Atlanta Hawks: Pistons 103, Hawks 80

Auburn Hills, Mich.–Well, so much for that.

– There was a point when it looked like the Pistons had finally stopped making shots and the Hawks would methodically put them away. Except it didn’t happen. “It got out of hand quickly,” Bibby said. “They hit like three or four threes in a row and it was just a rampage of threes that we couldn’t stop.”

– The Pistons scored 39 points in the fourth quarter. If that’s not incredible enough for you, how about: The Pistons scored 39 points in the fourth quarter and T-Mac and Villanueva had 28 of them.

– “You have to give Detroit credit tonight,” L.D. said. “They made shots. Defensively we didn’t same sense of urgency that we did in the third quarter when we held them to 15 points. We completely fell apart in that fourth quarter. We turned the basketball over, they were able to run out on us and we just couldn’t get the job done.”

– The Hawks were down 66-63 with 9:46 to play. Four minutes later they were down 81-66. Usually it’s the good teams that make the Hawks pay for each mistake at winning time but the Pistons managed to do it, too.

– The rundown . . . Detroit: Villanueva made a 3. . . Josh Powell missed a layup. . . . Stuckey made two free throws. . . Smoove missed a forced hook shot. . . . T-Mac made a 3. . . . Smoove made a 3. . . . Stuckey missed a 3. . . . Villanueva stole it from Smoove. . . . Villanueva dunked on the break. . . . Bibby threw it away. . . . T-Mac made a 3.

– Just like the Hawks were down 81-68. They couldn’t get any closer than 11 from there and sent up the white flag down 92-72 with three minutes left. “We turned the ball over a couple of times, took some ill-advised shots and as I’ve explained to the guys all it takes is two or three possessions of taking bad shots and the game can get out of hand,” L.D. said.

– “I looked up at the scoreboard and they were up like 74-66,” Bibby said. “The next time I looked up it was like 80 to 100.”

– In the fourth quarter Detroit made 14 of 25 shots, scored 12 fastbreak points and had 12 points off of turnovers. The Hawks had seven turnovers, leading to 12 Detroit points, so it hardly mattered that they shot 53 percent (8 of 15).

– The Pistons played with desperation while the Hawks seemed to figure they could just make a few plays and pull out a W. The difference probably had something to do with Atlanta generally rolling along without J.J. while Detroit blew that 25-point against the Raptors on Saturday.

– The Pistons may not be the Pistons anymore but people here still care, so that kind of effort gets them dogged out. They saved some face by beating a team with a winning record for the first time.

– “I think we’re a lot better than our record shows, but I desperately wanted to get a win especially after how we played in that Toronto game,” Villanueva said. “I think we did a good job and responded well. I’d say this is what Pistons basketball is all about.”

– They’ve called Villanueva a free agent bust and T-Mac washed up. The Hawks made them look like All-Stars, and not just because of those shots they made in the fourth quarter. Both guys had season-highs in rebounds as Detroit pounded Atlanta 43-31 on the boards.

– Detroit, hardly known for inside muscle, also outscored the Hawks 36-26 in the paint. That’s just the fourth time they’ve managed to do that.

– The Hawks dropped to 12-4 against teams with losing records. They hadn’t lost this kind of game since Nov. 23 at New Jersey, the day after the beatdown from Boston and the day before the famous team meeting.

– Bad night for Jamal. He took just six shots, making one, and had five turnovers to offset four assists. He said his back was bothering him and he’s not sure if he will play Thursday.

– Without the usual scoring punch from Jamal, the Hawks couldn’t find any offense outside of Smoove, Bibby and Al. They combined to make 21 of 42 shots, everyone else was 9 of 26.

– Al was the only guy doing much rebounding for the Hawks.

— Powell gives good effort. If only he were a couple inches taller he might actually collect more of those rebounds he gets his hands on, block some of those challenged shots and finish better at the rim.

– Another one of those games where you wonder if Marvin out there. He missed some shots and then seemed to disappear. It’s hard to know how much the knee is bothering him, though.

Rip Hamilton had his way with Bibby, Mo, and Wilkins in the first half. He didn’t even need to score in the fourth quarter with T-Mac and Villanueva draining 3s.

