Hawks 97, Pacers 83

Greetings, all-

Hope you enjoyed the game, though it certainly didn’t look like a game anybody would enjoy at the start, particularly people who like to see baskets. Hawks started 1-for-12 and both teams were 11-for-41 in the first quarter. Yikes.

Notables for the game: Jeff Teague, who gave the Hawks a lot of energy after coming in with 3:26 to go in the first quarter; Al Horford, who had an off night shooting (7-for-2o) but compensated with an excellent night of defensive work on Roy Hibbert (3-for-14); Jamal Crawford, who was 7-for-16 from the field, 9-for-11 from the line and made way more offensive impact than his three assists would indicate.

Larry Drew: “I thought our bench did a great job in the second quarter. I thought Jeff Teague was the catalyst of that. His speed and his energy when he got into the game got us going.”

On Hawks’ scoring: “We got it off of movement. First of all with Hibbert, the one thing we wanted to do was keep him on the move, and we did that. We were able to get some really good looks.”

Drew put Horford back at center, replacing Jason Collins, to exploit the Hibbert matchup. Drew also said he could see Collins starting some when Joe Johnson comes back. Interesting possibility.

Josh Smith also came through with a couple three-point plays when the Pacers closed to seven. Drew: “I’ve got to stay on him about shot selection, but the thing with Josh, there’s some things you’ve got to live with and I’m willing to live with them when he’s giving me the energy and effort defensively and he’s still making great plays and great decisions on the offensive end.”

Josh Powell sprained his right knee, the same knee he sprained earlier. He hurt it colliding with Damien Wilkins defending a shot. Drew did not have an update on prognosis.

Odds and ends – Hawks have beaten Pacers eight straight. They’ve also won eight of their last 10 and are 16-9. Their record last year after 25 games was 19-6. Pacers took 28 3-pointers (making eight), which is the most taken by a Hawks opponent this season.

Whatcha think?

223 comments Add your comment

Rev in Tampa

December 11th, 2010
11:34 pm

Great game Teague. Second leading rebounder. And half as many rebounds as Horford in half as many minutes. Keep bringing the energy. The starting pg spot is yours if you want it.

Right now it looks like Bibby is making a statement with his 3pt % but playing pg is more than dead-eye shooting.

Rev in Tampa

December 11th, 2010
11:46 pm

LD is taking an Interesting posture toward Josh. He is willing to let Josh disobey him (am I putting it too strongly?) as long as he brings the energy on defense. What if Josh disobeys but does not bring the energy? What are the consequences? Am I misreading LD’s comments?

In spite of those questions being raised, I am glad that LD is letting Josh “play”. But Josh is undoubtly a very difficult player to coach. And Josh seems to like and respect LD. He seems to have bought into LD’s system. I bet Josh could be downright impossible to coach if he had a stubborn, controlling coach who had to make sure that Josh submitted to his will.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 11th, 2010
11:59 pm

“Drew also said he could see Collins starting some when Joe Johnson comes back. Interesting possibility.”

This would mean Marvin to the bench, which I don’t think has happened since his rookie year. In fact, I am struggling to remember the last time Marvin ever came off the bench. Marvin was a bench player throughout his only year in college, and he was pretty effective in that role. I wonder if he would be more effective as a bench player in the NBA too.

UGA

December 12th, 2010
12:07 am

I do not understand why it took so long to sign someone like Damien Wilkins……

K.W.

December 12th, 2010
12:20 am

I wonder if Jordan will play in Detroit Tuesday.

L-QUE

December 12th, 2010
12:21 am

Good game ,Great test for the Hawks winning while drained

jj

December 12th, 2010
12:45 am

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Melvin

December 12th, 2010
12:48 am

Larry Drew: “I thought our bench did a great job in the second quarter. I thought Jeff Teague was the catalyst of that. His speed and his energy when he got into the game got us going.”

