Atlanta Hawks: Celtics 99, Hawks 76

Shaq and the C's pounded the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Shaq and the C's pounded the Hawks. (AP Photo)

– I wondered if L.D. would try to keep an even keel after this beat down. You know, try not to overreact to a bad regular-season loss. Keep it in perspective. Say something soothing instead of the something scathing.

– Nope. Not even close. He finally emerged 20 minutes after the game ended and ripped his team for its second surrender in the last two weeks.

– “This was very, very embarrassing,” he said. “If I had to sum it up in one word: embarrassing. To come out with that type energy; that type urgency. What I see with our team right now I don’t feel real good about.”

– The scene was eerily similar to the aftermath of the Orlando series. Bickering players, poor body language, lack of resolve and booing fans during the game. Quiet locker room and questions about character after it. “We came out tonight and didn’t compete,” Jamal said.

– Same group, new coach, and so far the same results. Actually, I can’t even say same results since the Hawks beat some good teams along the way to 53Ws and the No. 3 seed. They haven’t beaten any yet this season. The Hawks are supposed to match up better with the Celtics, especially with Rajon Rondo (ankle) in street clothes.

– Matchups hardly matter when the Hawks fail to show up. “We have some soul-searching to do,” Al said. “I don’t think we are [accountable]. We tend to have excuses for everything.”

– “I never would have thought we would come out so not ready to play,” J.J. said. “They remember we swept them last season. They wanted to come in and send a message and they did it.”

– Not surprisingly, there were some flareups in Atlanta’s huddles. At one point Al tried to huddle up the team and calm things down. “Guys have got to understand you can’t be sensitive to policing,” Josh said.

– “I am disappointed that we are not playing with a hunger,” L.D. said. “We are looking to point fingers. We are playing the blame game. More importantly, our energy level is not good at all. We are not doing things quick, we are not doing things with speed, we are not doing things with urgency.”

– The Hawks again looked more sluggish at the start than an opponent that had played the day before. The same thing happened against Milwaukee and Dallas.

– “We are playing like we are coming off a back-to-back-to-back,” Drew said. “I told the guys I don’t know what you are doing the night before we play, I don’t know what you are doing away from the floor. Something is going on that is not allowing us to play with an energy and passion that we should be playing with. As a head coach, I’ve got to find out what it is.”

Nate Robinson ran circles around the Hawks in the opening three minutes with five points and two assists. Plenty of open shots were available for the Celtics and they made most of them. Boston collected pretty much every Atlanta miss.

– “Something is going on and I’ve got to get to the bottom of it,” L.D. said. “Players have to know themselves. They have to know their bodies. They have to know how to get physically and mentally ready for every game, especially at the start. First four minutes of the game, when I see my players bending over grabbing their shorts because they are winded, something is going on. Something is wrong.”

– The Hawks never really threatened to rally after Boston’s opening barrage. The Celtics’ older, experienced heads schooled the younger, faster and more athletic Hawks.

– “We never hit back,” Joe said. “We made it real easy for them.”

– “The Celtics know who they are,” Mo said. “We don’t have an identity, unless it’s when things go bad we go the other way. Maybe that’s out identity and we don’t know it.”

– Before the game, L.D. said he thinks the Hawks hadn’t yet figured out how to “tighten the screws up” when they face adversity but he believes they have the personnel to do so. The close losses to Phoenix, Orlando, Dallas and Utah and the beat downs from Milwaukee and Boston suggest otherwise.

– “We start making excuses,” L.D. said. “We start getting on the officials. We start getting on teammates. All of those things start to seep in when things aren’t going well. That’s not a good sign at all.”

– L.D. has talked about accountability. What can he do once he figures out the problem with his players? “I’ve got to address it with each individual,” he said. “If I see something wrong, I have to address it. It can’t be sugarcoated.”

– Sorry for not posting the usual pregame blog post. I had it written and it was a masterpiece. But when I tried to post it the blog monster turned on its owner and ate it, leaving behind no remains to salvage.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

218 comments Add your comment

Me

November 22nd, 2010
11:29 pm

Horford
Collins
smith
Jo Crawford
teague

start that team and pull anyone that plays no d for 5 games. Things will look up.

Loserville USA

November 22nd, 2010
11:41 pm

GET THE BUNCO SQUAD. Team should be arrested for FRAUD. 38 wins max.

Freshfromatl

November 22nd, 2010
11:41 pm

MC,

Is there any indication changes may be coming? Somebody is a cancer to this team and I have heard far too many times of players out partying and getting wasted on nights before games smh.

K.W.

November 22nd, 2010
11:43 pm

SOME OF THE HAWKS NEED TO STOP CLUBBING.

Melvin

November 22nd, 2010
11:45 pm

The best thing about tonight is that the Heat and Magic lost…

Ray

November 22nd, 2010
11:46 pm

I’m all in with a change to the starting line up.

Teague at PG
JC2 at SG
Smith at SF
Horford at PF
Collins at C

Send a message to everyone on the team to hustle and play with heart and passion. I’m tired of these players not trying hard enough it also seems like there are issues in the locker room someone needs to investigate on that. Just saying.

Joe's place Joe speaking

November 22nd, 2010
11:47 pm

MC,

What do you think should happen? What other options do we have to make this team more competitive? I’m at a loss for words, honestly.

SWAT Native

November 22nd, 2010
11:51 pm

I got an email this evening for a party with Keri Hilson and the Hawks on Thursday night. That’s a big part of their problem right there.

Me

November 22nd, 2010
11:54 pm

That’s what I’m saying, Ray, that’s what I’m saying. That starting 5 will play with passion and listen to Coach. For 5 games, it hopefully burns a passion in Joe, who earns back the 2 from Jo C again. People talk like 4 years of one lineup is a good thing. It’s not if you haven’t achieved anything. Just breeds complacency. Tomorrow is when LD separates himself from Woodrow or doesn’t. We’ll know who he is in 19 hours. What do you say, MC? LD with a new lineup? Or same ol’ non-accountability that Riles, Phil or Doc would never tolerate?

terrell

November 22nd, 2010
11:59 pm

And to make things worse, Joe just finished a 500 $ meal after that performance.

doc

November 22nd, 2010
11:59 pm

havent we been down by about 20 in some of those ” close” losses. sorry that aint good enough.

Post-Game Entertainment

November 22nd, 2010
11:59 pm

Excerpt from the next Hawks’ next players-only meeting:

*** By the way, keep in mind that this is all in good humor and not meant to offend anyone. It’s just fictional speculation for some fun.***

Al Horford: Come on, guys, we can’t keep getting blown out like this. It’s an embarrassment. Where’s the effort? This isn’t how we did it back in Gainesville. We need to keep the ball moving. That’s when we’re at our best.

Joe Johnson: Listen, man. Don’t be worryin’ ’bout dat. Y’all just need to give me more room to operate out there. Git me da ball and clear out, man. Ain’t nobody else need to be taking shots out there.

Jamal: Joe, I think I need some shots too. I need to get my averages up to get a new contract. It’s tough to play out there, always thinking about what’s going to happen in my future. I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that.

Joe: Na, man. You strugglin’ out there. Just get me da ball, man. I’m an All-star.

Teague: Guys, who should I pass the ball to tomorrow night? Do I pass to Joe or Jamal first? Do you think maybe I could take a shot tomorrow night?

Joe: Na, man. Ain’t nobody pay no attention to you out there, man. Just defer to me when I’m out there and make sure my gatorade is cold when I’m on the bench. Don’t be passing the ball to Josh out there either. He trippin, lately.

Josh Smith: I ain’t trippin, brotha. These refs are hatin’ on me, man. I was fouled on every play last night and didn’t even get one call. Why don’t y’all pass me the ball more when I’m open on the wing, man? Y’all know I be drainin’ threes out there to get us back in it.

Zaza: Hey, guys, how do you like my new scarf? Does anyone want to go shopping after the meeting? You need to dress better for the post-game interviews, guys.

Jeff: I voted for you as best dressed, Zaza.

Zaza: Thanks, Jeff. I’ll pass you the ball tomorrow.

Mo: Seriously, guys, what’s going on? What the hell were you all doing out there tonight?

Al: We’re playing selfish basketball and not executing on the offensive end. We’re not playing with intensity out there on defense either. Guys, this is getting embarrassing. We need to play with a sense of pride out there. We need to tighten up on defense and help each other out as a team. Hey, Mike? How about running some more pick and roll and pick and pop for me?

Mike: Yeah, Al. I’m down with that. Stop moving so fast out there though. Give me a few minutes to get down the court before setting that screen. You know I can’t keep up with you youngins out there.

Josh: Yeah, man. Y’all need to let me post up more too, man. Ain’t nobody can stop my pump fakes and up-and-unders on that low box. When you can’t find me in the post, just work the ball around the perimeter and find me on the wing for a three. Man, I’ve been wide open out there a lot lately. I’m gone make it rain, man.

Zaza: Smoove, can you help me work on my pump fake? Guys don’t ever seem to go for it when I try to pump fake.

Josh: That’s because you suck, bruh. By the way, did y’all see my highlights on Sportscenter the other night? That shi* was off the hook, man. I’m going be an All-Star this year. Y’all need to throw me some more lobs.

Al: Josh, stop throwing me those crazy lob passes from half court. You’re wasting our possessions. Don’t try and make something that isn’t there. Just follow the game plan and stick to the offense. We need to stop running so much isolation out there and making lazy, bailout passes.

Jordan Crawford: Guys, I think I can help too. Coach won’t give me any minutes though. I can’t wait to get out there and take a shot one of these days. The first chance I get, I’m going to chuck one up there.

Joe: Pipe down, rook’. Ain’t nobody paying no attention to you. Where’s my Gatorade, man?

Mo: Guys, I’m with Al on this one. We need to play more team defense and share the ball. Find the open man, and make those open looks. My knee is feeling a lot better now, I think I can really help out with the bench play too.

Jamal: Don’t worry about playing time, Mo. Just let your knee heal up. Coach doesn’t want your defense out there anyway. He’s going to give me all of your minutes so that I feel more comfortable and get into a rhythm shooting the ball. Besides, Marvin is really going to step it up this year. He knows where all of his shots are coming from.

Joe: Who? Man, who’s this Marvin y’all are talking about?

Zaza: I think that’s the guy who comes late to practice in that ugly Jacket and his PJs. He looks like a bum. I really need to give him a makeover.

Marvin: *snore* (in the corner)

Al: Come on guys. You perimeter players need to really start playing with more aggression out there. Jamal, you need to pick up your energy level on defense and recovery to the open man when he’s right next to you, even if it isn’t your man.
Jamal: What’s defense?

Al: And Mike, try to fight through those screens when teams are setting picks out there. I’m having to switch onto your man too much. I get tired of chasing little guards around the perimeter.

Mike: No prob, Al. But I need to take it easy. I want to play in the league for another ten years, so I need to pace myself. Besides, you’re a better perimeter defender than me anyway, and when my man blows by me Josh will be there to get another highlight block.

Josh: Yeah! You know how I do, bruh. Oh, and don’t be so selfish with the ball out there either, man. Don’t worry about setting up the offense out there, Mike. You know, I can play point too. I’m such a great passer. I can do everything. Just let me handle the ball more and I’ll run the offense.

Joe: Hey, man. Let’s not get carried away with all of this motion offense nonsense and sharing the ball. Everbody knows that ain’t none of that stuff works, man. That just gets us into playing all helter-skelter out there, man. Look, man, y’all don’t need to worry bout offense out there. Just get me da ball, man.

Al: But Joe, what if you get double or triple-teamed out there while you isolate?

Joe: Don’t worry, man, I’ll just pass da ball to you or Josh at the last second.

Mo: Coach wants us to trust the motion system, guys, not just isolate all the time. You guys need to stop ball-hogging out there and play the right way.

Josh: Yeah, man. Why’s Joe and Jamal taking 20 shots a game out there and I’m only getting’ 15, brotha? I need at least 20 jumpers each night too, and some dunks too. How’s a brotha supposed to make sportscenter without some lobs?

Joe: C’mon, man. Y’all need to stop listenin’ to coach out there. Y’all act like he know sumtin. He don’t know nothin’, man. That scrub barely played when he was in the league.

Zaza: Yeah, I don’t like coach either. He always wears those ugly suits. He doesn’t understand fashion at all and he takes me out of the game right away when I get my shot blocked by a point guard. I’m not going to let him eat at my restaurant anymore.

Al: Guys, I like how we’ve progressed as a team, but we just aren’t getting it done out there anymore. This team has some serious problems. You bench players need to step it up out there. We all need to step it up. It has to be a total team effort.

Joe: Chill, Al. We know what to do, man. I’ve been runnin’ this team for a long time, man. Listen’, man, I just had an off night and didn’t shoot enough last game. I’ll be better next time. Just give me about 10 more shots tomorrow and don’t be worryin’ bout what coach says. Just defer to me.

Jeff: Ok, that sounds good, Joe. I’ll be really aggressive passing you the ball tomorrow night.

Josh: Aight, man. This meetin’ is too long, when we goin’ to the club? Don’t worry about basketball man, we’ll just win the next one. Our next opponents are scrubs anyway.

Joe: Yeah, man. Y’all know how I roll. Let’s hit up the club scene now, man.

Marvin: Guys, can I come too? Oh, and we’re not going to an expensive club are we? You know I don’t like to overspend.

Joe: It’s all good, Duck. You can come wit us. Don’t even trip bout da bills either, man. I could buy these clubs with my pocket change, man. Yo, Jeff. You can come too, man. You can hold my coat.

Jeff: Sure, Joe. I won’t get it dirty. I promise.

Zaza: Guys, hang on a sec. I want to come too. I need to change my clothes first though. This shirt is ugly and doesn’t match my suede boots.

Mo: Al, our team is a joke. *sigh*

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
12:00 am

LMAO… the blog monster victimizes you too? That’s hilarious.

For those of you who want to combat the blog monster, if you use Firefox, there is a plugin called Lazarus that allows you to recall what you typed by right clicking in the box and choosing the text you typed from a menu. It can’t stop the blog monster from swallowing your post, but it will allow you to not have to type in everything again.

