Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 80, Magic 74

Orlando–Ugly? Yes. Worthless? Depends on your perspective, I guess.

–”It was a bad basketball game and we played worse than they did,” Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said.

– You would think this kind of game would favor the Magic, who are the grinders to Atlanta’s runners. “It’s encouraging to see see guys stick with it and keep defending and keep rebounding,” Al said. “It was ugly but we’ll take it.”

– No use in the Hawks pretending was a normal December W.

– “I ain’t even going to lie to you,” Smoove said. “After losing in the playoffs by like an average of 30 points and playing good enough to win last time but coming up short, we was just determined to get a win here.”

– “Mentally this was a big boost for our guys,” L.D. said. “We’ve come up empty-handed here for a very long time. Last time we were close and we again came up empty-handed.”

– “It’s really big for us,” Bibby said.

– “It’s a good feeling,” Al said. “We’ve struggled against them in the past. We really fully committed to coach’s game plan.”

– A big part of that plan includes not scrambling the entire defense in an effort to slow down Dwight. Twin held his own and even had Dwight doing some of his whining to the refs.

- “Awesome,” L.D. said. “I thought [Collins] did a great job. We know what he’s about. He can play Dwight straight up. Dwight is going to score, we know that, but we wanted to make him earn it. It took us out of the double teams.”

Zaza also did a respectable job. Etan, not so much. Josh Powell even got a turn on Dwight and actually did OK.

– With Dwight pretty much in check without the need for doubles, the Hawks didn’t allow as much space “We did a good job of running them off the 3-point line and made the inside shots for Dwight harder,” Bibby said.

– You can say the Magic missed some open shots, which they did. But the same thing happened the last time they played Atlanta, too, so perhaps the Hawks at least figured out a blueprint they can believe in.

– No doubt the Hawks benefited from Jameer’s (ill) absence (and maybe the sickly Magic players, too). Keep this up and soon there are going to be more questions about whether they benefit from J.J.’s absence, too (or at least the version of J.J. we’d seen this season).

– They are 3-1 without him, the one loss a close one at Miami. “We try to distribute to the hot hand,” L.D. said. “We look for any matchup in our favor. We try to get more people included. We become a little less predictable.”

– Really, the iso late show has just shifted to Jamal. For the second straight game that was a mixed bag down the stretch. The Hawks led by five and were ready to pull away when he tried to force a runner in the lane that led to a turnover and Redick’s and-1.

– That’s when the Hawks turned to a better option: Josh jacking up jumpers. Seriously, what were the odds that the Hawks would win with Josh busting out a crossover, fadeway J in crunch time?

– Or that Powell, hardly explosive around the rim, would miss a point blank shot, somehow collect the rebound while surrounding by three Magic defenders including Dwight, and then draw a foul?

– The next big play of that stretch was much more probable: Bibby burying a 3-pointer. He made another one after VC blew by Josh for a couple layups. “Everybody hung in there,” he said. “Sometimes we get discouraged [when they don't make shots] but tonight we didn’t get discouraged.

– Bibby is quietly having a very good season which, considering his usual distaste for interviews, is probably the way he likes it. “He’s really played at a very, very high level,” L.D. said.

– Bibby played 21 minutes after halftime. “I asked him how he was feeling and he said he was fine,” Drew said. “In most situations I wouldn’t play him that much but I saw this as an opportunity to get the win. I decided to keep him out there and he came through.”

– Marvin started 0 for 5 from the field and all of those misses were ugly. He never did attack the basket. Marvin limped off just before halftime but started the second half.

– But wasn’t the only guy who couldn’t find his shot and wouldn’t go to the basket. Josh and Al were 16 of 31, everyone else 17 of 54. And you know the Hawks aren’t being aggressive when Bibby leads them with three free-throw attempts.

– Al sometimes seemed to eager to go at Rashard Lewis. Three of his four turnovers came as a result of trying to set up Lewis, who swiped at the ball.

– DNP-CD for Teague.

– The Magic weren’t exactly giving the Hawks much credit. “Even at 80 to 74, it wasn’t even a real hard-fought game,” Van Gundy said. “It was just a bad game and we were worse than they were.”

