Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 100, Cavaliers 88

Hawks are 4-0. (AP Photo)

Hawks are 4-0. (AP Photo)

– The Hawks keep squandering leads to teams with less talent but they keep winning games.

– “We are handling situations better,” Al said. “Last year this would have been a game we let slip away. We feel confident. We are going to keep working to get better. We still have a ways to go.”

– Even so they are 4-0, 3-0 on the road and showing that they can be very difficult to guard when they share the ball and take care of it. Maybe it won’t be so easy once opponents start catching on to these new-look Hawks (and when the opponents get better). Or maybe the Hawks get better at running L.D’s motion sets and their balance and talent still win out.

– “Our guys are starting to buy into it and they are really playing together and they are playing very unselfish,” Drew said. “If they continue to do that, they will spread the wealth among the points. The feel of it right now that I am getting from the players is they are really starting to feel good about themselves and what we are doing.”

– L.D. had a talk with Marvin after he didn’t score against the Wizards: “I told him I had to get him more shots. I have got to put him in better situations. I want him to be more offensive-minded. With that being said, I don’t want him forcing things. I thought tonight he did a great job. When I ran plays for him he was aggressive. When ran plays for someone else, he waited until the ball rotated around to him and he knocked the shot down. But I’ve got to get him more touches.”

– That’s a good idea when he’s going like this. “I really wanted to be aggressive from the jump,” Marvin said. “Last game I wasn’t aggressive at all, and it hurts my team when I’m not very aggressive. I really wanted to come out and establish myself early.”

– L.D. replaced Jamal with Marvin with 4:50 to go despite Jamal’s 16 points on seven shots. Jamal didn’t look happy about it. Marvin got a rebound, made two free throws and buried a key jumper down the stretch.

– The Hawks got all the open looks they wanted in the first quarter. With Marvin involved, the Hawks had five guys who were threats to score and the Cavs just couldn’t guard them all. The numbers were ridiculous: 15/21 field goals, 11 assists, one turnover, seven guys with points.

– “I thought they hit some tough shots, but we had some defensive lapses as well,” Byron Scott said. “Then they got going and we still challenged shots and they still made them. You have to figure at some point they are going to calm down and miss some of those shots.”

– It happened in the third quarter, but really I thought Atlanta’s problems putting Cleveland away were due to lax halfcourt D in the first half. It wasn’t such an issue because they had seven steals in the half but the Cavs made it a game when they held on to the ball in the third quarter.

– L.D. didn’t see it that way: “I thought we were OK [defensively]. Hickson made some shots. He shot the ball a lot better than what I anticipated, I give him credit for that. Our defense was really solid. Pick-and-roll we did a great job. Coming in our gameplan was to limit their transition game, which we did. Only two transition points in the first half. Overall I thought our defense was pretty good, they just made shots.”

Smoove continues to hold down the back line against all comers. He had five blocked shots and 11 rebounds and his 3 for 11 shooting hardly mattered with Marvin picking up the slack.

– “That’s what makes me special,” Josh said, grinning. “I don’t mean to pat myself on the back, I don’t hang my head because I’m not making shots. I have so many [other] attributes to be able to help my team. I did that on the defensive and offensive boards. I was able to deflect some shots, and whenever you deflect shots early it makes teams think about coming in there.”

– He made two long jumpers but was missing around the rim. Go figure.

– Another night where J.J. shot the ball poorly but the Hawks won. He started off overpowering Anthony Parker and Daniel Gibson in the post but never really went back to that.

– it turns out that poor opener at Memphis was an anomaly for Horford. He posted his third straight double-double. For some reason, the Cavs left him completely alone at the top of the key to make a jumper to put Atlanta up 95-87. Maybe that’s just the poison they decided to pick.

– “He’s doing a tremendous job for us,” L.D. said of Al. “He’s rebounding the ball, he’s hitting his perimeter shots and he’s doing a little bit of everything. When he’s playing that way, we’re a very effective ballclub.”

– Another game where Teague couldn’t finish when he went to the basket and didn’t come close to making a jumper. But it really does make a difference when he’s pressuring the ball. There are fewer breakdowns.

– Some Cleveland reporters asked Hawks players about not getting as much attention as Boston, Orlando and Miami. They didn’t pull the no respect card.

