Hawks 97, Pacers 83

Great game Teague. Second leading rebounder. And half as many rebounds as Horford in half as many minutes. Keep bringing the energy. The starting pg spot is yours if you want it.

Right now it looks like Bibby is making a statement with his 3pt % but playing pg is more than dead-eye shooting.

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“Drew also said he could see Collins starting some when Joe Johnson comes back. Interesting possibility.”

This would mean Marvin to the bench, which I don’t think has happened since his rookie year. In fact, I am struggling to remember the last time Marvin ever came off the bench. Marvin was a bench player throughout his only year in college, and he was pretty effective in that role. I wonder if he would be more effective as a bench player in the NBA too.

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I wonder if Jordan will play in Detroit Tuesday.

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I know it is just me being picky,but darn,we are playing a lot of back to backs compared to the so called elite.I guess it all evens out,but somebody in scheduling has it in for The Hawks.Good win tonite and someday I hope we get treated like Pop and his boyzs of flop got treated friday.Keep it going CLD because I believe you do have a plan.

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What does OJ Mayo do that Jamal Crawford can’t?

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Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2010
3:10 am

What does OJ Mayo do that Jamal Crawford can’t?

What? Shows how shallow you can be. Why compare OJ only to Jamal. OJ does what Teague can’t do, which is give you something on a nightly basis off the bench and take Bibby’s job and the Hawks would pay him less than what they would even have to pay Jamal most likely. I think Jamal would want more than $5 million next year. I can remember when he came out of college the Heat almost drafted him to play alongside Wade. I bet they would not mind having him now as there starting PG. It is not like Bibby is doing anything other than make a couple open shots considering Al and Josh initiate the offense just as much as Bibby from the high post area these days. Seriously, this is why the Hawks will forever be mediocre and you guys will be okay with it because you have mediocre minds. OJ would be a upgrade of Teague and would come cheaper than Jamal would for next year and be under contract next year. You dudes are pretty simple

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Geemack

December 12th, 2010
6:47 am

superiorblogman

OJ would be an upgrade over Teague, but it doesn’t address the needs of the team. Defensive rebounding, guard penetrations, & interior defense and toughness.

Portlnad is getting ready to go young, and are looking to move Pryzbilla and Miller. Acquiring those to guys would greatly improve the areas where the Hawks are weak. I also think those to guys would make us contenders this year.

Dude please Pryzbilla is an injury waiting to happen and probably will not make it through the season and Miller is as old and slow as Bibby and I don’t see any great penetrating skills in him either. Bottom line Teague is a combo guard just like Mayo and Mayo is better. I would rather have Mayo over Teague the Bust. We have 2 bust on this team Teague and Marvin as soon as we got rid of Acie went and got a guy just as sorry. You guys don’t know basketball. Teague is obviously not addressing the issues either. We have 2 PF’s in the starting lineup why start trying to define positions now? JJ played PG when he first came her why can’t OJ do it? You people are so stupid and blind that you are starting to sound like Sund and the ASG. Good luck with getting out of 1st round this year

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Najeh, are you retarded ? Marvin has been a bench player only for the Hawks up until this year. Who have you been watching ?

Josh Smith should do what Drew tells him to do. Hawks might have won by 30 if he plays like a teammate instead of a superstar.

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Ken, you hijacked Michael’s blog like a troll. What’s up with these AJC blogmeisters subbing out blogging ???

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Seems like so many teams are on massive winning streaks right now. The reason is that the NBA just is not that good this year. I look at the Heat scheduling, literally begging that they will lose games, but there just aren’t many games I see them losing

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Damien has changed the personality of the team, namely the bench.

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Here’s one for you Ken Strickland:
A guy signed off the street is already taking Marvin’s minutes at crunch time. lol! I am soooooo over Marvin. The guy just doesnt have it. There’s really nothing anyone can say or do to change that. You either have it, or you dont. He’s a decent role player every now and then, I’ll give you that. But like Bibby said the other day. “He’s tall, and he makes his free throws.” lol! That’s basically it. MOST of the time.

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This is our 2nd overall draft pick

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/marvin_williams/game_by_game_stats.html

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Move Marvin to the bench he’ll either get angry and want to prove himself, or he’ll be a solid bench player, its a win win.

With Joe gone, its easier to see what is wrong with the team as constructed.

I’m okay with where we’re at regarding the center position with Al’s skill and athleticism, along with the scoring of J Powell, the fouls of Zaza and the defense JCollins. Yes, it would be nice to have a big who could defend, score and draw charges but, as they say, it is what it is.

Bibby is doing what he can but it really is not going to be enough. The point guard position just does not work, made especially worse by playing along side Jamal at the end of games, which makes us about as strong as Phoenix on D.

Bibby/Jamal/Josh/Al/Collins is okay.

Jamal/Joe/Josh/Al/Collins is a bit better but Jamal and JJ never seem to play that well together, and Josh and Al never seem to get the ball.