– “It got away from us and I don’t know how,” Josh said. “It really started with those three-point shots. T-Mac had an unbelievable game, probably his best game of the year. I think it broke our backs. We did a bad job on the rotations.”

Michael Cunningham

260 comments Add your comment

ignition

December 14th, 2010
11:50 pm

Marvin Williams ………….. I hate you.

Slimjr

December 14th, 2010
11:52 pm

Take a HIKE MARVIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jae Evolution

December 14th, 2010
11:55 pm

If Jamal doesn’t play on Thursday, I truthfully can’t see us winning that game.

NorcalHawk

December 14th, 2010
11:56 pm

Would like to think this was just a bad day at the office, but fear it’s more than that.

MsDee

December 15th, 2010
12:21 am

Jordan Crawford should have dressed to play tonight so Mo Evans could be in the street clothes..since it WAS a HOMECOMING for the young guy. He probably would have had an UNBELIEVABLE GAME tonight.

rusty

December 15th, 2010
12:31 am

Ld you have to get smarter

Slimjr

December 15th, 2010
12:39 am

LD worked for Mike Woodson Rusty.. Are you kidding me?? Another dear in headlights head coach!! Nothing changes with this dysfunctional 45+ year old franchise!

darrell starks

December 15th, 2010
12:42 am

COACHES WHO WOULD NEVER STARTE M.I.A MARVIN
1.DOC
2.PHIL
3.AVERY
4.LARRY
5.GEORGE
6.SLOAN
AND LIST IS LONG
after 6year how in the world is marvin still starting something is not adding up.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thetuth

December 15th, 2010
12:42 am

Hawks, owners, JD somebody, please come to your senses and get rid of that lazy, sorry Marvin Williams, he should have been ship out three years ago. the guy is not consistant, he get hot every 10 games than goes to sleep, please.

Slimjr

December 15th, 2010
12:43 am

Detroit is a really bad team!! What’s the Hawks excuse?

superiorblogman

December 15th, 2010
12:44 am

This was a bad coaching job simple and plain. Teague is supposed to be your change of pace guy. In a game in which that is what you needed he played few minutes. If you don’t trust the guy to do his job you need to replace him with someone you do trust. Larry Drew is responsible for this one and yes Teague should be traded.

Slimjr

December 15th, 2010
12:50 am

Marvin Williams should never start another game. His lousy game is infectious and the team falls behind far too often many times then has to play catch up for the rest of the game! The small forward is critical to winning in this league and this “bust” is not the answer for this sorry franchise!!

Slimjr

December 15th, 2010
12:59 am

Thank you BILLY KNIGHT for your three botched LOTTERY picks under your watch. You claimed to be the “so called basketball expert”! Rick Sund you haven’t impressed anyone around these parts also. ZAZA is “THE BIG STIFF”!

Reggie

December 15th, 2010
1:12 am

Ok if L.D is any kind of coach then this game should mark the end of Marvin Williams and Mo Evans…Jason Collins should start the rest of the season with Jordan Crawford getting both Marvin and Mo’s minutes off the bench period. And by the way Etan Thomas should be getting ZaZa’s.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 15th, 2010
1:34 am

There are a lot of things for which you can criticize LD, but playing Marvin is not one of them. The Hawks have two small forwards on the roster — Marvin and Damien Wilkins. This is Rick Sund’s fault, not LD’s. If LD doesn’t play Marvin, he either has to go big all game (which may not be as effective against a smaller team like Detroit) or he has to play Damien Wilkins over 30 minutes, which would sap him of a lot of his energy off the bench. I’d like to see Marvin off the floor as much as any of you, but LD doesn’t have a whole lot of other options at the small forward position.

northcyde

December 15th, 2010
2:24 am

Najeh beat me to it.

It’s not like we have a lot of options with this roster. Marvin has to play, and play decent minutes. We can bench him, but it’s not like Damien can step in and give us 30 quality minutes. Mainly because he’s not that good either, only defensively.

And the problem with playing Collins every game, is that he’s not a decent rebounder. He’s most effective when he can slow down a scoring center. But when that center isn’t a go to scorer, and you need him to rebound, that’s not his strength . . . nor is rebounding Powell’s strength.

