Atlanta Hawks injury report: (Update: Marvin and Mo to play vs. Jazz)

(Update: Mo will play limited minutes against Jazz. Marvin is out)

Mo Evans and Marvin Williams both practiced today and said they could play against Utah Friday.

Mo (knee) hasn’t played since the season opener.

“I think it went pretty good,” Mo said. “We are definitely not 100 percent but I think we can be effective and help plug some holes.”

Marvin (knee), out since the leaving the Detroit game, sounded optimistic about his chances to return tomorrow.
“I’m doing better,” he said. “I’m not hobbling around too much. It still hurts, but I’m pretty excited. As long as nothing happens tonight, I will try to give it a go tomorrow depending on how it feels.”

L.D. has struggled to patch together a workable rotation with his only two small forwards out. The Hawks got by when facing the softer part of their schedule but Phoenix, Orlando and Milwaukee exposed Atlanta’s issues matching up against deeper opponents without Williams and Evans.

“It’s tough to watch, especially yesterday knowing the players have been exhausted playing a lot of games,” Mo said.

“It’s frustrating,” Marvin said. “You look at Phoenix and Orlando, I really felt like I could have helped and Mo felt the same way. But I’ve got to get healthy. I’m looking at the bigger picture. I think everyone understands that. Hopefully I can get back as soon as I can

Pape Sy (back) has been increasing his workload lately. L.D. said he participated in some contact portions of today’s practice.

Previously Sy has had to dial it back a couple times after it looked like he was making progress but L.D. is hopeful he’s on track to finally be cleared to practice with no restrictions.

“I think he’s pretty comfortable with it,” L.D. said.

MC

46 comments Add your comment

tyler

November 11th, 2010
4:27 pm

tyler

November 11th, 2010
4:34 pm

Actually, the team that should have been tired was the Bucks…..Our guys need to get a lot tougher. I live in Pensacola and I had to pay to get the League Pass in order for me to watch ‘em play. Want the home attendance to pick up? Play with some consistency!!!1

Section 303

November 11th, 2010
4:38 pm

tyler, or they could just try trying. I would take that. Amazing how quickly this group of guys just rolls over.

I can’t really say that getting Marvin or Mo back excites me much. Both are average on their best days. Considering they will be a bit banged up, I’m thinking the Hawks may be better off with the two in street clothes.

cp

November 11th, 2010
4:49 pm

Ms Dee I always see you comparing this team to others. No disrespect but what other teams do has nothing to do with the Hawks. I don’t mind them losing but stop with the homerism. They competed hard from beginning to end in their loss against the Magic. They flat out quit last night by the 3rd quarter against the Bucks. You cant win them all but this team is notorious for getting down and just giving up.. Folks on here are not mad they took the L, they are made in the fashion that they did. These guys have been playing with each for way to long to be still giving the same song and dance. Where are the leaders?

terrell

November 11th, 2010
5:17 pm

Can any of you guys even play basketball? How do you actually know when a player “quits”? And isnt this the same Bucks team that most of you predicted would be better than the Hawks? Maybe they just got BEAT that night. It happens, you know?

Loserville USA

November 11th, 2010
5:26 pm

Not going to help a bit.

The Truth

November 11th, 2010
5:54 pm

MC wrote:
“Pape Sy (back) has been increasing his workload lately. L.D. said he participated in some contact portions of today’s practice.”

MC: Can you ask LD what is Sy role on this team? Is he actually going to play this year if healthy? Exactly who is he playing behind?

Bailey

November 11th, 2010
6:14 pm

I don’t feel like we will be shredded by the Jazz or that we should be in any circumstances. Looking at the starting units on paper, we have the superior personnel. When you look at the match-ups, position-by-position, there are few areas where the Hawks have a problem. Obviously, Deron Williams is a problem, but outside of that, I don’t see many issues. Joe Johnson obviously wins the battle with Raja Bell, who is much better known for his defensive skill than his offensive prowess. The Jazz basically handle the SF position by committee and they don’t have any outstanding wing players to cause us match-up problems. In terms of the interior, the Jazz big men have been playing great lately, but so have ours (when given the minutes). Al and Josh are a better PF-C tandem than Millsap and Jefferson. I could see millsap potentially causes some issues with his quickness and ability to shoot outside of the paint, since Josh sometimes gives players too much space. In terms of Jefferson, I think Al Horford is more of a problem for him than vice versa. Al is quicker than him and much more versatile offensively. Jefferson is not accustomed to playing away from the basket, so as long as Al stays on him in the post, I don’t expect to see many problems there. On the other end, I don’t see Al having many problems scoring on Jefferson either. Jefferson has a weight advantage, but that’s about it. He’s not exceptionally tall, nor does he have amazing speed, length, or athleticism. So, overall, as far as the starters go, I am confident that we should be alright, as long as someone other than Bibby guards Deron Williams. I think we may have to go with a cross-matchup and put Joe on Williams and Bibby on Bell. It makes more sense this way, since Bell is not a great offensive player, and probably the least of the team’s worries as far as Utah’s starters go.

