Atlanta Hawks: Jazz 90, Hawks 86

Deron Williams and the Jazz slipped past the Hawks. (AP Photo)

Deron Williams and the Jazz slipped past the Hawks. (AP Photo)

–When things got tight down the stretch, you could see the Jazz thrive on the situation as the Hawks started hiccuping. Before the game, L.D. praised the Jazz for their mental toughness and discipline and then the Hawks saw exactly what he meant. Utah rallied for a W for the fourth straight game.

– “They are a team that has no quit in them,” L.D. said. “At no point in the game could we relax or take possessions off because this is a team that’s going to be solid for 48 minutes. We may get a little lead in them, but they have no quit in them.”

– It’s not like the Hawks quit, either. It’s just that for the third time in the last four games they weren’t good enough to finish off a quality opponent. Viewed in isolation, this wasn’t such a terrible loss for the Hawks. But placed in the context of those losses to Phoenix and Orlando and the surrender against Milwaukee, this was a game the Hawks couldn’t lose.

– It’s still early in the season but no doubt the Hawks are in crisis mode. “We have to learn how to grind in crunch-time situations,” L.D. said. “We’ve got to make the plays.”

– They did that when the opponents weren’t so tough. “I didn’t get too excited about 6-0 because we weren’t playing playoff teams,” J.J.said. “Now we are playing playoff teams.”

– He’s probably discounting the 6-0 start too much considering the four road Ws and signs of growth when it comes to closing out close games away from Philips. But clearly the Hawks have a lot of work to do to be considered anything but a middling playoff team in the East.

– Asked before the game how the Hawks could avoid another debacle like the Bucks game, L.D. said: “Make some shots.” Well, the Hawks made nearly half of their shots (35 of 71) and still loss thanks missing 11 of 21 free throws and giving up 15 offensive rebounds.

– On the free throws, L.D. said: “We work on them and practice. You just have to step up, focus and concentrate and knock your free throws down.” On the rebounds, he said the Hawks spent all of Thursday’s practice working on defense, with two sessions devoted to rebounding: “It’s a problem. It won’t be fixed until we get into our mindset that we have to pay more attention and be more focused. It will be worked on every day in practice, I can tell you that. It won’t be something we will let slide.”

– L.D. talks about focus and concentration and mindset, then you see the Hawks can’t execute the things he spends so much time on and you wonder if he can get this group of guys to do those kinds of things all the time.

– The Hawks made fundamental mistakes down the stretch.

Marvin had a fastbreak layup and could neither score nor get fouled and instead fumbled the ball out of bounds

Smoove tried to feed Al for a lob dunk that wasn’t there and Deron Williams broke it up.

Kirilenko stole the ball from J.J.

– The Hawks played a great defensive possession, forcing Milsap to a rush a 3-point attempt, but left Al Jefferson alone to rebound the miss.

– And then Al missed the free throws. “It’s a tough loss to take,” Al said. “We were tough and we hung in there. I have to take the blame for not knocking down those free throws at the end. But I will just have to keep working because I know I will be back in that situation again.”

– “They just made plays to win the game,” Josh said.

– “We just have to put this behind us and move on,” J.J. said.

– Marvin seemed to be moving OK but he missed some easy baskets. Mo had s strong stint in the first half with three rebounds in eight minutes.

– The bench held the lead in the first half and extended it in the third quarter. All of the starters were back in after the Jazz tied it at 78-78.

– L.D. has instituted what he calls a “20-20″ rule: Guys who don’t play 20 minutes in a game now will do 20 minutes of cardio work after. So Zaza, JC2, Teague and Powell ran sprints and Twin hit the treadmill. I’m guessing Mo was exempt because he’s coming off an injury.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

116 comments Add your comment

drmaryb

November 12th, 2010
11:25 pm

i like the 20-20 rule. but, dennis rodman rode the bike after every game, “no-rule’ he just gave a damn!

drmaryb

November 12th, 2010
11:28 pm

look at all those empty seats in that photo. that’s what the ASKG deserve!

aye sund! find us a damned Super-Star to come in here! we aint got no Big-Three!

cp

November 12th, 2010
11:28 pm

L.D. talks about focus and concentration and mindset, then you see the Hawks can’t execute the things he spends so much time on and you wonder if he can get this group of guys to do those kinds of things all the time

MC didn’t you mention before in a blog that Woodson had a similar problem getting them to do all those things? If so then it might be time to realize that these guys just don’t have that mental makeup..They don’t have a real leader out there and it shows….We still need a pg and better production from the sf position. I just dont know about this team anymore

drmaryb

November 12th, 2010
11:30 pm

cp

amen bruh!

drmaryb

November 12th, 2010
11:31 pm

floor general!

find us a damned floor general! we aint had one since mookie left! before that? doc rivers.
ill start punctuating and using grammar when they give me something to talk about!

im outy!

