Dallas Mavericks at Atlanta Hawks: What would a W mean?
The Hawks are looking for their first W against a so-called marquee opponent.
But what would it really mean if they beat the Mavs, Celtics, or both? Is it about the team gaining confidence? Sending a message? Getting some media love?
Is it about proving they can do it, even though it’s only November?
“We swept Boston and they still went to Eastern Conference finals,” Mo noted. “You have got to be peaking at the right time and continue to get better.”
L.D. seemed to be simultaneously downplaying Atlanta’s failure to beat the best teams on its schedule and emphasizing that fact to his players.
“I don’t know how much the guys have thought about who the wins are against,” he said. “It’s early in the season. We have to respect every opponent. You don’t look at their wins and losses. ”
But before practice broke yesterday he told the team they needed to “beat some of these [better] teams.”
“I did put that bug in their ear,” he said.
The way things are going for the Mavs, maybe they need to win this one to prove something.
The Bulls beat them in Dallas last night by pounding them on the boards and shutting down everyone outside of Dirk. The Mavs have do have a victory against Boston and split with Denver and New Orleans.
Amazingly, this is the first set of back-to-back games for the Mavs.
“It’s one of the realities of the league,” coach Rick Carlisle said. “The good thing is we didn’t have anyone play ridiculous minutes last night.”
A Dallas reporter asked Carlisle about his team’s struggles against “young and athletic” opponents.
“It’s important for us to play our game,” he said. “We have to play to our length and experience.”
The Hawks want to make Dallas defend the entire floor but L.D. said it’s not like the Mavs can’t run. He said they play at a “youth’s pace” despite a starting lineup that averages 10 years of experience.
“They are a team that we know they are going to be well-prepared and even playing a back-to-back are going to give us their best game,” Drew said. “We can’t allow them beat us on glass, we can’t allow beat us up and down the floor. We’ve go to do a good job containing the dribble on the perimeter. We can’t get seduced into playing a style that doesn’t fit us.”
Notable quotes
L.D. on the team’s effective jump shooting so far: “I won’t count on it every night. There will be some shots where we can’t put it in the ocean. We can’t go out and rely on the perimeter shot. We have to be a good executing team. But more importantly we have to be a sound defensive team. We’ve got to be able to get stops when we need them. We’ve got to be able to be solid defensively every night we step out.”
Al on the team developing a defensive identity: “It is coming along real well. We have to keep trusting each other. We are not there yet but I am encouraged to see some improvement. We are up and down but I think we are more consistent than we were in the past.”
Carlisle on that game J. Kidd stole from the Hawks last season: “I try not to live in the past. That was a great win, but in the NBA that was light years ago. Both teams are different now.”
Smoove on playing Thanksgiving night: “It’s good, but the only negative about it is you can’t eat what you want to eat before the game. That’s what Thanksgiving is about is to get some of that good stuff. Some of that cranberry sauce, some gravy with some mashed potatoes. I think we will definitely eat good when we get home. It’s always a plus to be able to do things like this. I just hope we don’t get the Christmas games. I don’t want those at all.”
MC
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Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
7:51 pm
“But what would it really mean if they beat the Mavs, Celtics, or both? Is it about the team gaining confidence? Sending a message? Getting some media love? ”
Maybe it means more to observers than it means to the team, but I think it should mean something. At the very least, if the Hawks want to convince the fans that they have improved from last year, they are going to have to win some of these games against good teams at home.
As inadequate as Woody was, the Hawks under Woody consistently overachieved against good teams at home.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
November 20th, 2010
8:14 pm
very true Najeh – fans don’t want to see regression in the area of defending your home court. This game means a lot to the psyche of the team and the fan base – even though its early, wins against quality teams bolster confidence that wins can be achieved come playoff time. A home win tonight would be huge because already lost 3 at home win last year they only lost 7 all season.
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:14 pm
lmao what is marvin doing
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
8:17 pm
Dunno if it’s just me but It seems like Bibby’s takin it to the hole more the last 2 games.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
8:18 pm
Hawks already have 3 losses at home this season. How many did they lose the entire season last year? 8?
Winning tonight is a step towards establishing home court again. You want your arena to be a tough place to play, and the Hawks have not defended it well.
Plus it would show that they are capable of beating a good team. And lets not forget that this is the Mavs third game in 4 days, and they played last night.
Hawks need to win this game.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:18 pm
just fall over and get a whistle..?
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:20 pm
only 7 last season
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:20 pm
ok. Marvin is plain sorry.
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:21 pm
man marvin is useless i swear
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:22 pm
josh probably can shoot better than marvin and thats saying a lot
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
8:24 pm
Thanks. 7 losses at home last season, and they already have 3 so far?
Fortunately, they are winning on the road.
I now its early, but Marvin is being Marvin. Now 2-15 on 3’s from your starting SF.
And here comes Jamal for Marvin. That didnt take long to get Marvin out of the game.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
8:25 pm
Josh with a wide open…layup?
Where is the dunk Josh? We’ll gladly take the 2 point though
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:27 pm
josh doesnt dunk no more..hes trying to be “mature”
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:31 pm
omgggg release marvin
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:31 pm
Marvin looking like the definition of mediocrity as usual.
Rev in Tampa
November 20th, 2010
8:32 pm
First of all, its great to watch a Hawks game on TV. Although there is something wrong with Nigue calling a nationally televised game.
The Hawks are playing with swagger this evening. Josh is the leader on this team tonight. His attitude has infested the entire team.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:33 pm
The zone has turned the Hawks into a bunch of jump shooters, and Josh going to the bench has made their defense nonexistent.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:33 pm
Jamal’s game looks so uninspired.. its a shame.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:35 pm
When Marvin passed that to Zaza on the break, did ANYONE think it would result in points?
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:35 pm
smh zaza cant dunk
terrell
November 20th, 2010
8:35 pm
Marvin sux!!!!!
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:36 pm
hawks have been jump shooters all season though
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:36 pm
Seriously, when you are 6′11″ and it leaves people genuinely surprised when you make a layup in traffic, you have no business playing important minutes for a playoff team.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:37 pm
“hawks have been jump shooters all season though”
It’s one thing to shoot open jump shots in rhythm that result from ball movement. It’s another thing to shoot contested jump shots out of rhythm without moving the ball, which is what the Hawks started doing when the Mavs went zone — especially after Josh (the main catalyst for ball movement on this team) exited the game.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:37 pm
i wish Marvin’s decent defense and Jamal’s streaky offense could land us a complete player in trade..
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
8:38 pm
Why does ZaZa insist on bouncing the ball? Just go straight up ZaZa.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:39 pm
God dammit Teague, you are the ONLY guy on this team who has the quickness to break down their zone. DRIVE THE DAMN BALL!
Sautee
November 20th, 2010
8:39 pm
Horford is rebounding better tonight. Good to see.
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:39 pm
time to turn
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
8:39 pm
I’m trying to remember the last time Zaza dunked.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:40 pm
this lineup scares me.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:41 pm
Teague is plain sorry. doesnt have a pro game. is what it is.
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:41 pm
teague is a bust he never drives the ball….marvin just sucks with a stupid walk….jamal crawford doesnt even want to be here…
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:41 pm
again 2nd unit pg play sub par.
Damon
November 20th, 2010
8:42 pm
Wow, our bench is so horrible. There they go again, ruining what the starters have accomplished. L.D. needs to stop messing around with the bench and just play the starters when it counts. That was a good timeout that he called there. He needs to get Josh and Al back in ASAP, they were pretty much controlling the game.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:42 pm
The Hawks’ bench is awful. I don’t know what it’s going to take for Teague to say f-ck everyone, I’m going to make something happen, but he needs to find a way to get over the mental block keeping him from playing his game.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
8:42 pm
bigdave,
If we could combine Marvin and Jamal into one player, and combine Teague and Bibby into one player, and combine ZaZa and Twin into one player, Hawks would be legit contenders to get to the NBA finals
superiorblogman
November 20th, 2010
8:42 pm
Zaza and Marvin are both garbage and should be traded ASAP, they have both been around too long to be so unproductive. Jamal is not good for this current team and Larry Drew is incompetent
Ree Roe
November 20th, 2010
8:43 pm
We used to be so good at home…now were so mediocre. Why?
