Atlanta Hawks: Magic 102, Hawks 73

Magic's D suffocated J.J. and company. (Curtis Compton / AJC)

Magic's D suffocated J.J. and company. (Curtis Compton / AJC)

– The Magic have the kind of program the Hawks are trying to build. Yes, they have a top five player and the Hawks don’t. Orlando is deeper than Atlanta. But the Magic might be underachievers, too, if Stan Van Gundy hadn’t molded them into a team where every guy is expected to bust their tail defensively all the time.

– “They are one of the best teams in the league because they can defend,” Marvin said. “They can flat-out guard. A lot of people say it’s because of their offense but it’s because they guard. They have a lot of energy on the defensive end, and that’s why they’re one of the top two or three teams.”

– It’s just a preseason game but beforehand L.D. talked about a “new attitude” for the Hawks against Orlando. There was no sign of that. “I don’t seem them fearing us at all,” Josh said. “That means we have to go back to the lab.”

– The Hawks had pretty good defensive energy for a couple quarters but couldn’t score. Then they couldn’t do either in the third quarter as the Magic put them away with 35 points.

– Not sure if this is irony but it was weird to see: Some of Atlanta’s best shooters passed on open shots and instead kept passing the ball around until someone was forced to shoot late in the clock. Marvin was a major offender. From Iso-Joe to meaningless motion?

– “Very, very surprised,” L.D. said. “We have got some guys that can make shots and under no circumstances do I want guys hesitating on their shots.”

– J.J. was having a very good preseason and suddenly he’s clanking open shots off the front of the rim. Al had played smart offense but now he was forcing it while also picking up bad fouls. Jamal missed several runners in the lane.

– You see stuff like that and start to wonder if the Hawks have a mental block when it comes to Orlando. Then you see that third quarter and you are reminded the Magic are just a lot better than the Hawks one through 10.

– You could hear some echoes of May 2009 in much of what L.D. said after. On the third quarter: “We collapsed defensively.” On the lack of offense: “We missed a lot of shots but we had some good looks.” On the team’s psyche: “We got upset when shots weren’t going down and then we started forcing things. I said, ‘Look, guys, it’s a long season. The true test for us is how we weather those type storms.’”

– At least it’s still the preseason and not the East semifinals. “That team is on a mission and we’ve got to get like that,” L.D. said. “They are certainly a measuring stick. They are playing at a high level, they are playing with a lot of intensity. They getting the job done now. They are now waiting until the start of the regular season. That’s where we have to get to.”

– Al, Zaza, Twin and Etan all took their turns on Dwight. Even Smoove checked on a couple possessions. Howard got his but the Hawks weren’t helped by quick whistles on some touch fouls against him.

– Twin showed a little something against Dwight and Gortat. He’s moving better now and Dwight doesn’t like it when big bodies stay in front of him. You know he’s bothered when he starts griping to the refs each time he doesn’t score.

– Atlanta trailed just 44-34 at the half despite missing 29 of 41 shots. “I told them at halftime if you continue the consistency defensively and make some shots, you will be right there,” L.D. said.

– But the Hawks missed 14 of 21 shots in the third while Orlando was 11 of 18. The Magic closed the period with a 25-10 run, and Howard was on the bench for all but five of those points. The Magic had Atlanta scrambling with crisp passes until they got open shots.

– The thing about the Magic is even if you guard them well for most of a possession they can still score. Jameer Nelson, Rashard Lewis and J.J. Redick all made some tough shots late in the clock. The problem for the Hawks is their spirits sag when that happens, they miss bad shots and suddenly the Magic are off on a run.

– Orlando has won 20 straight preseason games, which might not mean much if they didn’t have a Finals and East finals to their credit in the last two years. “What’s been getting us through right now is our intensity and our defense,” Van Gundy said. “I think we’re defending hard, and we’re defending the ball. Our guys are really getting after it and that’s why we’re playing well right now.”

Teague sat out again and is shooting to return Thursday against the Heat. Pape Sy still doesn’t know when he will be cleared to practice.

– I’m out, Hawks fans.

