Timberwolves at Atlanta Hawks: Effort not yet a habit

Let’s assume the deficiencies L.D. keeps pointing out to the Hawks on to (so far) no avail really are about energy and effort and not simply a matter of not having the right players to do these tasks.

I hear some my blog people saying they are tired of hearing about a lack of effort from the Hawks, and I feel you. Shouldn’t it be a given that professional basketball players effort to block out, get rebounds, run back in transition and do the “dirty” work that L.D. says they haven’t been doing while losing close games to good teams?

“You would think so, but obviously it’s not,” L.D. said. “But that’s my job to keep enforcing it and reinforcing it and showing it on tape and drilling them and getting it to the point where those things become habit-forming.”

Mo, drawing on his perspective from playing for teams like Detroit and Orlando, agrees with the “need more effort” line of thinking.

“It has been like that for the last three years I have been here,” he said. “I used to always wonder when I played for the Magic, when we had some success against the Hawks and [some of his other] former teams: Why is it that this team is so athletic and so talented but yet couldn’t really get over the hump? Now that I’ve been here it is just, in my opinion, a matter of us playing harder for longer periods of time.

“Utah outplayed us in stretches. They didn’t outplay us the whole game, just in key stretches that made the difference. It’s a matter of will. It’s imposing a will on your opponent. Either you impose your will on them or they impose it on you. That’s what Utah did in those last few plays.”

L.D. said Utah “won’t get beat in physicality and toughness” but maybe that’s because Utah is a tough and physical team and the Hawks, despite their best efforts, are not. This isn’t a new thought, I know–AJC wise guy Jeff Schultz tells me they’ve been saying that about the Hawks in these parts for years, and L.D. acknowledges that this same group of players has heard the same speech for a long time.

“They’ve heard it over and over again,” he said today. “They will probably hear it again after this game. But I have to keep harping on it. Dirty work is not a ’sometime’ thing. It has to be all the time.”

L.D. is resolute in his belief that the Hawks have the potential to be tougher, that if they can just recognize their lapses in effort and intensity they can develop those traits. It’s why he said he wouldn’t make any “drastic changes” with his lineup or his methods and instead would continue to point out his team’s mistakes and hold players accountable.

So far, that’s included calling out guys in the video room: “Not trying to embarrass anybody, just pointing out these are things we need to do as a team and individuals so we can move forward.”

Injury report

L.D. said he would closely watch Marvin’s matchup with Beasley because Marvin might not yet be up to speed on his conditioning.

J.J. missed practice Saturday due to illness but is in the starting lineup.

MC

102 comments Add your comment

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
1:57 pm

hit the boards Al!

lewis

November 14th, 2010
2:00 pm

BE TOUGH.
I don’t even care if we win.
Knock people down
Get rebounds
Make them respect you

ignition

November 14th, 2010
2:08 pm

If LD wants to instill toughness and effort into the Hawks he gonna have to start doing it with minutes… Sit guys down that aren’t giving you the effort and reward those that are…
Teague is giving the best defensive effort of the guards put him on the floor..
Za Za giving you effort on the glass give him more minutes..
He is gonna have to start rewarding and showing that defense, effort and hustle are more important and play the guys that display it .. then see what happens with the guys that aren’t..

J.J.M.

November 14th, 2010
2:17 pm

lol same team again

cp

November 14th, 2010
2:18 pm

How much longer do you have to keep trying to instill all this into the same group. It has been a problem for years. Its time that the front office makes the players accountable. Its crazy to think after all these years we keep hearing the same thing about energy, toughness, and not giving up.

And as I type this LD has to call a timeout because these dudes have come out flat against the T Wolves. SMDH

Samuel

November 14th, 2010
2:21 pm

What happened to “HOLDING PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE”. Again, a slick interviewing tactic that doesn’t hold water. LD, why not call people(Al) out.

Jody

November 14th, 2010
2:22 pm

Here’s a thought, the Hawks roster, for the most part, are not made up of physical players.

terrell

November 14th, 2010
2:23 pm

How bout a little energy for crying out loud. Starting to look like Woody’s Hawks. And why is Marvin still starting? I liked the other lineup. Bring his butt off the bench. I guess those 1st 3 out of 4 games were a fluke. Must’ve realized he was still Marvin.

lukas

November 14th, 2010
2:23 pm

Minny is already out-rebounding the Hawks. Watch KLove going for 43 rebounds, 26 on the offensive glass. AHorford with the grand total of 7, all defensive.

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
2:24 pm

Al didnt leave his feet to contest last Darko touch.. that time he did, and got the block.

WORK AL!

Samuel

November 14th, 2010
2:26 pm

Woody:”We just need to defend and rebound”.
LD:”We just need to move the ball on offense”.

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
2:28 pm

great defense from Josh.. underrated man defender..

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
2:30 pm

nice low post move from Al..

cp

November 14th, 2010
2:31 pm

Yea at this point I really dont understand why Marvin is still starting. LD talked about accountability but he seems to be doing the same things as Woodson.

O'Brien

November 14th, 2010
2:33 pm

Samuel,

he has been calling them out in practice, and when they watch film. He doesnt have to call them out to the media.

I like Josh’s effort today. And I like Al’s effort today. We need to dominate in the paint.

And a nice spin move by Josh.

