Atlanta Hawks: Jazz 90, Hawks 86
Deron Williams and the Jazz slipped past the Hawks. (AP Photo)
–When things got tight down the stretch, you could see the Jazz thrive on the situation as the Hawks started hiccuping. Before the game, L.D. praised the Jazz for their mental toughness and discipline and then the Hawks saw exactly what he meant. Utah rallied for a W for the fourth straight game.
– “They are a team that has no quit in them,” L.D. said. “At no point in the game could we relax or take possessions off because this is a team that’s going to be solid for 48 minutes. We may get a little lead in them, but they have no quit in them.”
– It’s not like the Hawks quit, either. It’s just that for the third time in the last four games they weren’t good enough to finish off a quality opponent. Viewed in isolation, this wasn’t such a terrible loss for the Hawks. But placed in the context of those losses to Phoenix and Orlando and the surrender against Milwaukee, this was a game the Hawks couldn’t lose.
– It’s still early in the season but no doubt the Hawks are in crisis mode. “We have to learn how to grind in crunch-time situations,” L.D. said. “We’ve got to make the plays.”
– They did that when the opponents weren’t so tough. “I didn’t get too excited about 6-0 because we weren’t playing playoff teams,” J.J.said. “Now we are playing playoff teams.”
– He’s probably discounting the 6-0 start too much considering the four road Ws and signs of growth when it comes to closing out close games away from Philips. But clearly the Hawks have a lot of work to do to be considered anything but a middling playoff team in the East.
– Asked before the game how the Hawks could avoid another debacle like the Bucks game, L.D. said: “Make some shots.” Well, the Hawks made nearly half of their shots (35 of 71) and still loss thanks missing 11 of 21 free throws and giving up 15 offensive rebounds.
– On the free throws, L.D. said: “We work on them and practice. You just have to step up, focus and concentrate and knock your free throws down.” On the rebounds, he said the Hawks spent all of Thursday’s practice working on defense, with two sessions devoted to rebounding: “It’s a problem. It won’t be fixed until we get into our mindset that we have to pay more attention and be more focused. It will be worked on every day in practice, I can tell you that. It won’t be something we will let slide.”
– L.D. talks about focus and concentration and mindset, then you see the Hawks can’t execute the things he spends so much time on and you wonder if he can get this group of guys to do those kinds of things all the time.
– The Hawks made fundamental mistakes down the stretch.
– Marvin had a fastbreak layup and could neither score nor get fouled and instead fumbled the ball out of bounds
– Smoove tried to feed Al for a lob dunk that wasn’t there and Deron Williams broke it up.
– Kirilenko stole the ball from J.J.
– The Hawks played a great defensive possession, forcing Milsap to a rush a 3-point attempt, but left Al Jefferson alone to rebound the miss.
– And then Al missed the free throws. “It’s a tough loss to take,” Al said. “We were tough and we hung in there. I have to take the blame for not knocking down those free throws at the end. But I will just have to keep working because I know I will be back in that situation again.”
– “They just made plays to win the game,” Josh said.
– “We just have to put this behind us and move on,” J.J. said.
– Marvin seemed to be moving OK but he missed some easy baskets. Mo had s strong stint in the first half with three rebounds in eight minutes.
– The bench held the lead in the first half and extended it in the third quarter. All of the starters were back in after the Jazz tied it at 78-78.
– L.D. has instituted what he calls a “20-20″ rule: Guys who don’t play 20 minutes in a game now will do 20 minutes of cardio work after. So Zaza, JC2, Teague and Powell ran sprints and Twin hit the treadmill. I’m guessing Mo was exempt because he’s coming off an injury.
– I’m out, Hawks fans.
MC
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116 comments Add your comment
drmaryb
November 12th, 2010
11:25 pm
i like the 20-20 rule. but, dennis rodman rode the bike after every game, “no-rule’ he just gave a damn!
drmaryb
November 12th, 2010
11:28 pm
look at all those empty seats in that photo. that’s what the ASKG deserve!
aye sund! find us a damned Super-Star to come in here! we aint got no Big-Three!
cp
November 12th, 2010
11:28 pm
L.D. talks about focus and concentration and mindset, then you see the Hawks can’t execute the things he spends so much time on and you wonder if he can get this group of guys to do those kinds of things all the time
MC didn’t you mention before in a blog that Woodson had a similar problem getting them to do all those things? If so then it might be time to realize that these guys just don’t have that mental makeup..They don’t have a real leader out there and it shows….We still need a pg and better production from the sf position. I just dont know about this team anymore
drmaryb
November 12th, 2010
11:30 pm
cp
amen bruh!
drmaryb
November 12th, 2010
11:31 pm
floor general!
find us a damned floor general! we aint had one since mookie left! before that? doc rivers.
ill start punctuating and using grammar when they give me something to talk about!
im outy!
White Chocolate
November 12th, 2010
11:39 pm
I disagree that the team doesn’t have a real leader. There’s a leader in there, it’s just that everyone is not on the same page, and everyone isn’t buying into what the “leader” has to say. JJ and Jamal both feel like they have to take over offensively when the going gets tough and they start to ditch the motion system. Smoove tries to make hero plays down the stretch and starts overdribbling. Al gets good position in the post, but almost never gets the ball passed to him in those situations. The pick and roll and pick and pop become nonexistent unless both Horford and Bibby are in the game and Bibby has the ball. Don’t even get me started on the bench…
Section 303
November 12th, 2010
11:39 pm
What a bunch of losers.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 12th, 2010
11:42 pm
Six wins against sh-tty teams, four losses against good teams.
The Hawks are an 8 seed until proven otherwise.
