Atlanta Hawks: Nets 107, Hawks 101 (OT)

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Josh and Joe are the only defensive minded players on this team. Joe shot isn’t falling, But he’s still playing great man to man defense. That is overlook when his shooting is failing. I would rather have a roster with players who can stop you from scoring 90 points any given night, over a line up that can score 110 any given night. However, LD seems to feel differently.
It frustrates me game after game, seeing LD go with a lineup of Bibby, JC1, Joe, Josh, Al. No matter how many points this lineup may create. It is almost a foregone conclusion that this lineup will give up more points. Tonight, Teague actually played pretty well. His defense on Harris lead to the Nets going scoreless for long stretches at time. However, in the fourth quarter, LD stuck with his offensive lineup, although the major problem was New Jersey’s back court scoring.
This isn’t the first game in which LD has made such substitution patterns. And LD says he will hold players accountable on the defensive end, yet I still don’t see it. How can you make that statement, and Mike Bibby still records 35 minutes while only having 3 assists, and 5 shot attempts. While the opposing PG goes for 27 and 10 assists. To make it worse, Teague, in limited play, had a +9 tonight. Teague had 2 rebounds, 2 assists, and 2 steals in only 16 minutes. And kept Harris from making so many shots.
I’m beginning to wonder did we trade an all defensive, no offense minded coach for an all offensive, no defense minded coach? When will we have a coach who values both? And doesn’t compromise nor simply makes the easy call?
Also how did JC2 manage to not get a single minute in this game?
One last question, does a half priced coach, get you half priced coaching?
Samuel
November 23rd, 2010
11:31 pm
Told Yall.
Woody>LD
Ramon
November 23rd, 2010
11:39 pm
Samuel, you may be right. However, that doesn’t mean much about Woody, it just describes LD. Saying your D- minus child is better than my F child, may make you feel better. But fact is both of our kids are heading to summer school.

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ramon get your eyes examined jj is not a great defensive player.players easily drive around him while he jabs at them ,he cant stay in front of any one who is quick.he makes very little effort goeing after loose balls. two times in this game he was front of harris who was on a fast break,he just let him go by without even trying to stop him. i also looked at it in slo motion, he made no effort at all

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Larry Drew = BUM

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It’s really starting to get OLD hearing the same thing over and over “We have to keep working” and etc. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT, BE ABOUT IT!

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Exactly@K.W.

Its tiring hearing those same lines from players. The lined where they are BSing themselves are even worse.

“As long as we stay together, we will be all right,” said Bibby

…..alright in what way? The same team that that was at the mercy of elites in the 2nd round the last couple years. The same team that hasnt beat ONE good team 15 games into the season???????

Screw that comment by Bibby.

Moves need to be made!!!!

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Will the NBA just save us all the trouble and start the Lockout right now. The season is over for the Hawks anyways.

What a miserable bunch of a$$holes. Apathy is really starting to set in. Proud to say that I did not watch 1-minute of tonight’s game.

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Drew may be in over his head – clock management at the end of games doesn’t seem to be one of his strong points and it’s gotta be one of the toughest things for new head coaches to master – it appears also that nepotism trumped experience in his selection of assistant coaches – the sharks may start circling pretty soon

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AS DEPRESSING AS IT IS MOST BLAME SHOULD GO TO SUND. ITS NOT THAT THE HAWKS HAVE GOTTEN BAD .OTHER TEAMS HAVE GOTTEN BETTER ,PLAYERS AND CHEMISTRY A PLAY OFF TEAM ADDS VETERAN PLAYERS CHICAGO,ORLANDO,BOSTON,MIAMI,LAKERS,DALLAS ,BUCKS,SUNS,BUT NOT ATLANTA SCRUB COACH & ROOKIES NO QUALITY POINT NO BIG HELP. TEAMS ARE TERRORIZING OUR UNDER SIZE BIGS WITH NO HELP IN SIGHT, TO LOOSE THE GROUND WE HAVE GAINED WE MUST WE MUST MOVE NOW NOT A ONE YEAR WONDER BUT PLAYERS FOR THE FUTURE ,THE HAWKS SHOULD HAVE MADE THE DETROIT&SAC. TRADES THOMPSON AND PRINCE -STUCKY IS AVAILABLE ERIC DAMP. SIGNED WITH THE HEAT WE LOST OUT ON JARRETT JACK. MELLO IS NOT THE ANSWER .TIME FOR A ATTACK POINT GUARD EVERY TEAM THAT BESTED US HAD TWO OR THREE .THERE ARE PLENTY OF SPACE TAKING SEVEN FOOTERS OUT THERE. TWO SEVENS TONIGHT, TWO WITH BOSTON, TWO EACH TEAM WE HAVE LOST TO AND CONTINUE TO LOSE TO. AL, JOSE AND OUR BIGS ARE OVER MATCHED LOPEZ CANT PLAY LIKE THAT AGAINST ANOTHER SEVEN, SUND HAVE FLOWN THE COOP.

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“Check out this fan post on Peachtree Hoops:

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2010/11/23/1831754/time-to-trade-josh-smith

It gives an interesting take on what might be the biggest problem for the Hawks right now.”

Good read, I guess. It’s one of the few posts that I see which does not directly point out either Joe, Jamal, or L.D. as the primary culprit behind the Hawks struggles. Someone in the comments section of that post has a pretty good analysis too. I’m definitely not on the trade Josh bandwagon, but there are some good points in that post. I’m kind of shocked by how many people seem to agree with what the author is saying, based upon the poll in there. I didn’t realize that this was a common feeling.

