Atlanta Hawks: Jamal Crawford’s ‘instant offense’ on slow drip

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Jamal is a great guy. There’s no doubt about that. Cool he reads the blog, too.

All that being said…he has to start playing better. He’s proving all the NBA “experts” right. All you heard this summer was that Jamal will have a really good year and then drop back. So far, that’s what he has done.

And, really, I was upset when Coach Drew put him back in the game on Saturday. He should have stuck with Jordan Crawford. Jordan was playing alot, not a little, A LOT better than Jamal.

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Crawford will be Crawford. I’m more concerned about the guy ahead of him in the depth chart.

If JJ’s hand is injured, he needs to get shut down. Now. Nagging injuries like that rarely get better except through rest. If that means shutting JJ down for 2 weeks, fine. This is the time to do it, what with the weak schedule we face starting tomorrow and continuing through next Friday. If that means we lose 2-3 games we otherwise would win, fine. I don’t care how many games we win now. What I care about is having a healthy roster come April and May. The offense will go merrily along without JJ. Heck, maybe the absence of JJ will jolt Marvin and Jamal out of their offensive torpor and give Jordan Crawford some in-game experience he otherwise would have trouble getting. That could make us even stronger than we otherwise would have been.

Players rarely bench themselves due to nagging injuries (unless your name is T-Mac). Coaches have to do it for them. From the sources I’ve heard, MC, players don’t like to be perceived as unwilling to play through pain. Certainly, history is littered with players who have tried to “play through” a nagging injury only to aggravate it, to the long-term detriment of themselves and their team. So it’s on LD and the other Hawks staff to tell JJ that he’s getting shut down for as long as it takes for his hand to heal. Better for him to miss 5 games now than 10 games in March or April.

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I agree with Niremetal’s comments about JJ needing to sit to heal. His shot is off. Maybe he can take a week or two, practice his shooting, and return to the team. I especially like the idea of other players being forced to step up.

The way JJ is playing so far this season I think the Hawks will only have two All-Stars – Josh and Al.

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I think that we’re 13 games in and every player is searching for their spot. LD’s system is new and what our guys really need to do the most is stop themselves from reverting to their old habits. i.e. Iso-ball, switching defenses, and every man for himself. The one thing about Craw’s game that you have to like is that he can play 1, 2 or 3… however, I like to think of him as a OG. The problem is that we give him the ball but at the same time, we put him in a position where he’s muzzled. LD has to find a way to make this offense truly uptempo. If he does that, then Crawford will thrive and so will Smith. However, if he keeps it as an opportunistic uptempo (which is really the walk it up stuff we see) then he can expect more of us trying to go one on one and Smoove putting up more wide open jumpers instead of side to side ball movement. Before we got Craw, he was one of the best at getting to the line. Why has he not be so great at that (per 48) lately? Maybe it’s because we have muzzled him and we don’t let him go to the basket with the ball anymore. If there’s any word for Crawford it’s this: Bring back the drive through the lane with the shake and bake. Don’t settle for the jump shot.

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Shouldn’t “don’t settle for the jumpshot” be our team motto?

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One of the ugliest things in basketball is to see Crawford trying to pass. He turn is over like crazy and seems very uncomfortable in that role. He’s a one-dimensional player (scorer), but not very productive. His career gives you a good idea. He’s got to go very soon. BYE BYE.

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JOE JOHNSON NEEDS TO START DUNKING. ITS AN INTIMIDATION FACTOR.
PLEASE JOE…..DO IT FOR YOUR FANS AND THE CITY OF ATLANTA. A DUNK FROM JOE WOULD IGNITE THE CROWD MORE SO THEN WHEN JOSH DOES. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE START DUNKING J-J-J-J-JOE JOHNSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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MATTER OF FACT….DUNK ON RAY ALLEN AND PAUL PIERCE TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!

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This new offense seems to be hurting his effectiveness. Jamal will adjust and play better he’s just going through a ruff stretch right now. We all know Jamal’s work the players that concern me are:

JJ- Definitely not living up to his mega pay day, Hurt,new offense,new coach- WHATEVA the man is currently stealing money and will do so for the next 4 years-talk about handicapping a franchise.

Marvin -” I am David Blain” I disappear for 5 games and then I surface for a 20 pointer. This man is not intrested in gettn better-08 was a fluke becuz he wanted a big payday. This guy’s a clown and we made a mistake paying him 7.5 milli per

Teague is really no better than AC law-He looks lost and the offense stalls when he comes in the game. Did I mention he cant shoot a lick -He hasnt hit 5 jumpers all season. I would have gladly given Marvin and the #20 pick to move up and get Jennings.

Props to Smoove and Al for giving it their all every night. If Josh continues to play this way he should definitely be starting in Feb. All Star game….. Now that he’s hitting his jumpers consistently I have no complaints about Josh,hes becoming what I thought he would be.

JJ 21 mill Smoove11 Al 12 Marvin7.5

Josh is our best player right now no way JJ should be making 10 a year more, what has he done this season besides the 1 30 point game.

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In Joe’s defense, he’s dunked a few times more already this year than all last year. His lack of taking it to the rack goes back to the facial injury he got in PHO. We need him healthy, healed and he’ll be fine.

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David Blain and a few others may dissappear by Feb if things don’t change. If the Hawks really like their team they better start listening to LD and gel quickly. If not breaking it down and retooling will be in order.

So close, yet so very, very far away it seems.

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@Fundamentals OK, THAT INJURY HAPPENED LIKE 7 YEARS AGO. HE’S STILL NOT OVER IT YET? I TORE MY ACL AND HAD SURGERY. GRANITE, I STILL AM A LITTLE HESITANTE WHEN I GO OUT TO PLAY BUT IM NOT GETTING PAID 121 MILL SOoooo?!?!?!?!?

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Another way not signing another wing could hurt us, is JJ is our best SF on this team, so if he has to sit, that means more minutes for Marvin or Mo.

But I agree with nire. If he’s hurt, now is the time to rest it.

We see it in baseball all the time (players playing hurt). Over the last 2 years, we saw it first hand on the Braves. Heyward, Troy Glaus, Prado, and Schafer were all hurt at one time or another. But they insisted on going out there game after game. They struggled, and the team struggled.