– “If you look at Boston and Orlando they are the teams that have had success in the last couple years,” Al said. “Obviously Miami with their Big Three. We are going to keep going about our business, keep playing and get better. We will get our respect when it’s due. We just have to prove it to people.”

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

148 comments Add your comment

Freshmaker

November 2nd, 2010
11:52 pm

Great win by the Hawks. Very encouraging to see them playing so well on the road so far. They really struggled away from Philips last year, so this definitely some good progress.

Najeh Davenpoop

November 3rd, 2010
12:01 am

Teague did swish a jumper from the top of the key… unfortunately it was after the whistle blew.

hawkfan

November 3rd, 2010
12:09 am

good win, but I won’t get too high on it, last time i checked a couple of years back during the season after we made it back to the playoffs we were 7-0 or something like that, then we faced boston and lost by pierce’s last second shot and then went on a losing streak and we all the know the rest of that story, so hopefully it does not happen again this year when we face the magic, let’s be glad but not giddy now since we really have not done anything, I’ll wait until I see the orlando game (and that will also be on the road) before I give a correct prognosis on this team, GO HAWKS!!!

ATLBOUND

November 3rd, 2010
12:22 am

I hope they keep improving their chemistry and teamwork before they really go against a championship contendor! So far good slow progress! GO HAWKS!

truthspitter

November 3rd, 2010
12:23 am

I have actually seen the value of Teague on the defensive end this year but he has a long long way to go. He should have tried to finish with his left hand on that break. To think about it I don’t know if I have ever seen him finish with his left hand and that is another problem. He has to be able to make some type of shot consistently and he needs more time on floor without Jamal so he can get used to making quicker decisions in the offensive sets. Jamal does not seem gitty this year and we all can speculate why. Finally, we need another post up guy since it seems that Al and Josh are both ineffective in the post way too often. Al is probably gonna end up making his living off of a mid range jumper that is becoming deadly. Josh can’t do anything on the offensive end consistently and that has to change or LD’s offense is not going to hold up through a long year including the playoffs.

truthspitter

November 3rd, 2010
12:24 am

hawkfan

November 3rd, 2010
12:09 am

good win, but I won’t get too high on it, last time i checked a couple of years back during the season after we made it back to the playoffs we were 7-0 or something like that, then we faced boston and lost by pierce’s last second shot and then went on a losing streak and we all the know the rest of that story, so hopefully it does not happen again this year when we face the magic, let’s be glad but not giddy now since we really have not done anything, I’ll wait until I see the orlando game (and that will also be on the road) before I give a correct prognosis on this team, GO HAWKS!!!

6-0 I think a TrueHawksFan would remember that.

Mel

November 3rd, 2010
12:35 am

I am very, very proud of the boys, for a team the Chris Webber said wouldn’t even make the playoffs this year. I think we are playing very well. The key so far is we are beating the teams that we are suppose to beat. The only thing we have to sure up is we have such big leads coming out the half that we come out very sluggish almost like we have won the game already…I know this may sound funny but I would pull the starting lineup after the first 2min of the 3rd quarter or even start the bench after half time because they always play with more energy then the starting unit, and they pressure the ball better because of Jeff Teague, one thing I can say about Teague, he may look lost at times but he plays D. He may be, naw I take that back he is the best on the ball defender we have and he gets better every game. Then after about 5min you can put the starters back in.

Rufus1

November 3rd, 2010
12:47 am

The Difference

LD tries to put players in a position to succeed, instead of telling them to “figure it out”. When a 6′0 guard is defending your 6′9 small forward, you attack the “miss-match”. That action caused BScott to takeout Gibson, who was shooting the ball well……Wow is having a COACH A NICE THING

Tom

November 3rd, 2010
12:50 am

if this team learns how to step up their defensive play they will be very dangerous. huge IF but one can hope.

ignition

November 3rd, 2010
12:51 am

Good win.. I liked Josh’s comment due what it takes to help your team win.. If we can get that kind of production from Marvin consistently then oh boy watch out.. I like LD is actually MAKING plays for our players rather than looking silly on the sideline running ISO’s..

