Atlanta Hawks at New Jersey Nets: ‘Defense is hard.’ Are the Hawks?

Newark, N.J–Over and over the coach preaches defense. He tells his players to execute the coverages, give maximum effort, and stay after it even when (or especially when) things get hard. Most of his preparation time is spent on defense. Pretty much all of his talks are about stopping opponents.

And yet despite all of this, the coach says his team doesn’t do these things to his satisfaction.

Not, I’m not talking about L.D. This was Doc Rivers talking last night before his Celtics waylaid the Hawks. He was asked if things like defensive intensity and focus come from players and not coaches.

“It comes from both. As good as we are at times, last year we were up and down all year. I think that’s a sell every night. It’s just easier to play offense. Defense is hard, and defense is every possession. Defense is hunger and focus and being down on the weak side every single time. It’s amazing how many times we show film of guys standing straight up. It’s hard. Defense is hard. To do it every night is hard to do. As a coach and your whole staff, we harp on it every single day. We could have an 80-point game [allowed] and I could show you 10 times in a game we got lucky and they missed a shot and we were not right. [Defense] comes from all five doing it all the time, where on offense you can have one guy make a shot and it works out for you. Defense, it is just hard.”

While he was saying that I’m thinking: If Doc Rivers has to constantly prod proud, veteran, tough-minded players to get them to do these things, then what chance does L.D. have of getting his younger, volatile, fragile players to play that way?

Mo had the telling quote after last night’s debacle: “The Celtics know who they are. We don’t have an identity, unless it’s when things go bad we go the other way. Maybe that’s out identity and we don’t know it.”

Maybe that’s how it is. Maybe it takes certain kind of players to play the way the Celtics play, and maybe the Hawks don’t have any (or enough) of those players. L.D. says he “very rarely talks about offense” and harps on defense but maybe there’s nothing he can do to make this group of players buy in to that.

“You can look at certain teams with certain players and you can see when the game hits a certain point where players they seem to take over, see certain teams when the game hits a certain point they tighten the screws up,” Drew said before the Boston game. “You can certainly see that. I don’t think we are there yet. I think we have to keep working on it. I do think we can get there. We have the personnel to get there. But we are not quite there.”

The day after

The Hawks players talked after the Celtics game. L.D. said the team met for breakfast this morning and watched video.

“Didn’t want to dwell on it, just wanted to make some points on it and then get ready for New Jersey,” he said.

So I asked Al if he their minds are right.

“We’ll see,” he said. “I’d rather hold all of my thoughts until once we get out here and play. We cant talk about certain stuff but we have to go out there and do it on the floor.”

Smoove took a similar stance on all the talking.

“If that [stuff] penetrates, then we should be good,” he said. “If it gets shrugged off, then maybe not. We are about to see.”

Party time?

L.D. elaborated on his postgame comments last night, in which he seemed to intimate the Hawks are doing too much partying before games.

“I didn’t say party,” he said. “We are not starting the game with a lot of energy. I don’t know if I am practicing them too hard. I don’t know if I am not practicing them hard enough. I don’t know if they are out at night. I don’t know what it is. It is something that is zapping our energy at the very beginning of our ballgame. It is something I have got to figure out what is going on with our team because we are too athletic to start at such a low energy level. Hopefully we will bounce back tonight.”

No rest for J.J.

One of the items the !$%^# blog monster ate last night concerned J.J.’s sore left hand. He got hit on the top of the hand during the preseason and still grimaces and favors it at times.

Good luck trying to get him to reveal how much it’s really bothering him.

“I’ve just got to deal with it,” Joe said. “The only thing that can keep it from hurting is resting but we don’t have time for that. I have to play through it. It’s nothing major.”

The fact that J.J. is wearing that bulky glove on the hand suggests it’s a problem. He said he would continue to wear it (”Got no choice) and that it doesn’t bother his shooting. The hand is not as sore after games when he wears the glove.