Now, what I worry about most is our bench and how L.D. plans on managing the rotation. It has become very clear that our bench is not very impressive in comparison with other teams, and outside of Jamal and occasionally Josh Powell (assuming Mo Evans is out), there’s almost zero offense. Not to mention, the bench is horrific defensively when they are not playing at their highest level. It’s almost a guarantee that one of Utah’s wings will find a way to exploit Jamal and their bigs most likely destroy Zaza and Powell as well. L.D. should be well aware by now, that he needs to at least have Al or Joe on the floor at all times. When one of these goes out, the other needs to be in, because not only are they focal points on the offensive end, they are the also the best individual defenders we have on the interior and perimeter, respectively. Josh is an excellent defender as well, I’m not saying he shouldn’t be out there as well, but he’s more of a help-side defender than an excellent individual defender, because he often gambles going for the steal or block on his own man when playing 1 vs. 1 defense, which gets him into trouble.

More importantly, having either Joe or Al on the floor at all times ensures that if the ball keeps moving using the motion system, someone is going to get an open shot because both of them attract a lot of attention. Additionally, this ensures that we never have to see only Powell and Zaza defending the interior or only bibby and Jamal defending the perimeter. I also think it’s time to ditch the jumbo line-up (at least for this game). Although Utah doesn’t really have any dynamic wing scorers, it’s hurting us to play Josh at the 3 and Collins at the 5 sometimes. Collins is actually very effective as a stationary defender in the post to bang with big centers, but I don’t feel comfortable with him guarding mobile guys like Millsap or even Jefferson. Hopefully, we will have either Marvin or Mo available tomorrow to start, that way we can put Al and Josh back at center and power forward. Josh is obviously having a tough time playing the 3 against quicker, smaller wings, and it’s throwing off his offense as well, since he’s being drawn away from the basket so much. I think if we can get a full rotation going tomorrow and L.D. actually plays Al more than 30 minutes (something that he should always do), along with Joe and Josh playing starters minutes, and mixes in the starters with the bench unit to prevent lapses, we have a good chance of beating the Jazz.

cp

November 11th, 2010
6:29 pm

smh. I dont know Terrell I guess when the coach makes statemetns like this

Maybe worst of all, the Hawks stayed down once they got down. “That’s a big concern because I’ve always looked at this team as when it gets a little tough, we have a tendency to hold our head down,” L.D. said. “Anybody can go through stretches where they play well and they win and everybody is high-fiving. When it gets tough, that is when your character really gets tested. When it gets a little tough, I don’t want to see guys hanging their heads. I don’t want to see guys giving up.”

Then I guess its kind of easy to assume they quit. smh

cp

November 11th, 2010
6:40 pm

I should have added this one also

I knew it was over for the Hawks when I saw Smoove get frustrated and fall into one of his don’t give a flip moods in the second quarter.

Jerome

November 11th, 2010
6:52 pm

I know this is a bit off-topic, but who would you rather see win tonight in the Boston-Miami match-up? The nice thing about these kinds of games is that they help the Hawks in the standings, regardless of how the Hawks play. While the Hawks are re-grouped from their embarrassment for the Utah game tomorrow, one of their adversaries will take a loss tonight. Who would you rather it be?

Ramon

November 11th, 2010
7:03 pm

CP, but in some ways MC comes back and contradicts himself about Josh, when he tweets that in the 3rd quarter Josh was getting frustrated that no one else was trying to play interior defense. So how could he quit in the 2nd quarter, but still be playing defense (alone) in the 3rd?

Section 303

November 11th, 2010
7:04 pm

Jerome, without no hesitation, I want the Celtics to win tonight. Miami could not possibly lose enough to make me happy. I have no love for the C’s, either, but will be pulling for them tonight.

