Atlanta Hawks: More of the same

Practice today for the Hawks basically consisted of a video session and free throws.

“One of those days where I decided it would be more productive to just watch some tape instead of putting some wear and tear on them, especially with a game tomorrow,” L.D. said.

Everyone seemed subdued and tired, including L.D. He wasn’t enthusiastic about Atlanta’s performance in the 84-74 victory against New Orleans Saturday at Johnson City, Tenn.

“It was all right,” he said. “We’ve still got a ways to go as far as work and get to where we are trying to get to.”

His list of complaints is familiar: defense, rebounding, turnovers. And this time the Hawks couldn’t use the absence of their regulars to explain it. The starters plus Jamal all played at least 25 minutes while the Hornets went deep into their bench.

Now the Magic come to town after they crushed the Bulls Saturday. Orlando also beat down New Orleans last week.

“Watching then play in the preseason, they are looking like a team that is on a mission,” L.D. said. “So we are going to have to step our energy and step up our intensity and planning.”

Injury report

Mo made his preseason debut and played seven minutes. Word is he looked pretty good in that short stint.

Jamal said he was pleased with his play in his first competitive game since last spring. “I was trying to find my rhythm in the first half but then I was fine in the second,” he said. “The back feels good.”

Josh Powell still is nursing a sore groin but had eight points, six rebounds and two blocks in 22 minutes against the Hornets.

Jason Collins ended up not playing. L.D. said he decided to give him another day’s rest.

Teague is scheduled to return Thursday against Miami but said he would lobby trainer Wally Blase to let him play tomorrow.

MC

77 comments Add your comment

lewis

October 17th, 2010
5:28 pm

lewis

October 17th, 2010
5:32 pm

hopefully tommorow isn’t embarassing for the hawks as it was today for the falcons

UGA

October 17th, 2010
5:33 pm

I know it’s preseason, but I’m not impressed and thought we did better last year so far…….

It really does seem like we need Teague back as that other PG.

Section 303

October 17th, 2010
5:45 pm

I’m still not that concerned about anything. Preseason is preseason. Let’s just get these games that don’t count over with.

That be said, I am expecting to see the Hawks get blown out tomorrow night.

drmaryb (*_*)

October 17th, 2010
5:49 pm

Soulja Boys!

They sound exhausted. I guess the Milly’s don’t like working
on Football Sunday.

Sara

October 17th, 2010
5:59 pm

I know it’s preseason,but I hope the Hawks compete against the Magic tomorrow.

drmaryb (*_*)

October 17th, 2010
6:13 pm

Make A Statement!

Aye Hawks … Looking down a double barrell again?

You guys should be so P.O’d about the last series, that
You come out swinging with Zsa Zsa’s boxing gloves and
strangle the Magic with his jump rope!

Make a Statement and show some fire, heart and pride!
And, while you’re at it? Play some Defense!

All I want to see is stellar defense tomorrow and we should
win!

Woody

October 17th, 2010
6:26 pm

I expect the Hawks to take a step back while learning the new system. All that matters is the playoffs so I expect everyone to cut them some slack till they get up to speed with the new regime.

BrittishAnger

October 17th, 2010
6:29 pm

Meh, at least we finally won one during the preseason….Teague will end up starting PG by Christmas, maybe Hannukah if he eats his Matzah meal…..

dstdeelite

October 17th, 2010
7:05 pm

I dread tomorrow’s game against Orlando. We’ve routinely been their punching bag.

i_am_soulstar

October 17th, 2010
7:34 pm

If Teague needs more time, then give it to him. Still the preseason young homie. Glad he’s hungry to get out there though.

truthspitter

October 17th, 2010
7:38 pm

This team is garbage right now. There is no way around it. This stupid new system offensively and defensively is making the Hawks look like they are Cleveland and lost Lebron. If you think about it truthfully it is that bad because they are basically trying to start over and forget everything they did last year on the way to winning 53 games other than what they can’t forget, and that’s the fact that they have basically the same team and coach. Drew was a coach and a voice of the Hawks last year, just not the lead guy. The way the Hawks went about this is just stupid. I am now softening my stance on not trading Smoove or Al and would be open to trade either one of those guys since it is quite obvious that the Hawks as currently constructed have peaked.

northcyde

October 17th, 2010
7:55 pm

The reason why Orlando kills people, is because Van Gundy treats the preseason seriously, as far as how he coaches the game. He mainly plays his regular 9 to 10 man rotation. If the game is a blowout, then and only then will the fringe bench players get playing time.

