Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 80, Magic 74

I see dead people!!!……………….

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A win is a win, a great win is a great win,

by the way, we could pick up AC Law, as our backup pg, he was cut yesterday LOL

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Wow, these guys are talking like they own Atlanta. The Magic are not that good, they are good but not that good to be talking like that.

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Sounds like Dwight is drinking the same kool-aid as LeBron. Too bad these great athletic specimens can’t learn to be a little more gracious. Ego may be their downfall!

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“Ugly? Yes. Worthless? Depends on your perspective, I guess”

Who made that statement?

Ugly is in the eye of the eye of the loser.
Worthless, who would even think such a thing!

‘Scuse me ladies but Van Gundy is a “peckerhead”.

“Don’t whine, don’t complain, don’t make excuses”
Coach Don Meyer

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I was wondering the same thing about JC2. He was there in street clothes. What’s up with that?

Anybody can win a pretty game. I love seeing this team win an ugly grinder.

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The Magic are starting to sound like the Celtics did when we played them great a couple years ago in the playoffs when we took them to game 7. I remember KG talking something like they stilled own us and that we aren’t a rivalry team when the other team havent beat them or something like that..I’m paraphrasing but little did KG know that we swept them the following year because the Hawks was no longer intimidated by them. It will be the same for Orlando now that we arent afraid of them anymore. I truly believe we can and will beat the next 2 games against Orlando when we play those games at home..the same for Miami as well cause I’m STILL not sold on the Heat being all that esp since we almost beat them WITHOUT JJ. Also the Bucks just about beat them as well so I’m not afraid of neither the Heat nor Orlando any longer.

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Van Gundy is an arrogant prick. That funny part is after Atlanta lost in Miami the other day, we could have made the same lame excuses (minus the flu) but LD did not and neither did Horford. D12 takes a cue from his pompous head coach. That’s cool. The next time they play is in Atlanta.
JJ needs to take notes on how effective the team’s offense is when the ball is in constant motion. Let’s not totally scrap the iso but scale it back even more. Jamal was so so in the 4th…Van Gundy expected iso Jamal when LD drew up a play for Bibby, LOL. Not so predictable anymore fatso, lol.

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WOW!! 2 in a row now northcyde!!

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Lol. @ Dwight saying they will erase that confidence next time. Good win, but they still own the Hawks.

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Great Win for the Hawks! Apparently LD has gotten the memo about Zaza as a featured big center. With his physical limitations, he plays more like a soft PF as he still got punked a few times by Howard. Once again, Marvin inconsistency problems are purely mental. After being star-struck defending Lebron in a losing effort, he played very timid in this game as if Vince Carter had a psychological spell on him. He played very scared. His body language suggested he had absolutely no hunger to assert but rather to be only a pedestrian. He was just going through the motion deferring his shots then finding a place to get lost in the background. But to be fair to Marvin, all players will experience games like this. Marvin probably felt it was his turn to take a few nights off and he did. His poor performance would only be a big deal if the Hawks had lost the game. Since they did not, his sleep-walking motions should not be a headliner, at least not for now. However, I am wondering which Marvin will show-up for the Nets game.

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Dwight and the Magic think that they are an entitled bunch that should get every call from the refs. Dwight fouls and fouls yet has nothing called against them. Drew used the bench well last night with the exception of Teague.

Collins and Ethan can bang and mess with Dwight’s head.

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Dwight’s so used to beating up on Al, that he looked to be in shock mode with Hamburger clogging the lane. lol!

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From last blog: Ken Strickland, did you just say that Marvin hasnt contributed to any of our losses? Are you serious? More production from the sf spot = more wins. You lost me on that one.

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Go Hawks! Good game, great win. Keep up the good work and ignore the negative comments from all the haters.

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I should also add that the Hawks currently sit at #15 in the ESPN power rankings, behind New York and Indiana, two teams the Hawks have decisively beaten.

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Hey! Josh gotta go, trade the bum!

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MC – who was the third guy on the inactive list yesterday? Pape, JJ, and…JC2?

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No justice, if you’re beinng sarcastic, you dont trade bums to get better. you have to actually trade players that can actually play. I think that’s why Josh is usually the one mentioned in trade rumors. Not because he cant play. We all know he has the talent.

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Apparently the previous omment identified who the haters are. As stated “GO HAWKS”.

