Orlando–Ugly? Yes. Worthless? Depends on your perspective, I guess.
–”It was a bad basketball game and we played worse than they did,” Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said.
– You would think this kind of game would favor the Magic, who are the grinders to Atlanta’s runners. “It’s encouraging to see see guys stick with it and keep defending and keep rebounding,” Al said. “It was ugly but we’ll take it.”
– No use in the Hawks pretending was a normal December W.
– “I ain’t even going to lie to you,” Smoove said. “After losing in the playoffs by like an average of 30 points and playing good enough to win last time but coming up short, we was just determined to get a win here.”
– “Mentally this was a big boost for our guys,” L.D. said. “We’ve come up empty-handed here for a very long time. Last time we were close and we again came up empty-handed.”
– “It’s really big for us,” Bibby said.
– “It’s a good feeling,” Al said. “We’ve struggled against them in the past. We really fully committed to coach’s game plan.”
– A big part of that plan includes not scrambling the entire defense in an effort to slow down Dwight. Twin held his own and even had Dwight doing some of his whining to the refs.
- “Awesome,” L.D. said. “I thought [Collins] did a great job. We know what he’s about. He can play Dwight straight up. Dwight is going to score, we know that, but we wanted to make him earn it. It took us out of the double teams.”
– Zaza also did a respectable job. Etan, not so much. Josh Powell even got a turn on Dwight and actually did OK.
– With Dwight pretty much in check without the need for doubles, the Hawks didn’t allow as much space “We did a good job of running them off the 3-point line and made the inside shots for Dwight harder,” Bibby said.
– You can say the Magic missed some open shots, which they did. But the same thing happened the last time they played Atlanta, too, so perhaps the Hawks at least figured out a blueprint they can believe in.
– No doubt the Hawks benefited from Jameer’s (ill) absence (and maybe the sickly Magic players, too). Keep this up and soon there are going to be more questions about whether they benefit from J.J.’s absence, too (or at least the version of J.J. we’d seen this season).
– They are 3-1 without him, the one loss a close one at Miami. “We try to distribute to the hot hand,” L.D. said. “We look for any matchup in our favor. We try to get more people included. We become a little less predictable.”
– Really, the iso late show has just shifted to Jamal. For the second straight game that was a mixed bag down the stretch. The Hawks led by five and were ready to pull away when he tried to force a runner in the lane that led to a turnover and Redick’s and-1.
– That’s when the Hawks turned to a better option: Josh jacking up jumpers. Seriously, what were the odds that the Hawks would win with Josh busting out a crossover, fadeway J in crunch time?
– Or that Powell, hardly explosive around the rim, would miss a point blank shot, somehow collect the rebound while surrounding by three Magic defenders including Dwight, and then draw a foul?
– The next big play of that stretch was much more probable: Bibby burying a 3-pointer. He made another one after VC blew by Josh for a couple layups. “Everybody hung in there,” he said. “Sometimes we get discouraged [when they don't make shots] but tonight we didn’t get discouraged.
– Bibby is quietly having a very good season which, considering his usual distaste for interviews, is probably the way he likes it. “He’s really played at a very, very high level,” L.D. said.
– Bibby played 21 minutes after halftime. “I asked him how he was feeling and he said he was fine,” Drew said. “In most situations I wouldn’t play him that much but I saw this as an opportunity to get the win. I decided to keep him out there and he came through.”
– Marvin started 0 for 5 from the field and all of those misses were ugly. He never did attack the basket. Marvin limped off just before halftime but started the second half.
– But wasn’t the only guy who couldn’t find his shot and wouldn’t go to the basket. Josh and Al were 16 of 31, everyone else 17 of 54. And you know the Hawks aren’t being aggressive when Bibby leads them with three free-throw attempts.
– Al sometimes seemed to eager to go at Rashard Lewis. Three of his four turnovers came as a result of trying to set up Lewis, who swiped at the ball.
– DNP-CD for Teague.
– The Magic weren’t exactly giving the Hawks much credit. “Even at 80 to 74, it wasn’t even a real hard-fought game,” Van Gundy said. “It was just a bad game and we were worse than they were.”
