Atlanta Hawks: Pick-and-roll . . . and ‘Pop’
San Antonio–I’m trying to remember off the top of my head all the times this season L.D. has said the team’s pick-and-roll coverages broke down late in games.
The last time was at Miami, when LeBron turned the corner and found that no Hawks player seemed to be responsible for cutting him off as he went barreling down the lane. It happened against the Knicks, too, once Smoove wasn’t in the back to discourage such excursions. Of course Phoenix and Utah gave the Hawks trouble with screen-rolls.
So now here comes the Spurs, with the Tony Parker and Tim Duncan capable of scrambling Atlanta’s defense.
“They are one of the better pick-and-roll teams in our league,” Drew said. “Parker, he is just really good at it. He is one of the best in the league because of the speed, the quickness. He reads the defenses really well coming off the pick-and-roll. That is one of the primary focuses tonight going into this game. We know there is a chance we will probably have to make some adjustments with out coverages. We may start one way and two or three minutes into it may have to make a change.”
The Parker/Duncan vs. Bibby/Twin pick-and-roll showdown looks like a mismatch on paper.
“It will be a big test for [Collins],” Drew said. “But I don’t care who is involved in the pick-and-roll, whether it is Twin or whether it is Josh or whether it is Al–you are talking about three guys that are all a little bit different from a footspeed standpoint but Parker has the ability to still get in the paint off of it. We are going to have to do a good job on it with not just the guys involved in it but the guys off the ball as well.”
Pop gets with it
Here are San Antonio’s league ranking in pace factor starting from the 2002-03 season until last year: 19th, 19th, 24th, 27th, 28th, 27th, 20th.
So far this season the Spurs rank 10th in pace. It’s a change in approach for their old-school coach, Gregg Popovich, but L.D. said he’s not surprised.
“He recognizes that he has a guy, Tony Parker, who has been in the league a long time who still has the wheels,” Drew said. “If I have a guy that has that ability that can put that kind of pressure, I have got to utilize it. Certainly it looks like everybody has made the commitment to get involved in the break It is nice when you have a guy like that who can get into the interior of the defense before the defense is set.”
Pain but no pads
It seems the severity of Marvin’s limp depends on which day you check in on him. I’d put it at about a five on the scale before the game tonight.
“I am doing all right,” he said. “I get treatment when I need it. It is painful at times, other times it manageable. It is pretty much the same. Just kind of plugging away.”
He said he took a shot to the knee from Brandon Bass at Orlando Monday in about the same place where he originally hurt it. But Marvin said he dislikes wearing kneepads.
“I can’t operate in them,” he said. “It just feels too weird. I tried one time in practice and they kept falling down. I tried another set, and I just didn’t like the way they felt. I will be OK. If it starts to hurt too much Coach Drew has been cool about letting me chill in practice.”
MC
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360 comments Add your comment
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
8:32 pm
LETS GET IT..
lewis
December 10th, 2010
8:39 pm
nothing ez
lewis
December 10th, 2010
8:39 pm
Enter your comments here
MsDee
December 10th, 2010
8:41 pm
I believe the HAWKS can pull this game out simply because of NO JJ!! The Hawks arent predicable anymore!
Blast
December 10th, 2010
8:41 pm
Not expecting a win tonite, but won’t be shocked if Hawks pull it out. That can only happen if Hawks play smart and play together.
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
8:43 pm
I hope Etan is ready for lots of minutes. Twin will likely get two fouls quickly with their penetration.
This will be Josh’s biggest test yet for guarding a mobile 3 with a lot of different moves.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
8:44 pm
Collins channeling his inner Zaza. Great look from Smoove. Gotta convert that.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
8:45 pm
Love the ball movement and team defense so far.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
8:47 pm
Collins cuttin to the hoop lol
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
8:47 pm
Great start thus far, watching the game on FoxSportsSouthWest, they know NOTHING about the Hawks, everything they say is wrong.
lukas
December 10th, 2010
8:48 pm
But Marvin said he dislikes wearing kneepads. “I can’t operate in them,” he said…
Sorry dude, you can’t operate without them either.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
8:48 pm
come on hawks drive the ball
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
8:50 pm
that movement just looks great
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
8:50 pm
Marvin missed the layup!!
Blast
December 10th, 2010
8:50 pm
This is gonna be a grind out, low scoring game.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
8:50 pm
I cant tell if marvin is limping or not because he walks as if hes hurt all the time
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
8:51 pm
Marvin grimacing after he fell, dude needs to sit out next game no point re-injuring the knee every game.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
8:53 pm
Relying on athleticism to play D doesn’t work against a team like the Spurs that knows how to share the ball and play the angles. So far the Hawks are doing a good job playing good fundamental D.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
8:53 pm
Marvin = The Humpback of North Georgia
Blast
December 10th, 2010
8:55 pm
Grind out, low scoring game, but Hawls have a chance.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
8:55 pm
Smoove should have like 4 assists by now. The rest of the Hawks need to convert. Collins has got blocked twice Zaza style.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
8:55 pm
collins is too slow he has 3 of his shots block already
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
8:56 pm
Smith back to bricking the shots…
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
8:57 pm
Parker is becoming a problem. For all the advantages of this big lineup, drawing Smoove away from the hoop is a major disadvantage when it comes to defending the lane. Collins and Horford don’t intimidate anyone like Smoove.
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
8:58 pm
We need some JT0 right about now, Bibby is not keeping up.
Blast
December 10th, 2010
9:01 pm
Hawks have a chance because the Spurs have been feeding on the bottom dwellers in the West. Hence their record. Hawks just have to keep their composture.
O'Brien
December 10th, 2010
9:01 pm
What kind of shot was the by Mo? He hit the side of the backboard…
Meanwhile, I’m glad Bibby is out the game. He wasnt doing much. Will teague get any minutes tonight?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:03 pm
Jamal is keeping the Hawks in this game. You really gotta respect the Spurs’ coaching staff. The way they call plays and make adjustments is just on point game in and game out.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:04 pm
why do people want to see teague hes clearly a bust and cant scre
Rev in Tampa
December 10th, 2010
9:05 pm
Enter your comments here
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
9:05 pm
Najeh,
co-sign.
Best coached team in the league, IMHO.
