Atlanta Hawks: Pistons 94, Hawks 85
Jordan Crawford had a good night. (KIRTHMON F. DOZIER/Detroit Free Press)
Auburn Hills, Mich.– Another tough one to judge as a whole because of all the missing players and L.D. giving liberal minutes to non-rotation guys.
– Turnovers were a problem again for the Hawks except this time they were more the function of getting in a hurry in transition rather than a lack of cohesion in the halfcourt. The Pistons scored 10 points off Atlanta’s nine turnovers in the first quarter.
– Here was one first-quarter sequence for J.J.: turnover, turnover, missed a rushed jumper on the break, turnover, turnover.
– But then the Hawks settled down in the second quarter and you could see some real offensive chemistry developing. They came back from 15 down to get within 55-52 at the half. Atlanta recorded nine assists on 11 field goals, turned it over just twice and was quicker and crisper than the Pistons.
– “We slowed down,” Josh said. “We have got to take our time. Everybody is not here, so for us to be in the ballgame with limited players, that is a plus for us.”
– The Hawks were particularly effective with the high-low post game between Al, Josh and J.J. Josh is a good passer, Al is nearly automatic when flashing to the free-throw line for a jumper and J.J. can post up most two guards or just shoot over them.
– Those three form a tough combination when they are in sync. “When it gets going and they get a real feel for one another, not just those three but other guys will profit from it as well,” L.D. said. “There was some encouraging things with the high-low. I can see the guys are starting to get a feel for it.”
– With Jamal and Teague back in Atlanta, JC2 (20 points, seven assists) logged a lot of minutes at point guard. He again showed off some good instincts: In the first quarter he found Evan Brock going backdoor for a dunk and had a nice drive-and-dish to Josh Powell, who had the ball stripped.
– There were a few times Crawford barked at teammates to give him the ball and get into position. “No matter if you are a rookie or not, at point guard have to be dominant and not back down,” Smoove said. “When you do that, guys will respect you. They might be like ‘What the hell are you doing?’ at first but then in the end you will get respect.”
–Crawford also did reasonably well with the tough task of chasing around Ben Gordon. The effort is there on defense if not always the awareness.
– Crawford did struggle a bit against ball pressure in the second half. “I thought he did a good job for the most part,” L.D. said. “Obviously he is not totally comfortable playing the point. I wanted to keep him in the fire and let him work through it.”
– Bibby didn’t fare well trying to get through screens to stay in front of Rodney Stuckey and Will Bynum. When that happened, the structure of the defense broke down and open shots weren’t t hard to find.
– I know it’s just the preseason but at this rate it’s hard to see how the Hawks can play good, straight-up D with Bibby playing major minutes. I would say it’s not a question of effort, positioning or even straight-line speed. He just can’t move laterally well enough to stay in front of ballhandlers and it puts his teammates in bad positions.
– Al was physical in the post against Ben Wallace and Greg Monroe, clearing space with his shoulder and dropping in baby hooks. Still haven’t seen too many of the counter moves he said he worked on this summer but that could be related to his balky ankle.
– Al sat the second half with soreness. He said he will play at Washington tomorrow.
– Smoove’s glove is a bit bulky. It clearly affected him on a few attempts at the rim and he said it’s tough to catch the ball: “I have got to get kind of used to it. It is still kind of tender. I have got to play because we have limited guys playing and I have to be able to give them some kind of minutes.”
– L.D. asked the players for a good effort despite the short roster. “I did get it,” he said. “I thought the guys did a great job with their energy. The thing that kind of handicapped us at the start was the turnovers. They could have easily folded their tents and called it quits for the night but they fought back.”
– I’m out, Hawks fans.
MC
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Astro Joe
October 12th, 2010
10:58 am
Drew is playing with fire by continuing to play Horford in these games. I understand his desire to get his starters some practical time running the new schemes against real competition, but if dude’s ankle is too sore to play in the second half, then it sounds like he shouldn’t be playing at all.
