Atlanta Hawks: Celtics 102, Hawks 90

Boston–Here’s the thing: The results don’t show context. They don’t note injuries or bad luck or nice efforts or anything like that. They only show Ws and Ls and for the Hawks they show that they can’t beat the better teams on their schedule.

  • You know the list: Phoenix, Orlando, Utah, Dallas, Miami, San Antonio and now Boston. “We have got to have these games,” Marvin said. “It’s not really early in the season anymore. We’ve got to do a better job closing these games out.”
  • The truth is the Hawks went to Boston and had a chance to win without J.J. and Jamal. They’ve never been completely healthy for any of their games against the best teams.
  • “What you have got to understand is we don’t have all our weapons,” Smoove said. I don’t think you can really measure where we are at as a team like those teams that you are naming unless we have all our horses running.”
  • I know that sounds like too much excuse making for fans, and I get that. But you know what? Smoove makes a fair point.
  • Yet it’s also true is that the Celtics turned them back without Rondo and three centers: Shaq, J. O’Neal and Perkins. Guard Delonte West was out, too, and Von Wafer lasted two minutes before leaving the game.
  • The Celtics are deeper and better, which might be expected given their payroll and pedigree but, again, the standings don’t care about stuff like that.
  • “They are an experienced team,” Al said. “They just know how to play.”
  • “They made plays and they tried to exploit our mismatches all night,” Marvin said. “They were tough.”
  • As long as Rick Sund sticks with the “core” philosophy, the Hawks are going to have to figure it out. Their challenge is to see if through experience, and despite their shortcomings, they can reach that level. Then maybe they win tight games against good opponents and others will be talking about how they know how to play and how they exploit mismatches.
  • “I am going to maintain my patience,” L.D. said. “The encouraging thing is we can look at a game against Miami on the road, San Antonio on the road, even Orlando the first time on the road, and now here we are against Boston on the road we are right there in the fourth quarter. We just can’t get over the hump. I am glad that we are right there but we’ve got to mentally learn how to get over the hump.”
  • Once again, you can point to a few missed chances cost the Hawks at winning time.
  • The Hawks trailed 77-75. Ray Allen steals the ball from Josh Powell, but Marvin hustles back to block Allen’s shot and start a Hawks fastbreak. But then Teague throws the ball away and, on Boston’s next possession, no one blocks out Glen Davis and he puts back a miss.
  • On Atlanta’s next possession, Nate Robinson ties up Teague and forces a jump ball. The Celtics controlled the tip, and then Robinson set up Pierce for a 3. After Marvin misses, Erden somehow finds himself free for a baby hook in the lane that made it 84-75.
  • Teague had three of Atlanta’s six fourth-quarter turnovers, marring what was otherwise a standout effort. Maybe it will mean his return to the rotation, as long as L.D. is willing to live with his mistakes.
  • “He came out that first half, really really aggressive on the floor,” Drew said. “That’s what he has to do every time he steps on the floor. That’s what I am looking for. I need that. He’s the only guy that has that speed and has that type quickness that can change the flow and tempo of the game. He did a great job again.”
  • Teague’s teammates were going wild as he was getting steals and dunks.
  • “Coaches told us to go out there and push the ball and be aggressive and play. Turnovers are going to happen but you just have to keep playing,” he said. “I just wanted to make an impact on the game. Me and Jordan at the beginning of the game, we had to make an impact, and hopefully get some stops on the defensive end and make some plays out there.”
  • Josh was out of sorts offensively. He didn’t have any touch around the rim. “I was in it on the defensive end, I just couldn’t help out offensively,” he said. “Good thing about it I have a chance to redeem myself tomorrow against Charlotte. I just can’t stop believing in myself. I think I got down on myself too early in the game because things weren’t falling.”
  • Josh had just two points in the first game against the C’s. This time he couldn’t finish in the post against Pierce.
  • “He didn’t have that explosiveness like he normally has around the basket,” Drew said. “That was very noticeable early in the game. I didn’t think we would totally dominate the matchup with Pierce, but I thought we would have a much larger advantage against Pierce with him using his size and strength and experience. He missed some easy shots. He rushed a few shots. He didn’t seem like he had that energy.
  • Al picked up his second foul with 4:25 left in the first quarter. He stayed on the bench the rest of the half and finished with eight points, 4 of 7 shooting, seven rebounds, 26 minutes and three fouls.
  • “That’s happened to him before and he has come back and bounced back in the second half,” L.D. said. “But he just never got into an Al Horford rhythm. But again, there are going be games where there are nights like this.”
  • Al had ice packs on both hands after the game. “I’m not going to make excuses about anything,” he said. “I hurt it against Indiana. My shooting has been like this for a couple games. It is really swollen so I have to make sure I ice it to keep it down. But it’s nothing serious.”
  • JC2 passed up an open shot early, the first indication that the rookie was off. He looked rushed while committing three unforced turnovers. “I hadn’t played since the last few minutes against Toronto,” he said. “I just wanted to get back in the flow but my timing was off. It was little mistakes I shouldn’t make regardless if you don’t play or not. That’s all on me. “
  • The Hawks didn’t let Robinson get on a roll this time (despite his 41 minutes) but Pierce hurt them as the point forward. “You could see [Robinson] was just out of rhythm with the ball,” Doc Rivers said. He was struggling with the ball and with his passing. So we just made Paul the point guard and it worked out.”
  • Powell played 4:19 of the fourth quarter and had all zeros across his stat line except for a turnover. Zaza had the same minutes in the final period and had a rebound and a steal.
  • Wilkins showed some life offensively while scoring scoring 10 points. He got four free-throw attempts through some crafty plays. He’s helping the Hawks.
  • At one point in the first half, the Celtics dropped off Mo to let him shoot a 3-pointer, and he looked like he didn’t want to do it. He finally halfheartedly chucked up a brick. It looks like his confidence is sagging.