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:05 pm
Does any one prefer Mo over Wilkins? I know someone said if Wilkins is so good why was he unemployed. However, if Mo didn’t pick up his option, I think he may would have been unemployed also. With Mo and Marvin in the game at the same time, you’re so limited offensively, especially against a team as good as SAS. And their defense really isn’t that much better either.
Ree Roe
December 10th, 2010
9:06 pm
Hawks need to push the pace. If they get in a half court grinder with SA they will lose. Second unit needs to be big in this 2nd Quarter.
-REEspect Roe!!
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
9:06 pm
J.J.M.,
Because Teague is our only guard with the quicks to keep up with Parker.
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:06 pm
Yeah, Pop is a great coach! Phil is the king of superstar play. And Pop is the king of team play. Pop gets the most out of over the hill veterans than any other coach I ever seen.
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
9:07 pm
WOAH Marvin!
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:07 pm
ATTA BOY WILLIAMS LMAO!!!
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
9:07 pm
WHY DOES HE DO THAT, WHY I DONT GET IT WHY!!!!!
Rev in Tampa
December 10th, 2010
9:08 pm
Wow! Marvin!
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:08 pm
LMFAO….Marvin tried to YOST that H_
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:08 pm
Wow, Marvin tried it. If that fell, it would’ve been the dunk of the year so far. lol. Why he can’t attack the basket more like that?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:08 pm
Man I wish that went in…
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:08 pm
this game will be back and forward hawks will need to score as many points as they can…yes teague is quick but im not sure if he will help us win…his minutes has been down and I wonder if the hawks are giving up on him
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:09 pm
“I know someone said if Wilkins is so good why was he unemployed.”
I hate this argument (and I know it’s not your argument, so I’m not trying to pick on you…) By that logic, every undrafted free agent was “unemployed”.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:09 pm
Marvin….gettin confident???????
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:09 pm
Marvin is playing great so far, good agressive play
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
9:09 pm
Bob Rathbun FTW
Fresh
December 10th, 2010
9:10 pm
MARVIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:10 pm
The difference between the mentality of Joe and Josh is illustrated right there on that last play. Josh is isolated on Bonner, waits for the double team to come, and decisively rifles a pass to a cutting Marvin. Joe waits for double teams to come and then shoots contested shots over them.
Rev in Tampa
December 10th, 2010
9:10 pm
Hawks have shown up tonight. Good to see good defense. Good to see marvin working on the cut
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
9:10 pm
Marvin I DONT GET YOU, YOU MISS LAYUPS THEN TRY TO DUNK ON SOMEONE??? Please just make it easy for Hawks fans let us know what your about MAN!
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:10 pm
finally Marvin cuts when his man plain leaves him.
lewis
December 10th, 2010
9:11 pm
man if he’d made that dunk
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:11 pm
Hawks are creating their own luck by out-hustling the Spurs right now. Props to Marvin for showing up.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:11 pm
Najeh..
Marvin wouldnt have bothered to cut if that was Joe..
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:11 pm
Hawks may lose this game, but they do look like a BETTER team than they did a few weeks ago. I’m not saying they’re better without Joe. But if Joe can come back and take on the new ‘hustle’ mentality the Hawks seem to have, then we will have a very good team on our hand. However, if Joe comes back, and still takes 5-8 seconds to make a move and decide what he’s going to do majority of the time. Then it may be time to pick up the phone on him.
Tyreke
December 10th, 2010
9:12 pm
Najeh,
Undrafted free agents are usually signed by the beginning of the season. Wilkins was a free agent through 15 games this season, hence he was unemployed. By your argument, LeBron James was also “unemployed” this season.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:12 pm
lmao at his shot
Tyreke
December 10th, 2010
9:12 pm
This summer*
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:13 pm
@Najeh, exactly.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:13 pm
“Red Rocket”
worst nickname in sports…..for 1 horrible reason
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:14 pm
Crawford is money!!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:14 pm
Jamal is on FIRE
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
9:14 pm
Nice moove smoove
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:14 pm
wow what a shot by josh
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:14 pm
I’ve probably suggested more Jamal trades than anyone on this blog. But when he’s playing like this, its hard not to think of that extension for him.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:15 pm
Bonner is daring Josh to spin to his right and use his right hand, and so far Josh hasn’t taken advantage of that. Not that he’s playing bad at all — nice and-1 there — but if he could even become average using his right hand, he would be deadly.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:15 pm
free throw stroke lookin off
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:15 pm
Jamal vs. Manu.
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:16 pm
Josh Smith!!!
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:16 pm
nice….all draws by josh
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:16 pm
@ Najeh, that probably has more to do with Pop’s scouting report on Josh than Bonner himself. Once again, a great coaching staff lol.
This seems like one of the best games in a long time.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:16 pm
“Undrafted free agents are usually signed by the beginning of the season. Wilkins was a free agent through 15 games this season, hence he was unemployed. By your argument, LeBron James was also “unemployed” this season.”
Well yeah, but the argument against “unemployed” players like Damien Wilkins is that they are unemployed because they are not good enough. Couldn’t you make the same argument that undrafted players would have been drafted if they were good enough?
The point is, players who are “unemployed” are just as often that way because teams can’t evaluate talent well and/or they are already heavily invested at their position.
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:17 pm
Mcdyss had an open lane to run to the basket and he settled for the shot
Ree Roe
December 10th, 2010
9:17 pm
Spirited effort by both teams so far…we win IF we push tempo
-REEpeal Roe!!
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:17 pm
made mo look silly
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:17 pm
Manu has killed Mo every year in San An since he’s been here..
Damien Wilkins please.
ive seen enough, especially when dude isnt hitting shots.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:18 pm
nobody can keep up with ginobli and hes doing that same crossover
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
9:18 pm
although the hawks are competing with this lineup, there’s no ball movement. its been a two man (jc and smoove) game this 2nd quarter. run the plays LD!
Tyreke
December 10th, 2010
9:18 pm
Yes, but Wilkins is already a veteran and his ability is already known. If a team wanted what he has been able to offer in the past, they would have signed him in the start of the season. By your case, talent isn’t evaluated well by developing players, but Wikins is already developed.
lewis
December 10th, 2010
9:19 pm
mo evans is garbage
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:20 pm
u cant even eat and watch the game anymore w/ these METH commercials..
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
9:20 pm
Enter your comments here
CeddyBu The Rap Sump
December 10th, 2010
9:20 pm
Retawded
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
9:21 pm
If Damien can defend with the energy that he showed against Queenie, then I could care less about his previous employment status.