Meanwhile, the reason why “just playing straight up aggressive defense” isn’t always possible is because not each and every player has the ability to defend their ownman. That is why team defensive concepts were created. I’m not advocating for the previous switching defensive scheme, as much as suggesting that Connor needs to get started on a scheme that allows guys like Bibby AND Jamal to play on the court (maybe not at the same time). Or Sund better start making some trades quick and fast.
GeeMack
October 12th, 2010
10:58 am
sam’l
The 4-0 record Atlanta had against Boston is a deception. Boston’s the Eastern Conference Champs that got better on paper.
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
11:02 am
I’ll reserve comment on Bibby till I see him lacking movement myself. I do agree his role is mentor/coach more than player. That is if he cares more about our team and it’s developemnt than he does his own pride.
With that said it does seem like Teague and JC2 might could split the PG spot well this year and in years to come. That would alleviate the SG woes for us. JC1 and Joe could handle SG or Joe and Mo assuming JC1 gets dealt. I think SF duties can be split between Joe, Marvin and Smoove easily. Sy will just have to try to learn this year. Minutes will be similar to those for Rio.
I can live with the early injuries, I can live with the turnovers. We’re developing a new scheme, a new culture, a new team. Give them till Feb to really give them crap. Right now we just want consistent effort at practice and in games. It’s going to come together beautifully when the team gels.
Give LD time, good things seem to be developing nicely.
drmaryb (*_*)
October 12th, 2010
11:02 am
From Paul to the Wall!
Wacka Flocka Flame! If CP3 doesn’t get his bees-knees
together (and I hope he does), John Wall just might be the
heir apparent. Of course, Deron Williams may have a few
choice words on that!
And they said, Deron had a weight problem?
Heck No! His big booty looks just fine to me, it hasn’t
slowed him down one bit! Not a one!
doc
October 12th, 2010
11:03 am
najeh i am agreeing with you, this offense is going to be like going from woody hsyes three yards at a time to air coryell. the to’s have to go up. hopefully assists will go up as well at a higher rate along with some easier buckets closer to the basket. conceptually some fans will have a hard tome seeing this much less accept it.
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
11:04 am
Astro,
No defensive scheme is going to help Bibby and JC1 play effectively in a defensive sequence. Never has, never will. They’ve always been a liability, whatever team they were on. It’s not just an ATL issue. We brought them here for offense.
Section 303
October 12th, 2010
11:13 am
GeeMack, why is the 4-0 record against Boston a “deception”? That makes no sense. The Hawks beat them 4 straight times. Again, that’s 4 straight! Makes the wins hardly an accident.
Give the team some credit. God, two preseason losses and the chicken little’s are all running around.
The Truth
October 12th, 2010
11:16 am
“His big booty looks just fine to me, it hasn’t
slowed him down one bit! Not a one!”
drmaryb (*_*)
We are talking basketball, right?
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
11:19 am
Boston’s future will be dictated by their health. Our 4 wins were no fluke. Yeah, they had some injuries, but so did we. They couldn’t handle our focus, our tenacity or our youth. We match up well against the C’s. We’re still a very dangerous team to them today.
If the Heat or Boston have any injuries they’re done. The Magic are still our nemesis…till we step up like we did to the plate w/ Boston.
Where is ZaZa when we need him!
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
11:20 am
CP3 looks like he’ll have one painful season ahead.
Deron looks primed for one of his/their best.
Melvin
October 12th, 2010
11:20 am
drmaryb,
I like Wall alot too but I wouldnt rate him ahead of Rose as the next great PG just yet. The PG spot seem to be the most competitive position in the league right now. Rondo, Westbrook, Jennings, Parker, Nash, and Curry just to name a few. I don’t think Tyreke Evans will remain at the PG position for duration of his career.
Melvin
October 12th, 2010
11:23 am
I saw CP3 play some the other night. He seem to be moving pretty well considering the time he missed. However, Deron is the number 1 PG in the league, hands down.
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
11:25 am
CP3 may be healty, but the pain is in watching his team play terrible basketball the other night.
Amen to Deron being a great PG
KevinM
October 12th, 2010
11:44 am
I think Deron has some serious competition with DRose and Tyreke Evans.
Now that both of them have better post players, watch their numbers increase.
BTW, DW gets Al Jefferson in place of Boozer.
