Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 111, Timberwolves 105

Hawks managed to hold off T-Wolves. (Curtis Compton/

Hawks managed to hold off T-Wolves. (Curtis Compton/

– It wasn’t as seamless as it should have been, but considering the consequences had they blown this one the Hawks took the W and moved on.

– “This one was a must-win,” Al said. “I thought the same thing about the game on Friday. But this was one we had to have. I was encouraged with the way our guys came out and competed.”

– They did compete, which is not a given, and ended the losing streak at four. Playing smart was another matter.

Smoove’s putback gave the Hawks a 97-83 lead with 5:53 to go. Less than two minutes later it was 97-92 and Atlanta had to scramble to win a game it had in hand.

– Not surprisingly, Josh was in the middle of lots of good plays and a few bad ones.

– Josh took 20 shots and made 10. He countered any critique of his shot selection by pointing out the 10 makes. “We all have our roles, but when I’m open, I have the green light to shoot,” he said.

– That’s not exactly how L.D. has explained it. True, he has gone out of his way to say Josh has worked on his shot, but he doesn’t like it when Smoove settles for long jumpers in certain situations, such as . . .

– The Hawks leading the T-Wolves 97-89 and Josh threw up a 20-foot airball that Kevin Love rebounded, leading to Corey Brewer’s 3 eight seconds later. That was after Love stole the ball from Josh on Atlanta’s previous possession.

– “We had chances to put them away but we turned the ball over,” Al said.

– Of course, J.J. didn’t help matters on the Smoove airball by dribbling out most of the shot clock before passing off to Josh.

– “We had ample opportunity to create separation but we made some bad plays and bad decisions,” L. D. said.

– At one point in the first half L.D. corrected Teague on four straight possessions. Teague seemed to be getting tired of hearing it and Lester Conner consoled him.

– Teague ended up providing a spark early in the fourth quarter with a block that led to Jamal’s layup on the break and drawing contact from Beasley and making both free throws.

Bibby’s shot has been a bit shaky the last couple games and it looked like L.D. would leave him on the bench for the fourth quarter. But after Brewer made that 3, Bibby was back in. He missed an open jumper and one of two free throws down the stretch.

– But the Hawks made 34 of 39 free throws, including 8 of 10 in the final minute and change to avoid an awful collapse. “Well certainly take the win,” L.D. said.

Mo looked pretty good again. He was part of the bench group that gave the Hawks a jolt in the first half and when L.D. needed someone to help guard the perimeter in the final minute, out went Jamal and in came Mo (who was so surprised he didn’t respond at first).

– “Mo gave us a huge lift,” L.D. said. “I’m glad to get him back. You know what you are going to get from him. He has that blue-collar mentality. I need more guys like that. It’s not always pretty but you know you will get the effort.”

– Atlanta’s backup bigs were just sort of out there. Four rebounds, one blocked shot, 1 of 7 shooting in 24 minutes combined for Zaza and Josh Powell.

– J.J. missed practice yesterday because he was ill. He started the game and was steady and efficient.

– Al got stitches to the back of his head but returned to the game. Facing a physical frontline, he used his quickness to get 10 rebounds and earn 10 free-throw attempts. After missing two big ones against Utah, he made them all.

– The T-Wolves lost steam when Beasley went out with two early fouls. Love collected 17 rebounds but his teammates got just 22 combined.

– Atlanta rebounded 25 of Minnesota’s 41 misses (not including team rebounds). “The Hawks sent more guys at me tonight,” Love said. “I got my shot blocked a couple times. They’re an extremely athletic team at every position. They really clamped down and made it a point on both the offensive and defensive glass to get in there and get them.”

– After playing 11 games over the first 18 days of the season, including three sets of back-to-back games, the Hawks will play just two games over the next seven days. L.D. plans to give them a day or two off and pull back on some of the physical work when they do practice.

– “I’m not one to make excuses about our team and the way we perform,” he said. “But a part of me has felt, especially after that Milwaukee game [Wednesday], I thought the season kind of caught up with us at that time with our schedule. That’s no excuse. We have to come out and we have to play because other teams go through it too.”

– “We might be a little run down,” Al said. “It’s early in the season but we got off to a fast start [with the schedule] so it will be a nice break.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.