If JJ is hurt, LD needs to make the decision to cut his minutes back, or sit him, allowing him to heal.

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Brooks won’t fix the defensive issues we have at 6′0″

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MC we can all tell Joe’s hand bothers him and that he’s generally under the weather. Dude needs to recoup and come back with fire.

Dude – JJ’s injury is not an excuse for him. We don’t need dunks, we need scoring, leadership and solid defense. Right now we’re getting none from JJ. Contract aside people, he needs to be 100%. Sit him till he is healthy.

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The offensive scheem suits Joe just fine, he is getting plenty of open and easy shot attempts, he’s missing them, but the scheme isn’t a problem for Joe. Jamal? Well, who didn’t see that as a likely mismatch before the season started? Oh yeah, Sund didn’t see that. Jamal is like a square peg being asked to fit into a round hole in his walk year (with a new CBA on the horizon). You’d have to stubbornly ignore the factors not to forecast problems.

Hawks need a win tonight to stop from going 2-6 after the 6-0 start. Emotions always run high when we battle the evil men in green.

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@Fundamentals…im not talking about just this year alone. How about the last five years and the next six?…come on!!

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MC thanks for asking…

I like to read the entire blog and follow the discussion as it unfolds. So I click on the blog, scroll down on my blackberry to the comments, but then I have to reclick on the ’show all’ button, rescroll down my blackberry to the comments. If I post a response on the blog, then the page reverts to the ‘last ten comments’ page. So I have to reclick on the ’show all’ button and rescrool down my blackberry to the comments. If I post again then I have to go through this process again…

This makes posting a comment during a game very cumbersome. It is impossible to post a comment on a play during a game since I am always a few minutes late with this new format.

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HORFORD NEEDS MORE PLAYS RUN FOR HIM. HIS OFFENSE IS SOLID THIS YEAR. RUN THE GUY SOME PLAYS. PUT HIM IN POSITION TO SCORE

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Amen jeje

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Jamal’s not going to admit it, but that “turf toe” that he had earlier in the season has to still be bothering him. If he had that, it takes a long time (and rest) to recover from it. Look how long it affected Matt Ryan. If it was his right big toe, that’s the one he pushes off when he goes up for a jumper, and I’m sure he feels it every time. That’s why I believe his shot is off.

I hope that he can bounce back tonight – we need him because he is the Celtics killer.

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JeJe, I disagree with your assessment. The Hawks have the ability as currently constructed to compete at the highest levels in the NBA. The problem is they have not yet desired to. Admittedly I haven’t been able to watch many of the games this year, but when I have I have rarely seen them exert themselves. I have seen more energy on the part of the other teams.

I was hoping that Josh Powell and Etan Thomas would help toughen up the mentality in practice, but it hasn’t happened.

The Hawks, in my opinion, are only a ‘desire’ away from moving to the next level.

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MORE DUNKS PLEASE!!!!!!!!

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WE NEED BROOKS

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Yeah, this new blog formt does suck azz….the comments and blog itself are superb (MC azz kiss for a sec) but having the newest post 1st takes away from reading the previous posts and is hell on a smartphone…that’s why I am only hear as I have some play time at the J.O.B.

Anyways, I think Jamal has done a great job buying into the system and his shots will find their way as well as Joe. My problem and the problem with this team is defense an rebounding. Woody had his offensive shortcomings (pun intended) but when were winning it was about D and Boards. Now we look like a much better offensive team that can’t rebound or play defense. Both takes effort and desire….which says a ton about our character right now.

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Team Captains are responsible for holding their teammates accountable for effort and assignments. When will they notice they are wearing a C and begin enforcing LD’s message?

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THE HORNETS HAVE PROBABLY ONE OF THE WORST FRONT OFFICES AND FINANCIAL SITUATIONS IN SPORTS. SO WHY ARE THEY MAKING 2 GREAT TRADES IN THE LAST 3 MONTHS AND WE DON’T MAKE TRADES THAT MEAN ANYTHING FOR 2 YEAR INTERVALS?

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Rebounding…

It appears to me when I have watched the games that most of the Hawks are so intent on getting back for transition defense that only one person is left to fight for an offensive rebound. Several times on Saturday there were four Mavs to get a defensive rebound while ALL the Hawks had already retreated for defense. Little wonder we are getting outrebounded on the offensive glass.

On defense I saw the Hawks standing around when the ball was shot by the Mavs. I did witness Josh and Al go after the ball, but I can’t remember anybody boxing out.

It seems to me if the Hawks are going to be content to score off their motion offense in a half-court set (and they are getting good looks at the basket) then they should send five guys to the glass, get the rebound, and walk the ball across half-court to start the offense.

There are times when a fast-break offense is best, and the Hawks’ athleticism is well-suited for a fast-break offense, but when you have an efficient and effective half-court offense, then get rebounds as a priority and set your offense. Fast-breaks, then, can be used as an great change of pace to keep the other team back on their heels.

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If Jamal’s shooting percentage THIS year trends upward as the team becomes more aware of how teams are defending against this offense, it will portend good things for the Hawks.

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This may not be the year we go all the way, and we may need a different final lineup to do it, but finally we are seeing a team TRY. Try to learn the offense, try to pass, try to have more grit and heart. I was excited last year because we were winning. I am excited this year because of the effort which will translate to winning those BIG games.

And let us not forget Jamal’s slump in the middle of last year, and then he comes back to win “Sixth Man of the Year.” Its hard to play at that level. Show some love.

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The Hawks missed so many open uncontested fg attempts it wasn’t funny.They score just a few more of those open looks in their gym and it’s a double digit win. They have way too many legitiment zone busters to shoot as poorly as they did saturday.

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THIS TEAM HAS GIVEN UP 100+ POINTS TO MINNESOTA (TWICE), PHILLY, MEMPHIS, MILWAUKEE.

LOL. THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TEAMS U BEAT 105-70 LIKE THE LAKERS DID TO GSW LAST NIGHT. INSTEAD, WE EXERT ALL OUR ENERGY BEATING SCRUB TEAMS

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THANK YOU DOC. I AM NOT NEGATIVE – I AM TRUTHFUL. AND I DO THINK WE CAN REACH THE 2ND ROUND IF WE FIGURE OUT OUR DEFENSE, BUT WE WILL GET ASSAULTED BY ORLANDO OR BOSTON IN THE 2ND ROUND.