Against teams with quick pg’s, we fail. Teague has looked much better the last few times he’s played. I think he’s proven on multiple occasions his speed, ability to drive and dish, rebound, and play solid man-man D. But he’s raw as hell, can’t hit a jump shot and never gets any time with the starters.

Bibby did okay for awhile against San-Antonio, but his blown coverages cost us the game when he got tired in the end. He’s not a bad player but he doesn’t set up people with speed and quickness, he doesn’t break down defenses, he doesn’t play defense, etc. Teague isn’t great by any means, but he gets our offensively challenged bigs easy shots near the basket at least. It makes me wonder how many more easy baskets Josh Joe and Al would get with a legitimate PG in his prime. How much easier it would be on everyone to defend.

Hopes and dreams…

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“Against teams with quick pg’s, we fail”

EXACTLY. TJ Ford should’ve gotten like 35+ minutes last night. He is craft, quick, and always owns us.

The problem is that virtually every team worth a damn, or in general, has a quick PG.

We are stuck with overweight Bibby. Seriously, why is the guy so damn big? Why has he not lost weight? It’s not like his size helps him with any facet of the game

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Have to give props to Jeff Teague. I rip him on here all the time. He played well last night and sparked the Hawks out of their early funk. Good for him….now, can he continue playing like that?

I think Josh Powell being out will really hurt the Hawks. That guy can do a lot of things. I still can’t believe how good of a shooter he is. I guess Eton Thomas is going to have to eat up some of Powell’s minutes?

Love the idea of Collins starting and Marvin coming off the bench. Collins is a good player.

The Hawks are 5 and 2 without the great Joe “I could care less” Johnson. Do we really need to debate about how important he is? Because, he isn’t that important. $24-million for a walking, breathing piece of trash.

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And mayo isn’t one. And for all of your complaints teague is nice and has the tools. He defends, is quick, can penetrate. His only flaw is like he is passive. Like the celtics rondo first year. His teammates and coach need to say drive, it’s your car.It’s a respect thing and they need to give the blessing out.There’s no reason our sg and pf should lead us in assists!

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I didn’t understand why LD stuck with Bibby for so long last night in the 4th. Bibby was getting blown by on almost every possession and was giving nothing on offense. LD is a lot like Woody in that they will stick with the vet even if the vet is doing nothing. He should have pulled Bibby and went back to Teague. I have been one of Teague’s biggest critics this season but he was playing well last night………If LD is not going to give JC2 minutes then Damien Wilkens should be getting all of Mo’s minutes. Mo gives you nothing offensively and cant guard sf’s and looks like he cant sg’s either. Just put the dude in a suit.

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It’s like the Hawks swooped in, snatched up the Pacers, tore the meat off their bones and left them to rot.

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Rev,

LD has benched Josh for almost an entire fourth quarter for taking consecutive bad shots AFTER LD had just talked to him about taking those kind of shots. So he does get on Josh.

As for Marvin going to the bench, I think thats where he should play. That gives him a chance to be the second or third option, instead of being 5th or 6th when he starts.

Ken S,

Marvin has played better the last 2 games. but that was after playing 4 bad games. Which was after playing 4 good games.

Hence the problem with Marvin. He is very up and down. As soon as he has 4 good games in a row, he will disappear with 4 bad games in a row.

We still need more consistency from him. When JJ comes back, I think both Marvin and Mo will se decreased minutes. JJ will get minutes at SF, and Damien will get minutes at SF.

And for whoever wants to trade for OJ Mayo, the guy is a combo guard. What we need is a solid legit PG.

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To all the Raymond Felton haters and the Jeff Teague lovers. Raymond had 17 assists and 19 points against Denver today.

I said it before and saying it again. We need CAPTAIN Kirk Hinrich.

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Superiorblogman, Geemack, Terrell, & everyone else, JJ IS NOT THE PROBLEM! The problem is at piont and center positions. No one is going to give you a top flight point or center without an extremely high cost.Sund has made it clear he is not willing part with what he deems a core player. Steve Nash is available at what maybe a reason price( not Josh). Phoenix is rebuilding and broke. They want to go younger and cheaper. Marvin(age 24 at 7.5 mil per year), ZaZa(age 24 at 4 mil per year), Teague(1.2 mil per year) , and next year’s #1 pick for Nash(age 35 at 10.5 mil per year) and Josh Childress(30 mil over five years). Unfortunately, no one is taking Bibby’s contract until next year and with two 2nd round picks next year maybe theycan get lucky also maybe they can throw in MO with his expiring deal. In addition, the trade exception allows the Hawks to take on Childress’ contract for now. With Childress and Mo, a trade for Pryzbilla (age 31 at 7.3 per year) is doable. Again, Portland like Phoenix is trying to get younger. Pryzbilla days are numbered and the Hawks should be bold and not allow another Eastern division team to acquire his services. These trades address both the Hawks main issues to attempt a realistic chance to contend. Fast forward, the Hawks can attempt to move Bibby at the trade deadline because injuries play a big part of every season and maybe by then his services will become valuable. Hopefully, dropping his 6 millions per year(2) will open the door to a possible resigning of JC1 to a new deal 3 year/18-21 mil.
Go Hawks!

