Atlanta Hawks at Pistons: Handling biz against bad teams
Auburn Hills, Mich.–The Pistons are bad. Historically bad. Blowing-a-25-point-lead-to-the-Raptors-at-home-bad. So bad that Magic called them out when he was back in East Lansing the other day:
As for the current Pistons, Johnson said they were a long way from the teams he faced in consecutive NBA Finals in the late 1980s.
“Too many individuals,” Johnson said. “You have to get back to what made them great, and that’s defense and rebounding. … What we see now is a team that’s soft. People from Detroit and Michigan can accept losing, but not the way they’re losing.”
The Hawks should win this game and the temptation is to say it won’t tell us anything about them. But the thing the Hawks almost always do win this kind of game. Their troubles against the good teams have been well documented, and they have to start winning more games like Thursday in Boston to be considered legit contenders in the East. But until the Hawks figure that part out, there’s something to be said for handling their business against the league’s also-rans.
The Hawks have 12 Ws and just there Ls against teams that currently have losing records: Milwaukee, New Jersey and Phoenix. Of those teams, the Nets are the only squad with no real hope of turning things around.
So chances are the Hawks will handle Detroit tonight, then move on to the next one. That won’t earn accolades but neither should it be completely discounted.
Michael Cunningham
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bigdave
December 14th, 2010
7:32 pm
Lets get it…
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:34 pm
yeaaaaaa
lewis
December 14th, 2010
7:35 pm
ready for a w
pinoy hawk
December 14th, 2010
7:41 pm
is the game televised?
bigdave
December 14th, 2010
7:41 pm
what they just say about Joe..?
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:46 pm
sluggish start…
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
7:47 pm
MC, welcome back. That was a good move to get Ken Segura to keep the blog fresh while you were gone so that we didn’t start devouring each other (as badly) like we did over the summer.
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:47 pm
joe will be back new years to play thunder
lewis
December 14th, 2010
7:47 pm
mo evans is pretty much ruining the offense
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:47 pm
new years eve*
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
7:48 pm
pinoy hawk,
Check out channelsurfing.net. that’s how I typically watch the game while in Tampa.
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:48 pm
I mean come on old rip killing us
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
7:50 pm
Bring in Teague and Damien
lewis
December 14th, 2010
7:50 pm
i like stuckey already
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:50 pm
I swear josh always rim out those easy close shots when he spins around to shoot
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
7:51 pm
Al did not want to sit the second quarter on the bench with two fouls so he wiffed at the block opportunity.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
7:51 pm
still cant put ANY D on guards with ANY kind of speed.
Randolph
December 14th, 2010
7:52 pm
The Hawks need to get Al some shots on the offensive end. No one else has it going at all yet, and he has not even taken a single shot. Come on, Hawks.
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:53 pm
refs are calling every single foul when the pistons drive the ball…lets see if they do the same for us
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
7:53 pm
Its disgusting how easy quick guards can get to the rim on our D.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
7:54 pm
Bibby is automatic.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
7:54 pm
How do we get off to such a bad start?
WAKE UP GUYS
And take Evans out of there. Look, we all know he’s a great person and has a great attitude, but he really isn’t good.
Just start Damien damnit
ATL RAISED INDY LIVING
December 14th, 2010
7:54 pm
AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE HAWKS AND AS SORRY AS THE PISTONS ARE, I CANT HELP BUT BELIEVE THAT SOME HOW THEY WILL BLOW THIS GAME IN DETROIT TONIGHT…HOPEFULLY I’M WRONG…GO HAWKS !!!
pinoy hawk
December 14th, 2010
7:54 pm
@ rev – thanks man..
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
7:56 pm
great pass from bibby
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:57 pm
bibby strugglin with rip
bigdave
December 14th, 2010
7:58 pm
refs dont care for Josh.
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:58 pm
there u go josh drive the ball
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
7:59 pm
why does josh always smell his upper lip?
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
7:59 pm
We will win this game, but I’m so damn tired of being down 6-0 or 8-2 every game.
STOP WITH THESE SLOW LACKLUSTER STARTS
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
8:00 pm
HAS HORFORD EVEN GOTTEN THE BALL YET?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:00 pm
lmao@that shot
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:00 pm
lmaoooooooooooooooo ben wallace
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:01 pm
Wilkens is working on defense.
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
8:02 pm
LOL at Rev
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:06 pm
who is responsible for Rip Hamilton?
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:08 pm
too much jump shooting for my liking
bigdave
December 14th, 2010
8:08 pm
Damien look like Bruce Bowen out there..
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:10 pm
Right now we are at one of those crossroads the Hawks find themselves in from time to time. The whole team is shooting poorly while the Pistons are shooting well. Are the Hawks going to keep up their energy and confidence? This is where the Hawks will need to be MENTALLY tough.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:10 pm
We cant even guard T-Mac who is only 20% of his former self?
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:11 pm
wtf is crawford doing move the ball around
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
8:11 pm
What defensive intensity?
And Jamal has gotten stripped three times now.
No so hot a first quarter.
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:11 pm
Zaza’s upped his percentage of shots taken and blocked to 90%
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:12 pm
throw teague or jordan in there for some freaking speed we are SLOW right now
Carlos
December 14th, 2010
8:13 pm
Starts like this show you exactly why it’s 1st round and out for the Hawks this year.
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:13 pm
zaza is just to weak and slow
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:14 pm
bibby came out crawling
Randolph
December 14th, 2010
8:14 pm
Horrible first quarter for the Hawks. This is what happens when you treat Horford like he is the team janitor and let Josh Smith try to play hero basketball. Not to mention the fact that Bibby was guarding rip hamilton. Sometimes, L.D. really makes me wonder if he understands the meaning of matching up. Bad, bad moves on both ends of the floor.
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
8:15 pm
Yeah, put Jordan out there in his suit! LOL!
Sorry lewis, but he’s inactive tonight.
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:15 pm
no offense
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
8:17 pm
Doc,
Your boy Stuckey is looking good.
Hawks need to pick up their defensive intensity. Good defense from Damien.
We need more ball movement though
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:17 pm
Zaza did somethin useful
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:18 pm
lol@Zaza still smilin
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:19 pm
lmfao man i swear zaza is the worst player iv seen in my life
Wabe
December 14th, 2010
8:19 pm
Please………………….
Zaza be gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:20 pm
Zaza got himself a block and got a lil happy back at the other end.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:20 pm
LOL at the Pistons’ announcers. They said that people in Atl used to criticize the Hawks for picking Marvin over Chris Paul, but nobody is mad anymore.
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:20 pm
damn that is ludicrous that he is still inactive
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:21 pm
yea we all knew who was gonna win that tip
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:23 pm
zaza cant even hold the ball
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:23 pm
wheres collins zaza is terrible
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:24 pm
man…..its hard to watch this guy….really
he should’ve had the board before it got to that
Zaza = D-League
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
*yawns* jump shots
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
we would honestly be screwed without wilkins
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
Too much IsoJamal when he’s playing PG….
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
Crawford has been long on his shot all night.
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
wow t mac playin like hes young
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
8:25 pm
Hawks have no ball movement.
Pistons blew a 25 point lead against the Raptors. So maybe the Hawks are trying to see if they can come back…
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:26 pm
garbage
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:26 pm
two fouls on Marvin. Send him to the bench!
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
8:27 pm
GET THE BALL INSIDE JAMAL
HORFORD GET THE BALL
DO POST UPS
FORCE THE REFS TO BLOW THE WHISTLE
STOP SETTLING FOR DAMN JUMPSHOTS
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
8:27 pm
Melvin,
Co-sign on Jamal
Randolph
December 14th, 2010
8:28 pm
I agree with JeJe’s 8:27 post.
leedsatlanta
December 14th, 2010
8:29 pm
Larry Drew: “I thought our bench did a great job in the second quarter. I thought Jeff Teague was the catalyst of that. His speed and his energy when he got into the game got us going.”