I FORGOT TO REITERATE EARLIER:

WE NEED TO COMMIT MORE HARD FOULS. WE NEED TO PICK CONFRONTATIONS, TO SHOW WE HAVE A BACKBONE. EVERYONE ON THIS TEAM IS TOO DAMN QUIET AND NON-CONFRONTATIONAL. WE NEED MORE MATT BARNES’ AND KEVIN GARNETTS (MINUS HIS HORRENDOUS COMMENTS), NOT MARVIN WILLIAMS AND JEFF TEAGUES

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doc, I’ll grant you the bench depth issue. Zaza was awful. He put forth effort against Dallas, but he was spastic and out of control. Jamal had an awful night. It was summed up by his missed reverse layup. Everybody else on the bench was invisble.

What I can’t figure out, however, is how the bench looked so good at the beginning of the season, but consistently so bad now.

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@doc & Jeje – You guys need to come to some kind of compromise on the ‘no caps’ and ‘ALL CAPS’. Too much cognitive dissonance. Its making my head hurt.

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rev, ummm let me try; level of competition, or they sank back down to earth, as starters?

heh heh, i caught jeje being more positive than me. roto rooter may be necessary jeje to get this team to play better defense. still one and done until i see something consistently suggesting otherwise.

look if kobe can play with a hand falling off, ok a finger that was to require surgery which he has refused and a knee that requires surgery then i expect jj to at least give it back on defense and doing some work on the boards. find a way to contribute big and do the dirty work.

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I just don’t see it happening. JJ needs a time to focus and get his head on straight. Dude is hurting, physically and emotionally. He’s just not the same. Hopefully he’ll use this adversity to learn more about himself and come out of it refined.

We’ve got great pieces, it’s just a lack of leadership, effort and professionalism. Check the C on your chest tonight Josh & Al. Lead this team to a W with heart, effort and character. Leave it on the court this time.

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MC,

Lost a post to the blog monster. Can you release it please?

Also, I concur with Rev in Tampa’s complaints about the format. It makes posting during a game MUCH less enjoyable. And I’m struggling to see the benefit of having it the way it has been reconfigured.

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I still cant believe Jamal reads our outrageous comments. lol! But if he is reading this: Jamal, SUCK IT UP AND PLAY BALL. YOU ARE UNDER A CONTRACT THAT YOU SIGNED. PLAY LIKE YOU PLAYED LAST YEAR, AND TRUST ME, YOU’LL GET YOUR $. Thanks. Go Hawks!

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MannyT, thanks. Just what I needed. Got any tylenol?

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FUNDAMENTALS I DON’T MIND KG RUNNING HIS MOUTH, BUT THE CANCER COMMENT WAS UNCALLED FOR. AND HIS METHOD OF COVERING IT UP WAS A JOKE TOO

FIRE WOODY

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Rev,

One reason the bench looked good at the beginning of the season is because our first 6 games were against lottery teams. Memphis, Philly, Washington etc. But when they go up against the benches of Utah, Dallas, Phoenix etc, our bench has not lived up to par.

Etan has been hurt for a while, so I did not expect much from him. And although Powell is a “great locker room presence”, his basketball skill is lacking.

But I blame Rick Sund. 2 years ago, Brandon Bass was a restricted FA, and we didnt make an offer (we had the MLE available). Last year, Big Baby was available, and we did not make an offer (we had the MLE available). This offseason, Matt Barnes was a FA, and we didnt make an offer (Again, we had the MLE available).

There have been solid backups available. But we keep trying to find a diamond in the rough when it comes to our backups. And it hasn’t happened. But look for Rick to go cheap again next season, when the contracts of Jamal, Mo, Twin, Powell and Etan are up.

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@Rev-add the hostage type to the blackberry scrolling and this blog could give you a headache. I won’t do that again (today) it’s too much trouble. Blogging on my blackberry is a pain. I prefer twitter during games. However, if you stick w/the ‘berry blogging use B to get to the bottom quickly and T to get to the top quickly. It won’t remove the pain, but it does speed things up.

This shortcuts page may help as well.

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A lost tonight means that we’re 2-6 after the 6-0 start. I don’t consider this the most mentally tough bunch in professional sports. This team needs a good win against a good team starting tonight.

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“Check the C on your chest tonight Josh & Al. Lead this team to a W with heart, effort and character.” Fundamentals .

Josh and Al did all you could ask for against Dallas, and it still wasnt enough. We need somebody else to step up.

Teague did not get much PT against Nate last season, so I would like to see him get a few minutes against him. Teague’s fast, but he needs to play smart to keep up with Nate and not foul him.

MC,

I have the same issues with the new blog format. I dont think any of our bloggers are happy with it.

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Might I see any of you real fans at the game tonight? I hope the Hawks fans outnumber the green gremlins in the crowd.

@O’Brien

I don’t see the ASG spending any more money unless the team does better…so you may have seen the short term peak. Not being negative, but we get an odd deal being in the same division with Orlando & Miami. We could have the 3rd or 4th best record and not have a 1st round home court situation b/c we don’t win the division.
Rule explained here.

Remember last year, we had to have a better record than the Celtics to get 3rd seed? There is no love for 3rd place team in a division, even if their record is better than other division winners.

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MannyT,

We could still be the fifth seed and have homecourt advantage against the 4th seed if we have a better W-L record (which is what I think will happen).

The top 3 seeds (imo) will be Orlando, Boston and Miami (in some order). The central division winner (Milwaukee or Bulls imo) will be the fourth seed.

But if the Hawks have a better record than the Bulls or Bucks, we will have homecourt against them.

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I believe the new blog style was done for hockey fans whose lingo includes the goalie’s location disorientation favorite Standing on his head explained below from wikipedia (also on the Phoenix Coyotes site.) Isn’t that how I’m supposed to read this blog!