-REEsted Roe!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:43 pm
“If we could combine Marvin and Jamal into one player, and combine Teague and Bibby into one player, and combine ZaZa and Twin into one player, Hawks would be legit contenders to get to the NBA finals”
Combining Zaza and Twin would just make one fat tall guy who dresses nice and eats cheeseburgers.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:43 pm
those are all players that KG supposedly doesnt like according to the great Joakim Noah..
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:44 pm
wtfffff marvin cant hold the ball right
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:44 pm
Jamal shedding points.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:45 pm
I would take 12 Smooves on the Hawks any day of the week. F-ck the haters.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:47 pm
Obrien..
im ready to trade them. though the hybrids sounds nice ..
what would be even better if we could do subs like hockey.. and each time we got on defense Teague just runs on the floor .. offense Bibby.. defense Marvin.. offense Jamal..
Roy
November 20th, 2010
8:47 pm
Get Al back in the game!
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
8:47 pm
Wow. Marvin had the short PG guarding him, and he still gives up the ball. I’m glad we ended up with a bucket.
But Marvin, take advantage of the mismatch.
And then Marvin with a foul on Dirk. Come on Hawks. We need to step it up.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:48 pm
that boy is most improved..
showing his a$$
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:48 pm
josh is tired
lukas
November 20th, 2010
8:49 pm
I’m prepared to put Mo in the starting 5 and bring Marvin from the bench. This season has showed us a new glaring need besides the perennial PG and C position: SF!!
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:49 pm
If the Hawks can’t take advantage of Dirk being off, they are really going to get run out of the building once he starts hitting. It’s only a matter of time before that happens.
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:49 pm
lmaoo@joe wtf..this team been off since tuesday and looks so tired
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:49 pm
” hit the side of the glaaasss”
lol
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
8:50 pm
Where would this Hawks team be without Josh? He has been the team’s best player this season.
Najeh,
ZaZa has a nice jumper, and I think Twin is better on defense.
Ree Roe
November 20th, 2010
8:51 pm
Is it safe to say Josh is our best player now?
-REEvival of Roe!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:51 pm
Larry Drew, please get Zaza’s bum ass off the floor and get Horford back in there.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:52 pm
Ob’..
nice jumper is a bit of a reach..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:52 pm
“Is it safe to say Josh is our best player now?”
Yes. Emphatically.
lukas
November 20th, 2010
8:52 pm
All that money to JJ: suicide!!!!
Allen
November 20th, 2010
8:52 pm
I’m so tired of L.D.’s lame rotational decisions. There is no reason why Al should still be out at the 5:45 minute mark of the second quarter when the team is down by 10. There’s no foul trouble tonight. Stop being such a fool, L.D. Get your best players into the game. For crying out loud, this is beyond stupid already.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:52 pm
“bawse”..
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:53 pm
smh trade crawford asap
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:53 pm
his game Nique.. is gone.. cause he dont fit. not in structure.
and again.. shedding points..
Sautee
November 20th, 2010
8:53 pm
How is LD incompetent when his winning pct. is .666?
That would place him fifth all-time and ABOVE Red Auerbach.
Yeah, incompetent. Like anyone could tell after 12 freakin’ games.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
8:54 pm
Everybody expects Jamal to go ISO, so when he passes it, the players dont expect it.
And then he misses a layup.
If Marvin was any better, Jamal would not play so many minutes, especially since jamal is off.
And JJ is struggling again. Whats up with all his struggles this season?
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:54 pm
With every passing game, Jamal’s trade value drops. Do the Prince deal already.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
8:54 pm
what is this?
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
8:54 pm
NO REBOUNDING NO DEFENSE…
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
8:54 pm
lol. watching rebs.
2nd chance pts. death again.
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:55 pm
i dont think this team will make the playoffs sorry to say…they are losing it now frustrated…someone will get ejected
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:56 pm
have they even attempted to go back to josh?
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
8:56 pm
ITS 3AM IS IT STILL WORTH STAYING UP AND GIVING UP MY WEEKEND FOR THIS?
terrell
November 20th, 2010
8:56 pm
Lmao @ Marvin Gaye Williams
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
8:57 pm
embarrassing
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
8:57 pm
At this point I would trade Jamal for Reggie Evans — that’s how bad the Hawks are at defensive rebounding.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
8:57 pm
GOOD NIGHT….TIRED OF THIS RIGHT NOW…..SECOND CHANCE POINTS….CAN WE REBOUND
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
8:59 pm
Jamal is costing us, if you cant score please learn how to defend. His defense gets overlooked because of his scoring ability but right now he is a glaring weak link.
Allen
November 20th, 2010
9:00 pm
Al and Josh are the only reasons why the Hawks are even in this game, really. Yet, we still aren’t using them. I haven’t seen a single play run for Al. He only has 3 total shot attempts. Come on, L.D., what are you doing? Al is probably the best offensive option when Joe and Jamal can’t get it going at all, and we are not even using him. He’s barely even touching the ball on the offensive end. We need to run the offense through Al and Josh, when our perimeter game is lacking horribly like this.
Ree Roe
November 20th, 2010
9:00 pm
I’m pretty frustrated watching us play tonight. We’ve been off since Tues, but we look so FLAT. I’m embarrassed by this team (again)
-REEspect Roe!!!
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:00 pm
How can they suck so bad at home?
Rev in Tampa
November 20th, 2010
9:01 pm
Excepting Josh, the Hawks are not putting forth much effort. Inexcusible!
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:01 pm
Ironically, the Hawks haven’t had a point guard as good as Jason Terry since they traded him.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:01 pm
Reggie Evans is too much like the goon we need..
too much like right..
just look @ this guy
http://www.financialpost.com/3637636.bin?size=620×465
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:01 pm
Hawks 2-13 from behind the arc. And being outrebounded by 8.
And although Bibby has 10 points and 1 assist, the Mavs PGs have 7 points and 5 assists.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:02 pm
Still cant rebound
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:02 pm
way to box out Al..
you not going to jump higher than many, especially not Chandler, you gotta work dude.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:03 pm
Same, usual story so far — poor defense, horrible rebounding, atrocious bench play, and aside from Josh and Al a total unwillingness to share the ball.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:03 pm
Thank you Bibby
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:04 pm
The bench is shooting 1 for 11 from the field in this game.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:05 pm
In fact, the Hawks other than Bibby, Josh, and Al are shooting 4/22 with 2 rebounds.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:06 pm
And yes, that includes the $126 million dollar man.
superiorblogman
November 20th, 2010
9:06 pm
The bench is garbage
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:06 pm
I wonder if Dan Uggla can play small forward.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:07 pm
Carl for that comment you can go shoot yourself.
lukas
November 20th, 2010
9:07 pm
Man, Sund needs to shake things quickly. This team’s flaws are too much for LD or a couple of tough-minded players to overcome. They lose the games from the lockeroom, and they don’t give a damn about it. Unable to defeat playoff teams? bad bad sign!!
At this point, i would take Ramon’s proposal trade, but i would include Marvin for a couple of cheerleaders!!
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:07 pm
I wasn’t aware that “The Bibbster” and “The Difference” were actual nicknames.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:08 pm
Rev,
In 15 minutes of PT, Marvin has 2 points, 2 fouls, and 1 assist.
And by the way, he has a +/- rating of -12.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:09 pm
The Hawks have attempted 2 free throws in this entire game.
