Atlanta Hawks at New Jersey Nets: ‘Defense is hard.’ Are the Hawks?

Newark, N.J–Over and over the coach preaches defense. He tells his players to execute the coverages, give maximum effort, and stay after it even when (or especially when) things get hard. Most of his preparation time is spent on defense. Pretty much all of his talks are about stopping opponents.

And yet despite all of this, the coach says his team doesn’t do these things to his satisfaction.

Not, I’m not talking about L.D. This was Doc Rivers talking last night before his Celtics waylaid the Hawks. He was asked if things like defensive intensity and focus come from players and not coaches.

“It comes from both. As good as we are at times, last year we were up and down all year. I think that’s a sell every night. It’s just easier to play offense. Defense is hard, and defense is every possession. Defense is hunger and focus and being down on the weak side every single time. It’s amazing how many times we show film of guys standing straight up. It’s hard. Defense is hard. To do it every night is hard to do. As a coach and your whole staff, we harp on it every single day. We could have an 80-point game [allowed] and I could show you 10 times in a game we got lucky and they missed a shot and we were not right. [Defense] comes from all five doing it all the time, where on offense you can have one guy make a shot and it works out for you. Defense, it is just hard.”

While he was saying that I’m thinking: If Doc Rivers has to constantly prod proud, veteran, tough-minded players to get them to do these things, then what chance does L.D. have of getting his younger, volatile, fragile players to play that way?

Mo had the telling quote after last night’s debacle: “The Celtics know who they are. We don’t have an identity, unless it’s when things go bad we go the other way. Maybe that’s out identity and we don’t know it.”

Maybe that’s how it is. Maybe it takes certain kind of players to play the way the Celtics play, and maybe the Hawks don’t have any (or enough) of those players. L.D. says he “very rarely talks about offense” and harps on defense but maybe there’s nothing he can do to make this group of players buy in to that.

“You can look at certain teams with certain players and you can see when the game hits a certain point where players they seem to take over, see certain teams when the game hits a certain point they tighten the screws up,” Drew said before the Boston game. “You can certainly see that. I don’t think we are there yet. I think we have to keep working on it. I do think we can get there. We have the personnel to get there. But we are not quite there.”

The day after

The Hawks players talked after the Celtics game. L.D. said the team met for breakfast this morning and watched video.

“Didn’t want to dwell on it, just wanted to make some points on it and then get ready for New Jersey,” he said.

So I asked Al if he their minds are right.

“We’ll see,” he said. “I’d rather hold all of my thoughts until once we get out here and play. We cant talk about certain stuff but we have to go out there and do it on the floor.”

Smoove took a similar stance on all the talking.

“If that [stuff] penetrates, then we should be good,” he said. “If it gets shrugged off, then maybe not. We are about to see.”

Party time?

L.D. elaborated on his postgame comments last night, in which he seemed to intimate the Hawks are doing too much partying before games.

“I didn’t say party,” he said. “We are not starting the game with a lot of energy. I don’t know if I am practicing them too hard. I don’t know if I am not practicing them hard enough. I don’t know if they are out at night. I don’t know what it is. It is something that is zapping our energy at the very beginning of our ballgame. It is something I have got to figure out what is going on with our team because we are too athletic to start at such a low energy level. Hopefully we will bounce back tonight.”

No rest for J.J.

One of the items the !$%^# blog monster ate last night concerned J.J.’s sore left hand. He got hit on the top of the hand during the preseason and still grimaces and favors it at times.

Good luck trying to get him to reveal how much it’s really bothering him.

“I’ve just got to deal with it,” Joe said. “The only thing that can keep it from hurting is resting but we don’t have time for that. I have to play through it. It’s nothing major.”

The fact that J.J. is wearing that bulky glove on the hand suggests it’s a problem. He said he would continue to wear it (”Got no choice) and that it doesn’t bother his shooting. The hand is not as sore after games when he wears the glove.

L.D. thinks the hand is bothering Joe more than he’s letting on. Would he consider taking the decision from Joe and giving him an extended rest?

“I will consider it, but a high probability of giving him time off? No,” Drew said. “We will probably just try to rest him days that we are not playing, especially when we have a couple days in between. Let him get it treated and keep him out. With those type injuries they always start to feel good and then you get it banged again and it becomes a lingering thing through the season.”