Another question might be: What do you watch tonight? Heat/C’s? Ravens/Falcons? Pitt/UCONN?

Will be a lot of channel flipping in my house tonight.

cp

November 11th, 2010
7:23 pm

Ramon I wasn’t really trying to single Josh out but it was clear he was frustrated. I was just pasting the quotes to show that even LD commented on them giving up when it gets tough… It was a team effort of laying down not just Josh. I wasn’t trying to single him out.

northcyde

November 11th, 2010
7:40 pm

O’Brien ( I think it was him ), said something real thought provoking last night.

( paraphrasing ) “How do you get offensive minded players with offensive skillsets, to play great defense?”

And that’s the right question to ask.

What is going on now, was the exact same thing that was going on with the bench last year. If Jamal doesn’t make a few buckets as soon as he comes into the game, the bench has to play defense in order to “hold the fort”.

But they never play defense. Even when they’re playing well, it’s because they’re making shots . . not stopping people.

Here are my defensive ratings for our bench, according to how they defend their man, help each other out, and rebound . according to their position.

Man to Man defense

Collins – 5
Teague – 5
Evans – 4
Powell – 4
Jamal – 3

Help defense

Evans – 4
Teague – 4
Jamal – 3
Powell – 3
Collins – 2

Defensive rebounding

Evans – 5
Powell – 4
Teague – 4
Collins – 3
Jamal – 3

Shot Blocking & Steals

Teague – 5
Evans – 4
Jamal – 4
Powell – 3
Collins – 2

The bench just can’t get it done defensively. And it only takes for two of our starters to be out of a game, to see the dominos fall defensively.

So if this group doesn’t have it going offensively, they’re “dead in the water”, as Drew said last night.

Ramon

November 11th, 2010
7:43 pm

CP, I understand.

Will

November 11th, 2010
7:52 pm

Hawks, should not ever have four bench players on the floor
together at no-time unless it mopp up time.
Why did it take L. Drew three losses to figure this out, everybody in the arena could clearly see this.

Will

November 11th, 2010
7:58 pm

Why are the hawks, back to this switching defense, that did not work last season and it is not working this season either.

northcyde

November 11th, 2010
8:02 pm

This would be my defensive ratings for the starters THIS YEAR

Man to Man defense

Marvin – 7
Johnson – 6
Horford – 6
Smith – 6
Bibby – 3

Defensive Rebounding

Smith – 8
Horford – 7
Marvin – 5
Johnson – 5
Bibby – 3

Help Defense

Smith – 9
Horford – 7
Johnson – 5
Marvin – 5
Bibby – 2

Shot Blocking and Steals

Smith – 10
Horford – 6
Johnson – 5
Marvin – 4
Bibby – 1

We really need another shot blocker on this team to play with the bench. That’s why I wanted the Hawks to take a chance on Varnado or even Whiteside.

It’s crazy to say, but I’d take back Solomon Jones and Shelden Williams, over any of the reserve bigs we signed in the offseason.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 11th, 2010
8:21 pm

Miami is a divisional opponent. I’d much rather see them take the L than Boston.

But my TV will be firmly planted on Ravens-Falcons tonight. Like I said a few days ago, there are far fewer NFL games than NBA games, and each NFL game has much more significance than each NBA game.

The Truth

November 11th, 2010
8:28 pm

“Why are the hawks, back to this switching defense, that did not work last season and it is not working this season either”

We are playing switching defense mainly because of our SFshortage. We are trying to masked our poor defenders via switches but it has backfired. Fixing one problem creates another

Melvin

November 11th, 2010
9:19 pm

This Celtics/Heat game is very intense. These teams are developing a dislike for each other that will set the stage for a playoff showdown…

superiorblogman

November 11th, 2010
9:27 pm

Drew is a bad coach and was a bad choice. Phil Jackson never put his team in a situation where Pippen and Jordan both were not on the floor. This team is no Bulls they need atleast 2 of there best players on the court at all times. Meaning Horford, Smoove, and Joe. 2 of those 3 have to be on the field at all times. Rotation should be.