2 days ago^
Is Drew fuc*ing Bi-polar?????
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:30 pm
mo evans and bibby cannot be in the game at the same time wth is ldrew doing
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:30 pm
lol that wasnt a foul
leedsatlanta
December 14th, 2010
8:30 pm
Teague tonight DNP??????
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
8:31 pm
get the ball inside. WE AREN’T PLAYING HORRENDOUSLY.
GET HORFORD THE DAMN BALL. ATTACK THE BASKET. WHO ARE THEIR INTERIOR DEFENDERS? 954 YEAR OLD WASHED UP BEN WALLACE?
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:31 pm
horford needs to grab that reb
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
8:32 pm
nice steal
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
8:33 pm
Hawks are having trouble hiding Bibby on defense. Pistons have quick and tall guards….
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:33 pm
man the refs are calling a lil too much on both teams
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
8:34 pm
Josh Smith has been very active tonight.
3rd qtr we will make our run.
ATTACK THE BASKET!!!!!!!!!!
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
8:34 pm
Anyone else feel like DET has a much better bench than us?
B.Gordon, Villanueva, Wilcox, T-Mac
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
8:36 pm
Is Will Bynum hurt? He always owns us…Maxiell?
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
8:36 pm
JeJe,
Detroit bench look good on paper but they are too individualize and don’t compliment each other on the court.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:36 pm
The Pistons announcers were happy that Josh hit the 3 so that he would be inticed to shoot more. They haven’t looked at Josh’s improved shooting pct this year. That being said, I hope Josh does practice some restraint.
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:36 pm
yeah josh and al have been great tonight as expected
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:37 pm
I would love to see Teague play before the half.
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
8:39 pm
Gotta take it in strong for the dunk Damien…
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:39 pm
still a beast play even tho he got blocked
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
8:40 pm
Rev,
you got your wish…
J.J.M.
December 14th, 2010
8:40 pm
*turns tv*
hbcuclassics
December 14th, 2010
8:40 pm
HBCU Classic Sports
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D2 – Rd. 1 Wingate 63 Morehouse 41
Shepherd 40 Shaw 6
D2- Rd. 2 Albany St. 30 Wingate 28
D2 – QF Delta St. 28 Albany St. 7
FCS – Rd. 1 Ga. Southern 41 SC State 16
FCS – Rd. 2 NHampshire 49 Bethune 29
Turkey Day Classic
Tuskegee 17 Alabama St. 10
Pioneer Bowl
St. Augustine 20 Ft. Valley St. 9
SWAC Championship
Tx Southern 11 Alabama St. 6
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JeJe
December 14th, 2010
8:41 pm
WHY DO WE ALWAYS HAVE 3 DAYS OFF THEN A LOADED SCHEDULE?
WAKE UP, GUYS. YOU’RE PLAYING TONIGHT. DOWN 9 TO THE FREAKING 7-18 PISTONS WHO GAVE UP A 25 POINT LEAD TO FREAKING TORONTO
WAKE THE HELL UP DAMNIT
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
8:41 pm
Woody redux: Only playing 8 players to this point…
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
8:42 pm
START DAMIEN IN THE 2ND HALF.
DO NOT PUT MO EVANS IN
WHERE THE HELL IS POWELL? THEY SAID HE WAS GOOD TO GO
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
8:42 pm
Jamal is ice cold… He need to drive the ball to the hoop….
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:42 pm
Melvin, now I’m wishing that LD will take Teague out. He is being abused by Rip Hamilton.
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
8:43 pm
I thought LD was supposed to develop Teague. I like Bibby, but we need Teague!
bigdave
December 14th, 2010
8:43 pm
again..
Miami game.. Spur game
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:43 pm
teague should not be on rip hamilton u cant realy blme him for that
bigdave
December 14th, 2010
8:43 pm
this one more so Miami..
trailing .. but dont get the feel you out of it..
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
8:43 pm
Rev – I think it’s good for Teague. Bad for the team though.
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
8:44 pm
Josh is 2-7 from the field. And Jamal is 1-5 with 2 assists.
That’s the bad with jamal. When he is off, he is bad in every way…
Wabe
December 14th, 2010
8:45 pm
Watching the Hawks night after night gets straight up frustrating…
They can play so well and earn the praise of everybody for fighting hard in games vs. San Antonio.
Then they follow it up by playing a pathetic 1st half against the lowly Pistons.
Damien
December 14th, 2010
8:48 pm
The offense in that first half was absolutely horrid. Too many guys who aren’t that great offensively were trying to do too much. Too many hero plays by Josh, too much 1 vs. 1 by Jamal. Too many shots for our role players, and not enough in the paint. We need to get some post-ups for Al going. Also, where the hell is the pick and pop or the pick and roll? I’m guessing that the main reason why we didn’t see many plays run was due to the fact that Bibby missed a lot of the first half with foul trouble. Even though Bibby is a liability on defense, he at least knows how to run plays and how to get the ball to Al to high percentage shots, as well as how to keep the ball away from Jamal or Josh when they are trying to be heroes. On the defensive end, L.D. really needs to stop putting smaller, slower guys on Rip. He can just shoot right over them, or blow by them. It’s just a bad idea. The team needs to get it together quick, because they are letting the Pistons make them look like a d-league team with all of the bonehead plays and lack of execution.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:48 pm
I am a poor shooter from outside the paint so I don’t know how difficult it is to adjust your shot. What I am seeing from Jamal is that he is consistently hitting the back of the rim.
lewis
December 14th, 2010
8:54 pm
its all in the legs jamal just isn’t loose at all
stretch the dude or something he’s not explosive tonight
Ronald D.
December 14th, 2010
8:55 pm
The Hawks are getting beaten significantly on the glass. The pistons hold a 19-12 advantage, and a lot of that has to do with the bad shot selection. So many times in that quarter, I saw Josh try some extremely low percentage post-ups with no one else even having a chance to get close enough to be in rebound position. Also, Jamal’s shot selection was pretty bad too, and Mo Evans and Zaza pachulia basically just need to stop shooting the ball, altogether, unless they have a wide open layup (in Zaza’s case, even is he has a wide open layup, he might get blocked by the rim). Maybe the Hawks should give Powell a few minutes, since Jordan Crawford is inactive, just for a change of pace. With Josh and Jamal out of the game, I think we may be able to run an actual structured play.
Chillin on paradise island.
December 14th, 2010
8:55 pm
sigh…….At least we got the Falcons. They are the last hope for an Atlanta sports championship. The hawks biggest mistake was the resigning of Joe johnson. Unfortunately its gonna haunt them for the next 6 six years.
Andy
December 14th, 2010
8:57 pm
We’re down by 12 at halftime to the pistons!? Are you kidding me? Talk about a Jeckyll and Hyde team. This is insane.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
8:57 pm
Hawks are on pace to score less than 80
YoDaddy
December 14th, 2010
8:57 pm
hawks looking like trash
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:04 pm
LOL @ Marvin.
*Post up, 2 dribbles, strip*
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:04 pm
Take Mo out right now…
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:06 pm
Marvin = 16 minutes = 1 point
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:06 pm
how is this team supposed to get off to good starts WHEN IT HAS 3 STIFFS STARTING RIGHT NOW
BIBBY, MO, AND MARVIN CAN WE GET SOME DAMN PRODUCTION FROM U PATHETIC EXCUSES FOR BASKETBALL PLAYERS?
MARVIN U ARE A PATHETIC JOKE
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:07 pm
JAMAL DAMIEN SMOOVE HORFORD AND POWELL SHOULD BE OUR LINEUP AT THE END OF THE GAME. WHERE THE HELL IS POWELL
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:07 pm
At least the Pistons are cold in their shooting.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:08 pm
nice run
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:08 pm
Here comes the Hawks….