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If it makes your family BETTER, then yes. lol!

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No justice, if your son is still getting tickets 6 years later, then he’ll more than likely still be getting them down the road.

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Ok then trade the bum! Kick him out! We’ll do it next bad game he has. ok?

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We need to talk about getting Iguodala in here.

Marvin Williams (no team would want him but hypothetically…) and Zaza Pachulia (no team would want him either) & trade exception money from Josh Childress.

If Philly’s GM was somehow coerced (can we get the Mob involved???) into this deal Atlanta would be the favorite to win not 1 not 2 not 3 but 7 or 8 championships.

Bibby, JJ, Iggy, Josh, & Al

Crawford, Wilkins, Collins, Teague, Powell, Evans off the bench…JC2 in wait

I’m trying to tell you

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Any win is a good win. Looks like the team is buying in to Drew’s system. The Hawks played like a team that had some chemistry last night. Drew knows what he is doing, but the key is getting the players to consistently execute and play hard for 4 quarters.

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yodaddy,

you are an IDIOT!! Stop living in a fantasy world. Yeah lets bring Andre Iguodala when we have Joe Johnson locked up for years.

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IGG 2 the hawks would take this team 2 the next level and get the city excited for and nba championship, the highlight factory would sell out more games and ASG will benefit in revenue it’s would be a smart business move.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

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thanks @dukester I was about to get @ATLisaBaseballTown

My job blocks ‘games’ pages so I can’t do the ESPN trade machine

but things I know

- Marvin & Iggy both locked up through 2014
- Marvin & Zaza’s contracts equal about 12 mill and with the trade exception would equal about 15
- IDK how long Zaza’s contract is but it’s too long
- Iggy has a 14.5 mill/year contract
- Josh Smith will be here for a few more years and Al & Joe are locked up as well
- Iguodala is not a disappearing act; he can score well and defend elite players, he does not get tired and fits the athletic multi-dimensional type of player that the Hawks roster is made of. Former All Star, US Olympic Gold…a high energy competitor and defensive minded player that doesn’t need the rock to be effective but is effective with the rock
- As much as i like JC2 (or Teague), I would even throw him in there and future draft picks. It would leave us with vet minimums and D-Leaguers to fill out the roster but it hasn’t worked out too bad for the Heat. At least we would have 5 legitimate starters.

I understand it would handcuff the team but either we go for it or we don’t. I also understand that there’s no way Philly would go for that trade because it doesn’t help them one bit unless we threaten some families in the process.

I’m just stating that with a lineup looking like that..the Hawks would be awfully tough for anybody. Defense dramatically improves and we would get consistency from the SF position. Iguodala would never have 2 points and 1 rebound in 25 minutes of play…just not happening..and D Wade will not post up on AI every chance he gets and Jamal can take his weak defense out on Carlos Arroyo (even though JC1 is competing admirably on defense).

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“I ain’t even going to lie to you,” Smoove said. “After losing in the playoffs by like an average of 30 points and playing good enough to win last time but coming up short, we was just determined to get a win here.”

Are we sure this guy graduated from high school?

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Anyone who follows the Hawks knows they have a knack for posting W’s in pretty games. I’ll take an ugly win from this team any day of the week. Go Hawks!

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@ yodaddy

Co-sign the hell outta that

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from November 8 post game blog:

At least the Hawks now believe they have a plan that can work against Orlando. “No question,” Al said. “I think now more than ever. It’s a new year. We are a different team. We feel confident. It was encouraging.”

– — “Definitely this is something we can build on,.” J.J. said. “We feel like we can honestly play with any team in this league. I think our coaching staff does a great job of preparing us and getting us ready for games.”

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It was a good win last night regardless if it was ugly… A road win is a road win. It was also against a quality opponent…

I cant believe there are still Marvin “invisible man” Williams supporters on here. This is his what 6th year? What you see with him is what you get at this point. I don’t care how young he is dude just isn’t going to improve that much. If anything he has regressed over the years. I doubt Philly would take that deal if we offered it to them but I wouldn’t be mad if we at least tried. Even coming off the bench Marvin wouldn’t be any better. He just ain’t got it in him to become a better player.

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The PTI guys on ESPN hate the Hawks.