I just saw a stat re: who led their team in pts and assists in games:
LeBron – 58
Kobe – 27
DWade – 30+
DRose – 27
DWilliams – 27
That’s some impressive numbers. DRose is only getting better while I think DW is just about consistency.
Don’t ignore Russell Westbrook either; that team is high energy! And we think the Hawks like to play in the open court?
darrell starks
October 12th, 2010
11:48 am
MC WILL THE HAWKS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
October 12th, 2010
11:50 am
The hawks will loose 2 the heat every game by and avg of 20points a game.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
Astro Joe
October 12th, 2010
11:51 am
Of course, on this blog, a Hawk that leads the team in points and assists in a game would be villified. Because anyone who leads his team in points and assists is bound to miss shoots, commit turnovers and take a few bad shots. But we’ll admire players on other teams who do the same, as if they never commit a turnover, take a poor shot or dominate the ball.
drmaryb (*_*)
October 12th, 2010
11:51 am
Booty-Licious!
The Truth! Naw man, I’m talking Booty-Ball! -smiles-
Charles Barkley was on NBA TV this past play-off series and
he had CP3 as a guest. It came up that Charles had said,
He chose Deron as the better point guard league-wise over
CP3.
CP3 looked like he was about to cry, there was pain and hurt
in his eyes on National TV. He asked Charles, “Why?”
Charles looked him dead in his eyes, and said,
“Deron is a bigger guard and he has no injury issues.”
Deron is hands down the best PG – period!
It makes me sick to my stomach that we passed on both!
Mainly, Deron! It was a glaring Effin’ NEED and we chose
ARROGANCE!
That’s where – Style over Substance Effed’ the Hawks!
That’s why Billy Knight is still pruning trees for the -
“Real Atlanta Housewife”. BK had two shots to get it right and
blew it!
Dang! smdh!
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
12:06 pm
Astro Joe,
True, they’ll give him crap daily. It’s part of being the face of the franchise. Most of his issues that folks complain about were a byproduct of the lack of an offensive system. Jamal too would get stuck at the end of the clock as did Josh. Yeah, we complain that he shouldn’t take the shot, but in that situation, what could he do? He was trapped in the lack of an offensive system. He was tired from playing too much help D and he just wore down. Joe can’t do everything. Neither can LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Bosh, ect. They all need help from a real system and real role players.
The ISO, Pounding the Ball, ect argument is gone. We have a new system, a new sheriff in town. Yeah, we’ll still have some bad shots and probably plenty more turnovers, but hopefully we’re growing and gelling each day.
This team hasn’t peaked. Good things are yet to come.
drmaryb (*_*)
October 12th, 2010
12:06 pm
Proof Positive!
LeBron is NOT a ball hog!
He is reminiscent of a shoot first PG though.
Scary stuff, because now he has shooters and play-makers
to throw that thang’ to.
I’m shaking in my prada boots!
Sautee
October 12th, 2010
12:10 pm
Ramon,
What I’m having a hard time understanding is how you can put words in someone’s mouth that they NEVER said, and feel ok about it.
Man, you KNOW that Horford never said “We can’t win without me playing PF” but you won’t back down. This is YOUR INTERPRETATION of what he actually said, but you somehow think you’ll lose face by simply saying “Yeah, that’s my take on it”. None of the articles you referenced had anything about Al saying “we can’t win without me at PF”
NONE of them. So why are you running away from your statement?
Look, it’s fine with me that you view Horford differently than I do. Just don’t put words in his mouth that he never said. All you have to do is admit that what you posted was NOT verbatim what he said, and I”ll let it go.
Otherwise, expect me to be here when you post to remind you.
drmaryb (*_*)
October 12th, 2010
12:10 pm
Undeniable!
The So. Beach Boys are an undeniablet collection of Talents!
Say what you will, but they will gel too – just like us & the others.
Game On!
GeeMack
October 12th, 2010
12:13 pm
Section 303
Around here we always bring up the fact that the Hawks were 4-0 against Boston as a measuring stick.
However everyone fails to mention that KG didn’t play in 2 of those games and Wallace missed 1 as well.
