Atlanta Hawks: Mavericks 98, Hawks 93
J.J.'s last play was only the beginning of Atlanta's problems. (AP Photo)
– The Hawks lost seven home games last season. They’ve lost four times at Philips Arena in the first four weeks this season. Can’t knock their 5-1 road record but also can’t ignore their inability to beat good teams at home.
– Losing by close margins isn’t much of a mitigating factor, either, since the best teams tend to win those kind of games more often than they lose them. The Hawks were healthy and rested this time, too, while Dallas came in after taking a tough L against Chicago last night.
– That didn’t keep the Mavs from looking sharper in the first half. L.D. said the Hawks haven’t played with the same energy at Philips Arena. It’s also true they haven’t played the same level of competition. “We have put ourselves in positions that we shouldn’t put ourselves in,” L.D. said. “A lot of that is a failure to follow details.”
– “I thought we had a good plan coming in,” Al said. “It’s a tough loss. We still have work to do as a team.”
– Down three with 13.2 seconds left, the Hawks ended up getting an awkward 3-point try from J.J., who looked to be trying to draw a foul on Tyson Chandler. Clearly that’s not what the Hawks were looking for.
– “Get a handoff, turn the corner and get fouled,” Drew said. “We drew up a play to go to the basket and get fouled. We wanted to put the onus on the official. If we make the free throws when we foul them and there’s plenty of time left. We did not get a clean exchange between [Joe] and Al on the handoff.”
– J.J. played with a glove on his left hand. He got it banged during the preseason and he favors it at times. I’ve never seen him miss so many open shots as the last month–the Mavs appeared to be letting him shoot long jumpers at times–but you never get far asking him if injuries are affecting his play.
– “I’m good, man,” he said yesterday. “Just nursing these little ‘nick knacks’ I’ve got. Other than that, everything else is cool. I will be all right.”
– The Hawks reacted as if they had never seen a zone defense before. They passed it aimlessly around the perimeter until someone decided to jack up a 3-pointer. The Hawks missed 18 of 25.
– L.D. said the Hawks expected to see zone and the plan was to reverse the ball and attack the creases. “We settled,” L.D. said. “That’s way, way too many 3-point shots for us. They zoned us and we lost discipline. We settled for perimeter shots. Our movement was slow. We looked unsure. We started holding the ball. We fell prey to exactly what they wanted us to do.”
– Al had 20 rebounds. His teammates had 17. The Hawks had a 20-18 edge on the boards in the second half but Dallas led 26-17 in the first with eight offensive rebounds. There were a few possessions where the Hawks watched the ball fall to the floor before Dallas collected it. “We did a poor job of boxing out,” Drew said.
– Atlanta’s bench was awful in the first half. The reserves played a combined 37 minutes and combined for two points and two rebounds. The goal is for those guys to provide energy but instead they let the game get away in the second quarter.
– The Mavs are the latest Hawks opponent to show the difference in depth between the teams Atlanta has beaten and the teams they can’t beat. It’s too difficult for the Hawks to beat good teams when the bench drags them down.
– This was the fourth straight game Zaza was just kind of out there. It’s perplexing because he had been productive and energetic.
– Jamal still isn’t shooting well and his turnovers are up. He had seven assists so it’s not like he’s stagnant but the instant offense has been up-and-down. He had a key steal, craftily poking the ball away from Chandler on a trap with Smoove and dunking at the other end.
– Another strong line from Josh: 21 points, six assists, five steals, 10 of 19 shooting. Just five boards, and it looked like he grew frustrated because he and Al were the only guys working to get them.
– The Hawks couldn’t take advantage of an off night for Nowitzki, who was 8 of 22. He was just 2 of 9 in the fourth period and missed at least four wide open looks that he almost always makes in clutch situations.
– With Bibby in foul trouble and L.D. apparently having seen enough of Teague in the first half, in came Jordan Crawford to play with a small lineup. He gave the Hawks spark by making his first four shots, including a fadeaway over Nowitzki.
– “It felt good to get out there and play,” Jordan Crawford said. “I’m just excited that I got the opportunity and I just tried to take advantage of it.”
– “Jordan gave us some really good minutes,” L.D. said.
– “Atlanta has so much firepower, and they they insert a kid who probably hasn’t played in three or four games and he lights it up,” Jason Terry said.
– Later, Jordan showed his inexperience. He messed up a coverage that led to a Barea 3, lost Terry on a pick-and-roll layup and threw the ball away when trying to whip a pass to Mo under the basket. Back came Bibby, who continues to be the only guard making 3-pointers consistently.
– I’m out, Hawks fans.
MC
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~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 21st, 2010
12:11 am
Jamal Crawford and Marvin Williams hopefully wont finish the season in Hawks uniforms.
Tom
November 21st, 2010
12:13 am
Hawks need to get it together.
rms
November 21st, 2010
12:15 am
So Teague sucks that bad, huh!!
Jae Evolution
November 21st, 2010
12:23 am
Jordan should’ve been getting PT from Game 1, we obviously have tools to replace what we have can someone get a decent trade in the works for a backup big, a starting caliber center, SF, or PG…PLEASE!
Ramon
November 21st, 2010
12:51 am
The discouraging part about the play of Marvin and Jamal is they’re not even playing good enough to get traded.
KevinM
November 21st, 2010
1:19 am
Well, another test failed against a decent team from the West.
Really, MC, do you see any improvement other than Smoove by anyone this year? Anyone?
8-5 was not expected this early on…..
Najeh Davenpoop
November 21st, 2010
1:27 am
“The Hawks reacted as if they had never seen a zone defense before. They passed it aimlessly around the perimeter until someone decided to jack up a 3-pointer. The Hawks missed 18 of 25.”
This is how they react every time they see a zone defense. I was hoping the new offense would change things in this area, but so far it has not.
jim
November 21st, 2010
1:31 am
i seriously do not understand why jj got so much money….he has done nothing for us this year. Same goes for marvin (well duh) and jamal. Where can we spend that $30 million on. We need to trade them now b4 they are worth even less. And give jordan more minutes LD.
jim
November 21st, 2010
1:33 am
actually we should start bibby at point with jordan and jj at the wings then bring marvin off the bench. He is pretty much worthless now anyway
O'Brien
November 21st, 2010
1:36 am
Great game Al, good game Josh, and okay game bibby and Jordan. Everyone else, including LD was horrible.
LD said players did not pay attention to details. I hope he let them Have it after the game. And I would like to see him send a message to Jamal by benching him in favor of Jordan.
Don’t know why LD played Jamal 33 minutes despite the fact he sucked tonight.
No need to panic as yet. However, history suggests these players don’t have the mental fortitude necessary to make the next step.
LD said he saw guys hanging their heads early on just because Dallas made a run, and how he has seen it before. He sounds frustrated with this team.
They say the easiest way to improve the moral in the work place is to fire the employees who are unhappy.
The best way to improve the mental makeup of this team is to make a trade.
MsDee
November 21st, 2010
1:37 am
Jamal couldn’t throw a penny in da ocean tonight…SO WHY DID LD SUB BIBBY FOR JORDAN CRAWFORD INSTEAD OF JAMAL??????????????????????????????????? SO WHAT JC2 MADE A FEW HICCUPS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE 7 TO’S JC1 COMMITTED?????????????????????? COME ON LD, I’M TRYIN TO STAY POSITIVE, DONT CONTINUE TO LET ME DOWN!!!!
Najeh Davenpoop
November 21st, 2010
1:41 am
“Really, MC, do you see any improvement other than Smoove by anyone this year? Anyone?”
Horford has clearly improved as well. He is much more confident and versatile offensively now than he was a year before, both as a jump shooter as well as in the post.
Everyone else on the team, though — in particular Marvin and Teague, who were both being counted on to improve — is exactly the same.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
1:45 am
Craw-Fishy!
I have seen enough!
Jamal Crawford! Is done playing for the Hawks!
Trade his azz … and Marvin too! Throw Zsa Zsa in there too!
It is clear, that Sund promised Jamal something and lied to him. Apparently, he waived his option and it was not honored by management, so, there is some bad blood going on here. Jamal was promised a new contract and it was not honored by management, so now, he is disgruntled and is hurting the team purposefully.
Joe is proving that if he is not featured, you will get ball sharing, but no wins without the ball in his hands. There are some serious issues going on internally with this team. Joe got his money, so he don’t give a fck – now, and that is real!
I say, bench jamal for the next ten games, and give all his minutes to Jordan! What have we got to lose! There are some serious chemistry issues going on here! They say the NBA is a business, and with the new CBA Contract looming, so be it! These cats are playing for Money and not the Love of the Game!
This is not basketball, we are witnessing …. It’s all about the Benjamin’ s Baby!
aye Sund! Fix Your Damned team!
Go Smoove Go!
O'Brien
November 21st, 2010
1:45 am
Jim,
Another option is to go back to the lineup from when Marin was injured. Start twin At center, al at PF, and Josh at SF.
I don’t agree much with alleged superiorblogman. The hornets are 10-1, and playing in a small market.
But yet they trade their $14 mil expiring contract (Peja) in an attempt to get better.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 21st, 2010
1:47 am
Call up Joe Dumars and beg and plead for him to do Jamal and Marvin for Prince, Ben Wallace, Chris Wilcox (to make salaries match), and a pick of some sort. Maybe Jamal and Marvin are (slightly) more talented than Prince and Big Ben, but the Hawks so desperately need some toughness and defense that this trade would be more than worth it.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 21st, 2010
1:49 am
^^ I should have added, that trade has to wait until December 15 in order to work under the salary cap.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
1:51 am
Najeh!
Enthusiatic Co-sign! Shake this Fckn” Sh!t up!
Child Please!
Bust this ISH up and – Make a Change we can Believe in!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
1:54 am
Fire Sund! Better Yet! Fire the AS-Killer-G!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
2:06 am
Kurt Thomas
Antonio McDyess
Raja Bell
Kenyon Martin
Matt Barnes
Ron Artest
Udonis Haslem
kevin Love
Troy Murphy
Hakim Warrick
Brandaon Bass
J.J. Hickson
I could do this all day! But, I am not The Hawks GM! This team need some Fkn’ Help!
Do your damned job! I’m doin’ mine and – IMA Biatch!
