Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 99, Wizards 95

Iso-Joe was OK tonight. (Hyosub Shin/ hshin@ajc.com)

Iso-Joe was OK tonight. (Hyosub Shin/ hshin@ajc.com)

– The Hawks are 3-0. Whatever their flaws, they can can take comfort in the fact that they have J.J. and Jamal to make something happen when all else fails.

– J.J. wasn’t hitting early, even when he went to the basket. Then he went off for 14 points in the fourth quarter. “He’s our guy,” L.D. said. “We rely on him a lot down the stretch. I told him I don’t want him to get discouraged. We put the ball in his hands at the end of games.”

– Joe made two iso jumpers that gave the Hawks the final spark they needed. “Joe Johnson hit some tough shots tonight,” Wiz rookie John Wall said. “That’s why he got paid this summer.”

– The Hawks called it a sellout at Philips but the seats weren’t full. Still, it was a pretty good crowd that stayed into it even when the Hawks were dragging. Said J.J.: “It was great to see everybody come out and show their support. We appreciate that.”

– The Hawks wouldn’t have been in position to win if Jamal hadn’t kept them above water in the first half. He had eight points as Atlanta’s bench scored 18 of 26 points in the second quarter and helped limit the Wizards to 13. Jamal will always attack with that floater.

– “‘Instant offense’ Jamal,” Al said. “We have to come up with a nickname for him. That might be a Twitter thing I do. Every time he comes in, he changes the game. We’re lucky to have him.”

– There was a Twin sighting, too. He had a pass go through his hands for a turnover soon after he checked in but quickly made amends. He blocked Andray Blatche’s shot to start a fast break that ended with a layup by Jamal, then harassed Blatche into a miss and followed with a jump shot to tie it at 40-40.

– “We’ve got to provide a lift,” Jamal said of the bench. “We want to push the tempo and get some easy baskets. If our starters are in a funk, we’ve got to get them back on track.”

– After facing two opponents with little post presence (thanks to injuries to Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph), the Hawks were bothered by Washington’s length. Early on all that size packed into a zone had Atlanta taking a lot of jump shots.

– The Wizards bring in waves of athletic bigs. They had 13 blocked shots with JaVale McGee’s eight leading the way. One time Joe missed a layup because McGee was standing nearby.

– “It’s tough,” Al said. “They got to a couple shots I didn’t think they could get and McGee went up and go it. That’s impressive. Those are the teams where you have to go strong to the basket. We did a better job of that in the second half.”

– McGee also threw down a ferocious dunk on Smoove (Al got the heck out of the way). He is a big, athletic dude.

– Another double-double for Al. He made a baseline jumper and then threw down an alley-oop from Smoove to give the Hawks breathing room late.

– L.D. kept urging Teague to use picks and go at the hole. He obliged, though he had trouble finishing among all those big bodies. His jump shot remains a liability.

– At one point in the fourth, L.D. played Bibby and Crawford together with Joe at small forward and Powell and Zaza in the frontcourt.

– Wall brought the Wizards back at the end of the third by scoring 11 points in a row. The Hawks gave him jumpers in the fourth, which is the book on him, and he made 4 of 5. “He’s a blur out there,” Smoove said. “When he’s finishing at the rim and making shots, he’s real tough.”

MC

122 comments Add your comment

John

October 30th, 2010
11:24 pm

What is Lester Connor’s role? He was fired up towards the end, barking out orders. Joe barked back once. Seemed odd. What’s up?

truthspitter

October 30th, 2010
11:34 pm

This team is suspect but I will take 3-0. They really should be 7-0 before they get beatdown by Orlando.

Hmmm

October 30th, 2010
11:43 pm

Hmmm

October 30th, 2010
11:55 pm

Yeah, I wasnt impressed with this game. It’s time to trade marvin. Etiher that or he needs to be banned from the 3pt line like smoove. He’s a midrange guy, and now he’s playing scared AGAIN smh. Hopefully Mo & Pape get well soon cuz we need some kind of production from that spot. I’ve seen enough of Marv in Drews offense to tell by now. I guess a Leopard truly cant change it’s spots. Marvin has reached his ceiling, and it’s not very high. Time to cut our losses and move on. Hi defence (when he’s focused) is really good and will be tough to replace. He does a good job on Lebron and Carmelo.

Bibby & Jamal should be ashamed of themselves (28 pts by the rook) that was some ugly D. At least RECOVER after you go underneath the screen SMH.