Orlando was 3-1 against Boston in the regular season but got dominated in the playoffs. Clevland was 2-2 against Boston in the regular season and man handled in the playoffs too.
Boston has the one the thing the Hawks are missing and that mental toughness.
I love the fact that LD is making the leaders of the team more accountable and the grueling practices is preparing this team to have a better playoff run.
I still believe that Boston, Miami(Lebron’s team), & Orlando are all better teams and they got better by adding players and not depending on internal growth alone.
Hmmm
October 12th, 2010
12:31 pm
Astro, From looking at the recent higligts of the two preseason/summerleague games on NBA.com it looks like drew still has woodys defensive principles of “Corralling” the opponets as they enter the lane. The only difference is that there are not any “dumb switches” like Bibby on Bosh or Bibby on LeBron or Bibbly on Paul Perice. Most of the times the big’s will show and recover while the guards go under or over the screens. At least thats how it looked to me.
….only problem is, Bibby can’t make it past screen anymore lol.
Ken Strickland
October 12th, 2010
12:36 pm
MSDEE-your explanation of what you said and meant by comments made in an earlier post was an excellent clarification of those comments.
NAJEH-I totally agree you. If LDrew isn’t overly concerned at this point about our excessive turnovers, why should any of us be concerned. He obviously knew this would be an issue when learning the type of OFF, and earlier he actually stated it would be an issue. What can we expect, especially after 6yrs of utilizing an OFF philosophy that was the complete opposite of what he’s trying to accomplish.
I see some serious issues with Bibby. We all know his lack of foot speed, quickness, lateral movement and overall mobility has relegated him to being a DEF liability. Now we’re adding the motion OFF, which requires the same attributes he lacks when playing DEF, which so far has rendered him into total none factor.
Based on how much time LDrew is playing JoCrawford at PG, it appears he’s not going to count on Bibby as a primary backup. That decision is made easier by the fact the motion OFF doesn’t require a tradition PG, or traditional PG skills. I see us going primarily with a 3 guard rotation, JoCrawford, JJ & Teague, with Bibby seeing spot duty.
JaCrawford is making a big mistake. His misguided actions are making it much harder for him to get a contract extension and remain with the Hawks. His conditioning will surely be below that of his teammates, as well as his familiarity and experience in running the new OFF with both his new and old teammates.
It’s quite obvious LDrew intends to use the preseason to work on JoCrawford’s PG skills and getting him to settled down and play under control, while also improving his overall DEF. Since we won’t likely need the type of scoring that made JaCrawford 6th MOY, his absence, due to injury whether real or imagined, is helping LDrew make the JoCrawford transition much quicker, and the decision of JaCrawford much easier.
We’ve all noticed how effective the motion OFF has been when run properly and with patience. The number of assists to points is amazing. It’s going to take at least 15-20 regular season gms before the OFF becomes 2nd nature to the players. Until that happens, look for us to rely more high low posts options, ISO’s and fast breaks. Once the players have LDrews OFF down pat, we’ll see more and more of it, especially against the bigger, slower teams.
I see the Hawks jelling after the All Star break and become a serious factor down the stretch. I also see them doing what the Celtics did last yr, kicking butts and taking names going into the playoffs. I’m not saying we’ll reach the NBA finals like the Celtics did last yr, but if we don’t, the team that gets past us will certainly be good enough to take it all.
O'Brien
October 12th, 2010
12:45 pm
With Bibby not playing particularly well so far, it reinforces the fact that Rick Sund should not have given Bibby a third year guaranteed. It should have been a team option.
Although that was the same offseason he gave Marvin the 5 years $37.5 mil contract without letting him test the market.
Sautee, ,
I had the same discussion with Ramon about Al’s comments. I think what Al said was if the Hawks want to be contenders in the East, they need to bring in another big to help him and josh out.
But I dont recall Al saying he has to play PF for the Hawks to contend. I think Ramon is reading too much into his comments.
Astro Joe
October 12th, 2010
1:22 pm
If Bibby doesn’t start and Jamal doesn’t start and putting them in at the same time likely spells a defensive headache for Drew & Connor, then I don’t know how Drew will get those guys on the court. Even if Bibby plays the first 8 minutes of each half, I’m thinking that having one defensive liability on the floor at any one time is a far better way to go.
