Atlanta Hawks: Bucks 108, Hawks 91

When the going got tough against the Bucks, Josh and Co. gave in. (AP Photo)

When the going got tough against the Bucks, Josh and Co. gave in. (AP Photo)

– No quantitative analysis really necessary. The Hawks got outworked by an opponent that played last night, outrun by a team that’s not as fast, outscored by a team with less offensive talent (but better depth).

– The Bucks outscored the Hawks 45-18 in the last 16 minutes of the first half. They had a 17-6 rebounding edge over that period.

– “We came out like we wanted to win,” Josh said. “In the last three quarters, I don’t know what happened.”

– “It’s hard to explain,” Al said. “I don’t understand what happened between the start of the game and the end of the first quarter. I thought we had a good thing going. We had a lot of energy. It’s one of those things you can’t really explain.

– Maybe worst of all, the Hawks stayed down once they got down. “That’s a big concern because I’ve always looked at this team as when it gets a little tough, we have a tendency to hold our head down,” L.D. said. “Anybody can go through stretches where they play well and they win and everybody is high-fiving. When it gets tough, that is when your character really gets tested. When it gets a little tough, I don’t want to see guys hanging their heads. I don’t want to see guys giving up.”

– That’s what happened. The Hawks pretty much let everyone know they had no intentions of making a game of it when Milwaukee opened the third quarter with a 9-1 run and the Hawks didn’t seem to care. “You don’t come in here against the Hawks and expect to be up 30 points,” Scott Skiles said.

– I knew it was over for the Hawks when I saw Smoove get frustrated and fall into one of his don’t give a flip moods in the second quarter.

– “He wasn’t the only one,” L.D. said. “The one thing I don’t want him doing is I don’t want him displaying it. There is a place for it. Certainly we don’t want him doing it out on the floor where the whole world can see he’s upset. We talk about doing it during huddles or at halftime but we don’t want to display it out on the floor. If you get upset, dig your heels in and play a little bit harder.”

– Judging by Josh’s comments after, he was mad because guys weren’t passing: “We didn’t play with a lot of intensity and we didn’t share the ball offensively. That’s what lost us the game.”

– The bench played a big part in this debacle. Don’t let the boxscore fool you. The Hawks got nothing from their reserves until garbage time. L.D. and his staff are always talking about the bench at least maintaining leads they are handed, but two nights in a row they immediately gave them back.

– “We got off to a very good start,” L.D. said. “The minute I started subbing, we went dead in the water. That’s probably the third game that has happened. I have got to find a better substitution patterns or find better combinations. Our energy was the most disheartening thing because when we go to the bench I expect us to be a very high-energy team.”

– Maybe the Hawks just don’t have the depth to beat the better teams when everyone is healthy. No doubt missing Marvin and Mo has fouled up the rotation but how much better could the Hawks really look with those two in the lineup tonight?

– This is the second game in three nights where Twin proved to be out of his element and Etan didn’t play. Powell had trouble checking Ilyasova and Smoove couldn’t keep up with Maggette even when he tried.

– Atlanta’s roster remains unbalanced. Meanwhile, Milwaukee, with roughly the same payroll as Atlanta, played without Carlos Delfino and got little from starters other than Brandon Jennings and John Salmons. But they rolled to a W with useful pieces like Corey Maggette, Ersan Ilyasova, Earl Boykins and Keyon Dooling.

– Now Utah comes to town after back-to-back comeback Ws at Miami and Orlando. The Jazz never lay down, defend like they mean it and run a precise offense that requires focus and effort to defend.