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Bibby does this intense bobbling up and down the court as though he’s going to move fast and blow by someone but can’t and doesn’t. We need a young athletic PG who can keep up with Joe, Josh and Al.

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Hawks get:
Steve Nash
J. Moon
G. Lawal
R. Hollins

Phoenix gets:
A. Jamison
J. Teague

Cleveland gets:
Marvin Williams
Mo Evans
Zaza Pachulia
Earl Clark

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LOL @ people thinking we’ll get Nash (who is 37) by giving up 3 !@#$%y players

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superiorblogman (sic),

You said this:” I would rather have Mayo over Teague the Bust.”

LOL, like that is comparing apples and apples. Teague was picked 19th and the 7th PG picked. Mayo was THIRD OVERALL.

Have you asked yourself just WHY Memphis would want to get rid of the former third overall pick? That in itself would make me very wary.

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Melo is really pushing to be a Knick, and if that happens the Hawks might just slide down another slot to maybe 6, 7 or maybe an 8 seed in the East!

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And as far as when a player, that is just a bad evaluation by the team. Marvin and darko were number two selections and busts. Josh, jamer nelson, arenas, tony parker, manu are late round gems. We have one in jordan. Lets see what we do with it.

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LOL @ drmaryb…Grow up.

6th option has nothing to do with whether a player starts or not. Marvin is the SIXTH best scoring option on the team. Overall, he is the 6th best scorer on the team (probably 7th).

idiot

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Yeah well unfortunately Phoenix is not taking scrubs like Marvin Williams and ZaZa for Nash – sorry guys.

That team already has like 23 6″8 players – they don’t need more. Yes DrMaryB they have 23 – go count.

I’d settle for Jarrett Jack or one of Indiana’s pg before I trade 1/3 of our talent for a 37 year old player

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No the trade for nash that i think ramon had a work and even if we had to give up a first and second with two or three players it a be worth it. Trust me.And melo to the knicks a make them better, two killer scorers and a good point. Should a traded marvin for raymond when mj wanted duck.

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A jackass calling somebody an idiot?
Oh My?

LOL!

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Jamillion

Who knows how many helpful players we passed on to keep Marvin?
We locked up Jon Koncack to a silly contract too, just because Detroit wanted him! Look how far that set us back?

Now Marvin, what he does on defense is easily replaceable. See Damien.

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Ramon

Actually, Melo speaks from a position of strength. He will be an UFA after this year, and he is a native New Yorker. He can make his own dreams come true, besides, La La loves NY too.

If Denver doesn’t get on board? They get nothing!

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JeJe & Jamillion, the allure of a trade for Nash is Phoenix desire to get younger and cheaper. They have financial issues as well. Any trade for Nash will require obtaining another player/salary. This is why the Hawks would have to take Josh Childress as well. Their salaries are 10.3 & 6 mil respectfully = 16.3 per year. Again, Marvin would be redundant if they keep Childress and no one wants Hill. Teague is young, cheap, and has talent, ZaZa is young, cheap, and big which Phoenix need/desire; moreover, the #1 pick will be cheap. Let’s remember Nash only has a couple years left and Chidress is too costly and does not provide low post defense/rebound9ng they desire. The Hawks have young players and the trade exception to allow Phoenix to begin their rebuilding plans. Jamal would be redundant and dumpping Childress’ salary would give Phoenix more flexible for future moves. IN CONCLUSION, THIS IS WHY THE HAWKS ARE PROBABLY MOST LIKELY TRADE PARTNER!

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Looks like New Orleans are the Hawks of the West coast..they too started out undefeated but now have been losing to teams they should have handled..they lost to Philly today..wow!

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Drmaryb, that means if LAL wanted to make a trade for Melo (for instance Odum and Bynum for Melo and Nene- not that impossible), he wouldn’t be open for it. NYK is far from winning a title. I honestly believe they’re farther than the Nets.

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Jeje, no chance in the world. lol

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Wow @ you actually thinking I was serious

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Send JT and JJ(119mil) to Washington for Kirk Hinrich(pg) and their 1st rd pick.

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I think it was fun to see the Hawks frustrate Granny Danger and do what ever they did to keep Roy Hibbert from shining. I thought TJ and Brandon Rush might have been threats but ATL were able to keep the lead and close the game out. And the A squad was able to secure this win after another back to back.

Looking forward to the next game. Go Hawks one game at a time!

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All these grass is greener trades are just wack. But whatever.

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“Najeh, are you retarded ? Marvin has been a bench player only for the Hawks up until this year. Who have you been watching ?”