This is a term to describe an outstanding performance by an ice hockey goaltender in a short period of time. Often when a goalie lets out a rebound, the opposition returns the shot quickly, and the goalie has to make a quick save. A goalie often falls on his side and “stacks the pads” and appears to nearly stand on their head. The term may have been derived after NHL President Frank Calder, alluding to the 1918 rules change that permitted goalies to leave their feet to make a save, remarked, “As far as I am concerned, they can stand on their head(s)

Doesn’t really fit basketball, but ok for other sports with goalies…trivia transmission end

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There are alot of blind fans in the ATL. This is not a very good basketball team folks. Like it or not but Mike Woodson is a better coach than Larry Drew. The only thing I didn’t like about Woodson is that he was too stern and he showed favortism toward certain players. I can assure you that if they(owner/gm) had gotten Woodson a true pg(facilitator) and a center they would have gone further in the playoffs.

The only reason LD install a motion offense is because they don’t a facilitator(pg) who has the ability to create scoring opportunities for the team. We need a pg who can get you10 to 12 assists a game. We do not have a Michael Jordan, Larry Bird or a Kobe Bryant who can create scoring opportunities for themselves and score when they need to.

This team is not built and coach well enough to compete against quality teams. I’m looking forward to the 2011 nba draft. I know it’s too early to evaluate players but I see 2 high IQ basketball players who could help the hawks next season.

1) Nolan Smith(pg) This young man is very intelligent. He’s a little raw but he is an excellant passer and defender. He has good size(6′3)
2) Jimmer Fredette(pg) This young man is a playmaker. He is a terrific passer and he knows how to get to the foul line. Outstanding free throw shooter.

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@O’Brien
Unless I read the rule wrong in that NBA link, the best record of a non division winner can move up, but that is the only one. If we have a good record, but fall behind the Magic & the Heat — no seeding adjustment.

To get poetic

Sloppy seconds may get extra love
Finish 3rd, the (proctologist’s) glove

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Rev., the intangibles have yet to change (IMO). LD came in recognizing the need to work those intangibles. He talked about accountability in many of his early interviews. It’s much, much too early to declare a verdict, maybe even too early to notice a change… but this team needs to feel good about itself against quality competition before doubt sets in. Casual fans don’t take notice of the NBA until after the Super Bowl… let’s hope that the Hawks are on a helluva roll when they discover the ‘10-11 version of the Hawks. The diehard fans on the blog will suffer through these uncertain times.

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What is that website where those of us outside the Atl market can watch the game?

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Larry Drew is an idiot, Crawford playing unselfishly? Put him in the position to take more shots? huh he already takes more than he should..

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MC, thanks!!

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Lewis, thanks!!

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I like Jamal and he seems like a good dude but I don’t think he finishes this year as a Hawk…….Teague needs to step it up tonight because Bibby cant guard Robinson. LD has to start giving guys the hook faster. If the Hawks have a lead and he inserts the bench, he cant let them stay in if they are stinking it up. He has done this a few times this year and they lost the lead and momentum…. The invisible man needs to rebound better if he isn’t going to score or do much else for that matter. They need to show they can beat a good team. They usually get fired up for the Celtics so hopefully we don’t have to worry about them coming out tonight with no energy.

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Man I got off early tonight just so I could make it home in time for the game. I agree with some of you bloggers that plays should be specifically designed for our above average one on one scorers. But not to the point to where our offense becomes predictable as it did in years past. Larry Drew, in my opinion, is pretty much an X and O kind of coach with brains enough to adapt and adjust as the game progresses.

So here is where I challenge our coaching staff…

The motion offense has put a major wrinkle in our offensive scheme but what can you guys come up with to cater to players like Jordan Crawford, Jamal Crawford, Jeff Teague, and Maurice Evans coming off the bench. Because I strongly believe that with Teague at the helm for the second unit he could speed up the attack and absolutely have a devastating effect on the players mentioned above with slip screens, pick and pops, or dribble drives. There is a lot more potential in our second unit that needs to be exploited.

On defense, I challenge our coaches to hold players ACCOUNTABLE! Commitment to defending should either be rewarded with more minutes as well as touches on offense. Not defending (and I’m not referring to getting beat on an assignment) should come with dire consequences. Like during practice, going through the fundamentals all over again. Maybe guys have been conducting themselves on the displaying mediocre defense for so long that, in their minds, they’re right. We should have intense practices for abnormal hours going over these fundamentals until guys “get it.” I mean the scoring has never been an issue. It is the lack of attention to detail on the other end of the court that is really hurting our win column. Think about it.

What do you bloggers think?

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Terrell, you left out Doc Rivers

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Jamal,

Keep shooting. There is nobody on this team I would rather take the shot than you.

JeJe,

Totally agree with you on Marvin. It amazes me that we continue trotting this guy out there as a starter. No other team but the Hawks would continue to do that.

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And some said that Shaq would not have been able to help the Hawks…

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LMAO @ this game. Time to switch over to Monday Night Countdown. Go Randy McMichael, help my fantasy team win.

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The Hawks are a F’n headache to watch right now…

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nice to see Joe Johnson put his stamp on this game like the top 5 hoopstar he is, or atleast paid to be.

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Dude, where the hell is the defense?

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Get every single one of them off the damn court simultaneously…

It’s pathetic.

Seriously, this is a biga$$ joke.

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Woody>LD

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Dwight come save us..

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we have a retart as a coach the Hawks last year killed the celtics because we have 2 great one on one players. So he takes away our strength this organization is a joke to cheap to get a real coach might as well have kept woodson. He makes crawford play like he is kyle Korver Rean mal n Joe are struggling is they cant go one on one 6-0 start was a joke this team cant beat any1 legit pathetic

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atlanta spirits should just sell the hawks and thrashers

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nice shot Jamal.

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just watch Jeff.

smh

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“we have a retart as a coach the Hawks last year killed the celtics because we have 2 great one on one players.”

enough said, I guess.

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40-12. wow

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absolutely disgusting the dam pg gets his own rebound while our bigs stand there looking smdh

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Let’s see, at this rate the final score will be 156-52.

Not too bad, eh?

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“For those of you who still think players don’t want to play in this city, it ain’t ever been about the city or the fans. It’s always been about the organization.”

preach.

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Stop going to damn games then…

Seriously, who the hell keeps paying to watch these games?

On top of that, they label these games vs. Boston/Miami/Lakers “premium games”…

It’s only premium if there are two good teams going at it. Not going to pay the extra bucks to go watch the Hawks get trashed by the Celtics.