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
12:01 am

Same starting 5 in Dec, and I’m officially off the LD train. Especially Marvin. He’d be the last man standing at the neighborhood pickup game.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
12:02 am

“Before the game, L.D. said he thinks the Hawks hadn’t yet figured out how to “tighten the screws up” when they face adversity but he believes they have the personnel to do so. The close losses to Phoenix, Orlando, Dallas and Utah and the beat downs from Milwaukee and Boston suggest otherwise. “We start making excuses,” L.D. said. “We start getting on the officials. We start getting on teammates. All of those things start to seep in when things aren’t going well. That’s not a good sign at all.””

LD is not responsible for the personnel. If he were to say anything else, it would be construed as a sign of excuse-making. LD, at least publicly, needs to be saying that he has the personnel and they just have to execute and “tighten the screws”, or else it just opens the door for players to assume they can’t win either.

Player personnel is Rick Sund’s responsibility, and if by now he doesn’t realize that this core isn’t going anywhere, the DASG needs to fire his azz.

Ray

November 23rd, 2010
12:04 am

@ Me lol(sounds like I’m talking to myself)

I think your best bet is LD going with the same ol’ non-accountability cause now he’s looking like he’s all talk just like old man Woodrow. I already didn’t like the fact they brought him in now it’s looking even worse.

Even still can’t place all this on LD it really is the players there are some that are playing with fire in their stomach burning, but then you got a few playing for other reasons.

I feel like JC1 and Joe are the cancer’s on this team plus a few bench players like Marvin and Thomas(he’s actually garbage not a cancer).

I have an bad feeling though about one player it is Josh Smith. I’ve supported him for a long time and don’t want him to leave, but what if he was the cancer along with the others? That could be a big time problem

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
12:05 am

Cant believe they’re still calling Philips the highlight factory.

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
12:06 am

Ray, Josh has been the ONLY consistent player on the Hawks this year. And I mean ONLY.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
12:08 am

LMAO @ Post-Game Entertainment. I hope Jamal reads that and passes it on to the rest of the team.

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
12:10 am

I think Jamal and JJ are filling the young guys head with stuff like “LD sux”, “the motion offense sux”, “why is making us run so much at practice”,, “why should we listen to an 18 yr assistant”,etc…. After all, they hate sharing the ball.

Me

November 23rd, 2010
12:13 am

I don’t buy the cancer theory. Got a cancer…don’t play him. After LD mixes it up and tries a new approach 2-3 times and fails, then I’ll entertain the cancer theory. But run the same dudes out night after night and let Jamal Jack up like he’s playing horse and still keep running? That’s not cancer…that’s lack of imposing authority as a coach. And Teague with no run in the 4th? Criminal. Is JC1 at point winning a playoff series for us? Didn’t think so. That’s called (non-)development. LD > MW ….but that’s not saying much. Mix it up, baby, time to mix it up like a smoothie in a blender!

K.W.

November 23rd, 2010
12:13 am

@Post-Game Entertainment LMAO!

Ray

November 23rd, 2010
12:14 am

@ terrell

I know Josh has been the most consistent along with Horford, but still sometimes you just wonder if he is the problem. It’d be bad, and I’d hope it wasn’t true if that began to come out.

Cause me and you don’t know what happens in that locker room.

I also can’t believe they call Philips the highlight factory either truth be told.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
12:19 am

Honestly, I think Joe is a bigger problem than Josh. People see Josh pouting and whining about foul calls and assume he’s a malcontent based on his history clashing with Woody, but if you read his quotes after losses, there is one consistent and common theme — his insistence on sharing the ball. Every time the Hawks lose or their offense stagnates, he always emphasizes sharing the ball. Who do we know on the Hawks who doesn’t consistently share the ball, or only does so reluctantly? Joe. I really think Josh believes Joe is detrimental to the offense with his ball hogging, and quite honestly I can’t blame him for feeling that way.

It’s one thing to say a guy is a cancer or a malcontent if he is selfish and only cares about his own personal success. It’s another thing entirely when he is unhappy about the team losing and not playing the right way. I think Josh falls firmly in the second category.

lewis

November 23rd, 2010
12:20 am

no tough guy.
no smart guy.
no hustle guy.
no leader.

A lot of responsibility lies with a team’s veteran point guard.
Mike Bibby is a huge let down and I have a feeling he creates a lot of tension in the locker room, and is responsible for a lot of the before game night partying that goes down. He and Joe should be ashamed of themselves as the elder statesmen of this team.

The Atlanta Hawks – Consistently providing Inconsistency

Najeh Davenpoop

November 23rd, 2010
12:25 am

And as far as LD is concerned, the jury is still out. On the one hand, aside from the last two games the Hawks’ offense has been on fire this year, against good teams and bad teams alike, and the biggest selling point about LD was that he was going to upgrade the offense. In a lot of statistical categories, the Hawks are improved offensively. So in that regard, he has been successful. On the other hand, there has been a noticeable dropoff in defense, rebounding, and mental toughness, and while we know they are capable of playing D better than they have this year, I am still not convinced that their rebounding and toughness issues can be entirely cured without a change in personnel. I’d give it another month to see what improvements — if any — Drew can provide, and look for a trade after that. December 15 is the first day that players signed this offseason can be traded.

Section 303

November 23rd, 2010
12:29 am

Guys, really, who cares about this team? I sat there and watched every minute of this game. I’ve come to the conclusion that we should not care.

This team is a total mess. And, Sund should have seen that after the Orlando series. A bunch of headcases, from top to bottom. Put a stick of dynamite in the middle of this group and blow it up. I’d rather cheer for a 13-win team that hustles than a bunch of jerkoffs who sometimes show up to play.

Hey, how good of an idea was it to sign Joe Johnson, again? Remind me. We couldn’t win without him, right? I truely hate that guy. F him. I wish him nothing but the worst.

And, Jamal Crawford, if you really read these blogs, please, you and the rest of the Hawks go F*** yourselves. You guys should pay back every fan that was in the arena tonight. I’ve never seen a bigger group of douchebags in my life.

Big Ray

November 23rd, 2010
12:32 am

Post-Game Entertainment

November 22nd, 2010
11:59 pm

Too dang funny, and probably dead right on the mark. I actually stopped crying long enough to laugh at that….

Big Ray

November 23rd, 2010
12:34 am

Section 303 ,

Now…lie back on the couch and tell me how you really feel. Start from the beginning. Do you want to talk about your mother? :lol:

Big Ray

November 23rd, 2010
12:35 am

Apparently the team doesn’t even care about the team.

Sav GA Boss

November 23rd, 2010
12:38 am

Post-Game Entertainment,

You are right on the money. Tell Jamal to read it and pass it out to the rest of the team. Its time to break this team up. Sund, do something ASAP and until then, LD send a message to the team by benching Joe, Mike and Marvin.

stizz

November 23rd, 2010
12:41 am

Wait, Jamal reads the blog comments?

Ray

November 23rd, 2010
12:49 am

@ stizz yes it seems he does he admitted it. Personally I’m with Section 303 except exclude The three rooks (I count Teague as a rook) and Josh, Al, and Bibby everyone else can go do what you’ve stated.

@ Section 303 It doesn’t need the TNT just yet cause then we’d be back at square 1 no one wants that for this team except maybe the ASG and their ***** ***es.

Well I’m angry.

Section 303

November 23rd, 2010
12:54 am

Big Ray, I’m fine. I think, anyways. Funny you mentioned my mother because she and my Dad were at the game with me tonight. In town for the holidays. Lucky for them, they did not come down here to see this circus known as the Hawks.

I’ve kind of decided I may be done with this team. Coach Drew is clearly over his head. He needs to go. But, he won’t. Sund will do nothing.

This team…it needs to be shaken up. Trade someone (please, please, please make it Joe Johnson). But, nothing will happen. Sund will do nothing.

So many on here ripped Billy Knight. Sund is worse. Wonder where that idiot is tonight? How does that “core” look to ya’?

Here’s hoping the Hawks leave town. Will save me from spending another dime of my money on them.

Ray

November 23rd, 2010
12:55 am

I’m still trying to figure out what happened to Jeff Teague why wasn’t he in when they had the end of the bench all in there maybe he would have brought some energy. He was doing all right in that lst half when he came out on the floor.

darrell starks

November 23rd, 2010
12:55 am

LD wake your ass up this was some BS tonight, unbelievable how LD continue 2 starte marvin, he mentally braking down the starting five with no contribution at all, if your not atleast going 2 score atleast get rebounds around the board marvin, and why is he always standing around the half court line, this is so pathic that marvin should be in a d league are on some street team the guy is a bust but woody and now LD continue 2 starte him wow.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

November 23rd, 2010
1:01 am

MARVIN 2 POINTS AND 2 REBOUNDS LD WAKE YOUR ASS UP AND STOP DRINKING MARVIN COOLAID BEFORE YOUR COACHING COME 2 AND END QUICK.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

cp

November 23rd, 2010
1:05 am

I like LD he really seems like he is trying but man these guys don’t care. Let me rephrase that, not enough guys on the team care.. LD is fighting battle he cant win.. We gotta call it like it is guys, these guys are the same ones who quit on Woodson last year. I have absolutely no idea why the front office didn’t think it would be a good idea to get rid of guys who quit on a coach. I don’t care how much you might not like a head coach you don’t quit on him……And there were the rumors of guys partying too much last season. If I remember correctly it was a rumor of them partying during the playoff series against the Bucks smdh

Season is what 14 games in and guys are already fighting.. The comment about guys not liking to be policed says it all. These cats don’t like discipline in any shape or form. LD has to start another group tomorrow. He cant say all the things he did and trot the same uninspired group out there tomorrow night. Its time to try something different.

I said it on the last blog and I’ll say it again. If Sund doesn’t get of his azz after this game then I dont know what will inspire him to do anything.

And its time to go ahead and pencil Marvin as a bust. Aint no other way around it. Guy has no fire or drive what so ever. He needs new scenery and the Hawks need a better player

Sad that after all this time guys are still using the same excuses. Its time for the front office to hold these guys accountable and ship some guys off. I’m with 303, I rather cheer for a losing team full of guys who play hard every night than to cheer for guys who quit and give up anytime they face adversity. They did it to Woodson and have already done it to LD twice. Time for the players to be held accountable

darrell starks

November 23rd, 2010
1:12 am

If i see another guy clowning on the bench and laughing why your losing by 30points i will call the front office and demand LD BE FIRED, how as a coach you not yell at your team when no heart or fire is being displayed, i might not have support woody but i can say one thing he did yelled at his team and cursed them out with lack luster performance.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!

AtlasSounding

November 23rd, 2010
1:17 am

Fire Larry Drew and beg Jeff Van Gundy to get down here and teach this team how to play defense. All this talk about motion offense, they must have forgot that you have to play on the other side of the court as well.

Stoned Mountain

November 23rd, 2010
1:20 am

This just in….. The Hawks have quit on Larry Drew.

darrell starks

November 23rd, 2010
1:27 am

STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS,
BENCH BIBBY, JAMAL, MOE, POWEL, ZAZA,
RESERVE JC2, ETAN THOMAS
STREET CLOTHES MARVIN
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

hawkfan

November 23rd, 2010
1:28 am

hahaha well mike woodson right now is saying on his couch “HAHAHAHA SUCKERS, that’s what you get for not listening to me, you have no more defense again” right now the players look like they do not care if they lose games because they know they won’t go far in the playoffs with this lineup, it’s the kind of state where you play enough to be above 60 points but bad enough to not compete even in the 1st quarter, i see their plan, they want the front office to take charge now, and we should give them what they want

EmirS.

November 23rd, 2010
1:45 am

@CP and Section303,

Careful what you wish for buds.

kirkinga

November 23rd, 2010
1:57 am

…beg Jeff Van Gundy to get down here and teach this team how to play defense….

“Beg” being the operative word in your comment. I’m afraid that with what ASG would offer in terms of compensation, it would really be like begging the guy to come coach this team.

Though I would much prefer Van Gundy, I think Coach Drew is entitled to at least the end of the season before we can point an informed finger in his direction. That the Hawks lost in a lopsided fashion to a team they handled last season is troubling.

I think now would be a great time for all those who argued that Coach Woodson was the source of almost every negative issue with this team to step up and support Coach Drew. That goes doubly so for those who championed the guy for years.

Thankfully, it doesn’t look as if the Heat or Magic is going to be pulling away any time soon. At this point in the season, it still would be a good bet that the Hawks will finish 4th’ish in the playoff order.

Go Hawks!!

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 23rd, 2010
2:52 am

Dayum dayum dayum James!
I am with all who want a line up shuffle tomorrow. SMDH

Hawks: Pretenders

November 23rd, 2010
3:22 am

if i was not fully convinced of it before, I am now ….. last years Hawks team would beat this years team by 50+

Not Sund

November 23rd, 2010
3:41 am

Everybody calm down. I know that our core is rotten, changes will be made by the Feb 2011 trade deadline.

Woody needed to go.

Happy Thanksgiving!!

vava74

November 23rd, 2010
3:48 am

Yes, begging that a guy who predicted that MIA would win more than 72 games is really what we need…

What we need is that LD wakes up and actually puts his pre-season plan to play and benches the guys who are not hustling and not playing the type of basketball he preaches.

The reserve team during the garbage minutes played with energy, ball movement and tried to get stops in D.

Mo went to the floor several times, whacked a penetrator, …

Jordan C missed several bad shots showing that his shot selection is a work in progress, but he tried on D and got several rebounds, ACTUALLY boxing out.

Powell played with energy and worked out there.

Teague was benched after his second shift because he did not fight through picks 3 plays in a row leading to 2 three pointers by Nate but, in what did this differ from Bibby’s inability to stay in front of his man?

Get Bibby to come off the bench and start Teague.

Yesterday LD made crucial mistakes and if he does not address them I will have no option but to stop supporting him:

1. JJ is playing hurt and should be shut down until he fully heals. Wade has a similar injury and was 1-12 last night during MIA’s home loss against IND.