Michael Cunningham

257 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

December 17th, 2010
12:44 am

“# They’ve never been completely healthy for any of their games against the best teams.
# “What you have got to understand is we don’t have all our weapons,” Smoove said. I don’t think you can really measure where we are at as a team like those teams that you are naming unless we have all our horses running.””

Like you pointed out, the Celtics were down to their 4th string center and were missing their best player. No excuses. The Celtics are just a better team.

As for all the other good teams to whom the Hawks have lost, at some point you have to beat at least some of those teams if you are a good team yourself. It’s one thing to go .500, or even .400 against them; it’s another thing to go winless.

J.J.M.

December 17th, 2010
12:45 am

POOR HAWKS..*SARCASTIC*

I Believe In This Team

December 17th, 2010
12:49 am

I know we lost but Im still excited about the effort. Great game Marvin. Love Teague’s aggressiveness and passion. We we’re missing two big pieces and the guys still came out and tried to earn a W.

There are moral victories and there are signs of good things to come. Lets not confuse the two.

drmaryb (*_*)

December 17th, 2010
12:57 am

HOF’rs -vs- Scrubs!

SteveW fixed his mouth to say this:

“drmaryb,

Please do not ever compare Coach Drew to Phil Jackson or any other Hall-of-Fame level coach. ”

First of All Sir:

Phil Jackson has NEVER coached a Scrub! Ever! He can drop to his Broke Hipped Knees and kiss MJ & Kobes pair of BALLS for each and every one of his 10 Rings that they gave him!

Like Barkley said, “YOU CAN NOT WIN w/o PLAYERS!

Phil has hand-picked TWO TEAMS to Coach: Bulls and Lakers!
You don’t coach HOF’rs and stacked benches:

You sit on your azz, cross your good leg over your bad leg and watch them demolish inferior talent!

Hell! You could clock out from your day job, show up at the Lake-Side Show, chat with Jerry Buss about what the team needs, smoke a fattie and WIN five Rings too!