Right now, the real big questionmarks personnel wise with the team are:

- Mike Bibby . . . forget being a starter, should he even be in the rotation. It would be one thing if he were decent offensively ( either from a scoring or playmaking standpoint ). But if he’s struggling to even contribute in those ways, will Drew sit him, or continue to play him?

- Zaza . . . somebody in the last blog said Zaza is playing well. How are you playing well when you’re shooting 32% FG as a center, and not providing toughness on the inside? If Zaza doesn’t want to play even less than he did last year, he has to start playing at a much higher level. We need our centers to play as well as they can, to enable Horford to get more time at PF.

- Injuries . . . we were lucky last year. With Drew’s emphasis on being better conditioned and more physical, the little nagging injuries were experiencing now, may be a theme for the upcoming season. When the season starts, the questions are going to become . . . who can play through minor injuries? . . . and can guys step their game up when others are out?

Tomorrow’s game may be more important to the Hawks players, than the TNT game against Miami ( who won’t have Wade ).

Drew is learning. It’s one thing to get your team ready for the season. But if the physical practices are taking its toll to the point where people can’t even play or practice, you have no choice but to dial it down.

Ken Strickland

October 17th, 2010
7:58 pm

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Dept. Of Unintended Irony

October 17th, 2010
8:02 pm

“I am now softening my stance on not trading Smoove or Al and would be open to trade either one of those guys since it is quite obvious that the Hawks as currently constructed have peaked.”

Yes, after THREE PRESEASON games, it’s certainly “quite obvious” that Truthspitter has peaked. His vitriol is losing it’s juice. Why he can hardly even keep perspective. And we ALL know that his perspective is superior to any on the blog. Because he tells us.

Over and over and over and……….

cannibloggin

October 17th, 2010
8:17 pm

Dept. Of Unintended Irony
BrittishAnger
Sara

fake blog team

O'Brien

October 17th, 2010
8:20 pm

I know Teague has only played one game, but is there anybody who thinks he should NOT be the starter on opening night based on what we have seen from Bibby so far.

game 1: 22 mins, 2 pts, 1-2 FG, 1 assist.
game 2: 29 mins, 3 pts, 1-4 FG, 3 assists
game 3: 25 mins, 6 pts, 2-7 FG, 3 assists
game 4: 25 mins, 5 pts, 2-6 FG, 1 assist

Not to mention his defense is lacking again. And to think, he is supposed to be holding off Teague…

The only way Bibby should start (imo), is if Teague is not healthy enough.

northcyde

October 17th, 2010
8:30 pm

LOL truthspitter . . . 60% of the teams in this league are in far worse shape than we are in. As long as we don’t have JJ, Smoove, and Al go down for weeks at a time, we’re easily a .500 team at the bare minimum.

As far as being elite though, I need to see much more out of Drew as a coach ( not as a talker, as an actual coach ), and much, much more out of this bench, to declare us being close to elite status.

One bright spot is Joe Johnson. Granted, we’ve played 3 sub par defensive teams, but JJ seems to be scoring with relative ease in this offense. Marvin as well.

I’ve said from Day 1 of Drew’s tenure that his new offense may not help everybody, but it definitely may help JJ. Hawks fans don’t even appreciate how hard that dude had to work to put up the numbers he did. If it becomes much more easier for him to get good looks without having to take on the entire team, he may get close to that next level as a player.

As a side note. . . Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn, is easily the best Star Trek movie of all time. LOL @ Ricardo Montabaln(sp) as one of the best movie villians of all time. Excellent movie.

northcyde

October 17th, 2010
9:17 pm

Calm down Cann . . . I’ve also been saying all along that the defense is the real problem for the Hawks, not the offense. If the offense makes it easier for players to score, that’s a positive thing.