So, it’s not just JJ. He simply should not be playing.

2. Al sh!ts his pants against Howard and Shaq. I am disappointed with this chicken little attitude. He has to MAN UP. However, LD should have used Collins off the bench (or even started him) the minute he felt the stench coming from Al’s shorts.

3. Bibby was being burned from minute 1 by Nate. Teague should have gotten in IMMEDIATELY.

4. Josh played MISERABLE man to man D on Garnett. Al is better suited for that assignment as a couple of possessions showed in the second half (one was even an airball by Garnett).

And, another fast break like the two in a row that he lost the ball made a bad pass like that and LD should bench him for the following game.

I don’t care if we then lose by 20 with Powell playing instead of him. I am freaking sick of seeing Josh trying to look like Magic.

5. Jamal is a bad shot and a turnover machine right now and clearly he is not suited for this offense. He now tries to get his teammates more involved but the ball movement is all wrong when he is on the floor and on D we all know what happens.

He should be used in limited minutes.

AND, if indeed there are guys partying, LD should find out who they are and suspend their asses for 5 games without pay.

If we have to show up with only 5 guys to play a game, so be it.

I saw part of the MIA-IND game and the Miami commentators said that O’Brien has a “Hustle Board” in the locker room where he records the hustle plays that don’t show up on the boxscore.

Since he has done that, guys fight to be on top of that board, with Hibbert, Posey and Granger (who used to coast on D) leading the way on deflections, dives, charges, …

I understood from the system that the guys on top get to play more minutes.

Samuel

November 23rd, 2010
5:49 am

I told yall when LD came in all “Gung Ho” this would happen. He ran the team into the grown during training camp and now they have “no legs”. I told yall, Woody had this mediocre bunch playing “Way” above their heads. Now they back to their true selves. I told yall the prim a Donna JJ would fall flat on his face because the man who made him an all star was gone. I told yall Shaq at 50 was better than anything we had on our roster. I told yall Jeff Teague sucked. I told yall LD was a “slick talker” just to get a job. All that Bull about accountability wasn’t about sh_t. Even if he sits the starters, it won’t help cause they still get paid and we still lose. So don’t say I didn’t warn you.

leedsatlanta

November 23rd, 2010
6:28 am

SORRY FOR SHOUTING BUT, WE NEED A TRADE NOW THAT WILL:

1. BRING US A BETTER SF THAN MARVIN AND BENCH HIS ASS.
2. PROVIDE US WITH A BACKUP CENTRE TO REPLACE THE GARBAGE ZAZA. THIS WILL ALLOW US TO USE THE BIG LINE UP OF HORFORD AT PF AND SMOOTH AT THE 3, (WHO BY THE WAY HAS PROVED THE DOUBTERS WRONG THAT HE CAN PLAY THAT POSITION IN CERTAIN INSTANCES TO THE BENEFIT OF THE TEAM).
3.GET RID OF THE BAD APPLE IN THE BARRELL, AKA JAMAL CRAWFORD AS THERE IS NO DOUBT HE IS NOW HINDERING THIS TEAM. HIS D IS BAD AS EVER, BUT NOW HIS OFFENCE IS NOT EVEN MAKING UP FOR IT.
4.SORRY TEAGUE NEEDS A CHANCE. THE GUY HAS NOT EVEN LOGGED MORE THAN 20MINS TWICE THIS YEAR. LET HIM PLAY THROUGH HIS MISTAKES AS HE GIVES MORE D THAN BIBBY AND HE IS ALREADY AVERAGING MORE ASSISTS PER 48 MINS THAN BIBBY.
5.JORDAN CRAWFORD NEEDS MORE MINUTES.HE SHOULD BE IN THE GAME BEFORE MO EVANS AS HE IS A MUCH BIGGER THREAT. I WILL WAGER AGAINST ANYBODY HERE, HE IS GOING TO BE A BIG TIME BALLER HERE WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS!

WE HAVE TRADE BAIT, JAMAL CRAWFORD, MO EVANS, ZAZA, THE TRADE EXCEPTION FROM CHILDRESS AND FIRST ROUND PICKS.
USE THESE ON ANY NUMBER OF TRADES AS MENTIONED ABOVE. FOR TWO SOLID PLAYERS THAT WILL HELP US.
TRADE BAIT = BUTLER AND HAYWOOD
OR
TRADE BAIT= GRANGER AND HIBBERT

THESE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR WILL IMPROVE THIS TEAM!

NEW TEAM

PG TEAGUE
SG JOHNSON
SF ANYBODY THAT WILL GVIE US MORE THAN THE INVISIBLE MAN!
PF SMITH
C HORFORD

2 UNIT

PG BIBBY
SG JORDAN
SF WILLIAMS
PF POWELL
C ANYONE WE CAN GET IN A TRADE WHO WILL BRING MORE THAN ZAZA!

JoJo the Godfather

November 23rd, 2010
7:01 am

I don’t think that Jeff Teague getting yanked in the 3rd and not returning means that he’ll now get promoted to the starting lineup…Now Marvin, he needs to be worried…I can easily see Mo getting his spot (or Collins against larger lineups)…I also thought Jordan & Jamal played much better than Jeff & Jamal do together.

Jeff Teague & Marvin Williams traded to ____ for ___ & ___. Fill in the blanks Sund. We need some guys with a little fire in their bellies.

Rev in Tampa

November 23rd, 2010
7:23 am

The only Hawks player with true leadership attributes = Mo Evans

Jim

November 23rd, 2010
7:25 am

I sounds like they are smoking weed before the game.

yessir

November 23rd, 2010
7:25 am

You don’t need a trade its the coach. This is what yall wanted, Woody gone and he was holding the Hawks back, he didn’t know what he was doing. I agee with Samuel. We are going backwards. Fire LD!!!!

yessir

November 23rd, 2010
7:28 am

Now yall want to trade Teague, just last year Woody needed to give him more playing time. Hawks fans Teague cant shoot. He’s not ready thats why he wasn’t playing. Now you want to trade him LOL! You guys are confused.

30344

November 23rd, 2010
7:29 am

The people on this blog do not know anything about basketball..all i hear is Marvin,Marvin,Marvin..the problem is Drew needs to start Collins at center so that Al, and Josh can move to their natural positions..we need a big man out there..Al is 6ft 8…he is not a center…..Also If Joe is your go to man, you are in big trouble

Rev in Tampa

November 23rd, 2010
7:35 am

Last night finally proved to me that this Hawks team has serious issues. I discounted the poor showing in the preseason as learning curve for the new offense, injuries, and bad habits learned under Woody. I discounted the poor play against the scrub teams during six game win streak as lack of character since the Hawks tend to play down to the level of their competition. I discounted the losses to the better teams as competitive losses except for Milwaukee.

I’m stubborn but I ain’t ignorant. I realize now that except for the preseason victory over the Heat, the Hawks haven’t done anything this year.

As a fan I am eager to cheer on the positives, I will always be slow to be negative, but my whole outlook on this team has changed.

Crow, even well-marinated, still tastes bad.

Salvador Gonzalez

November 23rd, 2010
7:51 am

IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT A DIFFERENT COACH IS NEEDED.
IT IS TIME TO THINK IN THE FUTURE AND GET RID OF ALL THE PLAYERS THAT EITHER ARE TO OLD TO IMPROVE OR THAT HAVE REACHED THEIR LIMITED PEAK(JJ,BIBBY, M.WILLIAMS,M.EVANS, ZAZA,THOMAS,JC2,COLLINS).IT IS TIME TO GET SOME MORE YOUNG PLAYERS AND AT LEAST PUT ON THE FLOOR A TEAM THAT WOULD PLAY WITH INTENSITY AND ENTHUSIASM.
IT IS TIME TO REBUILD….OR MORE ACCURATELY SAID,IT IS TIME TO START ALL OVER AGAIN WITH A BETTER CONCEPT OF HOW TO PUT TOGETHER A GOOD TEAM.
I THINK AL,SMOOVE,TEAGUE AND JC2 ARE A GOOD CORE.
AFTER WHAT I SAW LAST NIGHT AT THE PHILIPS ARENA I HAVE NO DOUBTS THAT THIS SEASON IS OVER FOR THE HAWKS,THE TEAM WOULD BARELY MAKE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS.
I ENJOYED MY LAST 4 DAYS IN ATLANTA,I AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE CITY AND I CONSIDER THIS BEATIFUL TOWN DESERVES A BETTER TEAM.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
7:59 am

Rev,

I think Al has leadership as well. And thats why LD should have named 1 captain, Al. Because what happens when the 3 captains are not on the same page? Who will be the ones to submit?

I agree with cp. This off-season, our new coach talked about accountability. Has anybody seen it?

Jamal is first off the bench (no matter what). Even if he is struggling, he still gets his 29 minutes.

ZaZa gets minutes, no matter what, while Twin gets none (except when Marvin was injured).

I’m sorry , but after last night’s game, LD needs to make an example out of the team. And that’s why I am in favor of starting 5 bench players tonight. That should embarass the players.

Teague/Jordan/Mo/Powell/Twin or Etan would be my starting 5 tonight.

And I would love for MC to have another interview with Rick Sund and ask him about his impressions of the young season.

Neu Yorc

November 23rd, 2010
8:05 am

Contact the Nuggets and trade Joe Johnson for Carmelo Anthony. “Superstars don’t score 6 points vs a conference rival. The coach took Jordan Crawford out of the Dallas game when he was hot-A Mike Woodsen type move.

irvin

November 23rd, 2010
8:13 am

i told you all three years ago that jj was not a superstar and everybody jumped on me. now look what you got he is very selfish and a ball hog. he don’t want to share the ball with his teammates and what is the problem with him and j smoove. him and smoove don’t get along at all. jj wants all the pub, and want his teammates to take a back seat to him the problem has been brewing for the last couple of years and nobody has addressed it. i told you all to bench marvin and bibby last year and now look what is happening. all the guards are quicker than bibby and they know he can’t play defense so they take advantage of him. start jordan crawford and teague in the back court and let them play they can’t be any worse than the starters. let those young guys with fresh legs play and develop. all those centers and guards that were out there over the summer and we didn”t sign any of them. don’t put all the blame on ld, the front office sucks real bad for not attempting to upgrade this team.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
8:24 am

From Mark Bradley’s article;

“It took the Hawks six years to stop listening to Mike Woodson. It has taken one month for them to tune out his successor.” .

Memo to Rick Sund. This is not a sacred core. Our core should be 2 players. Josh Smith and Al. Everybody else should be expendable.

Another Memo to Rick. Woody was a problem, but he was not the only problem. We dont have the right mix of players. Make a move.

At least Miami lost (how long before Riley steps in), and Orlando lost.

dap01

November 23rd, 2010
8:24 am

Bibby is a role player. He is a spot shooter and that is it. A PG should provide leadership and be able to create when no one is really shooting well. Bibby can play NO defense, he can NOT penetrate. He is a great shooter but probably the WORST PG is the league. We need better PG play.

MsDee

November 23rd, 2010
8:34 am

What I have noticed so far is that the Hawks have did a complete 380 degree turn with wins on the road than at home. Yall are saying that Jamal needs to continue to read the blog and pass along the comedy strip by, POST GAME, WHICH WAS HILARIOUS BY-THE-DAY, to his teammates but I say NOOOO! That’s the problem, they are TOO into what us fans are saying, which 90% of the time is NEGATIVE, so they carry that crap on the home floor with results like last night. I was at the game last night and mann I thought I was in Boston instead of Atlanta!! SOO many Boston fans were there cheering louder than us Hawks fans…IT WAS TRULY SAD!! I think the Hawks are now more comfortable playing on the road than at home so I believe we are still a 55+ win team, our wins just will be coming from the road now instead of at home…whats the difference than last season when we had a better home record and STILL won 53 wins???

Boom Dizzle

November 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

@Post Game…..I just STOPPED laughing after reading that….the sad part about it is it sounds accurate…….

MsDee

November 23rd, 2010
8:35 am

CORRECTION…360 DEGREE TURN!

Chris

November 23rd, 2010
8:42 am

Trade Marvin today for anyone

Mike is back

November 23rd, 2010
8:47 am

MC, first off…WHAT A DESPIRITING LOST…these guys are stinking it up at home…at times it was so quiet…U COULD HEAR A ROACH PISS ON COTTON. LOL

Hey, we all knew we would get to this point…ESPECIALLY WITH THIS GROUP OF SELFISH PLAYERS…at some point in the season. But as much as I was encouraged by LD’s post game speech…IT WANT MEAN A THING…if he comes out with the same rotation…Talk is cheap…that starting rotation is dead…that’s what got your predecessor fired.

However, amidst the storm and all the clouds…there was a ray of hope…both Jeff Teague and Jordon Crawford…shows signs they are ready to play some meaningful minutes. LD has some options…I have been waiting for him to play Teague and JC2 together…and he finally did it. They have chemistry together…you can see it…Surely, they are no more of a defensive liability…then what you currently have…SO it ain’t that big of risk.

IT TIME FOR LD TO BACK UP SOME THAT TOUGH TALK…sit some these guys down…if they are not performing to your expectation. Heck, tha still under contract…tha gon get paiiiiiid. lol

It early in the season…so LD still has time…to recover from these abysmal disheartening performances by his team.

I want even speak on Marvin…sitting over there with his towel over head…like he was a shamed or sumin…If he was embarrassed…U SURE COULDN’T TELL WHEN HE WAS IN GAME. lol

It was a great post game speech by LD…let’s see…who will answer the call!!

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

J from the A

November 23rd, 2010
8:50 am

Just the other day I mentioned that I have thought all along the Hawks only (primary) issue was their lack of depth. (Actually, I have hounded this point since I have joined these boards during the off season.)

Now I am starting to wonder if there really are more deep-ingrained “team chemistry” — for lack of a better term — issues. I thought things looked promising when the Hawks battled back against Phoenix, and then again against the Magic. After all, last year we would have all expected the Hawks to have folded after being down by such large deficits late in the game, but in both games, they fought back showing a little bit of heart. But then the Hawks were blown out by Milwaukee. But, hey, even the best teams have really bad games, even against inferior opponents. The problem is, as we all know, the Hawks still have not be able to pull of a W against a quality opponent (I hesitate to call the Pacers ‘quality’).