You may or may not be aware, but if you start a game, you are not a bench player.

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Still not liking Nash ideas here. He’s just too old. Ford or Jack on the cheap would be helpful. I don’t see IND giving up Collison.

I hope Powell gets good treatment. I like that kid more with each and every game. Excellent pick-up. Collins deserves some praise as well.

Why can’t we see JC2 instead of Mo in spot minutes?

Teague definitely played well, hope he gains confidence and keeps rolling. Loved the energy, rebounding and PG play, though Ford did prove his defense needs work.

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Just so some of you will know what Phoenix’s lineup looks like, and what their fans think of the Suns players.

http://www.phxsuns.net/showthread.php?2380-Suns-Quarter-Season-Grades

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Powell’s post moves look damn good for someone who has hardly gotten PT in his career

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Our defensive versatility is through the roof with Damien on the team.

When JJ returns, you can throw out lineups including Mo/Joe/Damien/Marvin from the SG position to PF. Collins can contain bigger players and Teague would be a good PG if he actually was consistent and got PT.

Signing Damien was probably the best move Sund has made for this franchise (and remember: he wouldn’t have signed Damien if Damien hadn’t played on his team in Seattle)

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Any ideas why ZaZa is so clueless on footwork, positioning and rotations? I know folks bash him alot, but I remember several years where he meshed and seemed like a viable bench option. This year and last year he’s just out of sorts.

What’s the deal with keeping Damien? I’m assuming he’s gone when Joe comes back. How can we keep him? Can we get a medial exception on Sy if he won’t ever play?

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These wack ass grass is greener trades are a joke. They consistently make me laugh. hahaha.

OJ Mayo take Bibbsters job? Really? OJ can’t even take Mike Conley’s starting job. And Steve Nash automatically making the Hawks a contender? Really? How so? What makes you so sure?

Stop it, I say! But, whatever!

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Damien becomes guaranteed on January 15th or something. Sometime in January

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Jeje, its funny, LD is doing the same thing on the bench that Woody was doing. LD came with the promise to play more young players, but its not seeming that way in the games. Powell just replaced Joe Smith. And Collins is getting more minutes.

I always think the time to play young players is in the beginning of the 2nd quarter. In the beginning of the second quarter you can quickly see if they’re going to have a good night or not. If they’re not, they haven’t done enough damage to risk losing the game.

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Hey tony why do you want us to get kirk for jj so bad. It doesn’t work and it doesn’t solve a need.

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Does anyone else feel like ZaZa cares more about his restaurant than basketball? Also, did that awards show ever happen involving him being Best Dressed in ATL?

LD uses the bench well at times (like last night), but when he does a good job rotating in early 2nd quarter, he just forgets about it in the 2nd half and ppl like teague get no burn

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Jeje, sorry, but if he cared more about his restaurant than basketball, would that be a terrible decision for him? In 10 years his business portfolio has a greater chance of being larger than his player portfolio. I can’t fault a player who make more moves for business than basketball. When you look at the owners, you have more owners who are in the league for what it can do business wise (not necessarily money but influence in respective cities) than they are in basketball. There aren’t many owners who are true fans of the game like Cuban is. There are a lot of owners who don’t even go to most games..

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I like Hinrich too. He could help the Hawks plenty.
I think he’d be a nice addition for closing out games.
High Bball IQ, doesn’t give up, defensive minded.
Leader.

Probably would complement JJ/Al better at the end of games looking to hit open 3’s and score in the motion rather than being another iso threat. Also would probably enable Teague to run the offense more.

But that’s about the last time i’ll think about that, cause it aint gonna happen.

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I think Powell is putting up better numbers than Z this year LOL.

Too bad next year half our team will be new players on veteran minimum contracts because that’s all BASG can afford and how pathetic our GM is

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Hey Mz.Hawkdafied, I believe Nash will make the hawks a condender but we will have to give up too much to sign him. I’m quite sure we will lose JS or AH and a 1st rd pick to bring Nash to the ATL. That’s just too much to give up for a 36 yr old veteran in my opinion.

I would send JT and fan basher, unapologetic JJ to Washington for Kirk Hinrich(pg) and a 1st or 2nd rd pick. It’s not an attractive move but I believe it will bring stability to the team and from a business standpoint we now have money to spend.

1) Kirk Hinrich…….Mike Bibby
2) Damien W………Maurice Evans
3) Josh S…………..Marvin Williams
4) Al H………………Josh Powell
5) Jason C………….ZaZa

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Jarret jack collisson ain’t gone take this team no where. You need real players and nash a bring real vet leadership

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Ramon, that’s not true.

Z averaged like 13 & 7 one year and close to that the year before (early in his 1st contract). I mean, the guy is still young. He’s not out of shape – he’s healthy.

how is he so sorry?

Same goes for Mo (no offensive game at all except for random shots (every shot he takes looks like a prayer) and Marvin (BE CONSISTENT).