We just don’t have quality talent outside of a few people, that we can expect to depend on night after night.

With Jamal being off, that got exposed big time tonight.

E43

December 15th, 2010
3:06 am

Jamal crawford needed to penetrate their D. He had 0 freethrows following an 11 attempt game. I also felt like today was the perfect day to dress Jordan and sit one of the C’s especially since jamal was assigned to pg duties over teague. I have no problem with d-wil going 30 minutes+ but I just think that there are guys that know more offensively that couldve contributed. I think that they should treat his case like he wasnt even signed untill he gets some chemistry with his teammates.

Hawks vs Pistons

December 15th, 2010
3:38 am

“COACHES WHO WOULD NEVER STARTE M.I.A MARVIN”

that’s an easy one without even making a list: Every coach except those in last place and they’re only using him because they’re trying to make him trade bait

Reggie

December 15th, 2010
5:02 am

Look…just because a guy is on your roster does not mean you have to play him. Ok did the Hawks not look better when twin started at center and Josh at small forward? As far as his lack of rebounding..Al averages 9+ and Josh 8+, you can’t tell me at this point Marvin is giving you anything. We all know at some point the Hawks have to face the facts thats Marvin is a bust and having him on the court missing open shot after open shot or getting his layups blocked over and over again is not helping the team. We got scorched by a bad team tonight but there may be a silver lining…that team(Detroit) is going no where but maybe Richard Hamilton or Tracey Mcgrady can be had. With Rip,Joe can play the 3 when he gets back.

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

December 15th, 2010
6:07 am

Is Marvin a member of the Atlanta Spirit Group??? I mean thats all I can think of……

terrell

December 15th, 2010
7:09 am

Still only a half game out in the division. Still 8-5 on the road. Calm down people. Obviously this game meant a helluva lot more to Detroit than it did for the Hawks. It happens. No need to go crazy. Most of you should be used to the Hawks up and down play by now.

darrell starks

December 15th, 2010
7:18 am

Najeh and Northside you can’t be serious about mmarvin, the guy give you absolutely nothing but a good game every 2 out of 10 team, that hurting the team so bad, plus your putting more pressure on JOSH, HORFORD, JOE, JAMAL, to performed every night, the hawks are 100percent better with horford playing 4 and josh at 3 and collins starting, no matter what line up your opponent bring out there small or big, AND LD SHOULD MAKE TEAM ADJUST 2 HIM NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

December 15th, 2010
7:28 am

I remember when the heat try 2 play small at beginning of the season and realized hey we have 2 have size in the middle and starte big z at center and now heat is on a tear, the hawks back court of MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD, is probably the smallest front court in the league and there for they continue 2 finish at bottom in rebounded every year, collins give the hawks that beef in the middle we have been screaming for years.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

dukester

December 15th, 2010
7:43 am

This is amazing. I remember saying last summer that Tracy Mcgrady would be a nice pick for a veteran that we could get for a million a year to fill that Pape Sy spot. But we went over seas paid a team to let us have a guy no one wants and he hasnt saw one minute on the court. Now Imagine Mcgrady and Jamal coming off of the bench. O well Mcgrady probably would be starting at SF because Marvin Williams is such a dog. But you know what I am no longer mad at Marving because one thing about it the hawks have kept him around. Thats the reason I will not get connected with this team they make dumb decisions from the top.

O'Brien

December 15th, 2010
7:44 am

Bad team loss last night. Bad playing, and bad coaching.

Another game where it is obvious we need a different backup center. ZaZa is soft, Al is not a banger, and Twin is very limited.

This was similar to the Spurs game, and the Miami game, where we hung around into the fourth, and all of a sudden, we end up losing by 10+.

Mentally, the Hawks are still where they need to be.

I would say we missed JJ last night. But Detroit still finds ways to beat us n Detroit, even when JJ plays.

We have more games coming up this month against teams with winning records (which are the teams we struggle with), so when we play a bottom feeder like Detroit, we needed this win.

“Another one of those games where you wonder if Marvin out there.” MC .