Go Figure!
cp
November 21st, 2010
2:15 am
Its time to get over this core b.s. cause aint nothing good about it..Sund talked about improving this sorry bench and did nothing to add quality players to it….LD talks a good game but I’m sorry I’m not seeing it so far. He said he was going to hold guys accountable but I’m not seeing it… Marvin does absolutely nothing and still starts…… Jamal Crawford disrupts the offense. plays no d, turns the ball ova , takes any shot he wants yet he is still getting major minutes. Where is the accountability LD? Teague has shown me absolutely nothing out there…. ZaZa is terrible. If this was the NFL he would lead the league in dropped passes and fumbles. Dude gets set up nicely all the time and he either gets blocked, fumbles the ball away, or does that dumb pump fake that nobody goes for and travels. Jamal, Marvin, and ZaZa should all be on the trading block. I wouldn’t even be mad if Teague was on it. Its time to get some guys in here who are going to get the job done. New year same ol same ol with these guys smh
Props to Josh and Al. They seem to be the only ones who care to show up and attempt to play hard. Bibby has also been better than last year… Joe is struggling but I think he will eventually find his shot. He is the one guy I’m not worried about.
L-QUE
November 21st, 2010
2:17 am
here we go again jc1 is not a point and can not play it play the twin he can help.most seven footers in the league just take up space. with the exception being 2maybe3 centers that make a difference in agame play the seven twin he plays will in short, where was powell he could have helped with marion on the boards and points inside.bibby sit to long tonight he was our only outside treat to open up the inside so josh could slam all night jc1 should have come out the game but he took out jc2 bad coaching have put the burden of winning on josh & al with bibby in short burst J.JACK is gone.bad player use have cost us three games i know
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
2:18 am
cp
That just about sums it ALL up!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
2:20 am
L-QUE … WTF are you tryin” to say? Are you drinkin” again?
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
2:30 am
Trade These B!atches:
Jeff Teague
Marvin Williams
Jamal Crawford
Zsa Zsa
Jason Collins
Josh Powell
Mike Bibby
Pape Sy
Maurice Evans
Etan Thomas
I will take ANY D-Leaguer for these scrubs!
Like that bannished PG who played for the Pacers said: “I don’t play with scrubs” Ahhh … what’s his name? He hated on the NBA Homo-Sexual, who played for The Orlando Magic! … ???
Tim Hardaway? I think that was him?
superiorblogman
November 21st, 2010
2:34 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=28l8mlb
Hawks get
Javale McGee
Tayshaun Prince
Ben Gordon
Wiz get
Richard Hamilton
Marvin Williams
Zaza
Pistons get
Jamal
Gilbert Arenas
superiorblogman
November 21st, 2010
2:38 am
New Hawks lineup
PG BIBBY//TEAGUE
SG JOE/GORDON/JORDAN
SF PRINCE/EVANS
PF SMOOVE/POWELL/
C HORFORD/MCGEE/COLLINS
Anthony
November 21st, 2010
2:38 am
A team fulll of losers and if you’re a fan that continues to support their cause… Well, that makes you a loser also in my book.
The Truth
November 21st, 2010
2:56 am
Report Card on the worst offenders:
JJ played incoherent as if he had a hangover from too much partying at Magic City last night. His lack of preparation was obvious. Not only was he struggling offensively but his blown assignments on defense were also costly.
Jamal was perhaps the biggest goat of the game. He stunk it up so badly offensively and defensibly that it was unconscious. The timing of his miscues was the most damaging that he perhaps single-handedly put the dagger in the loss. Maybe he attended the same party JJ attended and got caught-up in drinking too much booze or worst.
Marvin was typical Marvin. His problem of inconsistency is still consistent and clearly mental. Though he disappointing us again, he didn’t nearly do the damage that Jamal did; In fact, when it appeared that he might be finding his stroke with that last shot he made to brought the Hawks within 6 pts to tie, soon after, LD benched him but played Jamal though his miscues for 33 min.
Speaking of LD, other than Jamal, he perhaps was the biggest contributor of the loss because of his rotation pattern. For him to continue to play Jamal through his struggles was senseless. If I didn’t know any better, I would have sworn that Woody was coaching that game based on the substitution pattern; Jamal first off the bench (no matter what) and will finish the game (no matter what), Zaza first big off the bench (no matter what) and will play substantial minutes (no matter what), Jordon Crawford (the rookie) lights it up on offense but is benched with a few miscues while the coach overlooks the miscues of his veterans (no matter what). Doesn’t this sound familiar? To be fair however, I saw rational for playing Jamal in the first half during Dallas zone defense because he was the only PG that had the ability to break-down the zone defense. Jeff Teague was supposed to be quick expected to do this but (again) he deferred.
I have already prognosticated about Jeff Teague abilities or lack thereof. Since he is making me look like Nostradamus right now, I won’t belabor the point.
Zaza has been sucking as of late, but in this game he sucked so badly that I and perhaps others were screaming for him to come out of the game. In a critical possession when the Hawks were trying to make that last run, Zaza couldn’t finish under the rim and created a TO. Mo Evans out of frustration dropped his head and slammed the ball pretending to dribble. He was just plan awful. He makes bone-headed fouls trying to demonstrate his effort but he is really masking his limitations. Lately he is more of a gimmick than an NBA basketball player.
tidog
November 21st, 2010
3:02 am
Wow, just finished watching the dvr of the game. The loss has to go to LD. Coming out of your final timeout down by 3 and your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option is Joe Johnson stumbling and dribbling across the court for a contested 3 is terrible. Joe being the 1st option is expected at that time but geez draw up a plan b. Jamal Crawford was useless tonight and could have helped more watching from the bench. I like that LD does give other guys minutes(keeps them engaged in the game)and that was some great production for the rookie. Will someone please tell Teague that he has the talent to be in the league and to put some aggression with his quickness and get to the cup.
tidog
November 21st, 2010
3:14 am
BTW make some noise Monday, Lets go hawks, lets go hawks.
ignition
November 21st, 2010
3:24 am
Was Marvin playing tonight cause I watched the game and couldn’t tell… Jamal had his worst game as a Hawk and that has been a consistent theme for him this year same with Joe who hasn’t done anything since signing the contract.. Props to Josh & Al who more and more appear to be the true center pieces of the team everyone else is expendable… Trade whoever…
vava74
November 21st, 2010
5:18 am
Until we get 20/25 minutes of steady PG production behind Bibby (by a real PG – not by Jamal), we are going nowhere.
It’s that simple.
Right now we have JJ struggling mightily and Jamal playing horribly
It’s impossible to beat “serious” teams that way with the current rotation.
For me, Jordan C has proven to be deserving of ALL of Jamal’s minutes behind JJ.
Teague needs to step up or be moved.
Nonetheless the bottom line is simple:
We lost 5 games so far.
On all 5 losses but 1, we were “in the game” with 1 minute to play.
On all 5 losses we had players injured or severely limited.
Given JJ’s struggles, my guess is that we have been shorthanded since day 1, contrary to last year.
No need to panic, but what I mentioned above remains, IMO valid:
- Jamal out as soon as possible;
- Teague needs to step up;
ntrigue
November 21st, 2010
5:24 am
TToo me I’m not getting all emotional after this game but here’s my take on why we loss. #1 Coaching I like Drew but his rotation too night was off. Starting with sitting Al and Josh for extended mins when they both were playing well and not in foul trouble. Then when the 2nd unit was in and Dallas took the lead we should of went back to our 1st unit. But instead it took him forever to put back in. #2Jamal killed us I mean too me this was his worst gm of the season he kept shooting jump shots but kept missing I understand what he brings to the team but when he’s playing like that you gotta go with giving Jordan more tick especially if his shot is on! Mo, Marvin, Zaza, sucked tonite where was Josh Powell MC was he hurt? Not the end of the world Hawks fans let’s just regroup and get ready for the Celts on Mon! Got. A feeling that team for some reason plays betta with a packed house Hawks marketing needs to lower ticket prices and start getting more fans in here rooting for the home team!
Big Daddy
November 21st, 2010
6:08 am
4-14 with 1-6 for 3 pointers for a total of 11 points. JJ what’s up? People making half your salary are not shooting that badly. JC1 was 2-10 and 0-4 on 3 pointers. Hey, if you want people to think you are worth the money you want and that extended contract this is not the way to do it.
I am trying not to pile on what everyone else is saying but it is all true. The rotation was awful, Teague seemed intimidated, Marvin should have been put on the bench and too often I watched the ball being passed around on the perimeter with no one making cuts around or to the basket. LD should come into today’s shoot around with fire in his belly with the performance. Can one of the coaches please work with Zaza on catching passes in transition. He fumbles too many of them and tonight in critical situations.
I don’t know what play LD drew up for the last play but why didn’t JJ get the screen that he needed and if Chandler did get him on the switch, why didn’t someone come back to pick him off. It is not rocket science. These guys have been playing at least since middle school. That should be something they recognize in their sleep. Instead, they left JJ out there on Tyson and he did a real good job of denying JJ an open look and then making him take a bad shot. Still if someone had come back out and picked Chandler off even if his man switched it would not have been someone as big as him and him and JJ could probably have shot over him. When you have the biggest contract in the league people expect you to do better than 4-11 and 1-6 on 3 pointers. They also expect you to stick that shot at the end.
Ray
November 21st, 2010
7:32 am
Okay Josh and Horford have earned their money plus some, and I for one will now be quiet when Josh is taking those jumpers. Cause it has become easy to see he’s improved his game by what seems to be large leaps and bounds.
Jamal, Etan Thoams, Marvin Williams, and Zaza have earned themselves a spot on the trading block.
As for Teague haven’t seen enough yet to Judge ya’ll too quick to move the man, but give it some time I think he’ll be ok.