White Chocolate
November 12th, 2010
11:43 pm
I disagree that the team doesn’t have a true leader. There’s a leader in there, but guys are just not on the same page and are not listening to the “leader” or the “leaders” have different ideas. When the Hawks are head, everything looks pretty good, but once they get into trouble, things start to fall apart. JJ and Jamal seem to think that when the team is in trouble they need to take over offensively and they start to ditch the motion system. Josh starts over-dribbling and trying to make hero plays. Meanwhile, Al Horford gets good position and waits for the pass, but almost never gets the ball passed to him. The motion goes away and effective bread-and-butter plays like the pick and roll and pick and pop are almost completely nonexistent, unless both Bibby and Horford are in at the same time and Bibby has the ball before Joe or Jamal gets a hold of it. The issues run even deeper than that, but don’t even get me started on the bench…
cp
November 12th, 2010
11:43 pm
A leader would have them on the same page. We need a pg. Bibby can still shoot but thats about it. I wont even discuss Teague smh. At this point I would see what Jordan Crawford can do. He cant be any worse than what we are getting from the position now anyway.
Jazz Baby!
November 12th, 2010
11:51 pm
Jerry Sloan has held the 20-20 rule for 20 years!
ILL-logical
November 12th, 2010
11:52 pm
The bad news is that the Hawks lost; the better news is that it is not yt game 10. The issues are correctable. At last the ones regarding the team-the fan base- Now that is a different story.
Jay
November 12th, 2010
11:52 pm
No surprise at all about the empty seats. This is a boring team, full of clumsy (Marvin), over the hill (Bibby, Collins), underachieving (Teague, can’t make a shot to save his life), and pouty (Jamal, SMOOVE, JJ) players, with a coaching staff that is clearly overmatched.
They need to break up this roster, because this set of players isnt working and is failing in the stands.
STRETCH
November 12th, 2010
11:53 pm
Already, these guys arent even listening to Drew and they are only 10 games in. Looking at that photo and the empty seats, its going to be lots and lots more of that to come. Im looking at a 7 or 8 seed.
This is what we get when management sits around all off-season while everyone else makes moves and gets better! The Hawks are like that girlfriend who is an awful cook, but you eat the food anyway eventhough you know its terrible.
If people stay away from the games, it still wont bother ASG, cause they are gonna make their money regardless. THEY DONT CARE WHAT KINDA PRODUCT IS ON THE FLOOR DAY IN AND DAY OUT, ITS ALL ABOUT THE POCKETS!
superiorblogman
November 12th, 2010
11:56 pm
This team is a piece of shi… squad. They could not even draw fans when they had Mookie, Steve, and Dike. Georgia was the second state to get a division of the KKK. Tennessee was the 1st. If that yellow teeth bastar? Stern is smart the two KKK states will be the 1st two teams contracted. To hell with the Grizz and the Hawks they will never be winners in the land of the evil KKK whiteman.
STRETCH
November 12th, 2010
11:58 pm
Its obvious to everyone else but ASG and Sund that this team needs to make a move. But they will do as most Atlanta sports teams do lately(cause they are broke and hardly anyone has interest in them) and stay on the cheap.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 13th, 2010
12:06 am
Damn, this Portland-OKC game is off the hook. For a change, it’s nice to watch two well-constructed, balanced, mentally tough teams, and it’s nice to watch a real superstar.
NorcalHawk
November 13th, 2010
12:15 am
This was my 1st chance to see a Hawks game on TV this season; looked like last season. ESPN announcers pointed out Hawks management has locked its core players into long term contracts. Is that supposed to be a good thing? We’re no match for any team that has a smart coach who teaches playing together.
NorcalHawk
November 13th, 2010
12:20 am
1st Hawks game I’ve seen this season and it looks like we’ve maintained the status quo, if not gotten a bit worse. ESPN announcers pointed out Hawks have inked their core players to longterm deals. Is that supposed to be a good thing? LD is not up to the job of trying to teach this bunch to play together.
Ramon
November 13th, 2010
12:21 am
Detroit Gets:
Jamal
Teague
Zaza
2nd round pick
Atlanta Receives,
Prince
Stuckey
Wallace
superiorblogman
November 13th, 2010
12:24 am
Ramon they probably would do that trade minus Teague and Stuckey.
Ramon
November 13th, 2010
12:30 am
Superior, Stuckey has been in the doghouse in Detroit all season. Or throw in the 1st round pick instead of the 2nd. It works out better because then not obligated for the mandatory salary 1st round picks get over veterans with the CBA coming up.
superiorblogman
November 13th, 2010
12:35 am
Ramon, explain to me how the team would then resign Prince and Stuckey? Prince or Stuckey would take up the close to $6 million that Zaza and Teague would be owed for 2011-12. So, how would you pay the other guy knowing how cheap and incompetent the front office is? Not going to work.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 13th, 2010
12:36 am
I’d gladly do Jamal and Zaza for Prince and Wallace, if Detroit threw in a pick instead of Atlanta.
O'Brien
November 13th, 2010
12:36 am
LD talks a good game. But we haven’t seen it on the court. It makes u wonder about the mental makeup of this team.
MC, Now would be a good time for version 2.0 of “Is rick the only one who believes in this core?”.
I will stay positive and look on the bright side. Losing these games now should help us later on. And it should help LD get his message across.
However, we make too many mistakes. Rebounding, missed FTs, turnovers. We are shooting ourselves in the foot. Inexcusable. Al, where’s the rebounding? What happened to the FTs?
I’m very disappointed in these hawks right now.
I think rick needs to make a move and trade Jamal. He doesn’t want to be here, and he has not bought into the motion offense. Plus for every 4 points he scores, he gives up at least 2. And I really think he throws the rest of the team off.
If I’m LD, I would find a way to get JC2 some minutes. Maybe he provides a spark.
I know its early, but hawks need to step their game up. Our December schedule is not easy either.
superiorblogman
November 13th, 2010
12:42 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2d4bwwf
Marvin, Zaza, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder
for
Danny Granger
superiorblogman
November 13th, 2010
12:51 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27n9vqb
Josh, Zaza, Jamal and a future 1st rounder
for
Danny Granger, Dontae Jones, Roy Hibbert, and Mike Dunleavy Jr.