–”Atlanta is a pretty good team and guys were trying to get back into game shape playing,” Dwight said. “And the rest of guys were playing two tough games on the road and short-handed. I think a lot of guys are exhausted. It was a tough game to lose. It gave Atlanta a little confidence. But we’ll be sure to erase that next time.”

MC

339 comments Add your comment

JeJe

December 7th, 2010
5:28 pm

Rod,

People need to realize, as you have pointed out, that MARVIN DOES NOT WANT TO BE A STAR IN THIS LEAGUE. He is perfectly fine with being mediocre (yes, 2 points in 21 minutes is pathetic. No, it wasn’t Ron Artest, Matt Barnes, or Battier guarding him either).

I mean, you got people like Acie Law and Teague, both pretty bad players, who actually HAVE TRIED AND WORKED HARD OVER THE SUMMER to improve their games, only to be outdone by better players.

MARVIN SPENDS HIS SUMMERS AT UNC PURSUING AN AFRICAN STUDIES DEGREE AND WORKING OUT WITH SEAN MAY.

He is the WORST starting SF in the NBA. Yes, I sometimes am a bit tough on Bibby (mostly because I wish we had a quick strong PG like Deron or Rose), but there are no excuses for Marvin.

EVERY TIME this team loses and people throw the word “Accountability” around, what do they mean.

Marvin hasn’t been held accountable for ANYTHING in his career. He has STARTED EVERY GAME HE HAS BEEN HEALTHY ENOUGH TO PLAY. HE NEVER COMES OFF THE BENCH.

There are probably 4 players on our bench alone BETTER and MORE fit to start than him

STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIM. THE GUY IS IN HIS 6TH YEAR, AND IS 6″9. HE SHOULD NOT BE THIS BAD

JeJe

December 7th, 2010
5:29 pm

*WHAT DO THEY MEAN?

JeJe

December 7th, 2010
5:31 pm

BENCH MARVIN.

HE DOESN’T CARE

HE HAS NO HEART. I WISH HE HAD MISSED THAT DAMN GW’ER FOR UNC SO WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED CHRIS PAUL OR DERON. OR IF BILLY KNIGHT WANTED ANOTHER WING, WE COULD’VE GOTTEN DANNY F’ING GRANGER

JeJe

December 7th, 2010
5:33 pm

WE COULD’VE TRADED MARVIN AND BIBBY FOR MONTA ELLIS OR MARVIN FOR SHAQ

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO MARVIN FOR MO WILLIAMS STRAIGHT UP IF U CAN

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2010
5:54 pm

Jeje,

Agreed. What kills me all the hate for Josh, Bibby, and Jamal sometimes on this blog, but these same people never want to bash Marvin. All the other guys on our team step up more times than they play poorly. Marvin hardly ever steps up, and Atlanta fans make excuses for him. He is the waekest link.

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
6:43 pm

LD says he’s not worried about stepping on toes w/ his lineups … Woodson wouldve never said anything like that.. well, mostly b/c he never changed his..

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
6:43 pm

Najeh said this morning that ESPN has no love for the Hawks. I have further proof of this. Check out the NBA Eastern Conference Standings. They have Chicago (11-8) ahead of the Hawks (14-8). Let I be misunderstood, I did not say Power Rankings; I said STANDINGS.

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings?group=2

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
6:44 pm

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
6:48 pm

Now that I am thinking about; I am wondering whether this is that crazy rule that we debated all summer about the division leaders being ahead of the third place team in their division (regardless of record) because Chicago is in first place in the central.

Sautee

December 7th, 2010
6:58 pm

Rod,

Good post at 3:44. Well said.

As much of a Horford fan as I am, he still needs a go to move AND a left hand counter move. His jump hook has improved but it’s not yet a go to move.

I suggested to Najeh a couple of days ago that Josh and Al need to play one-on-one every day with Al playing left handed and Josh playing right.

Imagine the improvement of both!