Jamillion
November 21st, 2010
8:08 am
I SEE IT LIKE THIS. LD HAS BEEN GIVING A BAD HAND, IN TERMS OF CIRCUMSTANCE. HE HAS TWO BONA FIDE STUDS IN THE FRONT COURT. PROBLEM IS THE HIGHLY OvER PAID ROBIN WHO WANTS TO BE BATMAN, AND WHOSE PAID LIKE BATMAN WONT SHARE THE BALL. AND JJ HAS NOT SHOWN UP BUT FOR ONE GAME ALL SEASON A LOST VS PHOENIX. LET ME GO ON RECORD AS SAYING WHEN THE HAWKS DRAFTED JORDAN, I SAID THEY NEED TO TRADE JJ. FOR JORDAN IS A REAL STUD AT THE 2, PLuS JJ IS NOT GOING TO BE WORTH WHATEVER WE GIVE HIM. THIS 3 CAPTAIN THING IS BLOWING UP IN YALL FACE, BUT NOT THE WAY YOU EXPECTED. THERE SHOULD ONLY BE ONE CAPTAIN ON THIS TEAM. AND HIS NAME IS JOSH.HE THE HEART AND AL THE MuSCLE -IF JOSH WAS CAPTAIN HE’LL BE BARKING AT HIS TEAMMATES .JJ DON’T CARE HE GOT HIS MONEY. JAMAL IS KILLING THIS TEAM ON PURPOSE MANAGEMENT HAS TO MAKE A MOVE. BUT L D CAN BUY HIMSELF SOME TIME BY SIMPLY SWITCHING HIS ROTATION. MOVE JJ TO THE 3, START JORDAN AT THE TWO. WE START OFF WITH NO LIABILITY IN OuR OFFENSE. EVERYBODY ON THE FLOOR CAN SCORE. THEN MAR
Section 303
November 21st, 2010
8:09 am
Some need to stop trying to rationalize and accept the fact that the Hawks are not a good team. How any other conclusion can be drawn, I have no idea.
This group of players have just been together too long. We see the same lazy effort every time they take the floor. Thank God that the Hawks have Al and Josh on their team. The only two players that bother to try.
I’m calling off my Joe Johnson truce. That guy is just another a$$hole who gets a big contract and then coasts. F him. Nothing like watching a $24-million dollar “superstar” shoot 20% when the team needs him most. Those f’ing idiots at ASG should each be kicked in the nuts for giving that clown his contract.
Jamal Crawford = terrible. All that needs to be said, really.
And, Larry Drew….how over one’s head can one guy be? You were going to “put the onus on the officials”? Really? I mean, f’ing reall?!! The Mavs were getting every call (and I mean EVERY call) and we’re going to put the “onus on the officials” late in the game? Umm…don’t do that, idiot.
Also, you can say what you want about the mistakes made by Jordan Crawford, Michael. But, at least he was trying. The fact he has sit even one minute behind a piece of crap like Jeff Teague makes me sick. Yeah, maybe he shouldn’t of threw the pass to Mo Evans (no one should throw a pass to Mo Evans). Maybe, he did get lost on D a few times (Was he along on that? Ummm…let me think….no!) But, to take out a guy giving a spark and reinserting Jamal Crawford for the last 5-6 minutes was a total debacle of a coaching move. Larry Drew, it helps if you watch the game! It does. Because, I watched the game, and I could clearly see that Jordan was the better Crawford last night.
And, guys, let’s just tell this like it is: Jeff Teague is a bad basketball player. He is terrible. He will always be terrible. Saying anything other than that is just wrong. He sucks.
The Hawks do not deserve the fans they have. They really don’t. Rick Sund needs to make a trade. Everyone but Al and Josh are on the table.
And, one last thing about Joe Johnson….I wish he would have went to the Knicks. Those people would chew him up and spit him out. Try telling the NYC public you could “careless” they show up. See how that changes your day. Johnson is a wannabe all star and a total piece of sh#t as a person. I wish he would have left.
JeJe.
November 21st, 2010
8:09 am
“It’s a tough loss. We still have work to do as a team.”
LOL does Horford say this after every loss?
And if I offended you with my comments about Smoove and sometimes Horford not boxing out, cry me a river. Especially Smoove. I have never seen a player put less effort into boxing out and going for a rebound. This guy has never boxed out a player in his life
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN: THIS TEAM PLAYS NO DEFENSE. THE OFFENSE IS STILL 1 ON 1. HORFORD DOES NOT GET THE BALL ENOUGH. JOE SCORED LESS POINTS THAN DESHAWN STEVENSON. LOL! BIBBY FREAKING FOULED DESHAWN ON A FADEAWAY JUMPER.
IDIOTS
JeJe.
November 21st, 2010
8:18 am
ANYONE WATCHING THE GAME COULD OBVIOUSLY SEE THIS IS NOW SMOOVE’S TEAM. HE IS NOW ALLOWED TO SHOOT FROM HALFCOURT ON EVERY POSSESSION.
NO DISCIPLINE AT ALL.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND JUST NOT START MARVIN? SOME PEOPLE ON HERE STILL LOOK AT HIS 2 FREAKING GOOD GAMEST HIS YEAR AND ACT LIKE THIS GUY IS ACTUALLY GOOD. THEY GUY IS TERRIFIED WHEN HE HAS THE BALL AND HAS TO MAKE A PLAY. IT TAKES PEOPLE CALLING HIM OUT JUST FOR HIM TO TRY.
JeJe.
November 21st, 2010
8:21 am
“We didn’t come out with the energy we needed,” Johnson said, “but we were able to get back in it.”
-Joe Johnson
LOL!!!!!!! Larry Drew said he would NOT let us not come in with energy. WE HAD 4 DAYS OFF. DALLAS TRAVELED FROM TEXAS AFTER A LOSS AND BEAT US ON OUR OWN HOMECOURT
This team should be ashamed. Drew said we settled for the perimeter – NO !#@$. HORFORD WAS BEASTING AND HE HAS TO GET OFFENSIVE BOARDS JUST TO GET SHOTS BECAUSE THIS WHOLE DAMN OFFENSE IS 1-ON-1 GARBAGE STILL
I AM DONE WITH THIS !@#$!@#!@#. FIRE DREW AND FIRE SUND AND SELL THE TEAM TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY’RE DOING
JeJe.
November 21st, 2010
8:22 am
HORFORD HAD 20 AND 20 AGAINST TYSON AND HAYWOOD. THAT IS DAMN IMPRESSIVE. YET HE GETS NO INVOLVEMENT ON OFFENSE
1) HE IS CLEARLY THE ONLY GUY ON THIS TEAM WHO WANTS TO WIN AND WHO TRIES 48 MINUTES A GAME
2) HE ACTUALLY HAS AN OFFENSIVE GAME NOW.
BUT LETS KEEP LETTING SMOOVE RUN THE OFFENSE AND WATCHING JOE GET OUTSCORED BY STEVENSON BECAUSE HE IS AN OVERPAID OVERRATED GARBAGE PLAYER
Joey
November 21st, 2010
8:43 am
“We fell prey to exactly what they wanted us to do.”
*************************
So, LD, why not call a timeout, and put players in who will do as instructed?
Kwa
November 21st, 2010
9:02 am
yes Drew and Jamal were HORRIBLE last night,
Drew should have BEEN yanked jamal’s funny shootin self OUT of the game
I have always been of the thought Jordan should be in the game MUCH more than he has been used thus far.
Jamal, Marvin, need to be traded, Zaza needs to be further down the bench, but collins is NO better
hawks are in deep sh.. right noiw.
but i can give a break to drew, he is still experimenting and learning what is and is not working, but his benefit of the doubt time is quickly running out.
Salvador Gonzalez
November 21st, 2010
9:04 am
I came from Dominican Republic to see the Dallas and Boston games.
It is very painful to see my countryman Al Horford’s effort (20-20-5)waisted on a game that besides him only Smoove (20-6-5)played with intensity.
The Hawks need to trade for better bench players.I think it was RAMON who suggested
to get from Sacramento Dalembert,my other countryman Francisco Garcia and Jason Thompson for Zaza,Crawford,Mo Evans,and a first draft pick.That would be a great improvement!
The team has been badly coached,anyway I never thought that Woodson’s assistant was going to be a lot better tham him!
Having said all this…..GO HAWKS!!!!
I hope we will do better on monday!!!
darrell starks
November 21st, 2010
9:13 am
Jamal need 2 get over his contract dispute and starte playing ball, and for all you fans hating on jamal, last year he was the best player on the team and now you scream bloody murder 13games into the season talking about trading him LOL.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 21st, 2010
9:23 am
The problem is not your jamal it’s marvin starting at the 3, 6years in the league and he continue 2 starte, what coach in there right mind like LD who have been a witness 2 marvin play would allow his performance over the past years 2 starte, if LD continue 2 drink marvin coolaid he will failed as a head coach.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
O'Brien
November 21st, 2010
9:25 am
8-0 against lottery teams, 0-5 against playoff teams, and 4 home losses already. Very disturbing trend.
Ken Strickland,
I’m not giving up on the hawks, so I need some more of that koolaid. Hook me up.
The truth,
I agree with some of your post about the lack of accountability as it relates to PT. I have not seen it.
darrell starks
November 21st, 2010
9:39 am
LD have 2 starte twin and put horford at his natural position and move josh 2 small forward, bibby have been playing great so far but starting teague will give you some one who can defend better at the point, plus bibby would make the bench stronger and hopefully marvin coming off the bench will improve his game and he can become the man with the second unit, and can some one tell me why powell is not playing with the second unit go figure.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
lukas
November 21st, 2010
9:58 am
D. Starks,
Co-sign your 9:23 am. Somebody has to realize that Marvin has received the time to develop and he hasn’t (and probably he doesn’t give a damn about developing). Bringing him from the bench could have a 2-face consecuence: or he wakes up and step up or he gets depressed and become the ultimate invisible man.
lukas
November 21st, 2010
10:04 am
Salvador,
Give LD time. He can’t change the team’s weak mindset overnight, mindset that Woddy help to build and solidify over 6 years.
terrell
November 21st, 2010
10:10 am
Stop hatin on the Hawks. Same record as most of your pre-season champion Miami Heat. It’s a long, long, season.
terrell
November 21st, 2010
10:11 am
With that said, when will LD take Marvin out of the starting 5? He’s pitiful. Bless his heart.
Eric
November 21st, 2010
10:14 am
Jeff Teague is a Acie Law clone.
Mike
November 21st, 2010
10:20 am
One big issue I had with Mike Woodson was that he never shook-up the line-up when it was clear that things were wrong, just hope L.D. doesn’t make the same mistake. Marvin Williams has never deserved to be in the starting line-up, and Jeff Teague should be third string behind Jordan Crawford.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:21 am
Easter – Eggs!