Allen
November 20th, 2010
9:09 pm
This is crazy. Al and Josh are the only ones who came to play. They, along with bibby’s 3s which they have set up for him, are the only reasons why the Hawks are even in this. Al has 10 boards already and is leading the Hawks with 4 assists, yet his teammates can’t return the favor. How does Al only have 3 field goal attempts, especially when he’s 2/3 from the field? Josh is playing great, and Al is giving the team more and more opportunities with his rebounding and defense, but we are not getting much elsewhere. The Hawks desperately need to get Al more looks on offense, and Jamal needs to be benched when he is playing like this. Go with a defensive perimeter lineup and leave the offense to Al and Josh. I wonder if L.D. just isn’t calling plays for Al or if the perimeter players just aren’t executing the plays with selfish intentions.
Blast
November 20th, 2010
9:10 pm
Larry Drew cannot afford to have his full bench in at the same time in this game. That would be a disaster. Hawks bench without some starters just are not good enough. Starters have to log big minutes, though Marvin has been stumbling and bumbling all game, Joe and Jamal can’t buy a shot or are hesitating to shoot. Hawks playing tentative. This game is not out of reach, Hawks playing badly while Dallas is shooting well, let’s see if that trend continues in the 2nd half.
Apart from one turnover or two, Josh is playing out of his mind, him and Bibby keeping Hawks in this game.
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
November 20th, 2010
9:10 pm
almost every time The Hawks play a nationally televised game – they stink it up.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:11 pm
I hate Joe Johnson I hate that b@stard…
Marvin Williams again useless in the game.. Jamal costing us the game.. Za Za was abused..
We neeeeedddd a spark Josh can’t do it by himself…
EmirS.
November 20th, 2010
9:11 pm
What really gets me, is that LD is just sitting down and watching all of this. No fire, enthusiasm, no emotion at all. I dont like that. I see Rick on the other side jumping off the bench at one little foul, with his team up by 10. And LD is just like a rock.
I was really high on LD, and I still am. But its stuff like that, in which case I really can’t have much respect for. I hope we can come back in the 3rd, and take it home in the 4th.
Jody
November 20th, 2010
9:12 pm
They’ve got to start looking for Al on offense (especially Joe).
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:12 pm
@ Carl go away… You’re not welcomed, needed, matter of fact kill yourself.. Make the world a better place..
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:14 pm
They just gonna have to pound it in the paint with Al and Josh… We need an aggressive Teague to penetrate the zone.. Damn he soft..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:14 pm
What channel is this game “nationally televised” on?
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:15 pm
NBA TV
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
November 20th, 2010
9:16 pm
AT Najeh – its on NBA TV.
Rev in Tampa
November 20th, 2010
9:17 pm
O’Brien, I was hoping you wouldn’t remember my comments from earlier. Marvin, jj, and the entire Hawks bench are embarrassing me right now.
superiorblogman
November 20th, 2010
9:18 pm
Guys you have to take your losses but when you don’t do anything about them that’s when problems arise. Simply put this team needs to stop making excuses and instead makes some real changes in the form of trades
lukas
November 20th, 2010
9:19 pm
Teague is slowly and singlehandedly getting out of LD’s favor. You can see the coach starting to get frustrated by Teague’s Marvinness, which is showing by the decrease in his playing time in the last couple of games.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:21 pm
Joe changing shoes.. going to the 12’s..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:22 pm
This is at least the 4th or 5th possession on which the Hawks ran the shot clock down to 5 or less, had it deflected, and were forced into a bad shot. Lucky for them, Joe made it. Of course, he made a long shot to start the game and then disappeared entirely…
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
9:23 pm
back in it
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:23 pm
Good start for the Hawks, but they have to keep it up if they don’t want this game to turn out like the Phoenix game. Don’t think for a minute that Dirk won’t come out firing after this timeout.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:24 pm
Ok I eat crow, good job team keep it going
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
9:24 pm
When will they go back to the switch defense? That is the question.
The other question is . . . will LD give Jordan Crawford a chance to provide a spark later on this quarter?
Rev in Tampa
November 20th, 2010
9:25 pm
Josh is hustling! Way to go Hawks. This Hawks team is Josh’s team.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:26 pm
EmirS,
Phil Jackson does not show any emotion on the sidelines either. So that doesnt bother me much.
Rev,
Its typical marvin though. he will look invisible for 3 games, and then have 1 really good game.
The challenge for the Hawks, is what happens when LD goes to the bench?
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
9:26 pm
lots of bounces goin Dallas’ way
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:27 pm
thats when id like to see Josh go to the rim.. why pull up?
Loserville USA
November 20th, 2010
9:27 pm
F R A U D
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:27 pm
Nique is even worse than usual tonight…
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:28 pm
leave him in Drew
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:28 pm
Bibby with 4 fouls. That is not good.
But if Teague was playing and had 4 fouls, fans would be all over him calling him a bust.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
9:29 pm
defense stopped and watched
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:29 pm
Pass the effin ball JOE !!!!!!!!
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:29 pm
We all stop playing now because the refs suck
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:30 pm
Josh had every right to be upset — at his teammates. Chandler may have traveled, but Josh was forced to stay with him and give up an open jumper to Butler because none of his teammates got back on D to guard him.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:31 pm
Caron Butler, 13 points, 5 rebounds.
Marvin, 2 points, 2 assists.
Hawks vs. Mavs
November 20th, 2010
9:31 pm
Hawks have a very deceptive 8-4 record … wonder what happens when a team that CAN’T beat playoff caliber teams actually gets into the playoffs? The ways the Hawks are playing, it means a first round sweep
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:32 pm
What good is Marvin William??? Did we really miss him??
Hit your free throws Josh !!!!!!!!
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:32 pm
Josh talking to the ref bout holding the ball..
clearly pissed..
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
9:32 pm
O’Brien . . . Teague just isn’t good enough man. That’s why people stay on him. Drew thought that he could teach aggressiveness, but he can’t. Not if that player doesn’t have it in him.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:32 pm
Mavs zone up the Hawks, and the Hawks are clueless. Hawks zone up the Mavs, and they get an open 3. The difference? Ball movement.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:33 pm
Pass the DAMN ball…
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:33 pm
“Teague just isn’t good enough man. That’s why people stay on him. Drew thought that he could teach aggressiveness, but he can’t. Not if that player doesn’t have it in him.”
And not if Woody coached it out of him.
(With that said, Teague needs to man up. Woody is gone.)
Loserville USA
November 20th, 2010
9:33 pm
Playground ball doesn’t work in the NBA. No teamwork.
Prima donnas. Frauds. No playoffs.
Melvin
November 20th, 2010
9:33 pm
When will Josh understand he can’t play off of Dirk?????
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:34 pm
Take Jamal & Marvin out the game.. Lets put in Teague & Mo ..
Take out Joe too and put in JC2 lets see if we get a spark….
Roy
November 20th, 2010
9:35 pm
I want to spit in L.D.’s face right now. Run some d*mn plays for Al and get Jamal out of the game. Jamal is blowing defensive assignment after defensive assignment and giving nothing on offense but bricked shots and attempts taken away from others.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:35 pm
cant afford to take Bibby out.
ill live w/ him getting posted .. he is ok defending out of the post. he’s even contested well.. but not knowing your defensive assignment is just plain inexcusable..
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:35 pm
Atleast UFC starts soon
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:36 pm
Josh has too cause he roams the court playing help defense for other teammates ..
No on is playing their man straight up..
JeJe.
November 20th, 2010
9:36 pm
THIS TEAM PLAYS NO DEFENSE.
U NEVER SEE BOSTON, ORLANDO, MIAMI, OR THOSE CLEVELAND TEAMS PLAY THIS HORRENDOUS DEFENSE
WHERE THE HELL IS THE BOXING OUT?