Scott
November 13th, 2010
1:24 am
this game is a perfect example of why the hawks need a better bench.
the only 2 bench players i see on this team that are good are pachulia and jamal crawford.
how about starting pachulia at center and have williams come off the bench?
superiorblogman
November 13th, 2010
2:02 am
Danny Granger will come 28 during this season and he has never played in a playoff game. Joe Johnson will come 30 this year and he has been the leader of 3 playoff teams and appeared with the Suns in other playoff series. I really think the Pacers will trade Granger if the right deal comes along.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2d4bwwf
Marvin, Zaza, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder
for
Danny Granger
Would be hard to pass up this deal if the Pacers season is looking like it is not going anywhere after say 35 to 40 games. The Pacers have to start thinking that Granger is no more than a player that puts up big numbers on a bad team soon and get something out of him. Just hopefully for the team that gets him the Pacers are wrong.
KevinM
November 13th, 2010
3:12 am
Quote of the night: Lots of standing around on offense……saw lots of iso-Joe….yep, they look different than last year.
tony
November 13th, 2010
4:02 am
MY MY MY! All this trade talk about signing another forward. Sound like Rick Sund. This team isn’t going anywhere until they get a true facilitator(pg) and a true center. I’ve been saying this for 10 years now. The last true facilitator that played in a hawks uni was Mookie Blaylock.
We lost to the Suns and Jazz because they have outstanding facilitators(S.Nash15 assists) and (D.Williams10 assists). We lost to Orlando because of bad coaching and their center D.Howard.
There is one trade I would make in a heartbeat. I would ship Jeff Teague, Jordan Crawford and a 2nd rd pick to Denver for Ty Lawson. Ty Lawson will improve this team immensely. We need a true facilitator in order for this team to compete with the big boys. I wouldn’t do anything else because I’m still not sold on Larry Drew.
superiorblogman
November 13th, 2010
5:08 am
Yeah right, Not even the idiots on this blog are stupid enough to think Ty Lawson is the answer he would be an upgrade but not someone that could get you to the Eastern Conference Finals as an upgrade. On the other hand, a Danny Granger type while giving up say Marvin, Zaza and picks could get you to the Eastern Conference Finals and give you true hope of winning a couple within the next 5 years with the right move or two.
superiorblogman
November 13th, 2010
5:14 am
Bibby/Teague
Joe/Jamal/Jordan
Granger/Evans
Smith/Powell
Horford/Collins
Then trade Jamal and Mo Evans for Dalembert and Donte Greene
New lineup
Bibby/Teague
Joe/Jordan
Granger/Greene
Smith/Powell
Horford/Dalembert
Big 4+ a defensive big off the bench and giving Teague the freedom to run things with Jamal gone would make this team better.
darrell starks
November 13th, 2010
5:33 am
The point guard, and small forward is hurting the hawks bad.
BIBBY RANK AT THE BOTTOM.
MARVIN RANK AT THE BOTTOM.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 13th, 2010
5:35 am
I say put teague out there now and let marvin come off the bench.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 13th, 2010
5:36 am
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS
BENCH JAMAL, MOE, MARVIN, POWEL, ZAZA.
RESERVE BIBBY JC2.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!
Chris
November 13th, 2010
8:16 am
All i got to say is trade Marvin Williams and Maurice Evans for Greg Oden and Luke Babbitt
JeJe.
November 13th, 2010
8:52 am
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TEACH MARVIN HAD TO DRIVE TO THE HOOP, DRAW CONTACT, AND ACTUALLY HANG ONTO THE BALL? I FEEL LIKE IF A BUTTERFLY TOUCHES HIM AS HE GOES UP, HE WILL FALL ON HIS BACK.
JeJe.
November 13th, 2010
8:53 am
*HOW
JeJe.
November 13th, 2010
8:55 am
WHEN JAMAL IS IN THE GAME, HE NEEDS TO TAKE OVER OR BE THE FACILITATOR. IDK WTF HE HAS BEEN DOING THE LAST 3 GAMES
SWITCH UP THE STARTING LINEUP. START COLLINS AND TEAGUE AND BRING BIBBY, JAMAL, MO, DUCK, AND ZAZA AS YOUR BENCH. THAT’S A DAMN GOOD BENCH NOW
jfreak13713
November 13th, 2010
8:55 am
The Hawks have issues at PG and C spot for sure but it’s still early and they do have a lot of talent. I think they will rebound from this slide but without a “guy” to run the offense and a “guy” clog up the middle I’m not sure they can contend with the big boys come playoff time.
Jamal Crawford as good as he is appears to be odd man out? Expiring contract and a vet who can score 20+ nightly! The Hawks will probably move him to improve their team but we’ll just have to wait and see what they get in return?
Mike is back
November 13th, 2010
9:00 am
MC, I knew it would be a struggle…once we started playing some quality opponents…THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE I SEE IN LD…during the 6-0 start…versus now…is the lost confidence in his reserves. I know missed free throws…cost us the game…but that does not excuse…the terrible situational substitution in the fourth quarter…that was our undoing. Now it’s a heavy dose of JJ, AND JC1, AND BIBBY…despite the game situation.
CASE IN POINT…during a critical stretch of the fourth quarter…when we still had the lead…LD brings in JJ…but leaves JC1 in to guard their small PG…DWilliams was on the bench…and the smallest guy on the floor got his team back in the game…beat us… and blocked JC1 shot. lol
Why the sudden over reliance on curtain guys? Have you lost faith in your reserves? I guess its human nature for coaches to rely on their Vets to close out games…but in our case…those are the times…when we relinquish leads and make it easier for the opponent to score. There in lies the dilemma for LD…do I step out the box and give a guy like Marvin, Teague, Zaza, Powell, or Thomas chance to make a play…when we are trying to close out games or do I continue down the same path as my predecessor.
