Atlanta Hawks: Magic sick to their stomachs

The Magic are being attacked by some kind of stomach flu bug so there’s a chance they will be without Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Mickael Pietrus and J.J. Redick tonight against the Hawks.

(Update: Magic coach Stan Van Gundy says he’s optimistic Howard, Pietrus and Redick will play tonight though he’s not sure how much energy they will have. Nelson is doubtful)

From Josh Robbins of the Orlando Sentinel:

Stan Van Gundy left Wisconsin hoping that Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Mickael Pietrus and J.J. Redick will recover from their stomach virus in time to play Monday against the Atlanta Hawks.

But Van Gundy also emphasized that he had no idea whether the foursome would be healthy enough.

“Monday night, I think, is still pretty iffy for a lot of guys,” he said.

Redick came down with the illness first, beginning to experience symptoms early last Wednesday morning. Four days later, he still wasn’t ready to play in Milwaukee.

Howard and Nelson became ill on Friday. So, if their illnesses last four full days, they wouldn’t be able to play against the Hawks.

If those guys sit and the Hawks still can’t win in Orlando then it may never happen.

By the way, my stomach virus had me on the shelf for like two days last week. Yeah, that’s right, I’m saying I’m tougher than those dudes.

MC

65 comments Add your comment

Alex

December 6th, 2010
11:00 am

This team has too many flaws to make any real noise. People around here overrate the hack out of Josh Smith and Joke Johnson. No Size. PG Liabilities. Bench Liabilities.

Horford is the only untouchable piece

Section 303

December 6th, 2010
11:07 am

Alex, thanks for that incredible insight.

I was about to say that I was dreading watching this game, since it is nearly an automatic loss. Hearing about this flu outbreak gives some hope, though. However, even if those guys can’t go for the Magic, I would not call the Hawks a lock. This team is just full of too many headcases. Very easy to picture them going out against a totally outmanned Magic team and losing.

Westurd

December 6th, 2010
11:12 am

Maybe Cunningham can come off the bench for Bibby? Toughness wins out

i_am_soulstar

December 6th, 2010
11:15 am

I hope the birds come ready to compete. This is a great opportunity for a win against an undermanned Magic team. Go Hawks!!!

O'Brien

December 6th, 2010
11:16 am

MC,

To be on the safe side, i hope hawks will still prepare for a healthy Orlando team. But if 3 of those guys do not play, hawks should win by double digits.

MannyT

December 6th, 2010
11:20 am

Hawks need to get flu shots before the mouse house malaise hits them.

cp

December 6th, 2010
11:40 am

If those guys dont play its a game the Hawks should win but we have seen them lose to short handed teams in the past. Was it a Clippers game where they only had 8 to dress and they gave the Hawks the business? Hopefully they come out ready to play but you never know with this team

JeJe

December 6th, 2010
11:47 am

This is a game we lose last year – underperforming vs. very sick team.

DO NOT LOOK PAST THIS BATTERED LINEUP. WIN THIS !@#$ING GAME!

START DAMIEN OVER MARVIN SO MARVIN CAN COME OFF BENCH.

BRINGING MARVIN OFF THE BENCH AND LETTING DAMIEN START IS THE BEST AND MOST BRILLIANT THING LD CAN DO AS THIS COACH.

START COLLINS HORFORD SMOOVE AS YOUR FRONTLINE IF DWIGHT PLAYS.

DO NOT LET MO EVANS PLAY

Navigator

December 6th, 2010
11:47 am

I wonder what happened to Bibby? When he first got to the Hawks he could make long shots regularly, now it’s rare when he can hit one.

NCBravesFan

December 6th, 2010
11:48 am

The way the Hawks’ luck usually goes, they’ll lose the game AND get the virus ORL’s got.

JeJe

December 6th, 2010
11:49 am

People need to realize how deep Orlando is.

Even without those guys, they still got Brandon Bass, Vince, Shard, and Duhon.

Those are all damn solid players. Bass was beasting like 3 nights ago

JeJe

December 6th, 2010
11:51 am

“I wonder what happened to Bibby? When he first got to the Hawks he could make long shots regularly, now it’s rare when he can hit one.”