It’s still early in the season, and the issues may not be deep-ingrained team chemistry issues. Perhaps the lack of bench is really frustrating and really tiring. The “bench issue” could easily translate into behavior that looks like deep-ingrained team chemistry issues.

I don’t know. Unlike most of us here on the blog, I refuse to pretend like I know what each and every player is thinking and what their supposedly psychologically made of. But I do have to admit that I am starting to get a little worried … I don’t like the sound of a 46 win team getting blown out in the 1st round of the playoffs. I mean I appreciate the team having a winning season and making it to the playoffs, but there is really no excuse for why this team should be regressing.

fan of the game

November 23rd, 2010
8:50 am

Maybe coaching wasn’t the problem last year! They looked a heck of alot more competitive. Nothing against Coach Drew, but maybe the coaching was pretty good last year!

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
8:51 am

LOL @ Post-Game Entertainment. Who’s this Marvin we keep speaking about? LOL

BENCH MARVIN WILLIAMS.

I AM SORRY, GUYS.

I DON’T CARE IF I AM THE MOST HATED PERSON HERE — THIS GUY FLAT OUT SUCKS. HE HAS NO DESIRE TO BE GOOD. HE ONLY HAS A HALF-DECENT GAME IF HE GETS CALLED OUT. HE HAS NO HEART. HE IS A FRAIL STIFF WITH NO UPPER BODY STRENGTH.

I CAN NAME 6 PLAYERS ON OUR BENCH BETTER THAN MARVIN WILLIAMS. HE WOULD NOT START ON ANY OTHER TEAM. WE COULD’VE TRADED THIS GUY IN A PACKAGE FOR MONTA FREAKING ELLIS OR MO/SHAQ, BUT SUND, THE GENIUS HE IS, HESITATED ON BOTH.

START COLLINS HORFORD AND SMOOVE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE’S SOMEONE LIKE SHAQ IN THERE. COLLINS AT LEAST TRIES. MARVIN IS AN AWKWARD STIFF WITH NO DESIRE TO HELP THIS TEAM WIN. WE BET AGAINST OURSELVES GIVING HIM THAT EGREGIOUS CONTRACT

J from the A

November 23rd, 2010
8:55 am

MsDee,

I like your positive outlook! Perhaps the Hawks will still win 50+, maybe even 55. Perhaps they will continue to win on the road. Perhaps they will all be playing at a higher level by season’s end. It is still early.

However, I hesitate to blame any of the Hawks problems on so-called fans. Even so, I will be the first to admit that the Hawks fans are pretty bad at being fans.

GO HAWKS!

Westurd

November 23rd, 2010
9:01 am

season tickets for sale…..I’ll give you $200 bucks and all my tickets if you just take this stench off my hands. Disgusted with last nights game. Our JV girls squad didn’t even show up. Pathetic effort. Pathetic (I’m bitter and hungover this morning….both becuase of the game last night).

Double Zero Eight

November 23rd, 2010
9:02 am

You can shuffle the lineup anyway you want. This group is incapable of beating Milwaukee,
Miami, Boston or Orlando in the playoffs; and cannot seriously contend for an eastern conference championship.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:03 am

MC’s tweet says that Teague was frustrated in huddle. What happened?

SUND SAID ON RADIO BEFORE YEAR ONLY TRADES WOULD HAPPEN AFTER THE SEASON IF WE DIDN’T DO BETTER IN THE PLAYOFFS. I DOUBT A TRADE WILL BE MADE.

TINKER WITH THE STARTING LINEUP ALREADY

Ray

November 23rd, 2010
9:06 am

@dap01 now I just don’t agree with that statement about Bibby. Plus the guy is getting old there’s a reason when he was younger that Sacramento went as far as they did in the playoffs that one year.

Plus Bibby does have leadership abilities this much I know.

One thing the hawks need to stop doing which it seems they always do is Switching on defense they always do this, and get killed cause they create mismatches.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:10 am

WE MIGHT HAVE 0 ALL STARS THIS YEAR. JOE SUCKS, SMOOVE WILL NEVER MAKE IT, AND HORFORD MIGHT GET BEATEN OUT BY A BOGUT OR NOAH EVEN THOUGH E SHOULDN’T

STOP PLAYING MARVIN WILLIAMS. HE SUCKS

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:10 am

WHEN MARVIN WILLIAMS SHOOTS, 99.999% OF THE TIME I’M HOPING HE MISSES SO WE CAN ALL LAUGH AT HOW MUCH HE SUCKS

yessir

November 23rd, 2010
9:12 am

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
9:13 am

I CAN’T BELIEVE TEAGUE HASN’T BEATEN OUT BIBBY FOR THE STARTING JOB YET. HE MUST BE PRETTY BAD IN PRACTICE.

MAYBE THE REASON HE DIDN’T GET BACK IN IN THE 4TH WAS BECAUSE HE GOT AGITATED IN THE HUDDLE OR SOMETHING

GrymmDaReaper

November 23rd, 2010
9:14 am

Wait a minute… I was upset we did not make that trade Marvin Williams for Shaq from Cleveland. People on here convinced me it was a bad trade because Marvin was to young and may shine in this ” motion offence”. I thought all Woody needed was a legit center to battle the bigs in the L and elevate this team again as he did the last 4 years. Yet, I was convinced by people on here that thats not the problem, Woody just needs to go. Now Woody is somewhere on his couch with a chuckle saying ” oh damn well “. Oh yea ,I was told that Shaq would be a cancer on this team, but now it seems everybody thinks this team is all cancered up without him. Sund needs to go. If this team does not get a 4th seed or higher than LD needs to go at the end of the season.

Geemack

November 23rd, 2010
9:16 am

I can’t believe you guys are surprised at what we are seeing.

The writing has been on the wall the entire time, but management through up a smoke to divert your attention (Fire Woody).

2008 verses Boston the Hawks lost by 23, 19, 25, & 34. They never showed up on the road.

2009 verses Miami in the games they lost 15, 29, & 26. They won the series but never showed up for 3 of the games against a 1 man show.

2009 verses the Cavs. the Hawks lost by 27, 20, 15, & 10.

Also instead of taking responsibility for their horrible play. They blamed the injuries to key players as their reason for not putting forth consistent effort and playing hard.

The infamous 2010 playoff series verses the Magic they lost by 43, 14, 30, and 14.

Now how have the Hawk treated the players that have underachieved in 3 straight playoff?

They’ve rewarded Horford, JJ, Josh, Marvin, Zaza & Bibby with new contracts the last 3 off season.

It kinda hard to commit to playing hard when you’ve been rewarded for quitting.

I’ve said from the beginning the Hawks put LD in a bad spot by not bringing some new blood.

Also LD put himself in a bad spot by not addressing the issues that have killed this team the last 3 seasons, horrible defensive effort and schemes.

The offense was not the biggest probem.

doc

November 23rd, 2010
9:26 am

post game, cudos. either br or nc. very insightful, whoever.

astro mentioned the word culture i see. i have writtne of it on the other site of big ray:

heard dimetrov today on 790. pick it up and listen to it if possible on the 790 fan website if they are webcasting it. great interview, he gets it. first of all he sounds like a man in charge when he speaks. for that matter frank wren for better or worse sounds the same way. it is very different than the mouthpiece that is the hawks gm in rick sund. he never seems to be speaking his mind, only giving the spiel that he used to get the job or very carefully picking his words now so as to not say anything his bosses would not like to hear. yeah i am reading and listening between the lines, no evidence and gut talking pretty loud here.

the other thing that really rang hard and true was dimetrov is about building the pieces of a culture to compete at the level it is necessary to compete at. he says it is all about the now. unfortunately, this team was built for the future. so when does that come and when are the players to feel the urgency is now if they havent been taught that? it is about the culture and one that breeds this type of entitled lackadaisical attitudes. no team, to really compete has been done in the method this team tried it where it was built by the draft only. it didnt work in chicago when they tried it, may not fly in portland though they were closer, it may happen in okc, so it will be the first.

i dont think this core has got it unless a very smart and proven coach that these guys respect and know he has the guts to send them packing and has the control to do it arrives on the scene. if a new coach arrives on the scene he also has to convince owners he has the capability to get them a championship if they spend the money to compete with the big boys and go over their present budget. i dont think however that is the culture that gearon wants. he is the one playing in the sand box he dreamed about having from his school days on. my impression, i dont think he gets it either, it IS about the culture.

also, if a real big dog coach comes in, he has to be able to be a part of the big picture and not depend on the gm to pass his ideas along. i doubt that would happen either. gm sund would not do for that is my guess as well. samuel’s “my boy rick” is all about the status quo …. core it is.

btw, where is samuel to tout his gm now? not quite as vocal as he is about touting woody now is he? if woody had come in and had the team do the same thing with him which it would have, samuel, would you change your tune?

doc

November 23rd, 2010
9:30 am

for all those still saying we had reasonable four point losses. in three of those we fell behind by about an avg of 20 points. throw in some blowouts where we couldnt recover to make it respectable and the veneer is beginning to fray to your argument.

who dat that says this is a 50 win team today? are there that many inferior trams on the schedule or we are still lucky to be in the east?

K.W.

November 23rd, 2010
9:31 am

I don’t think it’s fair to say fire LD (yet) because you’re basically saying the players are not responsible. It’s so easy to blame the coach when things are not looking good.The Hawks need to be real with themselves, they say they can beat anybody, but they haven’t proved it yet. All of the losses so far have been to playoff teams, and this is the reason why the critics/analyst say they are not an “elite team” in the East. I know it’s still earlier, but the Hawks have to get it together. THE PLAYERS NEED TO STOP TAKING CRITICISM PERSONAL, MAN UP AND GET TO WORK.

Astro Joe

November 23rd, 2010
9:36 am

One of the most disturbing things is that Uncle Larry’s comments suggest that he is seeing behavior that he previously has not seen while living in the same house with these guys for the past 6 years. Either he wasn’t paying attention or the players are behaving in a new (and destructive) manner. Either option is bad, really bad.

Great offense? Given this team’s waning focus level, let’s compare the first 14 games of this season with last season. If you believe that the ultimate measure of an offense is points/game, then even the image of a new and better offense is a mirage. We averaged more points after the first 14 games of last season than we have this season. There is little doubt that the current offense features a better design, but the goal of the design is to score, right?

Winless against quality teams. Last sobering thought. According to ESPN’s Hollinger ranking, the Hawks had played on of the 10 easiest schedules in the NBA prior to the Celtics contest. So while this team will surely get better in the coming weeks, so will the level of competition. Bulls have a slightly better record without Boozer. The Heat haven’t come close to geling. Not to mention that other teams appear more likely to try to improve their roster through mid-season transactions.

Thank goodness for the view of the Nets and Wizards immediately ahead.

lewis

November 23rd, 2010
9:40 am

lol @ the nba.com “celtics crush atlanta hawks in laugher”

Ray

November 23rd, 2010
9:41 am

At this point we just need some trades that’s all I can really say, but the thing is with who.

I say we dump off JC1 and Marvin to the Mavs for Haywood and Butler that’s just me though I know not too many people agree, but it would work.

valleyboy32

November 23rd, 2010
9:45 am

man this team is sorry as they come beat loosing teams cant beat elite teams i’m tired of this just move this team out this state we dont need another looser atl team if owners put what lil money the wanna give to players and coaches whats the use i dont want an average team milwakee aready closed the gap on us who else next this whole organization is a joke just like this team why lord why !!!!!

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
9:50 am

“2008 verses Boston the Hawks lost by 23, 19, 25, & 34. They never showed up on the road.” Geemack .

Which is exactly why I think Sund should have let Woody go instead of giving him a 2 year extension that offseason.

Sure, there were 3 inspiring victories at home, but to not compete on the road should have been a sign.

If Sund had brought in a new coach with a 2 year deal at that time, he would have known by now if players were the problem, or was it coaching.

If he had brought in a new coach at that time, he would have had a chance to evaluate Marvin, Bibby and ZaZa for 1 year under the new coach (before they became FA).

But typical Sund, he stays with the status quo, and got burned 2 more years in the playoffs. And now, he is staying with the status quo again, and chances are he might get burned again if he doesnt make a move.

tidog

November 23rd, 2010
9:50 am

It’s still early in the season for everyone even the boys in south beach are struggling. Insanity= doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Even if a change in personnell is not possible a change in resource management must become a priority. The hawk system has young players being under utilized and older players being over utilized. They must develope these young guns like Teague and Crawford. If that means less playing minutes for Marvin, Jamal Bibby so be it. Guys come out of college ready for nba competition all the time, it’s a young man’s game you just got to get in the game.

Rafa Nadal

November 23rd, 2010
9:59 am

Boston did come out smoking last night, and Shaq was creating some real problems for us early on with all those off rebs for dunks. Since this game was lost in the first quarter, that’s all I can really look at here.
The hawks are a jump shooting team, and when Al and Bibby didn’t make their open shots early there was no backup plan on offense. The missed Js turned into fast breaks and the hawks didn’t have the intensity to get back and defend.

now someone tell me which clubs the guys are hitting up on sunday night?

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 23rd, 2010
10:00 am

The “core” are vets and have been together long enough where they shouldnt have to constantly talk about how much they need to come out with “more energy” and “soul searching” as much as they do. Those guys can save that bull.

It’s obvious that they simply have peaked.

I think the problem is that they’ve peaked, they know it, and it’s now frustrating them because they know they just cant reach elite status together as currently constructed. So, they’ve kinda gave up.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
10:02 am

This is an emotionally fragile basketball team consisting of guys who can’t take criticism. Any time Smoove is called out or something is suggested, he denies it or cries. Grow up already. You are professional basketball players, not some scrubs in the YMCA league with that high-strung 64 year old coach

THERE IS NO LEADERSHIP. SMOOVE AND JOE SHOULD NOT BE CAPTAINS

JOE IS STEALING MONEY FROM THIS TEAM. 5.5+ MORE YEARS OF HIS INVISIBILITY AND UNDESERVING ALL STAR SELECTIONS IF HE GETS THEM

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
10:02 am

“I say we dump off JC1 and Marvin to the Mavs for Haywood and Butler that’s just me though I know not too many people agree, but it would work.” Ray .