If defense is our problem…why are we going with our weakest defenders…to close out games…How many more losses does he needs to figure that out!!!! TALK IS CHEAP.
Nate ArchiBALL
November 13th, 2010
9:13 am
ZaZa P – Is a basketball personality not a basketball player. Fans like him but I have yet to figure out why…..Minimum offense, zero defense. Will have only 4 or 5 good games a season. Use to be ok on the offensive boards but no more. Boxing in the off season has done nothing for his game. Just as much of a defensive liability as Bibby and Jamal, in fact worst..
Jamal Crawford – Will take time to accept LD’s new offensive scheme. Injuries and contract issue may be affecting his play. Defensive liability.
Jordan Crawford. – bright future but will have to learn how to play defense. Will see limited playing unless one of the guards is injured or Jamal is traded.
Joe Johnson – After several years of Woody ball, it will take a while for JJ to completely buy into LD’s offense. He will have “ISO Joe” flashbacks from time to time. His game will benefit from the reduction in minutes as LD tries to build a bench. Best defensive player in the Hawks backcourt.
Jason Collins – After two years of minimal playing time (400+ minutes two years ago and 120+ minutes under Woody – total mins = 11 games in 2 years), it will take a while to get into playing shape.
Josh Powell – needs playing time to see what he brings to the table.
Al Horford – doesn’t really want to play Center. Worked on his jump shot during the off season – jumper looks good.. In the low post, Al can only go to the right. If he ever went left and used his left hand…….Hasn’t worked on developing his body either. I’m waiting on “All Star Al” to put together a string of 20 pt – 10 rebound games.
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Jeff Teague – Still trying to recover from a rookie year with Woody as his coach. Plays as if he doesn’t want to challenge Bibby for the starting PG job. Would like for Bibby to play so bad that LD hands him the job.
Marvin Williams – just happy to be in the NBA. Loves the money but doesn’t play like he loves the game. Inconsistent play is his only constant. Has he peaked?
Mike Bibby – best PG we have right now – in today’s NBA, which is full of young athletic PG’s this isn’t good. Understands LD’s offense. Defensive liability. Great stand alone 3 point shooter.
Josh Smith – Has proved that one doesn’t need to go to a D1 program to have a good basketball IQ. Shot selection has improved. Passing has improved (add two assists to his numbers if his teammates could make wide open jumpers) Seems to understand (along with Bibby) LD’s offense better than anyone. Worked on his jumper and it shows. Key to the Hawks defense. Defense drops off when he’s not in the game.
bigdave
November 13th, 2010
9:22 am
Mike is Back..
1qrt blown leads and all.. i do agree with you.
big picture folks.. its early.. new system, bad habits to break. taking some tough losses that should build character. im not worried about them “not listening”, i think the Hawks just zone out/lose focus in game situations especially at home.. they forget to do the little things, and concern themselves with trying to be hero.
other than poor bench play, which i dont think will be great but not nearly as bad now that we’re healthy, what has been consistent in these losses is giving up 2nd chance points.
Atticus
November 13th, 2010
9:35 am
Same BS, making big deals out of meaningless games winning 6 in a row and then losing 4. A collection of mentally weak players with a joke ownership group = playoff success.
darrell starks
November 13th, 2010
9:47 am
BIG DAVE, it’s not poor bench play it your bibby and marvin in the starting line up, LD have 2 make a change it’s going on 4year now with bibby and marvin we no what they can do let try somthing new in order 2 improve this team, all of the great coaches do it why every year bring out the same line up BIBBY, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD, LD IS SMARTER ENOUGH AS COACH 2 RECOGNIZE HIS WEEKNEST.
GO HAwks!!!!!!!
darrell starks
November 13th, 2010
9:55 am
When horford starte at power forward his game is better as you can see.
Josh is much better than marvin at the 3 plus you can post him up more against the smaller forward, teague just put him out there and see what he can do atleast his defense is way better than bibby, and when bibby is missing his shot’s he is useless because of his defense, and every one is screaming big man, collins is 7′0 just let him be the enforcer who box out and rebound thats it.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
gcs
November 13th, 2010
11:08 am
Does anyone have firelarrydrew.com up yet?
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lenaqt
November 13th, 2010
11:13 am
The Hawks need in inside game. Too much jump shooting. Post up and get to the basket.
Geemack
November 13th, 2010
11:18 am
darrell starks
The problems the Hawks are having can’t be solved with by pulling Bibby and Marvin out of the line up.
The biggest challenge is the core’s not the right mix of players. The biggest difference between the elite teams and the Hawks is the passion for winning. New players are needed to inject a different mentallity into the Hawks.
Double Zero Eight
November 13th, 2010
11:32 am
Atlanta……….”We have a problem”. There is a lack of team chemistry. Crawford is sulking. We need a true center to compete with the elite teams. MW is about as good as he is going to get.
I don’t see us even beating Milwaukee in the playoffs without a big man if Bogut is healthy.
terrell
November 13th, 2010
11:52 am
Double Zero Eight, NEW HEAD COACH, NEW SCHEME, NEW PLAYERS, NEW PHILOSOPHY. These things take time. Cant happen overnight. And who is this TRUE CENTER you speak of? I have to agree with you on JC and Marvin though. Jamal wants out, and Marvin is back to being Marvin.
truthspitter
November 13th, 2010
12:36 pm
I swear I have a life and wont post as much but all I did was change my name. I still think I’m smarter than everybody on here yet i suggest the dumbest trades on here daily. I post as much as anybody on here but that doesn’t count because I’m smart. Who cares if my trades are unrealistic or that i can never refute facts when in debate.
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
1:14 pm
The AJC Hawks page is a freaking mess
Not only does it take time just to figure out where the most recent post in the blog is (or to find the right page), there are like 8 blogs open on AJC Hawks page at all times and more keep being posted. Where the hell are we supposed to post?