The problem with Bibby is that he is extremely UNATHLETIC, so he cannot drive the lane. He has no speed at all, so he consequently cannot create space. His entire offensive game depends on 3 pointers and jumpshots. He cannot get in the lane at all

northcyde

December 6th, 2010
11:55 am

cp beat me to it. I was going to reference that Clipper game myself. Orlando still has Vince Carter and last year’s Hawk killer, Chris Duhon. Even Gortat stepped up in Howard’s absence in one of those games.

But if those 4 are out, then yeah, we should beat them. The one guy we don’t need playing, is Dwight. If he’s the only one that can play, all bets are off.

JeJe

December 6th, 2010
12:00 pm

This is not going to be an easy win, people. With Joe out, we lose a major threat.

We need Jamal or Josh to really step it up tonight.

I remember we got killed by Orlando last year without Vince

northcyde

December 6th, 2010
12:07 pm

LOL @ Navigator

Bibby can’t make long shots? He’s shooting 53% from 3 point range, which is #1 in the league. So far this year, Bibby may be our 3rd most important player, next to Horford and Smith. We lose at least 3 extra games this year without Bibby’s shooting.

jtshoopsblog

December 6th, 2010
12:09 pm

Time for the hawks to turn into vultures as the Magic are on life support right now.

northcyde

December 6th, 2010
12:20 pm

So the NBA will take over ownership of the New Orleans Hornets huh?

Keep an eye on this. The last thing we need is for the league to try to stack the deck for a team ( cough ) New York Knicks ( cough ), by trading Chris Paul to them, so that the Hornets become more payroll attractive to prospective owners.

This also seems like an opportunity for an owner to buy the Hornets and move them out of NOLA. The article mentions Seattle, Kansas City, and Anaheim as possible cities that a NBA team may relocate to.

I’ll add MC’s old stomping ground of Louisville to that list as well. Not sure if Louisville can adequately support an NBA franchise from an attendance standpoint, along with the Louisville Cardinals . . but that new arena they have in Lousiville ( the KFC Yum! Center ) is nice, state of the art arena.

Rev in Tampa

December 6th, 2010
12:32 pm

JeJe, I agree with your suggestion that the Hawks bring Marvin from the bench. I have been pleased with Marvin in short stretches of games, but he does disappear for a few games in between. This is a pattern with Marvin and has little to do with the opponent and more with Marvin’s desire. Maybe finding himself on the bench at tip-off will help light that fire.

Michael Cunningham

December 6th, 2010
12:50 pm

Blog updates with Stan Van Gundy saying Howard, Pietrus and Redick could play but Nelson still doubtful.

Michael Cunningham

December 6th, 2010
12:55 pm

@northcyde: “I’ll add MC’s old stomping ground of Louisville to that list as well. Not sure if Louisville can adequately support an NBA franchise from an attendance standpoint, along with the Louisville Cardinals . . but that new arena they have in Lousiville ( the KFC Yum! Center ) is nice, state of the art arena.”

probably not. people there would balk at NBA prices. the league doesn’t really rate there except maybe among old-timers who remember the ABA Colonels but those are the same people who have a negative view of players now.

plus all the corporate money already goes to the Cards and the city (stupidly) gave them a lease that allows them to control all of the suite money and best dates.

JeJe

December 6th, 2010
1:17 pm

Moving a team to KC or Anaheim is idiotic

Either keep it in Nola or move it back to Seattle. Everybody loved the Sonics

GT Alum

December 6th, 2010
1:26 pm

This also seems like an opportunity for an owner to buy the Hornets and move them out of NOLA. The article mentions Seattle, Kansas City, and Anaheim as possible cities that a NBA team may relocate to.

So, the NBA moves the Sonics to Oklahoma City, but might move the Hornets (less than ten years after they moved to NOLA from Charlotte) to Seattle. Actually, I’m not sure how realistic a destination Seattle is. The company I work for is based in Seattle, and, when the Sonics were moved, it seemed like the suggestions most people in that area had for Stern and the NBA were not very complimentary. They had a connection with the Sonics. Not sure they’re going to welcome a team that’s on its 3rd home in less than 25 years of existence.

Rev in Tampa

December 6th, 2010
1:27 pm

KFC Yum! Center – That is the dumbest name for a sporting complex I have ever heard. The word ‘Yum’ in the name is offensive to me. It is so immature. It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode when George gets a woman to date him by repeatedly singing ‘Co-stan-za’.