Have you seen Haywood’s salary for the next 5 years? According to hoopshype, starting with this season, $6.9 mil, $7.6 mil, $8.3 mil, $9 mil, and $9.8 mil.

I like Mavs owner Cuban, because he spends money. But as nire points out about the ASG, Cuban isnt spending his money wisely.

First, he overpayed for Dampier years ago. And now he overpayed badly for Haywood.

I would do a Marvin and piece for Butler though.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
10:07 am

Speaking of Dampier, Hoopshype is reporting that he will be signing with the Heat.

And Melvin posted a link about Jamal being distracted. This is an excerpt.

Crawford has said Drew has told him to “just go out there and have fun.” But the 12-year man says the uncertainty about an extension has remained a distraction even when he tells himself to get it out of his mind..

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/11/22/jamal-crawford-admits-his-uncertain-future-has-affected-his-play/

So what can we expect from Jamal going forward? Is he really going to buy in? Is he willing to sacrifice for the good of the team, despite his distractions?

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
10:10 am

““How to truly make players better, what that really means,” he said. “It’s not just passing to your guys and getting them shots. It’s not getting this or that many players into double figures. That’s bull[expletive]. That’s not how you win championships. You’ve got to change the culture of your team – that’s how you truly make guys better. In a way, you have to help them to get the same DNA that you have, the same focus you have, maybe even close to the same drive. That’s how you make guys better.

“I’ve never understood this stuff, where a star player sits out and a team goes into the tank. Well, they need him because he makes them better. Well, if he’s making them better, they should be able to survive without him. That’s how you lead your guys. You’ve got to be able to make guys suffice on their own, without you. If you’re there all the time and they take you away, they shouldn’t need a respirator.”

-Kobe

YEAH I DON’T SEE JOE JOHNSON PUSHING THOSE IDEAS

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
10:11 am

HAYWOOD IS NOT THAT OVERPAID. HE JUST HAS HAD A BAD START TO THE YEAR. TYSON/HAYWOOD (WHEN BOTH HEALTHY) IS A DAMN GOOD CENTER COMBO, EVEN IF HORFY OWNED THEM THE OTHER NIGHT

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
10:14 am

THE MAVS & MAGIC ARE TWO EXTREMELY TALENTED AND DEEP TEAMS THAT CHOKE IN THE PLAYOFFS. I DON’T EVEN THINK WE’RE AT THAT POINT YET. WE’RE JUST A “TALENTED” TEAM THAT CHOKES IN THE PLAYOFFS.

RICK SUND, DEAL WITH YOUR FAMILY MATTER (HOPE ALL IS WELL) AND THEN FIX UP THIS DAMN TEAM. MICHAEL GEARON WHERE YOU AT

STRETCH

November 23rd, 2010
10:14 am

People, its what they always say. You get what you pay for! Sund and Co sat on their hands over the offseason while everyone else was getting better.

This team has no chemistry…especially when things start going south. Im not an owner, heck i still dont own a home, dont have a degree, and i dont wear a suit and tie everyday, but i do know this much…You dont appoint JSmith as captain of ANYTHING!

And whats up with 3 captains anyway?????

If they dont make a move soon, this whole thing will blow up.

Section 303

November 23rd, 2010
10:18 am

EmirS, right…be careful what we wish for. Because, without Joe, who else could we pay $24-million to score 6-pts and barely try? You’re right…we had better be careful.

Give me a f’ing break!

Astro Joe

November 23rd, 2010
10:28 am

My prediction is that LD starts Mo Evans tonight. And while that will please many around here, using Marvin as a scapegoat is cheap and meaningless. If you want to appear to be the “new Sheriff in town”, you don’t pick a fight with the outlaw with a patch over one eye, a limp and a toy pistol. You go after one of the main bad boys… not his sidekick’s sidekick’s sidekick. Let’s see what “accountability” looks like tonight. If he picks on Marvin, it will be like walking on a playground and challenging the boy who is reading a book with coke-bottle glasses to a fight, while a few other kids are standing there smoking and sharpening their knives.

Hawk n the Ham

November 23rd, 2010
10:29 am

Wow. That’s all I can say. I won’t be surprised to see ‘Aarons Luck Dog’ ticket specials apply to ALL home games for the rest of the season. Just to get fans to come back.

Doesn’t look like I will be coming to any more games for a while. On top of marquee game $$ for tix and the extra $$ I have to spend on gas driving from B’ham and back for a game doesn’t make sense.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
10:31 am

PLAYERS ONLY MEETINGS ALWAYS HELP THIS TEAM. HOPE THEY RUN ONE. I’M OUT

Astro Joe

November 23rd, 2010
10:39 am

JeJe, players only meetings before playing the Nets and Wizards usually are GREAT for turning things around. Of course, any of us could talk to the players before playing the Nets and Wizards and likely have the same impact… but let’s keep that to ourselves.

Samuel

November 23rd, 2010
10:43 am

Doc,
Why you keep calling Rick “My Boy”. LOL!!He was when he first got here. He immediately signed Bibby and I “thought” he was serious. Since then, he’s gone steadily down hill by refusing to get any legit players in here, signing JJ to that outrageous deal and most of all, Firing the man who turned this pathetic franchise around. You know that. Rick don’t know his as_ from a hole in the ground.

When you got the lowest paid coach in the league who hasn’t proven a dam_ thing it’s pretty ovious that when adversity hits the players will turn on him. I’m wondering just how long the ASG will hang with LD just to prove a point. At the rate we’re going(downhill fast), I don’t see us even making the playoffs and if we don’t will that get LD fired since they only owe him chump change anyway?

Joe,
I also said all along that pretty don’t count. Woody’s offense was effective because our two best offensive players were one on one players. He made JJ and all star and Jamal 6MOY now look at em. Our best offensive player is Al Horford who can’t hold his own against “ANY” bigtime center in this league.

It’s gonna be a long, ugly season guys. Hunker Down..LOL!!

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
10:44 am

ASTRO JOE, I THINK MARK BRADLEY IS RIGHT:

THE PLAYERS WANTED LD BECAUSE HE IS NICER AND WOULDN’T MAKE THEM WORK AS HARD

I.MUS WRITE

November 23rd, 2010
10:46 am

The motion offense has exposed JJ and Jamal…….. Ball movement and passing is their kryptonite. I dont know where this team is going but it doesnt look good -losing to playoff type teams and beating up on the bottom feeders sounds like a 1st round exit to me. The Bucks are licking their chops to get a rematch.
Marvin needs to be benched ASAP-For the love of god sit his azz down. He isnt helping us at all.

Teague
JJ
Smoove
Horford

I notice people doggn Josh-The guy has had one bad game against arguably the best defensive team in the league-u should probably direct your hate at JJ and marvin for not producing. Josh has been our best player so far this year give the guy a break already.

I think im only going to watch when we play playoff teams. Nobody wants to see Ga State play Alabama,but every body wants to seeAlabama at Auburn….Talent level

GEAUX FALCONS 8-2 Baby YEEEEAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

November 23rd, 2010
10:51 am

JeJe, but the players didn’t hire LD, the ASG hired LD. Sure, the players wnated “Uncle Larry” because that is who they ran to when Daddy was treating them harshly. So they figured it would be better to have Uncle Larry than someone who may handle them in an undesirable way. But I don’t blame the players… I don’t blame LD and I don;t even blame Sund. I think Sund really wanted to go “outside” of what BK/Woody had done previously (LD is linked to BK/Woody). But Gearon chose LD. I think LD is probably a very good game strategist but this team needs more than someone who can design offensive schemes. LD wants to coach schemes and the players still need to be reminded about effort, energy and professionalism… it’s a mess… a poker-hot mess.

PRESTONI

November 23rd, 2010
10:54 am

Keeping this so-called Core Group together really constitutes an Unlawful Gathering. It was so obvious that Changes needed to be made–I guess the justification for not doing anything is that we didn’t want to take a New Team Picture. There are Major Chemistry Issues with this Team and not only do most of the Players lack a Winning Mentality but they also have No Heart. When I see Players barely putting forth Any Effort (and I used to Dive on the Concrete in Playground Games) it is time to Remove the Kiss Cam and install a Kick In The Azz Cam in the Arena. Really at this point in time it is beyond obvious that Changes need to be made. I really rather see us Trade for Little Bo Peep than keep this Cast of Characters in tact. There is no real danger of making a Bad Trade, because this is already a Bad Team that is going nowhere. Losing 5 of the last 6 Games at Home and being humiliated by an Injured Boston Celtic Team should destroy anything we were hanging our hat on–so WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO PROTECT!!!

The Truth

November 23rd, 2010
11:02 am

Hawks fans (again), let not your heart be troubled, if you believe in watching good elite-level basketball, then believe also in “The Truth”. These are not the same Hawks of last season and after painfully watching them play against the Celtics; that is not a compliment. They look uninspired without a mission or purpose at home. As a team, they are playing like a paddleboat without the paddle just going through the motion. You can see it in their eyes, a new belief that they might just be mediocre at best, perhaps not even worthy of second tier. They are playing based on last season glory instead of the necessary work for current game preparations. Against the Celtics, they look like d-leaguers. Because of that, I must give an unpopular but necessary kudos to Woody for motivating this mediocre bunch to overachieving heights. Woody drove their emotions by preaching a “No Respect, We Will Prove Them Wrong” sermon. It implanted a chip of their shoulders and they played hard at the “Highlight Factory” and it was literally called that for a reason. With his pastoral voice, he challenged their manhood and gave them a mission. They responded and went places they had never been before. Yes, old news but a very important history lesson nonetheless about the things that drive this team. No disrespect to LD, but as dysfunctional as this team is, as currently constructed, he will not be successful until he fuel their emotions and channel the current humiliating beat-down into something positive. Yes, by any means necessary even if that means challenging their manhood. If they got any balls (left), they should respond including JJ. What good is it, to have all that money when no one gives a dam about you? Fame is equally important. His quest for greatness (via HOF) if he has any becomes a joke.

PS

I’m out for the holiday

Happy Thanksgiving

My early Christmas wish; Sund is fired at the end of this basketball season

doc

November 23rd, 2010
11:08 am

jeje your going to maybe hate this but i made a kobe/ jj comparison yesterday. what do they say about like minds? :-)

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
11:09 am

SUND THOUGHT IF WE HAD THE SAME TEAM THIS YEAR, EVERYONE WOULD NATURALLY IMPROVE.

HE FORGOT WE HAVE MIKE BIBBY, MARVIN, AND ZAZA AS 3 OF OUR KEY ROTATIONAL PLAYERS. LOL

Mike is back

November 23rd, 2010
11:11 am

Doc, great comment on TD…what a class guy.
I still think LD has what it takes…to get the job done…like YOU elegantly put IT…DOES SUND AND THE ASG HAVE HIS BACK…that’s the 640000000000000000 dollar question. lol

Let’s not forget…during some tumultuous stretches of the Birds rebuilding…people was questioning MSmith leadership ability too…it’s the nature of the beast.

I’ll say this…when you hear one of LD’s assistance speak…they are saying the same thing…the coaches are on the same page…this one is on the guys in the UNIs. This is no time for them to start falling apart…they need to focus on ways they can come together and rally behind their coach.

Fortunately, the Hawks are not the only team in the East enduring some struggle…we are what 1.5 games behind Orland,2 games behind Boston, and tied with Heat and Bulls…it’s still a looong way to go. I’m not going to even entertain myself with thought that Sund would make a meaningful trade…just to change the culture of the team…I can hear him now…we still like our core…WHAT EVER!!!!!!!

KevinM

November 23rd, 2010
11:17 am

SEC303, man I feel for you….you are giving up your hard earned $$ to be disappointed once again.

I told myself if they brought back Joe, not another dime was coming from me…..LD was not the best choice either.

I will watch from afar and just laugh like I did last night when turning away from college basketball to see the Hawks down 48-25 in the 2nd quarter…..and Shaq just wasn’t a good fit here….haha.

Rick Sund, you continue to amaze me with your insight.

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
11:20 am

( sigh )

I think Drew is in complete denial about the talent on the Hawks. But the real crime was committed by Sund during the offseason. The “we like our core” line, is going to become one of the most infamous lines in Atlanta sports history.

This was NOT the same Boston team that we faced last year. Since that 4 game regular season sweep, they’ve added Nate Robinson, Shaq, Delonte West, and Jermaine O’Neal.

In other words, Boston made a concerted effort to upgrade their team, starting last February, and continued to do it over the summer. Their bench players are good enough to step into a starting role if need be.

It was so frustrating to see Shaq dominate us . . again. Supposedly “old man Shaq” completely had his way against us. And people, including our all-knowing GM, acted like we didn’t need or couldn’t use a player like that?

When that Cleveland rumor came down over the summer, I said that there is NO WAY that the “fear” of losing Marvin Williams should stop a deal for Shaq, even if you had to pay Shaq 2 yrs – 14 mill to bring him to ATL.

That was a toughness-changing, economic-changing type move for the franchise, and Sund and the front office did absolutely nothing to seriously bring that guy in.

And I won’t even mention the refusal to pay for Avery Johnson ( OK, I just mentioned him ). That was the different, outside voice that if here, wouldn’t be playing favorites amongst the players. He simply would be playing the guys that could get it done.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
11:26 am

OF COURSE SUND AND ASG HAVE DREW’S BACK.

DO YOU THINK THEY’RE GONNA FIRE LD AND PAY HIM THE MONEY HE IS OWED? THE ASG HAS NO MONEY TO SPEND. THEY ARE TOO CHEAP TO FIRE DREW AND PAY HIM MONEY WITHOUT HIM BEING THERE.