–”Atlanta is a pretty good team and guys were trying to get back into game shape playing,” Dwight said. “And the rest of guys were playing two tough games on the road and short-handed. I think a lot of guys are exhausted. It was a tough game to lose. It gave Atlanta a little confidence. But we’ll be sure to erase that next time.”
MC
339 comments Add your comment
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:30 pm
Wabe, the Hawks were competitive four seasons ago without Joe for a stretch. It was the last season that the Hawks didn’t make the playoffs. If the Hawks had Horford and Bibby that season, they would’ve been just as affective as they are now. Horford and Bibby > Sheldon and Lue.
Wabe
December 7th, 2010
9:30 pm
And Horford gets his 20-10 night.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:30 pm
Standing O for Josh at our house.
YoDaddy
December 7th, 2010
9:31 pm
Hawks taking care of business….just what I like to see
shouldn’t have dropped the first one to these bums
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:31 pm
Lol, watch MC come and point out more negatives than positives about this game in the wrap up. (that’s if this message makes it through the blog monster) lol.
bigdave
December 7th, 2010
9:31 pm
i think the Hawks are having fun right now..
Joe needs to take heed and fall in line..
Melvin
December 7th, 2010
9:32 pm
Nice win by the Hawks…
O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
9:34 pm
The true test w/o JJ will be how we play on the road in December.
At san antonio, at OKC, at Milwaukee, at New Orleans…Will we continue to compete? That is the question.
Good win tonight. And I like what I’ve seen from LD. My biggest complaint about him so far, is his 2 foul rule for Al.
RethinkPossible
December 7th, 2010
9:35 pm
Anyone else think the AJC could use a better blog poster experience? Maybe like a option to have our own accounts/profile where people could vote on how knowledgeable a poster is, where posters could have their own page? It would be easy to do via Facebook’s API. Come on AJC, this website is so 2000 late….
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:37 pm
The ‘dreaming deal of the day’
Hawks get:
Johnny Flynn
Darko
T’Wolves get
Teague
Zaza
First round pick
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 7th, 2010
9:38 pm
Collins against the Spurs too…….
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:38 pm
My biggest complaint for LD right now is the ISO Jamal at the end of the fourth quarter, instead of pick and roll or high post game with Josh and Al.
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:38 pm
Mac-town, Collins has to start against SAS.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 7th, 2010
9:40 pm
Yeah I like this big lineup.
Jody
December 7th, 2010
9:40 pm
Those who think Josh and Al can’t excel at the 3 and 4 spots are nuts. Look at what they did tonight.
cp
December 7th, 2010
9:43 pm
good win.. enough of zaza , mo, and marvin smh
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 7th, 2010
9:48 pm
I guess that win against the Magic felt so good that MC decided to not post one for the Nets game so that Hawks-Magic blog entry could be the first thing that appears when you come to the site. Silly Rascal.
rusty
December 7th, 2010
9:49 pm
Why is jc2 in street clothes
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:54 pm
60% shooting as a team in this game. That is amazing.
Melvin
December 7th, 2010
10:12 pm
Ramon,
I really like that trade. Flynn is a baller. Not sure if Minny would trade their starting PG for two backups….
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
10:14 pm
Melvin, this would open up Minny to bring over Rubio, who has said he will not accept any deal at the end of the year, if Flynn is there.
O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
10:21 pm
I think Collins should start against the Spurs and TD. Horford has a hard time slowing Timmy down.
I would not start Marvin at SG though. I would go Bibby/Evans/Josh/Al/Twin.
Ramon,
ZaZa has 2 years, $10 mil left. Darko has 3 years, $15 mil. I would not give Minny a first round pick.
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
10:24 pm
O’Brien, you wouldn’t do that for Flynn to be the PG of future? Also Darko is leading the league in blocking (hard to believe even for me). But if the deal could be done without the pick, I’d be all for it of course, lol.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 7th, 2010
10:26 pm
Eyebrows are gonna start to raise about Joe’s importance after we beat the Spurs at their place.
Worldwide Clyde
December 7th, 2010
10:53 pm
Where my boy Samuel at wit that Woody = COY? If Joe would have went out for 4-6 weeks with Woody coaching he wouldn’t know what to do. Good job Larry Drew for switching the lineup.