Give Me a Break! Phil wouldn’t even bother to get on a plane to come here and coach an Atlanta Spirit – Hot Mess team like this!

JSS

December 17th, 2010
1:25 am

@ Dr Mary B…
He (Jackson) coached Will Perdue and Stacy King… The man coached some scrubs!!! Happy Holidays my blogging Doctor :-)

JSS

December 17th, 2010
1:29 am

@ Michael Cunningham…
That is as fine of a breakdown of a game as this paper has seen in a very long time… Congrads!

mykhalc

December 17th, 2010
1:43 am

a bit bi-polar but 100% delusional!!! who keep hittin’ rewind every year??? SMDH

Reggiet

December 17th, 2010
1:48 am

Well Marvin had a good game which means it’s time for him to disappear for the next two weeks.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 17th, 2010
1:52 am

Charles Barkley just called Semih Erden “that big semen kid”.

In the entire history of Barkleyisms, that might be the funniest. Even better than the time he called himself a dumbass.

SteveW

December 17th, 2010
1:52 am

Drmaryb – That was a Steve W who posted about you not me (SteveW). Somebody trying to be slick there….

SteveW

December 17th, 2010
1:54 am

So Josh has 3 points combined in 2 games versus the Celtics? I think those vets are in his head big time in Bean Town.

Clyde

December 17th, 2010
2:01 am

In my 6 or 7 years on this blog I think I have heard every excuse in the book on why the Hawks didn’t get the job done.

J.J.M.

December 17th, 2010
2:13 am

E43

December 17th, 2010
2:15 am

I think LD has a good done a good job with a hobbled team but i just think that he doesn’t let players prove their worth sometimes.
Our bench played well today. if josh+al had their 10+ish points then this would’ve been a much closer game.
I also feel like benching teague an entire game is just unacceptable. i understand that theres a game-plan, and hes not quite polished and all but at least put the him out there for a minute and then decide whether or not he should get more minutes. Sometimes good things can happen given the chance.

northcyde

December 17th, 2010
2:26 am

Sorry Josh . . but that excuse doesn’t work tonight.

It doesn’t work, because we got 26 out of Marvin and 18 out of Teague. Those are JJ and Jamal type numbers out of two guys that we’re lucky to get 10 points combined out of, on a given night.

A team like Boston isn’t going to take us lightly, nor feel sorry for us having people out. So when we’re right there in striking distance, we have to make winning type plays.

That means when Ray Allen is shooting a 3 in the corner, and you’re running at him, you don’t DUCK and run at his legs, giving him a clear view at the basket.

No Josh . . . you run at him with your arms in the air. Or better yet, jump at him and throw that dang jumper into the stands.

And just bcause you don’t make shots, doesn’t mean you can’t excel at other things. What happened to the assists you used to rack up?

No Josh . . . we had replacements step up big time for our injured weapons. It’s just that unfortunately, YOU didn’t show up and play at a high level tonight.

And it’s unacceptable for you, of all people, to only grab 4 rebounds. That’s 5 games now, in which you’ve don that with JJ out. We have lost 4 of those games.

It doesn’t matter if it’s you, or Joe Johnson, or Al Horford, or whomever. When a game is still in the balance, someone individually, or the team collectively, have to make WINNING plays.

Even when people are out, if a game is close, make a damn play. No whining allowed. Just make a play.

Atlanta Fawkers

December 17th, 2010
2:41 am

No one cares anymore. ESPN said this team was Groundhog Day (the movie) because it is the same thing as past 4 years with no sign of change. Trade some of these scabs now and build for the future unless owners are happy with just getting to the playoffs. Go Falcons!

** Apologies to Woody. Was not your fault man and be glad you are out of this mess.

Clyde

December 17th, 2010
3:11 am

Instead of making an excuse Josh should have kept it 100 and said I didn’t feel like playing today.

northcyde

December 17th, 2010
3:12 am

LOL @ Groundhog Day.

