Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 80, Magic 74

Orlando–Ugly? Yes. Worthless? Depends on your perspective, I guess.

–”It was a bad basketball game and we played worse than they did,” Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said.

– You would think this kind of game would favor the Magic, who are the grinders to Atlanta’s runners. “It’s encouraging to see see guys stick with it and keep defending and keep rebounding,” Al said. “It was ugly but we’ll take it.”

– No use in the Hawks pretending was a normal December W.

– “I ain’t even going to lie to you,” Smoove said. “After losing in the playoffs by like an average of 30 points and playing good enough to win last time but coming up short, we was just determined to get a win here.”

– “Mentally this was a big boost for our guys,” L.D. said. “We’ve come up empty-handed here for a very long time. Last time we were close and we again came up empty-handed.”

– “It’s really big for us,” Bibby said.

– “It’s a good feeling,” Al said. “We’ve struggled against them in the past. We really fully committed to coach’s game plan.”

– A big part of that plan includes not scrambling the entire defense in an effort to slow down Dwight. Twin held his own and even had Dwight doing some of his whining to the refs.

- “Awesome,” L.D. said. “I thought [Collins] did a great job. We know what he’s about. He can play Dwight straight up. Dwight is going to score, we know that, but we wanted to make him earn it. It took us out of the double teams.”

Zaza also did a respectable job. Etan, not so much. Josh Powell even got a turn on Dwight and actually did OK.

– With Dwight pretty much in check without the need for doubles, the Hawks didn’t allow as much space “We did a good job of running them off the 3-point line and made the inside shots for Dwight harder,” Bibby said.

– You can say the Magic missed some open shots, which they did. But the same thing happened the last time they played Atlanta, too, so perhaps the Hawks at least figured out a blueprint they can believe in.

– No doubt the Hawks benefited from Jameer’s (ill) absence (and maybe the sickly Magic players, too). Keep this up and soon there are going to be more questions about whether they benefit from J.J.’s absence, too (or at least the version of J.J. we’d seen this season).

– They are 3-1 without him, the one loss a close one at Miami. “We try to distribute to the hot hand,” L.D. said. “We look for any matchup in our favor. We try to get more people included. We become a little less predictable.”

– Really, the iso late show has just shifted to Jamal. For the second straight game that was a mixed bag down the stretch. The Hawks led by five and were ready to pull away when he tried to force a runner in the lane that led to a turnover and Redick’s and-1.

– That’s when the Hawks turned to a better option: Josh jacking up jumpers. Seriously, what were the odds that the Hawks would win with Josh busting out a crossover, fadeway J in crunch time?

– Or that Powell, hardly explosive around the rim, would miss a point blank shot, somehow collect the rebound while surrounding by three Magic defenders including Dwight, and then draw a foul?

– The next big play of that stretch was much more probable: Bibby burying a 3-pointer. He made another one after VC blew by Josh for a couple layups. “Everybody hung in there,” he said. “Sometimes we get discouraged [when they don't make shots] but tonight we didn’t get discouraged.

– Bibby is quietly having a very good season which, considering his usual distaste for interviews, is probably the way he likes it. “He’s really played at a very, very high level,” L.D. said.

– Bibby played 21 minutes after halftime. “I asked him how he was feeling and he said he was fine,” Drew said. “In most situations I wouldn’t play him that much but I saw this as an opportunity to get the win. I decided to keep him out there and he came through.”

– Marvin started 0 for 5 from the field and all of those misses were ugly. He never did attack the basket. Marvin limped off just before halftime but started the second half.

– But wasn’t the only guy who couldn’t find his shot and wouldn’t go to the basket. Josh and Al were 16 of 31, everyone else 17 of 54. And you know the Hawks aren’t being aggressive when Bibby leads them with three free-throw attempts.

– Al sometimes seemed to eager to go at Rashard Lewis. Three of his four turnovers came as a result of trying to set up Lewis, who swiped at the ball.

– DNP-CD for Teague.

– The Magic weren’t exactly giving the Hawks much credit. “Even at 80 to 74, it wasn’t even a real hard-fought game,” Van Gundy said. “It was just a bad game and we were worse than they were.”