In other words, he passed MY eye test.
cp
December 10th, 2010
9:21 pm
I’m baffled as to why Mo Evans plays as much as he does. He is touted as a defensive guy but I never see this so called defense he supposedly plays
CeddyBu The Rap Sumo
December 10th, 2010
9:22 pm
Crawford just retawded
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:22 pm
Tyreke, its actually the difference. Many veterans like Wilkins are free agents, because the bottom teams prefer to lose while developing players who aren’t as good as Wilkins. For instance, Stackhouse was a huge reason why Milwaukee gave the Hawks trouble in the playoffs. Yet Stack was unemployed most of last season. A team like Minnesota, Washington, or even New Jersey will never sign free agent veterans who are better but not significantly better than their prospects.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:22 pm
Foul #2 on Al with 6:38 left… out he goes, in comes Collins.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:22 pm
that call against Al was insane.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:23 pm
well they gave it right back..
lol @ refs calling this and not whatever Dwight was doing the other night..
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
Boo! L.D.is at it again with the 2 foul nonsense.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
wow he just ran marvin over
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
Blair was like a bull just then..
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
Co-sign Ramon @ 9:22
And bigdave @ 9:20 too
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
home cookin
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
That was a blatant foul on Blair, no call.
Tyreke
December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
Ramon, you have a good point there, most teams would prefer to go with developing youth players than average vets. Also good point with the Stackhouse example.
Rev in Tampa
December 10th, 2010
9:24 pm
Marvin on the floor. Was it hustle or clumsy?
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:25 pm
Collins w/ the strong boad
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:25 pm
come on josh do a windmil
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:25 pm
*board
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:25 pm
Work on your right hand in practice, Smoove…
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:25 pm
Smoove gets amazingly wild at times..
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
9:26 pm
smoove.. smgdh..
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:27 pm
smh hawks will lose if they kep leaving open 3 point shots
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:27 pm
nice move..
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:27 pm
Hey space aliens, what did you do with the real Marvin?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:27 pm
wow@marvin
and he didnt fall, stumble, get stripped, blocked, hit by a bus, etc.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:28 pm
lol marvin the martian
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
9:28 pm
the mighty duck!!
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:28 pm
lmfao MAC Town
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:28 pm
lmao@mac
Rev in Tampa
December 10th, 2010
9:28 pm
Crawford is on fire. The Hawks are outhustling the spurs, but they are being outplayed in the fundamentals by the spurs. Hawks are not boxing out well and are slow on their defensive rotations. Also Josh has put up a few dumb shots
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
9:29 pm
I am only going to try meth once…
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
9:30 pm
LOL @ Rethink
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:31 pm
yea I agree hawks are hustling
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:31 pm
Bibby with his one display of athleticism for the night…….nice
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:31 pm
who’s gonna foul Blair..
he shook Marvin right out his shoes..
JSS
December 10th, 2010
9:31 pm
Isn’t it great when they don’t wilt?
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:32 pm
is blair that good?
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:32 pm
Why do refs feel the need to call fouls whenever someone larger drives on someone smaller?
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:32 pm
here we o with all jumpshots
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:33 pm
Northcyde’s boy Blair is pretty damn good.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:34 pm
take this in with only a 3-4 margin vs.8-9
big possessions on both ends comin up…
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:35 pm
Wilkins!!!!!!!!!!!
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:35 pm
right place at the right time
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:36 pm
man we cant let them score here
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:36 pm
The biggest sign of how well coached the Spurs are is that you never see any Spur doing something they are not good at.
I really wonder what a guy like Smoove would be like if he was coached by Popovich from day one.
cp
December 10th, 2010
9:36 pm
Somebody tell LD it takes 6 fouls to foul out of a game. I dont like seeing Hordord sit all the time with 2 fouls. Damien should also get Mo’s minutes. Mo is terrible
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:38 pm
man my back starts hurtin just watchin marvin walk….UNREAL
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
9:38 pm
good point najeh
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:39 pm
what would he be good at Najeh? you think hed be a good post up player?
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:40 pm
Najeh, I think he’d be KG.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:40 pm
Another L for ORL tonight?
Ree Roe
December 10th, 2010
9:40 pm
Well played first half for the Hawks, but we need to get Al involved in the game. Hustle & effort have been there, but we gotta push the pace. Were getting picked apart in the half court
-REElay to Roe!!!
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
9:41 pm
We had 7 steals in a half. That’s uncharacteristic of the Spurs. And to a large degree, that’s what kept us in the game so far.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:43 pm
The Spurs are shooting 57.5% overall and 40% from downtown..and it still seems like they left alot on the table that could have easily went in.
lewis
December 10th, 2010
9:43 pm
yeah not lookin great hate the bibby/jamal lineup but marvins as bad
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:44 pm
“what would he be good at Najeh? you think hed be a good post up player?”
Probably, but more than anything, he wouldn’t do any of the dumb sh-t that people on this blog have been getting p-ssed at him about since day one. Smoove’s biggest problem is that he is decent or better at a lot of things, and he doesn’t fully understand what he’s better at and what he’s worse at. This is why you see him taking too jump shots, going to his right and then shooting a contested shot, etc. Popovich by now would have had him understanding what his strengths and weaknesses are and playing more efficiently.
If you watch the Spurs, you almost never see anyone taking shots or dribbling outside of their comfort zone. That is all coaching, and more than any other Hawk, Smoove would have really benefited from that. Not that he’s bad right now, but he would be that much better.
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
9:44 pm
Does any one else yell MARRRRvinnnn with that philips arena voice when he gets the rock?
cp
December 10th, 2010
9:46 pm
I meant Horford. I have no idea who Hordord is
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
9:46 pm
The “two foul rule” or the “Horford treatment”, as some people like to call it, is definitely one of L.D.’s biggest flaws as a coach. This is highly reminiscent of the Magic game early in the season where the Hawks were close to tied with the Magic in the second quarter, then Al picked up a second foul and was taken out, and the Magic went on a run. The Hawks ended up losing that game by 4 points. Let’s hope that the result is not the same tonight. I just hope that by some miracle L.D. will learn how to manage fouls on his big men, because right now, he’s one of the main reasons why the Hawks are down. Thank goodness for that last heads-up play by Damien and some nice scrappy play from guys like Bibby on that inbound save/steal and layup, otherwise the Hawks may be down by double digits right now.