The Hawks are like a Cad-bury Chocolate Easter Egg!
Pretty, but Hollow!
Rufus1
November 21st, 2010
10:21 am
Simple Problem
Our #1 and #2 scores from last year are have very rough starts….That Simple!! LD puts them in situtations where they get WIDE OPEN SHOTS AND THEY ARE MISSING THEM!!!!
If anyone would have said Jamal and JJ would have such terrible starts to the season, I would have said you crazy.
THE BRIGHTSIDE
AL, JOSH AND JORDAN CRAWFORD.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:27 am
The Truth
“Maybe he attended the same party JJ attended and got caught-up in drinking too much booze or worst.”
Worse is the correct vernacular! IDK which is worse, the Hawks or your abuse of the english language! you can’t bash the team with that un-abashed grammar.
Check yourself before you wreck yourself! It drives me crazy when people complain and can’t spell!
mr hawks
November 21st, 2010
10:29 am
m. williams, zaza, teague, powell, has got to go. the hawks set on there butt and let the hornet pick up the point guard they needed. our bench is pitiful
Dave
November 21st, 2010
10:29 am
I heard some rumors that the Hawks were shopping Jeff Teague. They had him going to Detroit for Will Bynum, and one report said that Sacramento offered Jason Thompson. How do the Hawks keep getting busts at the point guard position, when there are so many good young points.
lukas
November 21st, 2010
10:30 am
NBA and NCAA should dictate that NBA-elegible players should be at least sophmores or have played 3 years overseas. That would prevent not ready, promising, but high-bust-risk players (MARVIN, Crittenton, Brandan Wright,ODEN, and the list goes on…) enter the draft.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:34 am
terrell – don’t call me Te-Relle!
“Stop hatin on the Hawks. Same record as most of your pre-season champion Miami Heat. It’s a long, long, season.”
God knows I love you man, but I don’t give a rats tail about The South Beach Boys!
Misery, does NOT love company! I don’t give a damn about nobody, but these Hawks … And, we suck higher than giraffe booty!
I hate this team as constructed, and have said so, since the last play off series! This team is exactly what Chris Webber said they are: PRETENDERS! There is no balance, whatsoever and we are top – loaded! Too many small players on the perimeter with no game and not enough SIZE in the paint!
We NEED a PG and a Center – damn-it!
We have NOT had either, since Mookie and Dikembe! Why does these GM’s continue to ignore the fundamental issues!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:38 am
Royalty!
Hell, I would take Royal Ivey over what we got! At least, he plays defense and doesn’t hurt his team>
Damn! I have better things to do and will not follow this ISH all season! IMA Get a LIFE!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:41 am
Shopping?
The Hawks need to SHOP their ownership group!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:44 am
Way TOO Early?
This team has been together for 6 years! Don’t tell me ISH about – It’s too early to tell what we got!
We Got:
A bunch of over-paid puzzys running around in Jock-Straps! They look like Trans-ves-tities impersonating Basketball Players! Puzzies shaving their beards!
Ray
November 21st, 2010
10:46 am
Bibby, Josh, Al, JT, Powell, Joe, JC2, and Moe
Can all stay everyone else must GTFO just saying lol.
Those players actually bring the energy when needed. Actually expand that list to include Zaza as well Yeah I know what people, but until we find a Dwight Howard somewhere in the next couple of years we need him.
I want Haywood and Caron Butler for JC1 and Thomas or Collins(maybe not don’t know yet).
As for Jeff Teague why all the hate I’m starting to believe it’s more hate on ASG then it is Teague itself because ASG got Marvin over CP3. Again who was to say CP3 turned out the way he has in NO.
terrell
November 21st, 2010
10:46 am
Mary B, this time last year we were killin Woody for wearing out the starters. At least LD is using more than 6 players to figure out what works and what doesn’t. That’s what you supposed to do this early in the season. JJ isnt used to sharing the ball, Teague and Collins isnt used to playing AT ALL. Just trying to be a little patient,that’s all.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:47 am
Al Horford
Josh Smith
Jordan Crawford
That’s what we got?
Fck that!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:49 am
terrell – don’t call me Te-Relle!
My patience is Gone like the Hawks!
This town, These fans – We deserve a WINNER! We don’t NEED no Losers!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:53 am
Wearing out the Starters?
The Starters are wearing out the Bank!
They haven’t played since Tuesday and can’t bring energy to a defeat team that lost to Chicago on a back-to-back without Carlos Boozer?
Who is wearing out who? These fans are hard working, every-day people with no jobs and disposable income. Basketball is for entertainment purposes only! To take our minds off our REALproblems! How is not showing up to collect a 10.8M dollar paycheck – stressfull? Jamal?
Who the hell does this guy think he is? Obama?
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:54 am
Ray!
“I want Haywood and Caron Butler for JC1 and Thomas or Collins(maybe not don’t know yet).
As for Jeff Teague why all the hate I’m starting to believe it’s more hate on ASG then it is Teague itself because ASG got Marvin over CP3. Again who was to say CP3 turned out the way he has in NO.”
STFU!
Section 303
November 21st, 2010
10:55 am
I’m not about to “stop hattin’” on the Hawks….by the way, the “stop hattin’” craze these days just shows how p#ssy our society has become. Anytime you point out a fact, like Joe Johnson sucks, you be “hattin’”. Well lump me in the “hattin’” group.
Here is another rant…..I am sick of Zaza hugging and kissing on every visiting player. That guy has become the biggest piece of Euro-sh#t in the league. I would love to see him go try and hug on the Celtics when they get to town on Monday. They’ll punch him in the face.
Time to blow this team up. Other than Josh, Al….I guess there is no one else, really….we have nothing.
And, to all the Joe Johnson lovers out there…answer me this question…what game have we won this year because of him? You know, for $24 million, you kind of expect some things. Like…winning games for the team. What game have we won because of him? I can point to several we lost because of him, but none we have won.
Ray
November 21st, 2010
10:57 am
@ DrmaryB
Seems someone has their panties in a twist.
You hate this team as constructed then what would you do different huh? you’ve been complaining so far like a little kid. You actually listen to Chris Webber GTFO!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:58 am
Section 303
Enthusiastic Co-Sign!
Eff these Biatches! Send this whole team packing!
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
10:59 am
Ray!
I already told you what to do and where to go!
Sautee
November 21st, 2010
11:00 am
Dave,
Not defending Teague at all, as I think he’s not ready for Prime Time yet, BUT….
If he’s a bust why did Sac. try to trade for him?
Ray
November 21st, 2010
11:01 am
@Drmaryb you never told me anything so you can take that somewhere else.
You still haven’t answer the question what would you do Mrs. Arm chair coach? With this team.
bigdave
November 21st, 2010
11:02 am
“Until we get 20/25 minutes of steady PG production behind Bibby (by a real PG – not by Jamal), we are going nowhere.”
Hallelujah!!!!
as far as the zone.. i think the coaches had the right concepts in place and prepared.. its just that players were hesitant in attacking it. they looked dazed and confused. particularly the 2nd unit. Jeff just deferred to Jamal and settled.. Jamal pump faking on passes to open cutters even after coach inserting Josh with the group. its a phantom defense.. you just have to trust in ball movement and have the SKILL to make accurate passes.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
11:05 am
Trade – Machine!
As a fan, I don’t have to fix this team and make trades! But, what I can do is tell you – We need a PG and Center! If there is a GM on this payroll? Let his Azz figure it out! I pay to watch a play and It is NOT my interest to construct a team! I’m NOT paid to do that, but I will tell you this:
I got better things to do with my MONEY, than to watch this ISH!
Aye Sund! Do your Job!
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
November 21st, 2010
11:06 am
“I’m not about to “stop hattin’” on the Hawks….by the way, the “stop hattin’” craze these days just shows how p#ssy our society has become. Anytime you point out a fact, like Joe Johnson sucks, you be “hattin’”. Well lump me in the “hattin’” group.”
What KIND of hat?
Bowler? Top Hat? Cowboy?
Dave
November 21st, 2010
11:08 am
Sautee, why did Golden State give us Jamal for Acie Law??? Maybe to clear cap space in the future, or maybe Sacramento and Golden State are just lousy organizations that don’t know what they are doing.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
11:08 am
Ray!
I have been posting for Four Years! You can go and read the archives IF you don’t know me by now!
I told you to STFU – and you still talking?
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
11:14 am
I don’t give a damn who is on this team! Get us some Winners in this building! I will watch Shrek and Donkey IF they can play Basketball! I don’t care is they are 2 feet tall and look like azz, IF they can ball!
Ray
November 21st, 2010
11:19 am
@drmaryb
So what that you’ve been on here for Four years I’ve been here for 10 years posting under different names. It still doesn’t help the fact that you’re just complaining, and can’t come up with a solution to the problem the hawks are having.
Yeah we need a PG and C, but also need more than that. As we can now see we need help at the SF position. Personally only the PF and SG positions are locked down. Truthfully only the SG is the locked down position depending on who you ask.
We already know we need to move Al back to PF and get a legit 6-11 to 7-1 guy in here to clog the lane.
Again with Jeff Teague he needs time just like Collins as someone else stated last season they barely played any games.
I’m going to stop this argument cause it’s pointless.
Mantis
November 21st, 2010
11:21 am
I have to wonder if Rick Sund is intentionally running this team into the ground.
Jordan Crawford is obviously a gem. He could evolve into the next Dwayne Wade. He is an aggressive and able scorer, but Larry Drew lets him ride the bench during games where he could be getting invaluable experience for later on in the season. If I were the Hawks management, I would have hyped Jordan up during the preseason and gave him plenty of minutes. He has not disappointed, and the Hawks would have been better off depending on him, while perusing real big men in the off season, than signing Joe Johnson with the NBA’s biggest contract of the 2010 offseason.
Why did we let Byron Scott and Avery Johnson get away? Why did we even bother to interview them in the first place, if we were just going to recycle one of Mike Woodson’s lieutenants… and then act surprised when he makes the exact same mistakes that we complained about when Woodson was coach?
Craig
November 21st, 2010
11:27 am
Jeff Teague needs time just like Acie Law needed time, right. Acie is currently riding the pine in Memphis.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
11:31 am
Ray!
