Orlando–Ugly? Yes. Worthless? Depends on your perspective, I guess.
–”It was a bad basketball game and we played worse than they did,” Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said.
– You would think this kind of game would favor the Magic, who are the grinders to Atlanta’s runners. “It’s encouraging to see see guys stick with it and keep defending and keep rebounding,” Al said. “It was ugly but we’ll take it.”
– No use in the Hawks pretending was a normal December W.
– “I ain’t even going to lie to you,” Smoove said. “After losing in the playoffs by like an average of 30 points and playing good enough to win last time but coming up short, we was just determined to get a win here.”
– “Mentally this was a big boost for our guys,” L.D. said. “We’ve come up empty-handed here for a very long time. Last time we were close and we again came up empty-handed.”
– “It’s really big for us,” Bibby said.
– “It’s a good feeling,” Al said. “We’ve struggled against them in the past. We really fully committed to coach’s game plan.”
– A big part of that plan includes not scrambling the entire defense in an effort to slow down Dwight. Twin held his own and even had Dwight doing some of his whining to the refs.
- “Awesome,” L.D. said. “I thought [Collins] did a great job. We know what he’s about. He can play Dwight straight up. Dwight is going to score, we know that, but we wanted to make him earn it. It took us out of the double teams.”
– Zaza also did a respectable job. Etan, not so much. Josh Powell even got a turn on Dwight and actually did OK.
– With Dwight pretty much in check without the need for doubles, the Hawks didn’t allow as much space “We did a good job of running them off the 3-point line and made the inside shots for Dwight harder,” Bibby said.
– You can say the Magic missed some open shots, which they did. But the same thing happened the last time they played Atlanta, too, so perhaps the Hawks at least figured out a blueprint they can believe in.
– No doubt the Hawks benefited from Jameer’s (ill) absence (and maybe the sickly Magic players, too). Keep this up and soon there are going to be more questions about whether they benefit from J.J.’s absence, too (or at least the version of J.J. we’d seen this season).
– They are 3-1 without him, the one loss a close one at Miami. “We try to distribute to the hot hand,” L.D. said. “We look for any matchup in our favor. We try to get more people included. We become a little less predictable.”
– Really, the iso late show has just shifted to Jamal. For the second straight game that was a mixed bag down the stretch. The Hawks led by five and were ready to pull away when he tried to force a runner in the lane that led to a turnover and Redick’s and-1.
– That’s when the Hawks turned to a better option: Josh jacking up jumpers. Seriously, what were the odds that the Hawks would win with Josh busting out a crossover, fadeway J in crunch time?
– Or that Powell, hardly explosive around the rim, would miss a point blank shot, somehow collect the rebound while surrounding by three Magic defenders including Dwight, and then draw a foul?
– The next big play of that stretch was much more probable: Bibby burying a 3-pointer. He made another one after VC blew by Josh for a couple layups. “Everybody hung in there,” he said. “Sometimes we get discouraged [when they don't make shots] but tonight we didn’t get discouraged.
– Bibby is quietly having a very good season which, considering his usual distaste for interviews, is probably the way he likes it. “He’s really played at a very, very high level,” L.D. said.
– Bibby played 21 minutes after halftime. “I asked him how he was feeling and he said he was fine,” Drew said. “In most situations I wouldn’t play him that much but I saw this as an opportunity to get the win. I decided to keep him out there and he came through.”
– Marvin started 0 for 5 from the field and all of those misses were ugly. He never did attack the basket. Marvin limped off just before halftime but started the second half.
– But wasn’t the only guy who couldn’t find his shot and wouldn’t go to the basket. Josh and Al were 16 of 31, everyone else 17 of 54. And you know the Hawks aren’t being aggressive when Bibby leads them with three free-throw attempts.
– Al sometimes seemed to eager to go at Rashard Lewis. Three of his four turnovers came as a result of trying to set up Lewis, who swiped at the ball.
– DNP-CD for Teague.