How do you think those fans that payed to go watch tonights game feel?
Premium money for a very “premium-less” performance from the Hawks.

Pathetic.

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I like that new “motion offense” and that great “no switching” and accountability on defense. Wonder what kind of “slick talk” will LD come up with to fool you Woody Haters now.

You guys deserve this.

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Does the NBA have a mercy rule?

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So far, this year, it seems to be the Lowlight Factory.

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threw the elbow..

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Wordpress is driving me crazy. It says I’ve already posted my last post when it doesn’t appear on the blog.

What I said was that this year we should call it the Lowlight Factory.

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“if this doesn’t get Sund of his azz then i don’t know what will. i blamed Woodrow for a lot of things but i always maintained he wasn’t the only problem and that we needed more talent but ol Sund thinks we are a top 4 team smdh”

Co-sign

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damn Samuel he is not here anymore. You act worse than a scorned lover over Woodson . we get it you love him damn

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Jamal and Marvin for Prince, Ben Wallace, and Chris Wilcox. I’m going to keep posting this until it happens.

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“I like that new “motion offense” and that great “no switching” and accountability on defense. Wonder what kind of “slick talk” will LD come up with to fool you Woody Haters now.

You guys deserve this.”

LMAO. Going from bad to worse doesn’t mean they should have stuck with bad. It means they should have become good.

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I was actually going to go to this game, but I couldn’t find enough friends who got off work in time to make it to a 7 PM game.

Thank God.

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Samuel,

You said this: “I like that new “motion offense” and that great “no switching” and accountability on defense. Wonder what kind of “slick talk” will LD come up with to fool you Woody Haters now.”

“You guys deserve this.”

LOL Sam, you sound exactly like a jilted lover. Did losing Woody really hurt THAT bad?

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Imagine if Boston had their best player. LOL!!

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I like the way Teague play this half…

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Pierce ABUSED Joe Johnson

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Does LD have anything other than Black or Grey suits? Dude, you can stop shopping at the thrift store now.

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rev do you see what well coached teams with depth look like? i dont think the celts have one throw away player. for example, shaq wouldnt have been nirvana but he would be better than all of our bigs except josh and al. also if he was on our bench he wouldnt be on theirs. seven bounds already.

marquis daniels off the bench, going with west, got nate, big baby, j o’neal. the list goes on doesnt it?

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“Does LD have anything other than Black or Grey suits? Dude, you can stop shopping at the thrift store now.”

He’s the lowest paid coach in the league, what do you expect?

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getting absolutely killed on the glass smh

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rather than then one of those Steve Harvey K&G digs..

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If LD does sit JJ, Bibby, Marvin, and Al for the reminder of the game, it would be an interesting situation: accountability. Sit the weak-minded, play the ones who really want to play (JT0, JC1 & 2, Twin).

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whats even more frustrating about the bench is that there were good players available for the cheap that actually make contributions on the court.

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lol @ just the sound of the name Marvin Williams.

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Here’s the thing Samuel…

Woodrow may have had these guys winning more games…

But, his style of play got torched in the playoffs. He had these guys overachieve?

What Scott Skiles did against the Hawks (taking us to 7 with far less talent) is called overachieiving…

Had the Hawks pressed the Magic a bit last season, then yes, you could argue we overachieved – because Orlando has more talent. But, we got washed. Washed beyond washed.

Woody’s style of play was a major reason the Hawks layed dud upon dud in the playoffs. The game slows down, and his ISO ball and that switching defense may have been alright in the regular season, but, in the playoffs, when you see a team game after game – and you do the same thing over and over with little to no adjustments – your technique is flawed.

No point in winning 50+ games and then get washed by a team whose ranked a seed higher than you are.

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Celtics are trying to let the Hawks back into the game but the Hawks dont want it bad enough….

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Marvin’s not even a good jump shooter anymore

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Take Josh out…

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joe johnson is the new alan houston they should have resigned jamal for a 3rd of that contract and signed Scola or Boozer clown team clown coach

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Note to Rick Sund. Size matter… Hawks are getting killed in the paint b/c they are too small…

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Except for Jordan Crawford the Hawks have done nothing this game.

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MC,

Could you please ask LD if he has thought about bringing Marvin from the bench. We are tired of the invisible-man display.

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Melvin for some reason Sund doesn’t get that. He is happy as long as the Hawks are a top 4 team. I guess he didn’t take in consideration that other teams got better and that this core has probably peaked.

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whatever Joe..

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tough three there by allen after good d but no one to pick it up before allen got it.

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lol

i know Horford was probably just pumped after his block on Pierce, but someone should tell him we’re down 20+…

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“Would you rather win 50 games and get torched in the 2nd round to a better team or win 42 games, finish in the 6-8 spot and get beat in the 1st round?”

If the team has no chance of improving into a true title contender and nothing to gain mentally by making it to the 2nd round, both outcomes are equivalent as far as I’m concerned.

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LD should come out with a different lineup at the start of the 3rd. The one thing Woodrow used to do that annoyed me was sticking with what ain’t working.. Try something different. They are getting it handed to them anyway might as well go out trying something else

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I kind of like the jumbo lineup featuring Collins at center and Al at the 4 better against the Celtics when Shaq and KG are in. Al does a much better job against KG than Josh does, and Collins has a lot of weight to throw around against shaq, which could help in the post.

The Hawks offense is starting to pick up, but the defense right now is looking weak. You can’t give up 60+ points in the first half against the Celtics and expect to be in the game. Let’s get it going Hawks. Also, since Drew is trying to shake things up, maybe he should give Jordan Crawford some bigger minutes in the second half, because he really gives a nice spark off of the bench and plays with great confidence, regardless of the score.

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J from the A,

I couldn’t agree more on the fans. It’s absolutely disgraceful to see what goes on in Philips Arena with the fans. The cheers are louder when the opponent’s score than when the Hawks score. It’s no wonder the Hawks are better on the road so far this season, it’s not like they get much encouragement at home. I think the only reason the arena is close to full tonight is because “fans” came in to watch the Celtics, not to watch the Hawks. There’s not a worse fan base in the entire league. Even the Nets last year had more fan support than the Hawks.

