Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 116, Wizards 96

Hawks got the 'Joe of old' vs. Wizards (AP)

Hawks got the 'Joe of old' vs. Wizards (AP)

– It seems unnecessary to quibble about the opponent under the circumstances. The Hawks ended their three-game losing
streak with a professional effort. They took control early and never let up, played physical against a bigger team and made John Wall look like an ordinary rookie.

– This felt like one of those beatdowns the Hawks routinely delivered to overmatched teams at Philips last season. They quickly established they were the faster, sharper, better team and never let the Wizards believe they could play with them.

– “We only put up one word on the board: ‘Energy,’” Mo said. “I think we fulfilled that. Everybody played with a lot of intensity, a lot of energy, and we played together for the first time in a long time.”

– “We haven’t had a game like this all season long,” Smoove said. “We really did bring the energy and the effort tonight. We were able to bring it at both ends of the court. We were just helping each other out and having fun.”

– The sight of guys clowning on the bench after Twin made a 3-pointer was a sure sign of that. It was in stark contrast to the bickering and pouting during and after the Celtics game and the frustration at being unable to make a couple plays to beat the Nets.

– “I am just proud of the way we handled this little adversity we had going,” Al said.

– The Hawks overwhelmed the Wizards by defending, rebounding and running early. Atlanta collected all of Washington’s 10 missed shots in the first quarter and scored 16 fastbreak points.

– “They had to bring energy,” L.D. said. “That was the most important thing. It wasn’t about the game plan. It wasn’t about our strategy. The first line of business was to bring energy. That type energy I saw today I had not seen for a few games, especially from start to finish.”

– With Al Thotnton (back) out, the Wizards started a three-guard lineup of Wall, Arenas and Hinrich. The Hawks still controlled the open court because Josh and Al can push the ball and run the floor so effectively.

– The Wizards have three long, athletic guys who can defend the rim in McGee, Blatche, and Armstrong. Al and Smoove went right at them. You could see the determination on Al’s face when he pump faked McGee and drove by him for a powerful dunk.

– “We wanted to get into their bodies, understanding that if they contested shots they were going to off balance and we was able to get the offensive rebounds and get putbacks,” Josh said.

– McGee had been on a tear coming in with games of 24/18, 20/16, 10/12. He had 5 and 8 after three quarters. Atlanta’s edge in rebounding was 42-25 through three quarters.

–”The big emphasis was blocking out,” Al said. “McGee had been playing so well coming into this game. We held him off as best we could. I think our guards played a huge role coming in and making sure they helped out with the long rebounds.”

J.J. had his best game in a while. He made the open jumpers he’s been missing (Smoove keeps setting him up nicely) and added five assists with no turnovers and five rebounds in 27 minutes.

– “I thought Joe looked like the Joe of old,” L.D. said. “Just watching the ball come off his release, it had the rotation on it. He wasn’t hesitating. Hopefully he can sustain that and keep looking for his shot. I thought he had been hesitating a little bit the last three games. Tonight he stepped up when he was open and he nailed it. That’s what we need from him.”

Marvin had smaller defenders on him all night but never really did take advantage.

– With Josh, Al and Joe flowing, Bibby took just five shots and directed traffic. He knows how to hang back and get other guys going when he needs to.

– Extended minutes for the bench guys as none of the starters played more than 29 minutes.

Jamal was flowing again. Only 1 for 5 on 3-pointers but seven free-throw attempts were his reward for venturing inside with the timber.

JC2 still gets lost on D but you have to admire his spunk. The rookie provides energy in bunches.

– Wall got loose in the open court when the teams met in Atlanta’s home opener. It’s difficult to keep him out of the lane for any team, much less one with slow-footed guards, but the Hawks made sure there was lots of traffic for Wall to navigate when he got near the basket.

– “Last game John Wall ran it up our back,” L.D. said. “He was in the paint all game long. When he is driving the ball like that he forces people to help and you get sucked in and now you are leaving outside shooters open. We made it a point to make sure we shadow wall and have a big guy somewhere in the vicinity and keep him from getting into the gaps. But then we have to defend the 3-point line with Gilbert and Nick Young and I think we did a good job of that.”

– Arenas made 4 of 9 3-pointers, with two of those in the fourth. His teammates were 0 for 8.