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http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/hawks-fail-to-embrace-undervalued-horford/

Let’s make this simple and direct: Al Horford is the Atlanta Hawks’ best player. Joe Johnson may make more money and Josh Smith may be a SportsCenter staple, but Horford is Atlanta’s most prolific scorer (he leads the team in points per minute), their top rebounder (he also leads in rebounds per minute and rebounding rate), a willing and productive passer, and the team’s most versatile and effective defender.

Sadly, all of Horford’s incredible production and influence come in spite of his inexplicably limited role on the team.

One of the league’s great curiosities is why Horford isn’t a featured component of the Hawks’ offense. Atlanta ranks in the top 10 in offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions), but even that isn’t a valid excuse to neglect such a substantial talent in favor of Horford’s less efficient teammates.

Yesterday’s win against the Magic may seem to counter the idea that Horford is under-utilized, but Saturday night’s game between the Hawks and Heat is a far better example of the team’s odd treatment of their most productive player.

In that game, the Hawks, who were without Johnson due to injury, trailed by 14 points at halftime. The final verdict already seemed to be decided; the Hawks’ offense was miserable in the first half (they made 15 of their 43 field goal attempts, good for a 34.8 field goal percentage) and didn’t show any signs of life or hope in the game’s initial 24 minutes.

Atlanta came out of the locker room, however, intent on utilizing Horford in the pick-and-pop against Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Joel Anthony, a plan which worked to perfection. Despite the astoundingly slow pace of the game, Horford scored 14 points in the third quarter on 6-for-6 shooting from the field. It was a virtuoso performance by Horford, who was able to attack the weaknesses of the Heat’s defense like no other Hawk. His teammates continued to shoot poorly from the field (the non-Horford Hawks made 38.4 percent of their shots in the third quarter), but Horford almost single-handedly cut his team’s deficit down to two points.

So Larry Drew did what any sensible coach would do when one of his players was dominating his matchup: he sat Horford for the first five minutes of the fourth quarter. Horford’s teammates then naturally (and unintentionally) worked away from him when he returned to the game. They granted Horford – the team’s best player, the hot hand, the clear matchup problem for Miami – an astounding two field goal attempts in the fourth quarter. Atlanta was outscored by 10 points in the process, and a winnable game against a quality opponent slipped through the Hawks’ fingers.

What’s worse: Joe Johnson (and his 15.5 field goal attempts per game) was not available to take shots away from Horford. The culprits were Mike Bibby, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Jamal Crawford, and Josh Powell. Those were the players eating up Horford’s opportunities in this regrettable game, a fact that’s more depressing the more time you spend with it.

If only this were the first time. Rarely does Horford get both the minutes and shot attempts he deserves, as a perfect storm of questionable substitutions and poor teammate discretion keeps one of the best big players in the league under wraps.

In spite of the limitations with which his team has shackled him, Horford still has the résumé of a most valuable player candidate. He may not have the name recognition of some other high-profile stars, but he is wildly productive for a team that doesn’t provide him many opportunities. His 18.7 points and 10.5 rebounds per 36 minutes are elite numbers, and when combined with a league-leading 59.8 percent mark shooting from the field and one of the N.B.A.’s lowest turnover rates, Horford’s incredible value becomes apparent.

It’s a shame that Horford is only the league’s best-kept secret rather than a renowned marquee player, but we have only the unwitting Hawks to blame. Horford has done his part, and one can only hope that eventually, his coach and teammates realize just how tremendous a player he is.

Rob Mahoney is an obsessive student of professional basketball, dedicated to the minutiae, the overarching themes and everything in between. You can read more of his work at TheTwoManGame.com, HardwoodParoxysm.com and ProBasketballTalk.com.

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Marvin has peaked and is on his downward spiral. Many of us have worked with people that are merely content with collecting a paycheck. Marvin fits that bill. He does just enough to get by.
A previous blogger was correct in saying he is due to have another good game in a couple of weeks.

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Atlanta should have won by more considering that most of the magic played with the flu. Their close win looked quite pathetic in my eyes. Hope they don’t play that way against the Nets.