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
1:56 pm
If Bibby can’t move and defend I pray LD will do the right thing and bench him. He’s not even 35 yet and we’re talking about him like he’s 75?
Jamal Crawford’s achilles is his lack of willingness to play D. If he’d just come out and prove he’s reliable on D as well as agreeable to play the role LD asks he’ll rise from 6th man to a high priced commodity other teams will want. Sitting out and whining just makes him a malcontent that nobody really wants.
Jamal was dubbed “the Difference” because of his great nimbers when we needed Offense. Now we need a leader on both ends for our 2nd unit? If he becomes that, championship teams will want him. If not, he’ll continue to not fit into teams “future” plans.
It’s so easy Jamal?
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
2:02 pm
I don’t get the 400 post argument over Horford? Get over yourselves.
We do need low post help. We could benefit from having an “impact” center that would allow Horford time at PF meaning he’s good enough to play C for Al in crunch time or give Al, Smoove time to rest. As it stands if Al or Josh get in foul trouble we have no “impact” and thus Horford can’t be as aggressive as he might like on D.
With that said I vow to give Etan a chance to show his toughness down low, I want Powell to bring Laker mentality, the energy and rebounding, and I want to see Collins keep his physique and prove resigning him was a good thing. They can have “impact” on this team…but are they the “impact” Horford asked for. I would think he’d say no. Most Hawks fans would say no.
We’re dreaming of a young prospect who can develop on this team. Somone who can knock Howard on his butt and eat his lunch a time or two. We want someone to hold the paint and allow others to flourish. We need a new Tree Rollins or committed Deke.
Sautee
October 12th, 2010
2:10 pm
O’Brien,
Yes, I agree. All Ramon needs to do is just admit that his take on what Al said and Al’s actual words are two different things. I have NO problem with his interpretation as long as he is clear that it IS his interpretation (Ramon’s), and NOT Al’s verbatim statement.
It’s when he states that Al said X when Al never said X that I get bothered. And not because I disagree, but because the blog deserves clarity between our opinions and stated facts.
drmaryb (*_*)
October 12th, 2010
2:16 pm
The Light House!
Gee Mack! Mack-Daddy! Great reasoning an logic in that
stellar post up there.
Gee Mack also said:
“I still believe that Boston, Miami(Lebron’s team), & Orlando are all better teams and they got better by adding players and not depending on internal growth alone.”
However,those teams had no issues with paying luxury
taxes. Here’s my point:
The Hawks need to see the Big Picture as well and go get
Melo & LaLa in here to sell them tickets and put this team on
that Elite-Level!
These winning teams don’t do it with organic growth and
rookies – that takes way too long and the window closes
quickly in sports. I would give up a lot to get Melo in here
and a Bigger Man in thaþ post!
We play “Skurred” and we lose badly!
No more excuses! Re-do this damned team – already!
Ramon
October 12th, 2010
2:18 pm
O’Brien, if the Hawks added another PF to the team, do you think that would be the ‘impact big’ that Al is referring to?
drmaryb (*_*)
October 12th, 2010
2:29 pm
Ken Strickland
October 12th, 2010
12:36 pm
Absolutely fantastic post!
Worth re-reading that.
Get well Soon KenS.
BTW, I don’t think you sell all your assets in exchange for a
tent, generator and a camp fire. Not just yet!
If you do, how would you stay on top of the Hawks!
- smiles baby -
Fundamentals
October 12th, 2010
2:31 pm
We already have 2 All Star caliber players capable of playing PF. What would another do besides make Billy Knight cheer! Horford wants solid interior D and rebounding to help at C. That’s obvious.
Ramon
October 12th, 2010
2:36 pm
Sautee, if I say I live in zip code area 31220. END STATEMENT. I didn’t say that I live in GA, but I said I lived in 31220. But guess what, 31220 is GA. So I still said I live in GA without living in GA.
So if the Hawks already have 2 PF who get over 30 min. a game in the starting line up. When Horford says adding an impact big, how could the position not be Center he’s referring to? And when Horford says the word ‘contender’, does that not mean win more? Because right now, the Hawks only win 3-4 games in the PLAYOFFS where it counts.