– Young’s effort was the only thing that saved Washington from further embarrassment. He’s a nice young talent.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

63 comments Add your comment

Big Daddy

November 26th, 2010
12:27 am

Big Daddy

November 26th, 2010
12:30 am

The Hawks played with a purpose. Not only did they move the ball around. They moved around and they defended like they were supposed to. I hope this is the beginning of something promising and I am not going to even bash Marvin. Smoove and Al had it going on and Bibby did what a point is supposed to do in that situation. I do worry about Teague. I hope his confidence improves and his judgement.

Melvin

November 26th, 2010
12:30 am

MC,
What’s with Teague and his reduce playing time of late? Tonight he didn’t get into the game until the 4th qtr. Is he in LD’s dog house? Has LD lost faith in him?

O'Brien

November 26th, 2010
12:51 am

Great win for the Hawks. So now they are 9-1 against lottery teams, 0-6 against playoff teams.

“Marvin had smaller defenders on him all night but never really did take advantage.”…MC .

Rod from CP has been saying the same thing from early last season. Same old Marvin.

ToeKnee

November 26th, 2010
12:57 am

MC, Can you please tell me any good reason why the Hawks shouldn’t try to trade for Nick Young? He’s always looked good for the past few years when I’ve seen him play, usually against us, and I think he’d be a great fit, and the Wizards have Wall. The team looked great tonight just hope they can keep it up and take advantage of the weak schedule for the next few games. and Marvin please step it up what happened to ur handle?butterfingers all season

truly1

November 26th, 2010
1:01 am

thanks melvin keep on MC I would like to know

Najeh Davenpoop

November 26th, 2010
1:03 am

““I am just proud of the way we handled this little adversity we had going,” Al said.”

I hope he realizes they are not out of the woods yet until they put together 48 minutes like this against a good team. This was a step in the right direction, but until they string together some games like this they are not done “handling adversity”.

9-1 against bad teams, 0-6 against good teams.

Same old Marvin is right, and I might have to start saying “same old Teague” sooner or later.

mike

November 26th, 2010
1:28 am

Teague should have gotten in much earlier.. must be in the doghouse

northcyde

November 26th, 2010
3:06 am

Ya’ll kill me with this “doghouse” talk. If anything, Drew simply shortened his rotation last night to keep his best players on the floor.

If players isn’t making a positive impact on a game, and you have better players to play in front of that guy, is it REALLY a mystery as to why that player isn’t playing?

The unfortunate reality concerning Teague and Jordan, is that Jamal can adequately play both the 1 and the 2. That means that their playing time can and will be cut, if need be.
That also means that if push came to shove, the coalch could opt to not play either guy.

Players who are not consistently producing, and see their playing time cut, are not in a doghouse. They simplu can’t ball better than the guy taking their minutes.

lewis

November 26th, 2010
3:09 am

nothing’s wrong with teague

jordan’s just a baller

can’t teach ballin

Section 303

November 26th, 2010
6:31 am

Najeh, couldn’t agree more. Some of the quotes these guys make just leave me wondering if they have a clue. So, the Hawks thought last night was finally a good time to focus on boxing out? What a concept!

Good win, for once. It was getting hard to picture these guys winning another game. I don’t belive they have made any giant steps, though. Let’s see where they stand after these two road games….

Section 303

November 26th, 2010
6:32 am

Michael, do you think that Teague was sitting last night because of his outburst towards Coach Drew during the Celtic game on Monday? I saw him and Drew get into it pretty good during a timeout that game.

Willy

November 26th, 2010
6:39 am

Teague MIA again?

hawks_4_life

November 26th, 2010
7:04 am

Teague has better physical tools but JC2 have the mental tools you look for with the killer instinct.

lukas

November 26th, 2010
7:36 am

Wake me up when they CONSISTENTLY beat playoff teams. And pleaaaase, bring Marvin from the bench.

doc

November 26th, 2010
8:08 am

teague is not a player, never wasnever will be unless he grows up somehow someway. marvin, best we can xpect ishim to always defer never take chances to be in the spotlight and maybe if he gets a little more hustle to hm get 8 rpg and become a solid defender. this is what was drafted a guy that wouldnt start in college and totally miscast by bk and nique as a number two pick. again not his fault. a good guy but more a bench player making too much money for his limited range and ability. he also falls to sund who couldnt see he had more total range and skilll at a smaller price in chills and opted to pay more for a lesser player on marvin. again really good solid character guy who should hang in the league a long time but not at 8 mil a year. sund and/ or askg did not do their homework twice on him.

terrell

November 26th, 2010
9:04 am

Jordan Crawford > Marvin and Teague. Just sayin.