– “We will fix it real quick,” Smoove said. “I am not worried about us getting out of a slump. We are too good of a ballclub.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

146 comments Add your comment

Shaun

November 10th, 2010
11:19 pm

Same old Hawks.

darrell starks

November 10th, 2010
11:22 pm

MC i here people on here screaming about trading zaza and jamal for prince how crazy is that.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!

darrell starks

November 10th, 2010
11:23 pm

PISTON 2-6 HAWKS 6-3
GO FIGURE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

HawkEye

November 10th, 2010
11:26 pm

Man it’s funny. Just 9 games into the season and people are already calling it a season. SMH. Relax people. There’s a reason there are 82 games in a season. You are going to have these nights when things go from good to bad to worst. The differece will be how the Hawks respond after a tough strech of games. That being said, this is when we will find out what kind of team we have. Now a few major questions come into play:

Can Drew keep these guys together after 2 heartbreaking losses and 1 wasted effort?

After a lackluster performance, can the Hawks respond by sending an early message to Utah?

Will the deffense, offense, and bench improve?

Will a performance like this (albeit in garbage time) cause Teague to be more aggresive when the game is on the line?

The Soap opera that is the Hawks season continues. Stay tuned.

Tom

November 10th, 2010
11:28 pm

hawks, what the heck was that?

darrell starks

November 10th, 2010
11:31 pm

The hawks are okay but missing a star player that can carry the hawks like i have said before if you have no star player you will not win a nba title, and specialy in a city that thrive of excitement.
look at the falcons 6-2 but every since vick left it’s hard 2 sellout games in the dome, what do that tell you about a city with 1 championship out of three sports hawks, brave, falcons.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

November 10th, 2010
11:34 pm

“Atlanta’s roster remains unbalanced. Meanwhile, Milwaukee, with roughly the same payroll as the Bucks, played without Carlos Delfino and got little from starters other than Brandon Jennings and John Salmons. But they rolled to a W with useful pieces like Corey Maggette, Ersan Ilyasova, Earl Boykins and Keyon Dooling.”

I know you meant Hawks, not Bucks, but the point still stands — when the Hawks do spend money, they spend it unwisely. Outside of their top 4 players, the Hawks have $25 million committed to Bibby, Marvin, Zaza, Mo, Twin, Etan, and Powell. Bibby and Marvin are average, and the rest are well below.

Meanwhile, when you look at the Bucks’ roster, everyone who makes over $1 million a year besides Redd is earning their paycheck.

If you are not going to go over the luxury tax, you better be getting your money’s worth on your role players.

Eldridge Recasner

November 10th, 2010
11:36 pm

This team is no different than last year. Joe Johnson is a BUM!

darrell starks

November 10th, 2010
11:39 pm

Three player who are possible on the trading block that can make the hawks contender not pretender.

1.MELO
2.BOSH could be soon if heat don’t use him right.
3.IGGY who i like alot could be on the move.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

HawkEye

November 10th, 2010
11:42 pm

Comeback kids strike again! Hawks are going to have their hands full with the Jazz on friday.

KevinM

November 10th, 2010
11:45 pm

Hard to believe how flat their play was tonight. This team has so many mood swings, you never know what you’re getting.

Is Marvin/Mo really missed that much to lose 3 in a row?

Twin is out of his element….good one MC.

House Man

November 10th, 2010
11:47 pm

My brother and I left in the 3rd quarter. Could not stand to watch it. I LOVE the Hawks but tonight was real bad. Let’s get off this 0-3 streak against UTAH!

KevinM

November 10th, 2010
11:47 pm

The roster of these 2 teams IMO just don’t compare. The Bucks bring so many different options at you…and we’re told our guys are the versatile ones that will be a problem matching up with…

On to the next game….

darrell starks

November 10th, 2010
11:48 pm

Some of the blogger always scream scrub player 2 bring 2 the hawks,why is that because of there lack of knowledge about nba basketball, you won’t win unless you great players who can take over a game, what a BUM.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

superiorblogman

November 10th, 2010
11:52 pm

Al and Marvin are so soft I think they are gay. Drew is a bad coach. He came in all about offense and its showing. No one is going to show up to any of these games. Move this piece of crap show out to Vegas or somewhere where someone cares.