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
9:47 pm
Najeh, I agree. When you spend your first 6 seasons under a coach who doesn’t even speak about offense except “Give the ball to Joe”. Then that can happen. And then they add the big offensive juggernaut Tyrone Hill for the post assistant, lol. Surprise with Hill as his coach, Smoove isn’t averaging 27 points a game, lol. Only think Hill ever knew about offense was to stay out of AI’s way, lol.
ATL FAN
December 10th, 2010
9:49 pm
yea, great points Najeh, never could pinpoint what made the Spurs so good but explaining it like that really nails it.
cp
December 10th, 2010
9:49 pm
I thought we would see Teague tonight but LD must be really down on him. I dont understand the Hawks. If you’re not going to play Teague or JC2 then send them both to the D league to keep them sharp and when you call them back up maybe they will be ready to contribute. At this point neither can be as bad as Mo is.
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
9:50 pm
Bailey,
In most cases I’d agree about LD’s 2 foul rule, but tonight when we don’t have Zaza, you’ll have to admit that it makes more sense.
MsDee
December 10th, 2010
9:50 pm
@Sautee,
Those T’O’s were because of good defense by the Hawks and also the hustle plays by the young Hawks vs the older Spurs..so dont discredit what the Hawks are doing out there against them!!
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
9:51 pm
MsDee,
No discrediting here at all. Just saying WITHOUT those steals we’d be down a bunch.
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
9:52 pm
Yea I am really concerned about Teague, wasn’t there once talk of him being the starting PG this season?
MsDee
December 10th, 2010
9:52 pm
Again, yall are complaining about LD 2 foul rule on Horford..did not Woody do the same thing??? I dont remember all the hate on Woody about this?
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
9:54 pm
Sautee,
It does make more sense tonight, but I think the Hawks have enough bodies to throw at the spurs front line with a combination of Al, Smoove, Powell, Collins, and even Etan. Three fouls on Al wouldn’t jeaopardize the game. Most coaches sit their players in hopes to prevent them from fouling out, but when this remedy causes your players to actually miss more playing time in crucial situations than actual foul trouble would, I think it’s a bad idea. If the Hawks didn’t have that last play from Damien wilkins, they’d have dug them selves nearly a 10 point whole in basically 4 minutes without Horford. I just don’t like the direction that the game takes when Horford is typically out.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:55 pm
On another note, going back to the conversation from earlier in the day on the previous blog, the Bulls are beating the Lakers by 10 going into the 4th quarter. They have already beat three playoff teams from the West, and if they can hold on here, the Lakers would be #4.
Again, I don’t think they are “elite” in that they are a legit contender to make the NBA Finals, but for Barkley to rank them ahead of the Hawks right now is justifiable.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
9:57 pm
I don’t have a problem with the 2 foul rule if LD lets Horford plays through foul #4 in the 2nd half. The point of sitting him after 2 fouls should be so that he can play more aggressively in the 2nd half. LD’s bigger mistake to me has been lifting him at crucial points of the 2nd half because of foul trouble. He did this against the Heat and the Hawks paid for it.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
9:57 pm
Bibby showing how a box out is done..
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:57 pm
Guard J. Smith
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
9:57 pm
smoove… smgdh..
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
9:59 pm
doesnt get any easier than that marvin
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:00 pm
Big shot Bibby, nice look from Smoove.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:01 pm
LMAO @ Ginobili’s flop. Nice try Manu.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:01 pm
you re not going to get the ref to bail you out just b/c u have a mismatch and your man flops ..
F- outta here Pop!
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
10:03 pm
Interesting that Pop is even trying to argue over that call. It was a pretty obvious flop. Josh didn’t even lower his shoulder or do anything to shove Manu to the ground.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:04 pm
dumb turnovers
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:04 pm
This half hasn’t exactly been these refs’ finest hour.
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
10:06 pm
Why don’t we pick and pop every time down?
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:06 pm
its a shame when George Hill is keeping u out of the post..
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:08 pm
Hawks are losing some of these hustle battles they won in the first half.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:08 pm
smh missed rebounds lead to points
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:08 pm
Bibby just looked so hopeless on Defense there
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm
SMOOVE
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASTY
XXX rated
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm
SMOOVE!!!!!!
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm
damn.
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm
What a block by Josh…
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm
That BETTER be on Sportscenter Top 10
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm
hope that block didnt get Duncan crunk
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:10 pm
im for Collins starting every game going forward.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:11 pm
I think he blocked that with his right hand, too.
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
10:12 pm
I agree with bigdave, but imagine if we had a center that could finish at the rim not one that goes up with soft layups.
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
10:12 pm
Josh grabbing his hamstring. That’s REALLY not good.
Fresh
December 10th, 2010
10:12 pm
Josh justed raped Timmy on national television!!!
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:12 pm
nice block… guaranteed top 3 plays for the day!
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
10:13 pm
NOOOO NOT MO!
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:14 pm
ahh man what was that
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:14 pm
horford didnt have enough time to make a move…like that the hawks are going to him though
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:15 pm
Jae Evolution ..
i unerstand that.. ive been wanting a young ignorant finisher at the rim; but particularly to come in w/ that 2nd unit..
i like what Collins brings w/ the 1st group.. solid post defender/ reb. veteran.. not going to hurt you. i can live w/ that..
til we get Dwight.. lol
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
10:15 pm
Horford should have come to a jump stop and gone up with both hands strongly.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:15 pm
Hawks have REALLY stepped up the defense these last few possessions. They need to start capitalizing on the other end of the floor.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:15 pm
I must say this is a good game
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:15 pm
Mo is soooooooooo slow to react.
GET HIM OUT OF THE GAME.
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:16 pm
I like Crawford but I dont want him playing backup PG unless there’s an injury…. Teague should be in the game…
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:16 pm
smh@Collins ….makin those guys have to mop up so much
lukas
December 10th, 2010
10:17 pm
Jamal is ice cold.