White Chocolate

November 12th, 2010
11:39 pm

I disagree that the team doesn’t have a real leader. There’s a leader in there, it’s just that everyone is not on the same page, and everyone isn’t buying into what the “leader” has to say. JJ and Jamal both feel like they have to take over offensively when the going gets tough and they start to ditch the motion system. Smoove tries to make hero plays down the stretch and starts overdribbling. Al gets good position in the post, but almost never gets the ball passed to him in those situations. The pick and roll and pick and pop become nonexistent unless both Horford and Bibby are in the game and Bibby has the ball. Don’t even get me started on the bench…

Section 303

November 12th, 2010
11:39 pm

What a bunch of losers.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 12th, 2010
11:42 pm

Six wins against sh-tty teams, four losses against good teams.

The Hawks are an 8 seed until proven otherwise.

White Chocolate

November 12th, 2010
11:43 pm

I disagree that the team doesn’t have a true leader. There’s a leader in there, but guys are just not on the same page and are not listening to the “leader” or the “leaders” have different ideas. When the Hawks are head, everything looks pretty good, but once they get into trouble, things start to fall apart. JJ and Jamal seem to think that when the team is in trouble they need to take over offensively and they start to ditch the motion system. Josh starts over-dribbling and trying to make hero plays. Meanwhile, Al Horford gets good position and waits for the pass, but almost never gets the ball passed to him. The motion goes away and effective bread-and-butter plays like the pick and roll and pick and pop are almost completely nonexistent, unless both Bibby and Horford are in at the same time and Bibby has the ball before Joe or Jamal gets a hold of it. The issues run even deeper than that, but don’t even get me started on the bench…

cp

November 12th, 2010
11:43 pm

A leader would have them on the same page. We need a pg. Bibby can still shoot but thats about it. I wont even discuss Teague smh. At this point I would see what Jordan Crawford can do. He cant be any worse than what we are getting from the position now anyway.

Jazz Baby!

November 12th, 2010
11:51 pm

Jerry Sloan has held the 20-20 rule for 20 years!

ILL-logical

November 12th, 2010
11:52 pm

The bad news is that the Hawks lost; the better news is that it is not yt game 10. The issues are correctable. At last the ones regarding the team-the fan base- Now that is a different story.

Jay

November 12th, 2010
11:52 pm

No surprise at all about the empty seats. This is a boring team, full of clumsy (Marvin), over the hill (Bibby, Collins), underachieving (Teague, can’t make a shot to save his life), and pouty (Jamal, SMOOVE, JJ) players, with a coaching staff that is clearly overmatched.

They need to break up this roster, because this set of players isnt working and is failing in the stands.

STRETCH

November 12th, 2010
11:53 pm

Already, these guys arent even listening to Drew and they are only 10 games in. Looking at that photo and the empty seats, its going to be lots and lots more of that to come. Im looking at a 7 or 8 seed.

This is what we get when management sits around all off-season while everyone else makes moves and gets better! The Hawks are like that girlfriend who is an awful cook, but you eat the food anyway eventhough you know its terrible.

If people stay away from the games, it still wont bother ASG, cause they are gonna make their money regardless. THEY DONT CARE WHAT KINDA PRODUCT IS ON THE FLOOR DAY IN AND DAY OUT, ITS ALL ABOUT THE POCKETS!

superiorblogman

November 12th, 2010
11:56 pm

This team is a piece of shi… squad. They could not even draw fans when they had Mookie, Steve, and Dike. Georgia was the second state to get a division of the KKK. Tennessee was the 1st. If that yellow teeth bastar? Stern is smart the two KKK states will be the 1st two teams contracted. To hell with the Grizz and the Hawks they will never be winners in the land of the evil KKK whiteman.

STRETCH

November 12th, 2010
11:58 pm

Its obvious to everyone else but ASG and Sund that this team needs to make a move. But they will do as most Atlanta sports teams do lately(cause they are broke and hardly anyone has interest in them) and stay on the cheap.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 13th, 2010
12:06 am

Damn, this Portland-OKC game is off the hook. For a change, it’s nice to watch two well-constructed, balanced, mentally tough teams, and it’s nice to watch a real superstar.