Starting
Joe
Bibby
Marvin
Smoove
Horford

KevinM

November 11th, 2010
10:10 pm

Looking at the stats of the O’Neals while watching this game tonight:

Combined for the season: 37.7 MPG / 14.3 PPG / 8.9 REB – not bad for their 5th worse position

Not apples to apples, but Zaza/Collins combo: 28.6 MPG / 10.1 PPG / 5.8 REB

The ONeals numbers would probably even be higher here…..

Anyone interested in Dampier anymore? Its gotten quiet.

The Truth

November 12th, 2010
1:09 am

“Also on the injury front, MC also reports that Pape Sy participated in some contact portions of practice today. Sy has been increasing his workload while recovering from a lower back problem that has plagued him since training camp. Speaking of Sy, I talked to Utah Flash Team President Drew Sellers today on the phone and he confirmed that he expects to see Sy in Utah at some point this season.”

http://fanpeeps.com/-boTV

HawkEye

November 12th, 2010
4:26 am

northcyde

O’Brien ( I think it was him ), said something real thought provoking last night.

( paraphrasing ) “How do you get offensive minded players with offensive skillsets, to play great defense?”

Real Talk. This is the situation that plagues many of the Hawks (significantly JC1). Many of the Hawks have the talent to become lockdown defenders so what is the problem?

Defense is not only about application to a particular system such as man-to-man or switching, but it is also a mindset and all about attention to detail. For example, if you know where a players particular “sweet spot” is, it is your duty as a defender to prevent that player from reaching that spot. Unfortunately, many players have multiple “sweet spots” and can hit a shot from anywhere on the court. With these players, you must monitor there progression during the game to determine if they are a volume shooter like Ray Allen, or a streaky shooter like Nate Robinson. In which case then you provide neccesary adjustments like denying them the ball. This should not stop at any point of the game. Constant attention, communication, and adjustments on defense is how you keep the offense guessing.

That is why it is a minset and mentality. If you do not give full attention to the little things (player position and movement, sweet spots,offensive tendencies players may have whether good or bad, fighting for loose balls, and also what hand a player would pefer to shot with, though somtimes this does not matter), as well as the bigger things (boxing out and effort rebounding, applying adequate pressure on the ball, identifying different sets of pick n rolls, communication, closing out on shooters, and the all important “staying in front of your man”) every time you are on the defensive end, you will continue to have major breakdows and lapses on defense. Subsequently, this is where you see teams go on those devastating and somtimes sustained runs, especially if they have defensive minded players to provide that same spark on the other end of the court.

Defense is mental, but you also must have the proper tools to be effective on defense. However, there are some players who just have particular skillsets geared mostly towards offense. So the question is indeed how do you get players who are offensive minded with only offensive skillsets to develop a deffensive menatlly?

HawkEye

November 12th, 2010
4:31 am

*defensive mentality*

Sope Creek

November 12th, 2010
6:36 am

Just curious about Enos Kantor’s NBA eligibility status now that he’s been ruled permanently ineligible by the NCAA. Is he a free agent in a similar sort of way that Randolph Morris was when he signed mid-season out of Kentucky? If so, it would appear that there’s a roster spot open on the Hawks . . . would it make sense to try to take a flier and sign a talent like Kantor and try to develop him? At worst he’s another big body available for a what might be a bargain price, given he apparently has NBA talent. Seems to me that there’s potentially a lot of upside with this type of move and not really a whole lot of downside . . . .

doc

November 12th, 2010
8:57 am

northcyde:

It’s crazy to say, but I’d take back Solomon Jones and Shelden Williams, over any of the reserve bigs we signed in the offseason.

yup, hate to admit it but me, too. i was too hesitant to even mention it; went so far as to look at solo’s numbers. some are still trying to say collins is adequate. i say he is finished. i am not sure you can give him a five for man to man d since he is a foul machine in doing it. i didnt go so far as to look into shelhead though. suicidal/homicidal rates go up around here when you mention his name. he is also playing for a really good coach and that makes difference i know he has some good games at denver anyway and that skews what one could expect here.

O'Brien

November 12th, 2010
9:54 am

northcyde,

I think some of your ratings are spot on, and the bench does struggle defensively. However, defense can be contagious.

I believe, that if our bench players saw a more consistent defensive effort from our starters (especially our captains), they would give more effort defensively too.

Man to Man defense:

JJ can be an 8 or 9 if he puts his mind to it consistently. But he doesn’t.

Josh is programmed to go for blocks, and help other guys out. His help defense needs to be better and more consistent.

Even Horford can be better than what he has shown.