–”Atlanta is a pretty good team and guys were trying to get back into game shape playing,” Dwight said. “And the rest of guys were playing two tough games on the road and short-handed. I think a lot of guys are exhausted. It was a tough game to lose. It gave Atlanta a little confidence. But we’ll be sure to erase that next time.”

MC

339 comments Add your comment

MistaGamer

December 6th, 2010
11:59 pm

I.MUS WRITE

December 7th, 2010
12:00 am

I see dead people!!!……………….

MistaGamer

December 7th, 2010
12:00 am

I just wanna thank the little people…

Jay

December 7th, 2010
12:00 am

A win is a win, a great win is a great win,

by the way, we could pick up AC Law, as our backup pg, he was cut yesterday LOL

Freshmaker

December 7th, 2010
12:03 am

Nice to see them finally beat the Magic. Seems like the Hawks are starting to build some positive momentum again…

superiorblogman

December 7th, 2010
12:05 am

Wow, these guys are talking like they own Atlanta. The Magic are not that good, they are good but not that good to be talking like that.

kellen

December 7th, 2010
12:21 am

So, the Hawks struggle to beat a flu depleted Orlando Magic team without Jameer Nelson and there’s talk that they are better off without Joe Johnson? Interesting.

beone

December 7th, 2010
12:26 am

Sounds like Dwight is drinking the same kool-aid as LeBron. Too bad these great athletic specimens can’t learn to be a little more gracious. Ego may be their downfall!

beone

December 7th, 2010
12:27 am

Grandad

December 7th, 2010
12:51 am

“Ugly? Yes. Worthless? Depends on your perspective, I guess”

Who made that statement?

Ugly is in the eye of the eye of the loser.
Worthless, who would even think such a thing!

‘Scuse me ladies but Van Gundy is a “peckerhead”.

“Don’t whine, don’t complain, don’t make excuses”
Coach Don Meyer

Case Quarter

December 7th, 2010
12:52 am

Is Jordan Crawford in the D-League or something?

I Believe In This Team

December 7th, 2010
12:54 am

I was wondering the same thing about JC2. He was there in street clothes. What’s up with that?

Anybody can win a pretty game. I love seeing this team win an ugly grinder.

tjhook

December 7th, 2010
12:57 am

Let’s put these egotistical bums to sleep then! Go Hawks!!

MsDee

December 7th, 2010
1:08 am

The Magic are starting to sound like the Celtics did when we played them great a couple years ago in the playoffs when we took them to game 7. I remember KG talking something like they stilled own us and that we aren’t a rivalry team when the other team havent beat them or something like that..I’m paraphrasing but little did KG know that we swept them the following year because the Hawks was no longer intimidated by them. It will be the same for Orlando now that we arent afraid of them anymore. I truly believe we can and will beat the next 2 games against Orlando when we play those games at home..the same for Miami as well cause I’m STILL not sold on the Heat being all that esp since we almost beat them WITHOUT JJ. Also the Bucks just about beat them as well so I’m not afraid of neither the Heat nor Orlando any longer.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

December 7th, 2010
2:34 am

Van Gundy is an arrogant prick. That funny part is after Atlanta lost in Miami the other day, we could have made the same lame excuses (minus the flu) but LD did not and neither did Horford. D12 takes a cue from his pompous head coach. That’s cool. The next time they play is in Atlanta.
JJ needs to take notes on how effective the team’s offense is when the ball is in constant motion. Let’s not totally scrap the iso but scale it back even more. Jamal was so so in the 4th…Van Gundy expected iso Jamal when TUE, DEC 7, 2010 drew up a play for Bibby, LOL. Not so predictable anymore fatso, lol.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

December 7th, 2010
2:34 am

Van Gundy is an arrogant prick. That funny part is after Atlanta lost in Miami the other day, we could have made the same lame excuses (minus the flu) but LD did not and neither did Horford. D12 takes a cue from his pompous head coach. That’s cool. The next time they play is in Atlanta.
JJ needs to take notes on how effective the team’s offense is when the ball is in constant motion. Let’s not totally scrap the iso but scale it back even more. Jamal was so so in the 4th…Van Gundy expected iso Jamal when LD drew up a play for Bibby, LOL. Not so predictable anymore fatso, lol.

northcyde

December 7th, 2010
3:17 am

This win was reminiscent of the win we had this time last year @ Dallas ( 80 – 75 win ). That was an ugly game too, but we pulled it out by playing great defense, especially down the stretch.