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:08 pm
TOLD U ALL WE’D DOMINATE THIS QUARTER. WHY DOES IT ALWAYS COME TO THIS THOUGH? DOMINATE FROM THE START
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:08 pm
The Hawks are not playing appreciably better this half. The Pistons are just playing like the Pistons normally play.
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
9:09 pm
Great ball movement by the Hawks. Good finish by Josh, and then good 3 by Marvin next time down.
That is what was missing in the first half. Could it be that LD makes adjustments at half time? Something we didnt see much of from Woody…
Jae Evolution
December 14th, 2010
9:09 pm
This team is..crazy, man they play so terrible and can completely turn around all their mistakes in 2 minutes? WOW
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
9:10 pm
Rev,
Excellent point.
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
9:12 pm
Why cant these Hawks set screens?
It seems to me that they are called for an illegal screen every game.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:13 pm
WAKE UP DAMNIT
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:13 pm
Hawks made their run by attacking the paint now they are going back to jump shots…SMH…
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:15 pm
iS IT MANDATORY WE GET 2 MOVING SCREENS A GAME? JESUS
EVERY DAMN GAME
ITS A HORFOD MOVING SCREEN
HOW HARD IS IT TO NOT SET A MOVING SCREEN
WE’RE PLAYING 2 ON 5 RIGHT NOW. HORFORD AND JOSH ARE THE ONLY PLAYERS WORTH A DAMN IN THIS GAME
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:16 pm
THIS IS A DISGRACE
MARVIN U ARE PATHETIC GARBAGE
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:17 pm
STOP LEAVING RIP HAMILTON OPEN
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:20 pm
Everytime I started to give a complement to the Hawks, they did something stupid before I could finish typing the sentence so I had to keep erasing it.
Blast
December 14th, 2010
9:20 pm
What Hawks have to do to get the NBA refs respect?
Win the East?
Can we get a call versus the horrible Pistons, please?
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:21 pm
damnit Al U HAVE 4 SECONDS. DONT PASS IT TO DAMN BIBBY SO HE TAKES ANOTHER BS SHOT
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:22 pm
Jamal is struggling….
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
9:22 pm
Jamal is out cold…
pinoy hawk
December 14th, 2010
9:23 pm
box out!!!!
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:23 pm
Great d by Wilkins, but Jamal is off tonight. Mo is shooting better than Jamal tonight.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:24 pm
Bibby putting the team on his back.
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:24 pm
Damien is a madman on defense….
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:24 pm
JUST STEAL THIS GAME AND GET OUTTA MO-TOWN
GOD WE LOOK AWFUL
lewis
December 14th, 2010
9:25 pm
Wilkins has played worth a damn. he’s played legit, pest D.
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
9:26 pm
Jamal is useless if he’s not shooting well.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:26 pm
CMON DAMIEN SHOOT THAT
Hawks vs Pistons
December 14th, 2010
9:26 pm
Hawks Bench needs to do a better job, bench scoring is pretty much the difference in this game. Det. has more points off the bench than the Hawks do.
Need to do a better job of getting rebounds and get the bench involved during the 4th
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:27 pm
That D u just saw Damien play on Rip he could play on anyone in this league…Wade, Kobe, LeBron.
Keep this guy and let him start over Marvin damnit. Let Mo sit until he promises to actually contribute
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:27 pm
Jamal’s back is hurting.
!@#$
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:28 pm
If Jamal God Forbid goes down, we are screwed
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
9:29 pm
LOL Horford has played all but two minutes so far.. Gotta rest him some time.
Where’s Powell?
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:30 pm
That save Damien just made, u’d never see Marvin make that
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:30 pm
Damien keeps driving lane then kicking out. GO UP WITH IT DAMIEN
COME ON DETROIT IS GIVING US OPPORTUNITIES
bigdave
December 14th, 2010
9:30 pm
Marvin sucks…
big turnover. doesnt even attack the ball aggressively when getting entry pass.
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:31 pm
Put Teague in the game…
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
9:31 pm
What we need from Marvin is for him to consistently knock those shots down.
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
9:32 pm
Hawks are not getting any calls from these refs.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:32 pm
wtf is this team doing?
That’s 4 plays we’ve done NOTHING on offense
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:32 pm
Take Jamal out. He’s guy shy.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:32 pm
MARVIN IS GARBAGE. CAN’T EVEN SCORE AT 6″9 AGAINST THESE SMALLER PLAYERS.
POST UP = *DRIBBLE, STRIP*
LOL U ARE A JOKE
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:33 pm
Enter your comments here
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:34 pm
I meant Jamal is gun shy…
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:34 pm
Melvin, I assumed that Jamal is not homo, but thanks for confirming that for us.
pinoy hawk
December 14th, 2010
9:34 pm
where’s the motion? need bibby back to set offense..
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:34 pm
lettin the pistons work us…this is crazy
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:36 pm
Josh Smith with 4 boards…Pathetic
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:36 pm
lol@Josh
“That’s some Bullshhh”
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:37 pm
Back to double figure lead
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:38 pm
Why is every shot Detroit takes WIDE open?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:38 pm
4th Quarter…Wide Open shooters for our opponents……nothin new here.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:38 pm
This is a disgrace
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:38 pm
The Pistons are not encouraging Josh to take those 3’s anymore.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:38 pm
Jamal’s probably thinking about his contract situation the entire game
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:39 pm
Wow I waited 3 damn days for this garbage
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:39 pm
This is pathetic….not only are we losing to the Pistons…they’re tryin to run us out of the gym.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:39 pm
Horford is not getting the damn ball at all on offense
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:40 pm
Correction… The Pistons announcers are not encouraging Josh to take those 3’s anymore.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:40 pm
lmao@Jeje….thats just what i was thinkin.
…had to wait all these days since our last game for this performance.
Randiferous
December 14th, 2010
9:40 pm
Josh should be benched in this game. His shot selection has been awful and he is really hurting us. I’m talking about Josh Smith here, but actually, Powell looks pretty bad so far tonight too.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:41 pm
NEXT GAME
START
Teague
Jordan
Wilkins
Powell
Collins
send the unit a message to wake up
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:42 pm
Jamal played terrible tonight.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
9:43 pm
Hmmm… T-Mac couldn’t have POSSIBLY helped this team, could he?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:43 pm
lol getting poured on….at the hands of the Pistons…
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:43 pm
OB,
Where are all the TMac doubters at tonight?
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:43 pm
Bibby doesn’t facilitate garbage. Everything is just pounding it and trying to get a contested shot off behind a pick
YoDaddy
December 14th, 2010
9:44 pm
embarassing
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:45 pm
Hawks are too good for T-Mac, Shaq, etc….especially when we can put guys like Mo Evans, Pachulia and Marvin out there
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
9:45 pm
What a great headline for this blog too, considering the outcome of this game.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:45 pm
Marvin Williams with 4 points in 25 mintues LOL.
At least the Orlando announcers realize how much he sucks. Garbage
Jae Evolution
December 14th, 2010
9:46 pm
*Looks at blog title* *Lowers head*
PATHETIC!
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:46 pm
yeah this blog is a joke. I see we’re down 6-0 or whatever then i see the name of this blog. We lose to bad teams all the time
SMGDH
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
9:46 pm
6 turnovers in the fourth quarter for the Hawks. That is becoming a problem.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:46 pm
I DIDN’T KNOW T-MAC WAS STILL ON ORLANDO
THE ONE GAME OF THE YEAR HE BEASTS IS AGAINST US
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
9:47 pm
Was the Hawks looking ahead to the Celtics game????