One thing I definitely agree with is the fact that Josh doesn’t really have a clearly-defined role.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/19/nicolas-batum-carmelo-anthony_n_786215.html

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Fire LD!!!! Yall asked for his head and now he’s gone(Woody). Some of you are still blaming him for what LD is doing. You guys are some confused individuals. You wanted a new coach now you have one. Woody came into this team with nothing and improved over 6 straight yrs. You are correct about Sund should have made some moves, but we were still winning with Woody without those moves. Be careful of what you ask for!!!!! We only lost 7 at home last yr, we already have 5 L’s. You guys really know basketball.LOL

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*STARTER

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Let’s not fool ourselves these guys are horrible and don’t deserve to call themselves professioanal athletes. Management has no clue on what to do with this group the players really need to be on teams overseas, they just don’t have the heart or spirit to play in the NBA. Marvin Williams is a draft bust why can’t anyone see that, this guy has no game, he doesn’t rebound, someone told him he’s a jump shooter….”not,” he doesn’t like to play near the basket because he fears the bigger player. Marvin is like a deer caught in headlights maybe he would be good playing for the YMCA. Larry Drew is overmatched as a coach, he is running a scheme I played in college, the sceme works when you have quick players and those that don’t mind passing the ball. This team is a horrible product when it’s on the floor, what hard working Atlantan would pay their descretionary income to go and watch them play and lose with out heart.

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we’ll continue to lose with no pg and no bench

Bibby / Jamal / Teague faced with defending a starting calibur nba pg = fail.

Rajon Rondo > Hawks|| Nate Robinson > Teague || D. West > Crawford
Devin Harris > Hawks || Farmar > Teague || Morrow > Crawford
Jameer Nelson > Hawks. || Duhon / JWill > Teague. || Reddick > Crawford
Steve Nash > Hawks || Dragic > Teague. || Dudley = Crawford
Brandon Jennings > Hawks || E. Boykins > Teague. || Maggette > Crawford
Deron Williams > Hawks || Ronnie Price > Teague > Raja Bell ?? JCrawford
Jason Kidd > Hawks || JJ Berea > Teague. || Jason Terry > JCrawford

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and no SF@lewis

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MC, Does Sund or Gearon realize how majority of the fans see no silver lining in the team past Josh, Al, and Joe (and most aren’t happy with Joe)? Have Sund or Gearon ever seemed to care anything about what the fans want truly?

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No one wanted Sund to hire his assistent coach to coach this team…….We wanted him to hire a proven coach(Avery Johnson/Byron Scott). If they weren’t going to hire a proven coach they should have kept Woody.

As for JJ, I wanted him gone after he insulted the fans in Atlanta. The guy ain’t worth 20 millions for 6 yrs but these clowns(ASG) are paying this guy 120million. I don’t even like watching JJ play but now we are stuck with him for 6 yrs. What team in this league would be dumb enough to take him off our hand?

Only if we had and owner like George Steinbrenner. The Man wouldn’t put up with mediocrity.

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I like LD. But MARVIN WILLIAMS has to be the wost professional basketball player in the world. I would rather get someone from the D-leauge or run and shoot to play the 3. His lack of offensive skills allows defenses to leave him alone and sag on the other four players. He should not play another game. You can see his teammates frustration with him during timeouts. One other thing why is he always looking for dap when he comes out of the game after not doing nothing on the floor. He is a clown. The Hawks have not led in a game for at least eight quaters or more I am not sure about the Dallas game.

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Hawks are soft. time to get mad and play that way. no more f’n layups.

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What should you expect from such a poorly constructed team?

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Najeh Davenpoop, I have said it before…Josh is an easy target…for people when they want to play…the blame game…because of his approach to the game…I’m never surprised. So, you are going to trade…your only shot blocker on the team…Right. Yet, you have never adequately addressed the PG, SF, and C positions…but you can single out one person…Give me a Fing Break.

There are a collection of problems going on with this team…now collectively Josh may be part of the problem…still water…runs deep. That’s mainly because there has never been a vocal leader on this team. Bibby and JJ are the closes have you that are vets…and that’s it…Mo tries…but who is going to listen to you…when you are a reserve Vet player…playing minuses minutes.

LD gotta make a decision…sometimes…you can change the culture…by changing the line up…this ain’t rocket science.

However, the Hawks problems start at the top. I will have very little respect for anyone that will let Sund and the ASG off the hook for this mess.

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Better effort but still nom cigar.

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I was there last nite. EMBARRESSING!

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NOW would you made the trade superbust Marvin Williams for Shaq. Crap man, centers can not wait to come in the highlight factory to boost their fantasy numbers. By the way my wife has Brook Lopez on her fantasy team, she says thanks Sund.I know Teague jumper is broke like my chase account, but please start him anyway. Gotta be better defence than Bibby. P.S. reminder..We picked Marvin Williams over CP3 and Deron Williams

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Bob Weiss = Lon Kruger = Larry Drew
The three are interchangeable any synonymous with mediocrity.
This group of players needed a veteran and proven NBA coach.

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Joe Johnson Is A JOKE. A ball hog and WASTE OF MONEY!!!!!!!!!

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Man, I sure am glad we didn’t sign Shaq or Dampier when we had the chance. Etan, Collins, and Powell wouldn’t be able to keep the low post occupied in such an unbelievable way on a nightly basis – not!!!