cp

November 10th, 2010
11:56 pm

so the guys quit out there smh. these cats got some terrible attitudes. they had under woodrow but they cant blame him this time. its early in the season but its clear that things are going to be the same because these guys just don’t seem to want to grow up. I’m tired of hearing the same tired excuses and cliches. its time for guys to step up or Sund needs to act like a GM and get some better talent in here….If the rumors are true about Nash and Melo then one of those guys need to be brought in.

darrell starks

November 10th, 2010
11:56 pm

ASG are broke and wan’t go over luxury tax, so we can dream on about bringing in a star player.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 11th, 2010
12:15 am

darrell starks

November 11th, 2010
12:23 am

THREE TRADE SCENARIO
1.MELO FOR JAMAL, MARVIN, and a 1ST but melo must sign and extension 2 stay here.
2.BOSH FOR JAMAL, ZAZA, the heat are looking for a banger down low.
3.IGGY AND LOUIS FOR JAMAL, MARVIN, TEAGUE, IGGY want’s out of philly.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Clyde

November 11th, 2010
12:27 am

I’ll let my boy JeJe speak on my behalf for the thoughts on the game.

rusty

November 11th, 2010
12:30 am

josh smith when will you ever grow up,you are an embarresment. jj i much rather have signed salmons & let your sorry butt go & saved all of that money, i think your overated. jc 1 where the hell is your game going, sund you should have been put on the last bus out of town, zazza, wake the hell up .this team shows no heart,why the hell should the people in atlanta come to see you. why the hell does this team always quit

NBA

November 11th, 2010
12:39 am

Joe Johnson = Jon Koncak

~~MAC-ToWN~~ (Area Code 478 Westside Macon)

November 11th, 2010
12:48 am

hmm I dont know now fellas. When you’ve had your “core” this long, things like being concerned about whether the team is “holding their heads down” shouldnt even be an issue.

Something’s not right.

MsDee

November 11th, 2010
12:55 am

In the Hawks defense, we have multiples back-to-backs with ONLY 1 day off in-between. THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TO REST AND HAVE A COMPLETE PRACTICE BEFORE PLAYING AGAIN.The Hawks has 4 back-to-back games this month with ONLY ONE ‘3-day’ off period from the 16th @ Indiana before playing Dallas on the 20th and 6 back-to-backs in the month of December with a total of 3 ‘2-day’ off periods. These guys, as much as we want them to have energy every single game, aren’t robots. Its utterly impossible to STAY READY with LOTS OF ENERGY with no rest in between games. I notice Orlando nor Boston or Miami has a schedule like us these first 2 months of the season.

MsDee

November 11th, 2010
12:58 am

I mentioned before that Orlando nor Boston or Miami has a schedule like us these first 2 months of the season and yet they are STILL losing!! What are they excuse???

Big Ray

November 11th, 2010
1:06 am

What trips me out is Josh is right, but he’s also at fault here.

It’s true that quick, perimeter scoring forwards are not a good matchup for him. We’ve seen this before. At the same time, he didn’t give a total effort all the time, and it ony made things easier for Maggette.

However, their is also the frustation he has of guys not sticking together on defense, or helping where they should. It’s the same old problem. Bibby and Jamal either can’t or don’t keep up. Not having Mo (who will usually give the effort, and can guard 2s, though limited against 3s), or Marvin (can guard quicker 3s) only exasperated the issue.

Don’t know if anyone noticed, but it was all perimeter shooting players who did the damage. Jennings, Salmons, Ilyasova, and Maggette. Milwaukee bigs didn’t do much of anything inside. Even then, only Gooden was impressive on the glass with 10 boards.

The issue is what it has been, and where it has been. On top of that, we didn’t shoot or pass well. Josh was right about that, too.

Then we gave up. Now we get to see how Drew and his two new team captains start handling that. Adversity is here. Time to pay the piper.

Anybody wondering why we didn’t grab another wing that’s bigger than Mo Evans, or sign up a defensive backup pg who has no aggression issues….instead of Etan “I don’t play, and I’m rusty” Thomas?