The Truth

November 3rd, 2010
12:52 am

The best quote he ever made:

“Don’t get too high when you win or too low when you lose”

Rick Sund

Mel

November 3rd, 2010
12:56 am

I feel what truthspitter is saying about our post game,,,,but if you have been watching the hawks games you would notice that the offense is being run through the big men, they are being used to set screens and feed back cuts and things of that nature, and to be honest its working,,, i mean the shooters are so open it aint funny, they are getting any shot they want… I mean besides today Joe has been getting 22 points a game and easy too. I mean you dont even know he has 20 points or so till they say Joe has 22 point and your like… what!! how? and its not just him,, I really like the offense because any body could have 20 to 30 points any given night and most of the time he have been haveing like 2 or 3 with 20 plus and 3 or 4 with like 17 to 19 points…. look this offense allowed ZA ZA to score 20 plus and 11 Boards he looked like an ALLSTAR LOL

jdewayneatl

November 3rd, 2010
1:06 am

How ironic that the issue brought up by ole’ Mike C. would be addressed so quickly.

“The Bibby-Jamal-Joe alignment certainly can score with the best of them. But if L.D. sticks with that lineup to finish game, it’s another example of how he must get more from some players who haven’t proven they are suited to do what he’s asking.”

What a way to come through in the clutch Marv!

A common theme through these first four games is that LD will ride the hot hand and this offense is suited to find the hot hand, (every starter had a shot attempt within the first 6 or 7 possessions). Also, LD plays the winning hand. Im sure that the best five will be playing at the end of games to pull out the win!

jdewayneatl

November 3rd, 2010
1:09 am

And it was pretty obvious that JC1 was not happy to be coming out of the game. I hope that that does not have any lingering affects on his game and attitude if he is not one of the players on the court to end the game.

That is really why he probably bought into coming off the bench so easily, because he that although he wasn’t starting, he was getting starter’s minutes and he was always on the floor to close out games which is one of his strengths with he being ready and willing to take the big shots.

Scoop

November 3rd, 2010
1:11 am

I was very eager to see how Marvin would preform in this game after laying in egg against Washington. For years, I have been harping about how under-utilized Marvin has been and I was afraid the trend would continue under new management; this was not the case.
From the get-go tonight Marvin was involved and aggressive and was rewarded for his effort with extended minutes when Jamal subbed for Bibby in the first quarter. Last year the sub-on-schedule style of Woodson would have killed all momentum the team had offensively but we scored 40 points!!!!!
Hearing Coach Drew immediately acknowledge Marvin’s involvement against Washington is a very positive sign for things to come in my opinion.
A few things I would like to see in the future is Marvin on the wing next to Joe when he goes isolation. A problem I’ve noticed is Smoove is on the wing next to Joe and defenses use his man to double Joe leaving him with the unresistible open jump shot. If instead Marvin were alligned next to Joe that would keep defenses more honest and Smoove where he is best-UNDER THE BASKET. This would also give Marvin more easy looks.
I also want to see the Hawks play more zone against teams. Were at our best in transition, plus we’re so athletic that I feel like we’re one of the few teams that could utilize this scheme-especially against the Heat.
Scoop

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

November 3rd, 2010
1:32 am

Nice to see Marvin bounce back strong, Josh steps up in other ways when his “high percentage” shots are not falling and his man defense is not clicking – the blocks, rebounds, steals are what make him invaluablw to the franchise. Another great road win. It would sure be nice to end the season at an above 500 clip and match last season’s home record.

Wabe

November 3rd, 2010
1:33 am

Mel

November 3rd, 2010
12:35 am

one thing I can say about Teague, he may look lost at times but he plays D. He may be, naw I take that back he is the best on the ball defender we have and he gets better every game.

I was echoing this thought yesterday or the day before when the blog had all the JT0 “bust” talk going. I didn’t go as far as to call him the absolute best on-ball defender, but it’s a toss up between he and JJ. It’s up for debate.

But, being the best “on-ball defender” doesn’t have the same ring to it when you’re playing with the likes of Bibby and JC1 in the backcourt. Neither one of those guys can really play much defense. But, I like what JT0 brings on the defensive end. Say what you want about him not being the Hawks PG of the future. But, right now, with little to no offensive game, he’s still a valuable asset simply because he offers a skill set that very few others (if any) on the Hawks roster offer.

Solid defender.
Pass first penetrating PG.
Lightning quick to help speed up the tempo.