Our depth – Teague – no clue yet, but I’m hopeful for a couple of years down the road.
Jamal – OK – but is it time to trade him?
Mo – OK
Bigs – bad on a nightly basis, including ZaZa most nights.
JC2 – Not ready for consistent prime time – but we may have a keeper for the future.

Starters – Bibby – Old and slow – but playing decent ball on Offense.
JJ – Hurt
Marvin – Pitiful – but somehow or +/- is good with him in the game many times.
Josh – All Star
Al – All-Star

Chemistry – LD has lost control of this team it seems.

Prognosis – It doesn’t look good – we may make the playoffs – hope so. We may even make some noise when we get there, who knows?

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it will take time for the offense to come along. the guys are still learning the ins and outs of the new scheme. but the D should not take time, it is all about effort. try one of those shock collars on the players and if they are standing up and not in defensive position shock the s–t out of them till they get a clue. if you look at the players most of the time they are just standing there. not in a defensive stance ready to go where needed in a nano second like they should be. must be nice to be paid millions to stand around and watch the other team shoot and rebound uncontested. You can see the other team get defensive rebounds and there is not a Hawk on the TV screen, anywhere to be seen!

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So, Joe sucks and is a ball hog? Well, he still leads the team in assists per game and points per game. He is the only one of the guards that can play defense, and he is often asked to cross-match against the other team’s best offensive player, whether that other player be a PG, a SG, or a SF.

Yes, offensively, he has had a few off nights. However, like him or not, Joe is still the Hawks best all-around player.

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Perhaps if Mr. Sund would make the EFFORT there are some available players that can help this team with one of their weakness REBOUNDING and protecting the lane as in Earl Clark who can be had for little or nothing in PHX…Mr. Sund you can”t continue to have a blind eye, ear or nose to the urgent needs of this team..Earl Clark could help in some areas but so much more is warranted…Let us see your EFFORT Mr. Sund.

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time for a change. I know everyone was happy that we got rid of Woodson. I was to, but I did not want to get his assistant. We have to shake it up. I agree, get Etan in shape and bench Marvin. Bench Bibby as well…. what do we have to lose?

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You had a modestly successful team and coach. You changed one element (the coach) and it looks like he was not the problem. So, you now know that it is the players, and you can move on to making changes in the roster. Oops, no you can’t because you have sewn up this rogue’s gallery for several years with long-term, above-market salaries.

We need to bring back Billy Knight so he can make more trades for the Hawks’ perennial MVP of the 1990s, i.e. Mr. “CapSpace

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The slump and sloeful play may be the beginning of Teague earning the starting spot officially by December. This could be a very good thing for if LD has faith in Teague.

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Blame Joe all you want, the problems are with Josh Smith, he drains the energy from the team. The article from peachtree sums it up great.

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NAJEH-you’re correct, it’s not looking too good for the Hawks, at least not for the 1st 15gms of an 82gm season. While the Hawks are currently having problems, at least they weren’t predicted to win the NBA title like the struggling Miami Heat. I can’t say much about the last 2 gms since I didn’t get to see either. However, based on the results, I don’t think I missed much.

After reading some of the comments, it seems the blog has been inundated by people who were silent during the Hawks 6gm winning streak. But they seem have crawled out of hiding to launch one tirade after another during their troubles. The Hawks and LDrew are going through adjustment and growing pains. He has to get certain players to rethink what they’ve become accustomed to doing, thinking, and expecting for the last 5-6yrs. Making the adjustment from Woodson, and the way he did and handled things is more mental than anything else, and that’s always the hardest part or any adjustment.

The much hyped Miami Heat are struggling just as much as we are, but I don’t see any of the those, who spent the entire off season proclaiming them the next NBA champs, saying a word about the cause(s) of their struggles. What about their poor interior DEF, poor PG play, or sudden struggles on DEF? In fact, didn’t they replace 6′9″ JAnthony with 7′3″ Ilgoukas as their starting center? AND AREN’T THEY STRUGGLING NOW MORE THAN BEFORE? I guess the idea shared by some, of getting bigger and taller at center, doesn’t automatically make things better does it. Even for a team with as much talent as the Miami Heat.

There have been several comments made in the past about micro managing. Well, that’s exactly what some of you are doing when you judge the talent, potential and capabilities of the Hawks based on the results of short winning or losing streaks. I don’t see anyone making the same negative projections and predictions of doom and gloom about the Miami Heat, based on their current struggles. THE HAWKS WILL DO JUST FINE OVER THE COURSE OF THE “ENTIRE” SEASON.

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And as good as Horford is, I think this year proves once and for all we have 2 very good Power Forwards on this team, and no Center.

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KS – I think I was the one on this blog stating how the Heat had no PG or Inside play. And also made the observation that if Wade or Haslem got hurt, they would be toast. They happen to have Mike Miller out also.

If they sign Dampier, keep the Big 3 healthy, when Haslem and Miller get back they will be beasts, and Title Contenders. Mark it down.

But I also said if a team had good inside play, and a good PG, they would give the Heat fits. Also said they did not match up well with Boston at all. I think I was correct in those assesments.