L.D. thinks the hand is bothering Joe more than he’s letting on. Would he consider taking the decision from Joe and giving him an extended rest?

“I will consider it, but a high probability of giving him time off? No,” Drew said. “We will probably just try to rest him days that we are not playing, especially when we have a couple days in between. Let him get it treated and keep him out. With those type injuries they always start to feel good and then you get it banged again and it becomes a lingering thing through the season.”

No T-Will for Nets

Nets swingman Terrence Williams (Go Cards) is out for two games due to disciplinary reasons. Dang, T-Will, get it together and rep The Ville right.

MC

376 comments Add your comment

Rev in Tampa

November 23rd, 2010
8:49 pm

I am impressed with Bibby effort. I even saw the effort last night. He is hustling to stay in front of his man, but his legs just don’t have the quickness. And his 3pt shooting has been impressive.

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm

wdf crawford

Rev in Tampa

November 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm

Jamal is just not the same…

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm

We have a shot at actually winning this game. Can we get Al back in for Powell or Zaza soon?

mykhalc

November 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm

@keith…like so many others here i’ve been here since the birth of this blog and it’s just sad to see we are still strugglin’ with the same issues…no leader and an unbalanced roster!!! i think LD will be ok as HC in time if he is given the right pieces. these just don’t fit…for whatever reason!! and at this point i’m worn out for even carin’ about ‘em!!! they’ll get more support if they find the f’n courage to make change!!!

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
8:51 pm

Oh, and Bibby too.

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
8:53 pm

did anyone see Zaza poke that ball lose from Farmar…then instead of hustling after the rock, he started to run back the other way…in hopes a teammate would get the ball instead and start a break????

rusty

November 23rd, 2010
8:54 pm

did everybody see harris blow by jj on the fast break & he didnt even try to block the shot,made no contact with him at all

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:54 pm

‘Nique said “Jamal’s a competitor”.

Really? isnt every basketball player a competitor? Nique adds nothing to the analysis

cp

November 23rd, 2010
8:54 pm

smdh Teague. The Nets are trying to give them the game and they still cant take the lead

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:54 pm

“did anyone see Zaza poke that ball lose from Farmar…then instead of hustling after the rock, he started to run back the other way…in hopes a teammate would get the ball instead and start a break????”

Seriously, as lacking as that guy is in talent, if he doesn’t hustle he is absolutely useless.

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
8:54 pm

Powell is the true Ronnie Garvin (Hands of Stone)…

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
8:54 pm

JOE SAYS IT’S NOT AFFECTING HIM. THEN WHY DOES HE STILL SUCK EVERY NIGHT

Wabe

November 23rd, 2010
8:54 pm

tired of the Hawks now…

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
8:55 pm

If L.D. sticks with the bench too long (again), and we end up losing this game, I think that he should be forced “to give Joe a blow”.

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
8:55 pm

Yeah that was disappointing.

mykhalc

November 23rd, 2010
8:55 pm

@Rev…that’s ’cause Bibby is a pro. he might not be the player he once was but he understands what it is to be a pro…IMHO

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
8:56 pm

MARVIN’S PLAYED MORE MINUTES THAN JOSH. LOL

cp

November 23rd, 2010
8:56 pm

O’Brien they should just bring The Stinger back or the guy who called the Orlando game. Its already frustrating watching this team, listening to Nique just makes it worse.

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
8:56 pm

I’m kind of worried even if he does put the starters back in though, because with Joe, Jamal, and Josh in at the same time, no one else will ever get a shot and it will be a jump shot parade. Or perhaps, a brick-laying contest.

Sautee

November 23rd, 2010
8:57 pm

O’Brien,

“Nique adds nothing to the analysis”

Yeah but he can always serve as a poor example for broadcasters, LOL!

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
8:57 pm

what???????????
careless T.O. in this situation

bigdave

November 23rd, 2010
8:57 pm

Jamal .. Jamal.. Jamal..

negative play after another..