No T-Will for Nets

Nets swingman Terrence Williams (Go Cards) is out for two games due to disciplinary reasons. Dang, T-Will, get it together and rep The Ville right.

MC

376 comments Add your comment

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:26 pm

If the Hawks are getting out rebounded by the Nets, what are they going to do against the Wizards with Blatche and McGee.

keith

November 23rd, 2010
9:27 pm

I already know the blog is going to crucify these Hawks if they lose to the 4-9 nets. Brace yourselves. Oops I already did.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
9:27 pm

F-cking Iso-Joe AGAIN.

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:28 pm

Terrible shot by Joe…

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
9:28 pm

“I already know the blog is going to crucify these Hawks if they lose to the 4-9 nets.”

As we should.

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
9:29 pm

Why is it all isolation when the Hawks run into trouble? Come on, Larry Woodson, where is the “motion” system?

Sautee

November 23rd, 2010
9:29 pm

Yeah and when we iso Joe the rebounders are at a disadvantage.

bigdave

November 23rd, 2010
9:29 pm

had to take the pull up.. Outlaw was giving him the jumper b/c Joe has been taking him off the dribble in that match up..

keith

November 23rd, 2010
9:30 pm

John Wall on Thursday at Phillips. Standing room only? Hope they give some tickets away nobody is going.

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:30 pm

how many times is Bibby going to fall to the floor on the same play???

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
9:31 pm

“had to take the pull up.. Outlaw was giving him the jumper b/c Joe has been taking him off the dribble in that match up..”

My question is though, if Joe is going to wait for the double team to arrive, then why not PASS OUT OF the double team and rotate the ball to an open guy instead of taking a contested jumper?

Either shoot over your man when you are SINGLE teamed, or pass to the open guy if you are DOUBLE teamed. Waiting for two 7 foot arms to get in your face doesn’t make the shot any easier.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
9:31 pm

Nice to see that the Hawks don’t think Devin Harris is worth guarding on the perimeter.

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:32 pm

how did they call that touch foul for the Nets?

Wabe

November 23rd, 2010
9:34 pm

That was a horrible call…

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
9:34 pm

Nice flop by Devin Harris. Game over.

8-1 against bad teams, 0-6 against good teams.

keith

November 23rd, 2010
9:34 pm

@ Najeh I guess they think Devin Harris is Acie Law. Hope John Wall cant play Thursday or it will be embarrassing on National t.v.

ATL FAN

November 23rd, 2010
9:34 pm

Wow, Josh Smith is AWFUL

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:34 pm

That was Joe fault. Why did he pass it to Josh?

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:35 pm

THIS IS A SOFT BASKETBALL TEAM. 1 – 12 , EVERYONE IS SOFT. THE COACHES ARE SOFT. THE GM IS SOFT

I DOUBT WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. IT’S SAD THAT CHRIS WEBBER MIGHT ACTUALLY BE RIGHT

Wabe

November 23rd, 2010
9:35 pm

But, had we taken care of business like we were supposed to, we wouldn’t be in this.

The Hawks don’t deserve paychecks. Pi$$es me off they play like ish and make that fat paycheck…

How many shots did $126 million make in OT?

bigdave

November 23rd, 2010
9:35 pm

they are sticking w/ Outlaw on him… he wasnt waiting for the double team, he was sizing him up to take him off the dribble. play happened on the baseline, Brook was creeping under the basket all while Outlaw was backing further and further away from Joe..

if a double came, of course the basketball needs to rotate..

bs charge call by the way..

ATL FAN

November 23rd, 2010
9:35 pm

Why didn’t Josh pass it back?

J.J.M.

November 23rd, 2010
9:35 pm

thank god for the lockout next season

rusty

November 23rd, 2010
9:36 pm

again i seen harris come down the line & joe just stepped away from him , ran it back in slo mo,seen same thing

stizz

November 23rd, 2010
9:36 pm

It’s gonna be a long season folks. Mr Cunningham would be better off shutting this down and covering the team that plays in the Ga dome. I hear they play with heart.