ReddJonn68
October 12th, 2010
2:42 pm
If we are getting killed in the post by Ben Wallace & Greg Monroe ( a youngster who may be an all-star ) what does that tell you about our weak interior D-fense. Does anybody actually read the articles before they post ???
O'Brien
October 12th, 2010
2:47 pm
Ramon,
I think the impact big Al was referring to is another center.
Question for you. If we had signed Shaq, and split the minutes up this way:
Center – Al (24), Shaq (24)
PF – Josh (36), Al (12)
Under that scenario, didnt we get an impact big, with Josh still playing most of the PF minutes, and Al getting more minutes at PF as well?
So what’s wrong if that is the kind of scenario Al had in mind?
Ramon
October 12th, 2010
2:56 pm
@ O’Brien, I didn’t ever say anything was wrong with it. But as you said, Horford would be spend more time at the PF position. This all started from me posting that Horford said the Hawks can only win if he’s playing less time at center and more at PF. I was saying people act as if Horford is the perfect captain. When in fact somethings he says in the media could lead to chemistry problems in the locker room. You can’t have a captain saying that the roster you have isn’t good enough to ‘contend’.
S/N:
I’ve said countless time, in my mind getting better defensive minded players in the backcourt is a more pressing matter than adding another big right now.
The Truth
October 12th, 2010
2:58 pm
TALK IS CHEAP!!
As long as Bibby is in a Hawks uniform and in the game, LD cannot avoid a switching defense (entirely). It is being proven that Bibby cannot defend these young PGs straight up. LD needs to face the reality. It simply will not work. Last year, his defensive liabilities were purely physical. He just doesn’t have the lateral movement anymore. Woody’s apparent logic was either to switch and win some games or don’t switch and lose them all. This year, with the likelihood of Teague taking his starting job, Bibby’s slackness will be based on both his physical limitations and his new attitude. With a dejected Bibby falling from the ranks of a starting captain PG to an unusable scrub (possibly behind JC2), the only option for Bibby will be a feeling of total withdrawal. If you think he’s stinking it now; wait until after he gets demoted.
just SHOOT me
October 12th, 2010
3:38 pm
The Hawks can take all the time they need to gel. The fact remains the same we will still get bounced out of the first round of the playoff. If not, embarrased in the second round. There’s no other way around it. Don’t think for a second I don’t support the team.
I mean who goes to a Hawks game to see Joe Johnson? Seriously. Who? Well he is the highest paid player in the game. You’d think he’d draw some fans in. Maybe a few here and there. The whole situation just bothers me and I feel reluctant to pay money to support these jokers.
Just wait until the playoffs when JJohnson keeps turning the ball over, averages 12 points a game, shoots 25% from the field, plays no defense and walks up and down the court, then blames it on the Atlanta fans. Just wait. Damn it I hope I’m wrong but have a horrible feeling about it.
drmaryb (*_*)
October 12th, 2010
3:38 pm
Perception is Reality!
Five people can read one Bible verse and had five different
interpretations. One’s perception is one’s reality.
That is why we pray before reading The Holy Scriptures.
There is only One Truth that will only be revealed to
those who firmly seek it.
So fellas, shall we pray over Horford’s comments?
If we seek The Truth – It will set us Free!
-smile-
On a different serious note, we need help in the post dang it!
Did we get that? We shall soon see! I still say, go get
Dampieer in here, it surely can’t hurt!
Rod from College Park
October 12th, 2010
3:53 pm
@Ken Stickland,
“TRUTHSPITTER/ROD FROM CP-you 2 SPECIAL ED ALUMNI must really have high and unwarranted opinions of yourselves if you think any OPINION you post is without question an unequivocal TRUTH. THAT’S TOTAL BS PART ONE. To say JTeague cannot ever learn to play PG is about as arrogant, stupid and self serving a statement as one could imagine. THAT’S NOTHING BUT PURE WISHFUL THINKING ON YOUR PART.”