He may not have what it takes at this point to surpass Bibby on the depth chart, but he’s an asset nonetheless. Do you guys not remember all of the whining we heard last season about Bibby’s inability to stay in front of opposing PG’s? Bibby getting torched by every PG we play? Well, here’s your answer. Teague may not bring the same capabilities scoring wise – but he neutralizes that if he can contain other PG’s on the defensive end.

If he can ever get his offensive game on point, this kid *can be* scary.

The one thing I’ll say, I think Teague needs a little more burn with a different look in terms of the rotation. Typically, I’m seeing him out there with him and Jamal in the backcourt – with Powell and Zaza in the frontcourt. Jamal tends to dominate the ball more times than not when he’s out there with this group. I’d like to see him go a bit more with JJ and Jamal together like we saw for a good portion of this game in the 2nd half. There are more options for him and lanes open up for him seeing JJ and Jamal are pretty solid from beyond the arc. We’ll see what happens as the season moves forward.

4-0’s all that matters at this point.

Big Ray

November 3rd, 2010
2:08 am

The Cavs are a hot, sick mess that has issues scoring. Our collapse in the third and part of the fourth quarter made me almost turn the game off. Seriously, and I’m usually not nearly this negative. A few things really bugged me –

1) Smoove and his jump shooting. How many times did he go inside? I think he had one, maybe two inside buckets. What was with all the jumpers and 3s? I don’t have an issue with a couple/few jumpers a game, but bruh….LD said “establish yourself inside FIRST”, not “make 7 of your 11 shots jumpers!”

2) I’m gonna pick on my man Smoove AGAIN. 5 blocks is awesome. Getting torched by J.J. Hickson for 30 points on 65% shooting is NOOOOOOOOT . Especially after Darrell Arthur touched you up for around 20 a couple of games ago.

Top shot blocker? Sure. DPOY? Nope. #1 defensive PF in the league? Not when you let those 2nd and 3rd year young bucks bust you up like that.

Jamal looked very good for us. Good thing he did, Joe’s shot was OFF.

Joe dished out some serious assists.

Marvin looked good. I’m waiting to see this happen a couple times in a row, then maybe several times a month. Heh….

Teague is learning to be a better defender every game. Still reaching and trying to block shots from behind when he gets to lax in his stance, though. Dude’s gonna learn some very serious lessons against Detroit. Gordon and Stuckey are no joke. Good test for him, though the results might be painful.

Horford is solid as a rock. Nice double double.

Josh Powell = best veteran minimum contract we’ve picked up in over a decade. Fuh real.

jdewayneatl

November 3rd, 2010
2:37 am

@Big Ray

I can understand your concern for J-Smooves on-ball D thus far, but to his defense and LD mentioned this, Hickson was hitting his jumpers. The same can be said for Arthur in the game against Memphis. I would argue that it is more a part of the defensive scheme for Smoove to protect the paint and live with the jump shot.

If you noticed Andray Blatche jump shot was off in the game against Washington, so he obviously was less successful vs Smoove.

northcyde

November 3rd, 2010
3:43 am

MC . . you are right on point sir, with your evaulation of the Hawks 1st half ( really 1st quarter ) defense. While we shot the ball lights out in that 1st quarter, the Cavs shot 60+% FG as well. If not for the turnovers, that could’ve been a 36 – 36 tie at the end of the 1st. The Hawks 2nd and 4th quarter defense was right on point. The 1st and 3rd quarter defense was shaky as hell.

MsDee

November 3rd, 2010
3:55 am

The Hawks are 4-0 but us so called fans will ALWAYS find fault in us…3 of those 4 games are on the ROAD..Northcyde, ON THE ROAD!! Weren’t u the one who constantly harped on the Hawks for losing on the road?? And there are the fans that cry about the Hawks having a 4-0 record against the “sorry’ teams, well would u rather us be 0-4 against these ’sorry’ teams??? Then you have the fans who cry about us losing a huge league EVEN THOUGH WE STILL WON THE GAME. If I’m not mistaken, didnt Boson, in the opening night, lose a very nice 20+ lead to the lowly Heat, and they were lowly that night. Boston had LeBron and friends looking amess out there but nevr-the-less, Miami made a run, LIKE MOST TEAMS DO, but fortunately for Boston,(a veteran team) knew how to keep their composure and get a win out of it…well, we do the SAME IDENTICAL THING,