IF you have been posting for ten years under different names, then that says it All!
I have one name and IF you knew me? I never complain! I support this team and state facts!
I have not posted since the Summer and have mad my first assessment after 13 games, I was going to wait until 20 games to render an opinion!
but, I have already seen enough! I am not the Trade Machine on this blog! We got Gran-Daddy for that! My role is well defined on this blog and my opinions are JUST that – Opinions!
The real bloggers on here, know me and understand my value. If you don’t? Then, that just about sums it up! Now, stop bothering me and just go away! I could care less what your opinion of me is!
Craig
November 21st, 2010
11:38 am
Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry, Tyreke Evans, Darren Collison, and Ty Lawson were all point guards in the same draft as Jeff Teague. They are all taking the NBA by storm, why do the Hawks keep strewing this up???
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
11:41 am
Slipping Gears!
On the road – We play like we’re at home.
At home – We play like we’re on the road.
This team transmission is in Reverse!
ILL-Logical
November 21st, 2010
11:42 am
Two points:
1. The narrative about the last shot by Joe missed an important element; if Joe had actually tried to draw the foul by getting Chandler in the air an initiating the contact,the game could have gone into overtime based on Joe making the three free throws.
2. Josh outscored the future Hall of Famer in a head to head match up( while spending some time guarding Chandler and breaking up at least 2 alley oop attempts ).
ASA’s 20 rebounds was a major factor as well as the 3 blocked shots.
lewis
November 21st, 2010
11:47 am
Forgot to mention,
Al Horford is a beast.
Section 303
November 21st, 2010
11:49 am
Craig, it’s amazing, isn’t it? The organization just cannot get it right. I have to cringe every time I hear Rick Sund say “I don’t watch much college basketball.” Gee…couldn’t tell. Factor that into having no eye for talent and it is not hard to see why the Hawks are the Hawks.
Jeff Teague sucks, though. I will hear no arguement against that.
ILL-Logical
November 21st, 2010
11:54 am
Two points:
1.If Joe had actually had tried to draw the foul against Chandler , the opportunity to tie the game at the free throw line would have made a come back would have been much easier. Instead, we got a iso Joe ,off balance heave that had no chance to go in.
2.Josh outscored the future Hall of Famer head to head AND split time guarding Chandler and broke up at least alley oop attempts to him above the rim.
ILL-Logical
November 21st, 2010
12:00 pm
Two additional points about the game:
1.If Joe had actually tried to draw a foul call on his three point attempt, he could have had the opportunity to send the game into overtime at the foul line.ASA’s poor hand off not withstanding.
2. Josh outscored the future Hall of Famer head to head while also spending time guarding Chandler and breaking up two attempted alley oops to him at the rim.
Rod from College Park
November 21st, 2010
12:00 pm
Jamal Crawford has a couple of bad games, and he should be traded. (LOL). After one game, Jordon Crawford is better than Jamal (LOL). The problem with the Hawks, as I have said for the past 3 years, is the bum that starts at the 3, Marvin Williams. Why not just start every game with 4 players instead of 5. We would do just as good, because Marvin brings nothing every game. Woodson is at home watching games on tv because he put his faith in Marvin, and Drew will be in the same position, if he does not figure it out soon.
northcyde
November 21st, 2010
12:04 pm
We’ve lost 5 of the last 7. Lose to Boston, that’ll be 6 of the last 8 . . putting us at 8 – 6.
After Boston, these are our next 6 games:
@ NJ
WAS
@ NY
@ TOR
MEM
PHI
In two weeks, this team could conceivably be 14 – 6 . . . but still be a “fools’s gold” type team because our best win would’ve been @ Cleveland. More than likely, you’re talking 12 – 8.
The Hawks had a dream type schedule handed to them to start the season. Really, all they had to do was take care of business at home, and they could’ve posted a huge record.
But with us already being 8 – 5, it means this team has little margin for error. This team is at the point now in which it can’t afford to have a bad game vs a bad team.
Unless this team really starts to gel, we’re not going to post much better than a .500 record in December. So however many games we’re over .500 at the end of November, will probably be equal to the same number of games we’re over .500 at the end of December.
KevinM
November 21st, 2010
12:05 pm
I just can’t believe that Teague could only get 3.5 minutes last night after 4 days off. Really?
I don’t see LD doing things much differently than Woody to be honest……Marvin, 26 min, 6pts, 1reb…really?
There’s not much more to question any more…..like Coach Dennis Green says “They were who we think they were!” There are no surprises on this team.
drmaryb
November 21st, 2010
12:16 pm
KevinM
“Nuff – Said”
Eric
November 21st, 2010
12:18 pm
L.D. said when he took over this team that he wanted Jeff Teague to take the starting position from Bibby, and he has given him every opportunity to do so. People may hate on Bibby, but if he goes down this team is in a world of hurt.
Samuel
November 21st, 2010
12:19 pm
How can you use a #1 pick on a guard that can’t shoot. It’s truely amazing how some of these guys land jobs. I mean, one of the first things anybody who knows anything whatsoever about basketball does when they evaluate a player is assess their ability to shoot. After all, that is the name of the game right. Especially at guard. Dude is getting worse. He looks scared to death. He’s relieved when he draws iron. LOL!!
I predicted that this team would finish in the 6-8 slot and get beat by either Boston, Miami or orlando in the 1st round. They seem to be on track for that.
LD has been saying all the right things to this point. Let’s see how he handles adversity.
northcyde
November 21st, 2010
12:20 pm
@ Craig . . . Acie’s contract is only guaranteed through December 8th. There are strong rumors out of Memphis that he’ll be let go when that date comes. Last I saw, Acie was averaging 1 point and 1 assist, and was shooting something like 15% FG.
I’ll keep saying this:
“If you can ball . . you can ball.”
Craig
November 21st, 2010
12:27 pm
northcyde, thanks for making my point. The Hawks thought Acie Law was going to be the point guard for the future of this team. He’s been moved like four times since the Hawks traded him to Golden State, I just see the same thing happening to my boy Teague.
Ray
November 21st, 2010
12:31 pm
@ drmaryb
my last post talking about how I’d been here 10 years was just an example. Because I am actually new member. Still with that said everyone on here is complaining without providing many solutions. There are some that are, but saying we need a PG and C isn’t a solution. Cause we could get Hasheem Thabeet or Greg Oden ship away Marvin to Portland or Memphis.
What do we get in return a Project C and a Super bust in G. Oden. Just saying.
Depending on how this game goes Monday night will tell the real tale of the how the hawks will fair this year. This is a team we sweep last year the mighty Boston Celtics who got to the Championship. If we can’t beat them then our chances of even being a 5 or 6 seed will slip badly we may wound up in 8th. Which would truly be the worse thing ever that means were back at square 3.
Square 1 means 13 win season and Square 2 would be the next season with only 26 wins.
Hill
November 21st, 2010
12:35 pm
Craig, I feel you on Teague. When Bibby is in the game the offense flows, and when Teague gets in he just dribbles the shot clock down and defers to Joe or Jamal. He plays like he’s scared of something, you got to be a beast in the NBA.
sam'l
November 21st, 2010
12:46 pm
Basically, you’ve got the same team as last year, and last year’s team was a good team except there was no coach.. So, you should be able to expect good results. At least Drew appears to understand something’s not right.
The team reflects its host city, Atlanta,, and the nonstop gangsta “blogging” bears this out. No cohesion. No intellect. Flashy emotional blasts leading nowhere.. Give me what I want or I’ll throw a tantrum. Add on 100% inflation and you’ll have Hotlanta soon enough. .
Sigh…Pachulia needs a good pair of hands. Teague needs a brain tranplant, preferably Rondo’s.
I’m a total Jamal fan. But if he’s screwing up on purpose, I’d return the favor. Sit him down. Don’t trade him. Don’t allow him in the huddle. Just put him on the bench to showcase his product.
Las Vegas Hawks? Seattle Hawks?…Hey, that sound’s good,…….
I.MUS WRITE
November 21st, 2010
12:49 pm
SO we only beat sunpar teams huh? SO we havent posted a win against a legit playoff team huh?
Observations:
Josh Smith has become our best player-PERIOD!!!
His shot is much improved this year and so far he should be a starting All Star in Feb. Yes over Amare and Bosh
Jamal is a good player but when his shot is off he does nothing to help the team.
Al is a stud- He is becoming Karl Malon like (Jumper-leadership)
Why did we leave Bibby on the bench so long in the 4th-only to allow jamal to fire away,brick after brick. he should have been yanked earlier.
Let's Be Real
November 21st, 2010
12:55 pm
Worst case scenario the Hawks finish no worst than 6th(The only teams capable of passing them is the Bulls and the Bucks). Best case scenario Hawks finish 3rd(Doc likes to rest his old guys in the regular season, Boston in 4th). Bottom line the Hawks are deep and talented, they do have two weak links(Marvin & Teague) L.D. has to make the right moves with the line-up.
Alsandair
November 21st, 2010
1:01 pm
Joe Johnson sucks !!! He’s not a big time scorer & all he wants to do is pass.Why in the Hell did they give him all that money?
i_am_soulstar
November 21st, 2010
1:03 pm
1) Is it time for a trade yet?
2) What in the hell is wrong w/ Joe?
3) Note to Hawks: Horford is shooting 65%, get this man more touches!!!!
David
November 21st, 2010
1:08 pm
Rumor mill has Caron Butler on the block, Marvin for Caron??? Get Teague out of here, and get a quality proven point. Keep Jamal, ladies and gentlemen he just wants to get paid he’ll be alright.
Ray
November 21st, 2010
1:18 pm
@ David Jamal may want to get paid, but you got to play like you want to be paid.
Right now he’s playing like a pile of **** so he doesn’t deserve any money this will be the one and only time I defend ASG lol.
KevinM
November 21st, 2010
1:27 pm
Watching the replay of the game……you get the Hawks in a 1/2 court game with no running, your chances are good…lots of standing around on defense watching the ball go in the basket.