MC

168 comments Add your comment

Hmmm

October 18th, 2010
11:10 pm

Hmmm

October 18th, 2010
11:11 pm

Do I get a free Hawks Bobblehead or sumthin’, MC? ;-)

I Heart Atlanta

October 18th, 2010
11:22 pm

I hope we do better on NATIONAL TV thursday
Go Hawks

Jae Evolution

October 18th, 2010
11:23 pm

The Hawks will continue to be a sub-par team, for the simple fact that they don’t defend for 48 MINUTES. Their defense come in spurts, and until they buy in on the ‘total-effort’ they will not become elite.

Sara

October 18th, 2010
11:34 pm

This happens every time the Hawks play Orlando. I just don’t get it at all. Why can’t we play DEFENSE against the Magic?

Biff Pocoroba

October 18th, 2010
11:35 pm

I bet Mike Woodson is glad that he doesn’t have to try and coach these guys again this year. This is going to be like a Paul Hewitt team with a lot of talent but no leadership or any kind of offense.

welikebaseball2

October 18th, 2010
11:50 pm

Actually Al is the best low post defender on the team. Idiotic management has just refused to add a legit center, so he’s forced to play out of position. Not his fault…and there’s no way we’re a better team without him. Are we a better team with him at power forward & a bigger body at center? Absolutely.

Im done with the Hawks

October 19th, 2010
12:16 am

Enter your comments here

northcyde

October 19th, 2010
12:20 am

The only good thing about losses like these, is that maybe only 2 or 3 teams in the league can be as efficient as Orlando is on both offense and defense. They were a top 3 offensive AND defensive team last year. Every team can’t do to us what the Magic do to us. But we’re not beating the top teams in a series, unless our “core” guys dramatically improve ( talking about JJ, Josh, and Horford ).

Still . . . it’s like the movie Groundhog Day when you watch the Hawks vs Magic. That game was almost a mirror image of how the games in the playoffs went. Couldn’t make open shots . . can’t berathe on Dwight . . can’t guard their shooters . . Orlando makes a good share of open shots . . Dwight goes at anybody pretty much at will.

Ownership had a golden chance to upgrade the personnel, but they chose to go with the status quo + promoting Drew and bringing in scrubs.

This team so desperately needs an inside presence who can either score down on the low block, or draw fouls to get to the FT line. Then they desperately need a great perimeter defender, preferably a guy who can defend the point.

Big Ray

October 19th, 2010
12:23 am

Not sure if this is irony but it was weird to see: Some of Atlanta’s best shooters passed on open shots and instead kept passing the ball around until someone was forced to shoot late in the clock. Marvin was a major offender. From Iso-Joe to meaningless motion?

Ok, so Marvin is still the Marvin we came to know. Or, is this the mental issue we have with Orlando?

– “They are one of the best teams in the league because they can defend,” Marvin said. “They can flat-out guard. A lot of people say it’s because of their offense but it’s because they guard. They have a lot of energy on the defensive end, and that’s why they’re one of the top two or three teams.”

WTF…who was the defensive dynamo guarding Marvin’s 6′9″ 245 lb butt? 6′5″ Quentin Richardson? Rashard Lewis? Ryan Anderson? Who? Stuff like this makes me want to scoff at every “he’ll be better under Larry Drew” comment. But I’ll wait. This entire team struggles against Orlando, so I’ll wait. For the next game.

Twin showed a little something against Dwight and Gortat. He’s moving better now and Dwight doesn’t like it when big bodies stay in front of him. You know he’s bothered when he starts griping to the refs each time he doesn’t score.

Translation: Zaza, your minutes are going down. Especially against teams with bigger centers.

Big Ray

October 19th, 2010
12:26 am

I bet Mike Woodson is glad that he doesn’t have to try and coach these guys again this year. This is going to be like a Paul Hewitt team with a lot of talent but no leadership or any kind of offense.

Considering Paul Hewitt is a college coach and therefore recruits who plays for him, this analogy doesn’t make much sense to me…

Big Ray

October 19th, 2010
12:27 am

Ownership had a golden chance to upgrade the personnel, but they chose to go with the status quo + promoting Drew and bringing in scrubs.

Sums it up, right there.

northcyde

October 19th, 2010
12:29 am

I guess we all better be careful of drinking the Kool-Aid. It may have been made in Guyana by Jim Jones ( the fake evangelical mass murderer, not the lame rapper ).