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:47 pm
WHY IS NO ONE IN THE HUDDLE EVER ANGRY TONIGHT? EVERYONE LOOKS DAMN STOIC
WHERE THE HELL IS THE DEFENSE
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
9:47 pm
Pistons are on an 18-6 run, mostly thanks to T-Mac… who supposedly is so much worse than the great Marvin and Mo Evans that the Hawks couldn’t even consider bringing him in.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:47 pm
CAN WE PLEASE GET A REAL POINT GUARD ON THIS TEAM?
WE HAVE NO POINT GUARDS
LionHearted(FormerlySteel)
December 14th, 2010
9:48 pm
What a joke
YoDaddy
December 14th, 2010
9:48 pm
Joe Johnson we need you
Pistonsfan101
December 14th, 2010
9:48 pm
LETS GO PISTONS WOOOOOOO UPSET!!!
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
9:48 pm
Too many minutes for Josh and Al. You can see it in their legs.
And too many for Jamal, playing like he is.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:48 pm
PEOPLE ONLY TALK ABOUT JAMAL HAVING A ROUGH NIGHT
WHEN IS MARVIN EVER CALLED OUT BY THE ANNOUNCERS ETC FOR HIS PATHETIC 4 POINT EFFORTS?
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:49 pm
IT’S ALWAYS “JOSH HAD A BAD NIGHT” OR “JAMAL REALLY STRUGGLED WITH HIS SHOT.”
WHEN IS OUR #2 OVERALL STARTING SF EVER CALLED OUT FOR PLAYING LIKE !@#$
YoDaddy
December 14th, 2010
9:50 pm
TMac had a flashback
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
9:50 pm
lmao FIRE DOMINIQUE WILKINS
“This seems like that game against the Spurs where the Hawks played great up until that 4th quarter”
anybody else catch those good 3 quarters of bball tonight??
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
9:50 pm
hawks outscored 33-13 in the fourth. Wow.
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
9:50 pm
Rick Sund,
How you liking that core tonight?
Jae Evolution
December 14th, 2010
9:51 pm
Yep after seeing T-Mac hit that from deep the Hawks never even made a statement tonight, Never led, never had ANY heart. Sorry bunch of ballplayers tonight, I do give props to Damien he showed good determination.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:51 pm
GREAT NOW WE HAVE TO GO TO THE ROUGHEST ARENA IN THE LEAGUE TO PLAY BOSTON THEN RUSH BACK HOME THE NEXT DAY TO PLAY A CHARLOTTE TEAM THAT ALWAYS GIVES US TROUBLE
GOOD JOB SUND
GOOD JOB NBA SCHEDULERS
GOOD JOB MARVIN (OH WAIT U DONT CARE)
Jamal
December 14th, 2010
9:51 pm
I’m sick of watching this. The Hawks should do Al a favor and trade him to a real team. He shouldn’t have to put up with this garbage. If the team knew how to actually use their best player and his teammates could play under control, we wouldn’t have these monumental collapses. This is disgusting to watch and most of the time, it’s the same problems over and over.
lewis
December 14th, 2010
9:52 pm
depressing
ATL FAN
December 14th, 2010
9:52 pm
This is just embarassing… and its not because the pistons are on fire… the hawks gave up, its a disgrace
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
9:52 pm
Najeh – you are so right. We could have had Shaq, T-Mac, Dampier, all basically vet minimum guys. But we have to go with what we’ve got, which may not be a whole lot. Man, I get excited about this team, and then this!
And I compiment LD, then no Teague (basically). Is Teague really that bad?
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:52 pm
We pretty much had 2.5 players show up tonight
Smoove, horford, and 0.5 of Bibby
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
9:53 pm
Let me guess… after this game, there will be about 5,000 posts calling for everyone on this team to be traded, Ken Strickland will make a post about how all the other good teams have lost to bad teams so we should quit complaining, Samuel will show up and say that it’s all karma for firing Woody, and Rod will use the opportunity to remind us all how much Marvin sucks.
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
9:53 pm
LOL @ ‘Nique: “Al Horford has came and did his job tonight”
Geez
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
9:53 pm
HORFORD HAD 17 TONIGHT? DOESN’T FEEL LIKE IT
Sautee
December 14th, 2010
9:54 pm
Najeh,
How could you guess?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
9:54 pm
“THEN RUSH BACK HOME THE NEXT DAY TO PLAY A CHARLOTTE TEAM THAT ALWAYS GIVES US TROUBLE”
If Charlotte gives a team trouble, they are not good enough to get respect from the NBA schedulers.
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
9:54 pm
Bench had about 8 or 10 pts. last I checked…
Samuel
December 14th, 2010
9:55 pm
Teague padding his stats in garbage time. LOL!!
Rod from College Park
December 14th, 2010
9:55 pm
Yeah I remember that argument Najeh. Many of the regular posters said Marvin was better than T-Mac. If T-Mac played on our team, and got the open looks Marvin gets, he would average close to 20ppg.
Ken Strickland,
This is why we don’t give Marvin credit when he has a good game. We all know that he will revert back to Marvin and disappear.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
9:55 pm
Charlie V is one ugly dude
Randiferous
December 14th, 2010
9:56 pm
JeJe, I don’t know you can even say that Smoove showed up tonight. He may have racked up some points (on 8-17 shooting), but he made just as many mistakes, if not more mistakes, than he did positive things. He took a lot of bad shots, didn’t rotate properly, and rushed things too many times, trying to be a hero. I didn’t like what i saw from Josh tonight. Bibby was OK. He made some bad passes down the stretch, but he at least hit his open shots. I can’t really blame him for the foul trouble, since L.D. basically set him up for failure with the matchups. The only positive I see from this game was Horford’s performance. He was pretty solid on both ends and rebounded the ball very well.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
9:56 pm
The rest of the Hawks other than Bibby, Smoove, and Al had 23 points COMBINED. Not the bench; the rest of the entire team.
ATL FAN
December 14th, 2010
9:57 pm
lmao rev
Rod from College Park
December 14th, 2010
9:58 pm
JeJe,
“PEOPLE ONLY TALK ABOUT JAMAL HAVING A ROUGH NIGHT
WHEN IS MARVIN EVER CALLED OUT BY THE ANNOUNCERS ETC FOR HIS PATHETIC 4 POINT EFFORTS?”
It really is amazing isn’t it.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
9:58 pm
I mean seriously, considering how much the Hawks use a big lineup now, if the Hawks’ only two small forwards were Damien Wilkins (defense) and T-Mac (offense), I think they would be just fine. Let T-Mac play his 20 minutes or so to give an offensive spark when necessary, and let Damien play his 20 minutes or so to give a defensive spark when necessary. A team with as much talent and scoring at other positions as the Hawks have really only need solid role players at SF. And T-Mac showed more in this game than Marvin has shown in his entire career.
ATL FAN
December 14th, 2010
9:59 pm
Hate to break it to you, but we dont have a bench… Crawford doesnt count as bench because he plays more than some starters
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
10:00 pm
Rod,
OB and I suggested signing TMac this summer. I remember some was against it. Well, he did us in tonight…
Ray
December 14th, 2010
10:00 pm
What an embarrassment. We’ll probably be at the bottom of the power rankings now, but then again, who outside of Atlanta would really care? We get almost no respect as it is, and with games like this, it’s pretty tough to argue that we deserve any.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:01 pm
Did the Hawks have any fastbreak points. This aspect of their game seemed as invisible as Marvin.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
10:01 pm
“WHEN IS MARVIN EVER CALLED OUT BY THE ANNOUNCERS ETC FOR HIS PATHETIC 4 POINT EFFORTS?”
Well… when is anyone ever called out by the announcers when they give a pathetic effort? Have Bob and Nique ever made a negative comment about the Hawks?