Is anyone else tired of Al Thorton going off whenver he plays us? Dude gets punked by all the other 29 teams in the league but because he’s from Perry, GA he gets hype for us. I’m sick of it. SOMEBODY LAY THAT DUDE OUT.

Lastly, the D needs work, Specifically Bibby and JC1 need work. More JT0 & JC2 in this game and wall probably would barely have 20, if that.

I’m loving Zaza 2.0 and Josh Powell out there. They’ve been holding it down.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

October 30th, 2010
11:56 pm

truthspitter – Orlando ain’t beating down atl. sorry brah. they may beat them but no blowout.

Hmmm

October 31st, 2010
12:00 am

In other news, JJ had the firt putback Tip-dunk of his NBA career tonigh LOL. He also tied his carrer high for dunks in a game with two. When I tell you I was shocked, I kid you not. I don’t know whats gotten into him lately, but I like it.

Hmmm

October 31st, 2010
12:00 am

Hmmm

October 31st, 2010
12:03 am

The ally-oop against the sixers shocked me as well. If he kkeps this upsombody may have to make a JJ dunk mix ha!

Hmmm

October 31st, 2010
12:08 am

“McGee also threw down a ferocious dunk on Smoove (Al got the heck out of the way). He is a big, athletic dude.”

Yes, Al did…..smh LOL!

Section 303

October 31st, 2010
12:09 am

Wow! Joe appreciates the fans all of a sudden. Gee…nice of him to say.

I was worried about Wall coming into this one. It seemed like Wall did not get aggressive until the 2nd half. Wonder where that was the first half?

Good win. 3 and 0. Not surprised this one was tough. I thought Marvin was the only real no show tonight. He was a total nonfactor.

Hmmm

October 31st, 2010
12:10 am

Al Horford (21 points and 10 rebounds) and Josh Smith (12 points, 10 rebounds) LOVE IT!

DHunt

October 31st, 2010
12:44 am

Surprised me that LD didn’t go to Teague to try to slow down Wall, but give it up to the young man, cause he is going to do that to a lot of teams before it’s all said and done. It amazes me that people act like these NBA teams should be pushovers. Every team in this league plays hard and any team can beat any other on a good night.

Marvin did not bring his work ethic today. Maybe a little tired, everyone seemed to be. But if he gives us two good games out of three for the rest of the year, I’ll take it, and it will lead to home court advantage.

Orlando did not beat us in the playoffs because we couldn’t handle Howard. They beat us because we couldn’t generate any offense. We beat them 3 times in the regular season last year. Lack of offense will not be the case this year. Howard will get his, but we should be better as a team than Orlando this year.

The Truth

October 31st, 2010
1:16 am

“– L.D. kept urging Teague to use picks and go at the hole. He obliged, though he had trouble finishing among all those big bodies. His jump shot remains a liability.”

From the previous blog

The problem with Teague is his inability to create plays for himself. That’s why he looked even worst in Woody’s ISO offense. I’ve notice when he’s in the game on offense, he basically stands mostly stationary and either waits for an opening from a defensive breakdown or he defers to others. Yes, some of that was because of the Wizard’s zone defense which greatly altered what the Hawks wanted to do in their motion offense. In Drew press conference, he said their “zone defense” forced them into playing a “zone offense”. So, perhaps this hindered Teague’s aggressiveness somewhat. But I don’t believe he is meeting LD’s expectation yet of attacking and dictating the offense the way he envision. Teague is still deferring too much to others. He doesn’t have to have a bully style game like John Walls. He could still force the issue playing a playmaker style of game similar to Rondo. If I had to define Teague style of game at this point, I would base it on the biblical book of Job. Teague just waits and waits until he is blessed with an opening to the rim otherwise he defers. Maybe we are asking too much out of him. He really doesn’t have any wicked crossover or shake and bake moves. Even his jump shot is still a work in progress. Those attributes are not yet in his repertoire necessary to create is own shots. He just relies on his quickness which is fine in the open court but in the half court set, he needs more tricks which he hasn’t shown yet. But to fully understand Teague we have to first understand his background:

“Played two seasons at Wake Forest before declaring early for the 2009 NBA Draft; Speedy and versatile athlete who can played both the point and off-guard position … Saw the bulk of his playing time at shooting guard as a freshman but moved into the starting point guard spot as a sophomore after Ishmael Smith was injured in the preseason … Held on to the starting spot even after Smith’s return … Was one of the top scoring point guards in the nation in 2008-09 … Lightning quick first step allowed him to blow by defenders”

http://wakeforestsports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/teague_jeff00.html

So playing only one year at the PG position at Wake qualifies Teague to be still somewhat “green” at the NBA level since his last year PT was extremely light. Unless Teague evolve and expand his game beyond his brief college days, he may not have the impact some are expecting of him. He may not be that kind of player. It doesn’t necessarily mean he will not have a successful NBA career, it may mean he’s just a good role player. We shall see

Jedi Falcon

October 31st, 2010
1:42 am

The Hawks suck. All they have beaten are scrub teams (and barely). They will be lucky to finish 3rd in their own division.