MsDee

November 3rd, 2010
3:57 am

The Hawks are 4-0 but us so called fans will ALWAYS find fault in us…3 of those 4 games are on the ROAD..Northcyde, ON THE ROAD!! Weren’t u the one who constantly harped on the Hawks for losing on the road?? And there are the fans that cry about the Hawks having a 4-0 record against the “sorry’ teams, well would u rather us be 0-4 against these ’sorry’ teams??? Then you have the fans who cry about us losing a huge league EVEN THOUGH WE STILL WON THE GAME. If I’m not mistaken, didnt Boson, in the opening night, lose a very nice 20+ lead to the lowly Heat, and they were lowly that night. Boston had LeBron and friends looking amess out there but nevr-the-less, Miami made a run, LIKE MOST TEAMS DO, but fortunately for Boston,(a veteran team) knew how to keep their composure and get a win out of it…well, we do the SAME IDENTICAL THING, but we get blasted by our so call fans that we let a team, the same team by-the way that beat Boston, make a run on us. Where is the logic????? The game of basketball is about runs…team WILL make a run but its up to the winning team at the time to keep their composure and finish them off with a win and the Hawks did just that!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yall fans kill me!!

vava74

November 3rd, 2010
4:17 am

northcyde,

CLE’s turnovers were generated by our defense.

It was not stellar but it generated extra possessions.

The only guy which was not contained at all was Hickson, who i believe will have a breakout year.

More: the cavs biggest mistake last year was to get jamison and sacrifice the hickson-varejao quick and young combo in favour of Shaq-Jamison old legs and no D.

terrell

November 3rd, 2010
5:35 am

Hawks woulda lost this game under Woodson. Starters woulda been too tired to fight back after we blew the lead.

terrell

November 3rd, 2010
5:37 am

Where are all the LD haters? Just curious.

JustAThought

November 3rd, 2010
6:45 am

Don’t worry terrell, it’ll be May soon enough! Then Cleveland, Memphis and the Sixer’s will be home watching……

JustAThought

November 3rd, 2010
6:46 am

Sorry I forgot to mention the Wiz as well……….

JustAThought

November 3rd, 2010
6:48 am

MsDEE the logic maybe in the fact that as you stated the “hawk” fans…

Ramon

November 3rd, 2010
7:06 am

Big Ray, 6 of Josh 11 shots were around the basket. And he was 2 for 4 on his mid range jumpers (that’s 50%). The one three that he attempted was at the end of the shot clock with 55 seconds left in the game, and the game had already been won. So Smoove’s jumper wasn’t that terrible tonight. It was the shots that he missed around the basket that hurt his average. And also Smoove had four assists to go with ZERO turnovers.

Ramon

November 3rd, 2010
7:08 am

Ramon

November 3rd, 2010
7:15 am

Also Big Ray, in games where majority of the game is a double digit lead, someone on the other team is going to rack up a lot of points. If the other team is scoring off of their power forward (not named Dirk) hitting seven jumpers, then that is just a shot as a defense that you have to concede, especially when six of those jumpers were made in the first half when the team was up by more than 10-14 points.

O'Brien

November 3rd, 2010
7:36 am

“Where are all the LD haters? Just curious.”terrell .

We haven’t heard from Samuel in a while. He’ll probably show up when the Hawks lose a game they should have won, or get blown out.

Ray, Ramon,

I like Josh’s effort on the boards. And he had 4 assists, no turnovers. Also, the blocks are good, because he is helping to defend the paint, and he is cleaning up other guys’ mistakes.

Ramon has a good point about Hickson and the jumpers. But he also went to the FT line 11 times.

I think Josh’s mind is still conditioned to go for the block. On multiple occasions, rather than trying to stay in front of Hickson, he let him go by, and tried to go for the block. And on other occasions, he gave him too much space to shoot the jumper.

The blocks will come, but Darrell Arthur and JJ Hickson both had career highs against him. I know there are no stats for staying in front of your man, but I would like to see Josh focus more on his man to man defense, and body up the opponent.

O'Brien

November 3rd, 2010
7:40 am

Our average margin of victory is only 8.5 points, despite the fact that the teams we’ve played are not very good.

However, we are still learning, and we’re 4-0 (3-0) on the road. Good job Hawks, good game Marvin.