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:02 pm
Sorry to say, part of this lost is on the head of LD. In the fourth quarter, LD let Powell stay in the game too long. Powell played for 7-8 straight minutes in the 4th, and he had a +/- of -12 at that point. CharlieV abused Powell. And when Josh would try to help out on defense, it would leave McGrady wide open. Believe it or not, LD waited too long to bring Marvin back in the game.
Also, the reason why the ball went to Josh more than Al late in the game was Al was gassed! Al played the entire 3rd quarter, and majority of the 4th quarter (until LD put the bench in with 3 minutes left). Josh was actually fouled on two of those plays, but didn’t get the call. So if only 2 players are having good nights, and one of them don’t have any more energy because his legs are gone. Who is left to go to besides Josh?? Josh still shot 46% from the field, and only had 2 turnovers.
Also, I love Wilkins attitude, but he has to start being more selfish. He’s over passing and not being aggressive. He should’ve had at least 15 points tonight, but he will bypass wide open attempts/lanes to pass it to someone covered for a harder attempt.
Jae Evolution
December 14th, 2010
10:02 pm
On another note has anyone seen the Magic Jerseys? They look really nice in my opinion.
lewis
December 14th, 2010
10:02 pm
to their credit, detroit does have a lot of guys that are supposed to be good and on the extremely rare occasion they all show up they are surprisingly hard to stop
stuckey would start at pg on the hawks
Rod from College Park
December 14th, 2010
10:03 pm
Melvin,
Yeah, I was one who said that we should sign him also, and many told me I was crazy.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:05 pm
Ramon, I agree with your analysis. Maybe Al should have got those two fouls he normally gets in the first quarter.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
10:05 pm
I will say this — every team does have games in every season that they lose to inferior teams. In an 82 game season, teams are not always going to have their A game against every opponent, and every now and then a good team will get beat by a bad team because the bad team brought their A game and the good team brought their C- game. It happens.
With that said, even when good teams bring their C- game and lose, they usually don’t lose to bottom five teams by 20 points. But as we have seen over the last few years, this is the kind of thing these Hawks do. Just when they start looking like they could be putting it all together, they lose a game like this to remind us how huge the gulf is between them and the legit contenders in this league.
Ray
December 14th, 2010
10:08 pm
lewis,
You’re right that stuckey would start at PG for the Hawks, but just about any PG from another team would start for the Hawks. Bibby and Teague are some of the worst PGs in the entire league. One of them is a glorified spot-up shooter and the other is a timid slasher with one of the worst jump shots in the league. Seriously, there probably isn’t even one other starting PG in the league who wouldn’t be an upgrade over what we have that position. Even Fisher in his late 30s is probably an upgrade.
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:08 pm
Randiferous, are you serious? Josh had bad attempts because he drove to the lane and didn’t get the call? Most of his misses were around the baskets AFTER drawing contact.You said he made more mistakes than positive plays. Yet he was the only Hawk going to the line, and he only had 2 turnovers (one that was really Mo Evans fault, after Mo drop the outlet pass). Josh was 2 for 9 around the basket in the lane. And on at least 4 of those misses he was fouls. For LD to come out on the court (LD is the hardest coach to upset from what I’ve seen), tells you Josh was being hacked all night. Also you said Josh didn’t rotate right on defense? Did you not see when Josh did rotate on defense, it left McGrady open for 3s, because the next man didn’t rotate to cover his man.
Rod from College Park
December 14th, 2010
10:08 pm
Ramon,
“Believe it or not, LD waited too long to bring Marvin back in the game.”
Dude, you need to really stop with this Marvin defensive stuff. Who’s man was Rip Hamilton, in the first half? Whose man was Matt Bonner and Jefferson in the San Antonio game.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
10:09 pm
If we keep up with all of this “ahh lets just turn the page, we’ll get ‘em next time, it’s just one bad game” attitude (as if we are just so good and dont have glaring weaknesses, just fluke loses) after each one of these horrible games……we’ll find ourselves scraping just to make the playoffs
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:09 pm
Rod from College Park,
Maybe the fact that we were calling you crazy was unrelated to signing T-Mac. I grew up in Palmetto and we thought everybody in College Park was gun-toting crazy.
No disrespect, just funnin’ with you
ATL FAN
December 14th, 2010
10:10 pm
Najeh,
This wasn’t the first time this happened tho
superiorblogman
December 14th, 2010
10:12 pm
Really bad coaching job nothing more or less, Jeff Teague was the one guy that might could have changed the tempo and he did not get a adequate chance
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
10:12 pm
Bad lost but it’s time to focus on the Celtics… It would have been too win tonight b/c the Magic may lose to the Nuggets tonight…
Melvin
December 14th, 2010
10:13 pm
Bad lost but it’s time to focus on the Celtics… It would have been nice to win b/c the Magic may lose to the Nuggets tonight…
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
10:14 pm
Drew = soft
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:14 pm
Also, there is no reason for Mo Evans to be getting this much time, and JC2 can’t even get in uniform to get in the game. The way Mo Evans is playing, I don’t want to see him in the game until after Joe comes back from his injury. In the last 6 games, Mo is averaging more fouls (1.8 a game) than he is points, rebounds, assists, or steals. And that is as a starter! For the season the man is shooting 32%! How are you shooting 32% from the field, and still get the chance to start? JC2 is shooting a higher percentage from beyond the arc, than Mo is shooting from the field. Mo better practice his Spanish, Greek, or Italian, because playing like this, he’s going to have to get a passport for his next contract.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
10:15 pm
I bet guys like Josh punk this man so much.
Bailey
December 14th, 2010
10:15 pm
I hate having to rely on the failures of other teams to keep us afloat in the standings, but I definitely hope that Denver beats Orlando tonight, so that we can still be in the thick of things in the southeast division.
Also, I have to point out one other thing. The Knicks actually have a better record than we do right now. I never would have guessed that that would have happened during this season. I know that the Knicks schedule has been somewhat of a cakewalk lately, but for the most part, the Hawks have had a fairly weak schedule, as well. We’ve had a lot of back-to-back games and lots of games in short periods of time, but most of the opponents have been below .500, so I can’t really say that our schedule is the reason why our record is somewhat disappointing so far.
FIRE COACH DREW
December 14th, 2010
10:16 pm
The time has come.
Antoine Dodson
December 14th, 2010
10:16 pm
HIDE YA KIDS, HIDE YA WIVES, AND HIDE YA HUSBANDS CUZ THEY LOSIN TO ERRBODY OUT HURR!
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:16 pm
Ramon, I agree again! I was glad when Mo got his fourth foul and got yanked.
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
10:17 pm
Rod,
Marvin did not spend much time on Rip. But Marvin or Damien did not give us anything tonight.
Stinger said the Hawks did not play with any force. And he was right. That goes back to Al not banging, not being physical. And ZaZa is soft as usual.
I think LD should have brought in Twin or etan for a force inside.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
10:17 pm
1) EVERY SHOT DETROIT TOOK WAS UNCONTESTED
2) WE FARTED AROUND THE FIRST 3 MINUTES OF THE 4TH WHEN DETROIT WAS MISSING SHOTS
3) MARVIN IS NOT HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
HE WILL START EVERY GAME HE PLAYS FOR THIS FRANCHISE. I’VE NEVER SEEN RATHBUN OR NIQUE CALL OUT MARVIN FOR HAVING 4 POINTS IN 25 MINUTES, BUT WHEN JAMAL OR JOSH STRUGGLE, THEY ARE IMMEDIATELY CALLED OUT
STOP STARTING MARVIN WILLIAMS. HE IS A PATHETIC JOKE.