But we’re not making any noise as a team, if we don’t play great defense. We have to be a top 10 defense at that. Possibly even a top 5 defense.

November is all about winning those road games vs sub .500 teams, and trying our best to also put up a good home record. But we need to be healthy and need to be somewhat clicking on offense and defense, to go into December with at least a 12 – 6 record.

Without improving defensively though, Orlando and Miami may literally run away from us by Christmas.

cannibloggin

October 17th, 2010
9:24 pm

So are you saying the hawks are a top 3 conference team, northcyde?

northcyde

October 17th, 2010
10:12 pm

Top 3? No.

Top 4 . . yes. But the gap between us and Milwaukee and Chicago has possibly narrowed. If any team overtakes us, it’ll be Milwaukee . . especially if Brandon Jennings becomes a more consistent scorer, Bogut duplicates what he did last year, and most important, if they can get some quality offense out of Michael Redd ( even if he doesn’t return to the offensive machine that he once was ).

As of right now, the Hawks are still good enough to win 28 – 32 home games and at least 16 road games. But we can do better.

I’m watching something on ESPN right now . . NBA Tonight Roundtable . . in which they’re basically previewing the season.

******

Question posed by Chris Broussard: Who is the biggest threat to beat the Heat in the East.

Ric Bucher: “The Celtics are the team to beat in the East”

Chris Ford: “agrees with Bucher, calling them the deepest Celtic team in years”

J.A. Andande: “The team no one is mentioning is Orlando”

Chris Broussard: “Orlando can’t beat Boston”

Bucher: “Chicago and Milwaukee are dangerous teams”

Broussard: “Chicago is “Utah West”.

Ford: “Playing with Noah will make a big difference in Boozer”

******
Absolutely NO MENTION of the Hawks of any of those guys. And I was typing this as they were discussing it. This just went off the air.

It’ll be on until 11 ( 10 central ). If the football game bores you, some of you may want to check this out.

northcyde

October 17th, 2010
10:19 pm

Over/Under segement

- Will the Heat break the NBA wins record ( 72 wins )? . . all of them said under

- Will the Knicks have a winning record? . . . 2 for under, 2 for over

- Will the Thunder win 57 games ( which was the total of the Lakers last year )? . . all of them said under

- Will the Cavs win more than 30 games? . . . all but one said over

northcyde

October 17th, 2010
10:44 pm

Chris Broussard makes a great point.

They’re discussing what player in the league would you take right now to start a franchise. All of them took Kevin Durant.

But Ric Bucher also mentions Derrick Rose as a guy that a team may select to start a team, because ( as Bucher said it ), “he took a team that had nothing, and got them to 2 playoff series”.

Then Broussard steps in. He first mentions how Rose has never one a playoff series ( which is true ). But he then goes on to drop this gem.

Who was the last NORMAL SIZED TRUE PG ( normal sized as in PGs who were 6-3 or shorter ), to lead a team to the NBA Championship?

Think about that question.

(( Jeapordy music ))

(( still thinking ))

(( got an answer? ))

Broussard’s answer . . . . Isaiah Thomas

Think about that. Guys like Nash, Paul, Deron, even going back to Allen Iverson and Gary Payton, never could win a ring while being the main guy.

Billups is maybe the closest one to having won a title, but it’s not like he was the “go to guy” on that Detroit tile team.

Broussard’s point that it has always been another guy at another position that was the main guy, while the star PG was the secondary guy. But a great “traditional sized PG” who is the main guy, hasn’t won it all since Isaiah.

northcyde

October 17th, 2010
11:01 pm

No mention of the Hawks at ALL in that program. No positive . . no negative . . not even a joke about us . . . no nothing. It’s like we don’t exist anymore, after that playoff series.