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Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2010
8:12 pm

Another lackluster, uninspiring win by the Hawks. I guess if there are enough bad teams on the schedule, they can pad their win total, but they still haven’t played one game at a level that will get it done in the playoffs.

Big Ray

November 14th, 2010
8:24 pm

Co-sign Najeh .

Seen a couple of games where the effort and execution was there, but failure to execute on a couple of plays was the difference. Orlando and Phoenix games are such examples.

Hawks deserve to be 7-4 based on schedule. What they should be is a different story.


November 14th, 2010
8:27 pm

Who gives a p/huck about one sorry team beating another sorry team? Upgrade the defense of this sorry shi+fest.

Marvin, Zaza, and Mike Bibby
Lou Williams and Andre Iguodala

PG Lou Williams/Teague
SG Joe/ Jamal/Jordan
SF Iggy/Mo
PF Josh Smith/Powell
C Horford/Collins/


November 14th, 2010
8:29 pm

Didn’t see the game, but I was glad to see Horford and Smith in double digits in rebounding. Regardless of the result, we HAD to improve on the boards.


November 14th, 2010
8:30 pm

This team is lazy and gets undisciplined with a lead. They should establish a goal of winning by 10 points minimum, and see how many games they can win by 20+, 30+, etc. during the season. That would give them something to focus on together and might keep them from giving up so many big leads, if they start playing a different game called “win BIG” rather than simply outscoring the opponent by one or more points.


November 14th, 2010
8:31 pm


You really think Lou Williams would improve our perimeter defense?



November 14th, 2010
8:38 pm

After watching this game I’ve come to the conclusion that LD has to start putting butts on the bench if they don’t give effort play defense or rebound..
Josh Powell and Za Za did NOTHING on the court..
Teague needs more minutes cause Jamal’s defense is no existent… Bibby’s not much better..
If you wanna be a defensive team then put the players on the floor that play defense..
Josh Jamal and Joe have to make better decisions in the 4th Quarter, more importantly RUN the offense too many turnovers and poor execution.. Ball Movement is a Must and Joe should not have the ball PERIOD,.. KILL iso Joe permanently !!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2010
8:52 pm

“After watching this game I’ve come to the conclusion that LD has to start putting butts on the bench if they don’t give effort play defense or rebound..
Josh Powell and Za Za did NOTHING on the court..”

Easier said than done. Josh Powell should be in the D-League and Zaza isn’t too far behind, but thanks to Rick Sund, LD doesn’t really have a choice but to play them.


November 14th, 2010
9:10 pm

Hawks are 7-0 against potential lottery teams, and 0-4 against possible playoff teams. And the Hawks gave up 33 fourth quarter points to the Timberwolves, at home.

If we want to be an elite team, our defense has to improve.

That being said, we needed this win, so I will gladly take it.

And Teague needs to be a sponge and soak up everything LD and the coaching staff, and Bibby etc., are telling him. This is no time for sensitivity.

With only 2 games in 7 days, I hope the hawks will regroup, and play hungry.

I still think Rick will have to make a trade to change the dynamic on this team.


November 14th, 2010
9:48 pm

This team just does not play defense. It can lose to any team in the league the way it plays.


Mz. Hawkdafied

November 14th, 2010
10:11 pm

7-4 instead of 6-5 back on the winning track. Go Hawks!


November 14th, 2010
10:19 pm

Anybody here that’s unhappy with the team and wants a trade. Well there are six players on the WIZARDS right now that might be available if you want to ship out HAWKS players. By name:


I’d include GILBERT ARENAS, but I don’t think you want his contract.


November 14th, 2010
10:23 pm

don’t over react.

we are precisely where we all predicted we would be: still assimilating a new philosophy, struggling at the PG spot and struggling to incorporate on the new offensive and defensive schemes a guy who is a streaky shooter and a liability on D.

we need that Jamal is traded asap – anything in return is enough for me – and for Teague to be the first man off the bench to provide some D at the PG position and to bring some drive and dish game.

Telfair was having a field day against Bibby – whose shot is off again. He looked better off the gate but now has again faded dramatically.

This was yet another game where we stopped executing the offense with Jamal on the floor.

30 minutes of Jamal = poor team play.

Josh was again excellent in some things and horrible on others, the latter specially down stretch.