Mike is back

November 26th, 2010
9:04 am

MC, your aforementioned workmen like effort…was an accurate description for me…it was nice to see a win at home…they played unselfish, and functioned as a cohesive unit. I was definitely impressed by the defensive effort on McGee and Wall…they made McGee a non factor and that ain’t easy.

I also agree on your comments on JC2…HE GOT THAT THANG…the holiday and bright lights kind of got to him last night…dude was breathing like he had did a…back to back to back. lol

I like the option of having JC2 to play the PG…Teague is going to have to step the F up…when he is on the floor…they both possess unique skill sets that can help team at the PG position…and that’s a good thing…Teague time will come.

I would like to see more options at the SF positions…Marvin just has not convince me he deserves the minutes he gets…I must be missing something…because I don’t see how his casual effort on defense…offsets his listless effort on offense. Dude had an obvious size advantage and he is taking fall away jump shots…why does Marvin’s minute stay the same…when he is clearly underperforming…can we find a way to get Powell…more minutes.

Great Win Hawks…way to get off the snide…CAN WE SEE SOME MORE OF THAT WORKMEN LIKE EFFORT.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
9:29 am

Excellent post-game writeup

“– Marvin had smaller defenders on him all night but never really did take advantage. ”

LOL! This is the same guy who 3 years ago against the Rockets got stuffed by [6"2] Luther Head while posting him up. The guy had 2 fast breaks last night and immediately slowed it down because he knows he can’t execute.

He also doesn’t get many shots not just because he isn’t a focal point on offense, but BECAUSE HE DOESN’T WANT THE BALL IN HIS HANDS. HE IS A TIMID BASKETBALL PLAYER.

I am wondering what lineup changes LD was considering. Who would he have put in the starting lineup? Mo? Jo-Craw? Was he going to replace to starters [Bib and Duck]?

And MC, can you get a comment about Teague’s lack of playing time?

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
9:31 am

Jo-Craw’s best attribute is he looks to be a killer on offense. He isn’t like Teague or Duck, looking to juts get rid of the ball. He wants to destroy you on offense. Interesting comment by C-Webb about how he needs to learn even more from Joe and Bib

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
9:35 am

One of my favorite moments of the game was when Jo-Craw missed the fast-break jumper, and when the next timeout was called, LD singled out JC2 and explained what he did wrong

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
9:45 am

“Michael, do you think that Teague was sitting last night because of his outburst towards Coach Drew during the Celtic game on Monday? I saw him and Drew get into it pretty good during a timeout that game.”

Yo Section 303 what happened that caused this? Was Teague messing up? I thought Teague got mad during the 3rd quarter when he wasn’t even in?

jay dubu

November 26th, 2010
9:48 am

I’ll get excited about the Hawks when they beat a playoff calibur team.

O'Brien

November 26th, 2010
11:50 am

doc,

Unfortunately, after this season, we still have Marvin for 3 more years, $23.3 mil. And chances are he will be a starter the entire time. Way to go Rick Sund.

Section 303,

I dont know what it is about these players. They have one good game, and they talk like everything is good. I like what Mo said. Talk is cheap.

Show it more consistently on the court.

Nate ArchiBALL

November 26th, 2010
11:54 am

About Teague being in the doghouse – In NJ after a timeout and the Hawks were fouling at the end of the game there was a play where Teague let Farmar get the ball (no pick – just lost his man) and go the length of the court. Farmar should have never made it out of the back court. Teague was lucky when rather than run the clock out, Farmar decided to go for the layup and missed it. Cost the Hawks valuable seconds.
His play in the BOS and NJ games = bench time against WAS.