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“You can’t be serious. The fans that are currently filling Phillips Arena are cheering more for the Celtics than they are for the Hawks. smdh. The Atlanta Hawks fans are damn bad fans. You must be delusional if you think otherwise.”

Watch what happens if/when the Hawks bring in a real superstar.

Atlanta fans want title contenders and/or superstars. They filled up Turner Field in the ’90s when the Braves had a legit shot at a title, the Dome in the 2000s when they had Vick (and now that they again look like contenders), and they will fill up Philips if the Hawks ever get their act together and build a true title contender and/or acquire a true superstar.

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Samuel,

In the last blog, you accused Teague of being “turnover prone”. His Assist to TO ratio is 2.58:1. That’s better than Brandon Jennings, John Wall, Devin Harris, and MANY others, and it’s the same as Steve Nash. It’s tied for 20th best in the league.

So my question is, do you think of Nash as “turnover prone”?

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BRING BACK WOODY!!!

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Drew,

It’s only the “above” post if we hit “show all”, otherwise it’s the below post.

Damn wordpress.

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on a positive note, MC seems to have helped us with the blog format problem.

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“Watch what happens if/when the Hawks bring in a real superstar.

Atlanta fans want title contenders and/or superstars. They filled up Turner Field in the ’90s when the Braves had a legit shot at a title, the Dome in the 2000s when they had Vick (and now that they again look like contenders), and they will fill up Philips if the Hawks ever get their act together and build a true title contender and/or acquire a true superstar.”

Translation = Atlanta fans are absolutely horrible. smh.

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Does Marvin has some type of clause in his contract stating that he has to start no matter what

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I think Samuel have a good point. I know it’s killing some of you all. You dished it out , and now you on the receiving in and it hurt. Like I said Woody gone and LD may be catching up with him soon. There no excuse for the Hawks lack of play. I remember last year mostly everyone said it was the HC fault. Now the same thing happened, so who fault it is now. I would love too see how some of you all will spin this. I was a Woody fan and I’m also LD and a Hawk fan.

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“Translation = Atlanta fans are absolutely horrible. smh.”

If refusing to fork over your hard earned money to a billion dollar corporation unless they provide a quality product is being “horrible”, then yes, Atlanta fans are horrible.

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Co-sign Najeh 8:28.

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Everyone is complaining about Jamal but Marvin is flat out sorry. All this dude does is run up and down the court. Its pathetic. He has had enough time to develop and now its time to cut our losses with him.

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count me in najeh unfortunately i only downgraded to one seat this year instead of two while sitting out the playoffs last year. dont spend then neither do i. up it by 10 mil with chills and shaq then i am down there with two seats and screaming. instead i sit at home while old man shaq who some bloggers thought to be over the hill has a double double against the home team. also he is a frigging pro not seeing any of those in white tonight.

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Fans in Boston and New York and Philly continue to show up to games when their teams suck, only to boo them at every turn. Fans in Atlanta simply don’t show up when their teams suck. I don’t really see what the big distinction is — if anything, showing up when your team sucks provides less incentive for the ownership to improve.

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Jordan must really stink it up on defense for him not to get more playing time.

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I’m pretty sure we will hear the same tired azz excuses tonight… “We didn’t come out with energy”…..”We are still learning to trust each other”….. “We didn’t rebound or play defense”…”We will get it together”…..

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The only reason I would hit the Hawks games right now is to see all the groupies.

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Watching the rest of the game <<<<< playing sudoku on my computer

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Its looking like a playoff game against the Magic last season smdh

Its time to cut ties with Marvn aka the invisible man.. No more excuses for this dude.. This is his 6th year and i cant honestly say that he is any better than he was his rookie year. He makes absolutely no impact on the court. I don’t know who would take him but its time for him to go. New offense new coach same invisible player

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You know what…

Argue about what you wish. We all waste our time yappin about the Hawks (who aren’t going anywhere).

F the Hawks till we see some drive in them. Seriously, nothing about their approach/attitude/energy makes me believe they want to win everytime they step out on the court.

It starts from the top, and truthfully, until that gets fixed, it stays at the top.

Atlanta Spirit must go.

The Hawks aren’t going anywhere with that bunch there.

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Falcons = 8-2 and have a real chance at doing something special this season

Hawks = same ish, different day

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well for so long i admired the intelligence of LD, however:

“They have a blend of veteran players with the core of their team, and it’s a lot easier to fit in a vet like Shaq,” Hawks coach Larry Drew said. “If we brought him in here, it would be a little tougher. I don’t think his personality would have fit with our guys. It makes more sense to have veteran guys around him.”

is just plain stupid.

rivers:

Celtics coach Doc Rivers said there have been no issues with O’Neal accepting his role on a team with established players and strong personalities.

“We have good veterans,” he said. “We are going to do it our way, nobody else’s way, no matter who comes in the locker room. None of that individual stuff will be tolerated.”

guess we got bad vets.

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lol Zaza

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BRING BACK ED GRAY AND PRIEST LAUDERDALE

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The Spirit Group didn’t want to sign Shaq because the didn’t want to move Horford to power forward. Instead they signed Etan Thomas and Josh Powell.

Ditch The Spirit

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didnt even care enough to make a run and get it respectable..

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OK, Samuel, let’s take his career stats.

Still 2.5:1 and that’s in 84 games. Big enough sample size for you?

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We are once again getting “historically” blown out. These kind of games really make the true fans sick.

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samuel you know where i stand with shaq. he might have caused a few to cry like KG did on big baby and grow them up. really surprised at LD commeny because that is not what he was saying at the time shaq was available.

“my boy rick” of yours has sucked samuel. i wont let you live that one down either.

if he had added shaq, chills and a back up legit point like nate, then i would sfu about the ASKG. they just keep making us look smarter and smarter.

next up the coach we left standing at the alter because he wanted a few more benjamins and control. you cant blame him for it after watching this.

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Hey Samuel,

Would you say that your boy Shaq is “turnover prone”?