Rod from College Park

December 7th, 2010
7:08 pm

I agree Sautee. Both need a lot of work in the post. I like Horford a lot as well, but if he really works on his post game, he would become a superstar.

dap01

December 7th, 2010
7:11 pm

Damian Wilkens is being interviewed before the Hawks game. He is the type of complimentary player that the Hawks need. He does not need to be short term, he needs to be a long term Hawk.

I hope that Rick Sund is smart enough to recognize that.

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:15 pm

bigdave,

Didn’t you use to start every Hawks game off with a signature statemtent last year? If so, why did you stop?

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
7:15 pm

So far JC3 is playing good D on Lopez.

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:16 pm

Al not boxing out .. if he doesnt… oh boy will out work him.

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
7:17 pm

O well the good D was short lived

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:17 pm

lol.. Melvin, i did.. i dont know actually.. new year i suppose.. then still feeling the guys out.

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:18 pm

“Morrow pushes Marvin to the floor..”

smh

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:19 pm

bigdave,

get back to it. we need a change of luck for the home games…lol

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:19 pm

no boxing out from Al

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:20 pm

LETS GET IT… !

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:20 pm

I’m tired of this Lopez guy already…

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:21 pm

if Josh misses a mid range shot..

Nique: thats were id like to see Josh put the ball on the floor and attack the basket.

if Josh hits a mid range shot..

Nique: Josh getting a (niiiiice) rhythm shot …

lol @ Nique the front runner..

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:21 pm

too much Brook lost us the game in Jersey.. lets see if we can contain him..

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
7:22 pm

Decent energy by the Hawks. They could be playing better, but at least they are not sleepwalking. Two offensive rebounds in one possession is noteworthy.

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:26 pm

Nice move by Al….

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:26 pm

thats what Al wants to do right there..

he could careless about stopping Lopez from going for 50 tonight.. or boxing out.

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
7:26 pm

I am surprised the Hawks keep passing Zaza the ball in traffic. I’m surprised they would still trust him.

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:27 pm

I see ya bigdave…

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
7:27 pm

Horford looked like he was about to spot up for a 3 before he took it inside.

Sautee

December 7th, 2010
7:29 pm

big dave,

If Horford doesn’t box out better than he has, Humphries will get 20 rebounds.

YoDaddy

December 7th, 2010
7:32 pm

Mo Evans shooting airballs..waste of a roster space

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:33 pm

I cant figure out why Lopez gives the Hawks so much trouble. He looks very mechanical..

YoDaddy

December 7th, 2010
7:33 pm

Crawford heating up

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:33 pm

I would love to see Jamal go for 50 tonight..

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
7:34 pm

Crawford has his stroke tonight.

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:35 pm

Nice hustle play by ZaZa on the missed free throw…

J.J.M.

December 7th, 2010
7:35 pm

man I wish we had that center lopez

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:36 pm

Sautee..

maybe even 30

Sautee

December 7th, 2010
7:37 pm

J.J.M.,

You’d want a center that can’t block out on a free throw?

No thanks. That was flat out awful by Lopez.

J.J.M.

December 7th, 2010
7:38 pm

wow you judge him on one play come on now hes a great center be real

Sautee

December 7th, 2010
7:38 pm

bigdave,

LOL, you may be right

Sautee

December 7th, 2010
7:40 pm

J.J.M.

Nope. NOT great, but decent.

7′ tall and averages 6 rebounds? LOL.

J.J.M.

December 7th, 2010
7:40 pm

lol bob “oh it did go off of zaza”

Melvin

December 7th, 2010
7:41 pm

I guess Teague has falling out of the rotation with the edition of Damien… I would prefer Teague to play the backup PG instead of Jamal. Let Jamal play SG. Bench Mo.

J.J.M.

December 7th, 2010
7:41 pm

ill take lopez over marvin any day

J.J.M.

December 7th, 2010
7:42 pm

mo evans is just idk what to say

bigdave

December 7th, 2010
7:43 pm

last game they were getting open looks from 3..

Sautee

December 7th, 2010
7:44 pm

Get Mo outta there. Bad TO on offense and loses his man trying to double on D and gives up a 3. Gotta sit him back down, LD.

Rev in Tampa

December 7th, 2010
7:45 pm

LD needs to get in somebody’s face. Too many wide open 3’s.