Lets beat the Pistons tonight.

joBjo

November 3rd, 2010
7:47 am

got to agree with OB.
Josh cannot claim to be a great defensive player if the guys he is guarding have career nights against him.

dukester

November 3rd, 2010
7:52 am

Well as far as Josh if he had 5 blocks he probably altered 7 shots and made 3 change their mind about shooting at all. Look to say Josh’s defensive assignment had career highs against him is not fair because believe me those 5 blocks were not his man. Come on folks give the guy a break he makes steals at the top of key block shots in the paint the dude is not super man!! Why couldnt you say “we need to play better team defense” when Josh leaves his man to go help some one should rotate over and cover where Josh left! We are 4-0 enough said one game at a time for me.

J from the A

November 3rd, 2010
7:56 am

Ramon said: “Big Ray, 6 of Josh 11 shots were around the basket. And he was 2 for 4 on his mid range jumpers (that’s 50%). The one three that he attempted was at the end of the shot clock with 55 seconds left in the game, and the game had already been won. So Smoove’s jumper wasn’t that terrible tonight. It was the shots that he missed around the basket that hurt his average. And also Smoove had four assists to go with ZERO turnovers.”

Co-sign this. I thought Josh’s shot selection was much better. He was simply struggling AROUND THE BASKET. His post up shots weren’t dropping, and when he tried to drive to get a shot around the rim, well, those shots weren’t dropping either.

Fundamentals

November 3rd, 2010
8:01 am

Not too worried about the lapses and the margin of victory. Fact of the matter is these Hawks have begun to find a way to correct the lapses and shut the door on inferior teams. A skill set Woodson couldn’t establish. A very good sign of development as a team.

Marvin said it best when he said he has to be aggressive. LD proved that he’s coaching by sitting him down and talking to the kid. Marvin came out strong and had a great game. When he offers that to us it gives us that missing piece. When he shows up the weakest link becomes our biggest assett. I’ll get bashed, but I hope the kid sees what plugging in can do for this team. He’s vital to our success.

Jamal did look a bit miffed in the 4th, but he’s got to realize we know what he’s going to provide. We know what he can do. We’ve got to inspire Marvin. It isn’t about who finishes in the 4th, it’s about winning. We need Marvin to do that. Props to LD for inspiring and utilizing Marvin tonight. Most likely we’ll need JC1’s firepower tonight.

Great job Hawks. You made Chris Webber apologize. Keep improving, not to prove everyone wrong, but to demonstrate the immense talent we have on this squad.

Fundamentals

November 3rd, 2010
8:09 am

Did anyone notice that when Josh did make his jumpers it didn’t faze him? He didn’t smile, didn’t act surprised, it was just business? Did you also notice when they go in they’re in the flow of the offense. No stalling, looking around then shooting the brick. He just caught the ball, shot it and went on w/ his business like it’s an everyday thing for him.

His outside shooting still scares me every time, but I think he’s more confident in this system and thus it shows when his shots for the most part are falling from outside.

Mike is back

November 3rd, 2010
8:16 am

Big Ray, first off on Smoove defense on Hickson…Dude scored the majority of his point from jump shots. I can live with Hickson hoisting up jump shots…cause he can also take you off the dribble…and finish strong at the rack. Over all thought Josh had a good game…take away the ill-advised jump shots, and Josh would have had a great game.

On the third quarter melt downs…LD is going with a deeper rotation…the reserves are getting an opportunity to play meaningful minutes. As the season rolls on this will pay dividend for LD.

It might be just me…but the Hawks just look like a difference team under LD. They actually look like they have a clue now. The adjustment to go with Marvin down stretch last night…is just one example.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jg

November 3rd, 2010
8:32 am

Any win is great on the road, so I’ll definitely take this one against Cleveland. With or without James-I hope the Hawks pound that team every time this year. We certainly owe them!!!

Tremendous 1st Quarter: 40 points and an off the chart fg percentage. But how do you score 40 in 12 minutes (1 qtr.) and then not get a total of 40 in the next two quarters? I think they scored 34 combined in the 2nd and 3rd. While I love the Hawks–they are SO inconsistent. If shots go in they are outstanding. But when shots aren’t falling they are subject to get beat by 50 by anyone.

With that said–I agree with Al–they may have lost this game last year. So way to hang tough..don’t slip up tonight at home! Go Hawks!