Jedi Falcon

October 31st, 2010
1:44 am

Wait til the Hawks play Boston or Orlando or Miami or the Lakers or a GOOD team. Then that will shut fans of this crap team up.

Rev in Tampa

October 31st, 2010
1:54 am

Truth, good, thoughtful post. I saw it on the previous blog and was going to post it here for you if you did not repost it.

Jedi Falcon

October 31st, 2010
2:09 am

Joe Johnson – Most Overrated & Overpaid Player in the NBA.

Big Ray

October 31st, 2010
2:12 am

Truth ,

No doubt. Teague’s aggression issues are more to blame than anything else. We already have that problem with Marvin, we do NOT need it in a pg, of all things. Well, he is getting his feet good and wet here in his rookie season 2.0, as I like to call it. He is going to have to accelerate that learning curve, however. I’ll give it about 20 games and then re-gauge where he’s at, but there should definitely be some discernable evidence that he’s improved by then.

hawks_4_life

October 31st, 2010
2:15 am

Just looked at the schedule and by time we play Orlando it will be our third back to back. Wow the schedule gods seem against us on that one.

hawks_4_life

October 31st, 2010
2:16 am

Jedi thanks for being a fan and supporting the team

Big Ray

October 31st, 2010
2:43 am

LOL. Some people are just like that, Hawks 4 life .

As for Orlando, I’m just tired of the blowouts. Sure, I want to win games against them, but I’m really sick of us showing up and laying right down.

i_am_soulstar

October 31st, 2010
2:50 am

3-0… I’m with it.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

October 31st, 2010
3:11 am

@ hawks_4_life, the scheduling gods don’t exist – the nab just wants another blow victory for the Magic. We gott get at it – no excuses, no fear.

Hawks Fan In New Orleans

October 31st, 2010
3:59 am

NBA – my bad

Clyde

October 31st, 2010
4:40 am

Jedi Falcon

October 31st, 2010
5:08 am

When we get beat by Orlando 120-85 this Hawks hype will be laid to rest.

Jedi Falcon

October 31st, 2010
5:10 am

The Hawks are the only NBA team that continues to try to play with No True Center. You have to have a BIG MAN in the Middle that plays DEFENSE.

vava74

October 31st, 2010
5:22 am

Teague is playing as if his ankle is still bothering him.

My guess is that due to this is speed and vertical are diminished and he lost his confidence.

Anyhow, I don’t think he compromised. On the contrary, he was on the floor when we made a run in the first half.

Marvin had a bad game after two reasonable ones. Get off his back. In his first two games he played good D and contributed.

Yesterday he didn’t. We got the win, period.

In relation to defending Wall, we actually did a good job (including Bibby who played smart D) for most of the game with the exception of a stretch during the third quarter in which we played zone D with Marvin at the top.

In the 4th, leaving Wall to shoot from 3 was theoretically the best option.

Another factor which HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION:

Wall benefited from 3 consecutive STAR CALLS in the third which would have been 3 consecutive turnovers instead of 3 trips to the FT line.

We are talking about the same team of refs that called a PALMING OFFENSE on JJ in the waning minutes, CLEARLY LOOKING FOR JJ COMPLAINING SO THEY COULD CALL A TECHNICAL FOUL.

How many times have you seen the refs calling a palming offense to Wade, Lebron, Durant, Rose, … during the last couple of minutes of a tight match? And at a HOME GAME?

Jamillion

October 31st, 2010
5:43 am

Well first off good win tonight. Second to everyone who says wait til the hawks play a good team. Boston we swept them and three of the games by double digits.La blow them out here. And squandered the lead there. Portland swept them. Same for utah.Suppose to swept dallas also. And cleveland we went 1 n 3 against only because of the queen james rule and remember the game they stopped the shot clock. We struggle with orl cause we play to their strengths( let their shooters bury us by doubling dw) and had no coaching or scheme then.

hawks_4_life

October 31st, 2010
5:51 am

I know im wrong but I think its too ironic our home game comes on the second half of a back to back while the wizards (Wall) comes in with a days rest. Maybe the NBA is trying to get the Wizards over the hump. Either way good win especially on a back to back, we have to factor that when judging last nights game.