MsDee

October 17th, 2010
11:24 pm

Northcyde,

You know what, it is sad we dont get mentioned on sports shows such as those but that’s still OK with me cause 1st of all, I LOVE BEING UNDER THE RADAR! And 2nd of all, they dont look at our team as having HOF’s to even be worth mentioning. So that’s where JJ, Al Horford, & Josh Smith(THE CAPTAINS) should being having one of those “Lebron/Wade/Bosh”(THE SUPERFRIENDS) meetings to discuss THEIR ROLES/GOALS ON THE TEAM! JJ’s goal is to basically do what he has always done both offensively and defensively and that’s to try and average between 25-28pts this season with this new OFF and to continue his tough defense while limiting his TO’s to less than 2 a game. AL Hordford’s goals should be to average a double/double this season(doesnt have to be high doubles), while picking up his block attempts. Last but not least, Josh Smith’s goals should be 1st and far most, NO TECHNICAL FOULS PERIOD!! NO EXCUSES. Next, shoot high percentage shots(dunks/layups)1st B4 attempting jumpers within 15ft of the basket. Increase his assists totals to about 8 a game since he is an excellent passer and they should come easier with this new OFFensive. MUST SHOOT ATLEAST 80% FROM THE FT LINE. And last but not least, play heads up defense instead of the lazy way just to attempt a block.

I believe if these guys could discuss changes like this in their game to each other and to maybe make it challenging by betting each other that if they fail at a goal, the other has an advantage of some sort..

This could have their relationships strengthen while improving their chancing of being a future HOFer!

Najeh Davenpoop

October 18th, 2010
1:32 am

“No mention of the Hawks at ALL in that program. No positive . . no negative . . not even a joke about us . . . no nothing. It’s like we don’t exist anymore, after that playoff series.”

Can you really blame them? Every other Eastern Conference team that isn’t rebuilding either added a major free agent (Miami, Boston, New York, Chicago), is getting a key player back from injury (Milwaukee), or is already a title contender (Orlando). Sh-t, even Washington added an impact player in the draft who might have that team back in the playoffs. The Hawks added… the lowest-paid head coach in the league. Why should anyone pay attention to the Hawks? If I was a casual observer in the national media, I’d predict that this team is in for maybe another playoff appearance to be followed by another shameful blowout of a series. Why should they have any reason to think otherwise?

When the ownership themselves act like they are disinterested in the team, nobody else is going to pay attention. And that includes the casual fans the team relies on to sell out the arena.

vava74

October 18th, 2010
3:52 am

Najeh,

That media stance is easy to justify: they don’t know jacksh!t about basketball.

All they know is to make lists of players as if hype won games.

We won 53 games last year with a poor offensive scheme, which was easily stopped by zone defences, and with a gimmick D which was easily exploited by quick PGs.

I don’t how this team cannot at least be around the 50 win mark again.

Milwaukee has severely worsen on the PG position (Ridnour was waaaay more important for them than people realise and Jennings will continue tk struggle with his shot and have a slumping year IMO).

Maggette is a loser and how can they combine him with Redd and Salmons? Too many shots and too little D.

Skiles will have a flame out year with this roster.

Gooden is another loser who is perennially unhappy with his touches not realising that he is not as good as he thinks. He is also a far cry from what Kurt Thomas was for them last year.

Chicago? I have my doubts that they will be that good. Boozer is a self absorbing and lazy dude and now that he has Noah on his back he will coast on D even more and continue to be a cancer.

The Ayatollah

October 18th, 2010
5:01 am

Of course there was no mention of the Hawks. It would be like saying “It was sunny yesterday. It’s sunny today. It’s probably going to be sunny tomorrow.” Until it rains, there isn’t much new to say. Until the Hawks show themselves to be better and tougher, there isn’t much new to say.

And while many of us pick our favorite targets to blame this on, and some of us simply are in love with our negativity, the fact is that all things start at the top with all teams.

If a team owner(s) want to win, they’ll find the right combination of investing the necessary amount of money, with the proper guys to have in the front office. If a team owner(s) wants a puppet and a banker, they go find one. They aren’t hard to find. You can always find one of those, but you have to do your homework to find a guy who has the drive, savvy, desire, creativity, and solid basketball knowledge to put together a winning product that can contend for titles. Now which do you think this ownership group wanted? It always goes back to the top, people. It always does. For every GM that you want to name as an idiot, there is an owner who keeps that idiot employed. For every conservative yes man, there is someone above him who pays his salary, and desires what he is, and what he brings to the table. Owners are not owners because they are filthy rich and plain stupid. They are all merchants and businessmen who maintain status by knowing good managers when they see them, and employing such personnel. They all have management types under them: brokers, lawyers, book keepers, marketing types, you name it. They always know if one of these types is either beneficial to their business, or a detriment to it. They hire who they want, they keep who they want. If you think it’s all about the front office, look who is behind the front office to get a clue. If you don’t, then stay drunk on the phony koolaid if you like. Perhaps ignorance is truly bliss.