Hawks are not even top 20 in rebounding. Horford’s rebounding needs to be steady, and our guards need to help out more.

Our bench is not skilled defensively, but our starters should be better defensively than they have shown (except Bibby of course). They need to set a better example.

As for the bench? Jamal and ZaZa are the worse culprits. Both are focused on scoring, and defense is secondary for them. I dont know how LD can get around it. And it goes back to Rick again, failing to make any moves.

O'Brien

November 12th, 2010
9:56 am

* Correction. Josh’s man to man defense needs to be better and more consistent.

vava74

November 12th, 2010
9:56 am

doc,

you are hopeless.

Bogut had trouble scoring on Collins.

Howard shot .500 with Collins guarding him for significant minutes and for a long long long time we had a game against ORL with Howard dunking the rock only ONCE.

Get a grip.

We lost the game against MIL due to lack of perimeter D to contain Magette and Elyasova and due to the fact that Jamal came in super cold for his 3rd game in a row.

Yes, we were out rebounded but was a result of both Horford and Smoove being in the perimeter scrambling on switches (which if you did not notice, were featured again due to lack of people to set up a decent rotation).

vava74

November 12th, 2010
10:08 am

OB,

Northcyde’s assessment is not correct in several instances.

I will not bother going about every man, but on Collins, he is dead wrong.

His man to man D is still very good: he moves his feet, keeps his chest glued to his man, his hands in the air and anticipates entry passes.

ASHCAN.

November 12th, 2010
10:55 am

It looks like marvin aint as bad as what people make him out to be.I think he has been key to most of atlanta wins but people look past him because they think he’s the same ol marvin.He’s been playing alright with the new offence(movement).He has defence and looks like a new player.I blame each lose on joe johnson,how dare you be the highest paid player in the nba and can’t take over a game.JJ,you suck!

doc

November 12th, 2010
10:55 am

vava rather than call people names, i will stick to the facts:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3530/gamelog;_ylt=AigueCjEYbVX7LDAfH43OISaPKB4

i commend twin for staying in the game for 20 minutes in orlando, but only 10 minutes against the bucks and you are saying he is the reason bogut had his numbers, really? all the while he got 2 total rebounds and 6 points all against the magic and had three fouls to boot in ten minutes along with ZERO points and rebounds in “facing down” bogut. this is a guy making 1.3 mil and you are calling him a stopper? you are giving him the cred on bogut? let me repeat it, zero points and rebounds man in ten minutes and 3 fouls.

dwight also had his second best night of the season scoring 27 points and adding 11 rebounds in 33 minutes against twin and the hawks. his best night was against the likes of the nets where he got 30 points. if you want to look at how to play him? look at how he did against the jazz where he was HELD to 14 points and 9 rebounds. we didnt lose a close one to the magic because of collins defense of dwight but because the sword that the magic use of the long ball was the sword they almost fell on.

you or any twin apologist are doing it on smoke and mirrors. MC also made the point in his last blog, twin brings very little to the table. it is a lot less than shaq would have. solo might have done just as well and brought a little offense. maybe even shels would have brought the ability to rebound as well as use his fouls for 400k less than we are getting out of twin. yup shelhead is a bargain now, twin aint. shoot now that i think about it shels probably better than powell. damn that is a hurtful thought.

vava74

November 12th, 2010
11:30 am

doc,

Collins had a +- of +15 against ORL (top of the team with Horford)

Collins had a +- of +5 against MIL (top of the team with JordanC – by a MILE)

Astro Joe

November 12th, 2010
11:36 am

doc, it was the best 20 & 10 minute stretch of defense in NBA history. :twisted:

northcyde

November 12th, 2010
12:10 pm

@ O’Brien . . . You’re right about JJ having the ability to be an 8 as a man defender. But over the years, I see that he gets motivated to play certain people, or really locks in defensively in the 4th quarter.

This year, I’ve seen very little of that so far. So I can’t give him much more than a 6 rating this year.

@ Vava . . . so that’s it?

You use Collins +/- number to justify him being a good defender and/or playing more? Did you peep Bibby’s +/- in the Orlando game?

Collins did nothing but be on the court in the first 7 minutes of the Milwaukee game, to see his +/- rating be that high. The first 7 minutes of that game was all about Horford and the Hawks being red hot on the perimeter.

Now if your justification is that by starting Collins, it makes Horford extremely dangerous as an offensive threat, then maybe you can make that argument.