Dang . . I’ve been agreeing a lot with MsDee lately. The Magic definitely sound like the Celtics last year, after we started to consistently beat them. KG and Pierce were in complete denial about it.

With Orlando, there’s definitely a tone of arrogance as they speak down on us. They definitely don’t take us serious.

Not counting the playoff debacles, the Hawks have won 2 of the last 3 regular season games vs Orlando. Maybe that’s a sign that things are changing a little.

It’s real nice to see Smith and Horford post double doubles, especially against this team. Both are usually on milk cartons when we play the Magic, but they definitely showed up tonight.

Bibby is becoming a clutch shooter for us again. He’s taking that 3 with a lot of confidence, which is why he leads the league in 3 point shooting.

MsDee

December 7th, 2010
3:25 am

WOW!! 2 in a row now northcyde!! ;)

Big Daddy

December 7th, 2010
5:21 am

Great game plan and execution by our guys. Everyone stepped up and made it happen and that is what we have to do on a consistent basis. It looks like Coach’s offense is started to produce and the players are running it with success. Interesting line-up, but it worked. Well fought effort guys and I am happy for you this should be a big morale booster. Speaking of which, it appear Teague has really dropped in the Coach’s eyes and I hope he works hard and not give up. GO HAWKS!!!!

Geemack

December 7th, 2010
5:25 am

Lol. @ Dwight saying they will erase that confidence next time. Good win, but they still own the Hawks.

Miles D

December 7th, 2010
6:17 am

Good win for the our Hawks! “ITS BETTER TO LOOK UGLY AND WIN!” LOL! Now it on to the NETS! Lets carry the momentum on and take care of business at home!! Lets Go Hawks!!!

The Truth

December 7th, 2010
7:08 am

Great Win for the Hawks! Apparently LD has gotten the memo about Zaza as a featured big center. With his physical limitations, he plays more like a soft PF as he still got punked a few times by Howard. Once again, Marvin inconsistency problems are purely mental. After being star-struck defending Lebron in a losing effort, he played very timid in this game as if Vince Carter had a psychological spell on him. He played very scared. His body language suggested he had absolutely no hunger to assert but rather to be only a pedestrian. He was just going through the motion deferring his shots then finding a place to get lost in the background. But to be fair to Marvin, all players will experience games like this. Marvin probably felt it was his turn to take a few nights off and he did. His poor performance would only be a big deal if the Hawks had lost the game. Since they did not, his sleep-walking motions should not be a headliner, at least not for now. However, I am wondering which Marvin will show-up for the Nets game.

dukester

December 7th, 2010
7:13 am

Didnt see the game but this is a great win against a very good opponent. Some how way some way we have to let this be a bump up and continue to win games like this. This team has the talent to compete with any team in the league.

And always find away to trade Marvin’s contract. I will take Iggy’s 50 million left on his deal if they would take Marvin’s 35 million and Zaza’s 10 million. Bad money is bad money no matter how you look at it.

dap01

December 7th, 2010
7:30 am

Dwight and the Magic think that they are an entitled bunch that should get every call from the refs. Dwight fouls and fouls yet has nothing called against them. Drew used the bench well last night with the exception of Teague.

Collins and Ethan can bang and mess with Dwight’s head.

terrell

December 7th, 2010
7:58 am

Collins needs to start period! Not just against Dwight.
Bibby/Wilkins/Josh/Al/Collins and leave it at that.

terrell

December 7th, 2010
7:59 am

Dwight’s so used to beating up on Al, that he looked to be in shock mode with Hamburger clogging the lane. lol!

Section 303

December 7th, 2010
8:01 am

I become less and less of a Dwight Howard fan everyday. Just another d-bag star player. F him with trying to rationalize the Hawks win away.