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What in the heck has happened to the highlight factory? Starting to see why LD was an assistant for so long. Sorry Ken Strickland, had to say that. But these guys arent even competing. At some point, you have to start blaming the players, but if it were Woody I’d be killin him. Gotta do the same to Drew. This team needs a Coach who’s been there. A LEADER. Someone they respect and look up too. (Doc Rivers). Looks like their tuning LD out already. This is pathetic. And Ken, the Celtics dont look to old and slow tonight. lol! They’ve either gotten a lot better, or we’ve gotten a lot worse. Dont know what’s going on with this team, but somethings up. No leadership for one thing. Jamal tearing up the lockeroom perhaps? I’m bewildered.

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Najeh,

The sad thing about revisting the Marvin and Shelden drafting disater is that I still prefer BK over Sund right now b/c I think BK would have traded some of these untouchable core players.

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joe’s gotten paid about 3 and a half million through 14 games to do nothing so far

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Sautee,
I would say Shaq is one of the Best of All Time. Still better than anything we got down low. I think he proved that. I predict Teague will follow in the footsteps of “The Sniper” and ACIII. Either a career long bench warmer (which aint bad) or out of the league. I could be wrong but I just don’t see it in him.

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terrell,

I’m bewildered as well. I like what L.D. has attempted to instill in terms of the motion offense, but other than that, I’ve been pretty disappointed with a lot of what he’s done. I don’t like a lot of the in-game adjustments he’s made, I don’t like how he’s managed foul trouble, and his “accountablity” principle seems to be all talk at this point. I’m seeing a jumpshooting team that does not take advantage of mismatches. A lot of this is on the players, as well, but you can only blame them so much when the coach puts them in an opportunity to lose. L.D. hasn’t been utilizing the strengths of Al and Josh much at all, nor has he adjusted the lineups defensively during our struggles. He’s looking to the bench for things that just aren’t there, and I don’t see the motivation or intensity out of him. He seems very passive on the bench. Something has got to happen. I see a few players who are playing with a lot of intensity, regardless of what is going on, but usually it’s the guys who aren’t having any plays being run for them, and they can do little to correct the flaws of their teammates, when they are the only ones trying. I am truly starting to believe that hiring L.D. was a bad decision. His principles sound good on paper, but he still hasn’t realized that he needs to make adjustments to utilize the strengths of his team, rather than sticking to things that may never work with the personnel he has.

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Zaza’s just blessed to be 7ft.

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LOL Samuel, I asked if you would call Shaq “turnover prone”.

I agree that he’s one of the best centers ever and a great passing big man, but you are calling Teague “turnover prone” when he has a ratio of 2.5 assists to every turnover for his career.

Shaq’s ratio?

errrr that would be 1 assist to 1.1 turnovers. (2.6 ast, 2.8 to per game)

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Maybe a nice long road trip will do wonders for the Hawks. Give those guys time to bond with each other. This early season home stand has been a disater..

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Well, wasn’t THAT refreshing?

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Jordan Crawford plays hard. I would go ahead and put him at the sg and let Joe play the 3. We aren’t getting anything out of The Invisible man anyway… Why isn’t Teague in the game? Has LD soured on him?

I said a few blogs ago that I’m not seeing this accountability LD was talking about before the season. It looks like the same ol same ol to me..

The thing that makes the Marvin pick so bad is that even though they passed on 2 great pg’s they selected a below average sf. If Marvin was just a good sf it wouldn’t be so bad but dude aint even that.

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I’m glad I missed this game!!!

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Does Sund even have the authority to break this thing up?I seriously doubt it.

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terrell,

only if Gearon says so.

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LD interview comming up in a few. This should be interesting.

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The point about Atlanta fans not being good fans is bogus…

Atlanta fans have gotten up and stood behind the Hawks at numerous points, only to watch them lay duds at their feet.

Just think, if you payed premium money to go watch the Hawks tonight, how would you be feeling right now? I’d be pretty damn pi$$ed.

Why should Hawks fans be “all-in” with this organization when the organization itself isn’t? The organization has demonstrated time and time again that they’d rather pass on peices/moves that could better the product on the floor, all to save a few bucks.

Not sure what people are expecting out of Hawks fans…

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my friend, “why do you watch it if you get so pissed off”

i really don’t know

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terrell,

Horford had one off-night and you want to “jump off the bandwagon”? LOL. This is a perfect example of what the fans in atlanta are like. Horford just had a 20 point, 20 rebound night where he pretty much was the main reason the Hawks were in the game on saturday. Now, he has an off-night and suddenly all of that is forgotten and he needs to “pick it up”. That’s the definition of a fair weather fan right there. Also. just for the record, if Horford would have played his regular minutes, he might have had a double-double tonight anyway, but it wouldn’t have mattered with how the team, as a whole, was playing.

Also, if the Hawks didn’t have Horford, they probably wouldn’t have even made the playoffs these last few years.

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Mannnn…All I know is something has been wrong with the Hawks for a longggg time and it ain’t got nothing to do with talent. Something just ain’t right. There’s a rotten apple (or apples) somewhere in this bunch.

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1/6th thru the season and no wins against a winning team yet

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naaah.. that isnt a coach thats “hiding”… nor is it a coach that says the same ole’ tired thing in every interview..

thats what im talking about LD.. get to the bottom of it.. i can appreciate the candidness..

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I don’t get folk who claim that the playoffs are the only thing that matters. The regular season lasts 4 months, playoffs about 1 month. I want to see my team excel for at least the 16 weeks. This isn’t nearly as fun as last year.

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tarde some more other then

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Just out of curiosity, where were you guys watching this L.D. interview? I don’t have sportssouth, so I’m unable to watch it if it was on there, but I’d love to hear what L.D. had to say.

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Byron,

LD said he was embarrased. and that there was no urgency, no effort, no energy, and no accountability.

And that he has to get to the bottom of it, because he doesnt know why players have no energy. He wants to know why they have no energy for games, and its like they are doing something the night before games…

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Notes: Former Hawks owner Ted Turner attended the game, sitting at courtside. … All 12 Boston players who dressed out got on the scoresheet. … In fact, the only player who failed to score was Atlanta backup center Zaza Pachulia, who missed all four of his attempts.