Here in Tampa we have the ‘1-800-Ask-Gary Amphitheatre’. It it equally offensive.

Rev in Tampa

December 6th, 2010
1:32 pm

@GT Alum – “The company I work for is based in Seattle”

I guessing Boeing

SteveW

December 6th, 2010
2:23 pm

Brandon Bass has a per around 20 if I remember correctly. Wish the Hawks had him, he wanted out of Orlando after almost not playing last season (DNP, Coach’s Decision, or very limited minutes.).

SteveW

December 6th, 2010
2:26 pm

Our only hope probably is Jameer not playing. I think he gives us almost as many fits as Dwight. We just don’t match up well with him.

BTW – When you see Jameer’s stats, think Jeff Teague in 4 years. I believe Jeff has that type of potential.

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

December 6th, 2010
2:28 pm

In the grand scheme of things, the team will get worse before it gets better. Joe or no Joe.
The main thing here is do we wait until that happens or do we make moves to improve the team before we slip and slide almost to the point of battling it out for a 7th or 8th seed. Damien was a nice pick up though, lets see what he can do on VC.

Section 303

December 6th, 2010
2:36 pm

The NBA should have moved the Hornets to Oklahoma City in the first place. There was way too much Katrina sympathy at that time. Look where it has gotten them now. That team would be a profit in OKC.

I’ve always thought Seattle could have been saved. Stern dropped the ball on that.

northcyde

December 6th, 2010
2:41 pm

SteveW . . . why would you think that? Jameer is light years a better offensive player than Teague. I just hope that Teague can be as good as Speedy Claxton, when Speedy was a decent PG.

terrell

December 6th, 2010
3:04 pm

This is Al Horford’s team. LD made a mistake when he didnt name Al the ONLY captain. Josh CANT lead, and Joe DOESNT WANT to lead. Just my 2 cents for the day. lol!

Astro Joe

December 6th, 2010
3:09 pm

“This is a game we would lose last year”. Funny, we lost a whopping 29 games last year. So when we lost to the Celtics a few weeks ago, did anyone suggest “that was a game we would have WON last year?”

Astro Joe

December 6th, 2010
3:11 pm

Funny, when I watch Teague, I wonder if he will be Acie Law in 3 years.

terrell

December 6th, 2010
3:11 pm

If you guys think that Marvin disappears from games as a starter, what do you think he gonna do coming off the bench? LD will probably have to wake him up to tell him to go in. Dude just seems disinterested in basketball some times. Dont know if bringing him off the bench will change that. On the other hand, we need more consistency from the sf spot, so anything will help. How bout we just break up the “core” and build around Joe and Horford? That’s a thought??? lol!

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

December 6th, 2010
3:59 pm

terrell

December 6th, 2010
3:04 pm

This is Al Horford’s team. LD made a mistake when he didnt name Al the ONLY captain. Josh CANT lead, and Joe DOESNT WANT to lead. Just my 2 cents for the day. lol!
……

Agreed. Captains cant cry and disrespect the coach because he pulls you from the game because of your own screw ups, then continue the crying to other players on the bench.

If Joe was a real captain, he would have told Smoove man I dont even wanna hear it, talk that out with coach, dont bring that mess to me.

J from the A

December 6th, 2010
4:03 pm

I normally stay away from the trade proposal game, but I think I found one that is at least semi-realistic (all parties get something out of the trade), and would help the Hawks:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2flvrml

Basically, in a three-way trade, the Hawks get Marcus Camby, Andres Nocioni, and Rudy Fernandez. We would have to give up Jamal Crawford, ZaZa Pachulia, and Mo Evans.

Camby provides us size and defense in the middle. He could come off the bench, or provide some flexibility in our starting line up. Nocioni provides us with some real grit and a decent offensive game at the SF position. He could really push Marvin (perhaps even take Marvin’s job). Rudy Fernandez … meh, well, this trade makes us a little weaker at the SG position, but he is a decent (and cheap) filler player.

Anyway, so what do you all think?

(And to answer, why would Portland and Philly go for this: Expiring contracts + Philly gets a prospect.
Why might the Hawks not go for this? Well, the Hawks give up their expirings, so it kinda of freezes the Hawks’ ability to make any major moves this offseason (apart from making major trades).

