Is Rick Sund the only one who believes in the ‘core’ thing?

It seems no one outside of Atlanta can believe the Hawks really are willing to stick with this group and see how far it can go. So the trade rumors keep percolating.

The latest comes from Hawks blog legend Sekou, who floated a rumor that the Pistons and Hawks were discussing a deal for Tayshaun Prince and someone else (possibly Will Bynum) for Jamal and Teague.

MLive.com’s Chris Iott shot down that rumor and also the bogus Josh talk. The day prior Iott’s colleague, Justin Rogers, explored the Josh situation and wrote: “Predictably, Atlanta management shot the rumor down. That certainly doesn’t mean it’s off the table . . .”

Well, sure it does, since it was never on the table to begin with, as Iott reinforces. Can we at least wait to see if the Hawks fall apart before trying to trade them all away?

Links from around the Association . . .

That Hawks W at Cleveland is looking a bit better now that the Cavs have won three straight, all on the road. The Akron Beacon Journal’s Jason Lloyd notes that Cleveland had a full contingent of healthy players for the first time at New Jersey last night, with Antawn Jamison accepting a bench role and playing well. . . .

The Hawks check in at No. 7 in John Hollinger’s latest power rankings at ESPN.com. . . .

The Jazz came back from 19 down to beat the Heat. In Miami. With Paul Milsap going off for 46 points. . . .

Mitch Lawrence of the Daily News in New York writes that the Hawks are “one of several prime candidates for the contraction chopping block” but aren’t making a good case for David Stern case by signing J.J. and extending Al. This is of course assuming Stern is serious about contraction and not just using it as a negotiating ploy with the players. . . .

Mo, a Players Association honcho, thinks that exactly what it is and he sure doesn’t agree with Stern’s contention that player salaries need to be rolled back by up to $800 million. . . .

Al has a bilingual blog at NBA.com.

MC

37 comments Add your comment

MsDee

November 10th, 2010
3:03 pm

First again??

MsDee

November 10th, 2010
3:04 pm

bigdave

November 10th, 2010
3:06 pm

would be surprised if any trade involving Hawks core or bench went down..

Najeh Davenpoop

November 10th, 2010
3:07 pm

It’s understandable that someone might say the Hawks would be on the contraction chopping block based on the spotty attendance and poor finances of the owners, but there are several teams — T’Wolves, Bobcats, and Grizzlies instantly come to mind — whose situations are FAR worse. Considering that we are a top ten media market and that the Hawks have cemented themselves as a playoff contender, it seems a little far fetched.

With that said, I think the NBA as a whole would be a much better product if four teams were contracted (including the three I mentioned above, with the fourth maybe being the Clippers or Raptors) and the season was shortened to about 65 games. It would never happen, but still…

Najeh Davenpoop

November 10th, 2010
3:11 pm

And I’d also be surprised if Sund made any major moves in midseason, unless he could dump a bunch of crap for a difference maker like Billy Knight did with the Bibby trade. It doesn’t seem like the Hawks are willing to give Jordan Crawford major minutes either here or in the D-League to see if he can attempt to replace Jamal, which means Jamal likely stays put through the remainder of his deal.

Coscro

November 10th, 2010
3:16 pm

MC good stuff as always. There is a rumor floating around that Mo Evans might be gone for the season and his career in jeapordy. Have you heard any scuttlebutt on his injury?

doc

November 10th, 2010
3:18 pm

msdee not even close.

doc

November 10th, 2010
3:19 pm

care to accept your award?

Tee

November 10th, 2010
3:19 pm

Minnesota, please free Kevin Love! I think he’d be a good fit here.

Rufus1

November 10th, 2010
3:21 pm

No Trade

Rick isn’t trading anyone from the “Core”, especially after the Heat were exposed. Rick believes the Hawks are better than the Celtics and probably the heat and are closer to over coming the Magic. The only trade he may make is for Nash(giving up JC1), because our offense will be better.

I don’t think he is giving-up Marvin or Josh in any trade, when Pierce, Lebron and Vince are the prime wing foes in the East.

yodaddy

November 10th, 2010
3:26 pm

Jamal Crawford and Jeff Teague for Steve Nash and Jared Dudley

don’t know if the salaries match but now is the time to upgrade the point guard and bench.

We want to win now…so if Jeff Teague matures into a solid pg then so be it. Steve Nash is the real deal…former MVP and makes everyone better automatically. No defense but like I said makes everyone better in all other aspects

The Truth

November 10th, 2010
3:27 pm

“Carlos Delfino didn`t travel with team to Atlanta. Second straight game he`ll be out with neck sprain.”