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L.D. is being hard on his players, and perhaps that’s a good thing to a certain extent, but someone should be hard on him too for the poor decisions he made during the game. Why in the world was Bibby guarding Nate Robinson? Seriously, L.D., what were you thinking when you made that decision. Also, it was pretty clear that Josh had a tough time defending KG. Al seemed to do a much better job on KG when he was on him for a few possessions, but L.D. never decided to try putting Collins on Shaq and Al on KG instead of what he was doing with Josh. Also, once again, Joe and Jamal were struggling, yet L.D. stuck with Jamal once again and let those guys take jumper, after jumper, after jumper. If it’s not working, try something else, for goodness sake.

Al seemed a bit off tonight, in terms of shooting, but that doesn’t mean L.D. couldn’t have at least tried some pick-and-pop or pick-and-roll with him to help get him into a rhythm, when nothing else was working. It’s a known fact that Shaq has trouble defending the pick and roll. Also, too much dominating the ball by the guards tonight. Most of the shots Al took were at the end of the clock when someone threw him the ball after the play had been broken and he had to try and make something happen at the end of the clock. Also, I don’t think even a single play was run for Josh, which resulted in his field goal attempts being mostly ill-advised jumpers.

I’m not sure if the players just didn’t run what L.D. was hoping for, or if it was really L.D.’s intent to spend almost the entire game taking long jumpshots and hoping they went in. The players need to be held accountable for sure, but so does the coach when things go this wrong.

Even in the perfect world, where the players execute the plays the coach draws up perfectly, that doesn’t mean that those plays are going to result in points, or that those are good plays, and based upon what the Hawks ran tonight, I can definitely say that those were not good plays. I just hope that L.D. was not actually calling the horrid plays that we saw tonight.

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From Sekou’s Twitter:

“”RT @christomasson: Shaq on why didn’t sign with Atlanta: “(Hawks GM) Rick Sund was bull (bleeping). Want me to spell it out for you?’’”"

But it’s the fans’ fault apparently. If only we were idiots like fans from the Northeast and continued supporting this dysfunctional joke of an organization with our hard-earned money.

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TASKS FOR THIS TEAM TO IMPROVE AND SALVAGE THE SEASON:

1) REVOKE THIS “CAPTAIN” PRIVILEGE FROM SMOOVE AND JOE. LET HORFORD BE CAPTAIN BY HIMSELF SINCE HE IS THE ONLY GUY WHO WANTS TO WIN ON THIS TEAM BESIDES MAYBE JAMAL OR MO. HORFORD CAN THEN CALL OUT PLAYERS AND BE THE SOLE CAPTAIN

2) TRADE MARVIN AND BIBBY FOR THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE, REGARDLESS OF POSITION

3) START COLLINS AND TEAGUE

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BENCH MARVIN WILLIAMS.

I AM SORRY, GUYS.

I DON’T CARE IF I AM THE MOST HATED PERSON HERE — THIS GUY FLAT OUT SUCKS. HE HAS NO DESIRE TO BE GOOD. HE ONLY HAS A HALF-DECENT GAME IF HE GETS CALLED OUT. HE HAS NO HEART. HE IS A FRAIL STIFF WITH NO UPPER BODY STRENGTH.

I CAN NAME 6 PLAYERS ON OUR BENCH BETTER THAN MARVIN WILLIAMS. HE WOULD NOT START ON ANY OTHER TEAM. WE COULD’VE TRADED THIS GUY IN A PACKAGE FOR MONTA FREAKING ELLIS OR MO/SHAQ, BUT SUND, THE GENIUS HE IS, HESITATED ON BOTH.

START COLLINS HORFORD AND SMOOVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE’S SOMEONE LIKE SHAQ IN THERE. COLLINS AT LEAST TRIES. MARVIN IS AN AWKWARD STIFF WITH NO DESIRE TO HELP THIS TEAM WIN. WE BET AGAINST OURSELVES GIVING HIM THAT EGREGIOUS CONTRACT

GOD DAMNIT

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i think LD was eludeding to somehting a bit deeper than a lack of energy..

he was speaking more to mentality. as in we’re dealing with a group that is less driven by hardware more so the lifestyle..

hence, “could care less if the fans show up or not” im still gonna pick up this game check..

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AJ,

Co-sign. he saw the same thing for 6 years under Woody. Why did he think all of a sudden, the players would stop folding like lawn chairs?

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THE HAWKS WILL DO EXACTLY AS NORTHCYDE PREDICTED:

THERE WILL BE A PLAYERS-ONLY MEETING TOMORROW. THE TEAM WILL REBOUND AND DEFEAT THE ATROCIOUS NEW JERSEY NETS AND THE OTHER SCRUB TEAMS WE PLAY ON THE SCHEDULE. THEN OUR ARROGANT GM WILL PROCLAIM HOW WE ARE A TOP 4 TEAM IN THE EAST.

THEN WE WILL GET ASSAULTED IN DECEMBER. OUR SCHEDULE IS BRUTAL

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CAN WE JUST GO BACK TO OLD BLOG COMMENT FORMAT, BUT HAVE AN OPTION FOR ALL POSTS ON ONE PAGE?

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Let’s not forget about Joe in all of this. He has not only been playing poorly on the offensive end, but he has been playing some ATROCIOUS defense. Isn’t he supposed to be a good defender?

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Atlanta

Spirit

Group

Must

Go

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Ray do you have a link or quotes?

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FEELS LIKE THE SEASON IS ALREADY OVER. THIS MONTH WE WERE SUPPOSED TO LOSE 2 GAMES MAX

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i agree, O’BRIEN BECAUSE THATS WHAT GREAT COACHES LIKE POPOVICH WOULD DO. THE GUY TOOK OUT DEROZAN AFTER 1 PLAY FOR LEAVING A GUY OPEN FOR A 3

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well looking forward to the next blog with comments by MC and a northcyde obit.

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IF WE HAD STARTED COLLINS AND SMOOVE HAD NOT ALLOWED GARNETT TO GET THE BALL 5 FEET FROM THE HOOP EVERY TIME, I’M SURE IT WOULD’VE BEEN CLOSER.

NATE > OUR BENCH LOLOLOL
DELONTE >> OUR BENCH

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We can only hope that this is a wakeup call for this team to get their act together. They don’t really understand that all 5 guys have to rebound and their a jumpshooting team that has to make shots.

What I saw in the Dallas game was a team that struggles to get key defensive rebounds and make good offensive decisions under pressure.

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