AND I’M READY NOW, CLYDE
FIRE DREW, FIRE SUND
SELL THE TEAM
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
1:15 pm
THIS TEAM IS SOFT
IT DOES NOT PLAY DEFENSE CONSISTENTLY AND NO ONE IS SCARED OF US
MINNY IS ON A 2 GM WINNING STREAK AND BEASLEY AND LOVE ARE ON FIRE. AND ALSO TORONTO BEAT ORLANDO.
LOSS TOMORROW
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
1:18 pm
MAKE A TRADE
OFFER JAMAL, MARVIN, AND PICKS FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE SMALL FORWARD OUT THERE.
WE DO NOT NEED MORE DRAFT PICKS
SO, LIKE I SAID:
1) OFFER JAMAL, MARVIN, AND PICKS FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE SMALL FORWARD OUT THERE. (CARMELO WHERE U AT?)
2) OFFER A FIRST ROUNDER FOR DAHNTAY JONES ON INDY. THEY WANT TO TRADE HIM – HE COSTS AS MUCH AS MO DOES AND IS A RUGGED DEFENDER
3) THIS TEAM NEEDS MORE JERKS. EVERYONE ON THIS TEAM IS QUIET AND SOFT. EVEN HORFORD IS SOFT. LOOK AT THE GUY. HE LOOKS LIKE HE HAS NEVER BEEN IN A WEIGHT ROOM BEFORE
4) THE REASON THE LAKERS ARE SO DOMINANT IS NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR STARS, BUT THEY HAVE @$$HOLES LIKE ARTEST, BARNES, AND EVEN ODOM WHO ARE NOT AFRAID OF A CONFRONTATION OR TECHNICAL
I HAVE NOT SEEN A HAWK PLAYER GET IN AN ALTERCATION SINCE ZAZA 3 YEARS AGO, AND BEFORE THAT, PROBABLY STEPHEN JACKSON VS. LEBRON IN LEBRON’S ROOKIE YEAR OR SHAREEF VS. KENNY THOMAS LIKE 8 YEARS AGO
GROW A PAIR AND STOP BEING SOFT
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
1:19 pm
THIS TEAM IS THE SAME AS ANY GOLDEN STATE TEAM FROM THE LAST 5 YEARS, WITH SLIGHTLY MORE TALENTED PLAYERS
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
1:25 pm
I’VE NEVER SEEN MARVIN GO UP FOR A LAYUP, DRAW CONTACT, AND FINISH THE PLAY. HOW CAN U BE 6″9, 230 AND BE SOFT LIKE TOILET TISSUE? I THINK MATT FREIJE COULD’VE FINISHED 3 OF THOSE PLAYS LAST NIGHT
JESUS
Marvin Willaims fan
November 13th, 2010
1:29 pm
Marvin is not the problem in Atlanta, Hell, he doesnt get enough shots to impact this team… the problems are easy to see..
1.Drew is playing the wrong starting lineup,it should be Twin,Al,Josh,Joe,Bibby.The hawks never play guys at their natural position….You will not win a ring with Al playing center..he is only 6ft8….he would kill most pf though…Josh would be an all star at Sf…Marvin should come off the bench, and Drew should call more plays for Marvin….Give him a break last night,you could clearly see his knee isnt 100%….
2.Joe refuses to take his game to the next level….Simply not good enough….no heart..
3.Jamal has been terrible this year..the first good deal Sund gets,he has to take it….this guy is killing us…
Marvin Williams fan
November 13th, 2010
1:31 pm
Excuse my spelling
mgm
November 13th, 2010
1:37 pm
I really was upset when Joe received that contract because I knew that was the end of this organization for the next ten years. The Hawks are going to be mired in mediocrity. What is so frustrating is you have a solid couple of players in Josh and Al to build a serious team around. But Joe isn’t a superstar and now we are stuck with it. Sure, they will make the playoffs and then make an early exit for a few years with this team. But that is what we had in the 80s and 90s and nobody wants that. We won’t even get a good draft pick as a consolation any more. Boy this sucks.
Sautee
November 13th, 2010
1:40 pm
Double Zero Eight,
about this: “I don’t see us even beating Milwaukee in the playoffs without a big man if Bogut is healthy.”
Just for your information, here’s how Bogut matched up with Horford last year (before his injury):
2/28/10 in ATL:
Bogut: 14 pts 9 reb
Horford: 17 pts 10 reb
3/22/10 in MIL:
Bogut: 9 pts 11 reb
Horford: 12 pts 12 reb
Our “little” Big Man did just fine against Bogut, so why do folks NOW think that Bogut would make such a difference?
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
1:43 pm
Bogut is a big dude. No way Horford can beat him on boards this year. That team could be scary with Jennings, Salmons, and Maggette out there
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
1:47 pm
HORFORD HAS 19 REBOUNDS IN THE LAST 3 GAMES AND DOES NOT BLOCK SHOTS
YEAH, GREAT DEFENDER U GUYS!
Sautee
November 13th, 2010
2:02 pm
Jeje,
Yeah I was the first to mention his 19 rebounds in three games. That’s totally unacceptable for Al and I’m sure he knows it. But has Bogut gotten taller since last year? If Horford could hold him to those stats last year, why not now?
And remember, it was Horford and David Lee who were named to the All-Star game by the coaches and NOT Bogut.
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
2:04 pm
Sautee, I’m pretty sure I’d take a healthy Bogut over Horford. Horford is thin and only 6″9 (if even that). I can’t explain their h2h stats, but Milwaukee could’ve won that series vs us in Spring with Bogut. Imagine if MIchael Redd was actually healthy too
superiorblogman
November 13th, 2010
2:20 pm
Josh Smith has been a big problem this year. You put the guy in a couple of commercials now he wants the ball more and starts whining about guys missing him but he along with Joe turn the ball over the most on the team so-far. So, Josh is missing guys himself when he turns the ball over. Josh also dribbles too much, people are quick to point it out when it comes to Joe but Josh does also. Everytime Josh gets a defensive rebound he brings the ball up the court and tries to be a Point Forward and he is not good at it. Everytime he runs the break he passes it to Bibby and teams will soon catch on to that. Furthermore, it is not the sound play most of the time. Josh is simply look to stuff the stat sheet not make the team better. He needs to be put in his place as a finisher not a playmaker but who will put this little whiny crybaby in his place? Larry Drew was a bad hire. I could see Mark Jackson, Avery Johnson, or Jeff Van Gundy putting Josh in his place.