But I’m with you, hoping the Hawks will be fine over the 82 games, and into the playoffs. I could see us making a run…

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I’LL GIVE AN AUTOGRAPHED J.SMOOVE JERSEY AND $200 IN CASH TO ANYONE ON HERE WHO CAN LIST ONE POSITIVE THING MARVIN CONTRIBUTES TO THIS TEAM AS A STARTER

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jj is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and the offense runs primarily through him. he just hasn’t looked in sync this year. having said that he doesn’t look like he spent the offseason going through a rigorous training program. i don’t blame him. why would he? he just got PAID!

i was never a big fan of the switching defense but i’m starting to see why woody used it all the time. as coach gattison pointed out yesterday our perimeter d is so bad that our frontcourt players have to step up leaving all kinds of open looks inside. bibby is serviceable when he’s shooting the ball well but he’s such a liability on defense that its counterproductive to have him on the floor. the effort on defense is sorely lacking. as many of you have already pointed out and it has been brought up many times on this blog josh smith is a great help defender but he doesn’t give enough effort on every play. he lags and mopes when calls don’t go his way. he doesn’t run back on d. and he always gets blown by when he tries to go out and guard someone on the perimeter. he doesn’t guard pick and rolls well. so overall josh smith is average at best as a defender. horford is undersized and it shows on most nights. marvin and jj have been the best defenders from a pure effort standpoint but when you only have two guys giving it all they got on defense the results just aren’t going to be pretty.

i don’t think LD is a horrible coach. it’s too early to make a conclusion one way or another. but i will say this the discipline on this team is bad. it was bad enough when josh brings the ball up and turns it over but now we horford trying to play the point as well. who and what is going to take to nail into these cats that they are most effective filling the lanes on a break. i’ve already seen horford and josh turn it over on numerous occasions this year trying to be lebron james. there’s only one lebron and those two don’t come close to imitating him.

when all is said and done the hawks will still be one of the top 6 teams in the east. the ceiling is the 2nd round for these hawks and nothing was done to change that in the offseason. i’ve been to more exciting funerals than phillips arena this year.

need to trade josh smith now. his lackadaisical attitude and low basketball iq kill this team!

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The difference between the Miami Heat and the Hawks is the Heat have 4 guys from that 09-10 team. The Hawks brought back basically the same roster.

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I’m not sure if LD has what it takes to make this team play defense. Woody had to “dog” these guys into playing defense (and I understand that….it ain’t “sexy” to be a great defensive player), so with that being the mindset of this team, he “dog” them to play better defense. This what they are doing now is what you get without Woody. LD is not going to gain these guys respect until he does something to shake them up. They play like they are just going thru the motions, no urgency and no energy. They should have destroyed the Nets last night, but when the game started and the Nets made the first move to take ownership of the floor, the hawks didn’t even respond. It was like oh well, we’ll let you guys drag us thru this game, and if “YOU” slip……..I guess we will take it, but at the end the Net had their confidence up.

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Ken, I have to admit it, but I don’t think I crept out of a crack. I let my 99% full glass spill last night. Not sure what’s left. Not sure if I even want it anymore.

Face it folks, our team doesn’t care. They don’t want to win. They’re playing selfish, lazy basketball for the $$. They don’t listen to LD, they don’t want to play defense.

Will a new coach, owners, GM or even new players fix the problem? Hard question when the cancer has spread so far. It’s time for the entire organization to meet and decide who stays, who goes and who will unite towards a goal, and who they want to lead them there.

To date, no one in this organization is stepping up.

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Ken, keep the Heat out of this (or any other team, for that matter). There is not a team in the league that is having the effort related problems that the Hawks are. So, yeah, the Heat may be losing right now, but they are trying at least. They are just not as good as everyone thought.

As for the Hawks….how inspiring! I am so inspired by a$$holes making millions patting themselves on the back for giving effort. That’s wonderful! That’s why I buy season tickets every year…just so I will be there for the games these d-bags decide to try in (tongue firmly in cheek, by the way).

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Geemack,

Exactly. Heat are breaking in a bunch of new guys (and some of them are really old), including one (LbJ) who needs the ball a lot. Plus they have dealt with injuries to Mike Miller, Wade, and now Haslem.

What’s the Hawks excuse? Missing Marvin and Mo? I think we lost 2 games without them. But we have had the same starting lineup for almost 3 years, and we cannot put all the blame on Woody.

We’re learning a new motion offense, and stop switching on defense, but that has very little to do with our issues.

It has nothing to do with playing with Energy (I’m sure Woody would tell them to play with energy). It has nothing to do with rebounding (I’m sure Woody would tell them they need to rebound better), and it has nothing to do with defense (I’m sure Woody would tell them to defend better).

I’m not worried about LD, I’m worried about the players and their mentality. LD is trying, but the players are tuning him out like they tuned Woody out. And if they dont get it together by the trade deadline, then Rick needs to make a move.

Hawks are 17th in ppg, 26th in rebounds per game, and 14th in points allowed. Unacceptable.

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reading what Avery said about his team, you wish LD would one day say about the Hawks “I love being with these guys everyday, they put their hearts in this game.” Also, keeping the nucleus together were based on Teague improving and Williams doing well under LD. NEITHER has happended so if management will not make trades, you have to shake up the lineup

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THE HEAT WON’T WIN A RING THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR BUT THEY WILL IMPROVE. WE ARE GETTING WORSE

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303 – I agree Teague isn’t seeming to pan out. We need to know what we have 100% by Feb. Throw him in the fire. Pray he surprises you. At least he’ll play D. If not Teague start Jordan at PG w/ Mo and Jamal at SG. Rest Joe till he’s 100%. Give him no excuses when he comes back except the 124 million dollar “burden” he’ll have to carry.