JOSH AND HORFORD: BOX OUT YOUR MEN
GOD
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:36 pm
Jordan @ point?
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:36 pm
Mavs came into this game with the #1 field goal percentage defense in the NBA. Hawks came into this game shooting 49% as a team.
I guess we know now which one was legit.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:36 pm
Jamal is 1-7 in 16 minutes. Why not play Jordan Crawford and see if he can provide a spark?
northcyde,
Teague has definitely not been impressive. But it doesnt mean its cool for Bibby to have 4 fouls.
Mavs PGs have a +/- rating of +11 (JKidd) and +13 (Barea). Bibby is at 0.
Haws defense need to turn it up though. This could be our fourth home loss of the season, after only losing 7 last season.
I wonder if Woody is watching this game with a smile…
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:37 pm
Finally Al gets a touch down low.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:37 pm
Good to see Jordan in the game.
However, we have Jordan, Jamal, and JJ in the game at the same time? Wow.
Melvin
November 20th, 2010
9:37 pm
A early Jordan sighting. Did LD lose confidence in Teague?
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:37 pm
Jordan on the floor
Blast
November 20th, 2010
9:38 pm
It’s not like Dallas is playing great defence, Hawks are just missing shots and Dallas getting offensive rebounds. Step up, Hawks!
JeJe.
November 20th, 2010
9:38 pm
AL NEVER GETS PLAYS RUN FOR HIM ON OFFENSE/ NO EASY BASKETS.
MARVIN IS TOO DAMN SCARED TO DRIBBLE THE BALL
MAKE SOME TRADES AND PLAY SOME GODDAMN DEFENSE
JESUS
kevin
November 20th, 2010
9:38 pm
Hawks can’t play with the big boys in the NBA. Magic they Lost 87-91. Bucks they got flat out blown out by, and now this game looks like a blowout. Hawks will win less than 40 this season. Marvin Williams is a bust, and this whole core crap doesn’t look so good right now. No one looks like there on the same page.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:38 pm
struggling and leaving his man.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:38 pm
If you gonna miss then play some damn D… Jamal he is COSTING us big tonight…
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:39 pm
Time to part with Jamal, smh….
Hawks Fan In New Orleans
November 20th, 2010
9:39 pm
Pacers kept it interesting but gave it up in the end to the magic – memphis is playing miami tough though…Can Woody really be solely responsible for the lack of tenacity in Teague or is he just what he is displaying and Woody rightfully did not let him see the court?
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:39 pm
If Teague and Jamal are not going to get it done, might as well play Jordan for a while. He needs playing time somehow or another, whether it’s here or in the D-League.
Blast
November 20th, 2010
9:39 pm
When Josh goes to the bench, the Mavs starts driving to the hole.
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
9:39 pm
W…T…F
is up with the Hawks?
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:40 pm
Jordan!
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:40 pm
JORDAN…………………….
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:40 pm
makes shots. and maybe equally important.. takes them.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:40 pm
Teague is a GARDEN TOOL…!!!!! I’d rather see Jordan out there right now too…
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
9:40 pm
That’s why the kid needs minutes…
He can shootem.
lukas
November 20th, 2010
9:40 pm
Yup!! this motionless offense of the Hawks is a thing of beauty!!! ECF, see you soon!!
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:41 pm
Melvin,
Thats why Jordan is in the game. Teague just isnt a shooter, and he hesitates too much.
I would like to see LD try the lineup he had when Marvin was injured.
Josh at SF, and Al at PF.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
9:41 pm
Jordan Crawford needs some time on the court…….atleast he has some stones unlike Teague.
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
9:41 pm
Jamal . . you’re ice cold from deep. Why continue to jack that shot up?
This is his life story though. The dude can be ice cold, and he’ll still jack up the exact shots he’s missing. Take a dribble in and shoot the 20 footer, if you can’t hit a 3.
Damn . . the ish ain’t that hard to understand.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:41 pm
If he has a good showing, I think playing time is his for the taking with Teague and Jamal not being a factor.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:42 pm
LMAO @ Shawn Marion
EmirS.
November 20th, 2010
9:42 pm
Finally!
Jordan Crawford!
^^
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:43 pm
Jordan looks like a decent defender to me..
Rev in Tampa
November 20th, 2010
9:43 pm
Didn’t know horford could push the ball so fast. I thought it was a pg pushing the break.
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
9:43 pm
Kid can ball…
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:43 pm
step back shawty!!
Jordan!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:44 pm
Again!
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
9:44 pm
thats whats im talkin bout lets get it!!
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:44 pm
Wow great move..
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:44 pm
Jamal freezing Jordan..
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:44 pm
Jamal Crawford is basically Ricky Davis 2 right now.. ****(I get buckets)****
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:44 pm
thats how its done ZaZa
evettec
November 20th, 2010
9:45 pm
We need production from the 2 and the 3. Somebody tell SAT, NOV 20, 2010, we are not the Lakers sitting Josh with 2 minutes left and leaving him out until 8 minutes into the next quarter is not the move right now. My whole section is losing their mind right now. Again no value in Month or Marvin
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:45 pm
Why does Joe insist on holding the ball for two seconds after he receives it instead of passing it immediately when he sees someone open? Just when you think the ball is moving nicely…
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:45 pm
All is not lost…
Rev in Tampa
November 20th, 2010
9:45 pm
Hawks finally decided to show up
Allen
November 20th, 2010
9:46 pm
The best decisions L.D. has made tonight have been to keep Al in to finish up that third quarter and to put in Jordan Crawford. They really carried the team to close out that quarter. If it weren’t for the silly turnovers by their teammates, the Hawks would be very close right now.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:46 pm
If Jordan ends up being the spark off the bench that Teague was supposed to be, I have no problem with Teague going to the doghouse and Jordan getting his minutes. One of them desperately needs to contribute for this team.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:46 pm
I’m a big fan of Teague, but LD has to find minutes for Jordan. Everytime he has played, he has made enough plays to deserve more minutes.
I dont know what else Rick needs to see to realize that Jamal is expendable, because Mo Evans and Jordan can hold down the backup SG position.
Trade Jamal for a big and or a wing.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:48 pm
Nice ball movement, despite the 3 second violation.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:48 pm
Marvin is Useless…..
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:48 pm
MARVIN….
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:48 pm
beautiful pass from Jordan.. kids floor vision is the truth..
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
9:49 pm
Baller…
Official.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:49 pm
Jordan….shoot the JJJJJ
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:49 pm
Jordan!
His shot selection needs major work, but as long as he’s making them, who cares?
truly1
November 20th, 2010
9:49 pm
trade Jamal crawford please
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:50 pm
nice..
Melvin
November 20th, 2010
9:50 pm
About time Marvin showed up in this game….
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:50 pm
Marvin picked a good time to wake up. Let’s hope the Hawks didn’t expend all of their energy clawing back into this game.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
9:50 pm
rick carlisle = jim carrey
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:50 pm
Marvin please make me eat my words… Cause so far you have been a BUM !!!!
lukas
November 20th, 2010
9:50 pm
Sautee,
Horford came to rebound tonight!!
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:50 pm
LETS GO HAWKS!!!
Good 5 pts Marv, credit where its due..
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:51 pm
Another big shot for Jordan.
Bob says LD shows confidence in him. If he wants to show confidence, then find more minutes for JC2. he has earned them.
And Horford is a beast on the boards. 16 rebounds.
And with a couple threes, we are back. Down by 4. Finally, Marvin. Finally.
truly1
November 20th, 2010
9:51 pm
teague can shoot as bad as jamal and pass the ball to jordan crawford
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
9:52 pm
well . . the spark somewhat worked. Play him the rest of the way Drew, and sit the other Crawford down.
The difference between Teague and Jordan, is that Jordan isn’t afraid to fail ( much like Smith ). LD should be grooming Jordan to play a little PG, so that he ca be matched up on a smaller man.