David
November 21st, 2010
1:30 pm
Ray, you ever heard the saying “you pay to play”, just ask Carmelo. You think he’s giving 100% for Denver. Maybe it’s me, but I don’t think the Hawks get anything worth the value if they traded Crawford. Marvin, Yes!!!
lewis
November 21st, 2010
1:45 pm
release my posts
Grandad
November 21st, 2010
1:49 pm
I posted this trade proposal a few days ago.
*[must wait until Dec 15th]
Sac gets:
Joe Johnson & Jeff Teague
ATL gets:
Tyreke Evans & Sam Dalembert *(exp contract)
*(in order to re-sign Jamal)
Right now I’m making no bones about my feelings
concerning Joe Johnson.
If ‘drmaryb’ is correct about Jamal then Sund owes
it to him to re-sign the man.
This is Josh & Al’s Team !
Joe cannot handle that fact.
Jamal can.
O'Brien
November 21st, 2010
1:50 pm
Samuel,
Teague shot the ball well enough in college, and he even played some off-guard at times. But for some reason, he is playing scared. And Woody is not an excuse for us bloggers anymore. Teague just isnt taking advantage of his opportunity. but there’s still time.
terrell,
Wade has missed time for the Heat, and they have a completely different team that they have to figure out the Chemistry. Plus both Wade and Lebron needs the ball, so there will be some adjustment.
How long have these Hawks been together? 3 years? I understand that we’re learning a new motion offense. But that should not stop them from rebounding and playing defense.
Learning a new motion offense should not stop them from playing aggressive and playing with energy.
IMO, Hawks have no excuses. They’re just not getting the job done.
The good thing, is its still early. I’m sure LD went off on them after the game last night, so it will be interesting to see how they respond against Boston, a team they swept 4-0 last year.
cp
November 21st, 2010
1:53 pm
I’m sorry but I’m not buying this they need time to gel.. How long has this group been together? If they cant get it done by now then they never will. LD talked about accountability before the season started yet I haven’t seen any of it… He is looking like Woodrow on the sideline…How does Marvin continue to start? What does he do that helps this team because I don’t see it…. If you don’t see Marvin on the court with your own eyes you would have sworn he wasn’t even playing because he does nothing out there…….People its time to stop with Teague needs the time excuse..LD has given him every chance possible and he has done nothing with it…..He is passive, cant shoot , and the offense stalls when he comes in…I wonder if LD will pull another Woody type move and sit JC2 in the next game instead of getting him some minutes………..Sund needs to make some moves.. Jamal is pouting and hurting the team out there.. ZaZa is terrible. The whole bench is terrible..
O'Brien
November 21st, 2010
2:05 pm
Rod,
Jamal is a better player than Jordan. However, when Jamal comes into the game, he tends to do his own thing, and this throws the team offense off, while he goes ISOs. Plus his defense is horrible.
I agree that Marvin is being Marvin, so if Jamal is traded, we could bring in another SF to push marvin (Prince for example), and potentially take his starting spot.
But Marvin has very little trade value, whereas Jamal has a $10 mil expiring contract.
Grandad,
Just because Jamal can handle this being Al and Josh’s team does not mean he should be resigned, and definitely not as a starter.
Do you really want Jamal playing 35 mpg as the starting SG? Have you seen his defense? Does he look like he has bought into LD’s system?
Big Boi
November 21st, 2010
2:13 pm
Well stated cp, I’m starting to think a higher power is involved in this Marvin Williams thing. Marvin is nothing more than a sixth man. At least I can say Mo is a better defender than Marvin. With Teague it’s simply frustrating to see guys like John Wall who’s been in the league all but 1 to 2 months mop the floor with the likes of a guy like Jeff Teague!!! Think he still needs more time???
Grandad
November 21st, 2010
2:20 pm
O’Brien
Actually Tyreke & Bibby would start if that trade were realized.
Jamal would reamain 6th man. Everything would remain the same ‘cept
for Tyreke flipping places with Joe. SD would pick up rotation
minutes. Tyreke would play some [1] & [2] as would Jamal & bibby.
Tyreke would defend the [1] more often, in place of Teague.
I would also attempt to trade Marv for Battier’s exp giving us greater
roster flexibility. Just some random thoughts.
Grandad
November 21st, 2010
2:23 pm
Bibby with a capital “b”
Keeping It Real
November 21st, 2010
2:34 pm
Sacramento is dumb, but I don’t think they are that dumb to trade away Tyreke Evans for anybody right now. Can you say Pipe Dream!!!
Section 303
November 21st, 2010
2:36 pm
Grandad, I’m with ya’. Any move that involves Joe Johnson leaving town I’m all for! What a mistake to re-sign that guy. It amazes me that so many come to his defense. The guy is just counting money.
To me…Joe Johnson showed his true colors with his “I could careless” comments to the fans. He’s no leader. Just a wannabe superstar. Get him on the next flight out of town.
Keeping It Real
November 21st, 2010
2:40 pm
I just saw ESPN last night and every night, and Tyreke Evans shows flashes of a player who’s headed for greatness. Did you see the top 10 plays on ESPN, he’s on it!!!
northcyde
November 21st, 2010
2:40 pm
Grandad . . now you know that Sac would never do a trade like that. Tyreke is essentially a young JJ, and Dalembert is a huge expiring contract.
Blame your boy Sund for not adequately upgrading the bench over the summer.
Seriously . . knowing what we know now, who would be against signing Shaq . . or even trading Marvin to Cleveland to get Shaq?
Didn’t sign Shaq.
Didn’t want Chill.
Traded a pick for money.
Signed 3 players that NO ONE ELSE wanted.
Thank the Lord for the easy schedule.
O'Brien
November 21st, 2010
3:07 pm
Grandad, Section 303
If you were Sacramento, would you trade away your ROY stud (Tyreke) who is only going to get better, and is still on a cheap contract, for a guy who will make $124 mil for the next 6 years?
And not only would they be picking up JJ’s huge contract, Sac would be getting rid of Dalembert’s expiring contract.
I’m a fan of JJ, but no way would I (or Sac) do that deal.
I think ASG made the right move in re-signing JJ. If he leaves, we start Jamal at SG, and maybe bring Chills back. But thats all the salary cap space we would have. And does anybody want Jamal playing 35 mpg as the starter?
My only gripe with resigning JJ was the 6th year. But I understand its all about supply and demand. The Bulls and Knicks were offering him 5 years, so the Hawks offerred 6 to make sure he sticks around.
I think JJ will get back to the old JJ though. I’m not worried about him. His history suggests he will get back on track eventually.
If we can work out a deal with Sacramento involving Jamal and Dalembert, then I’m all for it.
northcyde
November 21st, 2010
3:35 pm
And that’s the move to make . . . Jamal for Samuel. You get a big who can defend and rebound, plus block shots.
Offensively, you let Teague and Jordan see if they can play together better than Teague and Jamal. People keep saying that Teague can’t play with Jamal, and would be a better player without him, so that would give you a chance to see if it’s true or not.
Sund won’t make a move though. And the ASG wouldn’t dare let him add a multi-year contract in place of a Jamal trade.
JeJe.
November 21st, 2010
3:35 pm
NO REBOUNDING = NO DEFENSE = WE ARE 5TH BEST IN EAST
FIRE SUND
CAN’T BEAT MILWAUKEE OR DALLAS ON THEIR 2ND OF B2B AT HOME
LOL 4 HOME LOSSES
The Truth
November 21st, 2010
3:52 pm
drmaryb
“Check yourself before you wreck yourself! It drives me crazy when people complain and can’t spell!”
Thanks for calling that out but the word worst was not misspelled. OK you perhaps thought it was misused. When I’m upset and it’s very late (2:56 AM) with a few too many drinks naturally that makes for a bad combination. Or if I’m rushed for something more important, I will just post a draft since this is only a blog and certainly not a formal article. But if we are going to go there with the formal dance then consider this:
I think you are a bit overly picky considering the words worst and worse can be tricky words even with a sober state of mind.
Use ‘worse’ if you’re comparing two things: “I think eggplant is worse than squash, but that’s just my opinion.”
Use ‘worst’ if you’re comparing multiple things: “I disagree. Eggplant and boiled cabbage are both vile, but squash is the worst!”
Apparently, your attempt at my grammar correction was based on your assumption that in my quote:
“Maybe he attended the same party JJ attended and got caught-up in drinking too much booze or worst.”
I was comparing two things, Jamal drinking too much booze and one other thing (Jamal was doing), in that case, the use of the word “worse” is correct as you pointed out. That would be a fair assumption on your part. But what if I had multiple things in mind when I made that quote (which I did) such as booze, women, drugs and his poor performance was the worst? Remember, I am the creator of that quote, not you. Is this an OJ rush to judgment thing? Yes, I admit I was sleepy and overly comfy and didn’t bother to expand the sentence with all the details for clarity but again, this is only a blog and I think you got my drift. You will be over worked and under paid if you aspire to be the grammar queen traffic cop on this blog not just with others but also yourself.
Big Ump
November 21st, 2010
3:57 pm
Enter your comments here
Big Ump
November 21st, 2010
3:58 pm
drmaryb
You on a roll baby. I love it.
Alsandair
November 21st, 2010
4:49 pm
Trade Joe Johnson ASAP!!!!!!!!!! Fire Sund for giving him that deal.
O'Brien
November 21st, 2010
5:08 pm
northcyde,
I think the trade to make after December 15th, (if Sacramento is willing), is Jamal and ZaZa for Dalembert and their backup SF Antoine Wright.
Why would Sacramento do it?
Jamal is instant offense off the bench for them, and would help take the load of Tyreke Evans. Plus they still get an expiring to replace Dalembert’s expiring. And ZaZa provides cheap affordable help at Center while Sacramento waits for Cousins to develop.
Why would ATL do it?
They get a more athletic big who rebounds and blocks shots better than ZaZa, and they get rid of Jamal, opening up more PT for Jordan.
Plus by getting Antoine Wright, Mo Evans can share the backup SG role with Jordan.
Ray
November 21st, 2010
5:17 pm
I want to see Teague and Jordan Crawford on the floor at the same time. I remember a game when the two were in it they had good chemistry it was one we lost, but still they tired very hard.
Every time they put Jamal and Teague in the game I get the feeling JC1 is bullying Teague into giving him the ball. That’s just my opinion.
Ramon
November 21st, 2010
5:27 pm
O’Brien, I would do that trade. I would ask for them to include Thompson though, that would make the salaries match more. But I would definitely do that trade, right now if I could.