– The Magic weren’t exactly giving the Hawks much credit. “Even at 80 to 74, it wasn’t even a real hard-fought game,” Van Gundy said. “It was just a bad game and we were worse than they were.”
–”Atlanta is a pretty good team and guys were trying to get back into game shape playing,” Dwight said. “And the rest of guys were playing two tough games on the road and short-handed. I think a lot of guys are exhausted. It was a tough game to lose. It gave Atlanta a little confidence. But we’ll be sure to erase that next time.”
MC
339 comments Add your comment
Melvin
December 7th, 2010
9:02 pm
Josh really got it going tonight…
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:02 pm
For the 3rd straight game, the Hawks have shown a commitment to boxing out on their rebounds, and are outrebounding another opponent (even if just slightly). I really, really hope that continues.
Melvin
December 7th, 2010
9:03 pm
Mo dont look healthy at all…
Blast
December 7th, 2010
9:03 pm
Don’t agree with Al coming out now with 5 fouls. Let him play until he fouls out!
bigdave
December 7th, 2010
9:04 pm
should have kicked it out to Mike for the 3..
J.J.M.
December 7th, 2010
9:04 pm
omggg marvin at least make free throws
Melvin
December 7th, 2010
9:04 pm
Najeh,
I think the big lineup has a lot to do with the rebounding…
J.J.M.
December 7th, 2010
9:05 pm
josh is going to get some puccy tonight
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:05 pm
Collins is getting better game by game. His defense in this game has been outstanding. I’m not going to say he should be an every day starter, but against big centers against whom Horford would struggle, definitely.
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 7th, 2010
9:05 pm
i left but wow looks like smoove came to play tonight..
{MAC-Town Georgia 478}
December 7th, 2010
9:06 pm
yea great to see collins puttin in work on these bigs
O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
9:06 pm
Rod,
I’m with you on Marvin. SF is one of the easiest positions to fill in the league. But yet, Rick gave Marvin a 5 year $37.5 mil deal without seeing what the market says?
If Marvin was a FA right now (or even last season), he would be lucky if he got the mid-level.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:07 pm
“I think the big lineup has a lot to do with the rebounding”
To an extent, yeah. But I have been noticing even the bench guys making a more concerted effort to get their body on a guy when shots go up. I think this has as much to do with just making a commitment to playing with good fundamentals (credit the coaching staff) as it does the lineup change.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:07 pm
With all that said, somehow the Nets are only down by 8. Seems like they get a key shot every time the Hawks could ice the game with a run.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:09 pm
Mo was playing like he’s baked.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:09 pm
“But yet, Rick gave Marvin a 5 year $37.5 mil deal without seeing what the market says? ”
This is the most annoying thing about it. The previous year, he refused to extend Smoove, and made Smoove go to the Memphis Grizzlies to set his market value. Whatever anyone may think of Smoove, he is a million times better than Marvin will ever be. Why the hell couldn’t he use the same philosophy with Marvin? After all, Marvin was a RFA, and I have a really hard time seeing how any team would have paid him that much on the open market in the summer of ‘09.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:10 pm
Anybody here think Woody would have used the backup centers (other than Zaza) this much?
bigdave
December 7th, 2010
9:11 pm
Najeh..
Horford hasnt put a body on anybody all night boxing out..
they still taking the out jump approach.. but Al doesnt always leave his feet. Collins will box out the refs if he could.. the technique/approach of our usual starting bigs is quite bad.
stizz
December 7th, 2010
9:11 pm
If the hawks have to make a roster move when Joe returns, I’d gladly prefer Damien over Mo.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:12 pm
Najeh,
Don’t you think that was Gearon pulling Sund’s strings?
I certainly do.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:14 pm
bigdave,
That might be a kind spin.
J.J.M.
December 7th, 2010
9:14 pm
lol what was bibby trying to do
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:15 pm
“Don’t you think that was Gearon pulling Sund’s strings?
I certainly do.”