“Brandon Jennings is already psyched for Wed. night`s game against Hawks. It`s the first meeting between teams since last season`s playoffs”.

http://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel

STRETCH

November 10th, 2010
3:31 pm

The blog is really slow today, kinda like that front office. Hornets are asking Philly about Igoudua. Can you folks imagine that lineup? They already look good and he compliments CP3. Would hate to face that team in the second round.

cp

November 10th, 2010
3:45 pm

From the last blog……………………northcyde, Lopez has been terrible this season. I think people on this blog get so caught up with a guy being a 7 footer that they don’t look at the players overall game. Lopez is a good offensive player but he plays absolutely no defense. He also seems very soft.

Bibby cant stay in front of Jennings so I guess we will see more Teague tonight. Hopefully Teague shows something tonight because he hasn’t been good this far at all

I’m with Grandad, if Nash is really available then Sund needs to be on the phone working now and not let somebody snatch him up. I think we have the pieces to make it happen but Sund is so in love with this core that I have no idea if he will surprise us all and pull the trigger.

yodaddy

November 10th, 2010
3:49 pm

Jamal Crawford and Mike Bibby for Steve Nash, Jared Dudley and somebody else

yodaddy

November 10th, 2010
3:52 pm

Jamal Crawford and Marvin Williams for Andre Iguodala and someone else

If the Hawks had Iguodala they’d be unstoppable officially

Astro Joe

November 10th, 2010
3:57 pm

MC, don’t you think that teams may be more likely to stand pat with the possible labor unrest coming next summer? 2011 draft picks will be less valuable because some underclassmen won’t risk coming our early (they need to declare around late May) and then sitting for several months without a paycheck. So trading for picks may not be as prevalent. Who knows if adding salary makes sense, since the whole salary cap structure may change (not to mention the discussion around cutting all salaries like the NHL did a few years ago). For a deliberate exec like Sund (and an ownership like the ASG), operating in such an unpredictable environment just screams “STAND PAT”. Unless the trade simply exchanges expiring contracts, I think we hold this hand of cards.

The Truth

November 10th, 2010
4:02 pm

Hawks Looking to Rebound

“The biggest thing to me is we need to do a better job of rebounding the basketball,” Drew said following Wednesday’s shootaround. “We’re not doing a good job collectively of rebounding the ball. I think that’s a glaring statistic when I look at the stat sheet.”

http://hawksbasketblog.com/2010/11/10/hawks-looking-to-rebound/

cp

November 10th, 2010
4:29 pm

I dont know where the rumors are coming from but it seems to be a lot.. I just read that the Hawks might be the sleeper team to trade for Melo…. Its just a rumor so I have no idea how truthful it is…

Freshmaker

November 10th, 2010
4:38 pm

JC1 and Bibby for Nash and Turkoglu! Phoenix gets 2 expiring contracts so they can make a push for someone in free agency, and they get rid of Turkoglu’s contract. We get Nash for the rest of the season and ‘11, plus we get eh…the guy from Turkey. He’s another big body in the post and can pass really well.

Sautee

November 10th, 2010
5:22 pm

Freshmaker,

Errr, Turkoglu is NOT a “big body in the post”. though he CAN pass well. Turk is playing PF for THE FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER. He’s always been a tall 3 and sometimes a point forward, but never a “big body in the post”.

Grandad

November 10th, 2010
5:25 pm

Enter your comments here

Ray

November 10th, 2010
5:38 pm

If someone could find a way to get the SF in Minnesota Wesley Johnson I believe from Syracuse that’d be nice. Hey I think with the way things are going in Minn. They’d be glad to have someone like JC1 then we’d get a upgrade at SF in return cause Johnson seems to be doing all right.

Then this is Wishful thinking though so meh.

Grandad

November 10th, 2010
5:57 pm

Nash trade that works & makes sense both ways:
PHX gets:
Marv, Bibby, & [JC2 or Teague]
ATL gets:
Nash, Grant Hill, & Earl Clark

notes:
*Sund/ASG is not going to take on Turk’s contract.
[It's awful] and people think Joe’s contract is bad.
*Phx would probably prefer JC2 because they have Dragic.
*G.Hill is even older than Nash; 38 – 36.
*Basically PHX is exchanging;
Nash for Bibby = $5 mil savings (roughly)
Hill for Marv = 11 years younger
Clark for JC2 = they win. (PHX)
*ATL = we get Nash + escape Marv & Bibby contracts.
*Will not be able to re-sign Jamal in all probability.

another note – this worked on trade machine,
plus I worked @ least a dozen scenarios.
This seemed to make the most sense from both sides.

**I don’t know how to figure in draft picks.

lewis

November 10th, 2010
6:01 pm

bleh Chris Broussard saying don’t rule Atlanta out for Melo…
I don’t like Mello he can’t defend

drmaryb

November 10th, 2010
6:20 pm

yellow – Melo!

If we can get Melo? It’s not even a question, you do that! Outside of Joe, Josh and Al, no one is untouchable! You just got to do that trade. We could figure out who plays where after the deal is done. Getting Melo in here, would fill the stands and the streets with fans and merchandise. Let, LaLa get her music on, here in Atlanta, GA.