The Milwaukee bucks are much more uncomfortably closer to beating the Hawks out than some people think. They lost to the hawks last playoffs because of two things. For one, they did not have their starting center. For another, they did not have enough offensive weapons. Well they just added some more offensive firepower and got Redd back as well, and their starting center is back. There is no reason why a sensible and logical person would not think that this makes them a better team. If you lack sense and knowledge then of course you will think that they got worse instead of better. All the hawks did was trade out one nine minutes per game player for another, kept one that didn’t even get five minutes per game last year because he was too fat, signed a guy who may not even have what it takes to do anything in the league anymore, draft a guy at the deepest position on the team, sold a draft pick for no reason, and promoted the lead assistant coach.

No wonder William Knight walked away from this team as a GM. Rick Sund won’t because he likes being a puppet. It’s fun and it pays.

drmaryb (*_*)

October 18th, 2010
8:19 am

Indefensible!

Aye Hawks … Play some danged DEFENSE!
That would be a good start.

i_am_soulstar

October 18th, 2010
9:03 am

Analyze These! (Walnuts)

Jeff Teague is what the analysts don’t consider. And how could you when the guy barely played last season. But throw him at the starting spot, and we’re easily top 5 in the East.

And that’s not even with him playing great. That’s just with him playing average offense and average defense, which combined would be more than we got from Bibby last season.

If Teague plays above average, we will AT LEAST be competitive in the second round.

With Bibby captaining this ship, we’re going down as fast as terminal velocity will allow.

And no way Marvin has a a year as bad as the last. Call me easily moved, but he’s talking the same way Josh Smith was talking right before the season began last year.

“This is a huge season for me personally, huge. Every other guy on this team has had that season where it all comes together and they take that proverbial next step. I think my time is now.”

—F Marvin Williams, on his grand expectations for this season.

ken

October 18th, 2010
9:05 am

I’m sorry but mediocrity is written all over this team once again. They will finish 7 or 8th in the east and be out in 1st round. It just seems to be this way with all our pro teams in Atlanta. We just went through this with Braves and the Falcons yesterday showed us that they are not ready for prime time. I’m just tired of mediocrity in Atlanta pro sports.

doc

October 18th, 2010
9:07 am

ditto, co-sign etc. ayatollah, only those guys are not selling much kool aide anymore from the top if you listened closely over the length of the off season. that same guy you speak of running the show for the owners after the owners began to talk tough about spending money for the right people to make themselves better changed his tune for the owners and very candid when he said, “we hope to remain fourth”. that is not reassuring, certainly more in line with reality than the kool aide some fans still want to drink. they rolled up the competitive carpet when the heat made their move, too subtly for some to see, to some glaringly apparent to others.

if folks are happy with 50 wins and have no chance at winning as championships then drink on. me, i prefer reality. not saying 50 wins arent fun but there is a huge difference between 50 wins and being competitive to stay in the mix, long into the end of the season tournament. right now, at best, we could qualify for the second round and get swept. i dont see that as gaining on the other guys nor a situation to drive expectations or ticket sales in the off season certainly though atlanta will be criticized highly for not buying instead of seeing the hand writing on the wall.

i think we lost ground and that will be shown over the duration of a season where 50 wins will be hard earned if we get it at all. i dont think it is a given as so many suggest now, then decry other more unbiased individuals who disagree with them. why wouldnt we fall out of the discussion? everyone saw what good teams did to the hawks last year and then did nothing in the off season to change outcomes. that is the definition of crazy, to do nothing different but expect a different outcome in doing the same. they would lose any credibility to suggest otherwise or join the craziness.