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I believe the reason why the Hawks beat the Magic last night was NOT BECAUSE JOE JOHNSON WAS OUT AND THE HAWKS ARE FINDING OUT THEY DONT NEED HIM. The Hawks beat the Magic last night because the Magic has WORSE PERSONNEL THAN THEY DID TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WERE IN THE FINALS AGAINST THE LAKERS. Two years ago the Magic had Rafer Alsten running the point for the injured Jameer Nelson AND they had Heido Turkelu, who in my opinion is one of the fist most skilled and talented players in the NBA. With Turkelu and Alsten the Magic found their way to the NBA finals. Without those two the Magic have not been back to the finals. My point is that when the Magic decided to let Alsten and Turkelu go and acquire Vince Carter, everyone on the Magic management team said acquiring Vince was an upgrade. But I knew it was a downgrade and I knew the Magic would never return to the finals again. Right now anyone can beat the Magic, but that in no way dininishes the Hawks accomplishment last night. It was still an incredible win because under Mike Woodsen the Hawks struggled to beat the Magic. But under Drew beating the Magic is as easy as beating anyone. Its still a good Hawks team without Joe Johnson, but with Joe Johnson they are a championship calibre team as far as I can tell.

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if we beat the spurs and nets i’ll be happy.

Regarding collins,
start him against any center bigger then Al.
bring him off the bench before Zaza

If we beat New Jersey and San Antonio and get to 16-8, redemption begins.

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The Hawks can’t seem to break their habit of playing from the outside in, rather than inside out. It hurts us primarily at the end of games to rely on high usage high volume scorers because they need to take 20 shots in order to score 20 points.
I like Jamal off the bench to give Bibby rest and to score in quarters 1-3 when there is no pressure, doing what he does best. Dude is good for scoring points quickly when we can’t hit squat, he’s a good player but its clear to see why he doesn’t belong on the court in the 4th quarter. Bibby is a liability on defense too, but he’s more veteran savvy in the way that Collins is, knowing where to be and when to be there, even if his physical limitations prevent that from happening.
But, tell me why Jamal at 42% FG and 34% from 3, and a defensive liability, deserves PT over a defensive stopper? I challenge all of you to give me one good reason as to why he gets the ball at the end of games over Bibby, Al, or Joe, when he so often puts up 6-17 FGM/FGA.
ISO on the Hawks, at the end of games, should be reserved for the teams best offensive players. Why put our fate in the hands of a streaky, high volume shooter, when you have guys much better suited to get the job done. Al Horford and Joe Johnson need to be geting the ball at the end of games.
ISO-JOE is acceptable at the end of close games, more-so than ISO Jamal because he almost always draws the double team, which allows him to kick out to Bibby. He is also the best in the league at posting up smaller defenders, and sinking his turnaround, fadeaway floater in the paint, which looks difficult but is likely his highest % shot.
ISO-AL at the end of games is a necessary idea that will allow us to compete against elite teams, its development accelerated by JJ’s injury. Al has phenomenal stamina for a big man. He’s proved, in limited opportunities that after playing 30 minutes in the first 3 quarters, that fatigue does not affect him as much offensively, like it does Marvin, Bibby and Josh. Al is shooting 60% from the field. He’s shooting the jumper and the jump hook with more confidence than ever. His FG% is not a hoax based on lack of attempts, this dude is the real deal, and he’s shooting a team best 85% at the line.
The end game decision of Jamal vs Bibby vs Marvin should be based on Al, and the opposing team’s big men. In my opinion, Collins (offensive liability) should’ve finished the game yesterday, allowing Al to continue to exploit Rashard, keeping Marvin (offensive and defensive liability) and Jamal (offensive and defensive liability) off the court.
Instead of relying on the fate of Jamal Crawford, though it won’t look pretty or be as exciting, (when he hits shots that he can’t and won’t hit in the playoffs to win regular season games), we can rely on better defense and higher % shooters/shots to get the job done. Want to elaborate more on this topic but laptop is about to die.

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Happy Holidays ~ G-dads Pre-Christmas Special ~ Trade O’the Day

Houston gets:
Marv & Jeff Teague
Hawks get:
Battier & Kyle Lowry

Dec 15th of course!

Merry Christmas all!

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I’m glad that many people on this blog are starting to see the light on Marvin “Duck” Williams. I have been making these points about him for 3 or 4 years. The thing that all of you must realize when you list these trades with Marvin Williams involved is that they will not happen. No other organization in the league, besides the Hawks actually thing that Marvin Williams is any good. I contend that he would not even be a above average D-League player. Billy Knight should never get another NBA job for drafting him, and Rick Sund should loose his job today, for actually offering him an absurd contract when he could have signed a Matt Barnes, Damien Wilkins, Jarvis Hayes type of player, who could produce just as much or more than Marvin, for no more that 2 mill per season.