J from the A

December 6th, 2010
4:08 pm

New lineup with above trade proposal

A. Horford/M. Camby/J. Collins
J. Smith/J. Powell
M. Williams/A. Nocioni
J. Johnson/JC2/R. Fernandez
M. Bibby/J. Teague

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

December 6th, 2010
4:17 pm

still looks like a team that wont get out of the 2nd and possibly even first round…..

J from the A

December 6th, 2010
4:21 pm

Perhaps … it would be nice to add an upgrade at the PG position, but there is only so much that can be accomplished if one is trying to remain semi-realistic.

But the Hawks would match up better against the elites, giving the Hawks a better chance to pull off an upset … but, yeah, perhaps you are right. A slightly upgraded bench + more defensive grit may not equal better results.

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

December 6th, 2010
4:39 pm

true@realistic approach.

I’m just distrusting the starters more and more, besides Horford,

Bibby’s been better than I expected this year, but at this point in his career it’s only so much he can do against these ultra athletic PGs.

Joe’s out, and even when he’s at full strength he hasnt shown up when we need him the most (playoffs)

Marvin is Marvin.

Smoove is still immature and outside of HELP defense and passing, he really doesnt have a defined role. On offense, sometimes he wants to be a guard and other times he wants to be a big man, but lacks the skills to be consistently effective on O at either. no post moves, questionable ball handing and shooting (though this is improviing so that helps).

i_am_soulstar

December 6th, 2010
4:41 pm

Iguodala’s on the trading block according to Yahoo.

Now that we have a new backup small forward, I wonder if both sides would go for:

Jamal Crawford & Mo Evans
-for-
Andre Iguodala.

Somebody’s gonna hate this.

But I don’t think you’d even have to throw a draft pick in there considering both players are expiring.

terrell

December 6th, 2010
4:42 pm

Gotta to move Josh Smith if we what a REAL upgrade. Any trade involving any other player(not named Horford) will only get us about 3 or 4 more wins tops. Gotta give up something to get something. Now if a team is in rebuilding mode
(Philly comes to mind), then we might get some quality depth for Jamal and Mo’s expirings. But I dont see us getting a starting quality pg or center for expirings.

JeJe

December 6th, 2010
5:00 pm

Jeff Teague couldn’t even beat out Bibby for the starting position. LOL! Bibby is definitely a bottom 5 starting PG in the NBA, and there are a handful of BACKUP PGs better than him (Lowry and Farmar for sure and probably Duhon).

Teague must really suck in practice.

Thankfully for him, he plays in a joke of a sports city. If he was in Philly or NYK he’d be far worse off

J from the A

December 6th, 2010
5:17 pm

I thought about Iguadala, but he is a “poor man’s Joe Johnson.” Unless the Hawks are willing to move Joe to the starting 3 position, I am not sure how Iguadala helps the Hawks fill any holes — and even then, the overall upgrade to the Hawks lineup is minimal.

If Josh Smith is tradeable, that opens up a whole host of potentially interesting trade opportunities … but with my above trade proposal, I tried to stick with the (tired) “core” philosophy of the Hawks ownership. After all, any semi-realistic trade should be one in which the Hawks might actually be willing to pull the trigger on.

Sautee

December 6th, 2010
5:20 pm

Jeje,

Why can’t you give Bibby his props? Dude is playing WAY better than last year, and is even better on the defensive end. Leading the freakin’ league in 3 pt. %.

The way he’s playing so far this year, no way is he bottom 5. Last year, undoubtedly he was.

Give the man his due.

lewis

December 6th, 2010
5:21 pm

josh smith is probably team mvp this year but i’m still for moving him over Al if it means a Center or PG.

terrell

December 6th, 2010
5:37 pm

Lewis, Josh Smith and Al team co-mvp’s so far. lol!

terrell

December 6th, 2010
5:37 pm

But he’s still a head case after all these years. Thats what bothers me.

terrell

December 6th, 2010
6:01 pm

Sautee, I could play WAY better than Bibby played last year. lol!

lewis

December 6th, 2010
6:01 pm

^ im with ya. he had me fooled at the beginning of the season thinking he was a sure all-star. not at all anymore.

lewis

December 6th, 2010
6:02 pm

regarding smoove