Special Ed Alumni? Wow, That’s very mature of you. Maybe comedy is in your future (LOL). I never said that I did not feel that Teauge could not play point. I said that I agree with a lot of things that truthspitter post. READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. Maybe if you wake up and get out of that fantasyland that you are living in, then you respond correctly when you feel that you are being attacked.
O'Brien
October 12th, 2010
4:32 pm
Ramon,
I will agree that as the captain, Al needs to be mindful of what he says, especially in the media. Some things are better kept in the office of the coach and the GM.
Sautee
October 12th, 2010
4:33 pm
Ramon,
You are totally missing my point. My argument is NOT whether or not Al should (or should not) play more minutes at PF. My beef with you is that you SAID that he “repeatedly said we couldn’t win without him at PF”.
That is not true. Al did NOT say that. Not even once. You are more worried about winning an argument that I’m not even addressing. What I’m addressing is your falsehood.
If you believe that is what Al MEANT from his quoted comments, I’m all fine with that. That’s your interpretation, and you have a right to make whatever conclusions you want, though I would argue that it’s an incorrect conclusion (which I have the right to do).
But for you to post that “he repeatedly said we can’t win without him at PF” is a flat out lie. Al NEVER said that. And until you can man up and admit as much, I’ll keep bringing it up.
Rev in Tampa
October 12th, 2010
4:42 pm
just SHOOT me, I hope to relieve some of your angst over paying to see the Hawks play.
First of all, JJ is not the highest played player in the game. Kobe, etc. get paid more than JJ. I believe others on this blog have figured out that JJ is about the 18th highest paid player – which is about where he is ranked for overall talent.
Secondly, JJ has not, nor will he ever, average 12 points a game in a season. Even in the last year of his contract I’m confident he will be averaging significantly more than 12 points a game.
As I re-read your post I realize you are speaking of JJ’s performance in the playoffs. Is he averaging only 12 points per game for his career in the playoffs. I am too lazy to look it up, but I doubt it.
Lastly, JJ did not blame anything on the Atlanta fans. He was taking personal responsibility for he and his team not playing. This has been stated over and over on this blog. If you choose to think differently then so be it, but expect to be corrected every time you express this opinion publicly on this blog.
Sautee
October 12th, 2010
4:50 pm
drmaryb,
I appreciate your effort, but Ramon’s “perception” is not a problem for me. If he “perceives” that Al is X, ok fine. But for him to SAY that Horford said words that he never said is akin to saying “Jesus repeatedly said we should all be prosperous” when of course, that would be blasphemy as Jesus actually said “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Now before anybody gets up in arms, I’m NOT accusing Ramon of blasphemy of any kind. I just want an admission that Horford never actually SAID what Ramon is stating.
Grandad
October 12th, 2010
4:53 pm
Motion Offense:
(1) To Samuel, it is not a gimmick offense.
(2) Motion offense is -not- preternaturally inclined to TO’s.
(3) As noted by nc -&- MC:
*In motion off there will be a high assist to basket ratio.
(4) LD is not running the “Princeton” in it’s purest form.
(5) He has put his own signature on it.
(6) Using Eddie Jordan as the capstone is a bad example:
* Brand and especially Dalembert were ill-suited.
* Ditto point guards.
(7) Hawks personel appears to be a fit. [versatile athletes]
(8) @ MC and others / it is not -complicated- but is -complex-
* It’s complex for the coach
* If LD is a good teacher then it will be simple for the players.
* The players just have to learn their reads then play basketball.
* The offense (like any off) will grow over time.
* The longer players are together the more effecient it becomes.
**[like a QB -&- his recievers]**
doc
October 12th, 2010
4:56 pm
sautee … Jesus actually said “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
durn guy you really are old
and are you really sure he said that?
BigTimeTECHFan
October 12th, 2010
4:57 pm
Is Speedy Claxton healthy and playing yet?
Creflo (Cahsflow) Dollar
October 12th, 2010
4:59 pm
Praise God! I’m feelin’ the Holy Spirit on this blog today!
Lord Bless Mike Bibby and his ineffective defense, it’s time for him to sit down next to the towel boys.
Amen!
Pulpit Pimpin!
*Cashflow out, chucks duces—> Ryan seacrest swagg*