Marvin won’t get any better because he does not have that “dog” in him. He also is very clumsy and goofy, and by the age of 25, if you have not lost your clumsiness or goofiness, you are probably going to be that way for life. He seems like a well educated, nice young man, but as a professional basketball player, he is one of the worst I have seen. Most of his points for his career have come from wide open jump shots or fast break buckets. He rarely creates his own shots, and has no post game what so ever. I am starting to think that someone in Hawks mangement is related to him, or he has some dirt on someone, because there is no reason why he should continue to be a starter on the Hawks. I very seriously doubt that he would start on any other team in the NBA. Damien Wilkins, if given the same minutes as Marvin, will produce the same or better than Marvin, as has has proved in 2 games, that he is a much better defender. I am hoping that maybe Nique has finally given up on Marvin, and convinced management to give his nephew a shot. Damien Wilkins should be starting for Marvin, because he is simply a better player.

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@ant banks if we could anwser those questions we might be in hawk heaven LOL

@Rod from College Park- well you know i have supported you all along with the shipping of Marvin.
But I have to believe some team wants to rebuild and will give us a savvy veteran for a young Marvin. I mean really I would take baron davis right now for Marvin. At least we would have another player in hear that we could go to and has heart. I mean we have to do something in these next 2 or 3 years or its over. Anybody man I mean you have to expect a garbage for garbage trade neither team will be getting a upgrade but at least we would could get a vet that could average freaking 5 pts a night!! LOL

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If Marvin and Mo’ still aren’t fully recovered from their knee injuries, I say put them on IR, sign Jarvis Hayes to a 10 day contract and see what he and Wilkens can do. I think we would like the results. But we can’t do that because we brought Sy over instead of leaving him at Le Havre, and we’re at the 15 player limit. Unless we waived Etan or something.

And I’m beginning to like LD. I thought he hurt us by getting us banged up to start the regular season. Then, he almost lost the team during the 2-7 stretch. But the guy can coach. And yes we signed Collins and Etan just to play Dwight, and it’s working.

And I do think Collins could be a poor mans Ben Wallace, and I don’t mind that. He can body up most any big in the League outside of Shaq. ZaZa is our only body up guy on Shaq.

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And 10 days after JJ is back, he will be playing his All Star, elite game. We will be better. Props to Bibby for being ready to play this season. Hope he can keep it up for the whole 82.

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HEY COACH DREW!!! Bulletin Board Material from Dwight (Whiney Hiney) Howard:

“I think a lot of guys are exhausted. It was a tough game to lose. It gave Atlanta a little confidence. But we’ll be sure to erase that next time.”

Circle the next game with the Magic, guys & GATA!!!!!!!!!!

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Can we say Road Warrior Hawks????????

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“Marvin won’t get any better because he does not have that “dog” in him. He also is very clumsy and goofy, and by the age of 25, if you have not lost your clumsiness or goofiness, you are probably going to be that way for life. He seems like a well educated, nice young man, but as a professional basketball player, he is one of the worst I have seen. Most of his points for his career have come from wide open jump shots or fast break buckets. He rarely creates his own shots, and has no post game what so ever. I am starting to think that someone in Hawks mangement is related to him, or he has some dirt on someone, because there is no reason why he should continue to be a starter on the Hawks. I very seriously doubt that he would start on any other team in the NBA. Damien Wilkins, if given the same minutes as Marvin, will produce the same or better than Marvin, as has has proved in 2 games, that he is a much better defender. I am hoping that maybe Nique has finally given up on Marvin, and convinced management to give his nephew a shot. Damien Wilkins should be starting for Marvin, because he is simply a better player.”

LOL I can’t tell if Rod wrote this or I did because I say this EXACT same stuff at least 6 times a week.

And I disagree greatly with the idea that Damien would perform equal or better than Marvin given the same minutes. Cmon man. No one in this league would put up numbers that bad in the same number as PT as Marvin. Rod cmon man!!!

Marvin PUT UP 2 POINTS AND 1 REBOUND IN 21 MINUTES LAST NIGHT.