November 14th, 2010
10:37 pm

I’ll take the win. Didn’t see the game, tried to follow it on the internet. Looks like we’re still learning to finish off games.



November 14th, 2010
10:44 pm

I still can’t think of a better trade for the Hawks that is realistic than the one I put forth including the Sacramento Kings. And although we wouldn’t know if Sund attempted a trade like that or not. I wouldn’t be able to understand why he wouldn’t try it. The trade would make the Hawks better defensively. Which in terms may make them better offensively, because the 2nd unit would have more fast break opportunities.

If anyone missed it, The trade was:

Hawks get:
Samuel Dalembert
Jason Thompson
F. Garcia

Sacramento Kings get:
Jamal Crawford
Zaza Pachula
Mo Evans
and 1st round pick.

Section 303

November 14th, 2010
10:45 pm

vava74, I hear what you’re saying, but the Hawks should have two more wins. They just blew the games with Utah and Orlando. Especially, the Utah game…still not sure how they p#ssed that one away.

I have to say I called it. After watching Josh Smith shoot at the open practice, I told you he had better mechanics with his jumper and looked more fluid. But, he is starting to settle too much for that shot.

He is not smart enough to handle this “you have the green light to shoot” thing. He takes that as he HAS to shoot whenever open, instead of driving to the hoop when he has the chance. The shots went in today, but they won’t go in all the time. At somepoint, Josh has to grow up. He has all the tools. Limited by his 10-cent head.


November 14th, 2010
11:08 pm

blogs were more active during the off-season

how telling


November 14th, 2010
11:16 pm

Lewis, the blogs are inactive because the Hawks won. When they lose it only takes 30 minutes for there to be 20 pages up.


November 14th, 2010
11:18 pm

lol too true


November 14th, 2010
11:30 pm


No disrespect intended, but that’s a goofy trade idea.
As a matter if fact it’s so incomprehensible
that I won’t even critique the uneveness.

I do apologize ahead of time for my rudeness.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 14th, 2010
11:57 pm

Ramon, that’s not a bad trade in terms of talent (although I would hang on to the pick) but it doesn’t do much to help the Hawks with their mentality and toughness, which are their weaknesses right now. Dalembert is a nice help defender, but he’s not the kind of gritty man defender the Hawks need at the center position. I do like Garcia and Thompson though.


November 15th, 2010
12:40 am

Grandad, you say that’s an uneven trade? How? Dalembert is an expiring contract who plays the same position the Kings lottery pick (Cousin plays). And they’re looking for more playing time of Cousin and Landry together. Jason Thompson is in the doghouse in Sacramento, and has seen his playing time dip in this season. And Garcia, while talented, he has had problems of injuries in the past. Zaza could be used to back up Cousin, and he would be able to produce more (my opinion) in the West than in the east. Also Evans and Zaza are half the price that Dalembert and Garcia are, with not a huge drop off in production. Jamal Crawford offers the Kings the only potential player on their roster who could drop 40 plus once a month effortlessly. So he would be very entertaining for the fans there. Also they get a first round pick to add depth next season at any position to go along with their lottery pick.

As far as the Hawk go, this is a trade instantly makes your second unit better in every aspect. Garcia can guard 3 positions, and it would allow Teague to have the ball in his hands a lot more. Thompson (who can play PF and C, only makes $2 mil a season) and Dalembert would provide more than a substantial front court for the second unit. And the rebounding would improve instantly. The second unit would potentially be a better defensive unit than the first unit. Also Dalembert played D12 as tough as I’ve seen anyone play him 2 seasons ago in the playoffs. Trading the draft pick is a good thing for the Hawks, because they save $1.5-$2.5 million that would be guaranteed. And they can use that on minimum contracts next season when the salary cap will be lowered due to the new CBA.



with Collins, Powell as reserves (release Etan, or have him on inactive).

Najeh, I think the Hawks are strong mentally. I think the Hawks biggest problem is TRUST, and its very understandable. The first unit don’t trust the bench to hold leagues or build on leads when they enter the game. I haven’t seen a team yet that blew by the Hawks while the starters were in the game. The Hawks losses (even last season) normally came when either the starters played too many minutes and wore down before the end of the 4th quarter. Or the bench would give up substantial leads the starters built up. And by then, the opposition has a nice rhythm to their offense that lasts the rest of the game. That deal would instantly strengthen the bench with only $2-3 million more invested. Also Najeh, I think next season the picks will be overrated because of the pending lockout.