MChaseD

November 11th, 2010
1:11 am

As much as people want to say Marvin is a bust, we NEED him!!!! And Mo! The line up we’ve been running the last few games is not suitable to our team. Simple as that.

northcyde

November 11th, 2010
1:13 am

MsDee . . . I personally could care less about what Miami and Orlando are doing. The fact is that this team has lost to 3 winning teams, while feasting on the weak opponents that we had in the first 6 games. Our schedule so far has been a cakewalk, compared to Orlando and Miami.

Our tough games in November are at home, the place where we usually play well at. But if we can’t beat good teams at home, we’re going to be in a seeding fight for spots 4 through 8 all year.

Don’t get it twisted MsDee . . . this Hawks team was READY tonight. We had a 13 point lead in the first quarter. They came out like world beaters.

It was the sorry play of our bench . . the guys who should be rested and ready to go every night, that lost this game. When you miss shots, don’t play defense, and turn the ball over like they’ve done the past 3 games, you’re going to lose.

Stop making excuses for these guys. Good teams like ours aren’t supposed to get the hell beat out of us at home.

northcyde

November 11th, 2010
1:16 am

Big Ray . . . we all discussed upgrading this bench over the summer. That’s why Rick Sund has to take the brunt of what is going on now vs these good teams. The indications were there when we were struggling a bit to beat these bad teams. Now the good teams are finishing us off, or we have to fight like hell just to stay in the game.

LOL . . hate to say it, but UTAH may already be a MUST WIN for these guys. We can’t go into December with a 9 – 9 or a 10 – 8 record. That road schedule in December may kill us.

superiorblogman

November 11th, 2010
1:18 am

Hawks blow real good.

cp

November 11th, 2010
1:19 am

they quit straight plain and simple smh

Ramon

November 11th, 2010
1:22 am

Why is Eric Bledsoe (the other UK point guard not named Wall) looking and playing better than Teague? He seems to have great awareness, and refuse to be denied when he wants to go somewhere on the court.

MsDee

November 11th, 2010
2:31 am

@northcyde, I hear what you are saying and I do agree but at the same time fatigue can kick in out of no where esp when there is no rest in between. Yes, we may have STARTED out strong but we FINISHED lazy. And Yes, the bench sucks right now for us but that’s where LD needs to sub one player at a time when needed. If JJ is winded, then sub him ONLY or Teague for Bibby when needed. No need to CONTINUE to put the whole bench in at the same time when we dont have a ‘bench’ to begin with. We have to use what we have WISELY, until SUND can come thru for us with the right pieces. And not sure if you noticed but JJ and Josh have been playing some heavy mins, with ONE off day in between the next games. That aren’t going to cut it for those 2. They NEED rest, that’s NOT an excuse..THAT’S A FACT!!

vava74

November 11th, 2010
3:59 am

We were beaten on the perimeter. Plain and simple.

AND, it was the 3rd game in a row that Jamal came off the bench stone cold and completely disrupting the motion offense.

Last 3 games, 3 Hawks losses:

vs PHO – Jamal was 3/11 – 4 ass 3 TO (+- of +4 BUT he had ZERO buckets until the 3rd quarter)
@ ORL – Jamal was 4/11 – 1 ass 2 TO (+- of -15)
vs MIL – Jamal was 2/7 – 5 ass 0 TO (+- of -25 – worst in the team while still benefiting from a few minutes in which the team crawled back to respectable numbers)

His body language has been completely wrong and the motion offense stalls with him on the floor.

Sure, he had a few games this season in which his instant offense was ON and scored a bunch of points helping us extend or get good leads, but the problem is that nothing in Jamal’s game is structured, its a crap-shoot, a pure individual exercise of hit or miss.

Against PHO we lost control of the game when he came in, against ORL we lost the advantage we built (zero field goals and 2 turnovers during a stretch in which Zaza also buried us with 2 TO) and again against MIL he came in and the offense went completely dead within him missing shots and his defensive assignments.