These are the 3 worst players in our rotation. Bibby, while horrendously lethargic, still seems consistent with his shot, despite his horrid defense.

Get rid of Mo, Marvin, and Z, and sign 3 HUNGRY veteran minimum players similar to Damien and then resign Jamal and we’ll be in a better position. Of course, you can’t just “get rid of them”

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U people can’t just pick players u want and offer !@#$ for them. Joe for Kirk Hinrich? have u even looked at the contractual discrepancies?

I’ll just keep watching everyday as people think we’ll trade Marvin, Mo and ZaZa for a star player

SMGDMFH

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Sorry Jamal Crawford. I forgot to include you in the lineup.

1) Kirk Hinrich……..Bibby
2) Damien…………..Jamal
3) Josh.S……………Marvin W
4) Al H………………Josh P
5) Jason C…………ZaZa P

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Amen, Ramon.

Well at least in those big minutes, ZaZa put up something. Now in sparse minutes he’s just a bench scrub.

STOP WITH THE KIRK HINRICH BS TRADE OFFERS.

LOL

JOE JOHNSON FOR KIRK HINRICH.

CAN 2 OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD CONDONE THIS TRADE AS MAKING SENSE FOR BOTH TEAMS CUZ I SURE AS HELL CAN’T?

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OK . . I’m getting a little clairity on why we don’t send people to the D-League. This is from the Collective Bargaining Agreement:

69. What is the NBA Developmental League (NBA D-League)?

The NBA Developmental League (NBA D-League) is a separate league run in affiliation with the NBA. Teams may assign up to two of their players to an NBA D-League team.

Only players with fewer than two years’ experience may be assigned to an NBA D-League team, and each player can be assigned no more than three times per season.

If an active player is assigned, he is automatically placed on the team’s Inactive List. There is no minimum or maximum length of an NBA D-League assignment, and players have 48 hours to report to the NBA D-League team once they are assigned.

Players continue to receive their NBA salary while assigned to the NBA D-League. NBA D-League rosters are normally 10 players, but can expand to 12 to accommodate assigned NBA players.

In some cases where one team might be overstocked with assignees or players at a particular position, players might be reassigned to a different team. NBA teams do not control the playing time their assignees receive — that matter is up to the discretion of the NBA D-League coaches.

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The same people hating on Kirk Hinrich are the same people that were hating on Raymond Felton but look at the impact he’s having with the Knicks. Washington has John Wall as their starting pg so they no longer need Hinrich’s services we do.

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Drmary, you could’ve at least waited until tomorrow to end that dream, lol. Could’ve let me got a good night sleep with it. I know it would probably never happen. Just think he’s the perfect owner. I’d take Arthur Blank over Jerry Jones any day of the week. He’s passionate, and present, but not overbearing.

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Now this is what the CBA says about active rosters and inactive players:

67. What roster size limits exist? What is the Inactive List? What is Injured Reserve?

A team must have 12 players on its active roster, although they can drop to 11 for up to two weeks at a time. They must suit up at least eight players for every game. Any remaining players must be on its Inactive List, and are ineligible to play in games.

A team must have a minimum of one and a maximum of three players on its Inactive List, although they can drop to zero for up to two weeks at a time, and can temporarily have four with league approval in the event of a hardship.

The composition of the Inactive List can change on a game-by-game basis — no less than 60 minutes prior to tipoff, the team must present to the official scorer a list of the players who will be active for that game. A player can be inactive for as little as one game.

While individual teams are only required to carry 13 players (12 active and one inactive), the NBA also guarantees a league- wide average of at least 14 players per team. The league is surcharged if they do not meet this obligation.

Injured Reserve is the previous name for the Inactive List. It was originally intended for players who were injured and unable to play, however teams often used it as a convenient place to stash extra players.

While a medical reason was required for players to be put on Injured Reserve, the league did not insist on an independent physician confirming the diagnosis. Thus it was common for a seemingly healthy player to suddenly develop “back spasms” right before rosters were cut to 12 players, and spend the entire season on Injured Reserve as a result.

With the current CBA they gave up the ghost, dropped the medical requirement, and changed ” injured” to “inactive.”

Players assigned to the NBA Developmental League are automatically put on the inactive list.

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Ramon

I know baby! I wish we had Blank too? But, you never know what Santa Claus might bring us? Nothing is impossible – So, keep dreaming! You Never know?

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“The thing about Football is people on Food-Stamps can go to a game for $10.00 or get a job as an usher for minimum wage and see all the home games on the time clock!”

Wait, what? What football game costs $10 to get in?

I have gone to many Hawks games for $15 before, but the least I have ever paid to go to a Falcons game is $50 (which is why I have only been to three of them).

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$10 LOL!

Hey Najeh, I went back to when Blank was in year One. The Falcons were so bad, he had a $10 section. I know I was stretching that fact … Ha Ha … Because the 2nd year he slightly increased the prices to like $150 for the season.