November 15th, 2010
1:15 am

@Ramon, I aint gonna lie, I was with Grandad on that trade but after you broke it down how both teams would benefit, I say Sund, GO FOR IT!! It actually makes sense!!


November 15th, 2010
1:17 am

This is from

Thompson is averaging just 15.4 minutes per game off the bench and has been shopped by the Kings, who according to one source with knowledge of the talks offered the 6-11, 250-pounder to Atlanta in a deal featuring young point guard Jeff Teague. The Hawks declined.


November 15th, 2010
1:23 am

Ramon that’s a stupid trade and does not make the Hawks better. The Hawks need another all-star quality player. I am starting to agree that adding some piece just to add a piece will not get the Hawks to the next level. The Hawks need to throw Al Horford or Josh Smith along with others at Denver even if Carmelo will not resign because they are not going anywhere with this current roster anyway.

Denver gets

Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford, Zaza and a 1st round pick

Atlanta gets

Carmelo and Nene

Don’t even worry about resigning Carmelo if we can’t then its fine. We keep Nene regardless and get better.


The year after Carmelo is gone we still have

Marvin/upgrade the backup
Horford/upgrade the backup
Nene/upgrade the backup

My point is you are going to have to choose between Al and Josh because salaries are just going to continue to grow for both and you don’t want to continue to pay guys huge money then pay them out of position.


November 15th, 2010
1:32 am

superblog, You say that’s a stupid trade, but then post that trade? As talented as Josh is (and I don’t believe Melo is as good of a player as Josh is). Denver would have no reason to trade for Josh as long as Kenyon Martin is on the roster.

@ Reggie, I wouldn’t include Teague in the deal either.

@ MsDee, I understand. I just don’t see the Hawks EVER competing without improving the bench totally. If you look at the Celtics’ 2nd unit. Every player they have at those positions with the exception of Jamal and Nate, are better than our second unit. Our 7th man (Zaza) would be their 11-12th man off the bench. Glen Davis, Shaq, J O’Neal, and Daniels, are each better than any player we have on the bench after Jamal. So you have to trade your best pieces that aren’t a part of the ‘proverbial core’, that would be Jamal, Zaza, Mo, and a 1st round pick.


November 15th, 2010
1:34 am


November 15th, 2010
1:17 am

This is from

Thompson is averaging just 15.4 minutes per game off the bench and has been shopped by the Kings, who according to one source with knowledge of the talks offered the 6-11, 250-pounder to Atlanta in a deal featuring young point guard Jeff Teague. The Hawks declined.

Teague for Thompson does not work straight up so it depends on what the other pieces were.

I would like to know what those other pieces were. That is a trade I would do as long as Josh, Al, nor Jordan were involved and I doubt they were involved, but I personally think Sund is a ignorant SOB so he is still in love with Teague’s potential when the potential of a 6″11 guy looks a lot better than the potential of a 6″1 guy to me. The management is horrible.

Hawks get
Jason Thompson and Donte Greene

Kings get
Teague and Mo Evans

I would do it in a minute.


November 15th, 2010
1:35 am


November 15th, 2010
1:32 am

superblog, You say that’s a stupid trade, but then post that trade? As talented as Josh is (and I don’t believe Melo is as good of a player as Josh is). Denver would have no reason to trade for Josh as long as Kenyon Martin is on the roster.

@ Reggie, I wouldn’t include Teague in the deal either.

@ MsDee, I understand. I just don’t see the Hawks EVER competing without improving the bench totally. If you look at the Celtics’ 2nd unit. Every player they have at those positions with the exception of Jamal and Nate, are better than our second unit. Our 7th man (Zaza) would be their 11-12th man off the bench. Glen Davis, Shaq, J O’Neal, and Daniels, are each better than any player we have on the bench after Jamal. So you have to trade your best pieces that aren’t a part of the ‘proverbial core’, that would be Jamal, Zaza, Mo, and a 1st round pick.

You sound very uninformed. Kenyon’s contract is expiring. So, why would they resign a guy that has been injured that much?