I don’t mind the loss. I just don’t want to hear excuses about the loss, when were only down 2 in the middle of the 4th quarter.

It’s amazing that Marvin’s quote was the best of the night.

sam'l

December 17th, 2010
4:09 am

Au contraire…it was Woody’s fault…..we’re seeing the bad habits he created.

Teague was cool, except he just managed to throw the game away at the end. Josh was as expected super-energetic and wound up to redeem the Detroit disaster….just a little TOO hyped up to control hiimself. How do the Hawks get excited over Teague’s shots? Shouldn’t the Hawks be totally into and fact they’re playing the potential NBA champs on their own home floor and totally into winning the game? I consider this a problem.

By the way, Pierce and Robinson are not forgiven tor showboating during the game. Their little airplane rides are stupid and asinine. However, they both did play well…

Atlanta loses another game they could have had. But sub players stepped up…..that’s enouraging. The mystery of Marvin Wiliams continues…Obviously he can play, but why can’t he play with the starting five……and what happened to Josh Smith……really?

That was the ballgame….

Au revoir

December 17th, 2010
5:12 am

Larry Drew is really doing a terrible job. I am annoyed by his coaching strategy, I cringe at his rotation management, I am incredibly frustrated with his inability to properly utilize his players, and I cannot stand the fact that he never owns up to his own mistakes. It’s enormously disappointing. It’s disheartending to see our potential going to waste. The “Fire Woody” train was going strong when people became fed up with his same old routines that would get the Hawks into trouble, but it took a disappointing and historic playoff sweep for the Hawks to finally cut ties with him. What is it going to take to get rid of Drew? The more I watch the Hawks this season, the more I dislike that man as a coach and the more fed up I become with the fact that he is causing our talented young team to regress.

A flawed Mike Woodson was able to get this team to win 53 games last season, and I don’t care what anyone says, our team is not worse than it was last season (personnel-wise) and the East is not stronger, overall. One team’s loss is another team’s gain when it comes to players. The Hawks have not had a particularly brutal schedule and Drew can’t even get the team to play at nearly as high of a level as Woodson. Woodson had served his purpose and it was time for him to leave, but the team should have been taken over by someone who understands the game and players better. Drew is hurting our team and our players. He’s causing the team to play away from their strengths and he’s restraining our best player (Horford) from blooming. He’s really holding him back, singlehandedly. The team, itself, is being held back with Drew’s biased management and infatuation with role players. This needs to come to an end. Enough is enough.

cdog

December 17th, 2010
7:33 am

the hawks will lose and suffer as long as they have rick sund as their GM point blank.feel sorry for die hard hawks fans. you have a loser. things won’t get any better.

terrell

December 17th, 2010
7:37 am

Like the effort without our 2 best scorers. Sometimes the other team is just better than you are.

Techster

December 17th, 2010
7:54 am

It is no secret that this team is going nowhere fast, even when JJ and Crawford return. I hate to criticize Marvin after a great game, but we’ve seen him step up and have great games when needed enough times over the years now to know that he is capable of playing like this much more often than he does. He has had some great games before when JJ or someone else was out. Unfortunately, most of the time, he’s just out there cashing paychecks.
After making progress for many years after dismantling the team, Hawks management downshifted into neutral last year and everyone knows it. They’ll make the playoffs this year as a 4 – 6 seed and then get steamrolled by a superior opponent. Just like the last couple years.

It was not a bad pick

December 17th, 2010
8:23 am

Good games by Marvin and Jeff…Marvin will continue to put up big numbers if given the chance…I still do not understand why Josh gets more touches than marvin..Josh should focus on rebounding and defense..Marvin is clearly the better offensive player..Joe Max is the number 1 option,Marvin should be 2nd.If he got the touches Al gets he would easily score 19-25 ppg ..Last night was a perfect example of what to do with a former #2 pick..RUN PLAYS FOR HIM….Quit holding this monster back..

drmaryb (*_*)

December 17th, 2010
8:23 am

Steve W

Somebody is trying to jack your I’d. I’ll give you one guess, who that imposter is – Yep! You got it, it’s the Viral Trolle.