Each year, Blank has increased those prices. But, a few of my classmates in med-school were working there as on field security in the bright yellow vinyl capes. I know The Braves got $10 and $1 (standing room only) tickets though.

But, you’re right Football is not cheap!

You got me blowing gas there. LOL!

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Oh haha OK… this is why I always laugh when people talk about how expensive Hawks tickets are, when they are pennies compared to what people pay to sell out the Dome.

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A Known Fact!

It is a known fact, that if your starter has two fouls in 7 minutes? You sit his butt down! That’s why you have subs! Besides, why let a 2 foul player get a frustration 3rd foul in the 1st and most irrelevant quarter, before the refs settle down too?

You need to know your starters can play fearless in the 3rd and 4th decisive quarters. If you can keep a NBA Game close, you can win it in the 4th!
Dwight sits with a 100% frequency with two fouls in his 1st quarters too.
Do the complaining blogger really believe that is not a strategy to win the game not the small battles?

Coach Drew didn’t invent this strategy 22 games ago – This is a known fact!

I know it’s hard for the microwave fans to be patient.
But, Patience is a Virtue – nonetheless.

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One more thing and I’m done with this topic:

Doc didn’t spoon feed Nate strained peas and carrots, nor did Doc wipe his little chin and burp him either, no time for all that. They were getting KG ready and jockeying for a play-off seeding with our Hawks. The best thing was for Nate not to be disruptive to the TEAM and LEARN where he fit in –

FROM DA’ BENCH! Everyone already knew he could score, that team didn’t need him to score like a reckless maniac. That’s what he did in NY and never passed the ball, he had to learn how to do things – Doc’s Way!

That’s what Jordan has to do as well!
OK! I’m done here, was up all night traveling in the car, just got back
from a funeral in NYC! See my buddies after a Hawks Win Tuesday night!

Happy Holidays Everyone!

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drmaryb you’re a joke.

You don’t belong speaking my name in the same sentence as yours. You just use exclamation marks and are the AJC Hawks Blog Cheerleader.

bite me

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For the people ready to give up on Teague… Darren Collison having issues

http://www.indystar.com/article/20101213/SPORTS04/12130313/1062/SPORTS04/Collison-still-confused-by-point-guard-rotation

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Re: Kirk Hinrich: I think Kirk Hinrich would be a solid acquisition … depending on who the Hawks had to give up to get him. Giving up JJ would be way too much, though.

Re: JC2 & Teague’s playing time: I think Dr. Mary makes some good points. One additional thing to keep in mind with JC2 is that he duplicates what JC1 does (high-volume shooter w/o much D), but in a rookie, not-near-as-good form. As for Teague, I was really hoping that he would progress enough so that he would EARN more minutes, but thus far, he has been inconsistent at best.

Re: Mo Evans: I was really expecting Mo to have a break out year. He moves well without the ball, and last year, he showed flashes of explosiveness especially when playing around the base line. I really thought the motion offense would suit Mo’s skill set well. But alas, Mo is not really looking any better. Perhaps his knee surgery has something to do with this. Perhaps Mo is as good as he is going to get. ???

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Remember Sund said we are not trying to be contenders, he’s just hoping we have enough to remain in the top 4 in the East. He may have missed on that one:
Celts
Magic
Heat
Bulls
and if the Knicks get ‘Melo….

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Joe Johnson for Kirk Hinrich.

LOL!!!!! People on this board aren’t even completely rejecting that one. That is the worst trade I have ever seen in my life.

Joe for Kirk + 1st rder = LOL!!! You do realize that Joe makes the Wiz better, and that can only make the 1st rder WORSE or LOWER?

Wow

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Joe for Chris Paul, now that’s a deal that I would consider.

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One thing that is going unnoticed about these Hawks are they are on the verge of winning more than 10 games on the road before the new year. If the Hawks win 11-12 games this side of 2011, I can really see them winning a minimum of 25 games on the road. If the Hawks simply win all the road games against teams who have worst records than theirs, they’ll have a chance for 30 road wins.

The Hawks really can be looking at a possible 55+ win season this year (60 really isn’t out of the question either).

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I think it’s a matter of weeks before Boozer gets injured again and NYK is overachieving a bit (Amare is beasting like hell). We will be at least the 4 seed this year.

Also, don’t be surprised if Orlando pulls a blockbuster trade soon. I wonder if anyone would take Vince from them since Rashard is virtually untouchable

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I’ve enjoyed seeing different looks from LD. I really liked the use of Collins at C and moving Josh and Al to SF & PF. Marvin even looked pretty good at SG a few games. When Joe comes back use Marvin at backup w/ Powell for SF/PF.

If Teague could settle in and ZaZa could figure out the rotations we’d be alot better than last year IMHO.

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Fundy!