Marvin might still be hurting, BUT…even when he’s healthy, thats the norm for him. Look really good for 3 or 4 games, then disappear for 3 or 4 games. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

O'Brien

December 15th, 2010
7:46 am

*Mentally, the Hawks are still NOT where they need to be on a consistent basis.

dap01

December 15th, 2010
7:48 am

MC: What’s up with Pape Sy?

dukester

December 15th, 2010
8:07 am

I can’t believe ASG does not believe that half of this core is rotten!! I mean no none of us are “professional GM’s” but if you think half of this “core” has any heart your blind.
I believe our core is Joe,Josh, Al, Jamal, and we could use Bibby because we have no one else. This sad to be on the brink and cant get over the hump because of bad decision making.

Double Zero Eight

December 15th, 2010
8:07 am

The Hawks need a true center. Without a trade, they will exit the playoffs in the first round.
They can not beat Milwaukee, Orlando, Boston or Miami in a playoff series. They live and
die by the jump shot, and have no inside game on a consistent basis. Marvin Williams
just stands around and waits for something to happen, and is not a part of this supposedly
new “motion offense”.

terrell

December 15th, 2010
8:09 am

And Marvin is who he is. A BUNCH OF DEAD WEIGHT. He did get the summer league mvp though. lol! Too bad we’re stuck with him.

terrell

December 15th, 2010
8:18 am

Anyone ever noticed that when you see a photo of the Hawks(website, billboards, etc..) it’s usually Josh, Al, and Joe, sometines Bibby and Jamal, and NEVER Marvin? lol! Guess he’s not part of the core afterall. But wait, he’s here for 3 more years. WITH A FREAKIN PLAYER OPTION FOR ANOTHER YEAR. That’s insane! Sund, how in the hell did you let Woody, or whoever it was, talk you into that contract? Marvin must’ve had Beyonce as his agent.

terrell

December 15th, 2010
8:22 am

Ken Strickland my friend, I’d really like to hear you defend Marvin today if you can. Any words of encouragement? Not all his fault, but he gives this team nothing. I’m sorry.
Mo, Larry(Marvin), and Curly(Zaza) should be in street clothes on Thursday night. Seriously.

dukester

December 15th, 2010
8:33 am

@terrell Ole Ken will be on in a minute defending Marvin ASG and anybody else he can. LOL

tjhook

December 15th, 2010
8:37 am

Strategically, what has happened to the two-man game? I see the motion offense allowing one on one action but there is no offense construction because our post are trying to regularly shoot jumpers. Detroit is built similar to us except the holdovers (prince, Hamilton, Wallace) are more half-court players. And their guards as a group are shorter. But Drew clearly underestimated Detroit’s athleticism.

tjhook

December 15th, 2010
8:45 am

And yes Marvin’s attitude sucks. Saw a special on him last night and he’s not really passionate about his sport – he wanted to play football. Marvin generally is a decent guy, but is ignorant to the FACT that he was drafted to be a leader on the team. He honestly has not embraced that fact. Until someone individually challenges him (or trade him), he will never realizes that he determines his own fate. He currently believes that circumstances will determine his life – NO sense of urgency!!! I HATE his attitude!!!

JeJe

December 15th, 2010
8:50 am

MARVIN SUCKS.

HE HAS NO HEART OR DESIRE TO BE BETTER. HE’D RATHER WATCH SPONGEBOB THAN BE OUT THERE ON THE COURT.

WHY IS THIS GUY STILL A STARTER?

WORST STARTING SF IN THE NBA

JeJe

December 15th, 2010
8:50 am

AND YOU DON’T NEED PLAYS RUN FOR YOU TO BE EFFECTIVE. HORFORD HAS HARDLY ANYTHING RUN FOR HIM AND HE HAD LIKE 17 & 12 LAST NIGHT

ant banks

December 15th, 2010
9:01 am

i envy the heat, celtics, lakers, spurs…they have true alpha dogs that will not let mental lapses cause them the game. they may lose games, but it won’t be because guys zoned out.

we are not an elite team with these type of meltdowns

dgh

December 15th, 2010
9:13 am

count boston as another loss for the gutless wonders

slimjr

December 15th, 2010
9:14 am

On scale of 1-10 Marvin Williams is about an 2 for basketball IQ! He truly has no idea what he is doing out there!! And this guy got drafted #2 ahead of Darren Williams and Chris Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Billy Knight gets the the award for probably being the worst GM in this Dysfunctional franchises history! Now that’s incredible…… I’d wont spend a dime watching this “D” league team play…….