Section 303

December 17th, 2010
8:34 am

I knew one of the Hawks would have to break out the “we’re not at full strength” excuse (and, that’s what it is. Total excuse.) Part of the reason I was so annoyed after last night’s game was my anticipation of quotes like Josh Smith gave.

First off, this is the NBA. You suit up and play with who you have. All teams deal with injuries. Were the Celtics at full go last night? Nope. Last year did the Hawks get a bunch of wins against teams that were short handed? Yep. Did the Hawks lose some games short handed? Yes.

No excuses, no explanations in this league. Josh, grow up. If memory serves, the Hawks were at full go for the Orlando series last year. How did that turn out?

I’m calling it right now….Hawks lose tonight. They played pretty well against the Celtics. I don’t think they can bring that kind of energy a 2nd straight night.

Section 303

December 17th, 2010
8:37 am

It was not a bad pick, enough already. Stop. “Don’t hold the monster back”? You really want to be held to that? Marvin played well last night. And, I agree, he was not as bad of pick as many make him out to be.

But, let me ask you this….you get to do the ‘05 draft over again. You still taking Marvin over Derron Williams?

Guido

December 17th, 2010
8:43 am

Time to trade Marvin and Zaza to get a real defensive center next to Horford like Haywood or Camby. Morale victories are no good for this team. Hawks have to execute too may excuse in this article!!!!!.

With guys being injured they have to cut back on the self-inflicted wounds. It seems like the dumb plays are turnovers are mounting up. Where is Bibby’s leadership?

Guido

December 17th, 2010
8:45 am

Cue “I GOT YOU BABE” Because this is Ground Hog’s Day!!!!!!!

dukester

December 17th, 2010
8:49 am

Good morning the number one Marvin hater is in the building!!! Hey Marvin i want to congratulate you on a very game. You stepped up in the absence of JJ and Jamal. Hey look I am not asking you to play like this every night. Marvin if you could do these things i will start to cheer for you. Play tough defense night in and night out against your man, Promise me 10 rebounds a night, this is the biggest problem we have. And play with aggression and confidence. If you do those things you will be a welcomed Hawk in my eyes. But I warn you if you come out the next game and get 2 pts and 1 rebound you will fall back on the hot seat. Good game Marvin.

Double Zero Eight

December 17th, 2010
8:52 am

The Hawks are a mediocre team. They have no inside game. They live and die by the outside shot.
Their field goal percentage for outside shots is abysmal. When everyone get healthy, they will be a
good team, but they will not be an “elite” top tier team. As a result, they will not go very far in the
playoffs. They simply will not be able to beat, Milwaukee, Boston, Dallas or Orlando in a 7 game series. Unfortunately, that is the ugly truth.

Mike is back

December 17th, 2010
9:01 am

MC, marvelous job of breaking down the game…U keep doing that…ain gon have much to say. lol

You called it right…THE HAWKS GOTTA…STAY TOGETHER AND PLAY TOGETHER…NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ejh

December 17th, 2010
9:08 am

As a Hawks fan I am disappointed in the loss but not the effort. The team is losing close games in the fourth quarter because of turnovers. When they clean that up they are going to be right there. I say again by the end of the season and going into the playoffs this is going to be a team that no one wants to play in any round, because once they learn the mental aspect of the game, because they have the talent and athleticism, they are going to be very scary. Not only that because of injury Teague and Crwaford are going to get plenty of gametime action which is going to bold well for this team down the stretch. I’d rather take the losts in december and january why guys are learning, than in March and April. This team will make it to the eastern conference finals barrring any season ending injuries to any key guys.

JeJe

December 17th, 2010
9:12 am

LD is really starting to piss me off.

He benched Marvin and Damien for WAY too long in the 1st half with this BS 2 foul rule.