Ramon
November 21st, 2010
5:28 pm
Ray, I think the game you’re talking about was the Milwaukee game where they played the entire fourth quarter together.
Ramon
November 21st, 2010
5:29 pm
Why do I get the feeling that someone is about to get in a fight during practice. And I have a feeling JC1 is going to be involved.
Clyde
November 21st, 2010
5:38 pm
*yawns*
lukas
November 21st, 2010
5:42 pm
JJ’s contract is untradeable, kinda like agent zero. Thakns to that contract, if the Hawks want to win they’ll have to go over the luxury cap.
Prison Mike
November 21st, 2010
6:16 pm
– This was the fourth straight game Zaza was just kind of out there. It’s perplexing because he had been productive and energetic.
How hard is it to see that zsa zsa is horrendous. 1 out 5 good games ain’t cutting it around here.
Jeff Foster for zsa and Mo Evans.
Prison Mike
November 21st, 2010
6:25 pm
“Every time they put Jamal and Teague in the game I get the feeling JC1 is bullying Teague into giving him the ball. That’s just my opinion.”
I’m seeing that too, teague can’t be assertive with all these big money guys “bullying” him to pass them the ball. But at the end of the day it’s teague’s and drew’s problem.
Ray
November 21st, 2010
6:42 pm
@ Prison mike
” I’m seeing that too, teague can’t be assertive with all these big money guys “bullying” him to pass them the ball. But at the end of the day it’s teague’s and drew’s problem.”
This is why Jamal needs to be traded fast he’s already made it known he doesn’t care if he doesn’t have the money.
The reason I keep pushing for a trade with Dallas is they said they need someone with Jamal’s skills I’ve heard that some where before. If we do trade with Sac then I’m for that too, but I’d rather have Haywood and Caron Butler.
Samuel
November 21st, 2010
7:20 pm
teague just doesn’t have it guys. If you’re a player you play. Every NBA team has “big money” players, especially at the glamor position, the 2 guard. Teague gives the ball up because he’s not confident in his shot, nor are his team mates. Basically, his upside is a healthy Speedy. Nothing more.
nique
November 21st, 2010
7:23 pm
was that what LD’s motion offense is supposed to look like? it seemed pretty similar to Woddy’s, and that’s not a good thing. how about starting to run the offense more through Al while JJ is struggling a bit? Al’s shooting 64% or so, get him the ball.
rusty
November 21st, 2010
7:32 pm
drmaryb gosh i agreed with a lot you are saying. i did not like woody as a coach & seemed to think ld was doing all of the right things. i am starting to doubt him unfortunely. first i dont think he is using teague right. he needs to use teague to replace bibby, not jc1. jc1 is not a point guard & it is known that jj & jc1 can not play well together. he needs to sit jj azz down when he is not hitting his shots. when jj is not making shots his whole game drops several notches down. i never see him trying to run a fast break or driving hard to the basket. he still tends to hold on to the ball to long & dribbles way to much. well this is just how the man always plays. he really never dives for balls, most of his assists are not great passes but giving the ball to some one with the time running out. he is also not a great clutch player. i really never could figure out why every body thought he was so great. ld certainly should be giving a hell of a lot more playing time to jc2 as he played great in the summer & preseason., every one should be able to see that he will be a star if we dont fk him up like we did with teague. teague needs more time & to be played more smartly. if he dont make it here he probably will some where else. marvin should not be starting but coming off the bench. smith & horford have been playing great & need to get more shots. zazza is just horrible & mo will never be much better. jc2 has to be better utilized & be giving a clear role. ld has to look at the game situation
& sub better. he needs to play smith & horford more, not taking them out of the game for long stretches.
truly1
November 21st, 2010
7:33 pm
Yes I agree that is why we need to trade jamal crawford all problems are fixed because then LD cant play Jamal that opens up 30 minutes of time to give to teague and Jordan crawford
lewis
November 21st, 2010
7:33 pm
i’m cool on caron butler
rusty
November 21st, 2010
7:35 pm
Enter your comments here
rusty
November 21st, 2010
7:40 pm
i meant to say jc1 needs to used smarter not jc2
Who are the Real Hawks?
November 21st, 2010
7:41 pm
Dang, that’s not good for the Hawks. Boston played IN Toronto tonight (meaning they have back-to-back road/road games) AND they’ve lost 2 in a row.
The Hawks, who cannot beat contenders, might be in some big trouble come tomorrow night. Or who knows maybe this is the game they start to turn it around! (sarcasm?)
rusty
November 21st, 2010
7:42 pm
i meant jc1 has to be better utilized not jc2
rusty
November 21st, 2010
7:45 pm
i dont know what the hell the blog monster is doing
Section 303
November 21st, 2010
7:50 pm
So, about tomorrow night. There is some good news and bad news.
Good news: Rajon Rondo is probably out with a hamstring injury.
Bad news: Nate Robinson, noted Hawk killer, will start in his place.
Hawks will get their heads kicked in tomorrow. I’m calling 30 pts for Nate Robinson. Hawks can’t guard him.
Sautee
November 21st, 2010
7:58 pm
Samuel,
You said: “Teague gives the ball up because he’s not confident in his shot, nor are his team mates. Basically, his upside is a healthy Speedy. Nothing more.”
LOL. A healthy Speedy might have saved Woody’s job, but now you think that’s some kind of insult to compare Teague to him.
Samuel, get real. If Teague can produce like a healthy Speedy when he was the 7th PG drafted, then we’re getting about what one would expect.
Nothing more.
truly1
November 21st, 2010
8:03 pm
If you read this blog you would think Jeff teague and Marvin williams lost this game which is not the case. They didnt get enough opportunities to do that. LD needs to force them to take more shots and take shots away from other guys mainly Joe and Jamal until they heat up.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 21st, 2010
8:15 pm
“The team reflects its host city, Atlanta,, and the nonstop gangsta “blogging” bears this out. No cohesion. No intellect. Flashy emotional blasts leading nowhere.. Give me what I want or I’ll throw a tantrum. Add on 100% inflation and you’ll have Hotlanta soon enough. . ”
Did you smoke some crack before you typed that? What the hell is any of that supposed to mean?
Ray
November 21st, 2010
8:31 pm
@ truly1 that’s the thing about Marvin he’s so invisible he doesn’t really affect the outcome of the game.
I can agree with he needed to take more shots. That game was lost because of JC1 taking too many shots plus LD for not subbing him out, and letting him play so long.
JC was ice cold on that floor even though he hit two shots he was cold.
JeJe.
November 21st, 2010
8:45 pm
The thing is, Marvin is invisible during the game. And he likes being that way. He is that awkward guy at the social who does not want to be noticed. He is just stealing paychecks from this team
Grandad
November 21st, 2010
10:13 pm
nc
When did Sund become “my boy”?
That’s insulting.
I won’t hold it against you.
cdog
November 21st, 2010
11:57 pm
the hawks won’t win until they get a quality general manager and head coach.rick sund will continue to be a loser as long as the hawks keeps him employed
Melvin
November 22nd, 2010
12:34 am
“Ryan McNeill: Colangelo also said that the team would look into a trade or buyout if Peja Stojakovic doesn’t like his role here in Toronto. Twitter”
If the Raps buyout Peja, would you guys like to see him in a Hawks uniform? Could be a cheap signing to play backup SF or bring Marvin off the bench and in defensive situations…
Najeh Davenpoop
November 22nd, 2010
1:28 am
“If the Raps buyout Peja, would you guys like to see him in a Hawks uniform? ”
Peja is a one trick pony who is an even bigger defensive liability than anyone currently on the Hawks’ bench. If the Hawks are going to go after someone, it needs to be someone who will give them toughness and shore up the D, and Peja does neither.
vava74
November 22nd, 2010
3:38 am
Marvin was AWOL during most of the game but he got 2 buckets, 1 assist and several good defensive possessions against Nowitski during the 4th quarter.
He worked well to close his showing.
My take is that even when he is not operating on offense, he brings length and defensive cohesion and should PLAY ALWAYS to close the 4th quarter.
EmirS.
November 22nd, 2010
4:19 am
What are you kidding me?
I can’t believe….13 games into the season and you guys are wanting JJ traded. Seriously, get back to the drawing board. You can TELL he is not healthy, not himself, completely off for the time being. Yet I think he’s averaging just over 18 ppg. Stop worrying about the dude.
And what really frustrates me, is that almost everyone on this blog is jumping on JJ, yet the minute that Smoove or Al fall into a slump, you guys will be yelling for them to get traded or kicked out of Atlanta. Or claiming you we’re right in the offseason about them, while your praising them today.
So to quote northcyde:
“If you can ball . . you can ball.”
We KNOW JJ, Jamal, Smoove, and Al can ball. So with that being said, alot of you need to get the hell off of JJ’s (Enter your comments here)….
diamondd
November 22nd, 2010
6:58 am
its soo typical: since we signed joe for a max contract his game has declined at a frightening pace.. if he does not change his attitude FAST then the hawks have yet another sad future ahead… and the big problem is: no one wants joe hes too heavy (contract) and production is close to nothing…
O'Brien
November 22nd, 2010
7:25 am
vava,
If the Hawks need offense in the fourth, it will be hard to justify leaving Marvin in. But if they have a lead, I would like to see Marvin in there for defense.
But you realize in 20 something minutes of PT, we are complimenting Marvin for 2 buckets (including a wide open 3), 1 assist, and having a a few good defensive sequences.
The bottomline is we need more from him. LD had more confidence in Jamal, who struggled all night (33 mins, 2-9 FG, 5 turnovers) than he did in Marvin.
O'Brien
November 22nd, 2010
7:28 am
As for the game tonight, Hawks might catch a break because Rondo might still be out (he missed the Celtics loss to the Raptors yesterday with hamstring injury).
However, unless like last year, the Celtics have Nate Robinson, and we saw what he did to us as a member of the Knicks.
It will be interesting to see the defensiuve game plan tonight.
Fundamentals
November 22nd, 2010
8:30 am
Same story, different tday. Drew says the Hawks need more energy and focus on details. The Hawks just don’t get it or just don’t care? When will they listen and come w/ a consistent professional effort?