How come LD didn’t play him extend mins in the 2nd half? Did he not trust Teague during crunch time…

jj

December 12th, 2010
12:52 am

I know it is just me being picky,but darn,we are playing a lot of back to backs compared to the so called elite.I guess it all evens out,but somebody in scheduling has it in for The Hawks.Good win tonite and someday I hope we get treated like Pop and his boyzs of flop got treated friday.Keep it going CLD because I believe you do have a plan.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2010
2:23 am

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

The Knicks are reportedly ready to make a move on maybe OJ Mayo. Seriously, what do the Knicks have to offer that we can’t? They are not gonna offer any of there young guns for him or picks because they are keeping all of those to try and make a move on Anthony. These are the type of things that make me have a lack of respect for Sund and the ASG. They don’t want to get better they just want to feed the stupid ones on being content.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2010
3:10 am

What does OJ Mayo do that Jamal Crawford can’t?

Coach D

December 12th, 2010
5:55 am

I agree 100% Najeh. We need a true point guard not another 2/3 guard.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2010
6:22 am

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2010
3:10 am

What does OJ Mayo do that Jamal Crawford can’t?

What? Shows how shallow you can be. Why compare OJ only to Jamal. OJ does what Teague can’t do, which is give you something on a nightly basis off the bench and take Bibby’s job and the Hawks would pay him less than what they would even have to pay Jamal most likely. I think Jamal would want more than $5 million next year. I can remember when he came out of college the Heat almost drafted him to play alongside Wade. I bet they would not mind having him now as there starting PG. It is not like Bibby is doing anything other than make a couple open shots considering Al and Josh initiate the offense just as much as Bibby from the high post area these days. Seriously, this is why the Hawks will forever be mediocre and you guys will be okay with it because you have mediocre minds. OJ would be a upgrade of Teague and would come cheaper than Jamal would for next year and be under contract next year. You dudes are pretty simple

Geemack

December 12th, 2010
6:47 am

superiorblogman

OJ would be an upgrade over Teague, but it doesn’t address the needs of the team. Defensive rebounding, guard penetrations, & interior defense and toughness.

Portlnad is getting ready to go young, and are looking to move Pryzbilla and Miller. Acquiring those to guys would greatly improve the areas where the Hawks are weak. I also think those to guys would make us contenders this year.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2010
6:58 am

Geemack

December 12th, 2010
6:47 am

superiorblogman

OJ would be an upgrade over Teague, but it doesn’t address the needs of the team. Defensive rebounding, guard penetrations, & interior defense and toughness.

Portlnad is getting ready to go young, and are looking to move Pryzbilla and Miller. Acquiring those to guys would greatly improve the areas where the Hawks are weak. I also think those to guys would make us contenders this year.

Dude please Pryzbilla is an injury waiting to happen and probably will not make it through the season and Miller is as old and slow as Bibby and I don’t see any great penetrating skills in him either. Bottom line Teague is a combo guard just like Mayo and Mayo is better. I would rather have Mayo over Teague the Bust. We have 2 bust on this team Teague and Marvin as soon as we got rid of Acie went and got a guy just as sorry. You guys don’t know basketball. Teague is obviously not addressing the issues either. We have 2 PF’s in the starting lineup why start trying to define positions now? JJ played PG when he first came her why can’t OJ do it? You people are so stupid and blind that you are starting to sound like Sund and the ASG. Good luck with getting out of 1st round this year

Otis

December 12th, 2010
8:22 am

WGARA about the Hawks…Lazy team will get out-hustled and crushed in 1st or 2d round of playoffs, as usual..

Hip Hoppy

December 12th, 2010
8:58 am

Najeh, are you retarded ? Marvin has been a bench player only for the Hawks up until this year. Who have you been watching ?

Josh Smith should do what Drew tells him to do. Hawks might have won by 30 if he plays like a teammate instead of a superstar.

Hip Hoppy

December 12th, 2010
8:59 am

Ken, why don’t you provide the stats for the game here ?

Hip Hoppy

December 12th, 2010
9:02 am

Ken, you hijacked Michael’s blog like a troll. What’s up with these AJC blogmeisters subbing out blogging ???

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
9:08 am

Good blog, but can you please put these closer to the top of the AJC Page? I’m busy scouring through the Spurs blog from 2 days ago because I didn’t know about this one at first.

Also, please start Collins. Bench Marvin.

FROM PREVIOUS BLOG (KEN STRICKLAND):
“Why haven’t we seen a single comment from our resident MWilliam bashers over the last 2 gms. I guess this is their delusional idea of giving him credit for playing well.”