MsDee

November 11th, 2010
4:07 am

@vav74, very good point. I didnt realize how bad Jamal has been playing these last 3 games. Maybe its all the trade rumors getting to him that causing him to not care anymore with the Hawks. I truly believed he thought he was part of ‘the core’ here in Atlanta but instead, SUND has made it very clear to him that he’s not. He’s human and maybe its affecting him more than he wants it to.

Clyde

November 11th, 2010
4:29 am

6 wins in a row now we loose 3 in a row and people start getting worried. Where is the faith?

JoJo the Godfather

November 11th, 2010
5:59 am

I can’t say much about Sund picking up Thomas over another wing…If it was Pachulia & Collins hurt rather than Marvin & Mo, then we’d be trying to win with Horford & Powell as our only centers. However, there is still that 15th roster spot open, and if the team knew the shape of Mo’s knee all summer, then for those reasons alone, I can criticize Sund for not having another SF on this team.

Having to move Josh to the 3 and count on balance from Horford, Pachulia, Collins & Powell just won’t work…Having to move Joe to the 3 and count on balance from Bibby, Jamal, Jordan & Jeff is even worse.

JustAThought

November 11th, 2010
6:31 am

Wasn’t it a back to back game for the Bucks………

vava74

November 11th, 2010
7:07 am

At least Teague showed all the doubters that he has excellent passing skills.

Bounce penetration passes, scoop passes, fake pass followed by quick release penetration passes.

He showed his PG arsenal.

His defense and his shot remain a work in progress but my guess is that he just needs minutes, to play back to back games at 25/30 minutes.

LD said that he will look at the last 3 games again and see the substitution patterns.

Here is a simple change:

Instead of Jamal, get TEAGUE as the first guy off the bench WITH ZAZA. It is obvious that they mesh well and that Zaza’s production improves with good penetration passing.

Jamal is being extremely detrimental to the flow of the game and even Jordan has showed much better discipline and involvement in the team offense.

Jamal should be traded ASAP and to be honest, I would even accept a protected 1st round pick as the only payback.

O'Brien

November 11th, 2010
7:30 am

MsDee,

The Bucks were playing their second night in 2 days (although the Knicks game was not close, so they probably didn’t play major minutes).

And what about Utah? They were 22 down against Miami in Miami, but they won in OT. And then they were down 18 in Orlando on a back to back, and they came back and won.

Hawks have no “fatigue” excuses. Bottom line is effort wasn’t there, energy wasn’t there, and team work wasn’t there.

Ray,

The interesting thing to me, is the Hawks have 3 captains .

But yet… Maybe worst of all, the Hawks stayed down once they got down. “That’s a big concern because I’ve always looked at this team as when it gets a little tough, we have a tendency to hold our head down,” L.D. said..

So with 3 captains, we still don’t have a leader on the court to bring the guys together in the second quarter and calm them down? Is every captain waiting on the next captain to huddle the team together? Or are they all looking at the coach saying its his job to get everybody on the same page?

I knew it was over for the Hawks when I saw Smoove get frustrated and fall into one of his don’t give a flip moods in the second quarter.” MC .

And I dont want to see that from my team captain, especially in the second quarter.

Double Zero Eight

November 11th, 2010
7:51 am

The Hawks won’t win the conference with the current roster. They can’t beat Boston or Orlando in a
playoff series. That’s the ugly truth.

The Real Team

November 11th, 2010
7:59 am

Finally, the real Hawks team is showing up. If they don’t make a trade for a big man or another scorer, it will be a long season.