Gotta love how everyone is so quick to defend the Magic…”Nelson was out”, “Guys were getting over being sick”. No one bothered to mentioned that the Great Joe “I could care less” Johnson was out. (read: sort of sarcasim).

Reminding me of the Cavs series, back in ‘09. Hawks were basically without three players (”I could care less” Johnson, Al, Marvin). Cavs sweep the Hawks and all you hear is “the Cavs killed the Hawks” “Hawks were outclassed”.

Would have loved to have heard the spin had the Hawks been full strength and beat the Cavs minus LeBron, Williams, and pick the other stiff at random. Had the Hawks won you would have heard “Cavs got a tough break because of the injuries” “Hawks got lucky because so and so was out”.

Complete double standard the way some teams are covered compared with others. Here’s hoping the Hawks win again on Dec. 20th and we get to read/listen more Magic excuses on Dec. 21

terrell

December 7th, 2010
8:08 am

From last blog: Ken Strickland, did you just say that Marvin hasnt contributed to any of our losses? Are you serious? More production from the sf spot = more wins. You lost me on that one.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 7th, 2010
8:08 am

“With Orlando, there’s definitely a tone of arrogance as they speak down on us. They definitely don’t take us serious.”

If I was coming off outscoring a team by 101 in a series sweep, I wouldn’t take that team seriously either.

I don’t blame Orlando. They are at the stage now where they know they can make the ECF; one regular season game isn’t going to mean as much to them as it is to the Hawks. They probably feel that in the playoffs, when the intensity level is higher, they can still beat the Hawks — and until the Hawks prove otherwise, they are right.

That’s not to say the win means nothing; of course it’s a big confidence builder for the Hawks. But generally, this little-brother-beats-big-brother games mean much more to the little brother than the big brother, at least in the regular season.

soul sister

December 7th, 2010
8:14 am

Go Hawks! Good game, great win. Keep up the good work and ignore the negative comments from all the haters.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 7th, 2010
8:17 am

What Dwight Howard and Stan Van Gundy said is what any elite team would say in that situation. Y’all should direct your misguided outrage at ESPN. Ordinarily a second round playoff rematch/division rivalry game would lead off their NBA Tonight show; last night the Hawks-Magic game took a back seat to Heat-Bucks and Bulls-Thunder. Maybe even more egregiously, the highlight was dominated by Magic buckets (the Powell feed to Smoove and the late Bibby 3 were the only Hawks buckets shown) and they made it a point to mention Jameer Nelson’s absence while completely omitting mention of Joe. It’s a lot more understandable for players and coaches to be less than respectful of their historically inferior opponents than it is for the media to make the same mistake. If you insist on getting mad at someone, direct your outrage at the Worldwide Leader.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 7th, 2010
8:19 am

I should also add that the Hawks currently sit at #15 in the ESPN power rankings, behind New York and Indiana, two teams the Hawks have decisively beaten.

wordsmithtom

December 7th, 2010
8:24 am

Even the Hawk players realize they’re not yet in Orlando’s class. But, advancement comes in steps and 2 quality games in a row against Orlando has to help their mentality.

Marvin hurt his knee in first half, again. Others stepped up.

Interestingly, LD followed up with a plan to change their approach to Howard. Horf is a great guy, and a quality player, but Howard owns him. Starting Collins and even using Powell on him was great. Collins can’t score, but can hold his own position wize. Powell CAN score and made Howard come out of his comfort zone. It reminds me of the old “hack a Shaq” strategy: rotate bodies against him to keep him from dominating Horf. The result last night was palpable.

Yes, we were lucky Vermeer was out….they were lucky Johnson couldn’t go.

Lunch pail win. Hope LD continues to make lineup cards depending upon the opponent, not what he wants his guys to do. Adapt, change, use the bench.

no justice

December 7th, 2010
8:34 am

Hey! Josh gotta go, trade the bum!

terrell

December 7th, 2010
8:36 am

Marvin’s STILL missing wide open shots. STILL gettin blocked by smaller players. STILL falling down. And STILL startin. Time to end this soap opera.

niremetal

December 7th, 2010
8:37 am

MC – who was the third guy on the inactive list yesterday? Pape, JJ, and…JC2?

no justice

December 7th, 2010
8:37 am

No! no! that was last week. ASG you should give him a max contract.

terrell

December 7th, 2010
8:39 am

No justice, if you’re beinng sarcastic, you dont trade bums to get better. you have to actually trade players that can actually play. I think that’s why Josh is usually the one mentioned in trade rumors. Not because he cant play. We all know he has the talent.