NorcalHawk

November 13th, 2010
12:15 am

This was my 1st chance to see a Hawks game on TV this season; looked like last season. ESPN announcers pointed out Hawks management has locked its core players into long term contracts. Is that supposed to be a good thing? We’re no match for any team that has a smart coach who teaches playing together.

NorcalHawk

November 13th, 2010
12:20 am

1st Hawks game I’ve seen this season and it looks like we’ve maintained the status quo, if not gotten a bit worse. ESPN announcers pointed out Hawks have inked their core players to longterm deals. Is that supposed to be a good thing? LD is not up to the job of trying to teach this bunch to play together.

Ramon

November 13th, 2010
12:21 am

Detroit Gets:
Jamal
Teague
Zaza
2nd round pick

Atlanta Receives,
Prince
Stuckey
Wallace

superiorblogman

November 13th, 2010
12:24 am

Ramon they probably would do that trade minus Teague and Stuckey.

Ramon

November 13th, 2010
12:30 am

Superior, Stuckey has been in the doghouse in Detroit all season. Or throw in the 1st round pick instead of the 2nd. It works out better because then not obligated for the mandatory salary 1st round picks get over veterans with the CBA coming up.

superiorblogman

November 13th, 2010
12:35 am

Ramon, explain to me how the team would then resign Prince and Stuckey? Prince or Stuckey would take up the close to $6 million that Zaza and Teague would be owed for 2011-12. So, how would you pay the other guy knowing how cheap and incompetent the front office is? Not going to work.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 13th, 2010
12:36 am

I’d gladly do Jamal and Zaza for Prince and Wallace, if Detroit threw in a pick instead of Atlanta.

O'Brien

November 13th, 2010
12:36 am

LD talks a good game. But we haven’t seen it on the court. It makes u wonder about the mental makeup of this team.

MC, Now would be a good time for version 2.0 of “Is rick the only one who believes in this core?”.

I will stay positive and look on the bright side. Losing these games now should help us later on. And it should help LD get his message across.

However, we make too many mistakes. Rebounding, missed FTs, turnovers. We are shooting ourselves in the foot. Inexcusable. Al, where’s the rebounding? What happened to the FTs?

I’m very disappointed in these hawks right now.

I think rick needs to make a move and trade Jamal. He doesn’t want to be here, and he has not bought into the motion offense. Plus for every 4 points he scores, he gives up at least 2. And I really think he throws the rest of the team off.

If I’m LD, I would find a way to get JC2 some minutes. Maybe he provides a spark.

I know its early, but hawks need to step their game up. Our December schedule is not easy either.

superiorblogman

November 13th, 2010
12:42 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2d4bwwf

Marvin, Zaza, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder
for
Danny Granger

superiorblogman

November 13th, 2010
12:51 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27n9vqb

Josh, Zaza, Jamal and a future 1st rounder
for
Danny Granger, Dontae Jones, Roy Hibbert, and Mike Dunleavy Jr.

Scott

November 13th, 2010
1:24 am

this game is a perfect example of why the hawks need a better bench.

the only 2 bench players i see on this team that are good are pachulia and jamal crawford.

how about starting pachulia at center and have williams come off the bench?

superiorblogman

November 13th, 2010
2:02 am

Danny Granger will come 28 during this season and he has never played in a playoff game. Joe Johnson will come 30 this year and he has been the leader of 3 playoff teams and appeared with the Suns in other playoff series. I really think the Pacers will trade Granger if the right deal comes along.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2d4bwwf

Marvin, Zaza, 1st rounder and 2nd rounder
for
Danny Granger

Would be hard to pass up this deal if the Pacers season is looking like it is not going anywhere after say 35 to 40 games. The Pacers have to start thinking that Granger is no more than a player that puts up big numbers on a bad team soon and get something out of him. Just hopefully for the team that gets him the Pacers are wrong.

KevinM

November 13th, 2010
3:12 am

Quote of the night: Lots of standing around on offense……saw lots of iso-Joe….yep, they look different than last year.

tony

November 13th, 2010
4:02 am

MY MY MY! All this trade talk about signing another forward. Sound like Rick Sund. This team isn’t going anywhere until they get a true facilitator(pg) and a true center. I’ve been saying this for 10 years now. The last true facilitator that played in a hawks uni was Mookie Blaylock.

We lost to the Suns and Jazz because they have outstanding facilitators(S.Nash15 assists) and (D.Williams10 assists). We lost to Orlando because of bad coaching and their center D.Howard.