November 15th, 2010
1:47 am

Superior, if they’re trying to clear cap space, which has been documented, how would acquiring Josh, who still has more years left on his contract, accomplish that? Especially when they wouldn’t have a starting center left on their roster?


November 15th, 2010
1:52 am

Also Superior, you trade your best defensive player for two players who is known for everything not involving defense, and that makes your team better how? Nene hasn’t performed on the defensive end in the playoffs in the West. Why would we expect him to do it in a tougher east (at his position)? Carmelo is a high volume scorer. So how does that really help the Hawks in the playoffs? The Hawks still would be unable to get stops for a extended period of time. The Hawks need to improve their defense, not the offense first.


November 15th, 2010
2:04 am

Ramon you sound very lost. First you say you would not put the 6″1 Jeff Teague who is living off of potential in a trade for the 6″11 Jason Thompson who has already been productive in the NBA and still has loads of potential; check his career numbers, then you claim that Josh Smith is a better player than Carmelo. You are very ignorant of basketball if you think that Josh Smith is anywhere close to Carmelo in basketball. It is a reason that Josh got cut from the USA team before far less talented players and that is because Josh just can not be trusted to perform at a high level consistently,which is the same reason that Javal McGee got cut. On the other hand, Carmelo can get 25 pts and 8 reb on anyone, case closed. You sound crazy saying Josh is better than Carmelo, you have to do it consistently you do know that correct? Finally, please don’t mention Rondo is a case proven that the people picking the USA team could be wrong because Rondo’s inability to shoot causes serious problems in the International game.


November 15th, 2010
2:26 am

Superior, you contradicted your own self in your post. The same exact reason Rondo wasn’t chose was the same reason Josh Smith wasn’t chosen 2-3 years ago! His lack of a consistent jumper didn’t translate good in international play. Also please do not inflate the stats. Carmelo is averaging 25 and 8 now, this season. But his career average is only 6.2 a game. That means your hero, savior for the franchise is only averaging less than one rebound than Marvin Williams. Also even at the power forward position Josh Smith has averaged more assists and steals per game than your hero. The only three categories that Carmelo is better in than Josh is ppg, ft%, and 3pt%. That’s it. So Josh gives you more rebounds, more assists, more blocks, more steals, better defense, better field goal percentage, and he does all of this for half of the price that it will cost to sign Melo. And remember, with Josh having a better percentage its not impossible to believe given the amount of attempts Melo get a game, that Josh would average comparable in points. Last season, Carmelo averaged over 9 shots per game more than Josh. Nine shots per game more is a lot. And I guarantee you, that Carmelo had the ball in his hands on offense longer than Josh did. Yet Josh still out performed him in ever category except for points. By the way, Melo’s 3pt shooting is overrated also. Because as much criticism Josh catches for shooting the 3. Melo is only shooting 5% better than Josh. That doesn’t sound like the next Mark Price to me. And on the defensive side of the ball, Melo doesn’t come even close to being as much of an impact as Josh is. Josh Smith is a better basketball player than Carmelo Anthony. While Carmelo gets the points, he is overrated.


November 15th, 2010
2:37 am

Josh Smith has the ball in his hands too much now, he tries to run the show instead of finishing and turns it over too much and he does not know how to play basketball that’s why he plays erratic. You don’t have that problem with players like Carmelo because they are just more solid players that understand winning and how to play intelligently at a far greater rate than Josh. A team with Josh Smith on it will never ever win a championship. I will put it to you like this, swap Paul Pierce and Carmelo and the Celtics are a better team. Swap Lamar Odom with Josh Smith and the Lakers would not have won any of those recent titles. Josh is a very ignorant basketball player and his teams will be losers if he plays a significant role.

Shyne G

November 15th, 2010
3:38 am

Man we need to hurry up and make trades!!!


November 15th, 2010
4:54 am

Ramon = My new internet idol.

I don’t follow the numbers myself that much, but breaking it down really does make you question why are alot of us after Carmelo now? I was on the band wagon of having ‘Melo in here, but after seeing that one post, Im starting to question myself now.


November 15th, 2010
5:00 am

However, one thing that I will gree with superiorblogman, is that Josh is getting somewhat ignorant. I dont mind seeing him move the ball up the court once or twice, but I’m seeiing it as a frequent thing at times now. And I do NOT want to see Smoove taking a roll of a PG.