NO ONE ON THE TEAM finished with over 3 fouls! NOBODY WAS CLOSE TO FOULING OUT.

That run at the end of the 2nd qtr by Boston destroyed us.

Section 303: You are a serious joke if you think we don’t win a game like this or SAS with a healthy JJ in the lineup.

it was not a bad pick: You keep making outlandish statements like Marvin would be the best SF in the NBA, then backtracking and saying he’d be 4th best (you didn’t the same thing when you said Joe had biggest contract in NBA). Stop saying stupid ish

LD STEP IT UP

lewis

December 17th, 2010
9:17 am

The Bobcats (9-16) have been plummeting of late, with two losses of 30 points or more in the past six days. After a 33-point loss Wednesday to the Memphis Grizzlies, coach Larry Brown described his team’s performance this way: “I had to get on them at halftime – beg them to play. That’s not what I’m supposed to be doing,’’ Brown said. “No effort, no teamwork, guys don’t run back. They blame it on the referees.’’ Charlotte Observer

sounds like woody during the playoffs

JeJe

December 17th, 2010
9:19 am

Is there any video out there of Horford’s Tech on Nate? LOL

It was not a bad pick

December 17th, 2010
9:20 am

Section 303

“But, let me ask you this….you get to do the ‘05 draft over again. You still taking Marvin over Derron Williams?”

Yeah i would still take Marvin, There was only 2 mistakes that Billy Knight made..1.Mike Woodson2.Sheldon Williams…Marvin has never had an oppurtunity to shine..I remember a couple years back,Joe Max got hurt and Marvin responded by eating up Carmelo in Denver and 2 more big scoring games..When Joe Max returned it was the same old crap..Iso Joe…D Will was given the keys from day one…Just face it, this is JOE MAX team…And he is simply not good enough to carry the hawks anywhere.We paid him the big bucks…Marvin is basically a role player on this team, he has the talent to be a top 5 SF if given the shots…But last night was a perfect example of his talents and why Mil had to think hard Bogut or Marvin…

JeJe

December 17th, 2010
9:20 am

This is like I was saying before the game yesterday:

These guys aren’t desperate to win games – they just say stuff like “we gotta make sure we don’t get embarrassed.” Every game against a good team it’s the same ish: turnovers in the 4th

IT’S TIME TO BREAK UP THE CORE. You don’t win titles with the same damn starting lineup 4 years in a row

SteveW

December 17th, 2010
9:24 am

We are still a very immature team. We don’t have Boston’s “edge”. They are professionals. We are wannabe’s. It’s as simple as that. Until we want rings instead of the NBA lifestyle, we will continue to be wannabe’s. Maybe in a couple of years it will all kick in.

Grading LD:
On Pre-game Strategy an A. He always seems to have a good game plan of what we need to do to win the game. Marvin at Ray last night – good. Starting the Big lineup, good.

During games, I can’t stand his rotations. His 2 foul rule in the first half is atrocious, but I guess other guys in the League do it. I would go more by feel and matchups than a 2 foul rule. If you want to get an effective Hawk out of the game, just drive on him a few times and he’s gone. Then you have Josh Powell in the game instead of Al etc.

If would give him an F for in game coaching. So the 2 equal a C for LD. That’s about right. right.

Suggestions: I would start ZaZa instead of Twin, and see if that motivates him. We need ZaZa and JT to be effective to be any type of contender. And I would play JT more, mistakes and all. I kinda hope Jamal’s still out tonight, so we get some more looks at JT and JC2, only going to help them.

One last thing. I think LD being an old NBA’er himself, starts Bibby and Collins in deference to vets, rather than developing talent. I think it’s an old school thing. JT is as athletically gifted as any PG in the League, and I mean Rose, Rondo, and Wall in that also. He needs time on the court to get comfortable. He was way too tenative in the 4th quarter last night. And if you saw him at Wake Forest, you know that is not his game. But he’s scared to make a mistake, because LD (aka Woody lite) will ream him out.