LOL maybe it’s because he’s about to have 8 or so invisible games?

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
9:09 am

Seems like so many teams are on massive winning streaks right now. The reason is that the NBA just is not that good this year. I look at the Heat scheduling, literally begging that they will lose games, but there just aren’t many games I see them losing

dap01

December 12th, 2010
9:11 am

We are improving. We have a bunch of hustling and interchangible player who share the ball and defend.

I wonder if we can say the same thing when JJ returns.

Michael: Any word on JJ’s progress?

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
9:12 am

Damien has changed the personality of the team, namely the bench.

terrell

December 12th, 2010
9:30 am

Mayo wants to start. LD’s not starting OJ over Bibby. Why would he want to come here with Bibby, JJ, Jamal, JC2, and Mo already in the mix. If they’ll do something like a Mo/Teague for Mayo, then hell yeah I’d do it. But why on earth would Memphis do that?

terrell

December 12th, 2010
9:47 am

Here’s one for you Ken Strickland:
A guy signed off the street is already taking Marvin’s minutes at crunch time. lol! I am soooooo over Marvin. The guy just doesnt have it. There’s really nothing anyone can say or do to change that. You either have it, or you dont. He’s a decent role player every now and then, I’ll give you that. But like Bibby said the other day. “He’s tall, and he makes his free throws.” lol! That’s basically it. MOST of the time.

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
9:58 am

LOL Amen Terrell. Marvin just doesn’t have heart. He has okay games vs. inferior competition. Let’s see us go to Boston and him play well.

Well he had 2 games in a row of okay basketball. Now we will see a lot of 5 point and 2 point games

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
9:59 am

Hip Hoppy

December 12th, 2010
10:36 am

Yeah. And you must remember Hawks needed a point guard then (and even still) and Chris Paul was available but Hawks (who had five 6′9″ forwards) drafted Marvin, a 6′9″ forward…

lewis

December 12th, 2010
10:39 am

Move Marvin to the bench he’ll either get angry and want to prove himself, or he’ll be a solid bench player, its a win win.

With Joe gone, its easier to see what is wrong with the team as constructed.

I’m okay with where we’re at regarding the center position with Al’s skill and athleticism, along with the scoring of J Powell, the fouls of Zaza and the defense JCollins. Yes, it would be nice to have a big who could defend, score and draw charges but, as they say, it is what it is.

Bibby is doing what he can but it really is not going to be enough. The point guard position just does not work, made especially worse by playing along side Jamal at the end of games, which makes us about as strong as Phoenix on D.

Bibby/Jamal/Josh/Al/Collins is okay.

Jamal/Joe/Josh/Al/Collins is a bit better but Jamal and JJ never seem to play that well together, and Josh and Al never seem to get the ball.

Against teams with quick pg’s, we fail. Teague has looked much better the last few times he’s played. I think he’s proven on multiple occasions his speed, ability to drive and dish, rebound, and play solid man-man D. But he’s raw as hell, can’t hit a jump shot and never gets any time with the starters.

Bibby did okay for awhile against San-Antonio, but his blown coverages cost us the game when he got tired in the end. He’s not a bad player but he doesn’t set up people with speed and quickness, he doesn’t break down defenses, he doesn’t play defense, etc. Teague isn’t great by any means, but he gets our offensively challenged bigs easy shots near the basket at least. It makes me wonder how many more easy baskets Josh Joe and Al would get with a legitimate PG in his prime. How much easier it would be on everyone to defend.

Hopes and dreams…

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
11:26 am

“Against teams with quick pg’s, we fail”

EXACTLY. TJ Ford should’ve gotten like 35+ minutes last night. He is craft, quick, and always owns us.

The problem is that virtually every team worth a damn, or in general, has a quick PG.

We are stuck with overweight Bibby

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
11:27 am

“Against teams with quick pg’s, we fail”

EXACTLY. TJ Ford should’ve gotten like 35+ minutes last night. He is craft, quick, and always owns us.

The problem is that virtually every team worth a damn, or in general, has a quick PG.