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:36 pm

ATL Fan,

Now he could have done that to…

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:36 pm

UTAH WAS DOWN 8 WITH 30 SECS LEFT AND BEAT MIAMI. WE COULD DO THAT. OH WAIT – JERRY SLOAN ISN’T OUR COACH

bigdave

November 23rd, 2010
9:37 pm

why did he pass to Josh? huh..

ATL FAN

November 23rd, 2010
9:37 pm

Great play LD, awful team…

keith

November 23rd, 2010
9:37 pm

Im prepping for a long year. Definately not 53win material thats one and done. Wheres Dion Glover when you need him?

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:38 pm

LD SAID WHEN HE POINTS STUFF OUT TO PLAYERS DURING VIDEO SESSIONS, EVERYONE IS QUIET.

LOL

SOFT BASKETBALL TEAM

EVERYONE IS SOFT AND AFRAID OF GETTING HIS [OR HER] FEELINGS HURT

GROW A PAIR

Wabe

November 23rd, 2010
9:38 pm

Packers/Falcons = 4 days away

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:38 pm

Oh well, Hawks should have never been in overtime against these guys any way….

Chillin on paradise island

November 23rd, 2010
9:38 pm

This is pretty sad. At least we got the Falcons!
GO FALCONS!

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
9:39 pm

SMGDH…..The New Jersey Nets put up 104 points on us….I wish they would play some defense every now and then

ATL FAN

November 23rd, 2010
9:39 pm

WOW, Joe Johnson….

keith

November 23rd, 2010
9:39 pm

@ JeJe. after Nate Robinson went off on us last year when he was with the Knicks I definately knew the Hawks were soft.

cp

November 23rd, 2010
9:40 pm

smh it is what it is. this team just aint got it

stizz

November 23rd, 2010
9:40 pm

You talk about pissing off. Joe Johnson is gonna get run out of town keeping this up. He’s the 4th best player on the team

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
9:40 pm

Congratulations, L.D.. You, and your beloved guards, have lost yet another winnable game with isolation jumpers down the stretch. There was one good play run in the overtime period, and that was the Bibby-Horford pick-and-roll, other than that, it was mostly just lucky isolation jump shots and crawford coming off of screens. I would never have imagined that the Hawks would fall to .500 this season. I know we’re not at .500 yet, but with the way things are going right now, we are lucky to even be near .500. Can we start searching for a new player and some defensive-minded wing players now? This is becoming pathetic. At this rate, we may be in the lottery after the season.

bigdave

November 23rd, 2010
9:41 pm

too much Brook Lopez..

Wabe

November 23rd, 2010
9:41 pm

What’s F’n sad is these players lobbied to get Drew here. They praised his style of coaching. They said he knew them and has seen what they need work on.

And they play like they don’t want him to be the guy at the helm…

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:42 pm

Hawks never had the lead in this game and the game was only tied 3 times… Oh yeah, this was against the Nets…

keith

November 23rd, 2010
9:42 pm

Falcons/Packers on Sunday

ATL FAN

November 23rd, 2010
9:42 pm

It seems like it’s the same stuff every week… LD keeps saying his team isn’t playing with enthusiasm, but NOTHING is changing each game, coaching or player wise. If this keeps up LD might need to be fired…

keith

November 23rd, 2010
9:43 pm

Regression with a captial R

HB

November 23rd, 2010
9:43 pm

Would you rather be a bad team with no talent or a bad team with talent? I say trade everyone except Al and start over.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:44 pm

we play @NYK AND @TORONTO ON B2BS. BOTH GAMES AT 1PM. TORONTO HAS BEATEN ORL (AT ORLANDO) AND BOSTON 2 DAYS AGO.

LOL
GOOD LUCK WITH JOHN WALL, HINRICH, MCGHEE, AND BLATCHE

THIS TEAM SUCKS
I AM EMBARRASSED TO BE A HAWKS FAN

bigdave

November 23rd, 2010
9:44 pm

i would’ve stayed w/ the big lineup a bit more..

Collins should be the 2nd big off the bench. had enough of ZaZa.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:44 pm

HORFORD CANT EVEN SAY ANYTHING TONIGHT BECAUSE HE GOT OWNED