Sautee
November 13th, 2010
2:23 pm
I see that Kevin Love had 31 rebounds against the Knicks.
Let’s see, the way Horford has played lately, that’s about 6 games worth.
Step it up, Al.
Sautee
November 13th, 2010
2:28 pm
Jeje,
about this: “I can’t explain their h2h stats, but Milwaukee could’ve won that series vs us in Spring with Bogut.”
OK, if you can’t explain the head to head stats, then please explain WHY you think the Bucks would have won the series? Why wouldn’t Horford have similar success against Bogut in the playoffs?
And, by the way, 6′ 9″ 245 is NOT “thin”.
JeJe
November 13th, 2010
2:29 pm
Sautee, give me a break. Horford vs. Bogut is a fairly equal matchup. I’m pretty sure 99% of this board agrees that Bogut playing is better than Kurt Thomas or whatever washed up scrub they had out there
Sautee
November 13th, 2010
2:39 pm
Jeje,
If, as you just said, Bogut vs. Horford is a fairly equal matchup, then WHY do you think they would win the series just because they had a healthy Bogut?
Yes, I agree that Bogut is better than Kurt Thomas, but he can’t defend Horford as well as Thomas did. I just have the opinion that we were STILL the better team in that series and we played down to their level. Had Bogut been there, in my opinion, we might not have been as complacent, but we STILL win the series.
I like Bogut, and think his game is still developing. But you can’t deny the head to head stats. Which showed Horford completely negating any edge Bogut might have given the Bucks.
lewis
November 13th, 2010
3:35 pm
Plain to see that the team gives up on the motion offense every time the 4th quarter rolls around. JJ is still as predictable as ever, as is Jamal. Zaza is a failure.
rebuild around:
JJ
Al
Josh
Jordan
Teague
Clyde
November 13th, 2010
4:17 pm
Al Horford has 6 blocks this year.
Clyde
November 13th, 2010
4:22 pm
The new contracts the Hawks gave to Bibby, Zaza, Marvin, Joe, and Horford will destroy the Hawks. These players didn’t deserve a dime.
Clyde
November 13th, 2010
4:31 pm
We gave Horford a new contract to let folks walk down the lane but won’t give our second leading scorer nothing. #wheretheydodatat
Clyde
November 13th, 2010
4:33 pm
Al Horford is the worst defensive center in the league.
Clyde
November 13th, 2010
4:36 pm
The Spirit Group said they didn’t want to move Horford to PF because they like him at center.
SHAKING MY GOT DAM HEAD
AOL Time Warner > The Spirit Group
Clyde
November 13th, 2010
4:39 pm
SELL THE TEAM
JeJe.
November 13th, 2010
6:19 pm
THIS TEAM HAS FUN IN THE 1ST HALF, THEN ONCE THE END OF THE GAME GETS CLOSER, IT CHOKES
FIRE SUND
northcyde
November 13th, 2010
6:20 pm
You people talking about JJ and the ISO . . were we watching the same game?
JJ had 3 FG attempts TOTAL in the 4th quarter. The Hawks were trying to run offense in the 4th, but couldn’t convert or missed FTs.
So when an ISO play for JJ is called, people are still complaining? Granted, JJ wasn’t successful on one shot, and got ripped by AK47 in another instance. But it’s not like we had a lot of stuff working down the stretch.
So what were the Hawks supposed to do offensively? Work the ball around to get Marvin or Smoove an open jumper?
JJ was 9 – 14 FG going into the 4th. If anything, he shoud’ve been looking to shoot the ball everytime. But some of you are acting like . . (a) he shouldn’t be shooting the ball at all to play “hero” . . or (b) no individual plays should be called for him, even if he has it going.
It’s funny how fans want him to take over a game like a superstar, but get mad at him when he takes superstar-like shots.
O'Brien
November 13th, 2010
7:03 pm
I would like to see Marvin step his game up. We need him to play well offensively so that Jamal can get less minutes. Jamal has not bought into the motion offense, and his defense and free lancing is bad.
Sautee,
One reason why Milwaukee is so tough on us, is that they have bought into their coach, and they have good role players.
As for Al and his rebounding, I notice that his rebounding has gotten worse since he moved to PF. I dont know why, because Josh still gets his rebounds from the SF position.
Al really needs to step his game up. And the Hawks as a whole need to play better
northcyde,
Some people will never be satisfied. If JJ does not take lot of shots (even if the team wins), they complain that he is overpaid for what he brings to the table. If he takes a lot of shots, and they lose, they blame him.
The only way they will be satisfied is if he goes 15 for 15 and the Hawks win.
Sautee
November 13th, 2010
8:14 pm
O’Brien,
Yeah, it’s weird. But I’m sure when the ball is coming off the rim, there’s not a player in the league who is thinking about what position they play.
Or at least I sure hope so.
You’re right about him needing to step it up.
Nique's Revenge
November 13th, 2010
8:30 pm
FIRE JOKE JOHNSON
Ra'mon
November 13th, 2010
8:40 pm
O’Brien and Sautee, here’s a question for you guys. While we agree that Horford is close to untouchable. IF, big IF, he was to be dealt (packaged with Jamal). Who do you think the Hawks would have to acquire to see that trade as a win?
My trade of the day (Grandad, I’m bored lol)…
Hawks Get:
Jason Thompson
Samuel Dalembert
Francis Garcia
Kings Get
Jamal Crawford
Zaza Pachulia
Mo Evans
And 1st round pick.