It’s not about win/loss now it’s about seeing what you have and where they want to play 100%. Fill your slots, trade for what you need in Feb.

Right now we’re praying this team gels and makes the playoffs. W/O some change we’re destined to completely implode.

Joe, Al, Josh can forget any aspirations of being an All-Star. They can’t even handle being a Captain on this team.

I’m with you JeJe. Marvin just doesn’t fit in here. He should’ve taken over when Joe and Jamal were down. Instead he’s horrible.

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Section 303,

This is only Teague’s second year, so I think its too early to give up on him. I have not been impressed by his play so far, but this is essentially his rookie season, so I’m willing to wait until the end of the season to see how he does.

However, if Rick can make a move to bring in a better PG, I will be all for it. Its interesting that around the league, some of the best PGs in the game have solid backups.

Deron Williams has a solid backup in Earl Watson, Chris Paul has a solid backup in Jarrett Jack, Derrick Rose has a solid backup in CJ Watson, Tony Parker has George Hill.

But we’re stuck with Bibby and Teague, despite the fact that PG play is one of the most important positions on the court.

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the veterans don’t respect teague. one example against boston al rebounds teague is ahead of him calling for the ball. al ignores him and chooses to dribble it himself up the court. the play results in a turnover. whenever teague comes in the game he calls for the ball whether it be after a rebound or after a made basket but the problem is none of the veterans give him the ball. when he does get it he tries to do too much. always trying to put his personal stamp on the game instead of letting it come to him. this usually results in turnovers and ugly shot attempts. i dont’ know what the solution is but it might start with the attitude of the players…..

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The Hawks have problems all over and a trade might be the only solution. The point guard with Bibby at the helm is to slow on defense and Teague on offense is lost(maybe we can DH Teague).
The off guard position needs psycho therapy, Joe inflated contract and a new offense that wants him to play like a regular Joe and Jamal wants a contract like Joe and a new offense that wants him to play like a regular Joe(pass and move forget about the open shot). The power forward position with Josh who came out this year ready to do business as team player unfortunately the team is not a team. The small forward with Marvin Williams don’t have time to make comments(TOO MANY). Last but not least the center position with Al I want to be the leader(supported by AJC writers)but I keep getting treated like a boy against man on defense end of the court that I can’t back up my wishes to be a leader.

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LOL honest_abe and Fundamentals are exactly right.

Teague makes a mistake last year and people get pissed because he isn’t a superstar like we want him to be.

However, we don’t have time to watch players develop. It’s about now. We need to start playing defense or make a trade or this will be a longggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg season. Just look at our schedule at beginning of December.

We have to face John Wall tomorrow night then @NYK and @TOR (b2b)

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I’ve also noticed that over the last few games, we’re running more ISO JJ and ISO Jamal…more than we did earlier in the season. But with JJ and Jamal struggling, the ISOS are not working.

As for the PG issue, that’s a fair point. Josh is another one too, where when he gets the rebound, he dribbles the ball up the court. The good thing is him and Al really dont turn it over that much on the break, and they are good passers.

But I would like to see them give the ball to the PG more, and race down court to setup in the paint. Same thing with Jamal. He keeps the ball on rebounds, and too often, Teague is quick to give it up to him once he crosses half-court.

Looking back, Hawks would have been better off (right now) if they had drafted Collison instead of Teague.

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Ken,
You been hiding like “Ya Boy” LD did after last night’s game huh. How long are you gonna use Woody as an excuse? Looks like your Eastern Conference Contenders(LOL!!) have tuned that “slick talking” LD out already. Yea, it’s early but we’ve had one of the weakest schedules in the league thus far and are barely above your “half full” glass of water.LOL!!

Speaking of “half full” guys, look on the bright side. At least with this losing streak we don’t have to read Ken’s novel anymore about how great LD is, how Teague was gonna take Bibby’s spot, ect,ect,ect……. LOL!!

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This thing started off bad. LD should’ve NEVER named 3 captains. NEVER! Joe and Josh couldn’t lead their way out of a ……… I’ll let you guys fill in the blank. lol!

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We wanna be captains too.

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Obrien, we’d be better off if we woulda took Horford and Noah, instead of Horford and Acie. All we had to do was move up 1 spot. lol!

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WE HAVE 3 YEARS LEFT OF MARVIN AFTER THIS YEAR. AND THE FINAL YEAR IS A PLAYER OPTION

IN OTHER WORDS, HE CAN DECIDE IF HE WANTS TO MAKE 8MILLION HIS LAST SEASON OR TEST THE FREE AGENCY WATERS, SINCE HE’S SUCH A HOT COMMODITY RIGHT NOW

I HEAR THE HEAT OFFERED LEBRON STRAIGHT UP FOR MARVIN

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My entirely full glass has spilled. I decided last night to knock it over. It’s cracked, leaking and in need of repair, possibly even a new glass. What should I do…

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I disagree O’Brien.

The Hawks would’ve been better off drafting Dejuan Blair, when that dude started to freefall through the draft. That was a top 10 talent that was falling to us. But the obsession of obtaining a PG trumped that.

Now Popovich and San Antonio look like damn geniuses AGAIN, for finding a big time talent in the 2nd round.

But it’s not that San Antonio is that much smarter than everyone else. It’s that 70% of the GMs in this league are absolute idiots.

We just happen to have one of the bigger idiots of the bunch.