The team plays defense in spurts anyway, so he may as well play the better offensive player between Jordan and Teague.
truly1
November 20th, 2010
9:52 pm
trade jamal
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:52 pm
Jordan is +14 in this game in 7 minutes.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:53 pm
appreciate you leaving your man Jamal.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:53 pm
Once again, Jamals man
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:53 pm
Another blown coverage by Jamal.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:53 pm
Again lack of D from Jamal… Just go to the man whoever is Jamal is supposed to be guarding…
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
9:56 pm
Say it again Najeh . . . he’s not only +14 . . he’s directly responsible for that +14, by scoring 8 points.
This is all I’ve ever asked Teague to do in a game WHEN IT MATTERS. Just come in a game, and make an impact.
And that damn Jamal Crawford better not freeze him out either. Get Jordan the ball, and you play playmaker.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:56 pm
that boy wet..
feed him
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:57 pm
WTF was Zaza doing… at least turn around and look at the basket.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:57 pm
OH yea
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:57 pm
Josh comes in and plays great man to man D on Dirk.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:57 pm
BENCH JAMAL
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:57 pm
hell is he doing..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
9:58 pm
Get Jamal’s BUM AZZ OUT OF THE GAME
ignition
November 20th, 2010
9:58 pm
JC2 actually drove to the basket.. Did Jamal smoke some weed or something, he is having a TERRIBLE game..
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
9:58 pm
Thank you Jamal…
Back to back turnovers.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
9:58 pm
WAIT…TRADE JAMAL….
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
9:58 pm
all that bull .. AND1 mixtape and turning the ball.
shedding points. sick of it.
truly1
November 20th, 2010
9:58 pm
why is ld sticking with jamal trade him teague can bring the ball up
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
9:58 pm
Wondering why Drew didn’t get Jamal out and Joe in the last timeout…
Roy
November 20th, 2010
9:58 pm
Jamal Crawford has shown no evidence that he should be in the game right now, and yet L.D. has stuck with him for basically the entire second half. Wake up, L.D. If it’s not working, stop trying to make it work.. Lets get back to running things through Al.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
9:59 pm
Why is Rick afraid to trade jamal?
northcyde,
JC2 has earned more minutes. And if there is no room at SG, then LD needs to try him at PG. As a matter of fact, I would give him minutes at SF, because its not like Marvin is doing much either.
Come on Hawks. We need one more big push. And BTW, ZaZa is not a good fit for the Hawks
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
10:00 pm
JC1=JC2
no need to have both….as we can see..JC2 can bring offense in bunches too….but just like JC1….he’s gonna try to do too much at times….as we just saw JC1 do on that last play.
NO NEED FOR BOTH, MOVE JC1
Sautee
November 20th, 2010
10:00 pm
Jamal is losing this game for the Hawks.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:01 pm
give me Bibby with Jordan and Joe!
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:01 pm
I realize Jordan Crawford is not going to do this every game. But as we have seen tonight, Jamal is not going to do his thing every night either. Would the Hawks really lose that much in terms of bench scoring if they dealt Jamal to plug their holes at PG, SF, and C? I really don’t think so. This is why I have been advocating a Jamal trade since the day Jordan was drafted. They duplicate each other, and if Jordan can provide 70% of what Jamal provided last year, Jamal is more valuable as a trade chip than he is as a player.
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:01 pm
Jordan crawford can do what jamal does trade Jamal and Jamal is still in the game put this loss on him
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:01 pm
Thanks AL.. Great help D..
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:01 pm
Jamal Crawford is killing us
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
10:02 pm
JT blows by Jordan.
I wish somebody would ask LD why he played Jamal so many minutes? The guy is struggling on offense, and he struggles on defense.
We should have Bibby in the game with Jordan and JJ.
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
10:02 pm
JC2 forcing some passes…
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:02 pm
trade Jamal crawford
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
10:02 pm
every single game there are too many possessions where the Hawks just leave the lane wide open.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:02 pm
Jordan winded..
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
10:02 pm
They’re eating us up off the pick…
No help.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:03 pm
The Hawks need the guy from the old Sprite “No Easy Buckets” commercial.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:03 pm
Can we go inside ???
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
10:03 pm
Took the wrong Crawford out
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
10:03 pm
Wondering what JT0’s thinking…
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:04 pm
why is jamal crawford still in the game
Blast
November 20th, 2010
10:04 pm
Hawks are giving up on this game. I would be shocked if they win tonight. Down 9 but I don’t have confidence right now.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:04 pm
Why take out Jordan and keep Jamal ??? Just like that Jamal turnover…
Melvin
November 20th, 2010
10:04 pm
Why didnt he take Jamal out instead of Jordan? Jordan was playing well.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:04 pm
why is Jamal the primary handler @ the top.. yuck
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
10:04 pm
Hawks WATCHED the tipped ball
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
10:04 pm
Dammit Drew…
JC1 needs to be on the bench…
He’s needed to be on the bench for a while now.
hawks_4_life
November 20th, 2010
10:04 pm
Turnover Crawford wow
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:05 pm
Last time down, Josh stayed with Dirk and nobody helped on JT driving down the lane. This time down, Josh left Dirk to help and nobody rotated over to Dirk, leaving him wide open.
Josh is right to be frustrated. He is the only guy on this team who even makes an effort to D up.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:05 pm
Jordan was dead tired..
Bibby has to shoot that!
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:05 pm
Jam Crawford is killing us…
yes that was an echo
Ree Roe
November 20th, 2010
10:06 pm
SMH…this team angers me
-REEsuscitate Roe!!!
Melvin
November 20th, 2010
10:06 pm
I dont like LD decision to play Jamal extended mins tonight…
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
10:06 pm
Same goes for you JJ . . . you haven’t made 3s at a high clip all year. Drive the damn basketball and draw some free throw attempts. Don’t settle for wide open jumpers when you’re ice cold.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:06 pm
The sad thing about this game is that the Mavs have controlled it despite Dirk not really being much of a factor. In a typical game, at least 4 or 5 more of those jumpshots go down.
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:06 pm
Hopefully after this time out there will be no Jamal crawford
Bailey
November 20th, 2010
10:06 pm
Al has to do everything himself sometimes. The inexperienced coach won’t run things for his big man, so Al has to improvise and do it on his own.
Ramon
November 20th, 2010
10:07 pm
Does anyone else get pissed every time the Hawks come out of a timeout and Jamal is still in the game?
Rev in Tampa
November 20th, 2010
10:08 pm
Put JC2 back in the game for a few quick points.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:08 pm
I’m at a loss of words as to why Jamal is still in the game.. He’s had at least 5 turnovers.. Marvin actually plays some D and can do that.. Jordan played well and he took him out..
The perimeter guys we have don’t know what defense is..
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:08 pm
WHAT JAMAL CRAWFORD IS STILL IN THE GAMES. WHAT IS LDS PROBLEM
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
10:09 pm
Al is matched up against Chandler and Heywood, 2 centers who a lot of bloggers (me included) would like to see on the Hawks.
But yet, Al has 18 points, 18 rebounds, and 3 blocks. Wow.
Najeh,
Ive been on the trade Jamal bandwagon too , once Jordan was drafted. Especially since Jamal said pay me or trade me. Trade him Rick
cp
November 20th, 2010
10:09 pm
Why the hell is Jamal getting so many minutes? He has killed th team on both ends of the floor smdh.. And this is why JC2 should be getting Teague’s minutes. He makes it happen when he is on the court and JT0 doesn’t. still smh at jamal though wth LD
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
10:09 pm
ball game
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:09 pm
Dirk returned the favor that last time down. Great D on Josh. He knew exactly what Josh was going to do.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:10 pm
Lets go to Al.. Sounds like an Echo..