LD: SEND A MESSAGE TONIGHT. BENCH THE STARTERS SANS HORFORD. LET TEAGUE, MO, COLLINS, AND JO/CRAW START. MAYBE JAMAL INSTEAD OF JO-CRAW.

DO SOMETHING

Geemack

November 23rd, 2010
11:37 am

JeJe

That quote from Kobe is on point.

The problem with the Hawks is, there’s nobody in the organization that’s obsessed with winning. That’s why Kobe has won 5 out of 7 rings the last 14 seasons.

Geemack

November 23rd, 2010
11:41 am

northcyde

Great post northcyde.

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
11:41 am

The Joe Johnson situation

Someone on this training staff needs to find out if this dude is seriously hurt or not. If he is, this is the perfect time to shut him down for a week or two, with the “weak” opponents coming up.

JJ has said in the past that rest won’t necessarily help the hand situation. But if he’s hurtng, something needs to be done about, because we can’t have him continue to shoot like that.

Having said that, JJ’s shot selection, and more importantly his aggressiveness, has to dramatically improve. And in games in which Horford and Smith have a bad matchup, he MUST try to put the team on his back. But he has to do that by taking good shots ( i.e. – the floater in the lane ).

The 3 ball just isn’t falling for him right now, so he needs to rely on it less, even when wide open. I want to see the offense get him the ball within that 18 foot area, and for him to get into the paint more to shoot the higher percentage shot. And the dude has to man up and start drawing more fouls, even looking to draw a foul. If he’s 2 – 10 FG, I also want to see him be 7 – 8 FT.

( And since you read the blog Jamal Crawford . . you need to do the same thing. Both of you guys are ice cold from 3, so how about taking a few midrange shots, or ( gasp ) go all the way to the hole and draw a foul, to get into some sort of rhythm. Don’t just keep gunning away from 3 and wasting possessions )

LAUGHING IN INDY

November 23rd, 2010
11:46 am

BETWEEN POST GAME ENTERTAINMENTS SCRIPT AND KIRK KINGA USE OF THE WORD ” 4TH-ISH , I AM LEAVING THIS BLOG IN TEARS OF LAUGHTER ..I CANT TAKE ANY MORE..I’VE BEEN LAUGHING SO HARD THAT I AM NOW STARTING TO FILL LIKE I WANT TO VOMIT..I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE..LOL

Mike is back

November 23rd, 2010
11:57 am

Astro Joe, on your 10:28…I concur…I may have mention Marvin…in my initial post…however I was referring to starting six…tha no who tha is…u no who tha is.

Like I said, LD has some options…the reserves he has are not world beaters…but they all he got…u gotta go with what u got…Word Up.

When we play teams with young, quick athletic PGs…we gotta go with our young quick PGs…now you have two viable option…When we play teams with Bigs with length…we gotta go Big at the Pivot…if Al and Zaza are struggling…give Eton another shot…instead always going with ole Tofu…in some cases I would go with Powell. Heck, just do something…don’t keep rolling out the same line up…just to please egooooooooos…just saying.

Doc, can u believe some people were actually comparing Tofu to Shaq…jeeeeez.

My bad…on the cheap hit…I HAD TO GET IT ON…lol heh heh

GET YAWS ASSSSSSSES IN GEAR…AND LETS GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not Sund

November 23rd, 2010
11:58 am

People I hear you, the CORE has got to be broken up, these players don’t want to be together any longer and they are trying to force changes with their lack of effort. I can make that happen and I will.

Mike is back

November 23rd, 2010
12:03 pm

I.MUS WRITE, dang daaaaawg…really funny stuff on your 10:40 post…I didn’t want to say it…I thought it was just me. heh heh

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
12:06 pm

Same startin 5 tonight. Bank on it!

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
12:08 pm

Mike is back

November 23rd, 2010
12:12 pm

Terrell, dang bro…I having a good time…please don’t wake me up. lol

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
12:16 pm

THE HEAT ARE WAIVING STACKHOUSE IN ORDER TO SIGN DAMPIER.

SIGN JERRY STACKHOUSE PLEASE.

THIS IS OUR 3RD OPPORTUNITY IN 2 YEARS. HELL, START THE GUY. HE CAN STILL PUT THE BALL IN THE HOOP AND HE IS A VET. I’D TAKE STACKHOUSE OVER MARVIN WILLIAMS AS A STARTER ANY DAY

SIGN STACKHOUSE

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
12:19 pm

Heck, Damien Wilkins > Marvin

Grandad

November 23rd, 2010
12:25 pm

northcyde

I’ll concede the Shaq point you make.
Last eve I was most impressed with the man.
When totally committed he is still a force.

*[from a previous post]
When has Sund ever been “my boy”?

Now about Joe:
He may be injured, but why do you defend him so mightily?
Right now Joe is stealing money.
Money that he selfishly harvested from ASG, while his teammates
took less for the greater good.

Get out the broom & clean house!
Major trade! Blockbuster! It’s time!
Joe + Teague + Marv [pkg] = Value of some kind.

Joe’s contract is less obtrusive now.
Every year older he will become more and more difficult to move.

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
12:28 pm

Defense

Drew believes that this team can be a top 10 defense. But as currently constructed, there’s no way in hell that this can happen. And because Drew’s strength as a coach isn’t defense in the first place, it simply makes it that much harder for us on D.

I say that because everytime this team struggles to stop people, his response to that is an OFFENSIIVE one, instead of a defensive one. That’s how the team has gotten into even more trouble in some of these games.

If Bibby is struggling defensively, Drew’s response is to take Marvin out ( because he isn’t doing anything ), and insert another scorer ( Jamal ) into the game.

Now you have a situation in which both Bibby and Jamal are on the floor. And if those guys aren’t making shots, the decifit will grow.

If Teague and Mo Evans are your best perimeter defenders off the bench ( and they’re average defenders at best ), they need to be the 1st ones off the bench when the team is struggling on D. Still get Jamal his minutes . . just bring him in later on in the quarter when the team can’t stop anybody.

The same goes for Jason Collins ( even though he’s garbage, but does have a little value as a average man defender ). If a center is lighting us up, don’t respond to that by bringing in Zaza, simply because he’s ahead of Collins in the rotation.

Even by doing that though, we don’t have good overall defensive personnnel on this team.

And defensive rebounding is still a major issue with this team. That’s the major reason why you can’t just name Collins the starter. Yes, he can defend big centers, but he’s a horrible rebounder. Unless a situation occurs in which Collins simply takes up space, so that Horford and Smith can come on and secure the board, he can’t be depended on to start every game.

And as long as this team doesn’t box out and play physical at ALL TIMES, these issues are going to persist. And while Drew can try to coach this, if it’s not in the nature of the player to box out and play physical, they won’t consistently do it.

lewis

November 23rd, 2010
12:38 pm

Dear Hawks fan –

It’s a fair desire, but I have to ask how you propose that be done? Who on this roster (other than the productive and reasonably priced Al Horford and Josh Smith) would any other NBA team want for themselves?

* The one-dimensional starting point guard owed another $6.4 million next season?
* The injured and aging starting shooting guard in possession of a brand-new $123 million contract?
* The injured and disappointing starting small forward owed almost $25 million over the next three seasons?

If you don’t move one of those three to improve the team at the point or on the wing, the team is unlikely to get better.

So that leaves you with trying to improve the team by bartering Jamal Crawford* or Jeff Teague** or Mo Evans. Given the Hawks’ record with second-round picks, I don’t see moving any of those leading to significant improvement.

*There’s still time to deal him. Some team might suffer an injury and the backcourt and be interested in bringing him on for the stretch run.

**Sacramento might have interest in him but the Hawks have constructed their roster in such a way that trading Teague (who’s two coaches deep in disillusionment) for frontcourt depth could actually make the team worse at the point.

Who’s to blame? Rick Sund gets his share of blame and he deserves* some of that. But it’s a fair question how much power he has. He didn’t choose the head coach. It’s unclear how much of the effort to re-sign Joe Johnson was instigated by Sund and how much was Sund carrying out the wishes of his bosses. He’s shown no (useful) imagination in filling out the bench but, again, how much of that is his work and how much is it due to the ownership’s fondness for familiar names. If Sund is prone to having his decisions overruled and if he knows, as he must, that ASG won’t fire him and pay two general managers for even part of a season what’s his motivation to do more than cash the checks until his contract runs out and let ownership’s next fourth- or fifth-choice general manager candidate attempt to clean up their mess. It’s not admirable behavior, but it’s understandable.

*Losing Josh Childress for nothing should be a horrible embarrassment.

The key problems for this team are organizational and they begin with ownership. Until ownership changes*, this team will have fundamental limitations. Limitations that Rick Sund can’t transcend, that Larry Drew can’t transcend, that Al Horford can’t transcend. This a 45-win team with no cap flexibility until the Summer of 2014. They don’t have a stockpile of draft picks or a history of scouting success to mitigate that lack of flexibility. Ownership has quite willingly saddled themselves to stagnation on the court, cut corners off the court, and the financial result for them will be, at best, stagnation.

*Either the makeup of ownership or their behavior.

Hoopinionblog.com

BISHOP EDDIE STRONG

November 23rd, 2010
12:47 pm

THE HAWKS NEED A “DADDY” FIGURE IN THE LOCKER ROOM..VROOM VROOM VROOM

darrell starks

November 23rd, 2010
12:48 pm

HAWKS PROBLEM
1.Horford is not a center
2.Bibby can not play defense
3.Marvin shouldn’t be in the nba
4.Josh need 2 play under control
5.Joe is not a leader and shouldn’t be depend upon
6.Jamal is not jamal
7.Teague should starte he is a better defender than bibby
8.Collins should starte he is bigger and a better defender than horford
9.No defense
10.Defense wins championship that’s the hawks bread and butter they must defend.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Glotz

November 23rd, 2010
12:53 pm

I know the Hawks really stunk it up out there last night, but did anyone consider that they ran into a really REALLY pissed off Celtics Team? I’m just sayin…

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
12:56 pm

@ Grandad . . . the only reason why I called Sund “your boy”, is because you and some of the others didn’t severely criticize what that guy was doing ( or not doing ). It’s nothing personal . . . just a figure of speech.

Sund and the ASG are the real villians in all of this:

- didn’t hire Avery Johnson
- sold the extra draft pick for money
- traded Chill and only got back a trade exception
- signed Collins
- signed Powell
- signed Etan
- bought out Pape Sy’s French contract

And some people feel that overpaying for JJ may have been his biggest mistake.

As for Joe Johnson . . did that post look like I was defending him? That guy needs to play better . . . much better. The motion offense is tailor-made for him, because he gets wide open shots out of the offense at times.

But if the dude is trying to play games with an Ultimate Fighter type glove on, I have to assume that one of the reasons why JJ is playing horribly and sometimes tenatively, is because of the hand.

So if the hand is hurt, shut him down.

If the hand OK enough for him to keep going, then JJ needs to play much more aggressively.

But you just want to up and trade a 4-time All Star in which we’d be dead in the water if we can’t get another star in return.

I am not an emotional Hawks fan. I try my best to be as real and as rational as possible about this team. The Hawks lack

- an adequate bench
- rebounding ( especially defensive )
- perimeter defense ( especially at PG )
- a consistent low post scorer
- consistent offensive play from JJ and Jamal
- physical toughness from the frontline
- production from the SF position

Did I miss anything?

cp

November 23rd, 2010
12:58 pm

LD has to trot a different lineup out there tonight. He cant preach about accountability and send the same uninspired group out there. I see a lot of Woodson in him. Both seem to stick to the script no matter the outcome. Jamal gets his minutes although he isnt producing. Marvin still starts although he does nothing. ZaZa comes in before Collins although Collins is a better defender and doesn’t fumble every pass thrown to him………..I just dont understand how you bring the same guys back although they quit in the playoffs last year.. They gave up and instead of holding them accountable you bring them back as if it didn’t happen…… Woodrow had to go because these same characters quit on him. I remember watching that last game against the Magic in the playoffs and seeing how the guys werent even paying attention to him. It was during a timeout and guys were looking at the monitor on the scorers table and tuning him out. They weren’t even hiding the fact that they weren’t listening to him. That should have been a sign that some moves had to be made………Guys have been together way to long to still be talking about energy and getting hit in the mouth and not having an answer… LD is in a tough situation but he has to put his foot down if not then all that he says is just for show.

MsDee

November 23rd, 2010
1:01 pm

Have u guys noticed that we haven’t played an ‘elite/playoff’ team on the road yet other than Orlando, which we ONLY lost by 4 pts?? Let’s not write off the hawks just yet! Like I said in my 8:34am post, all we have done really is turned the location of wins around where we are winning on the road now instead of at home..we can still be a 55+ win team. I think LD will work on his line-up as the season continues to have the CORRECT line-up on the floor at the right time. Teague and JC2 should definitely get more run together cause the chemistry is surely there, while Bibby and JC1 is better suited together. Also, Mo Evans SHOULD DEFINITELY be starting instead of Marvin..not sure what the holdup on that one, LD??? So, if we could make those simple changes right now, we could really see what we are working with and to get rid of those that just will NEVER BELONG..hint,hint MARVIN/JAMEL!!

Rev in Tampa

November 23rd, 2010
1:04 pm

Even if Sund is going to do nothing else to improve this team by trade or signing Free Agents, he had better start inviting himself to the practices and locker room. He needs to find out what is going on with the team.

Drew’s comments about what the Hawks are doing on their off-nights was interesting. What is he going to do to enforce a curfew?

lewis

November 23rd, 2010
1:11 pm

mo and marvin’s knee combined couldn’t hold a starting slot

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
1:13 pm

JJ and Dunta Robinson are robbing the City of Atlanta.

MsDee

November 23rd, 2010
1:17 pm

Hey, after seeing how well we played at home but terrible on the road with Woodson and how we have played great on the road but sucked so far at home with LD…MAYBE, JUST MAYBE LD SHOULD HIRE THE GUY THAT HIRED HIM TO BE AN ASSISTANT COACH so we can even this win thang out..what do u guys think???

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
1:22 pm

LMAO @ Ms.Dee. Now that was funny!