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Fundamentals,
First of all, we need to trade either Al or Josh for a “good” center. I like both players but we will not be a serious contender without a force in the middle. We need to put some feelers out there to see what we can get back. Both of them are good PF’s so we should be able to get one,maybe two starters for either.

This team really doesn’t have a lot of good NBA “players”. We’re athletic but not good real players with real good IQ’s. Bibby, Al, both Crawfords and that’s about it. Athleticism can only take you so far in this league.

My core:
Al or Josh. Not both
JJ
Jordan Crawford
and that’s about it. Everybody else is up for moving.
Since we got LD, we may as well keep him the rest of the year but he’s not the answer I don’t think. I believe this season is all but over for all intents and purposes. We “MIGHT” make the playoffs but even if we do, we will lose the first round for sure.

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“Until the Playoffs Woodson actually had the team motivated”.lol! Guess we better give LD at least that much time then.

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WHAT THIS TEAM NEEDS IS A COACH NOT AS CLOSE WITH THE PLAYERS WHO WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE

THIS MEANS NOT PLAYING PLAYERS WHO SUCK (BIBBY AND MARVIN)

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Thanks for the plan Samuel. I can see your points. I’d be a bit more conservative, but merit your attempt as a viable solution. I’d be tempted to keep Smoove and Al using them at SF and PF, but realize you’d lose the trade value it would take to bring in the types of folks your plan would need. I look forward with too much sentiment. I love this team. I’ve seen it’s potential…and yet I’m so lost for what to think. Oh yeah…I’m embarrassed to be a fan. Definitely will be at Thanksgiving listening to my brothers pound “I told you so” in over and over again like I’m an idiot for believing. Guess I am.

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Josh Smith & Mike Bibby for Danny Granger & Jeff Foster…Indiana would have their young front line set with Josh Smith & Roy Hibbert (Paul George drafted this year as future SF).

Jamal Crawford for Kirk Hinrich.

Hinrich, Johnson, Granger, Horford, Pachulia
Teague/Crawford, Evans, Williams, Powell, Foster/Collins

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At this point, I would lean towards trading Josh. Even though I think he’s the biggest “game changer” we have, he is just too volatile and emotionally draining for our situation. He’s probably our best player but like I said, he and Al together are not a good mix right now. I don’t know if it’s competition to be the local young star or what but it aint working. Josh will probably go on to a great organization and become an all star and we’ll have some regrets but for now, I would lean towards trading him. He’s like a Rodman or Artest that needs a Kobe or Jordan to keep him straight.
We also need a defensive minded PG who can score. Bibby can still help us with his leadership and shooting ability but we need another PG. I’m sure you know that i’m not sold on Teague. I can’t stand Guards who can’t shoot.

I would say start with these names and see what happens.

A Bynum- I know he’s injured a lot but he’s worth the risk
J McGee. It maybe too late on him. Wizards have a gem.
Perkins and Robinson

I know these guys are coming off injuries but they would be worth the gamble.

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By the way, if I have to choose between al and Josh, I choose al. I agree with samuel here. The only way I choose Josh is if we have a superstar player or a great coach who can keep him in check, and help him take his game to the next level.

Woody, LD, and JJ are not able to control Josh. He is not a bad/selfish player, and I like his game a lot, but Josh tends to do whatever Josh wants to do. And when things are not going well, he hangs his head.

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JoJo, ANY team with Zaza as the starting center cant be good.

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Wall 30pts/10 assists/8 reb in the new VISITORS highlight factory.

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Samuel

I’ve been right with Ken all along.
AND:
I’m right here, right now.
No-one’s hiding.

I believe in LD, and I continue to be a Hawks fan.
Same as Ken.
What’s to hide from?

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It’s times like these when I really wish that the Hawks would have selected a coach that was unfamiliar with the players, rather than a pushover assistant. That way, playing time, starting lineups, rotaitons, etc. would be based upon ability, on-court productivity, and work ethic, rather than favoritism and old habbits. When can we get a real coach? Also, when can we get some defensive-minded perimeter players so that we won’t constantly be having to play the blame game on defense?

Will ASG ever wake up and make a trade this season or find another coach?

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I know this is a bit off-topic, but since the result helps the Hawks in the standings, who do you guys hope wins tonight? The Magic or the Heat?

Personally, I’m for the Magic, since a loss for the Heat will tie them with us, record-wise.

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We’d have a pg and a LEADER. Guess I’ll quit dreamin now. lol!

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terrell,

The “long, athletic hybrid thing” could work, at least on the offensive end, but our foolish coach has no idea how to use it. He’d rather manage the offense like we have nothing but flip murry and shooters on the floor.

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Whose team is this?

Al Horford is our best player and the only one on the team who has leadership ability judging from his post game comments, but it seems allowing Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby the freedom to do whatever they want is what this team is geared towards.

I though Drew was going to address this, but apparently not. He is much more like Woody than I thought he was going to be. I am not sure if I am more disturbed by their similarites or that Woody was so bad that someone completely overhauling his offensive philosophies doesn’t change how horrible his overall philosophies were.