Bailey
November 20th, 2010
10:10 pm
Al is the man.
cp
November 20th, 2010
10:10 pm
Lmao why does Nique keep calling him Derick instead of Dirk lol
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:11 pm
Jamal has lost us this game… He should have taken himself out..
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:11 pm
shedding.
“pay me or TRADE ME!”
lol
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:11 pm
Josh and Al played great in today’s game. They really deserve better. The guards, with the exception of Jordan and occasionally Bibby, really let them down, and Marvin is pretty much synonymous with “letdown” at this point.
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
10:11 pm
Sund needs to make a move…
Can we ever win at home?
JC2 needs minutes ASAP – he’s good enough *as a rookie* to make a meaningful contribution to this team.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:11 pm
More great one on one defense by Josh.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:12 pm
JOSH MOTHAF-CKIN SMITH
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
10:12 pm
Damn…
Might’ve spoke too soon.
Common Hawks – pull this ishhhhh out.
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:12 pm
we can still win this game? wow
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:13 pm
Dominique Wilkins is the worst
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:13 pm
im sorry but that was a dangerous steal attempt..
shock clock winding down.. down 3 if they call that a reach he’s either at the line or side out of bounds with no need to shoot..
smh.
Jamal questionable play..
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:13 pm
We should have won this by 5 if Jamal crawford was not in the game
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:13 pm
I really, really don’t want to see whining about Josh and Al on these blogs anymore. If there are two players on this squad who don’t deserve to be hated on, it’s the two of them.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:14 pm
Now it’s time for the $126 million man to make a play. JT is going to sink these, as he always has. Joe needs to make the 3 to tie. It’s on him.
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
10:15 pm
What does it say, when LD has more confidence in Jamal (who has struggled on offense and defense), instead of marvin Williams?
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:16 pm
Hit a 3 jamal and I will shut up
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:16 pm
1st available points.. take the 2 if there..
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
10:16 pm
Enter your comments here
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:17 pm
Yeah, never mind, I didn’t realize there was so much time left.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 20th, 2010
10:17 pm
and thats why he makes the big money
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
10:17 pm
Seriously LD?
That looked like the play that Woody would call last season.
Hawks vs. Mavs
November 20th, 2010
10:17 pm
and that’s game
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
10:18 pm
Truthfully, that was not the greatest of looks.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:18 pm
What the f-ck was that… Horford was wide open in the paint.
Melvin
November 20th, 2010
10:18 pm
WTF was Joe doing? Pass the ball, jump into the defender or go for the quick two…
J.J.M.
November 20th, 2010
10:18 pm
lol joe wanted to be a super star so bad…and only 7 home loses all last season
STRETCH
November 20th, 2010
10:18 pm
Joe JejejejejeJohnson!!!!!!!!!!!! Theres your 126 milliion dollar man compliments of Rick Sund and Co!
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:19 pm
this loss is on LD and Jamal crawford
Hawks vs. Mavs
November 20th, 2010
10:19 pm
Boston next, that’ll be another guaranteed loss
lukas
November 20th, 2010
10:19 pm
And that’s how you dump 126 million dollars!!
Wabe
November 20th, 2010
10:19 pm
SMH @ the Hawks…
Seriously, getting mighty annoying watching this.
Isn’t Dallas on the back end of a back to back?
Aren’t the Hawks rested after a 3 day layoff?
Aren’t the Hawks playing at home?
WTF is this?
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:19 pm
lol @ dwane casey..
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:20 pm
Our guards did nothing for us tonight…
Josh 20 & 5 & 5
Al 20 & 20 & 5
We used to dominate home court .. Idk what’s wrong but we got to fix it…
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:20 pm
0-5 against good teams. 8-0 against sh-tty teams.
5-1 on the road. 3-4 at home.
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:20 pm
Jamal Crawford and Marvin Williams continue to be the achilles heel of this team….
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:21 pm
“this loss is on LD and Jamal crawford”
Don’t sell Joe and Marvin short.
STRETCH
November 20th, 2010
10:21 pm
And thats why this team will never make it past the 2nd round of any playoffs. You break the bank for a 11 pts a game player?
JeJe.
November 20th, 2010
10:21 pm
LOL 4 home losses this year.
Lost a team that freaking LOST at home last night and came over 1,000 miles to beat us in our own arena LOL
NO DEFENSE
NO REBOUNDING
NO HEART
NO HARD FOULS
NO FIGHTS
Dan
November 20th, 2010
10:21 pm
Jamal Crawford, pay him or trade him!!!! He is hurting the team. 4 turnovers in the 4th quarter, in crunch time? WTF!!!!!
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:21 pm
LD looks like woody Jr
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:22 pm
We have to go to Al more as our go to guy…
Bailey
November 20th, 2010
10:22 pm
Well, I think most will agree with me when I say that Jamal Crawford, and perhaps more importantly, L.D. are mostly responsible for this loss. Jamal clearly didn’t have it going tonight, yet L.D. just wouldn’t bench him and give someone else a shot. Also, Al was a beast, hitting just about every shot he put up, yet L.D. failed to run things for him. L.D. clearly has a lot to learn. On a positive note, you have to take your hat off to Al Horford. He was, by far, the best player in this game and probably would have led the team to victory if he would have touched the ball more on the offensive end.
One other thing. Jordan Crawford provided a great spark tonight, and I think he proved that he deserves some playing time in the future. Absolutely critical flaw by L.D. to stick with Jamal over Jordan when Jordan had it going, but at any rate, great effort by Jordan Crawford.
Blast
November 20th, 2010
10:22 pm
How come Hawks play so well against weak teams this year and suck against playoff teams? It was the opposite last year! Joe got the big money. He has to step up. Jamal might not have gotten the contract he wanted this year, but he is still making 10 mil a year. He has to play like it. I didn’t expect Drew to leave Jamal so long in this game especially after he made that crucial turnover.
Rev in Tampa
November 20th, 2010
10:22 pm
There is no saying, “At least they made it close.” There is no excuse for how they played tonight. They were fresh and the Mavs were not. Dirk had a bad night shooting. NO EXCUSES!!!
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:23 pm
A move must be made involving Jamal Crawford and/or Marvin Williams
Is Jamal depressed? He doesn’t look himself…Marvin is Marvin aka Jekyll & Hyde and tonight it was Hyde
Jordan Crawford made a positive impression
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:23 pm
Very disappointed we are a better team than this… We are a better team than our record..
cp
November 20th, 2010
10:24 pm
Its time to package up the invisible man aka duck and Jamal pay me or trade me… Marvin continues to start although he brings nothing to the table… Jamal looks like he doesn’t care.. LD blew it with sticking with Jamal… Rick get these 2 cats out of here
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:24 pm
What did Marvin Do but he only played 26 minutes anyway he shot ok
Ray
November 20th, 2010
10:25 pm
Yeah Jamal just earned himself a trip out of A-Town say we trade him to Dallas for Caron Butler and Haywood. If somehow possible cause he isn’t doing a thing.
Marvin is now starting to look really bad, and I’ve supported him for a long time, but he’s just not cutting it he does great on defense, but that offense needs a revamp or something I don’t know.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:25 pm
I’m more than disappointed I’m angry.. Our perimeter players did nothing.. absolutely NOTHING.. !!!!
Bailey
November 20th, 2010
10:25 pm
Oh, one another thing. There’s some hope for us in the standings due to other things that are going on tonight. It looks like the Grizzlies may have a shot at defeating the heat tonight, which means the Hawks won’t fall behind the Heat yet. L.D. and certain players on the team really need to get their acts together fast though. We can’t continue to have these types of highly preventable losses. This was the Hawks’ game to lose.
JeJe.
November 20th, 2010
10:26 pm
DESHAWN STEVENSON HAD MORE POINTS TONIGHT THAN JOE JOHNSON
JUMPER
LOL!