ATL RAISED INDY LIVING

November 26th, 2010
12:31 pm

The problem with TEAGUE is that he doesn’t have enough ” BARK ” to back up his talent..JC2 on the other hand have that killer instinct that makes NBA superstars ( i.e. KOBE BRYANT, MICHAEL JORDAN )..I THINK IT IS ALMOST TIME TO PASS THE ROCK FROM BIBBY TO JC2, NOT SOFT TEAGUE AND LET JC2 DO HIS THING…JC2 WILL TURN OUT TO BE THE MOST UNDERATTED DRAFT PICK OF ALL TIME..JC2 HAS THE HEART TO BE LEGENDARY, BUT HE MUST WORK ON HIS DEFENSE AND HIS TURNOVERS..IF HE PUTS IN THE WORK , THEN WE MAY BE MENTIONING HIS NAME IN THE SAME BREATH AS KOBE, JORDAN, AND ALL THE OTHER NBA SUPERSTARS THAT HAVE AND ARE PLAYING THE GAME

ATL RAISED INDY LIVING

November 26th, 2010
12:35 pm

THE REASON WHY TEAGUE IS IN THE DOGHOUSE IS BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO “BARK”..MAYBE NICK VAN EXEL CAN FINALLY TRAIN HIM A LITTLE MORE SINCE HE WILL BE RIDING THE PINE

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
12:36 pm

I agree with ATL RAISED INDY LIVING. JC2 might not turn out to be as good as those guys, but dude is a killer. His jumpshot looks like LBJ’s too

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
12:38 pm

Nick Van Exel has done nothing for Teague. He is still timid as hell. If you aren’t gonna help Teague, can you please wake Marvin up from his 6 year nap?

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
12:41 pm

JC2 said on Media day that he is an attacker.

if u watched Teague last night, he did not look interested at all in running the point or setting people up.

Time for JC2 to become our backup PG

oldtimer

November 26th, 2010
1:00 pm

While I agree with majority that JC2 is a baller and has a great future ahead of him, I must disagree that he can carry the point guard torch from Bibby. In my opinion, JC2 is a much more natural 2 guard, and will get his minutes as backup to Joe.

If Jamal is signed, then Jamal and JC2 can play as 2 guard, and Joe starting small forward with Marvin as backup. I assume Mo will be let go which is a pity. If Jamal is not signed, then JJ and JC2 will man the 2 guard.

To be a point guard in this league, you have to have the natural instincts of being able to dish and penetrate, and be a natural giver. I see JC2 as the shark that attacks and score. He is a taker and attacker not a giver. That still leaves the Hawks with a problem at point, because I just don’t think Teague will work. We should at least see flashes from him, all I see on the positive side is tremendous speed and good D. But no shooting, no natural assist and dish or penetration capability. And he does not manage the flow. He simply hands off the ball and steps to the side. Hawks desperately need more than that. At this point, I take Jamal as the point guard backup for Bibby, and let Teague go in a trade. Next draft we should then look for a point guard again.

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
1:09 pm

Good points, oldtimer.

I got carried away with JC2 as backup PG, but he should definitely see minutes every game.

Our PG situation is a mess. We could’ve so easily signed Brandon Bass + Jarrett Jack 2 summers ago instead of Bibby and Marvin. I’d look into a trade with Detroit (Jamal + Teague) and then let JC2 get Jamal’s minutes. It does not appear Jamal will be resigned with JC2 playing like this

Melvin

November 26th, 2010
1:14 pm

Oh my goodness, Jordan told Lebron he’s just making excuses. I love it..

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhnx9pmPG256206Q2q

lewis

November 26th, 2010
2:07 pm

Just saying though,
in this offense,
JC2 can fill in at point.
Bibby gets what 4 assists a game?

Jordan gets long rebounds, can shoot from range.
His D is shifty, but that’s not saying much in comparison to Bibby.

Jamal can still be successful playing SG with Jordan at PG simply because of the fact that Jordan is young, not worried about getting his points, but more worried about getting playing time.

When Jamal brings it up, he’s going to either shoot a jump shot or make an uncreative pass that doesn’t challenge the defense. He doesn’t drive to the rim with aggression, he usually does some sort of weaving crossover routine that allows him to avoid contact while still picking up the foul.