There is one trade I would make in a heartbeat. I would ship Jeff Teague, Jordan Crawford and a 2nd rd pick to Denver for Ty Lawson. Ty Lawson will improve this team immensely. We need a true facilitator in order for this team to compete with the big boys. I wouldn’t do anything else because I’m still not sold on Larry Drew.

superiorblogman

November 13th, 2010
5:08 am

Yeah right, Not even the idiots on this blog are stupid enough to think Ty Lawson is the answer he would be an upgrade but not someone that could get you to the Eastern Conference Finals as an upgrade. On the other hand, a Danny Granger type while giving up say Marvin, Zaza and picks could get you to the Eastern Conference Finals and give you true hope of winning a couple within the next 5 years with the right move or two.

superiorblogman

November 13th, 2010
5:14 am

Bibby/Teague
Joe/Jamal/Jordan
Granger/Evans
Smith/Powell
Horford/Collins

Then trade Jamal and Mo Evans for Dalembert and Donte Greene

New lineup

Bibby/Teague
Joe/Jordan
Granger/Greene
Smith/Powell
Horford/Dalembert

Big 4+ a defensive big off the bench and giving Teague the freedom to run things with Jamal gone would make this team better.

darrell starks

November 13th, 2010
5:33 am

The point guard, and small forward is hurting the hawks bad.
BIBBY RANK AT THE BOTTOM.
MARVIN RANK AT THE BOTTOM.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

November 13th, 2010
5:35 am

I say put teague out there now and let marvin come off the bench.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

November 13th, 2010
5:36 am

STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS
BENCH JAMAL, MOE, MARVIN, POWEL, ZAZA.
RESERVE BIBBY JC2.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

Chris

November 13th, 2010
8:16 am

All i got to say is trade Marvin Williams and Maurice Evans for Greg Oden and Luke Babbitt

JeJe.

November 13th, 2010
8:52 am

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TEACH MARVIN HAD TO DRIVE TO THE HOOP, DRAW CONTACT, AND ACTUALLY HANG ONTO THE BALL? I FEEL LIKE IF A BUTTERFLY TOUCHES HIM AS HE GOES UP, HE WILL FALL ON HIS BACK.

JeJe.

November 13th, 2010
8:53 am

JeJe.

November 13th, 2010
8:55 am

WHEN JAMAL IS IN THE GAME, HE NEEDS TO TAKE OVER OR BE THE FACILITATOR. IDK WTF HE HAS BEEN DOING THE LAST 3 GAMES

SWITCH UP THE STARTING LINEUP. START COLLINS AND TEAGUE AND BRING BIBBY, JAMAL, MO, DUCK, AND ZAZA AS YOUR BENCH. THAT’S A DAMN GOOD BENCH NOW

jfreak13713

November 13th, 2010
8:55 am

The Hawks have issues at PG and C spot for sure but it’s still early and they do have a lot of talent. I think they will rebound from this slide but without a “guy” to run the offense and a “guy” clog up the middle I’m not sure they can contend with the big boys come playoff time.

Jamal Crawford as good as he is appears to be odd man out? Expiring contract and a vet who can score 20+ nightly! The Hawks will probably move him to improve their team but we’ll just have to wait and see what they get in return?

Mike is back

November 13th, 2010
9:00 am

MC, I knew it would be a struggle…once we started playing some quality opponents…THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE I SEE IN LD…during the 6-0 start…versus now…is the lost confidence in his reserves. I know missed free throws…cost us the game…but that does not excuse…the terrible situational substitution in the fourth quarter…that was our undoing. Now it’s a heavy dose of JJ, AND JC1, AND BIBBY…despite the game situation.

CASE IN POINT…during a critical stretch of the fourth quarter…when we still had the lead…LD brings in JJ…but leaves JC1 in to guard their small PG…DWilliams was on the bench…and the smallest guy on the floor got his team back in the game…beat us… and blocked JC1 shot. lol

Why the sudden over reliance on curtain guys? Have you lost faith in your reserves? I guess its human nature for coaches to rely on their Vets to close out games…but in our case…those are the times…when we relinquish leads and make it easier for the opponent to score. There in lies the dilemma for LD…do I step out the box and give a guy like Marvin, Teague, Zaza, Powell, or Thomas chance to make a play…when we are trying to close out games or do I continue down the same path as my predecessor.

If defense is our problem…why are we going with our weakest defenders…to close out games…How many more losses does he needs to figure that out!!!! TALK IS CHEAP.