EVERY SINGLE TIME HE GETS THE BALL, IT’S ONE DRIBBLE THEN STRIP
darrell starks
December 14th, 2010
10:19 pm
That it it’s over the marvin experience is a dun deal, it’s now official the worst small forward in the league starting.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:19 pm
Rod, in the first half, who’s man was Rip? According to LD, it was Bibby’s man, because LD’s game plan was for Bibby and Marvin to switch on pick and rolls between Rip and Stuckey. Rip scored most of his points from the free throw line, where Bibby and Teague put him after switches. Rather Marvin is a baller or not, the fact is the game was lost in the fourth quarter with Powell in the game. And the way Mo, Jamal, and Zaza were playing, who else could he bring back in the game besides Marvin? Marvin isn’t a stopper, but the line up was better with him in the game than it was with Powell. Powell had 2 personal fouls, to go with 2 turnovers, and only 2 rebounds while he was in the game. As bad as Marvin may be, he’s still better than Powell (and Mo, and Jamal when Jamal’s shot isn’t falling).
Mike Woodson
December 14th, 2010
10:20 pm
At least with my coaching philosphy, we were winning games. Remeber the game we killed the Lakers in last year? All me.
Carlos
December 14th, 2010
10:21 pm
I think it’s already been long established that Marvin is a joke. That might be why it seems like he isnt called out as much. We already know what’s coming. The joke is now on Sund for not moving him and LD for not benching him.
darrell starks
December 14th, 2010
10:21 pm
Tonight LD get a big fat f, rotation was horrible and rhythm was way of.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Carlos
December 14th, 2010
10:21 pm
Awful Game.
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
10:21 pm
I am so tired of hearing “No Energy” as an excuse.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
10:22 pm
Also, I think that LD needs to get a new gameplan. This is clearly not working, and we should revert back to the Mike Woodson philosophy, in my opinion that best suits this team.
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:22 pm
Rev, I almost get pissed when I look and see Mo in the game. And then he always walk to the bench making that ’someone farted’ face. I’m like “Man you Suck, Sit down!” There are 50 players at run and shoot right now who play better than Mo.
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
10:24 pm
Ramon,
Marvin had 6 points, 5 rebounds in 30 minutes. Powell had 4 points and 2 rebounds in 11 minutes. I dont think we can put it on Powell either.
Its not all on Marvin either. This was a team loss. Players didnt play well, and I dont think LD coached well.
And I am so tired of hearing “No Urgency” or “No Energy” as an excuse.
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:24 pm
And I’m also getting tired of these fake fans on AJC.com also. Does their AT&T broadband or Charter Cable Modem only work on nights when the Hawks lose? Who’s in charge of their internet service, Ted Turner? We’re already on page 6 tonight. If the Hawks won by 20, we’ll still be commenting on the first page.
darrell starks
December 14th, 2010
10:26 pm
Why is not collins starting, every time marvin starte the team plays sluggish at the beginning, and the hawks have no inside present inside the paint, LD must stop adjusting 2 other team line up if they play small so what stay big and let them adjust 2 you, stop worrying how they lineup and let collins starte every game.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
10:27 pm
why did powell not GET IN THE GAME EARLIER?
And why was Damien’s +/- so bad? It was like -27.
LD, OR JAMAL, OR ANYONE: IF YOU ARE READING THIS, DO NOT START MARVIN WILLIAMS EVER AGAIN FOR THIS FRANCHISE.
DAMIEN WANTS TO WIN SO MUCH MORE THAN THAT PATHETIC EXCUSE OF A PLAYER.
6 POINTS IN 28 MINUTES (OR WHATEVER IT WAS).
I’M SURE ANYONE ON THIS BOARD OVER 6″2 COULD’VE DROPPED MARVIN’S NUMBERS TONIGHT IN DETROIT
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
10:27 pm
WHERE IS MC? AFTER SAYING WE WERE PLAYING A BAD TEAM, CAN WE GET AN EXPLANATION?
jtshoopsblog
December 14th, 2010
10:28 pm
Sure as hell did not do that tonight. don’t know whether to be proud of Detroit or ashamed of Atlanta.
Bailey
December 14th, 2010
10:29 pm
O’Brien,
In terms of not being physical, I don’t think that was much of an issue tonight. It was the perimeter mismatches and lack of offensive execution that killed the team tonight. Our interior defense wasn’t bad overall. The help defense could have been better, but the Detroit bigs really didn’t hurt us in the paint. Al definitely did his part. Not that Ben Wallace is any kind of offensive force, but he was basically a nonfactor tonight, and Al won that matchup by a landslide, as well as any matchup that he had during the game. Josh didn’t get bullied in the post either.
As far as things go on the offensive end, I don’t think that Al posted up enough, but I’m not sure if that was really his fault. I saw him get low-post position on several locations and wait for the ball, but he almost never received a pass in those situations. The Hawks did go to Josh a lot down low, but to be honest, I really didn’t like those matchups for him. Josh converted on a couple, but posting up Josh against Monroe and Ben Wallace just isn’t that great of an idea, considering both men are bigger and stronger than him, and he doesn’t have a great low-post game to begin with. I’m really surprised that L.D. didn’t try to take advantage of Al against Villanueva and Monroe. Outside of Ben Wallace, the pistons really don’t have any elite post defenders and Al typically converts on a very high percentage of his post-up attempts. At any rate, I don’t think physicality was the issue tonight.
There were some bad matchups that really did us in tonight. Bibby, Jamal, and Teague on Hamilton were all bad matchups for us. Any of our point guards on Stuckey is also a bad matchup. Stuckey is just too quick for Bibby, and he’s too strong from someone like Teague or Jamal. T-mac is horrible matchup for Josh and for any of our guards, outside of maybe Mo Evans.
What I’m really saying is, I don’t think that Twin or Etan would have made a big difference on the defensive end tonight, although I wouldn’t have minded seeing Collins play alongside Al, rather than Powell in the early stages of the fourth quarter.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:29 pm
There was just too much going wrong for the Hawks. Jamal was just butt-awful with the basketball in his hands. He turned it over and couldn’t hit a shot all night. Marvin disappeared. The bench stood around and watched Jamal stink it up. Al played too long without breaks. Josh tried to do too much. Yet they still had a chance to win it, but they lost focus (MENTAL TOUGHNESS!) in the fourth.
You can nick-pick at Drew’s coaching – and he is not without fault tonight – but the players just did not come to play. They played too passive on offense and defense. They played with energy when Detroit GAVE them openings. The Hawks did not come in prepared to own the Pistons.
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
10:30 pm
If Marvin and Mo’ are still hurt, I wish we could just let them sit 2 weeks to heal, sign Jarvis Hayes, and let he, Wilkens, Jordan, and JT get some playing time. But since we brought Sy over, we are at the max 15 guys, so we’re kind of stuck.
But maybe Mo’ and Marvin stink, and it has nothing to do with their injuries….
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:31 pm
O’Brien, we can’t put it all on Powell, I didn’t. Remember, I said I put it on LD. If a player is having that big of a negative impact on the game, why leave him in so long in the fourth quarter? As I said, Marvin didn’t have a great game (or a good game). But Powell in the game was mismatch city, because he couldn’t guard CharlieV. And that left Smoove leaving McGrady to help Powell out. Powell couldn’t rebound because of his knee. Powell should have played 4-5 minutes in the 4th at the most.
LD has to learn how to win games in the 4th quarter. Rather its the substitutions he uses, or going away from the motion offense. LD is having a hard time beating ANY team in the last 8 minutes of the game. The longer that happens, the more you have to think the Hawks are winning more games off of superior talent than anything else. Talent win games in the first three quarters (blow outs). Coaching win games in the last 10 minutes of the 4th quarter. And the Hawks have lost to the Jazz, Heat, Spurs, Detroit, Phoenix, Orlando, and New Jersey in the last 10 minutes of a game. That’s coaching, not the talent.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
10:31 pm
This is one of the few games in which you can go down the box score and see NO category the Hawks won. Free throw attempts, turnovers, shot attempts, assists, rebounds… NOTHING.