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i might be blind but i cant see or dont want to see some of the crap being written. we are not going to change this team .the shots that fell last year for JJ & JAMAL are not falling now the HAWKS ARE being over powered inside .LD HAS TO START COLLINS AGAIN .move josh back to sf .it dont make sense to play bibby jamal joe or teague at the same time with the other team playing 2/7footers and 6/9 sf with 6/5points &shooting guards you will always be on the bottom in rebounding.to help AL &JOSH-until JOE get it going we have to play all our bigs with powell subbing at sf.e.thomas needs playing time with our starters .let joe play the point some situations. we need help at point and inside.but for now pound it inside to al &josh with collins on the floor.use the bench instead complainting about not having one. boston wins it all. with 3point shooting and power inside lead by a good guard

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“By the way, if I have to choose between al and Josh, I choose al. I agree with samuel here. The only way I choose Josh is if we have a superstar player or a great coach who can keep him in check, and help him take his game to the next level.”

I hate this line of reasoning. This is exactly the kind of nonsense people said about Mike Vick. I’m sorry, but when you have a player of elite talent, you don’t trade him for 70 cents on the dollar (which is what Smoove will fetch in a trade) just because you can’t find organizational leadership that can allow him to flourish. You go out and acquire that organizational leadership — whether it’s in the form of a new coach or a more established veteran presence — so that you can get the most out of that player.

Like I said before, Smoove and Al are the only reasons this team even has 8 wins so far. If you want to ship people out, start with the $20 million/year trio of Bibby, Marvin, and Zaza. And after that, I’d rather have the properly paid guy who consistently talks about playing as a team and sharing the ball (Smoove) over the overpaid guy who consistently talks about finding his own shot (Joe).

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“I know this is a bit off-topic, but since the result helps the Hawks in the standings, who do you guys hope wins tonight? The Magic or the Heat?”

Magic, definitely, and that’s regardless of the impact on the Hawks. I want the Heat to lose as much as possible.

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“But it’s not that San Antonio is that much smarter than everyone else. It’s that 70% of the GMs in this league are absolute idiots.

We just happen to have one of the bigger idiots of the bunch.”

Co-sign.

And worse, I can’t remember the last time the Hawks had a good GM, at least in my lifetime.

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The Hawks have enough talent on the roster to win right now!…The only problem is, LD is just like Woody, in one way……..

He doesnt start a true center…Al is not a center..He is a PF and would be easily a top 5 player at that position…Josh is a SF…He would be a top 5 player at the 3…Twin or Zaza should be starting..Bring Marvin off the bench..Marvin only takes around 5 or 6 shots a game……I dont understand why he gets blasted on here everyday..Al is the shortest center in the game..

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LARRY DREW: DO NOT START MARVIN TOMORROW. START TEAGUE IF U MUST. JOHN WALL WILL DESTROY US

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“If we trade Marvin, it better be for a legit 6ft 10 big man who can play..Marvin has plenty of talent..He will easily be a20 ppg SF in the Nba”

Harold Miner had “plenty of talent” too. At some point that talent has to turn into production. It’s been five years. Time to cut losses and move on.

90% of NBA players can drop 20 a game if they get enough shots. The trick is to find the ones who can drop 20 a game and actually make their team better in the process. Nothing Marvin has done in his career indicates that he can do that.

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Interesting to see the ESPN crew spend all game debating what is wrong with the Heat and paying Hawks no mind when Hawks have the same problem as Heat but no big time superstar or big time expectations.

Hawks are sucking it up for real, man. They seem to be playing now to get their coach fired or some players traded. Jamal is playing like he is pouting because he did not get a contract, Joe is playing like he’s got so much money, he doesn’t know what to do with it and that bewilderment is transferring to his game. Hawks as a team are not boxing out, not rebounding either on the offence or defence, they are not fighting for loose balls, passing up open J’s, turning the ball over, can’t defend the pick and roll, can’t play against the zone, the guards are not sticking with their men, resulting in Lopez going nuts on them…

Hawks seems to be giving their opponents free room to shoot or drive uncontested. There is no passion, no energy, no emotion, no joy, no nothing, and that makes me worry about the team I root for.

What is wrong with these guys? This is your job. This is all you do for a living. Go to practice, work on your game, and be mentally and physically sharp to go to work the next day and produce. They don’t even play everyday day or work every year, like us regular people. If the rest of America took so much time off during their jobs like Hawks have been doing, this country would be waaaaaaayyyy worse than it is right now.

Atlanta Hawks players: Please earn your paychecks! Right now I am embarrased to be your fan.

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is anyone watching the heat and magic game, I like wade’s decision making skills down the stretch unlike our max player at least I get to see 2 teams play with effort and will that right now we can dream of

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“I would be happy with a guy who even if he doesn’t/can’t drop 20, he still finds ways to influence a game positively. Give me 10 rebs, great defense, and 10 ppg, while hitting open shots. Is that too much to ask?”

Exactly. All of that is independent of coaching, too. It is really just about Marvin applying himself, which he has beyond proven that he cannot do.

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HOW DO U GIVE JOE A MAX CONTRACT, THE RICHEST IN THE LEAGUE, AND CLAIM IT IS AL AND JOSH’S TEAM. OBVIOUSLY JOE IS JUST AS IMPORTANT. U DON’T PAY SOMEONE THE MAX TO BE A SECONDARY PLAYER, EVEN IF SKILL-WISE HE IS

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Knicks 5 game winning streak – play them Saturday. At least it’s not at home, since apparently we aren’t allowed to win at home anymore.

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JOE SAID WHEN HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT HE WAS UNAWARE OF THE CRITICISMS REGARDING HIM GETTING IT.

WTF. THIS THIS GUY LIVE IN A CAVE? DOES HE CARE?