Google “Jim Jones Guyana” . . if you have no idea what I’m talking about.

mykhalc

October 19th, 2010
12:52 am

Ken Strickland

October 19th, 2010
1:24 am

Yet another beat down by the Magic, but hey, there’s a silver lining. The Bulls, who many say have improved enough to surpass the Hawks, got a far, far worse beat down by the Magic than we got. I really liked what I saw of JPowell, and Twin didn’t do too bad himself. The Magic really exposed the extremely poor DEF efforts of Bibby and Jamal.

But, at least Jamal will give you scoring, which at least helps neutralize the opposing player he’s suppose to be defending. It looks like all of the crying and whinning DHoward did last yr during and after the 1st rd series against the Bobcats has paid off. Even though it was only a preseason gm, the refs didn’t allow the Hawks to touch him, and he was the only one to receive that type of special treatment.

Another good that seems to be manifesting itself, as a result of our new OFF approach, is the increased number of fouls we’ve been drawing and free throws we’ve been receiving, especially JJ. All we have to do now is to start making our FT’s.

Clyde Jr.

October 19th, 2010
2:02 am

What does awaiting moderation mean?

Clyde

October 19th, 2010
2:04 am

SHAKING MY GOT DAM HEAD

THE ATLANTA SPIRIT TOLD THE AJC TO TAKE MY POSTS DOWN. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FAN BLOG.

Najeh Davenpoop

October 19th, 2010
3:09 am

“I guess we all better be careful of drinking the Kool-Aid. It may have been made in Guyana by Jim Jones ( the fake evangelical mass murderer, not the lame rapper ).”

So I guess what you’re trying to say is that the Hawks are not BALLINNNNNNNN?

doc

October 19th, 2010
3:12 am

clyde how do you know or are you being paranoid?

TheAntiMe

October 19th, 2010
3:47 am

The Hawks have used their loss to Orlando in the Eastern Conference semifinals last May as motivation for this season.

If this is how the Hawks play when they are motivated then it’s going to be a very long season.

Big Daddy

October 19th, 2010
5:08 am

This was painful to watch on so many different levels. I have been watching several pre-season games on NBA-TV and even though it is pre-season, there have been crowds in the stands cheering for their home town team. Phillips Arena looked like this was a practice session. There were hardly any fans in the seats when it started and it did not get much better the rest of the game.

The Hawks looked like they were sleep walking the first few possessions and these were the starters. I understand they are getting use to a new system, but these are professionals and you can’t use they are a young team anymore. They are seasoned veterans and they should be able to play together better than they exhibited in last night’s game.

Jordan Crawford has shown that he can score but what is it with him and having the ball in his hands at the end of a quarter/half and acting like he is Michael Jordan. Instead of pushing the ball up toward the end of the first half he walked the ball up with the clock going down instead of passing it upcourt and took a shot just inside the mid-court line. Larry Drew was waiting for him when he came to the bench and he did not look happy.

Even if this is pre-season you want to see the team put forth the effort and the coach make adjustments that help the flow of the game. This was another reminder of how far we have to go. I hope the guys are not looking at this as just a don’t count pre-season game but a chance to hone our offense and defense because Orlando sure didn’t.

Big Ray

October 19th, 2010
5:55 am

But, at least Jamal will give you scoring, which at least helps neutralize the opposing player he’s suppose to be defending.

Ken ,

Did you see the box score last night? This happens more often than you might want to admit to…

Jeff Gibson

October 19th, 2010
6:39 am

Seven foot 2 inch Loren Woods was waived By Cleveland Caveliers on October 15th.
Also The Hawks had some very good rebounding players on Summer team James Augustine, Jamereo Davison Alade Aminu, Trey Gilder , Richard Hendricks as well as Randolph Morris.
The preseason gets you a little worried if you are a Hawks fan.

JustAThought

October 19th, 2010
6:43 am

Big Daddy, you didn”t expect a sell-out crowd did you? I’m loving it! Hey ASG, don’t worry about hiring movers, just make the anouncement and you’ll have plently of help.

JustAThought

October 19th, 2010
6:45 am

Or better yet! Just take your SH!T and LEAVE!