BIBBY FOULING DESHAWN !@#$ING STEVENSON ON A FADEAWAY
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:28 pm
Can we give Denver a call for Carmelo.. ?? I mean Jamal & Marvin are tradable pieces..
cp
November 20th, 2010
10:29 pm
And its time to start playing JC2. LD has given Teague every opportunity so far this season and he has done nothing with it. I said a few blogs ago that Jordan Crawford would be no worse than what Teague is giving us so far and that aint much.. His defense will be fine. Get JC2 some minutes
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:29 pm
That was Josh Smith that stole that ball no Jamal crawford he just got the score off of it
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
10:29 pm
My comment was supposed to be . . . “Please set up a play for Bibby”.
Oh well.
JJ took an NBA Jam three.
Wow @ 4 home losses already.
Horrible games by our supposed scorers JJ and Jamal.
Not the best coached game by Drew, although inserting Jordan into the game made him look like he knows what he’s doing. Jamal playing 30 minutes, with the way he was playing on both ends of the court, is unacceptable.
Great games by Horford and Smith. You earned your money tonight.
Bibby kept us within striking distance, but was on the bench way too long.
Marvin was Marvin.
Teague may have to look over his shoulder now.
And Rudy Gay just made an 15 foot fadeaway jumper over Lebron to beat Miami.
Ray
November 20th, 2010
10:30 pm
It’s time for some trades to be happening around here especially with Jamal. I must say I was highly impressed with Jordan Crawford he actually beings what Jamal has plus actual defense geez.
Trade Jamal. I’m going to wait on Marvin a little bit cause he actually has some defense vs. Jamal, and like someone mention before he doesn’t really affect the outcome of a game like Jamal does.
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:30 pm
I don’t understand why the Hawks don’t play with energy…all these guys are young…I just don’t understand it. They are still immature…every time something happens their body language changes.
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:31 pm
People Stop making it Teague versus Jordan Crawford it is Jordan Crawford versus Jamal Crawford
cp
November 20th, 2010
10:31 pm
ignition I read a rumor saying the Hawks might be the sleeper team to land Melo. I dont know how true it is but I would be all for that move. I know a few people on here dont like the idea of Melo but I say go for it.
ignition
November 20th, 2010
10:33 pm
@ cp Lets give Denver a Call .. They have to do something and Jamal & Marvin are great pieces for them…
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
10:34 pm
That was a bad play call for JJ. Al was 10-12, so I think we should have gone to him for the quick 2, and then foul the Mavericks again.
This is a team loss, but a big part of this is on LD.
truly1
November 20th, 2010
10:34 pm
It is Teague versus Bibby and Jamal crawford versus Jordan Craford
Ray
November 20th, 2010
10:34 pm
Teague to me is still a rookie cause I didn’t see much of him last season so at this point he’s untouchable to me.
Marvin, Jamal, Etan Thomas, and Twin are all trade-able if they don’t start playing like they want it. Especially Jamal and Marvin he’s actually getting by a little in my book he did have that injury just a couple weeks back.
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:35 pm
Jamal is gone….I’m convinced they don’t need him…Marvin Williams…just no shows too often
Ray
November 20th, 2010
10:39 pm
@ YoDaddy I agree with you Jamal is gone they really don’t need him cause it seems Jordan Crawford is ready, and he stays ready like for real.
Marvin like I said I’m mad with him, but at the same time I’m willing to give a longer trail period on him because this offense is suppose to benefit him, and he’s never been the make or break guy on the team neither.
JeJe.
November 20th, 2010
10:41 pm
for EVERYTHING JOSH AND AL DO OFFENSIVELY, THESE GUYS ARE HORRID DEFENDERS
NO REBOUNDING, NO BOXING OUT…JOSH LEAVING DIRK SPACE TO SHOOT.
THIS TEAM DOES NOT PLAY DEFENSE. WE ARE SOFT. WE DO NOT COMPARE AT ALL TO BOSTON, ORLANDO, OR MIAMI IN A 7 GAME SERIES. CHICAGO WOULD PROBABLY BEAT US
WE NEED MOVES AND WE NEED THEM NOW
4 HOME LOSSES IN 1 MONTH?
LOL! CLEVELAND LOST 2 HOME GAMES IN 1 YEAR
FIRE SUND
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:41 pm
I would not be oppposed to Marvin and Jamal for Melo
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:42 pm
Joe Johnson is on the trading block
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
10:43 pm
BTW, Jamal Crawford was 2-10 from the field, with 5 turnovers, but he still played 33 minutes.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:44 pm
“I would not be oppposed to Marvin and Jamal for Melo”
I hope not.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:45 pm
before the game Drew said he would find more minutes for Jamal.. and he did.
after the game Drew say’s the play was supposed to be for Joe to turn the corner and go get fouled.. which he didnt (maybe b/c of the early mishandle of the hand off) .. in my opinion he had the opportunity to get the call on his 3 attempt.. i guess he wasnt sure he would get the call..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:45 pm
Jamal and Marvin for Melo would be the Hawks’ version of the Pau Gasol trade — in that the Hawks would have made a major swindle and the Nuggets’ GM would get fired.
Harpie
November 20th, 2010
10:45 pm
The Hawks dropped one crappy head coach, and picked up another one. Let Al coach the team; he’s the only smart guy out there…
EmirS.
November 20th, 2010
10:45 pm
@JeJe
Its only them 2 defending….they cant defend 5 people. You’ve seen Smith staying on Dirk while JT drove down the lane, no one was on JT. You seen the next time Smith leave dirk to help with JT….dirk gets the ball…no one covers Dirk while Smith is helping with JT. Seriously, what more can they do. Its not SMith and Al, its the rest of the team who have no sense of urgency..
Melvin
November 20th, 2010
10:46 pm
Hawks need to upgrade its bench, plain and simple. There’s too much of a drop when they have to sub for their starters….
Ray
November 20th, 2010
10:46 pm
@ YoDaddy
Are you saying JJ is on there or do you want him to be on there?
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:46 pm
Jamal Crawford is the elephant in the room….he’s gotta go….I don’t care how he gets gone but he has to go…13 games in and he hasn’t had one good game
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:47 pm
On another note, at least the Hawks managed to beat Memphis — something Miami apparently can’t do.
superiorblogman
November 20th, 2010
10:47 pm
Well guys Larry Drew’s offense does not highlight the strengths of Jamal and Joe and you can’t do anything with Joe but you have to move Jamal now. Marvin and Zaza are garbage in any offense or system so they also need to go at the 1st oppurtunity. Jordan can feel in for what you are currently getting from Jamal so I am tired of hearing that. On the other hand, you need guys like Joe and Jamal who are really good 1 on 1 guys on your team you just don’t need too many guys like that. Lastly, Larry Drew is not a good coach. His system does not bring out his best players assets and his substitution patterns are amateur at best.
bigdave
November 20th, 2010
10:47 pm
“BTW, Jamal Crawford was 2-10 from the field, with 5 turnovers, but he still played 33 minutes.”
speaks volumes for the confidence in the games of Marvin and Jeff..
Samuel
November 20th, 2010
10:48 pm
Ray,
A guy that can’t shoot and a turnover machine “untouchable”. OOOOKKKKK.
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
10:48 pm
@Ray
he needs to be on there because he’s been stinking it up all year….I’m thinking he has an injury that he’s not revealing but his offense is off and he’s playing much slower than he did last year…almost like he can’t get any separation from his defender and no lift on his jumper.
JeJe.
November 20th, 2010
10:49 pm
is HORFORD ALLOWED TO HAVE PLAYS RUN FOR HIM? HES THE ONLY GUY ON THIS TEAM WHO CARES
Ray
November 20th, 2010
10:51 pm
@ Samuel who are you referring to that I said was untouchable Jeff Teague? Or someone else?