Jamillion

October 31st, 2010
6:14 am

Men lie women lie numbers don’t. We were 5-1 against the two teams in the finals last year. But all we can look at is how bad woody and our o looked against the team that didn’t make it. Hell since we talking about elite we were 8-4 against the teams that were in the quarter finals last year. The problem with you guys you watch too many commercials.If the hawks had a superstar we’ll get that media luv, that sc highlight luv. Hell use your brain, look at the game.We won 53 games last year with no coach, no adjustments, no scheme, just talent. Ps this ain’t the 80s the allstar 7ft is dead would u really want kaman or candyman over al. Those teams a do that trade asap bet u can get tyrus or hawe too. We don’t have a super star but we have 4 allstars.I’ll take that any day and most gms would to. Plus where all there true all star centers at i see a bunch of tall guys al (baby td) is out scoring n rebounding. So your true centers ain’t jack. Yea there a a few i’ll take before al but as i see it al is gonna be goo

Geemack

October 31st, 2010
6:21 am

Jedi Falcon

Joe Johnson – Most Overrated & Overpaid Player in the NBA.

No…That would be Chris Bosh.

Jamillion

October 31st, 2010
6:35 am

And for all you guys talking about milwaukee aren’t they defeated? Like o and four.I told you i ain’t scared of corey maggette and they have been getting blown out. And chicago just barely got their first win.All i know is we were we pose to be. Don’t let these crystal ball columnists trick you opinions are like azzholes. Everybody got one. Told me dallas was going to the super bowl for the last ten years, and i been beating against them for the last ten years. Told me lebron n kobe for the last three years and i been beating against lebron for the last three years. Once we cut down on turn overs and find some production from the 3 and point we can really take off. Man give denver marvin and three ones for melo, and call it a day. Hell they gone all be scrub picks anyway. Now that a be a dynasty. Go hawks

Najeh Davenpoop

October 31st, 2010
6:54 am

“No…That would be Chris Bosh.”

In fairness to Bosh, although without a doubt he is most overrated, Rashard Lewis is by far the most overpaid.

Najeh Davenpoop

October 31st, 2010
6:57 am

“Wait til the Hawks play Boston or Orlando or Miami or the Lakers or a GOOD team. Then that will shut fans of this crap team up.”

Wait till the Falcons play the Jets or the Ravens or the Giants (or the Eagles or the Steelers) or a GOOD team…

See how that works?

Rev in Tampa

October 31st, 2010
7:18 am

Najeh, I’ll wait til the Falcons play a good team, but I am going to enjoy it today. Even the little old ladies in church hate on me when the Falcons play the Bucs. Although all these Gator fans are going to be razzing me before church, after church, and several of them will even be wearing Gator ties.

nes

October 31st, 2010
7:34 am

I am glad the hawks have started off winning! nothing replaces winning and hopefully the team is buying into the motion offense completely. Of note: Marvin should have been traded before the season when he still had value! Now other teams see Marvin isn’t a top player in any offense and his trade value has now plummeted to where hawks can’t get a good sixth player for him! Pape Sy never will be healed, he only played a handfull of games over there and to come over to the USA and the NBA is a hugh difference. He doesn’t have the endurance or experience to play a full NBA schedule, thus why waste the 2nd round pick on him when could have signed him as a free agent! Should have drafted Center Whiteside and developed a bone-fide center. About Teague, he will be a back-up this year with real playing time minutes under L.D., last year was a wash out. Teague will develop but is going to need another year of experience and playing time to develop, i agree with the above blogs that one true year in college as a PG wasn’t enough for the NBA. My summary is this: JJ still iso-joe in closing minutes again and is the most over-paid to be just a good player i have ever watched play. The hawks still should have signed one of the true centers via free agency this year and didn’t, it will bite them against the stronger teams and also if they make the playoffs-disaster waiting to happen again in the center dominate playoffs!

Jamillion

October 31st, 2010
7:56 am

Naj that was tbs very funny. Oh tell jedi mind trick, he can get eddie curry for a happy meal and kwame brown for a double stack. Bet the people in new york loving their true center. Hold up he the same height as al. Look good players are good players and the hawks have good players, just not that sexy glamorized star who makes your team a contender cause he gonna get the calls.Jedi i wanna see matt ryan air it out lyke a real qb.Oh my bad he doesn’t have any arm strength,now that dudes overrated.

