Atlanta Hawks at New Jersey Nets: ‘Defense is hard.’ Are the Hawks?

Newark, N.J–Over and over the coach preaches defense. He tells his players to execute the coverages, give maximum effort, and stay after it even when (or especially when) things get hard. Most of his preparation time is spent on defense. Pretty much all of his talks are about stopping opponents.

And yet despite all of this, the coach says his team doesn’t do these things to his satisfaction.

Not, I’m not talking about L.D. This was Doc Rivers talking last night before his Celtics waylaid the Hawks. He was asked if things like defensive intensity and focus come from players and not coaches.

“It comes from both. As good as we are at times, last year we were up and down all year. I think that’s a sell every night. It’s just easier to play offense. Defense is hard, and defense is every possession. Defense is hunger and focus and being down on the weak side every single time. It’s amazing how many times we show film of guys standing straight up. It’s hard. Defense is hard. To do it every night is hard to do. As a coach and your whole staff, we harp on it every single day. We could have an 80-point game [allowed] and I could show you 10 times in a game we got lucky and they missed a shot and we were not right. [Defense] comes from all five doing it all the time, where on offense you can have one guy make a shot and it works out for you. Defense, it is just hard.”

While he was saying that I’m thinking: If Doc Rivers has to constantly prod proud, veteran, tough-minded players to get them to do these things, then what chance does L.D. have of getting his younger, volatile, fragile players to play that way?

Mo had the telling quote after last night’s debacle: “The Celtics know who they are. We don’t have an identity, unless it’s when things go bad we go the other way. Maybe that’s out identity and we don’t know it.”

Maybe that’s how it is. Maybe it takes certain kind of players to play the way the Celtics play, and maybe the Hawks don’t have any (or enough) of those players. L.D. says he “very rarely talks about offense” and harps on defense but maybe there’s nothing he can do to make this group of players buy in to that.

“You can look at certain teams with certain players and you can see when the game hits a certain point where players they seem to take over, see certain teams when the game hits a certain point they tighten the screws up,” Drew said before the Boston game. “You can certainly see that. I don’t think we are there yet. I think we have to keep working on it. I do think we can get there. We have the personnel to get there. But we are not quite there.”

The day after

The Hawks players talked after the Celtics game. L.D. said the team met for breakfast this morning and watched video.

“Didn’t want to dwell on it, just wanted to make some points on it and then get ready for New Jersey,” he said.

So I asked Al if he their minds are right.

“We’ll see,” he said. “I’d rather hold all of my thoughts until once we get out here and play. We cant talk about certain stuff but we have to go out there and do it on the floor.”

Smoove took a similar stance on all the talking.

“If that [stuff] penetrates, then we should be good,” he said. “If it gets shrugged off, then maybe not. We are about to see.”

Party time?

L.D. elaborated on his postgame comments last night, in which he seemed to intimate the Hawks are doing too much partying before games.

“I didn’t say party,” he said. “We are not starting the game with a lot of energy. I don’t know if I am practicing them too hard. I don’t know if I am not practicing them hard enough. I don’t know if they are out at night. I don’t know what it is. It is something that is zapping our energy at the very beginning of our ballgame. It is something I have got to figure out what is going on with our team because we are too athletic to start at such a low energy level. Hopefully we will bounce back tonight.”

No rest for J.J.

One of the items the !$%^# blog monster ate last night concerned J.J.’s sore left hand. He got hit on the top of the hand during the preseason and still grimaces and favors it at times.

Good luck trying to get him to reveal how much it’s really bothering him.

“I’ve just got to deal with it,” Joe said. “The only thing that can keep it from hurting is resting but we don’t have time for that. I have to play through it. It’s nothing major.”

The fact that J.J. is wearing that bulky glove on the hand suggests it’s a problem. He said he would continue to wear it (”Got no choice) and that it doesn’t bother his shooting. The hand is not as sore after games when he wears the glove.