We are stuck with overweight Bibby. Seriously, why is the guy so damn big? Why has he not lost weight? It’s not like his size helps him with any facet of the game

It was not a bad pick

December 12th, 2010
11:42 am

I never understood why Marvin is seen as the problem with the Hawks…Woody would have held back Paul and Williams anyway, he hated young guards…And neither has won a championship…..The only problem Marvin has is that he is on a very deep team, that has 3 ball hogs.Joe,Jamal, and Josh…The hawks dont run enough plays for him…If Drew would start Collins,and keep Al at pf,Josh at sf,move marvin to the bench, the Hawks would be ready to contend..But even if Marvin moves to the bench he still wont get any shots with Jamal and Powell on the court…And i understand Marvin was drafted #2 and expectations come with that..but….What about the Joe Johnson the HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE! Do you guys really accept his performance?

Section 303

December 12th, 2010
11:52 am

Have to give props to Jeff Teague. I rip him on here all the time. He played well last night and sparked the Hawks out of their early funk. Good for him….now, can he continue playing like that?

I think Josh Powell being out will really hurt the Hawks. That guy can do a lot of things. I still can’t believe how good of a shooter he is. I guess Eton Thomas is going to have to eat up some of Powell’s minutes?

Love the idea of Collins starting and Marvin coming off the bench. Collins is a good player.

The Hawks are 5 and 2 without the great Joe “I could care less” Johnson. Do we really need to debate about how important he is? Because, he isn’t that important. $24-million for a walking, breathing piece of trash.

Jamillion

December 12th, 2010
12:11 pm

Why are we contemplating a deal for mayo.He is not what we need. You guys a get what you want instead of what you need.You need to pay your bills but you bought some shoes, that is ignorant.Hawks need a point guard!

Jamillion

December 12th, 2010
12:18 pm

And mayo isn’t one. And for all of your complaints teague is nice and has the tools. He defends, is quick, can penetrate. His only flaw is like he is passive. Like the celtics rondo first year. His teammates and coach need to say drive, it’s your car.It’s a respect thing and they need to give the blessing out.There’s no reason our sg and pf should lead us in assists!

Jamillion

December 12th, 2010
12:28 pm

Yea i agree an elite point a put us over the top. If i could trade zaza,bibby, marvin,mo man come to think of it nobody wants that trash. It is sad they all suck. We gotta get rid of this trash and get a good player for it. I’ll take camby and rudy for that trash.And we’ll be instantly better.Ps no more pryzbilla talk he was trash when he was here in his prime.

cp

December 12th, 2010
12:31 pm

I didn’t understand why LD stuck with Bibby for so long last night in the 4th. Bibby was getting blown by on almost every possession and was giving nothing on offense. LD is a lot like Woody in that they will stick with the vet even if the vet is doing nothing. He should have pulled Bibby and went back to Teague. I have been one of Teague’s biggest critics this season but he was playing well last night………If LD is not going to give JC2 minutes then Damien Wilkens should be getting all of Mo’s minutes. Mo gives you nothing offensively and cant guard sf’s and looks like he cant sg’s either. Just put the dude in a suit.

Jamillion

December 12th, 2010
12:32 pm

A the pacers and knicks are ranked higher than us and we beat the brakes off them,plus our records better.We just aren’t loved in the sports world, they chump the falcons off to and they have the best record in the nfl.

jtshoopsblog

December 12th, 2010
1:52 pm

It’s like the Hawks swooped in, snatched up the Pacers, tore the meat off their bones and left them to rot.

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
2:40 pm

I’m telling you all, Damien has brought the defensive intensity for this team wayyyy up.
Holding MIA to 89, ORL to 74, wow.

A 2nd lineup of Teague/Jamal, Damien and Marvin as your 1 2 3 with Collins starting at C is very potent defensively. Just let Jamal do all the scoring and let everyone else shut their man down

O'Brien

December 12th, 2010
2:48 pm

Rev,

LD has benched Josh for almost an entire fourth quarter for taking consecutive bad shots AFTER LD had just talked to him about taking those kind of shots. So he does get on Josh.

As for Marvin going to the bench, I think thats where he should play. That gives him a chance to be the second or third option, instead of being 5th or 6th when he starts.

Ken S,

Marvin has played better the last 2 games. but that was after playing 4 bad games. Which was after playing 4 good games.