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:17 pm
bigdave,
I missed the 1st half but I see you lead the charge…
lewis
December 10th, 2010
10:17 pm
been talkin a lot of smack about jamal lately glad to see him steppin it up
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:18 pm
didnt see a foul
lukas
December 10th, 2010
10:18 pm
And Mo Evans is garbage.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:18 pm
walking foul.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:18 pm
lol I swear we can never take the lead
Ree Roe
December 10th, 2010
10:18 pm
This Mo Evans guy is truly terrible
-REEal Roe!!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:18 pm
Both teams have left a lot of points at the free throw line.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:19 pm
Melvin..
yea, you called me out.. gotta get back to the opening goon call..
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
10:19 pm
IF ONLY WE HAD ZAZA! AM I RIGHT?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:19 pm
Josh Powell, what the hell was that…
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:19 pm
please…..dont let the reserves blow this
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:19 pm
man wtf is powell doing
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:19 pm
this is reminding me of the Miami game..
close.. chance to take lead.. cant take advantage.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:20 pm
big shot.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:20 pm
BIG shot by Marvin at the buzzer. He has played a solid all around game so far.
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
10:20 pm
MARRRRRVINNN……
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:20 pm
smh our bench will cost us this game if anything
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:20 pm
Marvin with a big 3 to end the qtr…
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:21 pm
Marvin’s tweet from his iPhone when he gets to the bench:
“Kobe”
-Dave Chappelle
Ree Roe
December 10th, 2010
10:21 pm
Big 3 right there
-REEtweet #Roe
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:21 pm
nice pass by jc… 3 on the buzzer… the hawks are ballin!!
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:22 pm
lol@mac!
hawks_4_life
December 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
Playing good ball right now, keep it up team.
Sleepy
December 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
Nice pass and shot at the end we really can take this game we simply havent been able to string together enough buckets to make a 7-0 run or something to get ahead . But then again I prefer us to be close to start the 4th and then surge into front as opposed to trying to hold onto the lead the entire quarter .
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:23 pm
Damien!
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:24 pm
Manu w/ the euro step lay..
tom
December 10th, 2010
10:24 pm
damien wilkins good defense!
hawks_4_life
December 10th, 2010
10:25 pm
It took the hawks picking up a Wilkins to find their defensive intensity. Go figure.
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:25 pm
WTF is Mo doing…
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
10:25 pm
WHAT IS THIS GUY DOING I SWEAR
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:25 pm
The Spurs are in trouble now with that offensive machine Josh Powell out there. Buddy never saw a shot he didnt like. He thinks he can average 30 ppg.
RethinkPossible
December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
The hawks need a token ginger that can shoot the 3.
Ree Roe
December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
Damien Wilkins needs more PT. His defense is LEGIT
-REEgular ol Roe
O'Brien
December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
Mo Evans screwed up that last possession. Horrible shot
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
We made it this far…we cant let these guys run away with this….or even win
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
That was Jamal fault. his guy set the pick on Damien
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:26 pm
lol powell
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:27 pm
With this lineup on the floor, the only guy who should be creating offense is Jamal. Josh Powell needs to know his role.
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
10:27 pm
Who was questioning Jamal’s defense? =)
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:27 pm
good foul..
O'Brien
December 10th, 2010
10:28 pm
Bulls up by 5 against the Lakers.
Hawks need better offensive possessions
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:28 pm
thats how its done Marvin..
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:28 pm
More good boxing out. Marvin has played a solid game.
They gotta get Bibby and Al back in the game though. There just isn’t enough offense on the floor.
hawks_4_life
December 10th, 2010
10:28 pm
Ginobili is still the leagues best actor.
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
10:29 pm
LOL, even Blair couldn’t get around Marvin’ big ‘ol butt.
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:29 pm
We need a PG on our 2nd unit. No passing, motion or cutting. Everything is one on one…
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
hawks_4_life…
he and Paul Peirce graduated from the same thespian academy..
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
time to bring back in the starters.. no flow whatsover on offense with this lineup..
lewis
December 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
nice box out by marvin
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
Time to get the starters back in. This game is too close and too crucial to wait. The bench is playing pretty decent defense, but the offense is almost nonexistent when Jamal is not hitting for the second unit.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
*Pierce
cp
December 10th, 2010
10:30 pm
smh no more Mo
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:31 pm
“the hawks are right there Nique…”
Ok Bob Rathbum, I get it.
We’re not looking for moral victories.
We want a W.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:31 pm
wtf kinna pass was that
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:32 pm
Al’s been making some boneheaded passes today.
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:32 pm
bad pass boss..
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:33 pm
marvinnnnnnn issss a bummmmmm
O'Brien
December 10th, 2010
10:33 pm
Hawks giving up a run like they did against Miami.
We need a bucket
cp
December 10th, 2010
10:34 pm
And Ms.Dee I dont know where you been but folks were complaining about the 2 fuols rule when Woodson was here. I remember one year in the playoffs some writer even mentioned how he didn’t understand why Woodson sat guys when they got 2 fouls.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:34 pm
oh clean rip.. !! c’mon Man!
Sleepy
December 10th, 2010
10:35 pm
turnovers and rebounding killing us tonight
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:35 pm
over the limit already…geez I dont see us winning this
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:35 pm
The next possession is going to be crucial for the Hawks, down 6.
Ree Roe
December 10th, 2010
10:35 pm
Were gonna lose, but I’m proud of the effort of the guys tonight
-REEset Roe!!
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:36 pm
game over
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:36 pm
thats why he sat him folks.
cp
December 10th, 2010
10:36 pm
This honestly feels just like that Miami game
Sleepy
December 10th, 2010
10:36 pm
Al is horrible defensively why is he swatting at the ball like that ?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:36 pm
DeJuan Blair is really good. I bet Popovich had that drawn up, to go right at Al to get his 5th foul on him.
I would leave him in, though, if I were Drew.
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:36 pm
smoove cant guard blair..
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:37 pm
Stupid ish man…
Turnovers killing the Hawks.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2010
10:37 pm
why would you even make that kind of pass to collons
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:37 pm
Mike .. u cant make that pass to Jason
Sleepy
December 10th, 2010
10:38 pm
Why is Bibby throwing that type of pass to COLLINS IN TRAFFIC ?
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:38 pm
AND 1!!!
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:38 pm
it was a good pass.. on the money.. just a no look that Collins wasnt looking for..
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
10:38 pm
Why can Blair bump JC with no foul, but Al’s lesser bump on Blair…..?
lewis
December 10th, 2010
10:39 pm
many stupid plays tonight
Sleepy
December 10th, 2010
10:39 pm
Cant throw a pass that low to a journeyman center
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:39 pm
Even with 5 fouls on Al and an underwhelming game from Powell, I still don’t miss Zaza.