L.D. thinks the hand is bothering Joe more than he’s letting on. Would he consider taking the decision from Joe and giving him an extended rest?

“I will consider it, but a high probability of giving him time off? No,” Drew said. “We will probably just try to rest him days that we are not playing, especially when we have a couple days in between. Let him get it treated and keep him out. With those type injuries they always start to feel good and then you get it banged again and it becomes a lingering thing through the season.”

No T-Will for Nets

Nets swingman Terrence Williams (Go Cards) is out for two games due to disciplinary reasons. Dang, T-Will, get it together and rep The Ville right.

MC

376 comments Add your comment

rob

November 23rd, 2010
8:26 pm

We have all this money commited to Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Al Horford, and Marvin. This reminds me of the Hawks back when they were 2nd round wonders with Steve Smith, Mookie, Christian Laettner, and Dikembe Mutumbo. They couldnt get past the second round and they were sometimes kicked out of the first. This team may have a coaching problem, but this core stuff has gone on too long now. We need a star, and Joe is not it. I feel like the only untouchable person on this roster is Al Horford because Joe Johnson is not getting traded because of his MEGA deal. Trade Josh, Jamal, Marvin, and Twin to Nuggets for Carmelo and Nene.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:27 pm

Josh Smith: 4-6 inside the paint, 1-5 outside the paint.

J.J.M.

November 23rd, 2010
8:27 pm

WOW THE DEFENSE

J.J.M.

November 23rd, 2010
8:28 pm

THIS TEAM IS JUST PURE GARBAGE

cp

November 23rd, 2010
8:28 pm

Looks like Josh is frustrated with Marvin

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
8:29 pm

Jordan needs a nickname. I’ll start calling him the “Allspark” . . . the energy cube from Transformers.

Drew, just put the Allspark in.

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
8:29 pm

Does Josh even understand the meaning of boxing out?

rob

November 23rd, 2010
8:30 pm

Hawks are making me sick

cp

November 23rd, 2010
8:30 pm

Its amazing that the Hawks cant do something as simple as BOXING OUT

Melvin

November 23rd, 2010
8:31 pm

What make me mad about Joe is, he wore that stupid brace on his hand against Boston and Dallas (after a 3 day break from previous game) now against the Nets he decide not to wear it…. Conspiracy, t…

rusty

November 23rd, 2010
8:31 pm

i am really trying to like ld,getting hard

leedsatlanta

November 23rd, 2010
8:31 pm

Where the hell is Jordan? we need a spark!

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:31 pm

Really LD? Thats the play you call out of a timeout?

JJ dribble for 20 seconds, then pass to Josh for a 3 pointer?

Sautee

November 23rd, 2010
8:32 pm

rusty,

ewwww. ;-)

welikebaseball2

November 23rd, 2010
8:32 pm

Yep, I guess this “new” offense does feature jumper after jumper from our 4 & 5…wow again…

rusty

November 23rd, 2010
8:33 pm

who can believe jj,he cant face the pressure of taking all that dough

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:33 pm

Josh Powell shows that even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in a while. Awful shot selection, but good thing it went in.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:33 pm

And thats where Bibby costs us

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
8:34 pm

can’t even beat the nets….smh

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:35 pm

This time of the night, I didnt know the bank was open

cp

November 23rd, 2010
8:35 pm

I honestly didnt realize that Marvin was on the court smh… Powell is doing work and Josh Smith is settling for jumpers instead of going in the paint. Good move to sit him

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:36 pm

I think Hawks win this game. And then LD will talk about showing signs of maturity blah blah blah.

But its still the nets.

Sautee

November 23rd, 2010
8:36 pm

O’B,

Must have been a supermarket bank, lol!

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
8:36 pm

Coach needs to throw a clipboard or something….forget the Tony Dungy approach….go Jon Gruden Bill Cowher on these fools

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:36 pm

cp,

LD takes out one jump shooting PF (Josh Smith) for another jump shooting PF (Powell).

We need somebody to bang inside.