I may have missed your point? Are you saying start Powell at SF/PF and let Marvin come in off the bench for Powell? Can Powell defend the perimeter at SF? Mmmmh.

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Video of CAPTAIN Kirk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUD9p9awoog

Read what some fans said about Kirk.

bwillie007,
Lakers need to figure out a way to get Hinrich. If they found a way to snake him, it is game over for everybody else in the NBA next year. None of their point guards can play a lick of defense and Hinrich would feel the ideal role in the triangle offense.

jaranarm,
I will miss him in Chicago. People often forget that he shut down Wade when the Bulls swept the defending champs Heat in the playoffs. The organization kind of messed him up by trading away players that fit his Kansas style team basketball and then overpaying him. I wish him well in Washington now.

silverdex,
so sad that captain kirk got traded!!! I hope the Lakers will get this guy for farmar and brown(If he signed again to the lakers)

triplehrule123,
Bulls shoulda traded Deng instead of Hinrich

PakoLocoproductions,
he was my fave bull…..ima mis him gr8 player

cfischer25,
I really want the Lakers to get Hinrich. We are gonna lose Farmar and getting Hinrich would be an upgrade over him. He is a good shooter, can run an offense and a great on-ball defender. He would fit in perfectly with the Lakers.

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The only trade I would be interesting in is getting Nash & JChills here!! And anyone who is saying Nash is too old..I dont care if he is 57, if Nash is still ballin the way he he, I DONT CARE HOW OLD HE IS!! Someone made a great point about the Spurs and Boston, those OLD DUDES are playing with SMARTS AND INTELLIGENCE! That’s what win games! And I dont think Phoenix HAS TO WANT the likes of Josh Smith nor Horford cause they arent STUPID to think we will give any of those guys for Nash. Phoenix just needs to rebuild cause they know Nash wants out so they could get some expiring contracts and some draft picks along with the TPE we got for JChills and they should be happy. NASH CAN AND WILL MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE ON THIS TEAM WITH THE GROUP WE HAVE. AMARE was the only guy that on their team thats an upgrade over anyone on our team right now. Joe(when healthy) is betta than J Richardson, Josh Smith is betta than G Hill, Horford is betta than any PF/C on their team..So Nash would be in B-Ball heaven if he came here!! SUND, PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN..NASH WANTS OUT AND HE WOULD COME HERE. JOE JOHNSON IS FINALLY DOING WHAT HIS AGENT TOLD HIM TO DO BY TRYIN TO RECRUIT A TOP PLAYER HERE..HE IS DOING THAT WITH NASH, A GUY IS HAS PLAYED WITH..SUND MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

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@tony,

Captain Kirk is just as good as Nash, except Nash hands out way more assist than Kirk!

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kirk hinrich and steve nash stand no chance against the likes of Jameer, DRose, Jennings, Rondo, CPaul, DWilliams, and just about every other contending team’s pg

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@Dr Mary,

I dont know if anyone noticed it but after the game we lost to Phoenix this year, the camera was all over Joe with Nash..they were doing some serious chatting. Joe could use Nash just like Nash could use the Hawks..it is truly a win-win situation!

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LOL @ some of you people.

Joe is recruiting Nash? Wow, have I been in a cave the last 4 months?

Joe said he’d recruit people here after ripping this franchise off for his contract. SOON AFTER, HE SAID HE WAS JUST JOKING AND WOULDN’T RECRUIT ANYONE, THAT “I LIKE WHAT WE GOT HERE.”

LOL @ these BS comments about Hinrich. HE IS NOT A TRUE PG. HE WILL NEVER BE AN ALL STAR IN THIS LEAGUE.

LOL @ tony thinking we clear cap space by getting rid of Joe. WHO IN THIS LEAGUE WILL TAKE ON HIS MAMMOTH 6 YEAR CONTRACT. You are so damn clueless about contracts – go read NBA Salaries or something.

Email or tweet @ an NBA analyst your Joe for Kirk suggestion and they will laugh in your face

Get real

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YOU DON’T OFFER A PLAYER THE MAX @ MIDNIGHT ON JULY 1 THEN TRADE HIM THE SAME YEAR FOR SOME WHITE GUY WHO HAS NO DEFINED POSITION AND WILL NEVER BE AN ALL STAR

SMGDH

YOU ARE SO DAMN WRONG ON THIS ONE.

JOE JOHNSON (4X ALLSTAR, 20 PPG PLAYER) FOR KIRK HINRICH AND A DRAFT PICK.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@Dr Mary,

True..they could have been talking about ANYTHING, but I wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt about a maybe joining us SINCE NASH WANTS OUT ANYWAY.

@JeJe,

Yeah, Joe recruiting Nash..its not hard to recruit someone when they CLEARLY WANTS OUT OF THEIR PRESENT SITUATION! Maybe, just maybe u HAVE been living in a cave!! Wake up you caveman you!!