When Jordan brings it up, he almost always creates a problem for the defense, and either attempts to finish at the rim or dishes out. He attacks the basket with great energy, and finishes on guys much bigger. That he runs his a$$ off and dives for balls and gets in the middle of things for rebounds tells me that he’s going to be a beast if/when he learns to defend with his body and brain.

oldtimer

November 26th, 2010
2:36 pm

Lewis, I agree with you. JC2 can play point. I just see him more valuable as a scorer. What i have seen of him reminds me of Vinny “Microwave” Johnson and Andrew “Boston Strngler” Toney. Both of those guys could also play point, and in fact may have at some point, but I remember they scored in bunches and had no conscious. What I see with JC2, is scoring for him is effortless, and that in my opinion, is still the most difficult skill in basketball. But he could serve as a point also.

Ray

November 26th, 2010
2:53 pm

I just don’t get it with some of ya’ll talking about Teague.

Ok the guy is timid all right, but you might want to think about it before you jump into the Trade(insert name here) bandwagon.

To me Teague is going to be a good PG he just needs some time. Every point guard doesn’t come out of the womb just ready to ball man. Especially in the NBA.

Ya’ll are making it seem like Teague is a pure bust at the PG spot I for one just don’t believe that. Yes he doesn’t have a bark nor a bite for that matter yet, but with some training and PT(which means more than training). He’ll come to in time.

Grandad

November 26th, 2010
3:09 pm

G-dad’s [Joe Johnson] Trade Suggestion O’ the Day:

Houston gets:
Joe, Jeff Teague, & Marv
Hawks get:
Battier, Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin, & Jared Jeffries (exp cont)

K.Martin and Marv can be removed from the trade;
the numbers still work.

You gotta’ love this one!

Melvin

November 26th, 2010
3:38 pm

Grandad, I don’t like your trade. Not enough value for Joe in return. Hawks give up arguably their best player for marginal players. If they are going to trade Joe then it better be for an impact player. Joe is still the 3rd best SG, all-star and a top 15 type of player..

northcyde

November 26th, 2010
3:43 pm

Oldtimer is right about the traditional role of a PG. But in the NBA, there are exceptions to the rule, especially when a PG is playing with a SG or SF in which the the offense runs through.

The best example of this is Derek Fisher in L.A. Fisher is technically the PG, but because everything runs through Kobe or Gasol, it’s more important for Fisher to be able to knock down shots, than to be a high assist guy. And because Fisher can defend the position, he’s able to stay on the floor, despite being a non-traditional PG.

Other guys who play more of a scoring PG, than a floor leader type include

- Jason Terry ( Dallas )
- Mo Williams ( Cleveland )
- Randy Foye ( LA Clippers )
- Daniel Gibson ( Cleveland )
- Nate Robinson ( Boston )
- Rodney Stuckey ( Detroit )
- Lou Williams ( Philly )

So the precedent is there for a guy like Jordan to play alongside JJ or Jamal, and be an extra scoring guard, even if he isn’t doing all of the ball handling at PG.

But at 6-4, Jordan at the point is going to be taller than most guys he faces, which should make it easier for him to shoot over top of them.

Drew can’t afford to hold anybody back. So if Teague opens the door for Jordan get a shot at PG, after Drew didn’t think Jordan could even play the point, Teague may end up being in the Dog Pound, forget the doghouse.

hbcuclassics

November 26th, 2010
3:57 pm

Black Power Poll TM
Post-season 2010

1. Bethune (14)
2. S. Carolina St (12)
3. Albany St (5)
4. FAMU
5. Texas Southern
6. Grambling (23)
7. FVSU (22)
8. Tuskegee
9. Morehouse (23)
10. Shaw (25)

(#) – Top 25 Ranking Coaches Polls, FCS, AFCA

Tuskegee 17 Alabama St 10
SC State v. Ga Southern – Nov. 27
Wingate v. Albany St. – Nov. 27
Grambling v. Southern – Nov. 27

northcyde

November 26th, 2010
4:19 pm

Ray . . who do you consider to be a good PG?

Because if you look at the history of this league, the guys that have been good PGs, did play well either in their 1st, and definitely by their 2nd year.

The exception may be a guy like Chauncey Billups, who struggled for about 4 years to find out what type of player he was. But you can’t cite exceptions to the rule, and act like that Teague will be that exception, and be good in the future.

Teague has 2 MAJOR red flags.