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
2:34 pm

Woody: “I dont care about offense”
LD: “We go into every game with a defensive game plan and schemes and I expect them to put forth all the energy into it. If we have to make adjustments, we’ll make adjustments. But no matter the coverages, guys have to put in the effort.”

actual quotes not just biased opinion..

cp

November 14th, 2010
2:35 pm

Its time to see what Jordan Crawford can do . Give him some minutes or send him to the d league

cp

November 14th, 2010
2:36 pm

smh Teague. You can hear LD screaming at him to go get the ball. He did this last game. smh

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
2:36 pm

Euroflop lol

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
2:37 pm

Jeff lazy entry pass…

Jeff turnover, maybe wasnt on the same page.. instead of going telling Josh what he wanted or saw there he puts his head down and walks away..

i need PG play from Jeff.. it takes more than just talent or even skill to run the point. the 2nd unit problems have a lot to do with the PG play from the 2nd unit. no excuses.

Samuel

November 14th, 2010
2:38 pm

Dave,
Sure,that’s what he’s saying now but what abount training camp when the real teaching happens. it was all about the “ball movement and no switching on defense”.

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
2:39 pm

guards get to the hole at ease against us.

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
2:40 pm

id like to see what Jordan can do at PG honestly..handles okay.. he’s aggressive.. and looks to get others involved. defense wont be able just to sag off him.. nor will he just allow Jamal to have his way with the Hawk offense..

defensively the jury is out.. but he does guard in space well.. he gets in trouble getting over screens and rotations.. i think he’d be able to use his length to challenge passes and contest..

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
2:42 pm

Samuel..

i got that quote from a training camp interview back in early Oct. .. just get over Woodson my dude.

cp

November 14th, 2010
2:43 pm

bigdave im with you. I said the other night Jordan Crawford cant be any worse than what were getting from Bibby and Teague. . It seems that LD is trying everything he can to give Teague a chance but he isn’t doing anything with his opportunities. See what JC2 can do

O'Brien

November 14th, 2010
2:44 pm

Great effort by Mo Evans coming off an injury, but still willing to dive for the ball.

I think he would be so much better as a backup SG instead of a backup SF…

O'Brien

November 14th, 2010
2:46 pm

cp,

The problem is, Teague’s future is at PG, while JC2’s future is at SG. So its easy to find minutes for Teague at PG, even if he has not impressed.

JC2 needs to play SG, and its hard to find minutes with JJ and Jamal in front of him.

Plus JC2 is not on Teague’s level in terms of defense and pressuring the ball.

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
2:47 pm

2nd unit winning the game for us.

cp

November 14th, 2010
2:50 pm

O’Brien I feel you on all points but really what has Teague done when on the court? Not a whole lot at all. Plus I think Jordan will be alright defensively, add in his passing and scoring abilities and you have a guy who will probably be more productive when given the minutes than the guy who currently is.

ignition

November 14th, 2010
2:54 pm

Josh Powell is basically useless…

ignition

November 14th, 2010
2:56 pm

Honestly I’d rather see Teague on the floor to cover the point.. I want defense I’ve seen what we are on O.

cp

November 14th, 2010
2:56 pm

I would take Beasley over the invisible man to

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
2:57 pm

Bibby gettin WORKED by the Telfair

Jorge

November 14th, 2010
2:59 pm

Does anyone have a link for the game? League pass is broadcasting nascar racing for some odd reason. These types of problems are annoying.

By the way, I tried atdhe.net, but the link on there isn’t working.

ignition

November 14th, 2010
3:01 pm

Am watching on League Pass now… it fine for me..

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
3:02 pm

telfair right around bibby

O'Brien

November 14th, 2010
3:02 pm

cp,

The one thing Teague does well, is he does a decent job of playing defense on opposing PGs, and pressuring the ball.

If JC2 is in the game at PG, I dont think he is quick enough to guard PGs. And he also has to run some of the offense if he is in at PG.

My solution is trade Jamal, and let Mo and JC2 handle the backup SG spot.

ignition

November 14th, 2010
3:06 pm

Will he PLEASE put Teague in the game … Got damn…

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
3:06 pm

telfair exposing jamal and bibby’s lack of defense.

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
3:08 pm

lol beasley and telfair have NO respect for the Hawks D.

lewis

November 14th, 2010
3:09 pm

Not that it’s saying anything at all, but Bibby is a far superior to Jamal defensively

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
3:11 pm

lol

Rathbun: “Tipped in By Horford”

PA: “MMMMMAAAAR-VINNN”

bigdave

November 14th, 2010
3:12 pm

coach needs to let Josh have it for ignoring him when he was telling him to give the ball to Jamal up top and run something…

cp

November 14th, 2010
3:16 pm

I feel you O’Brien but he has to do more than that when on the floor. We are basically getting no production from the pg positon. It was like this last year…

ignition

November 14th, 2010
3:29 pm

Josh needs to drive more and stop settling for jump shots… scrappiness and hustle were shown by Mo and defense Josh & Teague..
Hawks need to ATTACK attack attack.. Push the pace…

ignition

November 14th, 2010
3:31 pm

Josh is a Great passer.. He just gets ahead of himself sometimes.. PUSH the Pace. !!!!!!

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
3:32 pm

Marvn’s J gettin worse?

ignition

November 14th, 2010
3:32 pm

Marvin needs to drive to the basket more… lol

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
3:33 pm

nice ball movement

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 14th, 2010
3:37 pm

Josh Smith’s jump shooting is better than Marvin’s now?