Nice try, screen name stealer @ 10:22.
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
10:32 pm
Bench, 14 points total for the game! Vill’ and T-Mac got more than that each from the bench for the Pistons. Wow
darrell starks
December 14th, 2010
10:33 pm
Stay big no matter what the hawks are rank at the bottom of the league in rebounding, because they are the smallest in the league front court.
MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD, are the smallest front court in the league and every year rank at the bottom in rebounding.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
10:33 pm
I actually think Etan at PF might have helped in this game. ZaZa is gone….
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
10:34 pm
LD is beginning to remind me of Woody the way he is using JC2 and Teague.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
10:35 pm
I’m amazed that Zaza had no turnovers in this game. Usually he’s good for at least one moving screen.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
10:35 pm
Portland inquired about Jamal’s availability according to RealGM report
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
10:35 pm
We’re just not as good as some think, which is why our average preseason ranking among eastern teams by the experts was around 6th.
Just think, as garbage as the pistons are supposed to be, they still have things we dont like a starting PG that can drive to the hoop and score..plus more guys that can get you “big games” off the bench.
Section 303
December 14th, 2010
10:36 pm
What a bunch of f’ing a$$holes. I hate this team sometimes. Good luck against Boston, dipsh#ts.
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:36 pm
Rev, out of the ten Hawks losses, how many would you say were because of coaching? If the team often comes out without energy, or if the team doesn’t come ‘prepared’ to play teams, is that the players fault or coach’s fault?
darrell starks
December 14th, 2010
10:36 pm
FRONT COURT STARTER SHOULD BE JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS FROM HERE ON OUT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
10:37 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing a Al, Etan, Josh frontline sometime to see what they could do. Etan at least brings intensity like Wilkens does. I think he could help a little at PF, but in the motion O, he has no shot. He’s just small (6-8 really) brute force in the paint.
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:38 pm
Mac, that’s because Detroit was stupid enough to give Ben Gordon and CharlieV all that money just to be a lottery team.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
10:38 pm
MAC town, that’s what I was saying.
Villy, Gordon, and T-Mac all off the bench + Wilcox, Bynum, and Maxiell (where were these guys tonight?)
Those are some damn talented players.
We got Jamal who is probably hurt now, and Damien and Powell. That’s it
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:38 pm
Najeh,
Since you did not comment until the end of the game I’ll assume that you did not watch the game. They don’t give you a turnover for having the ball blocked. Zaza was as awful as he has ever been.
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:38 pm
Ben Gordon can go help the efforts in the Metrodome in Minnesota with all those bricks he’s been throwing up since signing his contract.
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
10:39 pm
Pistons – better at the PG, better at the 3 with Tayshaun, and better bigs off the bench with Wilcox and ‘Vill.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:40 pm
Ramon,
The Hawks are the same Hawks that came out unprepared to play last season. They simply did not compete every night on the road last season. Same players, different coach. So I put this on the players.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 14th, 2010
10:40 pm
“Since you did not comment until the end of the game I’ll assume that you did not watch the game. They don’t give you a turnover for having the ball blocked. Zaza was as awful as he has ever been.”
I watched most of the 2nd half. Yeah, I saw Zaza got his shot blocked twice, as usual.
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:40 pm
Now you guys see why I was pushing the JC1, Zaza and Marvin for Stuckey, Prince, and Wallace earlier?
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:42 pm
Rev, majority of their losses are at home not on the road. And many of them have been with them going into the 4th quarter leading or only down by 1-4 points. In the last 5 minutes of the game, has LD really proven to be that different from Woody?
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
10:43 pm
And now we face the Celtics in the Garden….Maybe we were just looking ahead.
Rondo versus Bibby – I can’t wait
Ray Allen vs. Mo’
Pierce vs. Marvin
Shaq on Al
Do we stand a chance in this game?
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
10:44 pm
SteveW, don’t forget about the bench versus ours.
Mike Woodson
December 14th, 2010
10:44 pm
Defend, rebound, and run…
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
10:44 pm
Yea…I bet that Maxiel could give us more production than Zaza. Atleast he’s tougher.
Zaza’s more concerned about winning “best dressed male ATL celebrity” contests than playing some hoops.
GOD forbid he hang unto a rebound if it messes up his hair.
SteveW
December 14th, 2010
10:45 pm
I put it on LD and his rotations….gotta get Teague in the game sometimes. Gotta motivate ZaZa somehow.
Section 303
December 14th, 2010
10:47 pm
Steve W, we have no chance. There is really no reason to watch on Thursday. It will be brutal.
gcs
December 14th, 2010
10:51 pm
The only way to save this season is to fire that loser never-should-have-been-hired-in-the-first-place head coach.
.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 14th, 2010
10:52 pm
I cant believe I forget to change my channel from off of Sportsouth after The Hawks games sometimes…..and they KEEP showing repeats of this “At Home with Marvin Williams” crap with James Verrett in a young shirt playing pool with Marvin.
If only Marvin was so “cool and collect” on the bball court as he is doing low budget documentaries
Section 303
December 14th, 2010
10:53 pm
Wonder if Jamal will read the blog tonight?
Jamal, if you do, nice game tonight. You still wonder why the Hawks would not give you an extension?
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
10:53 pm
Did Prince and Rip even play in the 4th quarter?
ZaZa was horrendous. 2 plays he got blocked then went for the jump ball and got called for fouls I think
DO NOT LET MARVIN WILLIAMS START ANOTHER GAME FOR THIS FRANCHISE.
START DAMIEN ON THURSDAY AND LET HIM ANNOY THE HELL OUT OF PAUL PIERCE
I hope to God we don’t get a damn injury report on Jamal tomorrow
Bailey
December 14th, 2010
10:55 pm
SteveW,
I’m a bit worried about that game in the Garden on Thursday too, but I don’t think the matchups will be exactly what you are predicting. Here’s how I’m guessing the Hawks will match up:
Bibby vs. Ray Allen (advantage: Boston)
Mo Evans vs. Rondo (advantage: Boston)
Smoove vs. Pierce (advantage: none – both players have an advantage over the other on the offensive end)
Al vs. KG (advantage: Atlanta)
Collins vs. Shaq (advantage: Boston)
In terms of the bench, I don’t feel good about us on the perimeter at all. Nate Robinson is a nightmare matchup for any of our perimeter players. On the interior, I don’t expect the boston bench bigs to be too much trouble, but Fat Davis probably has an advantage over Powell, and Zaza definitely doesn’t have an advantage over anyone. It worries me when we have tough games on national television, because not only is it an opportunity for the media to mock the team more than they already do, but it’s also an easy means of pointing out the team’s glaring flaws, which are most apparent against dominant teams. It’s basically a lose-lose situation for the Hawks, as far as the media goes. If the Hawks win, analysts will just say that it was a fluke and the other team didn’t bring their game that night. If the Hawks lose, they’ll just be ignored or mocked as usual, with no surprise.
At any rate, the boston game will probably be the toughest of the season so far. They are, by far, the best team we will have faced. San Antonio has a better record, but I think the Celtics have better pieces and more ways to hurt us than the Spurs do.
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
10:56 pm
CAN WE PLEASE GET A REAL POINT GUARD AND SOME TOUGHNESS ON THIS TEAM?
ANDRE MILLER AND PRYZBILLA WOULD LOOK DAMN GOOD IN ATL RIGHT NOW.
CAN WE TRY TRADE MARVIN AGAIN FOR MONTA ELLIS OR SHAQ?