Nate ArchiBALL

November 13th, 2010
9:13 am

ZaZa P – Is a basketball personality not a basketball player. Fans like him but I have yet to figure out why…..Minimum offense, zero defense. Will have only 4 or 5 good games a season. Use to be ok on the offensive boards but no more. Boxing in the off season has done nothing for his game. Just as much of a defensive liability as Bibby and Jamal, in fact worst..

Jamal Crawford – Will take time to accept LD’s new offensive scheme. Injuries and contract issue may be affecting his play. Defensive liability.

Jordan Crawford. – bright future but will have to learn how to play defense. Will see limited playing unless one of the guards is injured or Jamal is traded.

Joe Johnson – After several years of Woody ball, it will take a while for JJ to completely buy into LD’s offense. He will have “ISO Joe” flashbacks from time to time. His game will benefit from the reduction in minutes as LD tries to build a bench. Best defensive player in the Hawks backcourt.

Jason Collins – After two years of minimal playing time (400+ minutes two years ago and 120+ minutes under Woody – total mins = 11 games in 2 years), it will take a while to get into playing shape.

Josh Powell – needs playing time to see what he brings to the table.

Al Horford – doesn’t really want to play Center. Worked on his jump shot during the off season – jumper looks good.. In the low post, Al can only go to the right. If he ever went left and used his left hand…….Hasn’t worked on developing his body either. I’m waiting on “All Star Al” to put together a string of 20 pt – 10 rebound games.
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Jeff Teague – Still trying to recover from a rookie year with Woody as his coach. Plays as if he doesn’t want to challenge Bibby for the starting PG job. Would like for Bibby to play so bad that LD hands him the job.

Marvin Williams – just happy to be in the NBA. Loves the money but doesn’t play like he loves the game. Inconsistent play is his only constant. Has he peaked?

Mike Bibby – best PG we have right now – in today’s NBA, which is full of young athletic PG’s this isn’t good. Understands LD’s offense. Defensive liability. Great stand alone 3 point shooter.

Josh Smith – Has proved that one doesn’t need to go to a D1 program to have a good basketball IQ. Shot selection has improved. Passing has improved (add two assists to his numbers if his teammates could make wide open jumpers) Seems to understand (along with Bibby) LD’s offense better than anyone. Worked on his jumper and it shows. Key to the Hawks defense. Defense drops off when he’s not in the game.

bigdave

November 13th, 2010
9:22 am

Mike is Back..

1qrt blown leads and all.. i do agree with you.

big picture folks.. its early.. new system, bad habits to break. taking some tough losses that should build character. im not worried about them “not listening”, i think the Hawks just zone out/lose focus in game situations especially at home.. they forget to do the little things, and concern themselves with trying to be hero.

other than poor bench play, which i dont think will be great but not nearly as bad now that we’re healthy, what has been consistent in these losses is giving up 2nd chance points.

Atticus

November 13th, 2010
9:35 am

Same BS, making big deals out of meaningless games winning 6 in a row and then losing 4. A collection of mentally weak players with a joke ownership group = playoff success.

darrell starks

November 13th, 2010
9:47 am

BIG DAVE, it’s not poor bench play it your bibby and marvin in the starting line up, LD have 2 make a change it’s going on 4year now with bibby and marvin we no what they can do let try somthing new in order 2 improve this team, all of the great coaches do it why every year bring out the same line up BIBBY, JOE, MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD, LD IS SMARTER ENOUGH AS COACH 2 RECOGNIZE HIS WEEKNEST.
GO HAwks!!!!!!!

darrell starks

November 13th, 2010
9:55 am

When horford starte at power forward his game is better as you can see.
Josh is much better than marvin at the 3 plus you can post him up more against the smaller forward, teague just put him out there and see what he can do atleast his defense is way better than bibby, and when bibby is missing his shot’s he is useless because of his defense, and every one is screaming big man, collins is 7′0 just let him be the enforcer who box out and rebound thats it.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

gcs

November 13th, 2010
11:08 am

Does anyone have firelarrydrew.com up yet?

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lenaqt

November 13th, 2010
11:13 am

The Hawks need in inside game. Too much jump shooting. Post up and get to the basket.

Geemack

November 13th, 2010
11:18 am

darrell starks

The problems the Hawks are having can’t be solved with by pulling Bibby and Marvin out of the line up.

The biggest challenge is the core’s not the right mix of players. The biggest difference between the elite teams and the Hawks is the passion for winning. New players are needed to inject a different mentallity into the Hawks.