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
10:40 pm
Hawks are not giving up and this is a beautiful thing to see, cut down turnovers make the smart pass and this can be our next big W.
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:40 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:39 pm
Even with 5 fouls on Al and an underwhelming game from Powell, I still don’t miss Zaza.
Co—–F’N——–SIGN
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:41 pm
Yet another stupid pass…
cp
December 10th, 2010
10:41 pm
smdh Josh. come on man
lewis
December 10th, 2010
10:41 pm
wtf is bibby doing
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:41 pm
Josh, you gotta learn from Mike Vick… footwork is important on those passes. You can’t throw it off your back foot and expect to complete the pass.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:42 pm
Josh Powell coming in……Instant Offense (attempts)
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
10:42 pm
All the turnovers are killing the Hawks in this quarter.
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:42 pm
Too many mistakes by some of our key guys…
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:42 pm
Hawks needed that 3 from Bibby.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:42 pm
it was fun while it lasted….
cp
December 10th, 2010
10:43 pm
Dumb turnovers and missed free throws smh
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:43 pm
That might be the ballgame right there. Bibby misses a 3 on one end, Jefferson hits it on the other end.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:43 pm
how is that not the same illegal screen?
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:43 pm
get pissed J.. show and go to the rack next time..
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:44 pm
Hawks need stops.
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:44 pm
Marvin’s made a just a couple of big shots tonight.
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
10:44 pm
LETS GO BOSS TAKE THIS THING OVER.
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:44 pm
take out bibby!!
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:45 pm
did Josh limp off the court?
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:45 pm
BAWSE
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:45 pm
You can’t keep leavin dude in the F’n corner open man.
cp
December 10th, 2010
10:45 pm
Well thats game
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:46 pm
and i’m curious…
how many turnovers is horford responsible for tonight?
and they just hit another 3.
hawks kill themselves wayyyyyy too damn much.
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:46 pm
Hawks cant stay in front of Parker.
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:46 pm
turnover after turnover… gameover! nice game though..
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:46 pm
I wonder if there is some website that keeps track of 3 point percentage from different places on the floor. I would be willing to bet the Spurs are over 40% on 3s from the corner every year.
Those last two possessions just about did it. Good effort Hawks, but at some point effort has to translate to wins against these good teams.
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
10:47 pm
What happened to that #4 in the league 3 pt. D?
Hawks vs Spurs
December 10th, 2010
10:47 pm
Can’t keep turnin the ball over in the 4th and still expect to beat San Antonio
Ree Roe
December 10th, 2010
10:47 pm
Too many turnovers AGAIN…SMH. You can’t be sloppy with the ball on the road in the 4th Q against great teams. When will the Hawks learn?
-REEd eyed Roe!
lewis
December 10th, 2010
10:47 pm
could use jj right about now
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:47 pm
true…
but the rotation’s there right up until they make the extra pass to the corner.
the hawks were very poor with their defensive rotations in this final quarter.
the spurs just made the extra pass and the hawks failed to rotate to the wings.
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
10:47 pm
It’s not over yet, but the Hawks desperately need to take better care of the ball. They have been their own worst enemy in this quarter by turning the ball over again and again. The refs aren’t helping either, since each time the spurs miss, they seem to be bailed out with some sort of foul.
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:48 pm
Duncan haven’t touch the court in the 4th qtr…
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:48 pm
big shot..
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
10:48 pm
Too many empty possessions in the 4th quarter. Hawks should take a page from Mike Smith and put a special emphasis on 4th quarter possessions and lack of unforced errors.
cp
December 10th, 2010
10:48 pm
I would love to have Kyle Lowery as a backup pg. We really need a defensive pg. Teague doesn’t play anymore and Bibby cant stay in front of anybody.
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:49 pm
really Al?
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:49 pm
rotate horford!!!!!
pinoy hawk
December 10th, 2010
10:49 pm
the hawks can matchup man to man with the spurs.. the latter’s just better coached
Melvin
December 10th, 2010
10:50 pm
LOL. Jamal block his own layup against the backboard.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:51 pm
this is horrible…the final score is gonna look way worse….this could even be a 20 pt lost smh
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:52 pm
our inability to stay in front of parker and our poor rotations coupled with the fact that we turned the ball over time and time again killed our chances of snagging a huge win.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:52 pm
Spurs already have the game won and still out hustlin the Hawks
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:53 pm
if Richard Jefferson can hit shots.. spurs will be an issue out west… can play different styles, defend, reb, smh.
lewis
December 10th, 2010
10:53 pm
hawks played a decent game and gave up
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 10th, 2010
10:54 pm
inability to stay in front of guards and poor defensive rotation have been burning the Hawks for a long time……
guys always right at the rim for point blank shots, getting fouled, or shooters left wide open.
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
10:55 pm
That was a monumental collapse at the end. I can’t even believe how quickly they allowed the spurs to amass that lead.
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
10:55 pm
We need a trade with the Rockets for Lowry or the Sixers for Williams one of the two.
O'Brien
December 10th, 2010
10:56 pm
4 turnovers by Al, 4 turnovers by Josh.
I give northcyde credit. From last year, he has been saying the Hawks should have taken Blair at 19th instead of Teague. He also blasted some of the other teams who passed on Blair because of their injury concerns.
Imagine if we had drafted Blair last year, and signed a backup PG in free agency…
Ron
December 10th, 2010
10:57 pm
The foul trouble to Al really did hurt us in that one. Both in the second quarter and in the fourth quarter when he went out the Spurs made some big runs. Ultimately though, I think it was the turnovers that sealed the game. Just way too many turnovers.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
10:59 pm
Acie Law is sitting next to Steph Curry on the GSW bench.
Rod from College Park
December 10th, 2010
10:59 pm
Jefferson and Bonner hit that corner 3 like Marvin should do for us.
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
10:59 pm
O’B,
Must you remind us? Ugh, I feel sick.
And we STILL need a backup PG if Teague can’t even see the floor.
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:59 pm
Truthfully, after they hit the pair of 3’s from the corner…
The Hawks pretty much gave up.
I could care less about the final score. Who gives a damn if the final score was more lop-sided than what the game actually played out to be. This club needs to get past the notion of moral victories at this point.