OH WAIT, SUND WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THAT BECAUSE HE WOULD RATHER HAVE THIS SAME DAMN CORE INSTEAD OF A CORE OF KOBE LBJ WADE AND DWIGHT. YES, THIS IS TRUE. SUND WOULD PROBABLY DECLINE A TRADE OF MO EVANS FOR KOBE BRYANT BECAUSE IT’D BE “BREAKING UP THE CORE”
O'Brien
December 14th, 2010
10:56 pm
Hawks went 4-0 against the Celtics last year. They played Miami tough in Miami for 3 and a half quarters.
They played Orlando tough twice in Orlando. So yes. The Hawks do have a chance in Boston
JeJe
December 14th, 2010
10:58 pm
WE BETTER F’ING START COLLINS VS SHAQ (IF SHAQ PLAYS).
I FEEL like Boston’s roster could have 5 players out with injury and we’d still lose – they are that deep. Do NOT START MARVIN WILLIAMS EVER AGAIN.
Bibby Damien Smoove Horford and Collins should be your starting lineup
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:59 pm
Ramon,
You are changing the question. Originally you asked if the team comes out unprepared to play, then who’s fault is it. I responded that it was the players fault. Regardless if it is on the road or at home, the Hawks do not come out prepared to play every game. Drew made this one of his top priorities when he took over, but tonight is evidence that this team still has to grow-up mentally. So I continue to contend that the responsibility is on the players.
As to the Hawks fourth quarter play, I am not real enthusiastic about Drew’s coaching down the stretch. He seems a little ‘deer in the headlights’. I think he will grow out of that with a little more experience. You asked if LD has really proven to be that different from Woody in the final minutes. I would say that LD is very different than Woody because he is not unimaginatively stubborn.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
10:59 pm
charlie villanueva,
You are ugly, dude
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
11:06 pm
Rev, I can respect that. I think the Hawks were prepared to play tonight though, they were just mismatched with Bibby in the backcourt. If Bibby was on Stuckey, then Stuckey attacked. If Bibby was on Rip, then Rip attacked. Only so much you can do when Bibby is on defense against an athletic back court.
Bailey
December 14th, 2010
11:17 pm
I forgot to mention something as far as the Celtics game goes on thursday. The Celtics play the Knicks on the road on Wednesday night, and Shaq is looking to play in that game. If he plays against the Knicks, it’s likely that he won’t play against the Hawks on Thursday, since the team is trying to rest him on the second night of back-to-backs, similar to what Coach Pop has done with Duncan in the past. This is not to say that Shaq won’t play against the Hawks, since he may miss the Knicks game and play on thursday instead, but if Shaq sits out, it changes the matchups and our lineups significantly, as well as changes the gameplan. With Shaq out, we could abuse the Celtics front line.
Rev in Tampa
December 14th, 2010
11:18 pm
Ramon,
I saw that too. Rip was having his way. However, I think this loss goes deeper than a mismatch issue. The Hawks could have imposed their will on Detroit, but did not. Maybe it was coaching tonight that started the rock over the cliff, but the players added to its downward momentum.
rusty
December 14th, 2010
11:21 pm
Have to give blame to ld. He needs to start giving time to jt. It seems that we never had a fast break in the whole game.mb plays in slo motion ,plays no defense & doesn’t break down defenses. How can you score when you have mo,me & Wilkins in the game at the same time.why is jc2 in street clothes. I already know that he is better now than mo will ever be. He would be the one to supply the energy with teague , why didn’t Collins or Etan play. Lt is just as stubborn & stupid as woody sass is horrible,mw should not be a starter,mo should be gone.the future of this team should be jc2 & jt but they probably will never be given a fair chance. How many damm dumb excuses can he give for not playing jc2
Worldwide Clyde
December 14th, 2010
11:25 pm
I GET BACK FROM RIO THIS MORNING AND THE HAWKS GET THEY AZZ WHIPPED BY THE PISTONS.
Coach needs to pull the plug on Marvin Williams. I would rather bring Tyron Corbin out of retirement than have him. We need to start Jamal and give Jordan Crawford some minutes. The guy has proven he can score but I haven’t seen him lately.
Ramon
December 14th, 2010
11:27 pm
Here’s a question, would Gearon really not make big roster moves, in hopes of making a big run at Doc Rivers this off season? Clearly he knows adding Rivers to the coaching staff, would drive attendance up to numbers that rival the 80s. Maybe there’s a method to the madness. I must say though, I’d be willing to pay Rivers a $8 mil salary, and fire Sund to allow Rivers to be over personnel also.
Worldwide Clyde
December 14th, 2010
11:32 pm
WE NEED TO DO BE LIKE THE ORLANDO ANNOUNCERS AND START CALLING MARVIN THE INVISIBLE MAN.
Slimjr
December 14th, 2010
11:41 pm
DO NOT LET MARVIN WILLIAMS START ANOTHER GAME FOR THIS FRANCHISE. Marvin Williams is the worst #2 Lottery Pick in the NBA today!!!! He is the “Tin Man”. He has to go like The “Genius” Billy Knight who drafted his sorry clueless butt back in 05 over Darren Williams and Chris Paul.. You notice Larry Drew has stopped playing him in the last 4 minutes of games now. He knows whats up!
Slimjr
December 14th, 2010
11:46 pm
The Hawks peaked last year at 53 wins. Its a wrap! They will not win 50 games this year. Their bigs give them nothing in the 4th quarter of games on every night. Hawks rely way to much on their guards hitting jump shots all night. Which means they will get blown out come play off time and this time they wont have 1st round home court advantage….
Ramon
December 15th, 2010
12:12 am
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5920357
Slimjr
December 15th, 2010
12:34 am
Hawks need a shot maker at the “3″. The small forward is a critical position in the NBA today. He has to be a scorer who can shoot or drive to the rim, make free throws in crunch time! The elite teams have that. We have MARVIN THE “TIN MAN” WILLIAMS. THANK YOU BILLY KNIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Double Zero Eight
December 15th, 2010
7:36 am
Reality has reared its ugly head. Marvin Williams is inconsistent to put it mildly. He will not get any better. The Hawks need a big man at center. They should have gotten “Shaq” when they had the chance. Without a big man that can score inside, they don’t have a chance in the playoffs. There is
no way this team can beat Milwaukee, Orlando, Miami or Boston in a playoff series. That’s the
ugly truth. When you live by the jump shot, you die by the jump shot.
JeJe
December 15th, 2010
8:51 am
I FEEL LIKE THERE’S NO URGENCY FROM HAWKS FANS.
WE LOSE A GAME LIKE THIS, AND WE GET THE USUAL “WELL EVERY GOOD TEAM HAS ONE OF THOSE GAMES WHERE THEY PLAY POORLY (WE’VE ALREADY HAD THAT ONE VS. MIL TOO). IF WE LOSE TO A GOOD TEAM, IT’S A MORAL VICTORY
SMGDH
MAKE ME THE GM AND OWNER OF THIS TEAM. I WILL GET THESE GUYS @$$ES IN GEAR NO HOMO
JeJe
December 15th, 2010
8:54 am
IF JAMAL DOESN’T PLAY TOMORROW WE COULD LOSE BY 75 (WITHOUT BOSTON’S STARTERS PLAYING BIG MINUTES AND WITHOUT PERKINS, DELONTE, AND THE O’NEALS PLAYING).
I’M STILL WAITING FOR THE ASG, SUND, AND LD TO HOLD MARVIN ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS INEPTITUDE ON THE BASKETBALL COURT. JAMAL HAS 3 STRAIGHT 20 PT GAMES AND EVERYONE’S UP IN HIS GRILL.
MARVIN HAS 5 PT GAMES 80 % OF THE TIME AND HE GETS A FREE RIDE
GAWD DAMNIT
slimjr
December 15th, 2010
9:27 am
Milwaukee and Detroit punked our sorry ‘D” League HAWKS!!! ITS a wrap. Marivn,ZaZa, and Josh should be on the trading blocks. This team is going backwards………………………………………….