JeJe

December 15th, 2010
9:23 am

HEY SUND ARE U EVE GONNA MAKE ANY MOVES WITH THE CORE OR ARE U JUST GONNA RIDE ON BILLY KNIGHT’S COATTAILS?

U CANT EVEN RESIGN THE ONE PLAYER WORTH A DAMN U HAVE BROUGHT IN (JAMAL)

WE ARE 6TH IN THE EAST RIGHT NOW

EMBARRASSING

Westurd

December 15th, 2010
9:36 am

I HATE MARVIN……..watched him just last night do nothing. Not even moving around without the ball, no effort to rebound, no nothing. I think trading Marvin for a tree stump and a bag of dirt is an equal trade…..neither show effort, heart, or move at all. Dang it Marv, not only did you ruin my night, but now you got me all worked up and are ruining my morning as well.

It was not a bad pick

December 15th, 2010
10:01 am

The main problem with the hawks will always be coaching….I dont understand the constant barking at Marvin…Ok he was the 2nd pick, but he rarely gets plays called for him…he plays with some ball hogs..If we trade him,he would easily be a 20 ppg scorer.Also he plays good defense..evrone cant average 20 a game….i am a season ticket holder(3 years in a row) seen every game for 5 years..woodson was one of the worst coaches ever and Drew is not far behind…The hawks continue to not play a TRUE CENTER…..Twin should be starting..The hawks have the smallest front line in the NBA…And please someone tell me why dont hear any Joe Johnson bashing..this is the HIGEST paid player in the NBA..He never really shows up….Are you people wacthing the game?

J from the A

December 15th, 2010
10:07 am

w/JJ out and JC1 off, the Hawks really needed Marvin to step it up on both ends of the court. Of course, he didn’t.

J from the A

December 15th, 2010
10:09 am

Can we stop with the “Joe is the highest paid player in the NBA” BS. It simply is not true.

JeJe

December 15th, 2010
10:09 am

LOL @ Marvin averaging 20 ppg on another team.

LOL!

JeJe

December 15th, 2010
10:12 am

Let’s put Marvin on those Wizard teams with Arenas, Butler, and Jamison and replace him with either Butler or Jamison and tell me if he averages 20 ppg.

Bull!@#$

slimjr

December 15th, 2010
10:12 am

Dude, Chris Paul scores 20 a night so does Darren Williams. Marvin is A BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plain and simple from day 1……………….This franchise past on Barkley in 85 to draft John Contract a “true Center”. He average 1 point and 1 rebound per game.. This sorry franchise has been doing this time and time again over the decades. That’s why they win nothing!! Put down the pipe Son!

JeJe

December 15th, 2010
10:18 am

Exactly, JA.

JOE IS MAKING 16M THIS YEAR.

He is the 16th highest paid player in the NBA this year. JOE GOT THE BIGGEST CONTRACT OVER THE SUMMER.

Some of you people just throw numbers out there and have no idea what they mean. For those of you who think Thabeet makes 8M this year, do us all a favor, and go to this site and spend a few hours on it

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

O'Brien

December 15th, 2010
10:31 am

The problem with Marvin is not that he doesnt average 20 points a game. After all, he is the 5th and 6th option on offense.

My issue with Marvin is there are times when he is in a position to make a big play (like knock down an open 3 to stop the other team’s run), or to score a big bucket in a close game to give us the lead, or to get some key rebounds.

But more often than not, he misses the 3 (he is shooting 26% from behind the arc, Josh is shooting 46%) or he fumbles the ball out of bounds.

The only thing he usually does well is defend. But we need him to make timely plays, not to average 20 ppg.

I always go back to Bruce Bowen with the Spurs. He was a shut down defender, but he could always be counted on to knock down a big 3 from the corner (despite his 6 ppg career scoring average).

If Marvin averages 10 and 8, and can be counted on for 2 or 3 big plays most games, I would be ok with that.