El Bravo

October 19th, 2010
6:52 am

I’m saving judgement for the regular season but, boy, they sure look awful in the pre-season. All the top teams are gearing up for the season playing at a high level (see Miami, Orlando, LA, et all) yet here we are having the same issues as last year. The most troubling aspect is our inability to maintain the defensive intensity for four quarters. I understand the problems adapting to a new offensive philosophy but defense is all about hustle. With the improved Heat, Bulls, Knicks and even Wizards (with Wall) this has the makings of a very long season…

Samuel

October 19th, 2010
7:07 am

Ken,
Is that the best you could come up with. That wasn’t even half full. You’re better than that.I would have thought you would have said that if we had Teague we would have beat them or that we were “tanking” to fool them. Come on Ken. That koolaid taste like my friends mama use to make it before they got they check. No sugar at all. Weak as hel_.

Freshfromatl

October 19th, 2010
7:31 am

Welp!!! If the Hawks don’t care then neither will I. I can find a lot of other things to spend my money on.

2 FOR JOHN DREW

October 19th, 2010
7:36 am

Phillips Arena- *** crickects, crickets *** ………. SMH !!!!!!!!

O'Brien

October 19th, 2010
7:51 am

northcyde,

Although we got beat down by the Magic (again), look on the bright side. We didn’t disrupt our Chemistry (or overpay) by bringing in Shaq (SMH at the ASG).

The interesting thing is we know Shaq would have been fired up to play Orlando, and Dwight would not get as many calls against him.

Also, we see how a guy like Matt Barnes would have been helpful. He brings energy on the defensive end, you know he would be fired up to play his former team, and on nights when Marvin goes 1-10, he would have been a great substitute.

But, these are the cards the ASG has dealt Drew, so he has to make the most of it.

Two good things from this beatdown is 1) It’s pre-season and 2) it allows Drew to reinforce how far we have to go as a team, and the things we need to work on before we can be considered ECF contenders.

tremaine

October 19th, 2010
7:54 am

I know its just preseason but doesn’t this team look worse than last year?

Myrak43

October 19th, 2010
7:55 am

It has been 7 years and we still don’t have a Center or a point guard. I would trade this whole team for a starting Center and a point gaurd…… I don’t know if I can take another year of this.

Section 303

October 19th, 2010
8:00 am

Big Daddy, about the crowds, “I could careless if you showed up.”

dukester

October 19th, 2010
8:11 am

Ok I have said once or 1000 times not sure. But Defense starts inside out. Look at all of the sports that has a goal and a net. Hockey, Soccer: They have a goalie sitting right on top of the net and his only job is to play defense. Even on football the better defenses have a big 6′5″ 350 lbs nose tackle in the middle of the defense. The reason Orlando can play great defense is because on the perimeter they can play close on the ball because they know if you beat them off the dribble that they have a great shot blocker to back them up at the basket. Remember we had Dikembe Motumbo he extended our defense out. Him and Mookie Blaylock were great as a duo on defense. Mookie and his steals kept guards from even thinking about driving to the basket. So for the 1000th time go find a center. Mmm lets see Tyson Chandler was traded for bag of basketballs, Couple of years ago Marcus Camby was traded for shoe laces. Whiteside was available in the draft(Yes he is a rookie but he has shown to be active around the basket). I mean several times ASG had the chance to cure this disease but they didnt. They chose to resign Bibby, Marvin and Zaza. (15+ million pissed away on 3 bench players).

tremaine

October 19th, 2010
8:11 am

If you go see a movie and it sucked, would you waste your money and go back and see the same movie again? Theses are the same hawks from last year. Why would you expect things to get better against Orlando with a rookie coach? ASG proved during the offseason that they don’t care about contending. They just want to be good enough to sell tickets.

jason

October 19th, 2010
8:13 am

Fire LD. Our flaw last year wasnt offense, it was defense. Yet LD wants to change thaty. 79 points? are u kidding me? last year we averaged about 103 ppg. burt now LD has ruined it. The good side is that we are getting the number 1 pick in the draft.

O'Brien

October 19th, 2010
8:19 am

I have not seen any of the pre-season games, but looking at some of the shooting numbers is disturbing. FT numbers:

Game 1: 27-44 (61%), Game 2: 18-26 (69%),
Game 3: 6-15 (40%), Game 4: 23-34 (68%),
Game 5: 22-29 (76%),

Thats a 63% average on free throws for the pre-season. Its one thing to struggle learning a new offense, its one thing that guys are playing banged up, but no excuse for being that bad at FTs.