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
1:25 pm

MsDee . . . So how many road games are we going to win?

We’ve already lost 5 home games, which means that we can only win 36 home games max.

We’re also a team that hasn’t won more than 19 road games in a season since 1998 ( when we won 21 road games ).

So what are we going to do? Win 25 road games?

A 55+ win team looks like how we played in November of last year. This year, the Hawks look more like the 45 – 37 team of 2 years ago.

To win 55 games, the Hawk have to go 47 – 21 the rest of the way. I mean dang. All of those teams that came into Philips and beat us, we still have to go to them.

Let me take those rose-colored glasses off of you, and give you some 3-D glasses, so that you can really see all sides of the Hawks.

The best thing we got going for us right now, is that maybe 48 wins can still land us a top 4 seed.

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
1:26 pm

I’d take Woody over Tyronne Hill and Lester “wheres the defense” Conner all day long. Get him in here LD. lol!

doc

November 23rd, 2010
1:30 pm

rev welcome to the dark side.;-)

the hill looks more like a mountain today doesnt it?

doc

November 23rd, 2010
1:31 pm

northcyde it is the culture that is the problem. yes it is the askg formerly known as basg formerly known as asg.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
1:34 pm

I know it’s early, but so far, it looks like LD and Rick are in denial with this core.

This off-season, one guy i would have liked to see interviewed is Thibodeau. Would he have worked? Would he have wanted the job? I dont know. But he is a defensive minded coach, and he worked under Doc Rivers.

northcyde,

Co-sign. Although he talks a good game, LD can do more than he is doing.

AJ,

Who do you think LD should bench for the game tonight? I think he should start 5 bench players.

But if I had to put money on it, I think he stays with the same lineup.

MsDee

November 23rd, 2010
1:36 pm

@northcyde,

Ok, I’ll bite and take that 48 win but remember how u praised Boston on last season with their great road record but not-so-good home record while ONLY FINISHING WITH A RECORD OF 50 TOTAL WINS??? Look where it got them, an opportunity to NOT have home court advantage, which was their strength, by-da-way, and obviously worked in their advantage by going ALL THE WAY TO THE END WITH A GAME 7 LOST! So, ok..I like our odds with a 48 win season with a better road record cause I would rather have a great road record than a great home record cause what good would it be if you dont have the best record in the NBA going into the playoffs?!?!

MsDee

November 23rd, 2010
1:39 pm

So northcyde, could you please hand me back my rose-colored glasses?? Thx!!

doc

November 23rd, 2010
1:48 pm

northcyde you forgot m daniels on your list of players the celts hired over the off season.

good points all including those regarding collins who is a very one dimensional player at best.
that may be giving him more cred than he deserves.

terrell at lest dunta r knocked himself out for his team. i havent seen that yet from jj.

my 42 to 48 looks very safe. this is not an elite team anymore by the 50 win definition is it? 42 and 26 down the stretch?

doesnt look like a top four team (sund’s stated goal) unless it is by default. dont look now but the bulls are gaining on us, where the bucks?

ILL-Logical

November 23rd, 2010
2:00 pm

Last night’s display may cost some jobs.Beware December 15th.

BOB

November 23rd, 2010
2:02 pm

Enter your comments here

Walter R. Terrell

November 23rd, 2010
2:09 pm

I am ole time Hawks fan. When we had nothing and fought to the end. I remember scrappy, tenacious, never say die Atlanta Hawks. Can’t blame the coach on this. Desire is something you either have or not another name for it is “Heart”. This version of the Hawks are truly athletic and talented but that’s not enough to win in crunch time in the NBA. Last eve against Boston a team I truly believe we own,they showed us a glimpse of their heart. Basic, fundamental understanding of the game is not a part of these players core. These Hawks can win on talent and atheleticism alone and continue to fizz out early in the playoffs but if you do not understand the game then losing is the final outcome. Like my daddy use to say…”Give an honest days work for an honest days dollar”, that way you can sleep with respect.

i_am_soulstar

November 23rd, 2010
2:09 pm

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
2:12 pm

MsDee . . . I’ll make a deal with you.

I’ll hand you back the rose-colored glasses, if the Hawks can win 6 road games next month. By the way, these are our road games:

@ Miami
@ Orlando
@ San Antonio
@ Detroit
@ Boston
@ New Jersey
@ New Orleans
@ Milwaukee
@ Oklahoma City

If the Hawks can posr a 6 – 3 record vs these teams on the road, you can have those glasses back.

I do agree though, that if the Hawks can win 23 – 27 road games, it’ll actually show that they might be better prepared for the playoffs. But we have to do like Boston, and beat some top notch teams on the road

Until then, just give the High Definition 3-D glasses a try. They’re stylish, they look good on you, and they will help you see better.

Astro Joe

November 23rd, 2010
2:13 pm

doc, I think the Bulls are slightly ahaed of us (with Boozer returning in a few weeks).

OB, I would probably go with the usually starting line-up but if I had to call a TO to stop an early run by the Nets, I would immediately put 5 bench players in the game. So if the Nets jumped out to a 14-3 lead, I would bench the starters for the remiander of the quarter (if not the half).

Grandad

November 23rd, 2010
2:16 pm

northcyde

Realizing it was a figure of speech;
nonetheless I have not defended Sund.
Perhaps, -over- a year ago, when he signed Josh & Bibby.
However, within the last year I have vehemently criticized sund.
Maybe on different points than yourself, but I’ve taken him to task
all the same.

On Joe [or Jamal] or anyone on the roster, I would not trade,
-Unless- we get talent for talent!!! And I’ve said that a # of times
as well. In Joe’s case I was all for re-signing him because we lost
our opportunity to cash in @ last years trade deadline. *[Noah]
Now it will be hard to get value on the dollar.
I will have a trade prop. momentarily.

My biggest venue when it comes to the Hawks;
is Team, and team trumps talent. *(see Miami)
However, a Team with Talent = Celtic [and/or] Lakers.
The Hawks have talent, but somethin’ ain’t right.
There is a rotten apple.
I don’t know, but suspect it’s Joe?
Years of observation.

I’ve changed my tune on Bibby.
That guy is playin’ all out. “Balls to the Wall”
He has bought in [to and for] LD.
Sure he’s not the player he once was, but the Celts are loaded
with those type guys.

One way to unload Joe: [G-dad's Trade O' the Day]
Ok City gets:
Joe Johnson & Jeff Teague
Hawks get:
Jeff Green, Eric Maynor, Nick Collison, & Byron Mullens

Then we trade;
Houston gets:
Marvin Williams
Hawks get:
Shane Battier

Collison & Battier both exp contracts.
However both experienced team leaders who play defense.

That oughta’ do it!

Astro Joe

November 23rd, 2010
2:17 pm

Sorry, I don’t care what color your glasses are, you can’t compare a recent champion’s path to the Finals with what the Hawks are trying to do. The Celtics didn’t learn last season that they could have a “decent” regular season and still get to the ECF, they knew that based on their championship run from 3 years ago. They didn’t know based on a good regular season road record that they could win road playoff games, they knew that based on their playoff experience of winning road playoff games. They have the mindset, heart and experience of a champion… we ain’t got that.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
2:18 pm

THIS TEAM HAS HAD THE EXACT SAME STARTING LINEUP FOR 4 FREAKING YEARS.

THAT IS NOT A TYPO.

MARVIN HAS “EARNED” HIS STARTING SPOT 4 YEARS IN A ROW.

THE BUCK STOPS HERE.

START MO EVANS OR JORDAN CRAWFORD TONIGHT – WHILE THEY AREN’T THAT GREAT, THEY WILL PUT EFFORT INTO THE GAME.

IF NOT, START COLLINS AGAIN. DUDE IS FREAKING HUMONGOUS. HE IS THE BIGGEST PLAYER WE’VE HAD ON THIS TEAM SINCE JASON COLLIER (R.I.P.). LET THE GUY PLAY. HE HAS FLAWS BUT HE IS A BIG BODY AND ACTUALLY TIED TO GET BETTER THIS OFFSEASON (BESIDES HORF AND SMOOVE, WHO ELSE ON THIS TEAM IMPROVED THIS OFFSEASON? SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE GOT *WORSE*).

SO START MO EVANS/JOCRAW OR COLLINS AND JUST SUSPEND MARVIN FOR THE REST OF HIS CONTRACT. HE DOES NOT DO ONE THING WELL FOR THIS TEAM. THE NEW OFFENSE IS SUPPOSED TO HELP HIM, NOT MAKE HIM WORSE. SAME FOR JOE AND JAMAL. STEP YOUR GODDAMN GAMES UP ALREADY

Fundamentals

November 23rd, 2010
2:21 pm

Props to LD for having the guts to call it like it was, an embarassment. I think it’s 100% on the players. They quit on Woodson, they quit on LD, they quit on Atlanta. Maybe we should make our own Nike commercial about quitters.

Who needs to bash Lebron when we have the Hawks to define QUITTING!

I’m disgusted as I’ve ever been. Been watching since ‘83. Sad day Hawks fans! Sad, sad day…

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
2:22 pm

@ doc . . . I believe Marquis Daniels was already on the team, but he was hurt all year. But because of that, you’re right. He’s another guy that is part of the rotation this year, that wasn’t with Boston last year.

Plus they may get Perkins back at the end of the year.

The Celtics refused to stay put. They got rid of people like Tony Allen, Eddie House, and Brian Scalabrine, and got even stronger.

LOL . . we get rid of Mario West . . and might could actually use him right now. That’s sad.

Fundamentals

November 23rd, 2010
2:23 pm

Did I mention these quitters make more in a minute than almost all of us make in a month? Sad, sad day!

Fundamentals

November 23rd, 2010
2:25 pm

The Celtics get stronger b/c of their mentality and effort. Their resolve is amazing. Even Shaq is afraid to pull his regular antics. The Celtics seem focussed, motivated and on their way to LA this summer for a showdown.

Hawks, Orlando, Heat, ect have a lot to learn from Garnett, Pierce and Allen.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
2:25 pm

CELTIC BENCH WOULD BEAT OUR STARTING LINEUP

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
2:26 pm

FUNDAMENTALS I’M WITH U BRO

Fundamentals

November 23rd, 2010
2:28 pm

Where do we go JeJe – it’s time for your real plan from last summer. Gave you alot of crap about it, but let the new ideas flow. These cats have lost my respect. It’ll take alot for any fan to come back in Atlanta.

Good job Hawks, you cut your own throat.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
2:29 pm

I FEEL LIKE MARVIN INTENTIONALLY PLAYS BAD SO HE CAN GO RELAX ON THE BENCH WITH THAT STUPID TOWEL-AROUND-HIS-HEAD THING HE ALWAYS DOES

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
2:33 pm

“I heard on the radio this morning that some of the players are hosting parties with incoming teams. If this is true, the guys responsible need to get their priorities straight. Basketball first (it is their occupation) and party in the offseason.
I’m pretty fed up with this team. The listless play at home is inexcusable. ”

FROM HAWKSQUAWK. WHO ON THIS TEAM PARTIES A LOT?

JOSH?
SEEMS LIKE JOSH HAS A FAMILY TO LOOK AFTER, SO IDK WHO ELSE. I DOUBT HORFORD PARTIES TOO MUCH. I THOUGHT THESE GUYS WERE ALL QUIET AND DIDN’T TALK A LOT. JUST STAY AT YOUR DAMN HOMES AND PREPARE FOR GAMES. JESUS

Grandad

November 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm

The Celts understand what it means to be professional.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
2:34 pm

AL SAID THERE’S NO ACCOUTNABILITY. IS THAT A CALL OUT OF THE COACHING STAFF OR WHAT?

Fundamentals

November 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm

Even Nique knew how to party it up and perform the next night.

Maybe Joe hosted the parties to encourage all the new free agents to give us a look? Maybe Magic City gave him a discount if he had X number of friends show up at the door?

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
2:36 pm

THIS TEAM HAS NO SHOT OF GETTING BETTER IF OWNERSHIP WILL NOT TAKE ON LONG-TERM CONTRACTS. THIS CBA BULL!@#$ WILL ONLY MAKE THE MATTER WORSE. WE ARE SCREWED WE WILL BE STUCK WITH WORTHLESS DRAFT PICKS ON THE ROSTER NEXT YEAR. GOOD JOB ASG AND SUND. CAN WE GET NEW OWNERS PLZ? AND WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG FOR THE HORNETS SALE TO GO THROUGH

Fundamentals

November 23rd, 2010
2:37 pm

Maybe LD can’t hold them accountable? What coach could? If Al really is calling out LD, he needs to know there’s 4 more fingers pointing back at himself and the big C on his uniform.

I support LD. He’s said nothing but the right things from day one. Maybe his head will roll b/c of this, but to me it’s on the players to unite and listen. Not to try to do it their way.

Fundamentals

November 23rd, 2010
2:40 pm

Even with a bad GM, bad owners, coaches and staff it’s still on the players to come out ever night. We haven’t done that since Orlando.

If its all on the coaching & administration the players should be giving 100% to show the glaring weaknesses. That way it’s obvious why we can’t win. Thus a need for change.

With this crap it’s too hard to judge where the problem lies b/c everyone is afraid to show their hand in an effort to mask their issues.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
2:42 pm

A GUY ON HAWKSQUAWK SAID THESE PLAYERS HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO TRY SINCE THEIR CONTRACTS ARE GTD LOL./

I’D LIKE TO SEE LD MORE EMOTIONAL/ACTIVE DURING THE GAME

Fundamentals

November 23rd, 2010
2:43 pm

I’d like to see him sit everyone who isn’t giving 100%. Even if it means leaving Jordan out there by himself. 1 on 5.

lp

November 23rd, 2010
2:46 pm

I agree with what i saw on peachtree hoops, the problem may be josh smith. He is the only player who doesn’t want to play a role. He wants to be the pg, sg, sf, pf, and c. He wants the stats. When its going good, its great but the bad turnovers, free-styling and trying to take over the team will make this team blow up. Its like bibby saying im A.I. and i’m going to put up 30. its cool to step your game up, but the difference with our team and good teams is that players improve their game with what the team needs, we have a team where everyone wants to be the scoring or statistical star.