SteveW

December 17th, 2010
9:26 am

“I” not “if” to begin 4th paragraph above.

Rev in Tampa

December 17th, 2010
9:26 am

MC,

That was one of the best game break-downs that I have ever read. Thanks for the play-by-play of the critical juncture of the game.

It was a tough loss to take because the game belonged to the Hawks. I kept expecting Josh to breakout of his funk, but instead the Celtics pulled out the dagger.

SteveW

December 17th, 2010
9:28 am

Lewis – And Josh on a bad night.

Section 303

December 17th, 2010
9:31 am

JeJe, we’re beating the Spurs and Celtics, on the road, with Joe. Let me know when you return to reality. The Hawks don’t win either of those games, full strength or not. You know that, too. You can cut it out now.

It was not a bad pick, you wouldn’t take Marvin over Derron Williams. Please…you’re getting carried away. Look, I have no love for Joe Johnson. But, I do think that Coach Drew’s offense has helped with spreading the ball around. I goto 35-37 regular season games a year for the past 7-years. There is a difference. That’s not knocking Woodson, either.

But Marvin is too easy to take out of a game and he never sustains good effort. Last night he was good. Tonight…he won’t be. Just watch.

darrell starks

December 17th, 2010
9:31 am

TWIN MUST STARTE THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR,

It was not a bad pick

December 17th, 2010
9:34 am

JeJe

“it was not a bad pick: You keep making outlandish statements like Marvin would be the best SF in the NBA, then backtracking and saying he’d be 4th best (you didn’t the same thing when you said Joe had biggest contract in NBA). Stop saying stupid ish”

Oh here we go again, Last night spoke for its self, i been screaming for days that Marvin only need more plays called for him..his jumper is sweet…Marvin is not better than LBJ,Mello, and Durant, but other than those 3,Marvin has equal or more ability than all the rest..Granger gets 20 shots or better every night.. If Marvin got 20 attempts a night he would average 25 easily..Carron Butler lol..Marvin would rip him a new one if given the chance.to big and strong..I think deep down you know the Hawks screwed up given Joe Max all that money.He is not the highest paid but he has a max deal, and never shows up when it counts…no way around it…Time to let Marvin shine…He would have been a top 5 pick out of high school…

Rev in Tampa

December 17th, 2010
9:36 am

Since SteveW is giving LD suggestions, I will give my two cents…

A lot is happening during the last 5 minutes of the game. This is where the Hawks are struggling. Maybe LD should watch these games where the Hawks fall apart at the 5 minute mark with his coaching staff and let them grade his decisions, discuss the decisions he could have made, and plan how LD will manage these types of games. Just like professionals quarterbacks improve their game when the game ’slows down for them’, this practice might help LD overcome that ‘deer in the headlights’ approach to managing the Hawks down the stretch in close games.

I am saying this as a big supporter of Coach Drew.

darrell starks

December 17th, 2010
9:40 am

You can tell the differance when twin starte, the defense is so much better, i just think LD have 2 play him longer than 14min it’s not enough, LD should always substitute defense for offense and when he played teague and bibby together i was wonder what the H is LD doing, LD HAVE 2 COACH MUCH SMARTER THAN THAT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Samuel

December 17th, 2010
9:41 am

Both teams full strength, the Celtics are 15 pts better.

darrell starks

December 17th, 2010
9:41 am

Marvin will be M.I.A for the next 5games watch and see.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

It was not a bad pick

December 17th, 2010
9:42 am

Section 303

DWill has never won a ring, come on man..It isnt like Bowie over Jordan.Utah is Dwill team..Marvin should be the 2nd option afterJoe Max only due to contract reasons…I dont know why it seem stupid or crazy that i believe in a guy coming off a national title game in which he made the key tip in as a freshman against Dwill’s fighting Ilini,almost drafted number 1 in the whole draft,.The hawks have held him back..No way Smith gets more touches than Marvin….