Thompson is in the doghouse in Sac for some crazy reason. And the Kings really like the front court of Cousins and Landry. Zaza produces a little less than Dalembert, but also cost half the price of Dalembert. Thompson is able to play PF or C, which would make the bench even more versatile. Garcia at 6-7 is a valuable player. But his price tag is 2x as much as Evans. And Sac would love to have a scorer come off the bench like Jamal. They could look at a possible tandem of Jamal and Evans together as being dynamic.
Nique's Revenge
November 13th, 2010
8:42 pm
whattttttttttttttttt
u trade jamal but not joke johnson? whatevaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
jamal > joke
Ra'mon
November 13th, 2010
9:04 pm
Nique, Jamal will never be even half the player Joe is. Because Jamal only plays on one side of the game, and that’s offense. Joe (by a wide margin) is the Hawks best perimeter defender. And he’s arguably the best perimeter defense in the division. While Jamal acts as if he’s allergic to defense. Jamal’s defense is so terrible he couldn’t guard a safe house with General Patton as his coach, and Colin Powell as his wing man. Jamal is so ignorant of HOW to play defense, the first time LD mentioned defense in training camp, Jamal pulled out his Home Depot savings card. When you’re a one dimensional player, you will never be considered a champion.
O'Brien
November 13th, 2010
9:08 pm
Ramon,
If Hawks were to trade horford and Jamal, in return, they would probably expect a legit all star PG, or a legit all star center.
I am cool with your trade of the day. And since dalembert is expiring, hawks can let him walk if they want.
If Garcia plays SG, we would need to sign a backup SF though, which would mean using up the 15th roster spot.
If Garcia plays SF, then that means more minutes for JS2 at SG.
Ramon
November 13th, 2010
9:19 pm
O’brien, Garcia is listed as a SG. However, he’s 6′7 with a long wingspan. And he’s a hustle player. So I couldn’t see him being any worse at the SF position than Evans (who isn’t a pushover himself). And I agree about Dalembert. He comes off the books. Takes a pay cut if he returns. And the Hawks front court is set for the next 3 seasons. Also as you said this will allow more time for JC2.
O'Brien
November 13th, 2010
10:40 pm
Ramon,
I would make that trade. Jamal has not bought into the motion offense, whereas Garcia likely will. Plus Damelbert is averaging 8 rebounds and 2 blocks per game in 24 minutes.
However, as with all these trades, it takes two teams to tango. And I just dont know if Sacramento will do it.
I think Rick messed up when he didnt trade Jamal after resigning JJ and drafting Jordan. And now we are forced to watch and wonder how the season will play out.
Big Ray
November 13th, 2010
10:52 pm
Al’s rebounding bothers me. I don’t know what his deal is. He’s slacking off in that area, while Josh is picking it up. Weird, but it is what it is.
Those missed free throws were absolute killers. Al’s were the worst, but you know it’s bad when other guys who are normally good at it, start missing them.
Najeh Davenpoop
November 13th, 2010
11:05 pm
The Hawks’ problems have more to do with mentality than they do with talent or scoring. Francisco Garcia would help on the wings, but he’s not going to change the mentality of the team.
I still like the Prince and Wallace for Jamal and Zaza idea (although the idea of any team taking on the remaining years of Zaza’s contract is laughable). Those two guys would come in here and instantly upgrade the mental toughness of the team.
Ra'mon
November 13th, 2010
11:38 pm
Najeh, I would love that deal also. Its just the make up of the trade partner. Detroit has Gordon still, where Sac has no scoring guard (Evans is great but not a pure scorer, just a straight baller, lol). Either trade makes the Hawks better defensively. Although I must say I like the idea of having Thompson backing up Josh, and having Powell being the reserve.
Melvin
November 14th, 2010
12:14 am
How you guys feel about a Jamal for Kirk Hinrich trade? I wonder if the Hawks would be willing to committ an extra year for Hinrich contract. However, I’m not sure if the Wizards would be willing to give up Hinrich but Jamal’s expiring contract may be enticing enough for them to pull the trigger.
cp
November 14th, 2010
1:08 am
I read that Jarret Jack is available. He is a guy a lot of folks on here wanted when Bibby was a free agent….
mykhalc
November 14th, 2010
1:46 am
break ‘em up!!! bad chemistry…unbalanced roster…NO LEADERS!!!! L.D. is only a partial fresh start. break ‘em up !! BUT before that PLEASE puts Marvin’s azz on the bench…PLEASE!!!! sad…really sad that the same discussions have carried over for 5 years on this blog!! NOTHIN’ has been fixed except gettin’ rid of Woodson…and that was 3yrs to late!!! SAD!!!!
superiorblogman
November 14th, 2010
2:26 am
Move the team out of Georgia. Too many devilish KKK remainders in Georgia to ever support basketball. They like football because they like to see blacks hurt each other. Rick Sund is a piece of shi… So, is the ASG. Move this piece of shi.. franchise out of Atlanta. They are done. They will lose to the Twolves 2morrow also because they are tired of each other and hate each other. Josh Smith is the main culprit. He wants to be the star so bad that he has turned into a hating little biatch.
oldtimer
November 14th, 2010
7:26 am
So while Hawks are losing at home, do fans start missing Woody? Is it better to win with the ISO heavy ball, or play like a real basketball team with a future while losing now?
My point is that Hawks fans have to have patience. For this team which relied for years on ISO ball, it is going to take time to even things out. Remember at the end Drew’s system makes Hawks a real basketball team, and the last 3-4 games don’t really count, as Hawks been playing with no small forward. Hang in there, as team adjusts to new style, and small forwards get healthy.
Go Hawks
steve
November 14th, 2010
8:14 am
marvin williams must have some naked picutures of some hawks staff members why is this dude allowed to just not do nothing for over 5yrs in the top basketball league in the world and be a starter thats why they can’t win you get nothing from the small forword spot.It;s just like having a weak hitting firstbaseman he;s not a nba player go over sea;s marvin get your game right.