Voyce

November 23rd, 2010
2:47 pm

I always rooted for the Hawks but once they decided to keep Joe Johnson after he threw his fit after they lost earlier this year in the playoffs,I knew I couldn’t deal with them anymore.In my opinion he is not the caliber of player that should have the highest salary in The NBA.Dude disappears and he does not have the swag to encourage his teammates to do better,in other words HE IS NO LEADER!

doc

November 23rd, 2010
2:54 pm

yeah even if m daniels was injured he is one more good vet to pair with shaq. we got bad vets who wouldnt know how to play with him around them. might even say he was the cause of the problem. glad shaq didnt come here to get that rap as that would be all the scam now how shaq broke up alllll the goooood chemistry we have. we got chemistry all right.

doc

November 23rd, 2010
2:55 pm

jeje you want to fire moi?

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
2:59 pm

I do think that Drew needs to seriously think about playing Joe Johnson more at SF . . . and not just with Bibby and Crawford on the floor. If anything, it may get JJ more active near the rim and as another rebounder.

And I do agree with going out and picking up Stackhouse. Just add any kind of quality depth to this squad, and shuffle the lineup around.

If we do that move, maybe the next move is to give Marvin limited minutes at SF, and play him the bulk of his minutes at PF. Better Marvin at backup PF than Powell . . I guess.

Scoop

November 23rd, 2010
3:06 pm

We need a change. I think a spark to this team would be to start Mo Evans at shooting guard and move Joe to the three.
First, Marvin seems lost in his role. There simply isnt enough touches to go around for him and he is much more then a spot up shooter offensively. I also feel like the lack of touches offensively is affecting his defense as well. He is not aggressive defending or rebounding, but that can be said about our whole team. Defense is more about the mindset then the scheme. If Marvin is moved to the bench he can be the focal point of the offense for the 2nd unit and provide a go-to man that it seems to be lacking when executing the offense.
Secondly, you can rely on Mo to play aggressive defense and bring energy. Plus, he can knock down open three’s, which we need to space the floor as team have keyed in the paint against us. Mo will also chase guards around screens and allow Joe more energy for offense.
Thirdly, we need a spark and I feel like Mixing up the starting lineup will do this and allow us t take advantage of all of Marvin’s ability which continues to be under-utilized.

Mike is back

November 23rd, 2010
3:23 pm

lp, of course you pick Josh…he is an easy target…However, it ain’t Josh. It ain’t but one guy…that routinely shows up for big games…looking like he just left the morgue.

I bet the guys be all excited and ready to play…look up and see him coming…everybody turn and say shhhhhhhhh…here come grave yard asssssssss…dang…it’s gon be a looooooooooooooong day. lol

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
3:24 pm

I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY JAMAL IS SO WORRIED ABOUT THIS CONTRACT. HE EVEN STATED HE’LL BE A TOP FREE AGENT. THE GUY HAS BEEN IN THE LEAGUE 10 YEARS AND IS MAKING 10M A YEAR- THAT’S A TON OF MONEY. HE SHOULD KNOW HE’LL GET GOOD MONEY NEXT YEAR IN THIS LEAGUE

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
3:25 pm

IF U ARE ALL WORRIED ABOUT THE BENCH, BRING DUCK AND JAMAL OFF THE BENCH TOGETHER. DEFENSIVELY IT WON’T BE AWFUL AND THEY CAN SCORE A BIT ON WEAKER COMPETITION (MAYBE DUCK CAN- I DOUBT IT)

lewis

November 23rd, 2010
3:34 pm

It doesn’t take too much intelligence to see that Jordan Crawford is a better/more creative passer than bibby and teague, has the ability to drive and dish, ability to take it to the lane and finish better as well. Not to mention his sweet stroke and unlimited range. He’s a willing defender with a better nba body than bibby too.

Taking the blue collar – play who can ball – approach, if I were LD tonight:

Starters: Jordan/Mo/Joe/Josh/Al

Bench: Bibby, Jamal, Marvin, Powell, Collins

Teague just doesn’t really deserve any minutes of any kind. May as well let JoCrawford defer to whoever because he moves better without the ball than teague and can actually hit a shot.

cp

November 23rd, 2010
3:36 pm

@Fundamentals I have been talking about the guys quitting for the past few days. They clearly quit on Woodson and they have quit on LD twice already this season. Quitting last year should have been enough for the front office to realize moves had to be made. I dont care how much you might dislike a coach or not get along with him, you dont quit. Essentially its quitting on your teammates and the fans who support the team. The problem is I dont think enough dudes on this team even care. They have come out with no energy in multiple games already this season and there is no excuse for it. Most of the teams are coming off back to backs while the Hawks have been resting. I wouldn’t be shocked if some of the guys were partying to much… Sund needs to get on the phones but knowing his history nothing will be done and we will be discussing this all year.

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
3:36 pm

I don’t think the partying issue is that big of a deal because every team and every star in the NBA ( unless he just don’t like the party scene ), does the party scene every once in a while.

And honestly, the energy from the starters hasn’t been the issue most of this season. The problem has been the bench giving up leads and/or putting us in a deeper hole.

LOL . . having said that . . if you want to know where some of the Hawks may be after the Wizards game, this is where they may be.

http://www.atlnightspots.com/2010/keri-hilson-the-atlanta-hawks-host-the-gold-room-thursday-november-25th

Honestly . . I’d want to be where Keri’s fine self is too.

LOL @ Jamal . . . you’re on the flier dog . . . so don’t be thinking about Miss Keri Baby while you’re taking all of those quick shots.

And Teague will automatically have a bad game. It take an average of 24 months to become numb to all of the eye candy in ATL

(( NOTE: Just because these two are on the flier, doesn’t mean that they’ll be there . . although they, and the rest of the Hawks, are definitely probably invited. ))

cp

November 23rd, 2010
3:38 pm

JeJe I dont even know if Marvin could take advantage of coming off the bench and playing lesser talent. He would probably just defer to Jamal and blow easy shots at the rim.

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
3:41 pm

northcyde, doc

Coming off an NBA champhionship, it would have been easy and understandable for the Lakers to stay status quo.

But after winning their title a couple seasons ago, they let Ariza go, and signed Ron Artest. And after winning their second title in a row, they let Jordan Farmar go, and signed Steve Blake. Kobe was even recruiting Raja Bell before he signed elsewhere.

And although they already have Ron Artest, they went out and signed Matt Barnes. But hey, Rick and LD are satisfied with Marvin and Mo Evans as our SF (with JJ picking up minutes too).

I know the Hawks dont have the resources, but there were still moves they could have made.

And by the way, Stackhouse plays for Miami. They signed him after losing Mike Miller.

lewis

November 23rd, 2010
3:47 pm

pierce switched to sf around 30 too

joe’s about to make the switch too

we’re too strong at pg to bench jordan and jamal for Joe’s unprodutive a$$ to be our volume shooter

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
3:48 pm

Boston can handle the “night before” partying, even going to a visiting city. Why can’t the Hawks?

And this is the Sunday night spot in ATL

http://www.atlnightspots.com/2010/marquis-danielsnate-robinsonshaqrajon-rondoglen-davis-velvet-room-sunday-nov-21st

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
3:51 pm

“And honestly, the energy from the starters hasn’t been the issue most of this season. The problem has been the bench giving up leads and/or putting us in a deeper hole.”

YeaH WELL THEN HOW DID WE COME OUT SO FLAT VS. A TEAM COMING OFF A LOSS THE PREVIOUS NIGHT ALL THE WAY IN TORONTO?

I KNOW U SAID MOST, BUT THAT WAS JUST EMBARRASSING. NATE ROBINSON SONNING JOE JOHNSON AND BIBBY LOL

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
3:52 pm

NORTHCYDE WHERE U FIND THIS ISH?

LOL SO THIS TEAM LOST IN TORONTO, FLEW ALL THE WAY OVER HERE, PARTIED, THEN DESTROYED US

WOW

doc

November 23rd, 2010
3:55 pm

@nc, boys will be boys. do it while you can.

@ o’b, great points about shaking things up of course with quality. thye are over the tax line we cant move a toe beyond.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
3:56 pm

O BRIEN, STACK IS BEING CUT

doc

November 23rd, 2010
3:58 pm

nc ….odd, i heard they took a bus ride back to boston from toronto somewhere.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
3:58 pm

HEAT HAVE 5 CENTERS AND ARE THIN AT WING

WOW. AND THEIR CENTERS SUCK TOO.

lp

November 23rd, 2010
4:12 pm

Mike is back, but is that not the truth doesn’t josh blow off the pg to try to make a play. I’m not new to the hawks this has been my teams for a while$ nique has been saying for years right there is where you want to give the ball to your pg. You can blame joe for missing shots but he is still playing his role, he opens the floor for other players due to the attention he attracts. So u think we should blow the team up and build around josh, that’s laughable. He’s like an athletic al harrington. What is his advantage other than athleticism? His jumpshot is improved but with that you have a player who tries to do to much.

Samuel

November 23rd, 2010
4:12 pm

Doc,
You are absolutely right. Me, being a Shaq guy, at first I was wanting him to come here so I could see him end his career, but the more I thought about it, i’m definately glad he didn’t. Losers on this blog were saying he was a cancer and shouldn’t start without even giving him a chance. Show’s how much basketball they know.

All you people screeming for LD to sit his all 5 starters, forget about it. These are your best players (save Marvin) so if you do that, it’s like giving up. Let them stay out there and keep getting embarrassed and maybe that will spark something. Again, this is the NBA not high school. Owners are paying these guys millions, you actually think they will allow all that money to sit. Make a change yes but not the entire starting 5.
Starters:
PG-Bibby (although I wouldn’t be opposed to starting Teague just to see what he can do in the starting line up).
SG-Jor Crawford (dude is working hard and can score) he’s earned a try
SF-JJ (his best position) put’s him closer to the basket and forces him to be more agressive.
PF-Josh (sit this guy and you might as well trade him right away, he’s not emotionally mature enough to handle it and he plays hard at least).
C-Al (he’s not a center but he’s the best we got)

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
4:13 pm

SIGN JERRY STACKHOUSE. GET RID OF THIS PAPE SY CLOWN WHO WILL NEVER DO JACK FOR THIS TEAM. GET RID OF ETAN

GET RID OF SOMEONE

O'Brien

November 23rd, 2010
4:37 pm

Samuel,

I am not starting shaq on my team except for when we play Orlando, Boston etc. But I would have paid him well for 24 MPG consistently.

MY PT would be 24 minutes at center for shaq, and the other 24 minutes for Al. At PF, 36 minutes for Josh, and 12 minutes for al.

That would allow us to trade zaza and cut powell’s minutes. Plus we could still use the lineup of shaq, Al and josh when we want to go big.

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
4:39 pm

Fundamentals, it took Garnett, Pierce, and Allen YEARS before they reached the top. PLEASE! Garnett couldnt do it in Minnesota, and Ray Ray couldnt do it in Milwaukee or Seattle. And we all know Boston sucked before they all got together. All we can learn from them is chances are your’re going to have a pretty good team with 3 HOF caliber players on it.

northcyde

November 23rd, 2010
4:39 pm

LOL @ Jeje . . As an outsider to ATL, but a longtime traveler to that city, it is MANDATORY that out of towners who like to party, know where all of the hot parties will be.

From a party standpoint, Atlanta is pretty much Hollywood East. And with the epicenter of hip-hop and urban music shifting from New York to Atlanta, there are weekend parties all over the place.

There are a lot of websites and promoter web sites that list where the parties are. If people really wanted to track the Hawks down from a party standpoint, it wouldn’t be hard at all.

JeJe

November 23rd, 2010
4:54 pm

WHY IS JAMAL SO WORRIED ABOUT HIS CONTRACT.

DUDE IS ALREADY MAKING BANK AND WILL BE A TOP FA.

CMON FAM

Ray

November 23rd, 2010
5:28 pm

So judging from recent posts we can sum up the hawks troubles.

1. Marvin is not a good SF he’s actually below average which means he’d be a 3rd string at best on a team like the 8 playoffs teams in both the east and west.

2. There is a rotten apple it could be Joe, Jamal, or Marvin.

3. LD needs to stick to his word holding players accountable and cutting their PT.

4, Joe needs to act like he wants that $120 million dollar contract so far he’s playing like he wants to go D-leaguing(don’t even think that’s a word lol).

5. Horford and Josh need more touches and plays run for them.

6. Teague and JC2 need more minutes then what they’ve gotten.

7. As of now we need to drop off both Marvin and JC1 plus Etan Thomas.

rusty

November 23rd, 2010
5:30 pm

i guess your really hip nortcyde

Master if the Obvious

November 23rd, 2010
5:41 pm

Guys chill out. Everything will be fine as soon as Pape Sy gets back on the court.

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ILL-Logical

November 23rd, 2010
6:41 pm

Tonight the onus wwill be on the team to perform or else.

TheAntiMe

November 23rd, 2010
6:45 pm

Good teams take it personally when someone beats them. Especially on their home court. No one on this Hawks team, with the possible exception of Horford, really seems to care. The players freely ramble off the list of things that they did not do right after they lose but I definitely don’t get the impression that any of them lose any sleep over it.

At least last season the players waited until the season was half over before they quit on Woody. This season, only three weeks in, they seem to have already quit on Woody light.

ILL-Logical

November 23rd, 2010
6:50 pm

Tonight is a critical test for the team and the fans. I hope it turns out well for both.

Sautee

November 23rd, 2010
7:11 pm

You can’t “quit” on a coach if you never showed up to begin with.

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
7:12 pm

Same startin 5. lol!

terrell

November 23rd, 2010
7:19 pm

Here we go again. Greatv D there Bibby.

Ray

November 23rd, 2010
7:44 pm

Yeah it’s the same starting 5 I’m already upset right now, and on defense they don’t seem to care it’s like they like being posterized lol.

Yeah Marvin is extremely invisible tonight, and here we go again with JC1 my god get both of them out of here as soon as Dec 15th comes around.