The Truth

November 11th, 2010
8:02 am

From previous blog (edited):

How is it that Josh Smith playing the SF/PF had more rebounds (8) than Al Horford playing the C/PF(6)? Can anybody on this team get a rebound? The Bucks total rebound was 44, the Hawks total rebound was 32. For the last 3 games, our worst quarter has been the 3rd. What is LD preaching in the locker room at the half? What ever it is, it’s not uplifting. We lost this game because:

The Bucks bench is better than the Hawks bench. But worst, our bench just sucks
A shout-out to Zaza, he sucked even worst
Jamal is playing uninspired ball resulting in little offense and a liability on defense
JJ started hot ended cold, back to hog ball again, too many jumpers not enough FT
Al Horford is emerging to be consistent offense but little else
Bibby, no preparation and it showed
Josh Smith got discouraged in the 3rd and lost interest
Note to Josh Powell: Because you played for the Lakers with rings doesn’t make you a superstar; more is required than just offense.
We need a blue-collar worker

It is clear now why Mario got PT on this team. He epitomize what this team lacks. Heart.

Section 303

November 11th, 2010
8:04 am

This team will never get over these mental issues. I’m convinced of that. Here’s what will happen: They will rise up and beat Utah on Friday, just because everyone is cutting on them for last night’s debacle. Then, they will beat Minny (Minny sucks) and then start losing again. Same story, different year. I’ve never seen a bigger collection of head cases.

Very sorry for the people who were there last night (I am glad to say I couldn’t make it last night). This team does not deserve the few fans it does have.

JeJe

November 11th, 2010
8:09 am

“2.BOSH FOR JAMAL, ZAZA, the heat are looking for a banger down low.”

LOL! Like ZaZa is any better than the scrub bigs they have there

THIS TEAM PLAYS NO DEFENSE

THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY

SUND IS TERRIBLE AT DRAFTING

THIS TEAM HAS GIVEN UP 100+ POINTS TO 5 OPPONENTS, ALL OF WHICH ARE INFERIOR TEAMS. GOOD JOB DREW. YOUR GOLDEN STATE OFFENSE REALLY WORKS, GIVEN THAT WE HAVEN’T HAD ONE BLOWOUT WIN

ILL-Logical

November 11th, 2010
8:13 am

@ MC: I knew it was over for the Hawks when I saw Smoove get frustrated and fall into one of his don’t give a flip moods in the second quarter.

Really. For someone who says they just report the facts, that is a very interesting “fact”.

My observation was that as soon as Joe went iso and stopped passing the ball to a) ASA who was hot and b) Josh who was open several times under the bucket, the game tempo changed. And inspite of several open looks at the 3 point line courtesy of Josh’s dribble penetration,Joe wiffed. If you look at the stats for the last 3 games, Joe’s shooting % is muy malo( just trying to give you a little South Florida flashback).

So if you are going to assign individual blame based on your astute observations, be prepared to be challenged on the facts. After all, ball don’t lie.

terrell

November 11th, 2010
8:18 am

It was just one of those nights. EVERY NBA TEAM has em. Chill out for crying out loud. And we’re missing 2 of our top 8 players btw. Not making excuses, but still.

JeJe

November 11th, 2010
8:20 am

LOLOLOL 3 CAPTAINS.

HORFORD U NEED TO SPEAK TO THESE CLOWNS AND UNITE THE TEAM AND DEMAND THE BALL MORE IN THE POST

3 CAPTAINS LOL. WHY NOT HAVE 8 CAPTAINS? WE’RE A HAPPY FAMILY!

JeJe

November 11th, 2010
8:28 am

AMEN SECTION 303.

LOL HORFORD IN HIS “HOT STREAK” AVERAGED 6 REBOUNDS

THAT’S AN ANEMICALLY ABYSMAL NUMBER

Section 303

November 11th, 2010
8:29 am

If Rick Sund can’t see that a shake up is needed with this roster then he is either just blind or does not care. This group has been together for years now. They haven’t changed. Yes, the win total has gone up, but this group still folds too easy. Like last night.

Time to make a move. Time to bring a player or two in here who won’t quit every time adversity hits.

Kills me reading Josh’s comments about how they will fix this. B#ll sh#t! They won’t fix anything. They will win a few games and say everything is fine, but go back quitting shortly after.

Still can’t believe all the pats on the back the Hawks got for losing to Orlando on Monday. They should have won that game. Surprised this loser organization does not hang a banner in Philips Arena, advertising that they almost beat the Magic.