- his low shot release, which prohibits him from facing up a player and shooting over him, unless its a floater. Teague, like Josh Childress, needs space to get his jump shot off.

- in college, he played a scoring G ( much like Salim Stoudamire ) and didn’t really play PG in the first place. And the way he scored was by attacking the rim or by shooting wide open shots. Teague shot a lot of free throws too, because he would get fouled going to the hole.

So in the NBA, the key to his success has to be as an attacking PG that gets to the rim and finishes, or draws fouls. If the officials don’t call a foul when he gets hit going to the hole, and he can’t get his jumpshot off, how can he score?

By the way, that’s exactly what happened to Acie Law. He couldn’t finish at the rim in traffic, and only got a foul call during blowouts. And because he couldn’t make the midrange jumper, it killed his offensive game.

Teague still has value. And I think if he played with Smith and Horford more, it would make him look better as a passing PG. But he has to be able to lead.

Drew obviously doesn’t trust his leadership abilities.

STEEL(FormerlyVenomSpitter)

November 26th, 2010
4:24 pm

STEEL(FormerlyVenomSpitter)

November 26th, 2010
4:25 pm

It’s obvious that JC2 is better than Teague in everyway

Ray

November 26th, 2010
4:32 pm

@ northcyde

I consider Rondo, Robinson, Billups, CP3, D-will, Mike Bibby to all be good PG’s int the NBA.

Just like someone else said this team doesn’t run through the PG spot at least not for a long time it runs through the SG, SF, and C spots.

Now if Teague can contribute better than he has then he’s got no problem in my book. He’s not Marvin just invisible and actually Marvin’s not even that. From what I’ve been able to see from Teague is he’ll show some flashes of what he’s capable of during some games. Like I remember last year when we played the LA Lakers Teague was in there it seemed like he wanted to win he tired, but everyone around him seem like they gave in.

northcyde

November 26th, 2010
4:35 pm

LOL @ the MEAC/CIAA bias in that Black College poll.

FAMU couldn’t even beat Tennessee St back in September And TSU was terrible this year. Both Grambling and Texas Southern are better teams than FAMU. Alabama St is too. Possibly even Morehouse.

FAMU at #4 is a travesty.

northcyde

November 26th, 2010
4:49 pm

Ray . . . my theory on Teague has always been that when there is no pressure on him, he looks like a baller. He looks great in a blowout, like how Salim used to look.

But when we need him to play well when the game is tight, or at least make an impact during a tight game, he doesn’t or can’t do it.

We need more consistent play out of him in the 2nd quarter. But to play more, he needs to give Drew a reason to stick with him, rather than to give Jamal extended minutes at the point.

He’s obviously the best defensive option at the point that we have. But Drew doesn’t absolutely trust him yet. And with that losing stretch we were on, he didn’t have time to stick with him either for developmental purposes.

And that’s the other thing about this. If this was 2006, and we weren’t expected to do much, you definitely start Teague and give him major minutes. But when you are supposed to be a top 10 team in the league, only the players that show that they can ball a little, will get developed.

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
5:19 pm

Grandad, that is a horrendous trade

People overrate Battier way too much. The guy is very injury-prone, puts up no numbers at all, and is hardly an elite defender anymore.

People act like this guy is the missing piece needed for a championship

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
5:40 pm

THE ASG DIDN’T EVEN NEGOTIATE WITH JOE.

THEY IMMEDIATELY OFFERED HIM A MAX CONTRACT LOL!

JOE DIDN’T VOLUNTEER TO TAKE LESS MONEY TO FILL OUT THE ROSTER.

HE SAID HE’D HELP RECRUIT PLAYERS, THEN RECANTED THAT STATEMENT

JOE SAID HE WAS UNAWARE OF CRITICISMS REGARDING HIS MAX CONTRACT.

YEAH THIS IS OUR “LEADER”

JeJe

November 26th, 2010
5:48 pm

If JC2 keeps playing like he does and improves his passing+defense, there is no way Jamal is back next year [unfortunately]

Samuel

November 26th, 2010
6:11 pm

Good trade Granddad,
Martin is just as good a scorer as JJ and works a lot better off screens. Brooks would immediately become out starting PG with Bibby backing him up at the 1 and 2. Battier is is a lot better than Marvin and even Jefferies is a good versatile player. Id do that.