With or without JJ, play to win.
It’s good to see them playing as well as they are without JJ, no question about that. But, when it’s evident throughout the game that you’re good enough to win a game like this – then a loss should be disappointing, period. They shouldn’t fall back on the thought that they came close minus JJ. No use in sugar-coating losses.
cp
December 10th, 2010
10:59 pm
LD has to find a way to give Teague minutes and just live with his mistakes. We really need a guard with the ability to stay in front of their man. Teague isn’t a great defender but he has shown the ability to be solid defensively. Teague has gotten the Woodson treatment the last few times he has played, pulled after making a mistake. We either have to develop the kid or get a pg in here who can do the job
northcyde
December 10th, 2010
11:00 pm
(( Looking at Dejuan Blair’s stat line . . . then looking over at Teague rotting on the Hawks bench ))
** sigh **
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
11:00 pm
Hopefully, Orlando will lose tonight so that we are still in the thick of things for the southeast division lead. We absolutely have to finish the season ahead of at least one of the other two top teams in our division (Orlando and Miami), as well as finish with a top 4 record to get homecourt in the playoffs. A top-4 record by itself just won’t cut it this season.
Sautee
December 10th, 2010
11:01 pm
Spurs 10-21 from 3. End of story.
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
11:02 pm
Minnesota just sent Johnny Flynn to the D-League.
He was one of the top 2-3 PG’s taken in that draft class that Teague came out of.
I’m wondering, if coach isn’t gonna play Teague, why not just send the kid down to the D-League.
No use in letting him and Jordan just sit there on the bench clocking absolutely no minutes.
I’m also wondering, if coach can’t find any minutes for JC2 with JJ out, then when will this kid ever get minutes?
I’m sick of seeing Mo Evans buma$$ out there. If you can get Crawford 2.0 into the mix, he could be a useful tool off the bench later in the season.
O'Brien
December 10th, 2010
11:02 pm
Bibby had 12, but the Spurs PG (Parker and Hill) combined for 33.
Hopefully Josh will be ready to go tomorrow
N.D.T.K.A.
December 10th, 2010
11:04 pm
For all the good play M.Bibby has had all season, tonight showed that he is a “team defense killer”. He cannot cover his man and leaves the wings in no man’s land trying to defend his man and their man. Mark my words he will be the Hawks undoing if they make the playoffs this season. Please develop and play Teague, Drew.
northcyde
December 10th, 2010
11:08 pm
O’Brien . . . New Jersey was the team that should’ve taken him. I believe they had the #11 pick that year. All they needed was a PF to pair with Lopez . . but they took Terrance Williams instead.
These GMs are just stupid.
Yeah, dude had questionable knees, but he was easily a top 10 talent. Any team that needed frontcourt help ( cough ) Hawks ( cough ), should’ve taken that dude.
It’s just flat out amazing that he falls all the way into the 2nd round, and San Antonio, of all teams, picks the dude up.
The rich get richer.
As for the game . . good game by the team, for the most part. That final score will look like we got the hell beat out of us, but we all know that it was tight until that last 4 minute sequence.
Marvin is probably mad, but flashing the middle finger to the blog nonetheless.
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
11:09 pm
Can anyone tell me why LD benches Josh for bad shot attempts, but he doesn’t bench anyone else on the team for bad shot attempts? I mean am I the only one who think Mo and Josh Powell both take at least 2 bad shots a game, yet I never see LD go to JC2 or Etan in their place. Actually for Mo, anything but a baseline drive or a wide open jumper is a bad attempt. Mo should never take a contested shot, unless the shot clock has 2 seconds. And Josh Powell plays more like a guard than he does a forward. It seems Powell takes more jumpers than he get rebounds every single game. Did the Hawks sign a power forward or a poor man’s Al Harrington? Smoove, JJ, and JC all are probably on the bench thinking how can LD say anything about our shot selection, when the bench takes even more difficult, awkward looking shots.
Also, LD’s demeanor on the sideline is frustrating sometimes. I never really see him yell at the referee at all. There’s a difference between a nagging coach and a passionate coach. I don’t remember the last coach to win a title who didn’t constantly work the referees before, during, and after the game. Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, Larry Brown, Pat Riley, and Pop all work the referees every chance they get. LD just sit on the side line with his arms cross, and his hand on his chin like he’s posing for a statue. Or like he has the great evil plan that no one in the arena knows but him. Maybe he shows more in practice or the locker room, but I would love to see more passion out of him. Is he trying to be the M. Richt of the NBA?
Randolph
December 10th, 2010
11:10 pm
I would love it if Miami lost tonight, but against golden state, that seems extremely unlikely. They’ll probably be the division leader by the time the night is over. How depressing.
lukas
December 10th, 2010
11:10 pm
Teague is in the dog house people. The fact that LD is not playing him probably has to do with his attitude than a rookie treatment. Maybe Teague doesn’t bring it on practice, or doesn’t do what coach wants, or coach simply lost confidence in him.
Ramon
December 10th, 2010
11:14 pm
Randolph, I understand what you’re saying about Miami. However, I really don’t want them to lose to another West team. I’m tired of hearing how much better the West is than the East. I know Miami is a division rival, but I’d rather see the Hawks win the division because they won games. Don’t want the Hawks to be able to win the division with only 56 wins.
Bailey
December 10th, 2010
11:16 pm
Ramon,
I agree that we have players other than Josh that seem to get away with some bad shot attempts, but there’s never been equal accountability on this team so far this season. Jamal and Joe essentially have free reign to do whatever their hearts desire on the court, without having to worry about the consequences from L.D., but that’s just the way it is, unfortunately. I don’t support Josh’s bad attempts at all, but I didn’t support a lot of the old JJ isolations either, nor do I support Jamal trying to break down the defense by himself down the stretch, but perhaps L.D. has a deeper beef with Josh that we don’t know about. This may be a recurring problem that he has spoken with him about, and one that simply doesn’t change. At any rate, I’d like to see some equal accountability, and no favoritism. Equal accountability applies to everyone, coaches included.
Randolph
December 10th, 2010
11:19 pm
Ramon, yeah, I see what you’re saying. I don’t like hearing about how the East is weak either, and I certainly hate it when team seeding has to be determined by the performance of other teams and how many losses they have, rather than how many wins your team has. It’s better to make your own fate than have to depend on what others are doing. I just hate to see Miami win and be forced to listen to the media go on and on about how great they are.