Astro Joe

October 18th, 2010
9:08 am

While Tony Parker isn’t a great PG nor one that gets the publicity of even a Rose or Rondo or Stephen Curry, he is a very, very good PG and I think that he won the Finals MVP the last time the Spurs brought home the O’Brien trophy. I suspect that if didn’t spend the prime of his career in one of the league’s smallest markets… with one of the most “boring” superstars in league history (Tim Duncan), Parker wouldn’t be an after-thought when listing the NBA’s top PGs.

wordsmithtom

October 18th, 2010
9:08 am

Defence tonight. Would love to see Teague play. Too bad if he doesn’t.

Ayatollah,
Draft a guy at the deepest position on the team: at 23, you pick the best available player. Already we have Jo Crawford turning heads as a “steal”. We tried drafting to need…witness Shelhead. At the draft, remember, we didn’t KNOW the outcome of the JJ contract negotiation. So, we now have an asset with upside, something one does not always find in late rounds, and if he does develop we then have JC1 to trade for missing piece. I can make the case our backcourt was not our strongest area due to weak perimeter defence. Know what I mean, Vern???!!!

Bench is a llittle younger and show signs of toughness. Fat boy no longer fat.

Offence is no longer ISO….H/L posts featured in Q4 makes a big difference. Nothing to excite the national press, I know. Nothing to eliminate the pain of Orlando “brooming”.

We are BETTER than we ended the season. MW shows the benefits of this offence. JJ and MO should flourish with the movement.

Not a championship team, but hardly worse as some would opine.

i_am_soulstar

October 18th, 2010
9:09 am

vava74,

Man, I was saying this to several folks. Ridnour was such a key piece to their puzzle last year.

Michael Redd is quickly becoming synonymous with Tracy McGrady. Due to return in January, but with his history, it’ll probably be short-lived.

doc

October 18th, 2010
9:18 am

i am soulstar, i truly hope those two individuals come around. yes, they can make a difference. right now, they are only words from marvin. remember, he has yet to put two games together much less than a season. how long have we waited? as far as teague? he showed the depth of his competitiveness in the summer league by his early comments. he is too passive to replace bibby for long stretches. can what you say be true? yes, sadly, it is pie in the sky now. they will also have to increase their level of competitiveness to think they can carry us further into the post season, especially, when each possession has to be like the end of the game. i dont see that kind of game in them yet.

jj has been very pointed in his encouragement of those two guys to suggest how weak they are mentally and how worried he is in them. we will see how long he keeps it up with those two guys or whether he gets frustrated with them as we have, as fans. he knows he needs them on his team to grow. again, i hope you are right.

Reid Adair

October 18th, 2010
9:34 am

Why would anyone be surprised that it’s “more of the same”? The Hawks did nothing in free agency except give Joe Johnson a max contract. Despite their claims, repeated here by Michael Cunningham, they were through with any significant spending and did nothing else to improve the team.

Grandad

October 18th, 2010
9:36 am

We need a young [rotation] Big to develop.

Dallas is trying to move Ajinca.

This morning [Sund] is reading “HoopsHype”
*(per AJC article)
to see what is goin’ on around the league.

Yessir, Mr. Ayatollah,
“It was sunny yesterday. It’s sunny today.
It’s probably going to be sunny tomorrow.”

Fundamentals

October 18th, 2010
9:36 am

Tonight will show our resolve, our character, our confidence. We need 100% effort, win or lose to show Sund/ASG what our true needs are. No excuses, put up or shut up tonight. The Magic will be rolling in to teach us yet another lesson, and I’d bet they have complete embarrassment of the Hawks in mind.

TIME IS NOW HAWKS! BRING IT!!!!

cannibloggin

October 18th, 2010
9:36 am

Thanks for sharing your views Northcyde, I respect your knowledge and balance. I not sure I would rank the Hawks a 4th seed at this point. There are just too many glaring weaknesses and clear mediocrity in key positions. Weaknesses they done nothing to enhance, while Milwaukee and Chicago got better. I think it will be a dog fight for 4th – 6th seed and the hawks dont have the coaching or low post play to gain the upper hand. Barring injuries Ive got the hawks as 5th or 6th seed.