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:51 pm
A more realistic trade idea would be Jamal, Marvin, Zaza, and Mo for Tayshaun Prince, Ben Wallace, Chris Wilcox, and Tracy McGrady. At least as far as talent that’s a more or less even trade — the only sticking point would be whether or not Detroit would be willing to take on the rest of Marvin and Zaza’s deals.
cp
November 20th, 2010
10:52 pm
lol Najeh. I know right, nobody on here should opposed to that deal.. ignition the problem is we have Rick Sund as GM. I don’t know if he is willing to make that type of move… Marvin just does not have it. Its time to stop waiting for him to show up. New offense same ol invisible Marvin…. And as much as I criticized Woodrow over the years, LD has made a lot of bad decisions when it comes to pt and use of the bench. He has left them in for to long in games and they have given up the lead..H. And tonight he benched Bibby and Jordan although they were hitting shots to leave Jamal in who was killing the team offensively and defensively. When he put Bibby back in, it should have been Jamal coming out not Jordan… LD blew it with sticking with Jamal. Its time for Sund to start making some calls.. Big games by Josh and Horford though.. I don’t know how someone can say Horford didn’t rebound when the man had 20 tonight… And I have no idea wtf is going on with Joe smh
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
10:54 pm
Horford was beasting on the boards and Josh did a great job D’ing up Dirk — if anyone else on this team knew how to rotate, he wouldn’t have to leave Dirk so often. I have no idea what game JeJe was watching. Those two are the only reason this game was even as close as it was.
Ray
November 20th, 2010
10:56 pm
Josh Smith and Horford are looking like true superstars on this team. Joe is looking like Average Joe at the moment, but maybe it’s cause of the injury I’m hoping cause if it isn’t then I’ll be really upset we dumped $126 off on a guy we could have let walk to NYC for another player like a C just saying.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 20th, 2010
11:00 pm
“I’m hoping cause if it isn’t then I’ll be really upset we dumped $126 off on a guy we could have let walk to NYC for another player like a C just saying.”
The problem is, if the Hawks had let Joe walk, they wouldn’t have had cap space to acquire another impact player.
And this is directly a result of giving Marvin, Zaza, and Bibby contract extensions in the summer of 2009.
EmirS.
November 20th, 2010
11:00 pm
Was looking at the box score. Al Horford 10-12 FGs. Truly amazing.
cp
November 20th, 2010
11:00 pm
The Hawks are trying to get something out of Teague that isn’t there while Jordan already has it in him.. And can we please get a better back up center. After the first game of the year ZaZa has been flat out terrible. This dude fumbles more passes than a little bit. I cant count the number of nice passes made to him that he has somehow blew.
YoDaddy
November 20th, 2010
11:03 pm
ON a positive note though, you can see how the Hawks are trying to break their old habits they just have not gotten there yet. They still get down on themselves thru adversity but they don’t pack it in like they used to. They must learn to ride the waves.
A perfect example of riding the wave was when the Hawks came within striking distance and Dirk was off it seemed like the Mavericks picked it up as a team after squandering an 18 pt lead (seems many teams do that huh?).
Consistency is the key and the drop off from the bench players is unacceptable.
As bad as Jamal Crawford, Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson played..the Hawks still had a chance to win the game. Jordan Crawford showed that all he needs is a chance and he will be good player n this league. Horford the so called undersized center dominated this game and Josh Smith proves yet again that he is untradeable and an All Star caliber player. The Hawks kept turnovers to a minimum and played some pretty good defense. That’s looking at the positives of the game.
Ray
November 20th, 2010
11:06 pm
Well I need to calm down a bit I guess the whole summer of sameness is starting to have it’s negative affects I was already on the fence about watching the hawks. Then the 6 game win streak happened, and it was like maybe things had changed, but now it seems like it’s the same and growing worse and better at the same time.
Honestly I don’t know how that happens but things that are getting better Horford and Josh Smith.
Things growing worse would be MW, Jamal, JJ, and Etan plus other players.
EmirS.
November 20th, 2010
11:09 pm
What do you think Mr.Sund is doing or thinking atm?
northcyde
November 20th, 2010
11:12 pm
@ cp . . . that’s what I’ve been saying all along about Teague. It just isn’t in him. He has a former PG in Van exel supposedly helping him, and you just don’t see “the dog” coming out. And it’s because he’s not a true PG. Even in college, he didn’t run the point.
If anything, Teague is turning into a defensive specialist type PG, rather than a PG that can lead a team. Right now, he’s a poor man’s Mario Chalmers
lewis
November 20th, 2010
11:20 pm
trade jamal
O'Brien
November 20th, 2010
11:30 pm
At this point, the only untouchables are Josh, Al and JJ.
Northcyde,
I’m a fan of teague, but this offseason, I suggested getting a third PG in here. Luckily, bibby has played better than he did last year, but teague has not been impressive.
I think i would do prince and bynum (or prince and stuckey) for Jamal and teague right now (if the numbers add up).
superiorblogman
November 20th, 2010
11:36 pm
In fairness to Sund if Prince is the best offer you are getting in a deal that includes your biggest trade asset I would hold out for more also. On the other hand, I would have certainly done the Teague for Thompson trade if that was really offered.
Clyde
November 20th, 2010
11:41 pm
*YAWNS*
Ramon
November 20th, 2010
11:42 pm
Mike Bibby is really the surprise story of the season so far for me. He’s playing way better, and he’s actually earning his contract in my eyes. True he’s not going to shut down the other team’s PG. But he was never known to do that in his career. It was Bobby Jackson in Sac, who would come and apply pressure. But Bibby is leading the starters in a lot of ways. I think if Jamal is traded, Bibby will have even greater finishes in games. Bibby is still arguably our most clutch player on the team.
Atlanta Fawkers
November 20th, 2010
11:46 pm
This is why no one comes to the “highlight factory”. Looks like some players needed to go with Woody as well. Thank God for the Falcons.
TheHawks
November 20th, 2010
11:56 pm
Team seeking revenge for the last year overtime lost might as well digs twenty four graves.
TheHawks
November 20th, 2010
11:58 pm
A team seeking revenge for last year loss might as well lose twelve more games.
TheHawks
November 20th, 2010
11:58 pm
Hawks are good,
TheHawks
November 20th, 2010
11:58 pm
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheHawks
November 20th, 2010
11:59 pm
NOT REALLY!
cp
November 21st, 2010
12:01 am
@northcyde I don’t even know if Teague is there defensively yet. I saw a guy like Telfair have his way and we all know Telfair is an average pg..I was one of Teague’s biggest defenders. I was always saying just give him time just wait but honestly I just don’t see it. Other than being fast and athletic he doesn’t give us much. He has shown nice defensive abilities in spurts but that’s about it. I understood not doing the Thompson deal because of no backup pg but man the way ZaZa is looking out there Thompson would have been a good back up. I would have just let JC2 handle the backup pg role……………………………I was also against the deal for Bynum and Prince but I would take that too.. Our bench is terrible and guys we are counting on are not getting it done……Its almost shocking we have won the number of games we have with Jamal stinking it up,,, Marvin being Marvin, ZaZa looking terrible, Teague not doing much, Mo hurt , and Joe not having his shot… We really need guys to start showing something or make some moves.
superiorblogman
November 21st, 2010
12:43 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aq4vYICUE.M8h3l9kmKmpdS8vLYF?slug=mc-hornetsraptorstrade112010
For all of you guys in love with Jarret Jack he is now a Hornet. Atleast someone is trying to get better and address there needs even though they have one of the best records in the league and a smaller market than Atlanta and that would be New Orleans.
superiorblogman
November 21st, 2010
2:23 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28l8mlb
Hawks get
Javale McGee
Tayshaun Prince
Ben Gordon
Wiz get
Richard Hamilton
Marvin Williams
Zaza
Pistons get
Gilbert Arenas
Jamal Crawford