Jamillion

October 31st, 2010
8:17 am

And to nes and all the people with low player rating iq. I would lyke to be informed on, WHO DA HELL IS THIS MYSTERIOUS TRUE CENTER, WE DIDN’T SIGN. I WANNA KNOW HIS NAME, PLEASE TELL ME SO I WILL NOT FEEL IGNORANT ANY LONGER. Who is he? Where he come from cause to my recollection there is only one one bonafide center and he in orlando, no one else is close and he even has flaws. And the second best center stays hurt far too much in houston they already look like a lottery team again. So who kwame brown ,dampier, miller, oh shaq yeah he played wit phoenix and they got sweep out the play offs as a 8th dumped him and went back to a 3 seed, he sure came up big against dh in the play offs cough cough. Stop the hate congratulate it a kill ya.

Ramon

October 31st, 2010
9:09 am

Sorry but Arenas is the most overpaid, lol. And Lopez is the most overrated.

nunna!!

October 31st, 2010
9:38 am

last year in a game like last night against the wiz,we would have found a way to lose..
period..
with LD and the coaching staff giving the bench more pt and being able to rest our bigs and playing 10-11 players on any given night,I LOVE IT!!

WE WILL HAVE NO TIRED LEGS(WITHOUT ANY MAJOR INJURIES THIS SEASON)COME PLAYOFF TIME..

AND JOE WON’T BE TIRED AND BEAT UP COME ALL STAR BREAK!!

I believe in you LD,and i unlike others didn’t think it was a mistake to hire u and felt as though the ASG was going on the cheap when they hired you..

I liked what u were saying when questioned about the direction,scheme and personal play u expect from this team..But,with each game(even tho its 3) we seem to get better..

I like what i see..
Im glad we hired you and i think in the end,everyone will see that you are the right person to lead this team..

God Bless and Good Luck,
Nunna!!

ILL-Logical

October 31st, 2010
9:46 am

Was at the game last night and observed :
1. Joe is playing above the rim fro the first time in his Hawk career.
2. The Hawks front line will compete successfuly against 85% of the NBA because of the lack of strong ,long athletic players. However, the other 15%,Boston.Orlando, LA and possibly Memphis at full strength, will continue to cause problems.
3.Defensively, Bibby and Jamal are not good-I know I get the sherlock Holmes award for that observation- but at some point that issue-a stronger defensive guard -has to be addressed. Perhaps that is Coach Drew’s hope for Pape?
4.All in all, a good win on a less than spectaclar opening night. Oh, and the former cheeseburger now tofu Collins played well in limited minutes.

steve brown

October 31st, 2010
10:18 am

The missing Crawford for Teague-what have we got to lose-Crawford earned it in the pre-season-Teague is being given it on a wing and a prayer (can’t shoot-can’t finish).

J from the A

October 31st, 2010
10:27 am

@Ill-Logical: I like the new nickname for Collins. Out with ‘Cheeseburger’ and in with Tofu Collins! Maybe it will stick.

#J.J.lovesthefans Said J.J.: “It was great to see everybody come out and show their support. We appreciate that.” I don’t think J.J. has ever said otherwise.
Oh, that. That was simply a statement about how J.J. and the Hawks have to get their stuff together independent of any fan support.

truthspitter

October 31st, 2010
10:27 am

Can we please trade Marvin Williams for Captain Jack.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25xt6bg

truthspitter

October 31st, 2010
10:28 am

Or, Can we please trade Marvin Williams for Gerald Wallace
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yadqlpm

truthspitter

October 31st, 2010
10:28 am

Or, Can we please trade Marvin Williams, Mike Bibby, and Zaza for Iggy, Hawes, and Lou Williams
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=27xbw3e

Of course I would be willing to trade a 1st round pick or maybe 2 first round picks for the right deal

Can we please?

JustAThought

October 31st, 2010
10:35 am

To all you hawk fans………..congradulations! Too bad they don’t play for nba championships in October!

doc

October 31st, 2010
10:51 am

hmm, even better is the totals from the combination pf and c position 31 rebounds and 40 points. pretty significant numbers from those two positions over 48 minutes. they had similar numbers against the sixers. want to see this continue against some of the bigger well balanced teams of course, just the same they have done well as a collective in the first three games.

Ree Roe

October 31st, 2010
11:02 am

@ truthspitter, those 3 trade suggestions are terrible. Bobcats wouldn’t trade Wallace for Marvin & Captain Jack needs the ball to much to be effective. I’m all for improving the team, but if we trade Marvin it needs to be for a bonafide defensive stopper/3 pt specialist

-REEview it Roe!!!