Show time is not far off.

Fundamentals

October 18th, 2010
9:38 am

I’m still on board with experimenting with Ajinca. Give Pape a French connection. Hopefully 2 French Diamonds in the rough.

cannibloggin

October 18th, 2010
9:38 am

*im not sure I would rank the hawks 4th seed

JeJe

October 18th, 2010
9:39 am

LOL @ people acting like the Orlando season was the demise of this team.

I GUESS PEOPLE FORGOT THAT WE GOT MURDERED BY CLEVELAND IN 2009. WHERE IS ALL THE METION OF THAT

AND WHY DID JOE JOHNSON NOT TAKE A PAYCUT

Fundamentals

October 18th, 2010
9:40 am

I hope that Drew doesn’t worry about his seed. We just need to be in the playoffs with everyone pushed to develop in time for the “real” season. Whether we lose to ORL or MIA or BOS in the 1st or 2nd round doesn’t matter. It’s still a failure. Getting the chance to meet them and potentially win is all we need. An opportunity to prove our “organic growth” is sufficient or whether it’s time to make major adjustments.

1-8 it doesn’t matter. All we need is a slot and an opportunity.

cannibloggin

October 18th, 2010
9:42 am

Fundamentals It preseason. This game means more to the hawks and not much to the Magics. Kinda of like a has been scrub getting psyched for Money Maywether who is only tuning up for the money fights. Believe me. Magics are not concerned about the hawks!

Fundamentals

October 18th, 2010
9:43 am

Classic JeJe – we’ll get our opportunity with the new CLE on Thursday.

If you were Joe, would you take a pay cut when you know for a fact ASG won’t be buying you any help anyways? Any cash left on the table would’ve been wasted. We’re not even in the luxury tax yet. Get us $20 million over the cap and we’ll talk about players needing to cut salaries. ASG has not proven they’ll do their part. I don’t fault Joe for taking the cash. He would’ve got it elsewhere.

cannibloggin

October 18th, 2010
9:43 am

JeJe This team just doesnt have the personnel to take it to the highest levels. You can only go so far with mediocrity.

Fundamentals

October 18th, 2010
9:47 am

Then why did they absolutely demoralize us last year in preseason? They care. Each and every game is real to them…a concept ATL and it’s fans have never understood. EVERY GAME MATTERS. Trust me, they’ll prove it yet again. Ask everyone else they’ve faced in preseason.

Funny how the preseason in the east is led by ORL, then Boston, then Cleveland, then Miami (injuries). I’m thinking it’s not just preseason to them. Get real!

doc

October 18th, 2010
9:49 am

word, i think some like me can honestly say this team may be better and have a worse record. that is not going forward, though an honest appraisal. it is seen as negative by some, lucid by others. what is apparent is that the decision makers are not being competitive and that begins to show in the post season where the soldiers are out flanked and become easy marks to be embarrassed and shot down. it isnt pretty when the white flag goes up as the warriors wait to fight another day rather than die in the field.

word, even though we drafted at a strength we did nothing to improve where we are weak in the off season. that is a flaw that has hurt us through the years. we got shels because we didnt want to spend money outside of that for lorenzen for a big, the big expenditure that year along with speedy that year which was throw away money. the big picture objective that year was to get two bigs able to play and a starting point guard for less than 10 mil a season. sorry, that isnt on the market but we passed on roy instead. think we couldnt have done a trade of jj for something big when we found out roy too was the real deal only cheaper or trade him for something knowing jj was less prone to health probs or just play them together and find a quick point to support them against certain point guards?

i like LD but the tires havent even hit the road yet to be sure of anything he can do to make a difference. he knows what not to do that woody did, does he really know what to do to change outcomes? no one has a frigging clue to this question. talk is cheap.

all ayatollah is saying is put the blame where it belongs, not on woody or bk or rick and LD. it is important to see it as it is.

Fundamentals

October 18th, 2010
9:56 am

Amen Doc, problem lies with ASG not getting us the $$ to compete with the “elite” teams, though the expect us to. It’s just impossible to be equal when they have $20 million+ more tools available.