2 years ago we should have Fired Woody, let Marvin and Zaza go, and resigned Solomon Jones and Flip Murray. This year we should have let Joe walk and resigned Jamal. Jamal wants to be here and Joe doesn’t.
Show out to the AJC for banning my IP address. There are plenty of computers I can post from.
FREE CLYDE
Rev in Tampa
December 7th, 2010
10:55 pm
MC did not post the game recap. Some guy named Ken Sugiura wrote the recap. MC must have had a relapse of the stomach bug.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 7th, 2010
11:48 pm
That Ken guy was the person doing the ajc Hawks blogs right before MC I believe.
Ken Strickland
December 8th, 2010
12:07 am
Isn’t it exciting seeing us in the final mins of gms, and successfully using our motion OFF to get one open scoring opportunity after another?
Isn’t it also exciting to have a HC that’s not gutless, and is willing to use his bench extensively?
LDrew used 11 players last night in a very tight gm against Orlando, and followed that up by using the entire 12 man roster tonight on the back end of a back to back. Woodson actually used a 6 man rotation on the front end of a back to back with Cleveland.
I guess any bench will stink if the HC refuses to use it properly. Now we see why the Hawks were so willing to resign JCollins after he lost all of that weight. I also think we’re going to learn to like the contributions of EThomas, just like we’ve started to like the contributions of JPowell and JCollins.
Did you see how AJohnson sent double teams at JaCrawford in the 2nd half whenever he got the ball? And did you see how we moved the ball and created easy scoring opportunities off those double teams? We’re slowly turning into a very efficient and effective half court team, and relying less on running fast breaks.
I’m already beginning to see this yrs team developing into a much better prepared and competitive playoff team than in the past.
Buddy Grizzard
December 8th, 2010
9:16 am
Larry Drew should have benched Josh Smith in the 4th quarter like he did Al Horford against Miami:
http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/hawks-fail-to-embrace-undervalued-horford/
That’s called going with the hot hand.
Adrian Benjamin
December 8th, 2010
6:32 pm
With the Hawks doing well with Joe Johnson out of the lineup, do you think it is a good idea to have Josh Smith play small forward, Al Horford at power forward, Collins at centre, Joe Johnson at 2 guard and bring Marvin off the bench? It is a big line up with matchups in the hawks favour some nights and Marvin may play better coming off the bench. It will give the hawks second a unit a boost also. Maybe Marvin will be more aggressive offensively. When Larry Drew has the whole second unit out there it’s obvious Jamal Crawford will do the majority of the scoring, but with Marvin out there it may help.
Samuel
December 8th, 2010
8:52 pm
We just beat the last place team and a team with the SH_TS”. I’m not ready to hand the OB Trophy over yet. I do like the way the guys are playing though.
Samuel
December 8th, 2010
8:53 pm
By the way. I thought Avery Johnson was “ALL THAT”.
Brook Lopez
December 8th, 2010
9:13 pm
58 pts in 2 games against your bitcchhes
Brook Lopez
December 8th, 2010
9:15 pm
do you think it is a good idea to have Josh Smith play small forward, Al Horford at power forward,
Its really a stupid ideal now you have josh out of ;place who is better than horford and you lose the defense at the Power forward position. NO, dumb move. Thats why the hawks have taken significant steps backwards
Brook Lopez
December 8th, 2010
9:18 pm
Isn’t it exciting seeing us in the final mins of gms,
You gotta be kidding. Last years hawks would have swept this team. Hawk are a cut above average and they suck.
I rooting for the lakers now…. how about you?
Ken Strickland
December 8th, 2010
11:56 pm
The Atlanta Hawks are tied for the Eastern Conference’s 3rd best record, and the NBA’s 7th best record. We also have the same number of wins as the Lakers, 15. Calling that average indicates a below average IQ.
Fundamentals
December 9th, 2010
9:36 pm
O’Brien, won’t Duncan be at PF this time with Splitter at C?
Fundamentals
December 9th, 2010
9:38 pm
Ramon,
Who would’ve believed Darko would be doing what he’s doing in MN. Props to the kid for sticking with it and finding a home.
justin' case
December 10th, 2010
9:32 am
wonder if other cities have a problem with keepin’ a NEW blog posted that corresponds with the MOST recent game? is it that hard to keep up? just put a few paragraphs and we will do the rest…