Mike is back

December 7th, 2010
8:46 am

MC, did I mention how much I really enjoy ready your blogs…when I need to get caught up on the latest news on the Hawks…I know I can get the pertinent information I NEED…without all the hoopla…GREAT STUFF!!

Another GRITTY DETERMINED EFFORT BY THE HAWKS…TREMENDOUS JOB BY LD…I’m hoping we go Big for now on…when play teams with size and length…even when JJ gets back…it adds another dimension to the team.

When Josh and Al is going like that…you can go with Collins, Eton, and Zaza…I do mean in that order…Zaza is laying down out there…he gotta step his asssss the F up…that’s 18 fouls you can use in the pivot…to ease the wear and tear on AL…Dude got that mid-range jump shot…AND IT’S MONEY…folk. lol

BTW, my boy Powell showed he is a viable option at the pivot too.

KEEP IT GOING…DECEMBER…JUST STARTED…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

soul sister

December 7th, 2010
8:54 am

Apparently the previous omment identified who the haters are. As stated “GO HAWKS”.

no justice

December 7th, 2010
8:57 am

Not Sarcastic – schizophrenia. If a player is 80% good and 20% bad but continues to improve every year should we trade or show patience. Should I kick my son out because he get a speeding ticket even if good kid most of the time or continue to work toward making him a great kid?

terrell

December 7th, 2010
9:06 am

If it makes your family BETTER, then yes. lol!

The Truth

December 7th, 2010
9:09 am

“With the outside shots falling off the rim, the passing lanes open only briefly, and Jason Collins blanketing Howard insidde, the Magic struggled to get good shot attempts. There’s very little good to say about that end of the floor tonight. Even without Nelson, Orlando’s capable of more offensively.”

Even Orlando observers recognized Collins contribution

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2010/12/6/1860525/atlanta-hawks-80-orlando-magic-74

terrell

December 7th, 2010
9:10 am

No justice, if your son is still getting tickets 6 years later, then he’ll more than likely still be getting them down the road.

Greg in Orlando

December 7th, 2010
9:25 am

The Hawks aren’t even on our radar. It would be a blessing to play this team in the playoffs again. It would be the same outcome. Cute win though..in early December… Next…

no justice

December 7th, 2010
9:25 am

Ok then trade the bum! Kick him out! We’ll do it next bad game he has. ok?

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

December 7th, 2010
9:30 am

not shocked@D12’s comments.
Last year I was goin out with this girl in a rural county down near Savannah (Montgomery County – Mt. Vernon, GA) and she told me he has family from down there and used to visit alot while in High School. She said he was a huge DBAG, rude, and arrogant.

Watching his actions on the court and those comments about the Hawks makes me believe her.

yodaddy

December 7th, 2010
9:37 am

We need to talk about getting Iguodala in here.

Marvin Williams (no team would want him but hypothetically…) and Zaza Pachulia (no team would want him either) & trade exception money from Josh Childress.

If Philly’s GM was somehow coerced (can we get the Mob involved???) into this deal Atlanta would be the favorite to win not 1 not 2 not 3 but 7 or 8 championships.

Bibby, JJ, Iggy, Josh, & Al

Crawford, Wilkins, Collins, Teague, Powell, Evans off the bench…JC2 in wait

I’m trying to tell you

{MAC-Town Georgia 478}

December 7th, 2010
9:43 am

That would be an interesting addition.

Double Zero Eight

December 7th, 2010
9:46 am

Any win is a good win. Looks like the team is buying in to Drew’s system. The Hawks played like a team that had some chemistry last night. Drew knows what he is doing, but the key is getting the players to consistently execute and play hard for 4 quarters.