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
8:37 pm

Interesting. The Hawks are actually performing better with Josh out of the game. That was the first good move that L.D. has made tonight. With Josh and Jamal out of the game, there’s more offensive variety with Horford actually getting involved. Horford and Bibby play well together. When both of them are in the game, that’s pretty much the only time the Hawks ever run pick-and-roll or pick-and-pop. L.D. needs to play them together more often.

keith

November 23rd, 2010
8:37 pm

Go Bristol Palin!

rob

November 23rd, 2010
8:38 pm

Duck sighting!

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:39 pm

3:45 into the 3rd quarter, and Nique finally says “nimbers”.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:39 pm

Man, the Nets are bad. 3 on 1 fast break, and they settle for a 3 pointer.

From Jordan Farmar no less, who is struggling with his shot.

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
8:40 pm

Joe Johnson takes way too long to make a move.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:41 pm

I wonder why the Nets don’t play Favors more. He looked pretty good in his limited minutes.

Sautee

November 23rd, 2010
8:41 pm

LOL at ‘Nique: Mike wanted to give Joe a blow.

Mike??????

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
8:42 pm

O’Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:39 pm

Man, the Nets are bad. 3 on 1 fast break, and they settle for a 3 pointer.

From Jordan Farmar no less, who is struggling with his shot.

………………

and they are currently still beatin us….sad

mykhalc

November 23rd, 2010
8:42 pm

i’m not even watchin’ but i know one thing…BREAK ‘EM UP!!! experiment is declared dead!!! the study is over!!! 3yrs plus…we know ENOUGH!!!!! there is no alpha dog in this group…all wanna-be’s!!!! send ‘em all somewhere else where they will THEN assume their proper place in the pack…as a non-leader!!!! JJ to the Knicks anyone!!! Marvin to Portland!!! etc etc etc

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
8:42 pm

One thing is for sure….we don’t look as bad as the Miami Heat

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:42 pm

Wow. Marvin actually made a 3.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:43 pm

Marvin. he is on the court after all

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
8:43 pm

Oh no, here comes Zaza. Cross your fingers, guys. This could get ugly quick.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:43 pm

“LOL at ‘Nique: Mike wanted to give Joe a blow.

Mike??????”

LMAO… I heard that too. Doesn’t Joe already have a stripper who does that?

Rev in Tampa

November 23rd, 2010
8:44 pm

Powell is not in the game to take jumpers. He is not looking to pass. It seems that he is only playing to put some numbers in his stat line.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:44 pm

This is just a mentally weak team. The Nets have been rolling out the welcome mat to let the Hawks back into this game and the Hawks just refuse.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
8:45 pm

Nice offensive board by Powell. On the rare occasions he does something right, I’ll give him credit.

keith

November 23rd, 2010
8:45 pm

@ mykhalc. If this season is a disastor, then Hawks makeover 2 begins.

cp

November 23rd, 2010
8:46 pm

Needed those free throws

Patrick

November 23rd, 2010
8:47 pm

@Najeh,

“…Doesn’t Joe already have a stripper who does that?”

LMAO. That’s the best line I’ve heard tonight.

YoDaddy

November 23rd, 2010
8:47 pm

When it rains it pours….I think the team needs something positive to happen to get a jolt of confidence….that’s seems to be lacking

Sautee

November 23rd, 2010
8:48 pm

keith,

You’re showing your youth. That would be makeover 12 for me.

rusty

November 23rd, 2010
8:48 pm

how come we always leave everybody open for 3 ’s & they always make them, we sure are lazy

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
8:49 pm

Hey guys, you know how sometimes a change of environment (trade), or different role with the team (starter vs. bench player) can cause a player’s performance to increase.

Marvin Williams is DEFINITELY not starters material and I think his course in ATL has ran out, but does anyone get the feelin that he could be a guy that comes off someones bench in a limited role and provide them with some defense and ability to knock down big jumpers.

He could be an attractive trade asset to others, but he needs to go away from the Hawks.