Ramon
November 14th, 2010
8:51 am
By the way guys, Utah did the same thing to Charlotte last night. That’s five games in a row.
JeJe.
November 14th, 2010
9:33 am
THE WAY THIS TEAM PLAYS, IT WILL ALWAYS HAVE A CHANCE OF BEATING ANY TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE.
IT WILL ALSO HAVE A CHANCE OF LOSING TO ANY TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE THE WAY IT PLAYS DEFENSE
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS OF 2010-2011
JeJe.
November 14th, 2010
9:51 am
Jamal for Hinrich?
LOL! What a HORRENDOUS trade
JeJe.
November 14th, 2010
10:45 am
IF MARVIN IS STILL HURTING, WHY IS HE PLAYING?
CAN’T OUR COACHES SEE THAT EVERY TIME HE MAKES CONTACT WITH A PLAYER, HE FALLS TO THE GROUND?
BENCH HIM OR TRADE HIM
drmaryb (*_*)
November 14th, 2010
10:48 am
i would trade marvin before jamal. he looks off, joe looks like he’s crazy too.
lewis
November 14th, 2010
11:23 am
if Marvin could just simply hit a stand-still wide open 3 consistently, he’d be a lot closer to the likes of Kirilenko, R. Jefferson and Ron Artest. He’s too active with his feet while he’s in the air. It’s like, damn Marvin, chill out on those foot-kicking jumpers
lukas
November 14th, 2010
12:11 pm
Ramon,
I like the idea of Francisco Garcia in this team, coming of the bench of course. Team player, great motivator, leadership skills, like to play defense, hustle, can play PG, SG, and SF, good shooter. I think the trade you proposed could improve the Hawks bench at least 50% over what we have now.
drmaryb
November 14th, 2010
12:13 pm
Nash Potatoes!
Hey! Maybe Steve Nash is ready for a change in scenery?
HoopsHype Rumors reported:
Steve Nash has announced that he and wife Alejandra are in the process of a divorce. The Phoenix Suns’ point guard and two-time NBA most valuable player revealed the situation in a statement Saturday, a day after the birth of the couple’s son, Matteo. ESPN.com
PHOENIX SUNS, STEVE NASH | SHARE
He said in the statement to Life & Style Magazine that he and his wife have lived separately for several months but remain firmly committed to raising their children “in the most positive, nurturing way possible.” The couple, together for nine years and married since 2005, also has 6-year-old twin daughters, Lola and Bella. “I want only good things for Ale going forward,” Nash said. “I’m focused on ensuring that our children understand how much they’re adored and loved by us as they continue to adjust to these changes. I would ask that their privacy, and ours as a family, be respected as we move forward. This will be my only statement on this.” ESPN.com
drmaryb
November 14th, 2010
12:16 pm
that’s a lot of latino names in nash’s article, perhaps his wife is a latin woman?
im just wonderin’?
cp
November 14th, 2010
12:28 pm
O’Brien we have been waiting on Marvin to step it up for years now. Dude has been in the league for what now 6 years? If it aint happened by now it just aint gone happen. What you see with the invisible man is what you get… A good game followed by a few average games sprinkle in some invisible games then another good game and that equals Marvin.. Dude just has no impact on the game. Its time to let some other team try to tap into this so called potential he supposedly still has…. When he was on that break the other night I knew he wouldn’t be able to finish at the rim and what do you know he blowed the shot. How are you that tall with those long arms and cant finish at the rim over anybody smh.
JeJe
November 14th, 2010
12:45 pm
1) Marvin CANNOT draw contact and finish a play. Dude ends up on the ground any time he is touched
2) This team is soft. Where are the confrontations? Where are the technical fouls? These guys play no defense and let teams run over them
PICK A FIGHT
COMMIT A HARD FOUL
DO SOMETHING
lewis
November 14th, 2010
12:49 pm
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/shaun_powell/11/11/hawks/index.html
Rod from College Park
November 14th, 2010
1:23 pm
Still having these Marvin debates? The guy is useless. I told you that 3 years ago. I seriously doubt that he would still be in the league if it was not for the Hawks. His game was terrible 4 years ago, and he has not done one thing to improve his game. As long as we keep playing 4 against 5 will will continue to have the same problems.
JeJe
November 14th, 2010
1:37 pm
LOL Rod from CP.
4 on 5? More like 3 on 5. Bibby is that bad 80 % of the time.
Marvin is SOFT. He has NEVER stated his desire to be a star in this league.
He has publicly stated on MULTIPLE occasions that he dislikes watching basketball games.
He CANNOT finish at the basket after drawing contact. He gets the ball stripped EVERY time there’s a defender there.
Dude sucks and is soft. He WOULD NOT START ON ANY OTHER PLAYOFF TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE
Rod from College Park
November 14th, 2010
2:00 pm
Totally agree JeJe. Bibby is at least a threat offensively. Teams don’t guard Marvin, or when they do, they put guys like Boobie Gibson on him.
terrell
November 14th, 2010
2:21 pm
How bout a little energy fellas? Omg! Startin to look like Woody’s Hawks. And why is Marvin starting? I like the other lineup. Bring his butt off the bench. I gues those 1st 3 out of 4 games were a fluke. Must’ve realized he was still Marvin.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 14th, 2010
2:22 pm
It’s actually 3 against 5. Marvin is useless, and so is Mike Bibby. All he’s good for is occasionally getting hot and knocking down a few long jumpers every other game or 2. The rest of his game is trash.
Other teams have random guys off the bench that can just come in and occasionally get hot because they are good jump shooters (james jones, eddie house, jason kapono, etc.)….are these people you would really want as starters at their positions??? no.
We need a real PG that can compete with these good PGs so many other teams seem to have nowadays.
~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)
November 14th, 2010
2:24 pm
lol @ JeJe bringing it up before I did……I hadnt even read past Rod’s post before I commented.
I agree 3 on 5