Al Horford
December 10th, 2010
11:19 pm
bigdave
December 10th, 2010
10:49 pm
really Al?
Wabe
December 10th, 2010
10:49 pm
rotate horford!!!!!
Let some one else play defense, my job is to score, and look good. The rest of the guys need to play defense. I dont want to get hurt.
SteveW
December 10th, 2010
11:22 pm
@Al Horford
Is T.S. back again to say hello?
cp
December 10th, 2010
11:25 pm
LD is looking like Woodson with some of the moves he makes
I still don’t know why Mo plays. Dude is terrible. Give JC2 the minutes or send him down to the D league..
Teague is not a great defender but the kid is solid. We could have used his speed tonight. I dont know whats up with him and LD. If he isn’t going to play then send him down to the d league . The Hawks said they were going to utilize the dleague this season and still nothing. We have 2 young guards just sitting on the bench. As much as I have been disappointed with Teague this year he has still been better than Mo Evans. Let the 2 young guys go down there and work on their game.
Section 303
December 10th, 2010
11:26 pm
Guys, I think Teague being in the dog house comes from the Boston game, Thanksgiving week. At a timeout, Teague stormed in the middle of the coaches huddle and Coach Drew got on him pretty good to get back to the bench. I think Teague opened the door to the dog house at that moment.
Teague sucks anyways, so who cares. I’m glad he is not playing.
Realizing more and more that I like Josh Smith. He drives me nuts sometimes. But, when I saw he was hurt, I turned to my wife and said “I’d rather lose Joe Johnson for the season rather than lose Josh for any extended period of time.” The guy does dumb stuff on the floor and acted like an infant during the Philly game, but he is the best player on the team.
O'Brien
December 10th, 2010
11:32 pm
northcyde,
some GM’s are afraid of the backlash too. Imagine if NJ took Blair at #11, and then during his rookie season, he has season ending surgery because of his knees? That GM would get a lot of heat.
As for the game, the Hawks need a solid backup PG. We can’t keep playing with Jamal as our backup PG, because some games he will be cold, and some games his shot selection will be off, and some games his defense will be horrible
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2010
11:36 pm
DeJuan Blair was undervalued because of his height too.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 10th, 2010
11:39 pm
Sat & Pepper!
Hawks just need some seasoning!
They need that old vet swagg … To learn how to close out games and win!
That’s what San Antone’ has and Boston and L.A. Have that all the rest don’t.
Barrel Aged – Fine Wine teams play smart and within their abilities.
Role Players who know that if you’re not a PG? Run the floor!
Randolph
December 10th, 2010
11:46 pm
You know what’s really shocking?
The Knicks are currently tied with us, record-wise. That’s right, the Knicks. Wow.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 10th, 2010
11:52 pm
You got a problem with Jamal breaking down the defense?
He is the only player who can and finish or assist for a Three?
Too bad none of our PG’s can do that?
These fans will complain if you do and complain if you don’t!
If I were Joe? I wouldn’t listen to half these fans either.
No matter what you do? Somebody’s gonna’ be miserable.
You can never win as an athlete.
We just got beat by a better, savy, smart, veteran team tonight.
Great Effort, until we quit half-way in the fourth!
We gave away 4 consecutive offensive:
peach turnover pies glazed with crisco icing.
Bulls beat Lakers tonight, I guess they are Elite now.
Jae Evolution
December 10th, 2010
11:52 pm
@Randolph
With Amare and Felton the Knicks are now Suns East, and they will make playoffs.
The Hawks have only two ‘true’ matchups in the East Magic and Celtics, come playoff time this team has to knock off all these boneheaded plays that players try to make.
Mo Evans tried to do too much, Josh Smith tries to do too much at times, they forced passes that weren’t there, these mistakes have to be erased come playoff time if we want to move past 2nd round which I personally believe we can do.
Drew
December 10th, 2010
11:57 pm
The Bulls are probably the most overrated team in the league right now. They have some nice personnel with Rose and Boozer, but they have a long way to go. A single win over the Lakers doesn’t make anyone elite. The Hawks have blown out the Lakers at Philips the last couple of years, but that doesn’t translate in overall success when it’s all said and done.
drmaryb (*_*)
December 10th, 2010
11:57 pm
Lakers started season 8 – O
Then went 8 – 7
Only three wins against teams above .500
However, they are still the Lakers! You get passes only when you:
Win Something!
Real Talk
December 11th, 2010
12:07 am
@ drmaryb
Don’t even mention this Hawks Franchise in the same breath as the Lakers thats just totally disrespectful. The Lakers have about double digit championships. Excluding the St.Louis Hawks, How many do the Atlanta Hawks have………………………………………………………………………………………?
Ray
December 11th, 2010
12:19 am
Golden State is getting their a**es handed to them right now. The game was close, but they’ve allowed Miami to take control. Now, every time I turn on the TV or go to a mainstream sports website, I’ll have to hear about how amazing they are, and how many rings they are going to win, and how incredible Lebron is. It’s amazing the media blowj*bs that this guy gets. Not even Jordan got this much praise when he played. It’s disgusting and disrespectful to the game.
JeJe
December 11th, 2010
12:38 am
Ray, don’t worry about Miami. There’s no way in hell they will beat the #1 seed (Boston most likely) in a series. LBJ will choke in Boston like usual.
Boston is the best team in the NBA and that’s WITHOUT Perkins, J’Oneal, half of Rondo, and Delonte (underrated)
MsDee
December 11th, 2010
12:49 am
We need NASH yall!!! Dude would definitely get us over the hump in games like this!! Just image if he was here against the Spurs, we would have had a go-to PG down the stretch playing just as well as Tony Parker was for them. Nash could have had about 14assists with about 24pts..3-3 behind the 3pt line while being perfect at the free throw line!! Sund, PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN, NASH WANTS OUT OF PHOENIX AND HE SAID HE WOULD CONSIDER THE HAWKS…PLEASE SUND, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!
JSS
December 11th, 2010
5:10 am
@ Davenpoop…
60% of Blair’s drop was because of his knees. He’s going to fall apart eventually. But in a league where the Bynum and Odens of the World are tolerated; a player with his heart and work ethic, well you just marvel and pat him on the back…