Hence the problem with Marvin. He is very up and down. As soon as he has 4 good games in a row, he will disappear with 4 bad games in a row.

We still need more consistency from him. When JJ comes back, I think both Marvin and Mo will se decreased minutes. JJ will get minutes at SF, and Damien will get minutes at SF.

And for whoever wants to trade for OJ Mayo, the guy is a combo guard. What we need is a solid legit PG.

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
2:56 pm

OJ Mayo – no thanks

He seems to have an attitude, or will eventually end up having one. This team doesn’t need any more Josh Smiths.

And I hope we play Chicago in the 1st round. Wayyy overhyped. Horford will destroy Boozer (if he is even healthy by then), and that team has guys like Ronnie Brewer and Korver as key rotational players.

I’d rather play someone close to our level in a series than a far worse team that we’d struggle to beat in 7.

If we play the type of defense we’ve been playing and Joe can be fresh and healthy January onwards, this will be a damn good team.

I am begging we can try package ZaZa and Mo for the best backup C available. Surely some team wants Mo’s expiring + thinks ZaZa is actually good? I’d love to get Brendan Haywood but salary issues may arise.

We need to keep Marvin playing aggressive. IDK why this guy just keeps going to sleep after 2 or 3 or 4 good games. WAKE UP MARVIN

tony

December 12th, 2010
3:07 pm

To all the Raymond Felton haters and the Jeff Teague lovers. Raymond had 17 assists and 19 points against Denver today.

I said it before and saying it again. We need CAPTAIN Kirk Hinrich.

JeJe

December 12th, 2010
3:12 pm

This team really is pretty weak at the point guard position. I’d take either of Indiana’s 2 main PGs, and neither is close to being an All-Star in this league.

Bibby as your starter in 2010 will not get you to the ECF – sorry

Wally Walker

December 12th, 2010
3:22 pm

Superiorblogman, Geemack, Terrell, & everyone else, JJ IS NOT THE PROBLEM! The problem is at piont and center positions. No one is going to give you a top flight point or center without an extremely high cost.Sund has made it clear he is not willing part with what he deems a core player. Steve Nash is available at what maybe a reason price( not Josh). Phoenix is rebuilding and broke. They want to go younger and cheaper. Marvin(age 24 at 7.5 mil per year), ZaZa(age 24 at 4 mil per year), Teague(1.2 mil per year) , and next year’s #1 pick for Nash(age 35 at 10.5 mil per year) and Josh Childress(30 mil over five years). Unfortunately, no one is taking Bibby’s contract until next year and with two 2nd round picks next year maybe theycan get lucky also maybe they can throw in MO with his expiring deal. In addition, the trade exception allows the Hawks to take on Childress’ contract for now. With Childress and Mo, a trade for Pryzbilla (age 31 at 7.3 per year) is doable. Again, Portland like Phoenix is trying to get younger. Pryzbilla days are numbered and the Hawks should be bold and not allow another Eastern division team to acquire his services. These trades address both the Hawks main issues to attempt a realistic chance to contend. Fast forward, the Hawks can attempt to move Bibby at the trade deadline because injuries play a big part of every season and maybe by then his services will become valuable. Hopefully, dropping his 6 millions per year(2) will open the door to a possible resigning of JC1 to a new deal 3 year/18-21 mil.
Go Hawks!

Section 303

December 12th, 2010
3:24 pm

JeJe, I agree…I am a huge Damien Wilkins fan. That guy brings an edge that this team has needed for the past 3-seasons.

Also, agree, there is no need for Mayo. I would rather have Jamal Crawford.

lewis

December 12th, 2010
3:33 pm

Bibby does this intense bobbling up and down the court as though he’s going to move fast and blow by someone but can’t and doesn’t. We need a young athletic PG who can keep up with Joe, Josh and Al.

Ramon

December 12th, 2010
3:39 pm

Ramon

December 12th, 2010
3:43 pm

Hawks get:
Steve Nash
J. Moon
G. Lawal
R. Hollins

Phoenix gets:
A. Jamison
J. Teague

Cleveland gets:
Marvin Williams
Mo Evans
Zaza Pachulia
Earl Clark

lewis

December 12th, 2010
3:56 pm

if only we could get Arthur Blank to buy the Hawks