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Watching a the Jazz/Hornets game. Nice PG battle. I prefer D.Williams but I would take CP3 in a heartbeat…

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ANY CHANCE WE CAN TRADE BIBBY + TEAGUE FOR BENO UDRIH?

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“najeh anyway to cut and paste that article?”

I was hoping someone else here would… I don’t have Insider, so I can’t read it.

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I have a question. If we did not have JJ for the last 5 games, what would our record be?

My point is, if he is hurt, we need to rest him, because we can lose games with him just as much as we can lose without him.

And it might actually be good (a learning experience) for the team to play without JJ, especially since he is hurt and struggling.

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yeah o’b, agree, shaq by now might have said the obvious then called a cancer, malcontent and blamed for what already was. glad for him he didnt come to this fiasco to be made the scape goat for calling a spade a spade. i think he got too much blame in l a, miami and certainly in cleveland where he played his role and seemed to keep quiet.

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All these issues and we still arent the biggest failure in the division so far lol.

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But northcyde,

1) Shaq will disrupt our chemistry
2) Shaq wants too much money
3) He is old and slow, and we are young and athletic
4) He wont fit the motion offense
5) He is injury prone

I’m sure Rick and the ASG (and a lot of the bloggers on here) all came up with these reasons NOT to go after him.

What the ASG should have done is look at the things Shaq could have done for this team.

Is it a risk? Yes. But as AJ said on the other blog. The bigger risk is to keep all the same players and promote the long time assistant.

Oh well. Rick has a chance to make a move before the trade deadline, so we’ll see what he does.

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AMEN TO NORTHCYDE’S 3:32 POST.

ASIDE FROM HORFORD’S DOMINANCE IN COLLEGE AND POWELL’S 2 CHAMPIONSHIPS, NO ONE ON THIS TEAM CAN WIN JACK. IF MARVIN HADN’T MADE A BIG SHOT IN NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, WE WOULD’VE PROBABLY DRAFTED CP3 OR DERON – NO WAIT, WE WOULD’VE DRAFTED SOME FOREIGN 6″9 STIFF WHO WE’D NEVER PLAY OVER THOSE 2 STUD PGS OR GRANGER.

PEOPLE THINK IT’S AL AND JOSH’S TEAM, BUT WE JUST GAVE JOE A MAX CONTRACT.
IT’LL BE ABOUT 1.5 YEARS BEFORE JOE PACKS IT IN AND FAKES INJURIES AND COLLECTS HIS HORRENDOUS PAYCHECK

WE COULD’VE TRADED MARVIN AND BIBBY FOR MONTA ELLIS, WHO AVERAGED LIKE 28 , 5, AND 5 LAST YEAR. INSTEAD WE’RE STUCK WITH THE WORST STARTING PG IN THE NBA AND A SMALL FORWARD WHO AVERAGES LIKE 6 PPG AND 3 REBOUNDS

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IMO you keep Josh and Al and everybody else can be used as trade bait……Something has to be done. Yeah I know we’ll probably beat up un Washington tonight but dont be fooled we are not going to do anything in May with the roster we currently have………….

JJ/Teague/Marvin for Melo/Lawson -Melo signs an extension

Jamal/2nd for Dahntay Jones/Jeff foster

Lawson/Bibby
Dahntay Jones/JC2
Melo/Mo
Josh/J Powel
Horford/Zaza/Foster/Collins

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How the hell is JJ Reddick a better player than Marvin Williams. Dam It Im reading Je Je’s posts to much Lol. Deron Williams would have fit in well here with the grey hounds we have……Dam

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Jeje’s posts are a breath of fresh air

he’s just callin it like it is

stop hatin

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Redick wasn’t better than Marvin when he came in the league. In fact, when he came in the league Redick looked like a total bust (go type “Redick airball layup” in Youtube). But unlike Marvin, Redick has actually WORKED at his game to improve, and now he has become a solid role player for the Magic who can step in as an effective starter every now and then — something at which Marvin fails miserably. So yes, Redick is better than Marvin right now.

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And anyway, it’s not like the Hawks have ever had some amazing locker room chemistry that can’t be f-cked with. If I recall correctly from Sekou’s radio interview, the locker room was split between veterans and young players even before the catastrophe against Orlando in the playoffs.

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“In ATL Shaq would just collect his pay check, pout about playing time and shots and get on with his off court life.”vava .

With Boston, Shaq is averaging 23 mpg. But what happens when Perkins comes back? We could play Shaq 24 mpg. Do you think he would have complained about that?

And Shaq is shooting 67% from the field. So I would give him all the shots he wants. Al is shooting 61%, and he should be getting more shots too.

And we could start Shaq some games, depending on matchups, by going big with Shaq, Al and Josh. Because we keep starting Marvin, only to take him out the game 6 minutes later and put Jamal in.

We dont know if Shaq would have worked. But as Najeh said, he is always tradeable if he doesnt work. And if Shaq was here, do you think things would have been worse than they are now?

We are 8-7, the team has been embarrassing at times, and LD doesnt know what to do.

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THANKS LEWIS. HAPPY THANKSGIVING FAM

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I would LOVE the Hawks to trade #24, but the fact is the rest of league knows what an empty uniform he is. Most of the time other teams don’t even bother guarding him. Was he even on the floor for the Celtics game? He was, but you would only know that by checking the box score. He made a couple of 3s late against the Mavs and the Nets, other than those two events he does WAY more damage the good! I rue the day that he became a Hawk.

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