Jordan definitely proved he deserves a “heat check” every night. Give the kid a chance. Especially when Joe and Jamal are definitely having problems. Joe is obviously having physical issues. Jamal just seems distracted & out of sorts.
Marvin proved, well…he’s still Marvin. I’ve pushed so hard to get folks to give him a chance, but even my paitience is thin now.
Along with Marvin the bench was key. Outside of Jordan, who brought anything?
If we don’t start tuning in to LD’s postgame comments this team is done!
JeJe.
November 22nd, 2010
9:00 am
WHY IS THIS TEAM HAVING TROUBLE GOING THROUGH ADVERSITY?
WE WON THESE GAMES LAST YEAR THAT WE ARE LOSING KNOW
AND THAT WAS WITH MIKE WOODSON
ILL-Logical
November 22nd, 2010
9:16 am
Big game tonight because of both the budding rivalry and the Hawk’s losing steak. Jobs may be on the line.
dukester
November 22nd, 2010
9:59 am
Really no need to say this. But I guess I will again. Whoever resigned Bibby, Marvin and Zaza to the contracts they have should be fired. (Bibby) cool as long as he is hitting the open three and bringing veteran leadership but that wasnt worth 5 million. OK so Woodson was one of them he is gone already who does that leave us with?
O'Brien
November 22nd, 2010
10:00 am
From MC’s Hawks use Boston as an example article.
“But Sund, Atlanta’s general manager, thought it was premature to give up on Atlanta’s talented core when it hadn’t been through enough tests.” .
How many tests do we need to go through? I guess he’s giving them one more test with a different coach. And if that doesnt work, then he will make moves.
The problem is, if Rick waits until the end of the season to make a move, his options will be limited. Jamal and Mo will be gone, but we will probably be over the cap, with only Bibby as the expiring and tradeable contract. And with a new CBA, how will that affect the salalries?
Right now, our core should be Josh, Al and JJ. Everybody else is expendable for the right move. But I dont think Rick is looking for the right move. He is just watching to see how things work out..
O'Brien
November 22nd, 2010
10:07 am
And as for Marvin…There was some hope that he would be better playing for LD than he was playing for Woody. I know that its early, and he has been hurt. But so far, he looks like the same player, except this year he can’t make a 3 pointer.
2009 Marvin: 10 pts, 5 rebs, good defense in 30.5 mpg under Woody.
2010 Marvin: 9.4 pts, 5 rebs, good defense in 29 mpg under LD.
Is that what we get for $7.5 mil?
And to make it worse, we see improvements that Josh and Al are making every season, but what improvements have we seen from Marvin?
Melvin
November 22nd, 2010
10:20 am
OB,
You are on a mission this morning. Keep bringing the fire….
Ray
November 22nd, 2010
10:32 am
@ OB
What is the core I’m wondering that too because so far it seems to me the Core is just Al and Josh.
It was suppose to be Joe, Al, and Josh. As we all know Joe is M.I.A right now with his money.
I say we need to keep Bibby around he may not be as quick anymore like he was 6 years ago, but he provides leadership, and you need that to advance in the playoffs.
Ray
November 22nd, 2010
10:46 am
Just to add onto I want to see Teague run with the 1st unit sometimes I think that will boost his confidence I think.
Fundamentals
November 22nd, 2010
11:38 am
Ray, Have we really seen any improvement from Teague over last season? Same kid, just with more minutes. Jordan has the fire, Teague doesn’t seem to have it. Time will tell, but he’s getting his opportunity.
Fundamentals
November 22nd, 2010
11:40 am
Bibby has shown he’s willing to give what he can. He does seem better with 20-25 minutes a night. That’s where Teague has to step in. Teague is playing good D, but you can tell the offense stalls when Teague comes in. Is that a JC1 issue or a Teague issue?
Thus far Bibby is proving his worth. Marvin is the invisible man again. Definite AMEN to others showing what they worked on in the offseason. Marvin worked on books, not basketball.
J from the A
November 22nd, 2010
12:34 pm
The Hawks have (primarily just) one problem: their bench. The Hawks starting 5 are among the best starting 5 in the league. Three of the Hawks starters are potential All Stars. Marvin and Bibby are both solid role players.
But who is behind these starting 5?
(1) Jamal Crawford: When he is on, he is magnificent … offensively. His defense is atrocious. When he is off, he hurts the Hawks way more than he helps. So far this season, he has been off way more than he has been on.
(2) Jeff Teague: There is hope that he will improve through out the year, but as of right now, he is not that good. He lacks a jump shot. The offense stalls under his leadership (in comparison to Bibby at least). And he struggles fundamentally on defense. However, he has talent. If he can improve some of his fundamentals, he will be a good back up.
(4) Mo Evans: As a back-up defensively minded 2, he would be a solid option. But he is the Hawks’ back up 3, and he doesn’t match up well against larger 3s. His offensive skill set is good enough to keep the defense honest, but not any better.
(5) Jordan Crawford: In his limited playing time, he has shown flashes of promise, but c’mon, we all know he is not quite good enough to be rotational player. (Still I say get him some minutes, especially when JC1 is off.)
(6): Zaza Pachulia: He is full of hustle and heart … unfortunately not much else. If he improved his “hands” and quickness a bit, I think he could be a more consistent contributor. He would be a solid 2nd or 3rd big man off the bench, but the fact that he is the 1st big man option off the Hawks’ bench speaks volumes for the Hawks’ lack of depth.
(7) Josh Powell: He is playing better than I expected, but those expectations were very low.
(8) Jason Collins: Looking much improved over last year, but, again this is not saying much considering how bad he was last year.
(9) Etan Thomas: Well, the fans (including most of the bloggers here) asked for a big big man. All of you oohed-and-aahed over his “guns” when the Hawks signed him. Too bad he is worse than Jason Collins.
When Jamal is off, there is little to no offense coming off the bench. The defense-as-a-second-unit is also subpar.
The Hawks could have been a competitor this year if:
(1) They signed a quality back-up SF (there were a small handful of them that went cheap).
(2) Teague blossomed by season’s end
(3) The Hawks monitored JC1’s and the rest of the team’s performance. Trade JC1 for a solid big man or solid PG by trade deadline … which ever one was needed more.
Two of these options were in the ASG’s control. Teague’s improvement is not. However, if the Hawks would have signed a solid SF, the Hawks would have had a lot more viable options that could have improved the team, even if Teague did not improve much. (Signing a solid 3, in many ways, would have potentially made JC1, MO, or Teague expendable. The failure to sign a 3 put the Hawks in position such that if they made a trade to fill one hole, the Hawks probably would still have another hole.)
Samuel
November 22nd, 2010
12:47 pm
“LOL. A healthy Speedy might have saved Woody’s job, but now you think that’s some kind of insult to compare Teague to him.”
Samuel, get real. If Teague can produce like a healthy Speedy when he was the 7th PG drafted, then we’re getting about what one would expect.
Sautee,
You kinda lost me here. Just to clarify my statement. Speedy Sucked and Teague sucks. A guard that can’t shoot is useless on a basketball court. My thing is, why draft a 7th best anything. All the scouting reports I saw on Teague said he had bad mechanics(understatement) on his shot. A couple said he shot a palm/knuckle ball. Ding.Ding.Ding.Ding!!!. The reports also said he was turnover prone which he definitely is. Not good ingredients for a point guard.
As for Speedy saving Woody’s job. I don’t think anything could have done that. You guys would have been content with “Ronald McDonald”. Anybody but Woody. So now you got your wish and we’re basically where we were last year only a step below in my opinion. I expected that. Time will tell if LD can translate that “smooth” rap into victories over playoff caliber teams. So far, he’s not getting it done.
Woody>LD
Samuel
November 22nd, 2010
12:51 pm
OH yea,
Add the fact that Teague is timid and not confident. So what “does” he bring to the table? Quickness and jumping ability. You can find that on any playground in Atlanta
Ray
November 22nd, 2010
12:55 pm
@ Fundamentals
The situation with Teague is kind of sticky if you ask me. You asked me if we’ve seen any improvements on him since last season that’s the thing what do we really have to go on from last season.
To me and this is only my opinion I’m treating Teague like a 2nd year rookie. Because last year I never got to see much of him to make a judgement about him. I think Teague’s confidence is the problem because he shows signs of being a great ball player here and there.
As for Jordan Crawford he’s basically JC1 plus the defense which is what we needed so he’ll be one of the best SG’s we’ve ever drafted I believe.
Still I’m going to give Teague a lot more time in my eyes it takes 3 years to determine who’s a complete bust, and This is only Teague’s 2nd season. Look at Marvin it took some of us 6 years to realize we drafted only a role player with that ………….2005 draft with the 2nd pick(hard for me to say that even to this day).
On a side note looking back at that draft of 2005 there are only about 10-12 players that stood out, and now I’m mad even though we choose Marvin over CP3 we also had a chance to score Monta Ellis and Macin Gortat. Lol
terrell
November 22nd, 2010
2:07 pm
Ray, we didnt need Monte, we already had Joe. On the other hand, we didnt need Marvin because we alreadsy had Chills. lol!
Ray
November 22nd, 2010
2:56 pm
Exactly plus not only that Monta Ellis was actually a PG in the draft that year if you go back and look it up at least from where I got the info it said he was a PG.
Still though quite upset we could have also had Danny Granger who went 17th in that draft as well.
terrell
November 22nd, 2010
4:14 pm
Ray, only if Milwaukee would’ve fell for Marvin. lol!(And they almost did btw) At least we’d have Bogut.
Tancred
November 23rd, 2010
9:01 am
The Hawks are symbolic of this city. Basically, it stinks. Why, if you were on the Hawks, would you care? Nobody shows up to watch. Same with the Braves. Atlanta is going to be another Detroit; a black donut hole surrounded by a white outer ring of sprawling, McMansions, have of which are in busted developments. This city is really isn’t a city at all. If not for the gays in midtown, there would be nothing going on, except maybe some “smash n’ grabs” or murders. Wanna send your kid to Atlanta public schools? Why would you? Dysfunction everywhere. Build a friggin Ferris Wheel and a happy-go-lucky trolley. That is Atlanta’s solution. What a joke of a city. Hope Kasim brought back some great ideas from London. Hope he flew at least business class.