Yeah, you could be right… although I would think the DASG would be all for anything that would allow them to pay less in salary.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:15 pm
Horford has been stuck on 6 rebounds forever.
J.J.M.
December 7th, 2010
9:16 pm
how you complain about that avery
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:18 pm
Is it me or does Pape Sy wear the same black suit every other night? Did he only bring one suit from France? I know the Euro is worth way more than a dollar, but come on now, lol.
O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
9:18 pm
Najeh,
Also, how many teams were looking for a starting SF that year? And who would have had the salary cap space to give Marvin $7.5 mil?
Melvin
December 7th, 2010
9:20 pm
As good as the Hawks play, they only lead by 5….
Melvin
December 7th, 2010
9:21 pm
Big Al with the step back jumper….
J.J.M.
December 7th, 2010
9:21 pm
lmao@ramon
RethinkPossible
December 7th, 2010
9:21 pm
What a move by Al!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:21 pm
Really surprising that the game is this close despite the Hawks playing well all around. Shooting 50% from the line hasn’t helped.
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:21 pm
O’Brien, the only teams looking for SF that season were LAL and Houston, and they traded SF’s. There’s no way you offer Marvin more than Chill’s value though.
O'Brien
December 7th, 2010
9:22 pm
Sautee,
One of the reasons Collins did not get much PT from Woody last year is because he was 40 pounds heavier, and did not get in shape during the entire season.
Hawks letting the Nets hang around, but I think we’ll pull it. 4-1 without JJ.
Anthony Morrow played at GT, right in our backyard, but the Hawks didnt see anything in him to offer him a contract? The guy was undrafted.
When will the Hawks find a diamond in the rough? Maybe Pape Sy will be the diamond.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:22 pm
Horford has 5 fouls. We need Etan off the bench instead of Marvin. Lopez will foul Al out.
Wabe
December 7th, 2010
9:22 pm
Mo Evans
is
garbage.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:22 pm
Is there a better mid range shooter than Al right now in the NBA? That’s a serious question — I can’t think of anyone off the top of my head who is decisively better.
J.J.M.
December 7th, 2010
9:22 pm
I want to see Josh get a career high in points
Wabe
December 7th, 2010
9:22 pm
That’s not just an indictment based on tonight.
I really don’t like anything about this guys game.
I was hoping they’d get rid of him…
Him and Zaza are guys I want the Hawks to cut ties with at this point.
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:23 pm
Najeh, Dirk. sorry, lol.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:23 pm
O’B,
great point. I was thinking more about how little Joe Smith played in many games like this.
Sautee
December 7th, 2010
9:24 pm
Smart move by LD to have Josh guard Lopez.
RethinkPossible
December 7th, 2010
9:26 pm
Does anyone else miss Ronald “Flip” Murray?
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:26 pm
@ Rethink, nope.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 7th, 2010
9:27 pm
“Najeh, Dirk. sorry, lol.”
Haha good point.
Horford’s gotta be top 5, though, at least so far this season.
I really hope the offense continues to flow through Smoove and Al even after Joe gets back. I realize they are not going to be this hot every game, against good teams especially, but both are above average passers for their position and getting them the ball more often than not results in something good.
bigdave
December 7th, 2010
9:27 pm
Brook is a skilled sob. he got past Josh on that last baseline drive..
bigdave
December 7th, 2010
9:27 pm
look @ the bigs just jumping..
Wabe
December 7th, 2010
9:27 pm
Quick question…
Would the Hawks even be “competitive” without JJ with Woody at the helm?
This is a question directed more at Samuel – where’s he at?
When you’re offense features JJ going exclusively one on one, and JJ is injured, what would the Hawks do?
This is why…
LD > Woody
Ramon
December 7th, 2010
9:28 pm
Najeh he is. I only can think of Dirk, Duncan, Gasol, and possibly KG, only because those four have done it in the clutch (playoffs) consistently.
J.J.M.
December 7th, 2010
9:28 pm
lmaooo was that fan sleep