SHELDEN WILLIAMS COULD PUT UP THOSE NUMBERS IN 8 MINUTES AND HE WAS AWFUL

FIRE SUND

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JeJe,

You know we are on the same page. I put that part down about his numbers because some of the clowns on this blog want to talk about his numbers in 08-09, or how he shoots a high percentage from the field. All you have to do is watch the Hawks, and you should be able to tell how terrible he really is. He is good for about 10 games a year when he plays well, and the rest of the season he is playing his invisible man role.

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against teams with centers that give al trouble,

Bench -Powell/Marvin/Damien/Jamal/Teague
Start- Collins/Al/Josh/Joe/Bibby

use zaza and mo as little as possible. I’ve always liked Mo but i don’t know if he’ll ever be the same with the knee ordeal. Zaza’s only skill is drawing charges, 9/10 times he fumbles the pass or gets his shot blocked.

this shouldn’t be experimental just against Orlando. Let Collins play Shaq, Bynum, Bogut, Dwight,etc Dude has legs left he’s been chillin on the bench for a couple years now.

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*WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

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WE COULD’VE TRADED MARVIN AND BIBBY FOR MONTA ELLIS OR MARVIN FOR SHAQ

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO MARVIN FOR MO WILLIAMS STRAIGHT UP IF U CAN

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LD says he’s not worried about stepping on toes w/ his lineups … Woodson wouldve never said anything like that.. well, mostly b/c he never changed his..

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Let = Lest

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Rod,

Good post at 3:44. Well said.

As much of a Horford fan as I am, he still needs a go to move AND a left hand counter move. His jump hook has improved but it’s not yet a go to move.

I suggested to Najeh a couple of days ago that Josh and Al need to play one-on-one every day with Al playing left handed and Josh playing right.

Imagine the improvement of both!

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Damian Wilkens is being interviewed before the Hawks game. He is the type of complimentary player that the Hawks need. He does not need to be short term, he needs to be a long term Hawk.

I hope that Rick Sund is smart enough to recognize that.

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So far JC3 is playing good D on Lopez.

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O well the good D was short lived

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“Morrow pushes Marvin to the floor..”

smh

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no boxing out from Al

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I’m tired of this Lopez guy already…

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too much Brook lost us the game in Jersey.. lets see if we can contain him..

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Nice move by Al….

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I am surprised the Hawks keep passing Zaza the ball in traffic. I’m surprised they would still trust him.

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Horford looked like he was about to spot up for a 3 before he took it inside.

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Mo Evans shooting airballs..waste of a roster space

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Crawford heating up

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Crawford has his stroke tonight.

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man I wish we had that center lopez

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J.J.M.,

You’d want a center that can’t block out on a free throw?

No thanks. That was flat out awful by Lopez.

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bigdave,

LOL, you may be right

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lol bob “oh it did go off of zaza”

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ill take lopez over marvin any day

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last game they were getting open looks from 3..

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LD needs to get in somebody’s face. Too many wide open 3’s.

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unfortunately Mo not giving u anything right now..

he cant hit a shot..

in my opinion his defense has always been aight.. overly aggressive, a walking foul..

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lol @ 23-23 from the line..

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Is this some code you’re writing in. Do you not want us to know who it is you’re talking about, or do they teach this in journalism 101 these days. Are krytic for areason or are your readiers expected to do extra research to figure out who eton, twon etc are? Hawks A+ Your article F

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other than Joe… id take Josh @ the line..

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*sighs* teague

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Are we serious right now??? Pick it up this is the NETS

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LOL, didn’t hear Marvin call “bank”.

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like i said lopez is a beast

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lol marvin to lazy to dive on the ground and fight for the ball

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Did Bibby get hurt? Why is Teague playing so much

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Why is ZaZa guarding Lopez out by the 3pt line…

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Why the FRUCK is Zaza all the way up on Lopez on the 3 point line? Just not a smart play

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bibby foul trouble

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Bibby is a victim of the 2 foul rule.

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J.J.M.

Still want Lopez? One second on the clock and he dribbles. LOL!

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yea i want lopez still

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nique is a good guy but enough is enough, i propose a petition to get the stinger back

jamal at his best against scrub teams

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and no new game thread whats up wit that

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finally we’ve started to dominate this game

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Jamal is pretty good at picking off those entry passes…

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come on josh you know marvin cant catch them type of passes

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lol that coach is getting on etan for swingging his elbows

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Josh is 3 for 3 from 3

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Jamal, Al, and Josh were all big in the first half. Hopefully they come out with the same energy and execution in the second half. I also hope that Mo Evans stays glued to the bench smdh

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JC2 did not get to dress out again tonight. Too bad because if it became a blowout I would love to watch him get some minutes.