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I would LOVE to have Nash on this roster. Show me a link stating that Joe is recruiting Nash. I said I was living in a cave because of the statement that Joe is recruiting Nash, not because Nash wants out (we all know PHX sucks)…Oh wait, PHX beat us already this year

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PG is all about Jamal Crawford

Jamal Crawford needs to learn how to run the offense in crunch time and become less offensive minded.

His offense is needed now because JJ is out, but with the improved jumper of Josh and Al’s offensive growth, we need more traditional PG play.(When JJ returns)

his defense has improved greatly over the last couple of weeks and that would solve our 4qt defense problems.

Jamal..PG 6′5
Joe….SG 6′8/MW/Wilkins
MW…..SF 6′9/Wilkins
Josh…PF 6′9/Powell/MW
AL…..C 6′10

What would be easier…trading for Kirk or coaching JC1 into a better PG or Coaching JJ into a better PG(BK said he could play PG when we signed him)

Go Hawks

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Yes, that sounds brilliant! Joe was recruiting Nash to ATL after we LOST to them (after the 7th game of the year)!

Next?

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I sure hope Joe isn’t recruiting Nash. I wonder if Nash would like playing with Hinrich, given that we’re allegedly trading Joe for Kirk Hinrich!

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@JeJe,

Great point, Phoenix HAS beaten us but they STILL know they arent going anywhere with that crew. That’s why it makes it all the more that Nash would want to come here cause he sees that we dont have the necessary PG to get us over the hump. He KNOWS Phoenix wont get what we have but we could get what they have in a PG.

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Great Article about JC1

Why he is the best option for late Game PG

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_feature_pieces/999/20101210/crawford_puts_hawks_ahead_of_uncertain_future/

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@JeJe

Jamal stays. He wouldnt be included in the trade.

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Nice read Rufus1. I think the contract and new system really threw Joe and Jamal for a loop, but it seems Jamal is finding his way now. Hopefully Joe will too when he returns. If the focus on team, we’ll only be stronger. We need them both to win at a high level.

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Ms Dee,

If they take your offer we get:

Marvin(6.7m), Zaza(4.2m), Mo(2.5m)=13.4 plus the TPE or the 3mil we got from draft night. Nash(10.3m) and JChill(6.5m)=16.8mil

That’d leave us a roster slot for Damien, but a definite need for a big. Getting Chills back would offset the chatter we’d get from losing Marvin. Nash should give 2-3 years, possibly more based on his level of fitness. Mo is easily replaced by Damien’s minutes.

How can we fill the need for a big? Can Etan step up enough to serve as C w/ Collins?

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glad to see how jamal crawford is approaching the contract situation from the article. i hope we can keep him around.

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If Jamal can show the defensive intensity he’s been showing lately and improve his PG play he’ll get multiple offers from real contenders. His stay in ATL has only helped him shed his image of being a 1 dimensional player.

I loved the fact that he addressed the fans and media when others on this team wouldn’t last season. He stepped up. He showed leadership, whether his numbers did or not. I think he’ll fare better in the post season this year b/c he now has experience and he also has an offensive system that isn’t 100% predicatable.

Play your game Jamal. You’ll be fine come contract time.

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MC – Can we get an update on Joe’s Elbow and Sy’s back.

Maybe Sy is sore from carrying his new wallet or maybe he drove with it in his pocket long distances? What gives?

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Marvin, Zaza and Mo probably aren’t even worth Eddy Curry….that’s how bad those signings have been.

Lesson learned for the ASG, I hope going forward.

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If we had someone like Travis Outlaw instead of Marvin and a Brendan Haywood instead of Mo+ZaZa, and kept Damien, we’d be so much better constructed. 1/3 of our main rotational players are pure garbage.

Marvin could care less if he sucks. He only does well every 10 games or when a coach calls him out (if he played under Avery or Popp, his @$$ would be in gear – no pun intended – no homo).

ZaZa cares more about his restaurant

Mo is still hurt and is too short to play the 3 and can’t put up numbers

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The reason why Kirk Hinrich makes sense to me is because he has leadership qualities and he will not disrupt the team chemistry. He’s not just a good assist player but he’s one of the best defender in the league.

I tell what, when JJ return Josh Smith will revert back to his old ways then all you Kirk Hinrich haters will start complaining about how JJ has hurt the team chemistry . Mark my word. I will just sit back and wait.

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@JEJE

You do know that Outlaw and Hayward have been bench…7mil and 11mil players.

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Ken – my bad. Not MC ha

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JeJe – I love Hinrich, but he’s not worth trading Joe unless we find a way to get someone like McGhee in tow as well.

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@JeJe,

Dont act like it isnt possible to trade good for ‘garbage’ cause like the saying, ‘ones trash could be someones treasure” or something like that! LOL! We traded Jon Barry for TLue when TLue had gas still in the tank, and lets not forget Acie & Speedy for Jamal…It just depends what one team is looking for and what one team just dont need anymore!

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