November 15th, 2010
5:10 am

ok so the Hawks beat 1 of the worst teams in the league by 6, at home after droping 4 straight, with 3 of the last 4 at home.

They still played horrible defense.

They still got out hustled, and had poor offensive execution.

We in for a long season.


November 15th, 2010
5:47 am

Section 303 and all the rest of the guys who have been blogging recently the doom and gloom around here:

We are 11 games into the season and we had 4 losses in row when did not have Marvin and Mo.

Without our 3 possible SF rotational players (Marvin, Mo and Pape) we had to make too many adaptations to our line up and our rotations.

Also, the game against Utah was a indeed a heart breaker BUT:

- Mo and Marvin were not yet able to contribute at normal levels, so were not at full force.

- We were damn close from winning the game (if Al had not choked at the FT lie we would have been in a good situation to pull out the win).

- Utah won 5 come from behind matches in a row: they are tearing it.


November 15th, 2010
5:53 am

The biggest issue about the Hawks right now is that we need to DUMP JAMAL ASAP.

We have a problem at the PG spot with Bibby being Bibby and with Jamal being the first guy off the bench.

Bibby has trouble defending most PGs but even so, when he is on the floor, we are usually playing well and within the new offense.

The minute Jamal gets in, the offense stalls and the whole game play gets wacky, including on D.

Yesterday Jamal came in hotter than during the past few games, but as the game went on, he went cold (as it is usual in him) and his contribution on both ends of the floor were almost null.

Teague must come in to relieve Bibby and not Jamal since he brings good defensive effort (if not yet consistent D production) AND is much more of a creator keeping teammates involved.

Until he is traded, Jamal should be used exclusively to spell JJ for 15 minutes – at the best – with orders to do his thing against the opposing reserves. AND NOT MORE THAN THAT.


November 15th, 2010
5:55 am

And by the way:

MO and Teague were +11 on the (+-) stat.

Not that you can rely on it blindly, but the fact is that Telfair and Gaines had trouble scoring and getting teammates involved with Teague hounding them on D.


November 15th, 2010
7:30 am


Why would Denver want Jamal when they already have JR Smith (who is rumored to be on the trade block)?

And the issue with trading for Carmelo is the Hawks might only get him for one year, because he does not want to play for the Hawks long term.

And even if Carmelo did want to play for the Hawks long term, he would require $20 mil a year. ASG cannot afford to give JJ $18 mil, Al $12 mil, and Carmelo $20 mil.


November 15th, 2010
8:23 am


The media darlings OKC with their superstar durantula and their PG for the future are 5-5.

So, it’s early to give up on these Hawks.


November 15th, 2010
8:25 am

Love said. “I got my shot blocked a couple times. They’re an extremely athletic team at every position.”

That’s for sure, there aren’t any fat guys out there playing for the Hawks just because they happen to be tall.


November 15th, 2010
8:29 am

Last!!! (Sorry, I couldn’t resist.) :P


November 15th, 2010
8:43 am

Obrien, they could afford him if they got ridof Marvin, Bibby, and Zaza. lol!


November 15th, 2010
8:55 am

MC. I have a question:
Why is it that ASA’s picture captions the story of the win last evening and Josh was voted outstanding player of the game by the Sports South broadcasting team but when ASA blew the Utah game by blowing 4 consecutive free throw opportunities,including the 2 that would have tied the game, Josh’s picture captioned the story ?


November 15th, 2010
9:05 am

I thought the trade for Teague with Sacremento sending Thompson was a good trade. It would have left a void at point guard but we need to do something.


November 15th, 2010
9:14 am

Good win Hawks and thanks for admitting it’s about effort and fundamentals like rebounding! I do gripe alot, but at least I’m consistent in what I expect.

I still don’t see how a lazy, no D Carmelo is going to make us better? It just doesn’t make sense. We already have griping about not having enough balls to go around (literal and figurative) why add more to that problem? He’s not the answer. A professional work ethic is the real answer.

Props to Mo Evans for a great game. I bash you alot Mo, but you showed me exactly what this team needs more of yesterday: energy, heart and tenacity. Keep up the good work.


November 15th, 2010
9:20 am






November 15th, 2010
9:26 am

*4 game losing STREAK, MY BAD