the trash and get better. The equivalent of what you are requesting is a billy knight move, you guys are so hypocritical.
Sautee
December 19th, 2010
11:00 am
LOL@ Carlos thinking that the player who came in SECOND in voting for Defensive Player of the Year is a scrub.
That’s freakin’ hilarious!
You may hate Josh Smith’s game Carlos, but in NO WAY could any fair appraisal of Smith’s talents come up with “scrub”.
Unless for you any non-All-Star is a “scrub”.
Carlos
December 19th, 2010
11:08 am
Real All-Stars are guys you can surround with other players, and that guy can lead you to having a good/great team.
Josh Smith will never lead a team. He’s a playground player that performs best in those ugly, scrappy games and relies on his athleticism, with almost 0% bball skill.
Too bad that crap isnt going to cut it after the first rd. in the playoff against solid teams.
I cant believe you guys think this dude is an All-Star. You would rather see Josh Smith dunking on the New Jersey Nets than the team beating the Celtics or Heat.
You cant give the ball to Josh and tell him to go get you baskets.
Sautee
December 19th, 2010
11:21 am
Notice, Carlos, that I didn’t say Josh was an All-Star. But to claim that he’s a “scrub” is either pure hate, or a lack of perspective.
So you think Memphis offered 58 million to a “scrub”?
Gimme a freakin’ break..
Ken Strickland
December 19th, 2010
11:23 am
DEFENSE, especially perimeter DEFENSE, is the hawks biggest problem, and anyone who has watched the Hawks, and who knows anything about basketball, should already know that. How in the hell can we expect to improve our perimeter DEF by bringing in SNash, the only PG in the entire NBA that’s an even bigger DEF liability than MBibby.
The Hawks have an offensive system already in place that has allowed the team to score enough PPG to win consistently. So with that in mind, why would anyone suggest we trade for SNash, a 36yr old one dimensional DEF liability.
Common sense should tell anyone that a team doesn’t get measureably better by adding to the problems it already has. If I was going to go after a vet PG, it would be a DEF minded one like CBillups, not a DEF liability like SNash. With the MOTION OFF already in place, we don’t need a dynamic PG like CP3, SNash, DWill, or DRose. We need a PG that can:
1-PLAY SOLID ONE THE BALL PERIMETER DEF,
2-run the OFF, be effective without the ball, and command the respect of strong on court personalitird like JJ, Bibby and Jamal,
3-penetrate and finish,
4-score consistently enough to make opposing PG’s play DEF and make teams pay if they double team.
We don’t need a super star caliber PG to fill those requirements. Like I’ve said before, we need a PG with the combined skills of MBibby and JTeague. I believe that would be a far more realistic goal than constantly day dreaming and engaging in delusional fantasizing about us trading for high profile super stars like CP3, SNash, CAnthony etc.
If JTeague can gain and maintain the confidence and consistent performance level he’s provided over the last 2gms, the Hawks would definitely take a giant leap towards the next level. He would allow us to start every gm with solid DEF and the ability to push the ball and maintain an uptempo OFF. Bibby would provide us with solid perimeter scoring when needed off the bench.
Idiot are rampant
December 19th, 2010
11:31 am
“DEFENSE, especially perimeter DEFENSE”
The hawks aren’t losing games from the perimeter. Nobody’s killing us with bombs from the arc. The hawks are getting killed just like last year….in the paint and particularly under the basket, so badly that Al Horford is begging to be removed from the post and is now playing a perimeter game.
Stop the bleeding
get a center
Idiots are rampant
December 19th, 2010
11:33 am
* idiots are rampant
terrell
December 19th, 2010
11:35 am
Chauncey would be great for this team.
Sautee
December 19th, 2010
11:44 am
Rampant idiocy is not seeing that perimeter defense is exactly what keeps penetration from happening, or at the very least, impedes and lessens it. If you have excellent perimeter defense, the ball gets INTO the paint less.
T-s, your hate for Horford is making you lose perspective on overall defensive concepts.
So, did you find a library open on Sunday morning? By the way, I’ve already alerted the AJC, so post while you can from that IP address.
Dept. of Unintended Irony
December 19th, 2010
11:50 am
“Idiot are rampant ”
enough said.
ROFLMAO
Idiots are rampant
December 19th, 2010
12:28 pm
If you stop the guard (which aint happening because 95% of the guards are the best ball handlers on their team), hes going to pass the ball inward. It is foolish (sorry if this calls you out Sautee/Dept. of Unintended Irony) to think you can stop the ball from getting inside. You cant. You cannot stop the ball from getting to the post whether you dribble it there or pass it.
Yes Idiots are rampant.
To say that Horford is inadequate to defend the post does not interpret to hate, Sautee. Your charge is very childish, immature.
I agree With Al Horford, who says, “the hawks need an impact center and I want to go back to power forward”
Now, Sautee, does that mean Al Horford hates himself?
Blue Moon Odem
December 19th, 2010
12:38 pm
So if I tell my out field to pull up and play shallow does that mean that the other team cant hit the ball to the out field?
bigdave
December 19th, 2010
12:41 pm
Joe da’ Pro..
3rd best SG in league. hands down.
Ken Strickland
December 19th, 2010
12:51 pm
IDIOTS ARE RAMPART-an appropriate moniker for you indeed. If you don’t think perimeter DEF has a direct effect on interior DEF, then you are your namesake. No team demonstrated that fact any better than Denver. They had AIverson, the NBA’s most prolific scoring PG at the time, and MCamby, the DPOY, and NBA leader in rebounding, blocked shots.
They realized if they improved their PERIMETER DEF, they wouldn’t need what MCamby brought to the table. They proved the importance of good perimeter DEF by adding CBillups, an outstanding perimeter on the ball perimeter defender.
With the much improved PERIMETER DEF, they were able to replace Camby with his backup, Nene, who is nowhere near the shot blocker or rebounder Camby is. As a result, the team improved defensively because it improved their PERIMETER DEF. Both the Nuggets and Pistons have proven you don’t need a big, dominant DEF center if you have solid perimeter DEF. If you could get past your stupid Horford bias, you’d probably be able to see and accept what I’m talking about.
slimjr
December 20th, 2010
1:22 am
Answer me this. Has Denver or Detroit won a Championship lately????? Hawk fans can’t see the trees in the forest….The 3 stooges (Marivn, Josh, AL) are toast. The experiment has failed!! Shop these busters yesterday RICK SUND! Oh that’s right, RICK SUND=BILLY KNIGHT Jr
yodaddy
December 20th, 2010
1:53 pm
I can do Chauncey Billups in Atlanta….matter of fact…he might be perfect. Absolutely perfect.
Chauncey has pedigree. Experience, he plays defense, he can knock down the 3, he’s consistent, he’s done enough to command the respect of the young players, he’s been a Finals MVP and he knows what it takes and not to mention he’s Mr. Big Shot. And that allows more room for Joe Johnson to do his thing. He’s big, he’s strong, and he’s still somewhat fast.
He’s older and more injury prone plus he isn’t playing that well right now….so maybe we can get him for less than normal???
Mo Evans & Bibby for Chauncey Billups?