But in reality, Collins is no more than a decent interior defender that does little to nothing else extra to help a team. You don’t rack up the fouls at the rate that he does, and be considered a “very good man defender”.

It is very misleading to praise that dude like that. If he were that good of a man defender, other teams who need interior defenders would’ve been knocking on his door.

doc

November 12th, 2010
12:23 pm

guess we won the battle then vava and lost the war?

didnt collins play the first minutes when we jumped ahead by 13 against the bucks? is it him or that vava?

was it the lack of penetration by jameer that kept dwight from jamming as the defenders moved away from him or the defense of collins? jordan crawford was plus five against the bucks, so what? mike bibby plus ten against miami and horford plus 15. guess the coach doesnt know his hot hands and didnt ride them long enough?

also just counted seven baskets from inside 6 ft. 6 in first two quarters when collins gets most of his time. was it more the shooters finally warming up or collins for the plus minus, vava?

you can check my math vava:

http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=301108019&period=1

it seems most of the points were scored by dwight when twin was in the game. i added up 18 points. i guess that is about a point a minute? the jam was on etan. interesting though i didnt check as close dwight did not score a point while zaza was in the game. it may be he was on the bench but i really dont have time to look further.

count down for fun at the highlight factory, another true test where this team really is.

doc

November 12th, 2010
12:35 pm

look out northcyde, you are going to end up in the “hopeless” club. ;-)

vava74

November 12th, 2010
12:52 pm

doc,

Yes, we went up on MIL because we were hot BUT ALSO because MIL tried to go inside with Bogut to start the game and failed to score in several possessions.

the fact that Howard scored 18 points against Twin in 20 minutes does not bother me. He did it with a low FG% (for his standards) and working hard for it, consuming a lot of time and being kept in bad outlet pass positions.

There is a lot more than simply looking at numbers that interest you.

Bibby had a pretty decent game against ORL, pity that he let Duhon and J-Will drill 3 three pointers on him in the second half.

Collins has – against certain teams – a very positive overall defensive impact when he makes the opposing C play out of his comfort zone.

Last year, even fat like a elephant, he neutralized Shaq in 5 or 6 plays in a row in a game in CLE. Unfortunately he didn’t get the calls going his way and out of the 5 o 6 plays only 3 or 4 were positive, but he defended the post perfectly.

doc

November 12th, 2010
1:03 pm

vava sorry, its eems a little vague here:

Yes, we went up on MIL because we were hot BUT ALSO because MIL tried to go inside with Bogut to start the game and failed to score in several possessions.

care to describe it a little more in detail what you mean by they tried to go inside and failed?

O'Brien

November 12th, 2010
1:20 pm

Vava,

I was speaking mostly about northcyde’s assessment for the starters. Defensively, I think Collins is a good backup center. Do I think his defense is worthy enough to start every game? No. But depending on certain matchups (like Orlando), I am ok with him getting extended minutes.

All I know, is the Hawks need a win tonight. And I think they will respond and beat Utah by double digits.

wxwax

November 12th, 2010
2:06 pm

Just when I was allowing myself to get excited by these Hawks, the same old lack of character surfaced again.

Marvin and Mo can’t fix that.

Oh well, at least we didn’t have to wait ’til the playoffs to find out this group still hasn’t grown a spine.

northcyde

November 12th, 2010
2:29 pm

LOL @ Doc. I guess we’re missing something.

Just because Horford has major trouble against Dwight, and Collins has less trouble than Horford, doesn’t make Collins a “very good post defender”. It’s the same argument that people say about Teague defending PGs, and citing that he can be like Rajon Rondo.

Ummmm . . no he can’t.

Teague simply defends the PG position better than Bibby, whose defense is horrendous at times. But Teague has a long way to go before labeling him a good defender. He’s a C+ defender, compared to Bibby being a D. That doesn’t mean that C+ gets the “teacher’s curve”, and elevated to an A-.

And that’s how I see Collins. It makes no sense to act like he is a B defender. If he was, that dude would’ve been in decent demand over the summer.

BraveFalconHawk

November 12th, 2010
10:04 pm

Hopefully they can go back to playing the weaker teams cause it’s obvious they can’t beat any of the good ones. I knew there wasn’t anything to get excited about. THIS TEAM HAS NO LEADER!!!!!!!!!!!!