This trade would make Atlanta an Elite-Contender overnight!

Ms.Dee!

What’s up home girl! You FIRST again? I’ ve taken a break from posting, got tired of sifting past the trolle and having my id jacked. But, hey I am enjoying the Hawks and all the fantastic comments.

Great Job, MC!
Thanks for all the updates and hard work, very entertaining and fun to read all your insights.

Oh Oh! I see a “deer in the headlights!” Deer Meat’s on the menu for dinner tonight! yum…yum…yummie …

Let’s Go Hawks!

northcyde

November 10th, 2010
6:30 pm

You add Steve Nash to the Hawks, a buzz will go through this city like it’s doing in Nashville for the debut of Randy Moss.

Drew is right about his concern for more rebounding. The absence of Marvin doesn’t help in that department. But is also partially Drew’s fault, seeing that Horford is only playing 30 minutes a game. He should be closer to 36 minutes a game.

Drew has a little too much faith in Josh Powell. Powell has been better than expected offensively, but he’s not a defensive presence, nor a good rebounder.

So in a relatively close game, a guy like Powell shouldn’t be playing more than 6 – 8 minutes in the 2nd half, while Al rests on the bench.

If this game is relatively close throughout, I don’t want to see Horford log just 30 minutes, while guys like Collins and Powell log close to 20 minutes apiece.

Play your “real core” the minutes they deserve.

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 10th, 2010
6:37 pm

Before talking about moving anything we have…..what’s wrong with moving Marvin to the bench and experimenting with:

Collins
Horford
Smith
Johnson
Bibby

Bench: Ja. Crawford, Marvin, Teague, Mo Evans, Pachulia, Powell, Jo. Crawford, Thomas
What’s wrong with that?

northcyde

November 10th, 2010
6:47 pm

Does it matter to anybody that we’re 1 – 2 with Collins as the starter ( a win vs Minnesota )?

Grandad

November 10th, 2010
6:58 pm

northcyde @ 6:30 pm

“You add Steve Nash to the Hawks, a buzz will go through this city”

Perfectly stated.

lewis

November 10th, 2010
7:01 pm

Not really. I mean sheit, Let Cheeseburger get his too. Personally I think he’s less useless than Haha Pazchulia. High bball iq. Marvin can come off the bench for 25-30 mins a game to backup Josh / Al /. 2nd Unit = Teague, Mo, Jamal, Marvin, Zaza.

Rev in Tampa

November 10th, 2010
7:07 pm

Just when I thought people were going to start believing in the Hawks everybody is ready to break up the team up to get a “superstar”.

There were several questions before the season that I thought, if answered in the negative, would prevent the Hawks from taking a step forward in the playoffs. But those questions are being in the affirmative so far.

I hope the Hawks keep this team intact.

jtshoopsblog

November 10th, 2010
7:15 pm

The Hawks can do without Marvin Williams. he seems so out of place on that team. It’s a shame because when I see, I see a younger James Worthy.

Everett Rupert

November 11th, 2010
12:39 pm

The Hawks are a team with a front line that can fight it out successfully with any other NBA team’s; however,it was sad to watch them play only one quarter against the Bucks.

Smiling Jack

November 12th, 2010
9:34 pm

This 4th straight loss is a tough loss, but there is always another game! Go Hawks get healthy and win!

Fundamentals

November 13th, 2010
8:37 am

Rev,
Seems like a complete chemistry issue to me? This is the adversity that gels our team and solidifies us permenantly or it’ll break us up. I don’t see any trades that won’t put us right back here in two months. Figure it out Hawks. We need something to believe in!

KevinM

November 13th, 2010
11:10 am

Rev, Im not about breaking up this team to get a superstar for one reason: we don’t have the pieces to bring in a superstar. We don’t have management willing to exceed the cap….its their money, fine.

We also gave Joe more than 1/4 of our avail cap space, soon to grow in the CBA talks.

What I think we have an option at: getting us a leader on the court. We brought in Bibby, who had playoff and experience playing with an established Sac-town team that made waves in the playoffs. So far our highlight in the last 3 decades of playoff experience: taking eventual champ Boston to 7 games….that was over 3 years ago.

Management has to buy in to make this team formidable….truthfully, we are considered the 7th best team in the power rankings? If so, Sund isn’t breaking this team up. He isn’t about to start working extra hours and taking risks at this point.

This team is going to have to figure out a way to 1st, defend the home court. Don’t blame the fans: the product is the driver here. The 2nd is the way this defense cannot keep teams from finding a comfort zone. The guys just don’t get after it. Perhaps they need a leader to be high energy instead of all this laid back, dont’ take too many chances approach.

Watching that Chris Paul/NBATV special just makes you pull for the guy. He is without a doubt a on the court leader. He makes his teammates perform better. Can anyone say that about anyone on this team?