Section 303

October 19th, 2010
8:30 am

O’Brien, Free throws are all preperation and concentration. I question if the Hawks have players that even care about FT’s. They have struggled for years. Last night was awful. But, so was every other part of the game, so….why should FT’s be any different?

This team is poised for huge fall this year, guys. Brace yourself!

Section 303

October 19th, 2010
8:32 am

2 for John Drew, “I could careless if you showed up.”

Really, no one can rip the fans for not turning out anymore. The alleged leader, making all the jack, told the fans he doesn’t care if they come or not. Fine. Then, when they don’t come, don’t complain.

Melvin

October 19th, 2010
8:43 am

Double Zero Eight

October 19th, 2010
8:45 am

The Hawks should have gotten a proven veteran coach. The players do not respect or believe in Larry Drew. They are just going through the motions. We should have made a sincere effort to get “Shaq”. It is going to be “more of the same” from the Hawks this year. We will hear excuse after excuse as to why they will not improve this year, (new system, injuries, etc). If we were not going to upgrade the coach, we would have been better off keeping Mike Woodson. This coaching change
will be another failed experiment by Hawks management.

Fundamentals

October 19th, 2010
8:48 am

We need a solid product to expect fans to show. No effort, no chance of moving forward, no attitude, Yeah, I want to watch that.

Sadly I will, but will the average fan – NO!.

i_am_soulstar

October 19th, 2010
8:55 am

Yes, noticed a lot of open shooter pass up shots. Hawks have to find a happy medium between isolation play and motion offense. It’ll take time. They did play some excellent defense in the 1st half. All downhill from there though.

Every fan, player, and GM knows that this team needs a trade.

yodaddy

October 19th, 2010
8:56 am

I hope they don’t match up with Orlando in the playoffs….

I pray some team knocks the Magic off

Buddy Grizzard

October 19th, 2010
8:58 am

The 50-point demolition by Orlando in the preseason last year set the tone for the whole season. The Hawks are talented enough to be a second-tier team but nowhere near talented enough to be contenders. Remember, if Andrew Bogut didn’t get injured last year the Hawks wouldn’t have made it out of the first round to get embarrassed by Orlando. The Hawks are similar in talent level to Milwaukee, nor Orlando.

Buddy Grizzard
President & Founder, The Rick Sund Glue Factory Committee
$7m a season for Bibby? $120m for a non-superstar?
Thanks for crippling our franchise for the next 6 years Rick!

BBgenie

October 19th, 2010
8:58 am

No excuses for this ASS Kicking! These are the same Magic players who came to your Town, your Home court, and Ripped Your F_____g Hearts Out. And this is your PayBack! WOW! If the Hawks think they can Push a Button and begin the play like an Elite team. It’s going to be a Long Ass Season. Defense Wins games!!!!!!! Period. I guess they can’t Blame Woody Now????? I Don’t think the New Offense will work with this Bunch!!!! Let’s see how we bounce back on Thursday night vs Heat.

Pissed Hawks Fan

October 19th, 2010
9:05 am

WTF HAWKS.. I’m tired of you telling what your going to do or what you’re working on, SHOW ME!!!!

J. Smith. “I don’t seem them fearing us at all …That means we have to go back to the lab.”?? Are you serious?? They don’t fear you because in 5 years you haven’t shown you can match them and they are better than you are (PERIOD!). They are better than you because they actually work and improve, and not just keep working on the same stuff over and over, and still can’t get it right.

I hope we suck this year so they can break up this bad core group!!

JeJe

October 19th, 2010
9:08 am

truthspitter

October 19th, 2010
9:16 am

tremaine

October 19th, 2010
8:11 am

If you go see a movie and it sucked, would you waste your money and go back and see the same movie again? Theses are the same hawks from last year. Why would you expect things to get better against Orlando with a rookie coach? ASG proved during the offseason that they don’t care about contending. They just want to be good enough to sell tickets.

Co-sign

Whom ever this Tremaine character is has just giving a great post and analogy. Most of all it was the truth, thanks Tremaine and you are welcome around here anytime. Finally, the Hawks suck GoatBalls.

truthspitter

October 19th, 2010
9:26 am

Hopefully we get a center out of the lottery this year because that is where we are headed