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worthless.

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you know its time to rid marvin when josh shoots better than him

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2 team fouls already.

Make it three.

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Marvin, stop standing around and being a spectator!

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Put Jamal back in at the 2 in place of Marvin.

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Josh has 4 assists. Felt Like more.

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wow joe and jamal smiling touching on each other

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It was called. Marvin out, Jamal in.

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Jamal in for Marvin!

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I would really like to see LD give Teague extend mins tonight. Especially while the Nets have their regular rotation guys in there. He need the playing time…

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The Highlight Factory!

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Jason Collins playing some serious defence!

Play this guy more against big centers!

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Jason Collins is a new man this year. Can’t say anything bad about his effort.

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scrappy Hawks.

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And some Hawks ‘fans’ says trade Josh Smith?

For who?

Lebrat?

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LD should leave Collins in for more minutes. Reward him for great effort.

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I laugh to hard at the idiots who wanted to trade the heart and soul of the team in Smoove.

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J.J.M

yea.. he is ..

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Please don’t bring Mo back in.

And take Zaza out!

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Zaza’s jumpshot = brick
Zaza’s post move = block

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ill bring josh back in at the 7 min mark

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mo evans needs to be traded

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Great game by Smith and Horford and Jamal.

But I still think this game is a little too close. They’re one 8 – 0 run from getting back into this game. Hopefully we can make a few shots early, and put this game away.

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Bring back the starters!

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Blast,

As much as I like his game, I’m not ready to crown Horford yet. His rebounding is down from last year.

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For the 3rd straight game, the Hawks have shown a commitment to boxing out on their rebounds, and are outrebounding another opponent (even if just slightly). I really, really hope that continues.

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Don’t agree with Al coming out now with 5 fouls. Let him play until he fouls out!

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omggg marvin at least make free throws

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josh is going to get some puccy tonight

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i left but wow looks like smoove came to play tonight..

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Rod,

I’m with you on Marvin. SF is one of the easiest positions to fill in the league. But yet, Rick gave Marvin a 5 year $37.5 mil deal without seeing what the market says?

If Marvin was a FA right now (or even last season), he would be lucky if he got the mid-level.

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With all that said, somehow the Nets are only down by 8. Seems like they get a key shot every time the Hawks could ice the game with a run.

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“But yet, Rick gave Marvin a 5 year $37.5 mil deal without seeing what the market says? ”

This is the most annoying thing about it. The previous year, he refused to extend Smoove, and made Smoove go to the Memphis Grizzlies to set his market value. Whatever anyone may think of Smoove, he is a million times better than Marvin will ever be. Why the hell couldn’t he use the same philosophy with Marvin? After all, Marvin was a RFA, and I have a really hard time seeing how any team would have paid him that much on the open market in the summer of ‘09.

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Najeh..

Horford hasnt put a body on anybody all night boxing out..

they still taking the out jump approach.. but Al doesnt always leave his feet. Collins will box out the refs if he could.. the technique/approach of our usual starting bigs is quite bad.

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Najeh,

Don’t you think that was Gearon pulling Sund’s strings?

I certainly do.

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lol what was bibby trying to do

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Horford has been stuck on 6 rebounds forever.

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Is it me or does Pape Sy wear the same black suit every other night? Did he only bring one suit from France? I know the Euro is worth way more than a dollar, but come on now, lol.

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As good as the Hawks play, they only lead by 5….

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lmao@ramon

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Really surprising that the game is this close despite the Hawks playing well all around. Shooting 50% from the line hasn’t helped.

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Sautee,

One of the reasons Collins did not get much PT from Woody last year is because he was 40 pounds heavier, and did not get in shape during the entire season.

Hawks letting the Nets hang around, but I think we’ll pull it. 4-1 without JJ.

Anthony Morrow played at GT, right in our backyard, but the Hawks didnt see anything in him to offer him a contract? The guy was undrafted.

When will the Hawks find a diamond in the rough? Maybe Pape Sy will be the diamond.

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Mo Evans

is

garbage.