Ramon

November 3rd, 2010
8:46 am

O’Brien, as long as the Hawks have Bibby or JC1 on the court we will never really see Josh play straight up one on one defense (except for when opposition is posting up). If you remember years back, Ben Wallace used to always be the best help defender in the league. And as a result of this who ever he was guarding would often times end up with great point totals, but collectively their team would rarely score enough points to win the game. If Josh takes those extra two steps out to contest the jumper (of a PF), then that opens up the lane for back door cuts, lobs, and slashing down the middle without him having an opportunity to get back. Remember beside Smoove there is no other player on the Hawks who will consistently turn you away from the rim. Because if a team has to live off of their big guys knocking down jumpers to try and outscore you, then you’re going to win more times than not.

Now all of what I said goes the opposite against a team like Orlando (and Dallas) because Lewis and Dirk are both such great shooters that you can’t give them the shot all day. But majority of the teams in the league will have problems with Smoove playing like that.

Also by playing that style (which I have to believe is designed by LD), Smoove haven’t had much foul trouble this season. And that is huge.

jerrywest

November 3rd, 2010
8:47 am

If we can make Marvin avg 18+ points a game, we can fight with the top dogs.

Ramon

November 3rd, 2010
8:49 am

@ JG, important fact that you mentioned with it being Cleveland. Even without Lebron, the Cavs are not used to anything other than winning at home. You don’t win that many games (with pretty much the same roster intact) and forget how you won those games. Lebron was great, but Cleveland’s team defense used to be great. So they still play with a pride when at home.

Ramon

November 3rd, 2010
8:50 am

Jerry, I think if you can get Marvin to average 14 ppg CONSISTENTLY while playing good defense and giving 7-8 reb a game, the Hawks can play with the top dogs.

tim

November 3rd, 2010
8:54 am

I didn’t see a “motion offense” last night. I saw the typical NBA 4 guys standing around watching one guy with the ball.

I also saw Teague shoot ANOTHER air ball…….this time from 15 ft.

And I listened to Gawd Awful Dominique Wilkins give us his “insights” into the game. He’s pathetic.

I also watched Georgia elect one of the most corrupt members of congress to Governor of Ga. Also pathetic.

Wake up…….

Fundamentals

November 3rd, 2010
9:12 am

Sounds like Tim just doesn’t like anything today?

JeJe

November 3rd, 2010
9:24 am

“but really I thought Atlanta’s problems putting Cleveland away were due to lax halfcourt D in the first half”

We were up double figures at halftime.

And Jeff Teague offensively is garbage. Can’t even come close to hitting a jumpshot (MC is spot on with this one).

Good defender though. Too bad starting PGs need to be more than just good defenders to make it in this league.

Fundamentals

November 3rd, 2010
9:39 am

If you have to be a good shooter to be an effective PG how do you explain Rondo?

Teague will settle in. He was good scorer in college, it’ll just take time to build that comfort level to the court in the NBA. I will admit, though, his misses have been terrible when he does shoot them…but then, why does he swish the shot after the whistle? Pressure! He’s essentially under more pressure than a rook now. Thanks Woody.

KevinM

November 3rd, 2010
9:44 am

What was good is the Hawks finally beat Cleveland in Cleveland. If you remember the shot clock debacle last year, it made you wonder if there was something out of their control going on that kept them from keeping a lead…..sure enough, it was happening again. But Cleveland has only Hickson to depend on down the stretch, so the win was there for the taking.
Good comeback by Marvin, LD with his comments, and Smoove knowing he doesn’t always do some things well. Lots of growth still there to take shape, and keep JC1 involved. You like to see him being upset with coming out.

Nothing wrong with 4-0….one at a time. I would expect the bench to play a bigger role tonight. Is it time to blow up the Pistons at 0-4?

O'Brien

November 3rd, 2010
9:45 am

Ramon,

I admit that Josh has a difficult job, because in addition to guarding his man, he has to keep an eye on other people’s man, because Bibby and Jamal are just not good enough on the perimeter defensively.

4 games in, this is Marvin’s scoring. 15 in game one, 7 in game two, 0 in game three, and 22 in game four. We need him to score in double figures every game, none of this 18 points one game, 6 points the next.

But he had a great game last night, so hopefully him and LD can keep it going. He still needs to knock down his 3 pointers though. He is 1-8 (.125) from behind the arc on the season.