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
8:57 pm

Enter your comments here

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
8:58 pm

Cold blooded 3 by Morrow

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
8:58 pm

nice to see we’re leaving known 3 pt shooters wide open

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:58 pm

Every time they double team they get burned. These guards are just absolutely pathetic at rotating.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
8:59 pm

JOE IS JUST MESSING UP THIS TEAM. WHAT A FRAUD.

SHIP HIM AND MARVIN TO A LOCAL STORAGE UNIT AND LEAVE THEM THERE UNTIL THEY PROMISE TO ACTUALLY HELP THIS TEAM

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
8:59 pm

Morrow is one of the best 3 point shooters in the league and he’s constantly wide open…..I just don’t understand the defensive awareness and assignments

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:59 pm

This time they double Harris after he receives the handoff and nobody rotates to Lopez.

How f-cking terrible can their rotations on defense get?

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
9:00 pm

Again, other teams are just making the bigger plays down the stretch.

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
9:01 pm

LOL . . gotta love Jamal

It’s like . .
“yeaaaaaaaaahhh”

then . .
“Jamal WTF man?”

hawkfan

November 23rd, 2010
9:01 pm

i know brooke lopez and humphries aren’t allstars or whatever but why don’t we have guys on our team like them that have size and length and can make plays down the stretch

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
9:02 pm

The defense is just plain unacceptable….every team looks like the Phoenix Suns against the Hawks…wide open uncontested jumpers….inability to fight through picks or stay even remotely close to their man….a complete neglect of boxing out….horrible horrible rotations…getting beat constantly off the dribble

rusty

November 23rd, 2010
9:02 pm

ha jj if you cant get around them just knock them down,idiot

cp

November 23rd, 2010
9:03 pm

The Hawks cant get over the hump. The Nets practically tried to give them the game and turnovers , more turnovers, no rotations, and missed three throws, pretty much kept them from taking the lead

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
9:04 pm

Huge possession right here, with a chance to cut it to a one-possession game. The Hawks may not receive another opportunity.

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
9:04 pm

The Hawks take too many jumpshots….7 FTs for the game???? Team is too athletic for that…take these fools off the dribble and attack

Rev in Tampa

November 23rd, 2010
9:04 pm

The Hawks with only 7 free throw attempts

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:05 pm

LOL, LD was ging to put Marvin in before the TV timeout then decide to leave him on the bench after the commerical….

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
9:05 pm

There is really something to be said for having a guard who can confidently take any defender off the dribble on a pick and roll. Devin Harris is that guy. The closest the Hawks have to someone like that is Teague, who never plays with enough confidence to be trusted.

bigdave

November 23rd, 2010
9:05 pm

Melvin.. he took the wrist brace off @ halftime, he started the game with it on..

lol@ Popeye Jones on the Nets coaching staff..

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
9:06 pm

I think the offense may be the culprit for the poor play….it creates open shots but they are always jumpshots…

we need some plays towards the basket to take advantage of our athleticism and to get some Free Throws….it’s easier to play defense off made baskets and especially off made free throws

cp

November 23rd, 2010
9:06 pm

There just has to be another job they can give Nique.

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
9:07 pm

First team to 96 wins this game

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
9:07 pm

bigdave,

thanks. i didnt noticed that…

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
9:08 pm

Josh and Al are starting to carry the Hawks, once again. The rotations on defense by the team, overall, have been awful though. That needs to improve for us to win this one.

Sautee

November 23rd, 2010
9:08 pm

Najeh,

LD needs to put Marvin back in so JJ can guard Harris. Or take a chance with Teague, cuz Jamal and Bibby can’t stop him.

rusty

November 23rd, 2010
9:08 pm

yea nortcyde your boy jj is really shining yea pick on jc1

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
9:09 pm

“LD needs to put Marvin back in so JJ can guard Harris. Or take a chance with Teague, cuz Jamal and Bibby can’t stop him.”

I honestly don’t think Joe will stop Harris either. The Hawks just don’t have that guy. Teague makes too many mistakes right now to be trusted in crunch time.