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I want to see Josh get a career high in points

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Najeh, Dirk. sorry, lol.

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Smart move by LD to have Josh guard Lopez.

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@ Rethink, nope.

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Brook is a skilled sob. he got past Josh on that last baseline drive..

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Quick question…

Would the Hawks even be “competitive” without JJ with Woody at the helm?

This is a question directed more at Samuel – where’s he at?

When you’re offense features JJ going exclusively one on one, and JJ is injured, what would the Hawks do?

This is why…

LD > Woody

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lmaooo was that fan sleep

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And Horford gets his 20-10 night.

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Hawks taking care of business….just what I like to see

shouldn’t have dropped the first one to these bums

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i think the Hawks are having fun right now..

Joe needs to take heed and fall in line..

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The true test w/o JJ will be how we play on the road in December.

At san antonio, at OKC, at Milwaukee, at New Orleans…Will we continue to compete? That is the question.

Good win tonight. And I like what I’ve seen from LD. My biggest complaint about him so far, is his 2 foul rule for Al.

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The ‘dreaming deal of the day’

Hawks get:
Johnny Flynn
Darko

T’Wolves get
Teague
Zaza
First round pick

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My biggest complaint for LD right now is the ISO Jamal at the end of the fourth quarter, instead of pick and roll or high post game with Josh and Al.

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Yeah I like this big lineup.

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good win.. enough of zaza , mo, and marvin smh

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Why is jc2 in street clothes

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Ramon,

I really like that trade. Flynn is a baller. Not sure if Minny would trade their starting PG for two backups….

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I think Collins should start against the Spurs and TD. Horford has a hard time slowing Timmy down.

I would not start Marvin at SG though. I would go Bibby/Evans/Josh/Al/Twin.

Ramon,

ZaZa has 2 years, $10 mil left. Darko has 3 years, $15 mil. I would not give Minny a first round pick.

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Eyebrows are gonna start to raise about Joe’s importance after we beat the Spurs at their place.

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MC did not post the game recap. Some guy named Ken Sugiura wrote the recap. MC must have had a relapse of the stomach bug.

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Isn’t it exciting seeing us in the final mins of gms, and successfully using our motion OFF to get one open scoring opportunity after another?
Isn’t it also exciting to have a HC that’s not gutless, and is willing to use his bench extensively?

LDrew used 11 players last night in a very tight gm against Orlando, and followed that up by using the entire 12 man roster tonight on the back end of a back to back. Woodson actually used a 6 man rotation on the front end of a back to back with Cleveland.

I guess any bench will stink if the HC refuses to use it properly. Now we see why the Hawks were so willing to resign JCollins after he lost all of that weight. I also think we’re going to learn to like the contributions of EThomas, just like we’ve started to like the contributions of JPowell and JCollins.

Did you see how AJohnson sent double teams at JaCrawford in the 2nd half whenever he got the ball? And did you see how we moved the ball and created easy scoring opportunities off those double teams? We’re slowly turning into a very efficient and effective half court team, and relying less on running fast breaks.

I’m already beginning to see this yrs team developing into a much better prepared and competitive playoff team than in the past.

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With the Hawks doing well with Joe Johnson out of the lineup, do you think it is a good idea to have Josh Smith play small forward, Al Horford at power forward, Collins at centre, Joe Johnson at 2 guard and bring Marvin off the bench? It is a big line up with matchups in the hawks favour some nights and Marvin may play better coming off the bench. It will give the hawks second a unit a boost also. Maybe Marvin will be more aggressive offensively. When Larry Drew has the whole second unit out there it’s obvious Jamal Crawford will do the majority of the scoring, but with Marvin out there it may help.

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By the way. I thought Avery Johnson was “ALL THAT”.

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do you think it is a good idea to have Josh Smith play small forward, Al Horford at power forward,

Its really a stupid ideal now you have josh out of ;place who is better than horford and you lose the defense at the Power forward position. NO, dumb move. Thats why the hawks have taken significant steps backwards

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The Atlanta Hawks are tied for the Eastern Conference’s 3rd best record, and the NBA’s 7th best record. We also have the same number of wins as the Lakers, 15. Calling that average indicates a below average IQ.

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Ramon,

Who would’ve believed Darko would be doing what he’s doing in MN. Props to the kid for sticking with it and finding a home.

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